1 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:23,246 Speaker 1: Hi, friend. I'm so glad you're here today. Let's learn 2 00:00:23,306 --> 00:00:26,906 Speaker 1: how to raise our kids to love God, respect authority, 3 00:00:27,206 --> 00:00:31,076 Speaker 1: and do what's right. Let's scroll less and live more. 4 00:00:31,456 --> 00:00:39,806 Speaker 1: I'm Arlene Pelican, and this is The Happy Home. Okay, 5 00:00:39,826 --> 00:00:42,156 Speaker 1: you guys, it just keeps getting better and better on 6 00:00:42,176 --> 00:00:44,656 Speaker 1: the Happy Home Podcast. We now are going to be 7 00:00:44,676 --> 00:00:48,046 Speaker 1: able to close the circle, Luke Smallbone, because I've had 8 00:00:48,066 --> 00:00:51,666 Speaker 1: your sister, Rebecca St. James, on. Then I had your brother, Joel, 9 00:00:51,926 --> 00:00:54,936 Speaker 1: about your unsung hero movie. And then I was able 10 00:00:54,956 --> 00:00:58,066 Speaker 1: to have your wife, the precious Courtney, about time to 11 00:00:58,106 --> 00:01:01,286 Speaker 1: color woman. And now, finally, I've got to have you. 12 00:01:01,386 --> 00:01:03,986 Speaker 1: So this, to me, this is like the super quad 13 00:01:04,426 --> 00:01:05,526 Speaker 1: spin place. 14 00:01:05,626 --> 00:01:09,185 Speaker 2: Oh, you are so, so sweet. Well, you've already had 15 00:01:09,226 --> 00:01:12,965 Speaker 2: the best. Yeah. So you're going to finish here. All right. 16 00:01:13,026 --> 00:01:15,536 Speaker 1: It's a circle. It's a circle of equals. So I'm 17 00:01:15,546 --> 00:01:17,375 Speaker 1: going to bring you back in time, and it's going 18 00:01:17,396 --> 00:01:20,236 Speaker 1: to tie into your new movie, Drummer Boy. So for 19 00:01:20,276 --> 00:01:22,096 Speaker 1: those of you on YouTube, I am showing Luke a 20 00:01:22,136 --> 00:01:23,256 Speaker 1: photograph of Luke. 21 00:01:23,356 --> 00:01:23,696 Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness. 22 00:01:24,426 --> 00:01:27,045 Speaker 1: And my daughter, Noelle, and my other daughter, Lucy, this 23 00:01:27,125 --> 00:01:31,395 Speaker 1: is eight years ago. And they interviewed Luke for this 24 00:01:31,476 --> 00:01:34,596 Speaker 1: magazine for Girls Like You. We got to come backstage 25 00:01:34,715 --> 00:01:37,755 Speaker 1: and do this interview. And on the photograph, they wrote, 26 00:01:37,856 --> 00:01:42,965 Speaker 1: it's just the cutest thing, 2018, September, for King & Country, Irvine, 27 00:01:43,106 --> 00:01:46,806 Speaker 1: which is where it was from. But it was spelled Irvine, U-R-V-I-N-E, 28 00:01:46,825 --> 00:01:48,446 Speaker 1: which I love. It's with an I. But it sounds 29 00:01:48,486 --> 00:01:53,176 Speaker 1: like Irvine. Yeah. But at this stage in your life, Luke, 2018, 30 00:01:53,176 --> 00:01:56,696 Speaker 1: eight years ago, you were just dreaming of making a 31 00:01:56,756 --> 00:02:00,736 Speaker 1: movie about like, how can we use this drummer boy 32 00:02:00,776 --> 00:02:01,576 Speaker 1: thing in a movie? 33 00:02:01,676 --> 00:02:01,876 Speaker 2: Yeah. 34 00:02:02,416 --> 00:02:05,976 Speaker 1: And here we are eight years later on the podcast 35 00:02:06,596 --> 00:02:10,276 Speaker 1: with this movie released into the wide world drummer boy. 36 00:02:10,306 --> 00:02:13,745 Speaker 1: I want to hear just a little glimpse of this 37 00:02:13,866 --> 00:02:16,146 Speaker 1: eight year process and what that feels like seeing it 38 00:02:16,306 --> 00:02:18,206 Speaker 1: on the big screen for you. Yeah. 39 00:02:18,226 --> 00:02:21,215 Speaker 2: Well, look, that's, crazy. I love that you brought that, that, 40 00:02:21,226 --> 00:02:24,996 Speaker 2: that makes it feel very human. And, uh, you know, 41 00:02:25,016 --> 00:02:26,796 Speaker 2: I don't know how old your daughters are now. 42 00:02:26,816 --> 00:02:30,115 Speaker 1: She's 20 now. She was 12, 12 when she interviewed 43 00:02:30,136 --> 00:02:31,346 Speaker 1: you and 20 now. 44 00:02:31,946 --> 00:02:33,666 Speaker 2: Look at what eight years does, right? 45 00:02:33,726 --> 00:02:37,126 Speaker 3: You know, if you were to rewind all the way back, right, 46 00:02:37,365 --> 00:02:39,806 Speaker 3: all the way back, which is 2012, which was when we, uh, 47 00:02:40,246 --> 00:02:43,326 Speaker 3: came up with the rendition of drummer boy. And guys, 48 00:02:43,476 --> 00:02:46,495 Speaker 3: if I could be so honest, we literally picked the 49 00:02:46,536 --> 00:02:47,156 Speaker 3: song because it. 50 00:02:47,175 --> 00:02:50,256 Speaker 2: Had the name drummer in it. And we're like, well, 51 00:02:50,276 --> 00:02:51,076 Speaker 2: we like drums. 