1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Mike Davis the founder and president of the Article three Project, 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: where he is my colleague. I'm senior councilor. Mike joined 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: us later in the program for a wide range of 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: conversation about all things legal and digitial branch related, PAM BONDI, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Supreme Courts, and perhaps other issues as well. We will 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: get to all of that and more with Mike Davis 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: for now, I want to just set the tone though, 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: for the conversation that is surely to follow. Our organization, 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: which I mentioned. The Article three Project is named after 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: Article three of the Constitution. Article three is, as name 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: and apply, the third established prescribed article in the US Constitution. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: Article one establishes the Congress. Article two establishes the executive branch. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of folks to say that the three 15 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: branches are separate but equal. This is a term that 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: you might have heard. It's actually, at least when it's 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: phrased as such. It is derived from a very infamous 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: pren Court case Plus versus Fergus in a deeply racist 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: case that was overturned by Brown versus Board of Education. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: But some variant of that nomenclature that the branches are 21 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: different but co equal, tends to pervade throughout much of legal, political, 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: and indeed popular and civic culture. I have always objected 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: strongly to this notion that the three branches of the 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: feral government are indeed coequal. I have instead argued for 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: many years now that the three branches were actually written, 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: that they were actually codified by the Constitution's framers in 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: order of intended power, arguably, arguably, one might say, in 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: order of intended supremacy. Recall that the American founding was 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: in many ways it was novel, it was genuine. It 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: was this incredible, not just once generation, once a century, 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: once a millennium, heck, maybe even once in human history, 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: once in humanistry, just unique intellectual medley of all these 33 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: men from varying walks of life, who at all these 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: rich influences and traditions that they brought with them there. 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Some were deeply inspired, many, in fact, were deeply inspired 36 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: by the Bible by scripture. Some were deeply inspired by 37 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: the English common law. Some were inspired by the natural 38 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: au tradition, by the Roman law. Continentally, European philosophy, Greek philosophy, Aristotle. 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: But at a legal and literal basis, Let's not forget 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: that America really was downstream of England of the longstanding 41 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: English legal tradition. Now again, we broke with them in 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: many crucial ways, but we also adopted the English common 43 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: law at the time in the American founding, and today 44 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: the English common law is actually the law of the land, 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: as they say in forty nine of the fifty States, 46 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to things like torts and property law 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: and contract law. The common law is still binding in 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: state courts in every state other than Louisiana, which is 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: an exception an outlier. They inherited French legal theory and 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: confident European philosophy. That's neither here nor they ever present purposes. 51 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: The point is that, yes, America was in many ways 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: deeply unique, and in main ways it was deeply inspired 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: by England, by the common law, and England had a 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: system of parliamentary supremacy for a very long time. So 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: that is sitting there in the notion there in this 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: argument that argle one, the Congress United States was actually 57 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: intended main ways to be the most powerful branch. And 58 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: sure enough, the Framers, when they were at their best 59 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: actually went ahead and really just said it. James Madison, 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: for instance, one of the leading founders and the draftsmen 61 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: of many of the most influential and often quoted Federalist papers, 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: often says that in lowercase our Republican affairs. He wrote, 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: the legislature is often is apt to dominate, and dominate 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: they often did, perhaps less so after Woodrow Wilson and 65 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: the advent of the modern executive branch, but nonetheless, the 66 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: Congress was always intended to be the most powerful, and 67 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: in many ways, at least in theory, if Congress seeks 68 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: to exert its muscles and influence, could one day be 69 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: made great again and become the most powerful branch again, 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: if they so chose. They have not so chosen, at 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: least in over a century since the Woodrow Wilson presidency 72 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: in the World War One era and the rise of 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: the modern administrative state. Article three, which is the judiciary, 74 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: by contrast, is the least dangerous. Is the least dangerous 75 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: of the three branches of the Constitution? Article three. We 76 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: know that because, well, among other places, they actually say 77 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: it so. Alexander Hamilton, speaking of the Federal's papers, Hamilton 78 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: actually wrote He wrote in Federalists Number seventy eight that 79 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: the iciary is the least dangerous of the three branch 80 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: of the federal government because it has neither force nor will, 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: but merely judgment. It must depend upon the efficacy of 82 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: the executive branch even for the enforcement of its own 83 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: judgments or rulings. What he meant by that is that 84 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: a court can actually only issue an opinion, and it's 85 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: called an opinion because it's literally an opinion. It is 86 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the opinion of the court in all parties other than 87 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: the named parties to the suit. It is their opinion 88 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: that this should be the proper interpretation. But it's strictly speaking, 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: it's not actually binding for anyone other than the named 90 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: litigants to that lawsuit. The power to bind the name 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: parties to a suit is the judicial