52 00:02:51,115 --> 00:02:54,376 Speaker 3: So we'll do drummer boy, you know? And I didn't know, 53 00:02:54,395 --> 00:02:58,066 Speaker 3: I didn't know the story. I hadn't seen the movie, nothing. Just, 54 00:02:58,186 --> 00:03:00,425 Speaker 3: just literally were like drummer boy knew of the song. 55 00:03:01,145 --> 00:03:03,986 Speaker 3: And to be honest, it wasn't until I had sung 56 00:03:04,026 --> 00:03:06,106 Speaker 3: the lyrics in a studio where I was reading the 57 00:03:06,145 --> 00:03:10,386 Speaker 3: lyrics that I realized that This song is written about 58 00:03:10,425 --> 00:03:13,886 Speaker 3: a little boy who doesn't have anything else, but he 59 00:03:13,925 --> 00:03:16,586 Speaker 3: has this gift of being able to play drums. And 60 00:03:16,606 --> 00:03:18,895 Speaker 3: he wants to go play it for Jesus. And I 61 00:03:18,925 --> 00:03:20,766 Speaker 3: remember actually in the studio kind of getting a little 62 00:03:20,816 --> 00:03:24,296 Speaker 3: emotional as I realized. 63 00:03:23,856 --> 00:03:24,736 Speaker 2: The power of that. 64 00:03:24,776 --> 00:03:26,976 Speaker 3: Because to be totally honest, and people may look at 65 00:03:26,996 --> 00:03:28,196 Speaker 3: what we do and they may have all sorts of 66 00:03:28,236 --> 00:03:30,335 Speaker 3: different opinions, but I actually feel like the little drummer boy. 67 00:03:30,356 --> 00:03:32,916 Speaker 3: And it's not because I'm the greatest drummer. I'm actually 68 00:03:32,936 --> 00:03:33,595 Speaker 3: not a very good drummer. 69 00:03:34,055 --> 00:03:35,276 Speaker 2: It's just I just feel like this. 70 00:03:35,886 --> 00:03:38,086 Speaker 3: You know, from when I was a very young boy, 71 00:03:38,106 --> 00:03:39,886 Speaker 3: I would write in my journals, you know, God, I 72 00:03:39,926 --> 00:03:42,086 Speaker 3: don't even know what I'm good at. I don't even 73 00:03:42,146 --> 00:03:44,826 Speaker 3: know what I can do. I don't know what life 74 00:03:44,866 --> 00:03:47,786 Speaker 3: has for me. But I do want you to know 75 00:03:47,826 --> 00:03:50,306 Speaker 3: that you can have all of it. And most of 76 00:03:50,366 --> 00:03:53,386 Speaker 3: my life has been some level of a wild goose 77 00:03:53,426 --> 00:03:57,386 Speaker 3: chase of just doing the next thing. right thing as 78 00:03:57,446 --> 00:03:59,856 Speaker 3: frozen says frozen to uh the next right thing it 79 00:03:59,876 --> 00:04:02,976 Speaker 3: just and and and here we are having conversations about 80 00:04:03,576 --> 00:04:07,176 Speaker 3: a a a movie that was a song and obviously 81 00:04:07,226 --> 00:04:10,346 Speaker 3: the the concept of drummer boy in 2018 you know, 82 00:04:10,386 --> 00:04:12,166 Speaker 3: if you had told me that this was the journey 83 00:04:12,186 --> 00:04:13,586 Speaker 3: that we would go on, I would be like, well, 84 00:04:13,606 --> 00:04:15,706 Speaker 3: if we haven't made it, but you know, within four 85 00:04:15,726 --> 00:04:17,716 Speaker 3: or five years, this film's never going to be made. 86 00:04:18,316 --> 00:04:20,076 Speaker 3: And here we are on the precipice of it being 87 00:04:20,096 --> 00:04:24,296 Speaker 3: released November the sixth, uh, you know, it's probably pretty 88 00:04:24,316 --> 00:04:24,776 Speaker 3: much everything. 89 00:04:24,796 --> 00:04:27,496 Speaker 2: I feel like everything that I've worked on. 90 00:04:27,776 --> 00:04:31,416 Speaker 3: Professionally is probably is culminating to this point. And so 91 00:04:31,446 --> 00:04:32,766 Speaker 3: what a, what a privilege it is for it to 92 00:04:32,806 --> 00:04:34,126 Speaker 3: actually be here and be in existence. 93 00:04:34,696 --> 00:04:36,426 Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about the film in a moment. 94 00:04:36,456 --> 00:04:38,716 Speaker 1: But I think what you just said lands for so 95 00:04:38,736 --> 00:04:42,135 Speaker 1: many parents because we'll think, wow, you're Luke Smallbone. You're 96 00:04:42,516 --> 00:04:45,775 Speaker 1: half a freaking country. Like you've kind of made it. 97 00:04:46,336 --> 00:04:48,476 Speaker 1: But in our minds as parents, right, we think, wow, 98 00:04:48,516 --> 00:04:50,036 Speaker 1: if we could grow up and our kid would be 99 00:04:50,076 --> 00:04:52,396 Speaker 1: like Luke Smallbone, wow. But here you are and you're 100 00:04:52,416 --> 00:04:55,236 Speaker 1: just offering the whole time. Lord, I'm not even sure 101 00:04:55,255 --> 00:04:56,796 Speaker 1: what I'm good at, but I offer it to you. 102 00:04:56,815 --> 00:04:58,856 Speaker 1: And it's like, wait, our kids can do that. 103 00:05:01,236 --> 00:05:02,896 Speaker 2: I still kind of feel like that kid. 104 00:05:03,276 --> 00:05:05,635 Speaker 3: You know, I mean that genuinely. Like, you know, I've 105 00:05:05,676 --> 00:05:09,075 Speaker 3: learned to, I've learned to sing. And guys, I would 106 00:05:09,116 --> 00:05:12,116 Speaker 3: say I sung in the shower growing up. And then 107 00:05:12,176 --> 00:05:13,705 Speaker 3: obviously I got to a point where I could sing 108 00:05:13,736 --> 00:05:16,385 Speaker 3: a little bit for the church. But like, there's better 109 00:05:16,445 --> 00:05:19,806 Speaker 3: singers than me. There's better songwriters than me. There's better 110 00:05:19,846 --> 00:05:23,065 Speaker 3: movie makers than me. Like you, everywhere you go, there's better. 111 00:05:23,926 --> 00:05:26,226 Speaker 3: But yet I just feel like a lot of, you know, 112 00:05:26,266 --> 00:05:27,725 Speaker 3: one of the things I love about reading in the Bible. 113 00:05:28,236 --> 00:05:29,936 Speaker 3: I prayed a few years ago, like, Lord, will you 114 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:33,206 Speaker 3: give me such a hunger for the Bible? Because I 115 00:05:33,266 --> 00:05:36,206 Speaker 3: knew that I was misunderstanding so many things. And so 116 00:05:36,246 --> 00:05:39,006 Speaker 3: because of when you misunderstand something, something is actually boring. 117 00:05:39,306 --> 00:05:42,526 Speaker 3: It's like handing a book, an adult book to a child. 118 00:05:42,546 --> 00:05:44,786 Speaker 3: They can only read and understand so much. 119 00:05:44,806 --> 00:05:45,296 Speaker 2: So what do they do? 120 00:05:45,336 --> 00:05:47,766 Speaker 3: They never want to read the adult book. Well, I 121 00:05:47,786 --> 00:05:50,426 Speaker 3: was in some cases asking God, like, make me an adult. 122 00:05:50,886 --> 00:05:53,286 Speaker 3: Make me understand some of the things that are going 123 00:05:53,326 --> 00:05:55,506 Speaker 3: on here. And what's funny is, is when you read 124 00:05:55,526 --> 00:05:58,056 Speaker 3: in the Bible, pretty much all of the people that 125 00:05:58,076 --> 00:06:01,695 Speaker 3: God used to do something were pretty screwed up. We're 126 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:04,776 Speaker 3: not the most talented. And yet you kind of watch 127 00:06:04,815 --> 00:06:05,916 Speaker 3: him show off a little bit. 128 00:06:06,195 --> 00:06:07,436 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 129 00:06:07,496 --> 00:06:09,765 Speaker 3: It's always just given me great comfort for me in 130 00:06:09,826 --> 00:06:12,866 Speaker 3: life because yeah, I was just still, I still, you know, uh, 131 00:06:12,886 --> 00:06:15,926 Speaker 3: we'll have this film come out, there'll be speeches, there'll 132 00:06:15,945 --> 00:06:19,006 Speaker 3: be talks and there's still this like, Oh boy, I 133 00:06:19,106 --> 00:06:21,006 Speaker 3: don't know if I'm capable of doing these things. 134 00:06:21,326 --> 00:06:21,806 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 135 00:06:22,166 --> 00:06:25,646 Speaker 1: Totally. And then that's the beauty of dependence. Like, Oh yeah, 136 00:06:25,686 --> 00:06:27,786 Speaker 1: I can't do this on my own. Like, God, I 137 00:06:27,826 --> 00:06:29,786 Speaker 1: got to depend on you. You got me in this spot. 138 00:06:29,866 --> 00:06:32,606 Speaker 1: You're going to, you're going to work through me. You know, 139 00:06:32,626 --> 00:06:34,906 Speaker 1: during that interview that my daughter Noel did eight years 140 00:06:34,945 --> 00:06:37,436 Speaker 1: ago when she was 12, she asked you, If you 141 00:06:37,456 --> 00:06:40,656 Speaker 1: dreamt of being a singer and you had told her, no, 142 00:06:40,695 --> 00:06:42,815 Speaker 1: not really. I wanted to be an athlete. But then 143 00:06:42,836 --> 00:06:45,336 Speaker 1: this tour and ACL thing happened. And then your brother 144 00:06:45,376 --> 00:06:47,155 Speaker 1: Joel is like, hey, you want to make some demos? 145 00:06:47,556 --> 00:06:50,056 Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, and see where that brought you. 146 00:06:50,616 --> 00:06:53,536 Speaker 1: But at five years old, you had forgotten. But your 147 00:06:53,596 --> 00:06:54,275 Speaker 1: mom said. 148 00:06:54,296 --> 00:06:55,135 Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? 