power of which 92 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Argle through the Constitution speaks. Abraham Lincoln, for instance, was 93 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: known and repeatedly publicly did interpret the Constitution in a 94 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: manner so as to give the other constitutional branches article 95 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: in the Congress and Arcle to the executive branch the 96 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: equal power to interpret and to enforce the Constitution as 97 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: appropriate within their own legitimate spheres of influence, which when 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: it comes to active case or controversies, would refer to 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: all cases other than ones involving the named litigants to 100 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: that lawsuit. So I've got a lot more to say 101 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: on this. I'm going to bring it home for some 102 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: contemporary affairs here when it comes to birthlright, citizenship, when 103 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: it comes to pan bonding. But for now, if it's 104 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: just a quick word from our sponsor, which today is 105 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: Angel Studios. You know, I recently joined the Angel Guild 106 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: it myself and I watched their amazing documentary Death of Recess. 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: I don't really know what to expect, honestly, but I 108 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: watched this and let me tell you, it was a really, 109 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: really powerful experience. 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So one thing 131 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: that we're don going to talk about with our guests 132 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: Mike Davis, is the ornament that happened at the US 133 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: Supreme Court just last Wednesday. So you have the Trump 134 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: versus Barbara litigation. This is litigation pertaining to the proper meaning, 135 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: which people like me would say means the original meaning, 136 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: the original public meaning of the decizenship cause of the 137 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: fourteenth Amendments, a clause that says that everyone who is 138 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: born here and is subject to the jurisdiction here is 139 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: a citizen of the state, and a citizen of the 140 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: United States and of the state wherein they reside. We've 141 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: done a deep dive legal analysis on the debate surrounding 142 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: what to specifically subject to the jurisdiction there of me, 143 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: and we're not necessarily going to rehash some of the 144 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: originalist arguments when it comes to the arguments that John 145 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Sowerd this listen you on the United States and Trump 146 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: instrations are making when it comes to their correct reading 147 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: of the Amendment. I think that Mic will be able 148 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: to do that as well. For now, I want to 149 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: just establish the following judges ought to be humble. Article 150 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: three must be humble. This is implicit in the notion 151 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: they are the least dangerous of the three branches. It's 152 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: implicit in the notion that their finest product is not 153 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: a law that's for Congress, or even an executive order 154 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: or a treatise on things that Article two, the executive 155 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: branch deals with no the foremost product of Hamilton's least 156 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: dangerous branch aka Article three is, as we said, an opinion. 157 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: They can do no more than fundamentally issue and opinion. 158 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: And when the Issian opinion, as we also said, it 159 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: only binds the parties to the suit. Now, when it 160 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: comes to this birthday saitions case, there are a lot 161 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: of folks saying that, oh goodness, gracious, the cord is 162 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: is bound by their previous decisions on this. They have 163 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: long decided this answer here. Well, no, they actually have not. 164 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: They actually didn't. In the eighteen ninety eight case Wan 165 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: kim Ark, the court only ruled they ruled incorrectly, But 166 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: the only ruled as to what the Fourth Amendment says 167 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: about the birth lisitionship for children of domiciles of permanent 168 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: residents people hear on green cards. They said, nothing of 169 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: people here on short term visas torus visa, student visa, 170 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: let alone illegal aliens. Nothing. They dropped a footnote in 171 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two case called Pliler versus Dough a non 172 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: binding footnote eighty four years later saying oh, yeah, that's 173 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: totally applied to the children of legal aliens to anchor babies, 174 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: except it doesn't. It didn't. It's an incorrect interpretation of 175 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: the law. And the proper, humble conception of Article three. 176 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Judicial power should be to recognize that where you did 177 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: not rule clearly and cleanly, you are not bound that 178 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: it is a clean slate, and that you can go ahead. 179 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Indeed you must go ahead. Indeed that oath you took 180 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: to the friendly Constitution, that oath requires you to go 181 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: ahead with the most authentic reading possible, the reading that 182 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: will bring the original public meaning and the original understanding 183 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: of the words that were ratified in the Amendment to Life. Unfortunately, 184 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why this is unlikely to happen 185 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: is because Republican Party judicial nominations politics have been self 186 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: defeating for decades and decades and decades. Many of the 187 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: worst juris of the past sixty seven years, people like 188 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: Harry Blackman, gave us Roe versus Wade, people like David 189 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: Souter infamously from George HW. Bush. Too many to count 190 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: have been given to us from Republican presidents. I have 191 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: spilled countless inc on this topic over the years and 192 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: spent countless hours talking about At some point, you would 193 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: like to think that Republicans would start to get a 194 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: little better when it comes to nominating judges and justices 195 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: who actually faithfully interpret the Constitution and not care about 196 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: other concerns about the politics, the optics, the Georgetown cocktail 197 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: party circuit, things like that. Unfortunately, based on what we 198 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: heard at Ornament last week, I fear that day is 199 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: not going to be today. So rejoining the program now 200 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: to help us unpack all of these authornity, legal and 201 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: judicial issues is none other than the Viceroy himself, that 202 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: is Mike Davis. Mike Davis is the founder and president 203 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: of the Article three Project, where he is my colleague. 