149 00:06:55,315 --> 00:06:57,135 Speaker 1: You know, she asked you, what do you want to 150 00:06:57,156 --> 00:06:58,936 Speaker 1: be when you grow up? And you said, I want 151 00:06:58,956 --> 00:07:00,296 Speaker 1: to play drums and be a singer. 152 00:07:00,315 --> 00:07:00,736 Speaker 2: Yeah. 153 00:07:01,376 --> 00:07:02,286 Speaker 1: It's like amazing. 154 00:07:02,296 --> 00:07:06,465 Speaker 3: You know, it almost brings tears to my eyes because. 155 00:07:07,126 --> 00:07:10,226 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny how you forget, you know, in 156 00:07:10,266 --> 00:07:13,086 Speaker 3: the grand scheme of the things that God is orchestrating 157 00:07:13,106 --> 00:07:16,206 Speaker 3: and doing, we don't have the privilege of seeing the 158 00:07:16,246 --> 00:07:19,346 Speaker 3: big picture and we're better off because of that. But 159 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:22,266 Speaker 3: something all of those years ago was inside of me 160 00:07:22,286 --> 00:07:25,276 Speaker 3: that I didn't, I wasn't, you know, brave enough to articulate. 161 00:07:25,396 --> 00:07:29,076 Speaker 2: I did an interview, um, when I was probably 12 162 00:07:29,076 --> 00:07:29,796 Speaker 2: or 10 or 11. 163 00:07:29,716 --> 00:07:32,476 Speaker 3: Or somewhere in there when we were helping our sister 164 00:07:32,516 --> 00:07:36,286 Speaker 3: do a bunch of, um, crew stuff and that breakaway magazine. 165 00:07:36,306 --> 00:07:39,095 Speaker 2: And I don't remember if you know that. I remember that. 166 00:07:39,176 --> 00:07:42,636 Speaker 3: We did, we did this interview with them and he 167 00:07:42,796 --> 00:07:45,496 Speaker 3: asked me, uh, Mike Yorkey. I still, we're still friends 168 00:07:45,536 --> 00:07:49,776 Speaker 3: with the guy who wrote the article. And he said, well, Luke, 169 00:07:49,796 --> 00:07:51,416 Speaker 3: when you get older, you know, what do you think 170 00:07:51,456 --> 00:07:54,456 Speaker 3: you're going to be? And I had forgotten my five-year-old comment. 171 00:07:54,896 --> 00:07:56,976 Speaker 3: I wasn't even a good enough athlete to dream up 172 00:07:56,996 --> 00:07:58,676 Speaker 3: the idea of maybe wanting to be an athlete. 173 00:07:58,976 --> 00:07:59,586 Speaker 2: I was in the middle. 174 00:07:59,886 --> 00:08:01,186 Speaker 3: I was caught in the middle. There's a lot of 175 00:08:01,206 --> 00:08:02,806 Speaker 3: people that get stuck in the middle. but you're not 176 00:08:02,866 --> 00:08:04,026 Speaker 3: quite one place or another. 177 00:08:04,046 --> 00:08:04,686 Speaker 2: You're just in the middle. 178 00:08:05,186 --> 00:08:07,386 Speaker 3: And I said, one, this is my answer. It's the most, 179 00:08:07,426 --> 00:08:11,066 Speaker 3: that's the worst answer ever. I said, I could see 180 00:08:11,146 --> 00:08:13,846 Speaker 3: myself one day being in an office. 181 00:08:14,306 --> 00:08:16,306 Speaker 1: No, you did not. 182 00:08:16,826 --> 00:08:22,366 Speaker 2: What does that even mean? I don't even know. That's hilarious. 183 00:08:22,456 --> 00:08:23,636 Speaker 1: And you are now in an office. 184 00:08:23,796 --> 00:08:26,076 Speaker 2: I'm now in an office. So I guess I was, 185 00:08:26,096 --> 00:08:29,176 Speaker 2: I was, I'm quite the prophet. I'm quite the prophet. 186 00:08:30,016 --> 00:08:32,836 Speaker 1: Well, not only are you in an office, your movie, 187 00:08:32,896 --> 00:08:39,606 Speaker 1: Drummer Boy, is Angel Studios' first theatrical musical. So that's 188 00:08:39,686 --> 00:08:43,186 Speaker 1: kind of a cool first to have. There's a line 189 00:08:43,206 --> 00:08:46,126 Speaker 1: in the movie where it's like, fight for your king 190 00:08:46,186 --> 00:08:48,306 Speaker 1: and country, right? And I mean, were you guys like 191 00:08:48,346 --> 00:08:50,866 Speaker 1: grinning from ear to ear when you were filming this 192 00:08:50,926 --> 00:08:52,626 Speaker 1: fight for king and country bit? 193 00:08:53,306 --> 00:08:56,146 Speaker 2: Well, we had the privilege of riding it, right? So 194 00:08:56,186 --> 00:08:57,066 Speaker 2: we knew what we were doing. 195 00:08:57,086 --> 00:08:57,746 Speaker 1: That's right. 