204 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: Go ahead and check out our work at Article three 205 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: project dot org. So Mike, really appreciate you making time 206 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: on your business schedule as always to join the Josh 207 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: Hammer Show. There's a lot to impact when it comes 208 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: to the Parent Justice, when it comes to the Supreme Court, 209 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: when it comes to MI interm elections, the war and 210 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: irun and want to gain. I really want to get 211 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: into all of it, frankly with you, but let's start 212 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: with a top of mind legal issues. So this is 213 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: one week today, you and I are talking after the 214 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court oral argument in the birthright delationship case Trump 215 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: versus Barbara. Before I prejudice the conversation further, I kind 216 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: of want to just get your assessments as to how 217 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: the oral argument went. This is an issue that don 218 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: Ttrum cares a lot about. He's been very consistent, very passionate, 219 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: frankly on this issue, the notion of trying to limit 220 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: birth relationship when it comes to anchor babies, the children 221 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: of legal aliens. He cares a lot about this, as 222 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: he should. It's a very important issue there. What do 223 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: you make of the argument, how do you think it went, 224 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: and how do you think it's going to go. 225 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: This is a very simple legal case. 226 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 3: If the Supreme Court justices have the courage to follow 227 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: the plain text, textualism and the original public meaning originalism 228 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: of the Fourteenth Amendment, and they should rule for President 229 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: Trump if they actually follow the law. Unfortunately, Josh, as 230 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: we both know, there is this thing called politics. And 231 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: while these justices have lifetime tenure and they have paid 232 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 3: protection to insulate them from the politics, I don't think 233 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: that's going to happen in this particular case. 234 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: This case is so easy. 235 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: After the Civil War, we enacted the Thirteenth Amendment, to 236 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: outlaw slavery, the Fourteenth Amendment to provide due process and 237 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: equal protection to the freed slaves, and the fifteenth Amendment 238 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: to provide voting rights to the freed male slaves. That 239 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: was extended to all women with the nineteenth Amendment. As 240 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 3: part of the fourteenth Amendment, we had the dread Scott 241 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 3: decision after the Civil War, where the Supreme Court essentially 242 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: held that the children of the freed slaves are not 243 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: American citizens. And so the ratifiers, the proponents and ratifiers 244 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: of the Fourteenth Amendment, fixed that grave injustice with the 245 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: birthright Citizenship provision the clause of the fourteenth Amendment, And 246 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 3: what that clause says is that essentially that people both 247 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: born in the United States and subject to our jurisdiction 248 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: have birthright citizenship. And it's that latter part subject to 249 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: the jurisdiction of the United States, which is so critically important. 250 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: That means under Supreme Court precedent, that you have loyalty 251 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: to the United States. So if you are a Ford 252 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: ambassador's kid bard in the United States, you're born here, 253 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: so you would satisfy the first problem in the Fourteenth Amendment, 254 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: but you wouldn't satisfy subject to the jurisdiction of because 255 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: you're not loyal to the United States. So ambassador's kids 256 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. 257 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: Invading armies are not subjects to the jurisdiction of the 258 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: United States. 259 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: American Indians, as. 260 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: We both know, Josh, were not subjects to the jurisdiction 261 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: of the United States. 262 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: Congress had to change that through statue. 263 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: So ask this dispositive question of these people who auditioned 264 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: as texturalists and originalists to get onto the Supreme Court. 265 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: If American Indians do not have birthright citizenship under the 266 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: fourteenth Amendments, how the hell would illegal aliens, How the 267 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: hell would. 268 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: One point five million. 269 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: Chinese birth tourist kids have subjects would how would they 270 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: have birthright citizenship under the fourteenth Amendment to the United States? 271 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: And then answer is crystal clear, they don't, and they 272 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: don't if the justices simply follow the playing tax, the 273 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: original public meaning, and the one hundred and fifty years 274 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 3: of precedent since then. 275 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: Mike Davi Saka the Vice work can be followed on 276 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: x at mrd DMIA follow our work on the internet 277 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: as well at ARG three project dot Org. Mike is 278 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: the founder and president. I am senior counsel at that 279 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: wonderful organization. So, Mike, you know, I've been saying this 280 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: issue for a very long time, actually, and when I 281 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: when I first started looking at this, when I was 282 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: in law school, I thought it was a close call. 283 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: And as I started to read more and more into 284 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: my adult years, I guess, let's say, I became convinced, 285 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: like you, that this is actually not a particularly difficult 286 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: issue when you actually just look at what was happening 287 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: around the time of the Fourth Devendment's ratification. And you know, 288 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: one obvious way to indicate this is what you say, 289 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: which is that American Indians we know by definition they 290 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: were not included in the original language. For better or 291 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: for worse, that is a policy judge with that Congress 292 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: alone can make. But we know that they were not 293 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: included because Congress passed a statute during the Calvin Coolidge 294 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: presidency in nineteen twenty four, was at fifty six years 295 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: after the fourty Men was ratified, in order to extend 296 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: this birth right relationship to the children of American Indians. So, 297 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: to your point, how in the world could the children 298 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: of legal aliens, these anchor babies be included. It makes 299 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: no sense whatsoever. And I guess that all then takes 300 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: us to another point here, which is this is as 301 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: easy as ultimately I believe it is and you believe 302 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: it is. There what does it say about the states 303 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: of Republican judicial nominations that it looks like and we're 304 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: I think you and I broke predicting that this case 305 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: unfortunately going to come out on the wrong side here. 306 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been predicting for a long time. This 307 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: is likely a seven to two decision with Clarence Thomas 308 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: and Sam Alido. Hopefully it's better than that there. Again, 309 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: I hope I'm wrong very much if I'm wrong there. 310 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: But what does it say about how we've been doing 311 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: when it comes to judicial nominations that we just. 312 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 3: Need to burn down the judiciary and start from scratch 313 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: politically figured relatively not actually, But it's just it's it's 314 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: actually shameful if we have Republican appointed Supreme Court justices 315 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: who think they can hand out citizenship like they are 316 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: handing out candy. 317 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: At a circus. 318 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 3: It's just it's not how our sovereignty works in America. 319 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: Great in great Britain, sovereignty flows from God to the 320 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 3: king or queen, and then sovereignty is handed out like 321 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 3: crumbs to the king or Queen's subjects through documents like 322 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: the Magna Carta. In America, it is radically different. We 323 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: the people are the sovereign citizens of America. We're not subjects, right, 324 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 3: and sovereignty flows from God to we the people, as 325 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 3: the sovereign citizens of America, and we loan power to 326 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: our governments through a loan agreement called the US Constitution. 327 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 3: And for that US Constitution, we divide that power between 328 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: that we give specific, enumerated, limited power to the federal governments. 329 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: And then we divide that limited, specific enumerated power between Congress, 330 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 3: which rights the laws, the Executive which enforces the laws 331 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: in the federal judiciary, the Supreme Court in the lower 332 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: federal courts, which has a modest but crucial role, which 333 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: is to decide cases and controversies of the parties properly 334 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: before them with redressable claims, nothing more, nothing less. All 335 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: of their power belongs to the States and we the people, 336 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 3: as confirmed by the Tenth Amendment. If you look at 337 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: our immigration laws, that those are decided by Congress, and 338 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 3: our most crucial sovereign power, as we the people, is 339 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: to decide are populace, is to control our borders and 340 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 3: decide who comes and goes, who gets to be our 341 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: fellow citizens. We never gave away that most crucial sovereign power, 342 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: not at our founding and the enactment at the Fifth Amendment, 343 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: not after the Civil War with the enactment of the 344 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: Fourteenth Amendment, certainly not in any Congress since then. If 345 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: we the people want to give citizenship to one point 346 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: five million Chinese nationals who live in Beijing but happened 347 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: to be born in America through birth tourism, and we 348 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: want them to send in votes mail in votes from 349 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: Beijing for AOC in our next election, we can decide 350 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: to do that as we the people. We can give 351 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: them citizenship, just like we gave citizenship to American Indians 352 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty four. But nine justices on the Supreme 353 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: Court don't have that power, and we never gave them 354 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: that power. Certainly not after the Civil War, when we 355 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: gave birthright citizenship to the children of the freed slaves. 356 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: And no way, shape or form did we agree to 357 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: give away citizenship to illegal aliens to Chinese birth tourists, 358 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 3: to trend de Urragua, to Ms. 359 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 2: Thirteen. And if the justices think they. 360 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 3: Have that power, they are violating we the people's most 361 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: crucial shoal sovereign power to control our border in our populace. 362 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: It's unacceptable. It's a red line, and that's what I say. 363 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: If that happens, we should just burn down our whole system. 364 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 3: It's that is such a betrayal of our sovereign power 365 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: as we the people. 366 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: Look the decisionship Calusites of the Ford Amendment, as you've 367 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: already explained, was written for one purpose, which is to 368 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: overturn the dread Scott case. That was the entire purpose. 369 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: It was to confirm that black people born here at 370 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: the Civil War were, and indeed would be citizens of 371 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: the United States. The notion that it could extend to 372 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: the children of Trendiuragua, or the Hallisco cartel or Chinese 373 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: bird Torus is so preposterous that if it was ever 374 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: raised for consideration in eighteen sixty eight during the debates 375 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: of this amendment, Mike, I think you would have been 376 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: laughed out of the entire assat Chamber. But folks much 377 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: more to Calmia. On the other side of a quick 378 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: bunch of break Mike Davis rejoined us after a short breakdowns. 379 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with much more with the Viceroy. 