196 00:08:58,666 --> 00:09:00,926 Speaker 3: But part of the reason why we put it in 197 00:09:00,946 --> 00:09:04,046 Speaker 3: there is because, you know, the reason why we're named 198 00:09:04,066 --> 00:09:07,436 Speaker 3: for King and Country is because, you know, back in 199 00:09:07,456 --> 00:09:09,236 Speaker 3: the day, that's what the British used to chant before 200 00:09:09,256 --> 00:09:11,916 Speaker 3: going into battle, right? But for King and Country, it 201 00:09:11,936 --> 00:09:14,496 Speaker 3: was fascinating because it's kind of a mission statement for us. 202 00:09:14,536 --> 00:09:16,036 Speaker 3: You know, the reason why we do what we do 203 00:09:16,476 --> 00:09:17,016 Speaker 3: is we do. 204 00:09:16,916 --> 00:09:17,746 Speaker 2: Music for King. 205 00:09:17,786 --> 00:09:20,366 Speaker 3: We do movies for King and for country, for people. 206 00:09:20,856 --> 00:09:22,676 Speaker 3: And so every time that we're kind of introduced as 207 00:09:22,716 --> 00:09:24,786 Speaker 3: Fakir and Country, it's a little bit of a mission statement. 208 00:09:24,826 --> 00:09:28,186 Speaker 3: It really showcases the reason why we're doing, you know, 209 00:09:28,446 --> 00:09:31,746 Speaker 3: what we're doing, you know. And so, yeah, I mean, 210 00:09:31,866 --> 00:09:33,806 Speaker 3: it's good to have fun along the way, right? So 211 00:09:33,826 --> 00:09:35,326 Speaker 3: that's one that we got to have a little fun with. 212 00:09:35,806 --> 00:09:38,616 Speaker 1: It is a lot of fun. And when my daughter 213 00:09:38,666 --> 00:09:40,876 Speaker 1: interviewed you, you guys had talked about how hard it 214 00:09:40,916 --> 00:09:43,356 Speaker 1: was coming up with a name that you were like, 215 00:09:43,516 --> 00:09:46,956 Speaker 1: Joel and Luke, but that doesn't really work how hard 216 00:09:46,996 --> 00:09:50,696 Speaker 1: it was. So you have your Stan Lee little cameo 217 00:09:50,736 --> 00:09:53,976 Speaker 1: moment in the movie, right? And I saw you once. 218 00:09:54,076 --> 00:09:55,416 Speaker 1: Is that right? That you were only once? 219 00:09:55,866 --> 00:09:56,566 Speaker 2: Yep. Just once. 220 00:09:56,606 --> 00:09:59,956 Speaker 1: Yep. So friends, when you see this movie, just know 221 00:10:00,116 --> 00:10:02,196 Speaker 1: there will be this moment where you will see Luke 222 00:10:02,236 --> 00:10:04,896 Speaker 1: on screen and it will really make you smile because 223 00:10:04,936 --> 00:10:05,356 Speaker 1: you'll be. 224 00:10:05,316 --> 00:10:09,116 Speaker 2: Like, this is his big moment. Yeah. I realized very quickly, 225 00:10:09,276 --> 00:10:11,906 Speaker 2: like I'm this massive presence in there. Like as much 226 00:10:11,946 --> 00:10:13,726 Speaker 2: as I wanted to like be in with everybody else 227 00:10:13,746 --> 00:10:15,926 Speaker 2: and no one could see me, it's like, you just 228 00:10:15,966 --> 00:10:17,486 Speaker 2: kind of see it and you can't. 229 00:10:17,306 --> 00:10:19,516 Speaker 3: Forget it because I look very, I mean, think about this. 230 00:10:19,576 --> 00:10:23,356 Speaker 3: In the revolution, George Washington was a giant at 6'3. 231 00:10:23,756 --> 00:10:26,116 Speaker 3: I'm taller than George Washington. So when I come up 232 00:10:26,196 --> 00:10:28,156 Speaker 3: on the screen, there's like, who's this bozo? 233 00:10:28,176 --> 00:10:31,536 Speaker 2: What's he doing? But... I did get seven words. That's 234 00:10:31,576 --> 00:10:33,226 Speaker 2: my line. I have seven words. 235 00:10:33,446 --> 00:10:34,286 Speaker 1: It's big. 236 00:10:34,486 --> 00:10:36,466 Speaker 3: And I was looking up the other day, you know, 237 00:10:36,526 --> 00:10:38,266 Speaker 3: what does it require? How many words do you have 238 00:10:38,306 --> 00:10:42,446 Speaker 3: to say to, to win an Oscar? And you know, there's, there's, 239 00:10:42,686 --> 00:10:45,426 Speaker 3: there's no limit. There's no limit. So I could never 240 00:10:45,506 --> 00:10:46,926 Speaker 3: say a word and I could be, you know, be 241 00:10:46,966 --> 00:10:49,606 Speaker 3: up for the best supporting actor. 242 00:10:51,496 --> 00:10:56,266 Speaker 1: So you're doing the music for this movie. when your family, like, 243 00:10:56,306 --> 00:10:58,946 Speaker 1: was your whole family there at that screening? Just kind 244 00:10:58,986 --> 00:11:01,626 Speaker 1: of give us that little glimpse of when you see 245 00:11:01,686 --> 00:11:05,806 Speaker 1: this music on the big screen, what's going through your mind. Yeah. 246 00:11:06,886 --> 00:11:08,686 Speaker 3: You know, I might be the wrong person to answer 247 00:11:08,706 --> 00:11:10,486 Speaker 3: some of these questions because I. 248 00:11:10,766 --> 00:11:12,646 Speaker 1: No, it's your mind. So it's not anybody else's mind. 249 00:11:12,706 --> 00:11:13,906 Speaker 1: It's your mind. You're the right person. 250 00:11:14,166 --> 00:11:16,106 Speaker 2: I see it very analytically. Yeah. 251 00:11:16,226 --> 00:11:19,626 Speaker 3: And so sometimes it's very difficult for me to separate 252 00:11:19,686 --> 00:11:22,546 Speaker 3: myself from any art, if that makes sense. 253 00:11:22,656 --> 00:11:23,016 Speaker 2: I just. 254 00:11:23,806 --> 00:11:25,246 Speaker 3: People ask me all the time, what music do you 255 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:26,726 Speaker 3: listen to? And I'm like, I don't have a great 256 00:11:26,786 --> 00:11:30,536 Speaker 3: answer for that. Because it's what the kids are listening to. 257 00:11:30,566 --> 00:11:33,726 Speaker 3: It's what Courtney's listening to. But I don't listen to music. 258 00:11:34,006 --> 00:11:35,186 Speaker 3: And this is going to sound very sad. I don't 259 00:11:35,206 --> 00:11:40,216 Speaker 3: listen to music for comfort necessarily. And nowadays when I 260 00:11:40,256 --> 00:11:42,496 Speaker 3: listen to music, I listen to it as a scientist. 261 00:11:42,576 --> 00:11:45,476 Speaker 3: I listen to what they're doing. I listen to why 262 00:11:45,516 --> 00:11:48,156 Speaker 3: it moves them. And so I'm fascinated with it. And 263 00:11:48,196 --> 00:11:50,536 Speaker 3: I can't get away from it. So anyway, when I 264 00:11:50,536 --> 00:11:55,876 Speaker 3: first see... the musical numbers being played, you know, I'm 265 00:11:55,936 --> 00:11:58,796 Speaker 3: sitting there thinking, yeah, did I get, you know, did 266 00:11:58,816 --> 00:12:01,876 Speaker 3: we get the actors seeing it with the right amount 267 00:12:01,936 --> 00:12:03,146 Speaker 3: of conviction? 268 00:12:03,196 --> 00:12:04,686 Speaker 2: You know, did we get the, you know, did we 269 00:12:04,726 --> 00:12:07,226 Speaker 2: get the things? And so, You know, the premiere is 270 00:12:07,286 --> 00:12:08,046 Speaker 2: coming up. Right. 271 00:12:08,166 --> 00:12:09,726 Speaker 3: And so maybe that will be the point where I 272 00:12:09,726 --> 00:12:12,236 Speaker 3: can just sit back. But, you know, you dream of 273 00:12:12,276 --> 00:12:12,916 Speaker 3: these moments. 274 00:12:13,156 --> 00:12:13,376 Speaker 1: Yeah. 275 00:12:13,516 --> 00:12:16,296 Speaker 2: But some cases you're counteracting your dreams with a reality. 276 00:12:16,616 --> 00:12:19,576 Speaker 2: That's right. They're different. Right. So now you've got the 277 00:12:19,596 --> 00:12:20,616 Speaker 2: reality that it is. 278 00:12:20,816 --> 00:12:22,516 Speaker 3: And then, you know, you have something else that you're 279 00:12:22,536 --> 00:12:24,796 Speaker 3: like one day. And so I'll never forget when we 280 00:12:24,836 --> 00:12:26,606 Speaker 3: finally got the green light for the film. My wife 281 00:12:26,626 --> 00:12:28,905 Speaker 3: was like, how does it feel? And I was like, well, 282 00:12:28,926 --> 00:12:30,966 Speaker 3: in some cases it's strange because we're just getting going now. 283 00:12:31,666 --> 00:12:32,486 Speaker 3: And she's like, no, no, no. 284 00:12:32,526 --> 00:12:34,526 Speaker 2: But you've already, you know, you've kind of done it 285 00:12:34,586 --> 00:12:36,906 Speaker 2: because you've written all the songs. And I look at 286 00:12:36,926 --> 00:12:38,826 Speaker 2: it in the other way. It's like, well, if we 287 00:12:38,846 --> 00:12:40,936 Speaker 2: never got the green light, nobody would have ever heard 288 00:12:40,976 --> 00:12:44,116 Speaker 2: these songs. That wouldn't be no process. So in some cases, 289 00:12:44,156 --> 00:12:46,676 Speaker 2: we're just getting going, you know, so, you know, it's very, 290 00:12:46,816 --> 00:12:48,596 Speaker 2: it's very satisfying, obviously. 291 00:12:48,636 --> 00:12:52,016 Speaker 3: When you have something that you've dreamt, you know, this is, yeah, 292 00:12:52,036 --> 00:12:54,876 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, it's eight years in the making, right? 