380 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back, and Mike Davis aka the Viceroy joins us 381 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: again as well. Mike Davis is the founder and president 382 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: of the Article three Project, where I'm senior counselor who 383 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: can follow work at Article three project dot org. Follow 384 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: Mike on x at m R D D M. I 385 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: A Mike, I want to pick your brain a little 386 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: bit on another issue that's gone down over the past week, 387 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: which is the big shape up at the or the 388 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: shakeup I say, at the Department of Justice. So Pam 389 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: Bondy has has been let go. I was a defender 390 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: of Pam Bondi. I was a defender. I know that 391 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: you were a defender as well. I thought that she 392 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: got a lot of unnecessary criticism, frankly from a lot 393 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: of other commentators in the right of center space. I'm 394 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: not saying she was perfect. I agree that the Epstein files, 395 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: which frankly I think is something of a tertiary issue. 396 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a major dayDay concern, but it wasn't 397 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: the best handled portfolio in the world, but on the 398 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: actual bread and butter issues that matter from a DOJ perspective, 399 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to crime, when it comes to law 400 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: enforce and when it comes to defending the Trump minstrations, 401 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: legal arguments and courts and so forth. There, I thought 402 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy was actually doing a very good job. So 403 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm kind of just curious for your perspective. You're a 404 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: bit more of an insider. It's one of these things 405 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: perhaps than I am. There. Why do you think this happened? 406 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: And I guess I'll leave at that why this happened. 407 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 3: Look, I have said this very publicly. I am and 408 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 3: will continue to be one of Pam Bondi's biggest fans. 409 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: She is bold, she is fearless. She did more and 410 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: just over a year for Article two for the presidency 411 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 3: and the Constitution than all of her Republican male predecessors combined. 412 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: She fired the bad people, she hired good people. She 413 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: dropped the politicized cases, she brought the cases on accountability. 414 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 3: We are going to bear the fruits of Pam Bondi's 415 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: labor for many years to come. She won what was 416 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 3: it twenty four times on the emergency docket at the 417 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: Supreme Court of the United Slate States, where she has 418 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: monumental victories for the separation of Powers, for Article two, 419 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: for the presidency. I think she was unfairly parnished on Epstein. 420 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: She tried to do the right thing on Epstein and 421 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: get out the documents, but she couldn't because of the 422 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: Federal rules of evidence, the Federal rules of civil procedure. 423 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 3: It was a case of no good deed goes unpunished. 424 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 3: And the conservative podcasters who felt like they got burned 425 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 3: by that, they were just trying to destroy her career 426 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: after that because their little egos got bruised. They Pam 427 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: Bondie is one of the best attorneys general we've had 428 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: in our history. She got a lot done in just 429 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: over a year. And Todd blanche who is her acting 430 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: replacement right now. I'm a big fan of Todd's as well, 431 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: and he's going to stand on her shoulders and carry 432 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 3: on what Pam Bondi started under that under her Justice 433 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: Department during that first year. 434 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: So a lot of good things are coming out of 435 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: the Justice Department. 436 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: Look, Todd is fantastic, and I have no doubt that 437 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: he will be an excellent ag. I was personally just 438 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: a little caught off guard, frankly, when I heard that 439 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Pam Bondi had been fired. I guess I was a 440 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: little surprised that the Epstein crazies really just took it 441 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: quite this far and ultimately perhaps even got a pretty 442 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: pretty large scalp. The Epstein thing, to me, it's just 443 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: such a distraction. I'm not saying it's not important there. 444 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: There were horrific deeds done there. But the point is 445 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: that there are real things called statutes of limitations, and 446 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: there are real things called rules of evidence, and there 447 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: are real principles in law, like the notion that grand 448 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: jury testimony is just ninety nine point nine percent of 449 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: the time not going to be unsealed. There. So the 450 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: whole thing just played out in a slight of icular fashion. 451 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: I just go into your thoughts on one other thing. 452 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: The other source of speculation that I've heard beyond Epstein 453 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: was there were some folks saying that they were upsets 454 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: at the fact that Pam Bondy and Lindsay Halligan ultimately 455 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: we're not able to su success. Well, we prosecute Jim Comby 456 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: Indoor Tiss James. I don't personally buy this what it's worth. 457 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't buy that Trump was trying to take out 458 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: his frustration for the unsuccessful prosecutions, at least thus far 459 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: of Jim combeer Tis James, Do you buy that. Does 460 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: that make any sense at all that Trump would fire 461 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: her because of those reasons? 462 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: No? 463 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: And I if you look at what's happening in the 464 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 3: news reporting, we saw that Jason Redding Kinyones, my friend 465 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: who I recommended to be the US attorney down in 466 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 3: the Southern District of Florida. Fact, he just got confirmed 467 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 3: back in what was it August, he set up a 468 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: grand jury in Fort Pierce, Florida for January. We've seen 469 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: the news reports that over one hundred grand jury subpoenas 470 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 3: have gone out. Remember it took almost two years from 471 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: the marl Lago raid for the Biden Justice Department to 472 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: indict President Trump. 473 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 2: These cases take time. 474 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: But I promised people for the last almost four years. 