293 00:12:54,976 --> 00:12:58,136 Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of, you know, I think 294 00:12:58,206 --> 00:13:00,596 Speaker 3: I've had, you know, close to, you know, two or 295 00:13:00,616 --> 00:13:01,796 Speaker 3: three children in that time. 296 00:13:01,836 --> 00:13:02,636 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 297 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:05,996 Speaker 3: It's a long period of time to be able to 298 00:13:06,036 --> 00:13:07,816 Speaker 3: be working on a film, but to see it here, 299 00:13:07,896 --> 00:13:09,976 Speaker 3: to be able to hear people sing along to the songs, 300 00:13:10,256 --> 00:13:13,396 Speaker 3: for it to move people, to affect people, to change people, 301 00:13:13,896 --> 00:13:16,036 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what art is in heaven, 302 00:13:16,436 --> 00:13:18,496 Speaker 3: but what I do know is music is definitely there 303 00:13:18,876 --> 00:13:22,226 Speaker 3: because music has the ability to wake somebody up in 304 00:13:22,266 --> 00:13:24,186 Speaker 3: the morning who doesn't want to wake up, to be 305 00:13:24,226 --> 00:13:26,796 Speaker 3: able to Spur somebody on on a run when they 306 00:13:26,836 --> 00:13:29,976 Speaker 3: want to give up. Who, when they're depressed, gives them 307 00:13:30,296 --> 00:13:32,806 Speaker 3: a little bit of a glimpse of joy. Like, I 308 00:13:32,826 --> 00:13:35,346 Speaker 3: don't really know anything else that is as potent and 309 00:13:35,366 --> 00:13:39,506 Speaker 3: as powerful as music in someone's life. And so to 310 00:13:39,586 --> 00:13:42,346 Speaker 3: see some of these songs come to life and is 311 00:13:42,846 --> 00:13:44,746 Speaker 3: a real thrill. I hope I never really lose that, 312 00:13:44,866 --> 00:13:46,466 Speaker 3: you know, even though I do listen to it as 313 00:13:46,496 --> 00:13:47,436 Speaker 3: a scientist at times. 314 00:13:47,476 --> 00:13:48,876 Speaker 2: I don't want to lose the joy of it. 315 00:13:48,896 --> 00:13:51,536 Speaker 1: The joy, the joyful scientist. That is you. 316 00:13:51,556 --> 00:13:52,836 Speaker 2: I hope so. 317 00:13:53,486 --> 00:13:55,516 Speaker 1: Oh, my word. And it's so true. I mean, that 318 00:13:55,616 --> 00:13:58,656 Speaker 1: is God's gift to us in music. And this movie 319 00:13:59,456 --> 00:14:04,316 Speaker 1: is so good. The acting, like Benjamin Lucas Leach as Benjamin, 320 00:14:04,656 --> 00:14:08,256 Speaker 1: India Brown as Emmeline, of course, your brother, you know. 321 00:14:09,976 --> 00:14:12,586 Speaker 1: Did you get like a little chuckle at the very beginning, 322 00:14:12,706 --> 00:14:15,266 Speaker 1: being like, there is my brother, all dressed up in 323 00:14:15,306 --> 00:14:18,186 Speaker 1: his garb, singing. Like, was there any kind of feel 324 00:14:18,226 --> 00:14:20,566 Speaker 1: like that for you? No. 325 00:14:21,086 --> 00:14:24,516 Speaker 2: No. I think he's around here somewhere, so I've got 326 00:14:24,536 --> 00:14:25,356 Speaker 2: to be careful what I say. 327 00:14:25,416 --> 00:14:25,876 Speaker 1: Exactly. 328 00:14:26,316 --> 00:14:30,266 Speaker 2: You know, there's always this, I hope you got this, man. 329 00:14:30,286 --> 00:14:35,086 Speaker 2: Which he did. You better not screw this up. He 330 00:14:35,106 --> 00:14:36,106 Speaker 2: did do it. 331 00:14:36,146 --> 00:14:39,046 Speaker 3: Because so much of it is built on these things. 332 00:14:39,106 --> 00:14:41,126 Speaker 2: And, you know, Joel always likes to take on a lot, right? 333 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:44,626 Speaker 2: Because he's the co-director, and we wrote all the songs together, 334 00:14:44,646 --> 00:14:46,766 Speaker 2: and he's acting in it as well. And there does 335 00:14:46,786 --> 00:14:50,346 Speaker 2: come a point where you're like, hey, man, like, we're 336 00:14:50,416 --> 00:14:53,986 Speaker 2: pretty sure that Everybody else knows how to do this, but, like, 337 00:14:54,126 --> 00:14:56,096 Speaker 2: you better be able to pull this off, you know, 338 00:14:56,136 --> 00:14:57,446 Speaker 2: because it's built around it. 339 00:14:57,476 --> 00:15:00,596 Speaker 3: So, no, man, I actually feel that it's his– of 340 00:15:00,636 --> 00:15:03,676 Speaker 3: all the films that I've seen him do, I forget 341 00:15:03,716 --> 00:15:05,016 Speaker 3: that he's my brother sometimes. 342 00:15:05,076 --> 00:15:05,736 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. 343 00:15:05,756 --> 00:15:07,646 Speaker 2: And that means he's doing a good job. 344 00:15:07,836 --> 00:15:08,386 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. 345 00:15:08,486 --> 00:15:10,606 Speaker 2: And there's– you know, even in Unsung Hero, sometimes I 346 00:15:10,646 --> 00:15:13,666 Speaker 2: still felt it. Yeah. And then in Priceless, I could 347 00:15:13,726 --> 00:15:16,166 Speaker 2: very much feel it. I didn't really feel it this time. 348 00:15:16,186 --> 00:15:19,366 Speaker 3: I didn't feel– You know, the trick with acting is 349 00:15:19,406 --> 00:15:21,806 Speaker 3: you're acting, but the idea is for people never to 350 00:15:21,866 --> 00:15:22,776 Speaker 3: feel like you're acting. 