475 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: Since the Borrow Lago raid, that I'm going to make 476 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: damn sure. 477 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: That these lawfare democrats are held accountable for the most 478 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: egregious crime in American history, where they politicized and weaponized 479 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 3: our intel agencies and law enforcement to go after Trump 480 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 3: as top aids, his allies, parents, Christians. I promise you 481 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: I will not rest until there are indictments and people 482 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 3: are held accountable, and I don't care what it takes. 483 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to do that over We have three more 484 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 3: years left in this administration, and I assure people this 485 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: that justice is coming because I will settle for nothing less. 486 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: And it certainly that's where I'm pushing for at Arcle 487 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: three project, which again you can check out at Article 488 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: three project dot org. Mike Davis is my colleague there 489 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: and also the founder president of that organization. 490 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: Mike. 491 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: One of the top deputy attorney general in the entire 492 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: DJ hierarchy is of course the US listener General, and 493 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: that that is John Saller, who argued this birth liciation 494 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: case at the Supreme Court last Wednesday. I think he's 495 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: a very effective oral advocate. He's actually on some people's 496 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: frankly short list when it comes to a possible Supreme 497 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: Court vacancy. 498 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: There. 499 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: I got to take us back just to the court 500 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: for a second. We've had some pretty high profile rulings 501 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: come out this term already, namely the Tariff's case, probably 502 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: the biggest. Also this big free speech a gay conversion 503 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: therapy case out of your adopted home state of Colorado, 504 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: which came out very much the right way eight to 505 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: one ruling. I mean, katanj. Bron Jackson. What can you 506 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: say about that? Just does a ludicrous soul descent coming 507 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: out against free speech. Any other big cases that you're 508 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: tracking that are still on the docket, there's a few 509 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: months left in the term. There's certainly this Voting Rights 510 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: ACTI ligation, anything else that you're tracking. 511 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: I think the most crucial case is the one we 512 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: discussed about birthright citizenship. The justices cannot get this wrong, 513 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: and I think an oral argument, it looked like they 514 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: were going to get this wrong. But I think we 515 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: can still rate the ship on this if they actually 516 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: dig into the briefs, if they actually look at the. 517 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: Briefs, if they actually dig in to the. 518 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 3: Debates surrounding the fourteenth amendments, if they look at the 519 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: subsequent legislation. There is only one easy right answer here, 520 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: and that is birthright citizenship does not go to illegal aliens. 521 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: It does not go to one point five million Chinese 522 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: birth tourists who have get they're born in America, they 523 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: go back to Beijing, they never step foot in America again, 524 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 3: and they can mail in their votes to elect AOC. 525 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: I don't think that's what the proponents of the fourteenth 526 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: Amendments had in minds, and I don't think the American 527 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 3: people agreed to that ever. So the birthright citizenship case 528 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: is case number one, two, three, four, and five. For me, 529 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: it's the most crucial case. 530 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: Fair enough, no, Lood, I mean it is an absolutely 531 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: important case. And at Don Trumps sign is the day 532 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: and Executive ORDERIC. He's been talking about this this issue 533 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: for a very very long time. Actually, you've been talking 534 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: about this in very consistent fashion for for a long time. 535 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: I guess there are two things to kind of saying 536 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: clothes you on this particular aspect of our conversation, because 537 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: Mike David's going to join us after every an up 538 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: come commercial break to wrap up our conversation all sorts 539 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: of other issues as well. But I guess I have 540 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: two final thoughts in closing here. Which is one and 541 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: you've actually emphasized both both these points. One is that 542 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: the argument that it's not constitutionally required to be stow 543 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: automatic birth clitizenship upon the children of those who are 544 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: here in a short term visa trust, visa and visa, 545 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: or perhaps even anchor babies if you want to argue 546 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: that there should be automaticitizenship for the children of anyone 547 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: physically on our soil. Heck, I mean maybe even ambassadorial 548 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: children there. If you want to make that argument there 549 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: in theory you can there There was a body for that, 550 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: It's called the Congress. I think the argument here that 551 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: John Soard that the General is making and that Mike 552 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: is making, that I've made on this show repeatedly. The 553 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: argument is not that we can't debate these topics. Actually, 554 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: the argument is that we should debate these topics before 555 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: the People's Chamber, before the Congress. There that it's not 556 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: required by the text of the other Ford Bend there. 557 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: So that I think is probably the single biggest arment. 558 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: The second thing that I'll make just in closing this 559 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: part of the conversation as well, is that the fact 560 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: is even considered as close a call as it is Mike. 561 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: As you know, I've been reading boy this for so 562 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 1: many years now. It's part of this rot within conservative 563 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: legal culture where they tend to overly intellectualize and make 564 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: things out to be a little harder than they are. 565 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: Try to spread a few break comes. Oh, we're not 566 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: such big bad racists here, We're not anti homosexual or 567 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: anti transgender to anti this there, it's garbage. Frankly, the 568 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: law is clear on this. Let's see ultimately if they 569 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: do the right thing. Folks here with this is through 570 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: one final commercial break. Mike Davis aka the Viceroy joined 571 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: us on the other side. After this short commercial break, 572 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: welcome back, and Mike Davis joins us again as well. 573 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: And Mike is the founder president of the Article three Project, 574 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: where I'm senior counsel. You can follow our work at 575 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: Article three project dot org. Mike, I want to switch 576 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: gears a little bit here. We're talking a lot a 577 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: lot of lass. Gotus doj for the first part of 578 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: our conversation there, Well, I spend our main time talking 579 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: about some other issues. So epic theory. The war against 580 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: the Rannie regime is now is now over a month, 581 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people out there who 582 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: are starting to panic, who I think are looking at 583 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: the approval disprop pose. Now I'll saying the fact that 584 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: the polls actually are a mixed bag frankly actually saw 585 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: one poll just on Monday that saw that epic theory 586 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: was actually pulling in a net positive direction for the 587 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: country as a whole. But don tromp to his tremendous credit, 588 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: I would argue, is showing no signs whatsoever of wavering 589 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: on this particular mission. Look, you are a friend, obviously, 590 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: but you're also a man whose voice and word I 591 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: think it carries clouts in all sorts of maga circles 592 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: of various stripes. What would your message be to those 593 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: folks who are deeply panicking about this, whether from a 594 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: political perspective over possible from a long boots on the 595 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: ground quag my perspective. 596 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 2: I would say that I worked for President George W. 597 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: Bush, and I've been one of President Donald Trump's biggest supporters. 598 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 2: They're not the same people, they are different people. 599 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: President Trump knows that Iran has been at war with 600 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: the United States for over forty seven years. Iran has kidnapped, 601 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: held hostage, tortured, murdered thousands of Americans. They've caused problems 602 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: for the oil supply chain going through the straight of 603 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: war moves. They're constantly attacking our bases. They're constantly attacking 604 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 3: our troops. They're constantly exporting their terrorism to America. And 605 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: this is very much in America's national security interest to destroy. 606 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 2: This terrorist state. 607 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: And you can do it in a way where we're 608 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: not going to try to do democracy building in Iran 609 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 3: like we saw George W. Bush try to do democracy 610 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 3: building in Iraq or Afghanistan. President Trump is very smart, 611 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 3: he's very strategic, he's very tactical. He plays real politics. 612 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: He doesn't have an idealistic foreign policy. He knows the 613 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 3: art of the deal. He knows how to win, and 614 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 3: he's always going to put America first. And so I 615 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 3: would say to the people who are worried about this 616 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 3: Iran war, number one, maybe stop taking cutter money. And 617 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,760 Speaker 3: number two, let's have more faith in President Donald Trump. 618 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: He knows what the hell he's doing. 619 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: You know, this argument that people say that Iran is 620 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: not our problem just absolutely baffles me. I mean, these 621 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: people have been chanting death to America for forty seven years. 622 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: They're very act Mike. Their very first act when the 623 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: revolution started in nineteen seventy nine was to run to 624 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: the United States embassy, you know, not to the embassy 625 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: of Israel from other the countries they ran to the 626 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: US embassy. I was their very first act was to 627 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: commence a four hundred and forty four day hostage crisis. 628 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: A hostage crisis, by the way, where there's old clips 629 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: that have recently resurfaced of Donald Trump just blasting Jimmy 630 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: Carter into the stratus furo for that and saying, why 631 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: is Jimmy Carter not sending in the US military to 632 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: solve this, to nip this in the bud, to end 633 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: this terrorist cancer. He's literally been more consistent on this, 634 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: I said in my seatback speech a couple of weeks ago, 635 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: over the years than any issue under the sun, I think, 636 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: other than tariffs themselves, which where he's obviously been very 637 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: assistant going back a very long time there. So I'm 638 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: just totally baffled by the folks that say that, oh, 639 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: it is Donald Trump reneging on his campaign promises he 640 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: said no new forever wars there. That's certainly not how 641 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: I view I think this is actually a remarkable act 642 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,479 Speaker 1: of principal devotion and consistency. I assume that you probably 643 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: see it the same way asn't. 644 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to say that President Trump is going 645 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 3: to go down among one of the most consequential, one 646 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 3: of the best presidents in American history. I think he's 647 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 3: already sealed his place at the top because he has 648 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: done monumental things to secure our border, to protect our sovereignty, 649 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: and to protect our national security, and to ensure our 650 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 3: long term prosperity. He's made tough decisions that bring him 651 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 3: a lot of heat from many different quarters, but he's 652 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 3: doing what he thinks is right for the United States, 653 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 3: for the American people. History is going to be very 654 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: good to President Trump. Maybe not in the next Tanner 655 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 3: twenty years, but long term, I think President Trump is 656 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,240 Speaker 3: going to go down as the most consequential, best president 657 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 3: in American history. 658 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: Mike Davis again folks as the founder president of Article 659 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: through Project follo him on x at Mr Dmia. Mike's 660 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: left in a conversation, So I want to then take 661 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: it home here to domestic politics and the midterms. I 662 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: mentioned the price of energy. There are a lot of 663 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: folks who definitely are worried about the increase thus far. 664 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: It could definitely come down to be clear of the 665 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: price and energy. There this whole narrative of an affordability 666 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 1: crisis has really sunk it in. I'm not downplaying it, obviously. 667 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: I understand two thirds of Americans love paycheck to paycheck. 668 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: I am not downplaying this in the slightest whatsoever. There 669 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: the economy could always, always, always be better. But we 670 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: also have had some comments in the show who've explained 671 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: that a lot of this is really just the lingering 672 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: effects of the buying Harris regime there, so kind of 673 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: taking it home and projecting, now, we're now not that 674 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: far out. I mean, what are wet We're about seven 675 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: months issh away from the midterm elections this November. There, 676 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: what should the administration be doing on a day in, 677 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: day out basis in order to try to maximize the 678 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: returns that will get here when it comes to voters 679 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: turning out to vote for Republican Sys November. 680 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 3: President Trump has already brought down prices across the board 681 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 3: for real Americans and real America people who are living 682 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 3: paycheck to paycheck. My people, people like in Flyover Country 683 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,720 Speaker 3: in Iowa, who have real jobs in the real world. 684 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 3: And he's going to continue to do that. He's fighting 685 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 3: for real Americans in real America every day. Frankly, It's 686 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 3: why the coastal elite hate him because he's not willing 687 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: to sell out real Americans in real America to help 688 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,359 Speaker 3: the coastal elite. So there's still a lot that needs 689 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 3: to be done, and we can't downplay the fact that 690 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 3: prices are still too high. It's the lingering effect of 691 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 3: Biden inflation. When Biden drove up the intentionally drove up 692 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 3: the cost of American energy to make us more dependence 693 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 3: on foreign energy. 694 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 2: And so President Trump is fighting every. 695 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 3: Day to make America more affordable for real Americans in 696 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 3: real America. And there's still a lot of work to 697 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: be done. But you have to understand that if you 698 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 3: vote for Democrats in this next election, if you give 699 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 3: them the House and the Senate, it's going to be 700 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 3: much more difficult to make America affordable because Democrats are 701 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 3: doing everything they can every day to drive up the 702 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 3: cost of American energy, and that's the driving force on inflation. 703 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: What about immigration, i'llt folks say that the politics of immigration, 704 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: especially after the Minnesota operations, are starting to turn against Republicans, 705 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: whereas they say that immigration was a winning issue in 706 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, which it was. I don't personally might 707 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: really buy this argument. I don't think that immigration has 708 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 1: suddenly become a losing issue from a winning issue overnight. 709 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: There. 710 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: What do you think about the politics of immigration as 711 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: a head person the member. 712 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 3: Well, I want Democrats to go out there and defend 713 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 3: trend Dea Ragua an MS thirteen terrorists who are kidnapping, raping. 714 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 2: Torturing and murdering Americans. 715 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 3: I want the Democrats to defend Islamist and Chinese birth 716 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 3: tourists who are coming to the United States and breeding 717 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 3: like rabbits, and so they can vote for Democrats like 718 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 3: AOC and future elections. The look I think, I would 719 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: say to Republicans, double down on immigration because the swing voters, 720 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: the people who actually decide elections, don't want Islamist MS 721 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 3: thirteen and Trende I Ragua raping and murdering their daughters. 722 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 1: I think that is an eminently reasonable point. And again 723 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: this is ultimately why Trump is a big reason frankly 724 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: why won twenty twenty four. I mean, of course, Kalma 725 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 1: Harris was a world historical terrible candidate, and the Biden 726 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: Harris policies and the track record was world historically terrible. 727 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: But immigration was a massively, massily winning issue. For Donald 728 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: Trump in twenty twenty four, and there are a lot 729 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: of pannikins, if I can use that word. I think 730 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: we're looking at some of these headlines of Renee Good 731 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis and things like that saying, oh my god, 732 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: we have to stop enforced immigration law, and I just 733 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: don't buy it. I do not buy it for a 734 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: second there. I like what you said, frankly about trying 735 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: to make Democrats defend the in defense ball when it 736 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: comes to this massive invasion of terrorists and narco terrorists 737 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: and criminals and all of the above. One full time folks, 738 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: Mike Davis is the Viceroy is also the founder and 739 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: president of the Argle three project. You follow him on 740 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: x at Mr d m I a follow our work 741 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,879 Speaker 1: at arcle threeproject dot org. Mike really appreciate it, my friend. 742 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: Thanks as always, Thank you, Josh folks, hope you enjoyed 743 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: that conversation. You know, we subscribe to our show, The 744 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: Josh Hammers Show on YouTube or if we get your 745 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: podcast to make sure you get more content. Have a 746 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: great rest of evening. Joshammers signing off for now, but 747 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: we will be of course right back as always tomorrow,