351 00:15:23,136 --> 00:15:23,326 Speaker 2: Yeah. 352 00:15:23,636 --> 00:15:26,416 Speaker 3: And I felt like he was getting closer to that, 353 00:15:26,556 --> 00:15:30,016 Speaker 3: this film that I've ever known him to, which was fantastic. 354 00:15:30,036 --> 00:15:31,156 Speaker 2: I think he did a really, really good job. 355 00:15:31,176 --> 00:15:33,316 Speaker 1: He really did. He did a really good job. And 356 00:15:33,356 --> 00:15:35,436 Speaker 1: it's the kind of movie the next day you'll wake 357 00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:39,536 Speaker 1: up and you're still thinking about it, which is, that's 358 00:15:39,576 --> 00:15:42,096 Speaker 1: a good movie that you're still thinking. And it's beautiful. 359 00:15:42,236 --> 00:15:45,976 Speaker 1: Like your brother, Ben, my word, he is like a movie... 360 00:15:46,386 --> 00:15:48,486 Speaker 1: I mean, he's amazing at what he does. What was 361 00:15:48,506 --> 00:15:50,786 Speaker 1: that like working with your brother, Ben? Everybody hears about Luke, 362 00:15:50,846 --> 00:15:51,606 Speaker 1: but what about Ben? 363 00:15:51,626 --> 00:15:52,996 Speaker 2: Oh, man. 364 00:15:53,036 --> 00:15:54,596 Speaker 3: You know, so most people don't know this, but Ben 365 00:15:54,816 --> 00:15:59,156 Speaker 3: and I are probably the most alike in my family. 366 00:15:59,196 --> 00:16:01,876 Speaker 3: And so he was always the guy growing up that 367 00:16:01,956 --> 00:16:05,146 Speaker 3: used to actually really stick up for me. And so, 368 00:16:05,186 --> 00:16:07,156 Speaker 3: you know, Joel and I, ironically enough, we didn't get 369 00:16:07,166 --> 00:16:08,296 Speaker 3: along very well growing up. 370 00:16:08,656 --> 00:16:10,356 Speaker 1: So, of course, God would make you guys sing together. 371 00:16:10,776 --> 00:16:14,176 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll fix them. Yeah, have them sing. Sing kumbaya 372 00:16:14,196 --> 00:16:15,316 Speaker 2: and hold hands. That'll fix them. 373 00:16:16,156 --> 00:16:20,146 Speaker 3: So, you know, so I used to be Ben's key 374 00:16:20,226 --> 00:16:22,466 Speaker 3: grip on shoots before I was doing country stuff. I 375 00:16:22,506 --> 00:16:24,786 Speaker 3: used to go help him set up lights. And so 376 00:16:24,826 --> 00:16:27,886 Speaker 3: we would go on all sorts of adventures together. I mean, 377 00:16:28,026 --> 00:16:30,666 Speaker 3: before he was married, I remember him coming to me. 378 00:16:31,176 --> 00:16:32,256 Speaker 3: and said, hey, man, you want to go on a 379 00:16:32,296 --> 00:16:33,936 Speaker 3: camping trip? And I was like, yeah, I'll go on 380 00:16:33,976 --> 00:16:34,556 Speaker 3: a camping trip. 381 00:16:34,756 --> 00:16:35,376 Speaker 2: Well, who's going? 382 00:16:35,396 --> 00:16:38,296 Speaker 3: And he's like, well, potentially my future father-in-law. 383 00:16:38,316 --> 00:16:39,746 Speaker 2: So I just wondered if you could come with me. 384 00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:42,006 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? And so, like, those are 385 00:16:42,026 --> 00:16:43,746 Speaker 2: the types of things that you get. 386 00:16:43,886 --> 00:16:46,266 Speaker 3: And, you know, I think to anybody that's listening, you know, 387 00:16:46,386 --> 00:16:48,706 Speaker 3: raising kids or maybe you're just a little bit older, 388 00:16:48,726 --> 00:16:52,566 Speaker 3: you know, don't ever forget the bonds that are built 389 00:16:53,056 --> 00:16:56,716 Speaker 3: in your youth, what they can do as adults or 390 00:16:56,736 --> 00:16:57,616 Speaker 3: as you grow older. 391 00:16:58,096 --> 00:17:00,576 Speaker 2: Because, you know, at the end of the day, You know, 392 00:17:00,636 --> 00:17:01,416 Speaker 2: family's complicated. 393 00:17:01,436 --> 00:17:05,016 Speaker 3: I could list off a pretty large list of things 394 00:17:05,056 --> 00:17:06,715 Speaker 3: that are going on right now where you'd be like, oh, 395 00:17:06,736 --> 00:17:07,336 Speaker 3: this is interesting. 396 00:17:08,336 --> 00:17:09,716 Speaker 2: But we have a deep love for each other. 397 00:17:09,975 --> 00:17:10,215 Speaker 1: Yeah. 398 00:17:10,636 --> 00:17:15,286 Speaker 3: And if you allow it, love can triumph over the complications. 399 00:17:16,246 --> 00:17:18,146 Speaker 3: And one of the things, even with Ben, and we 400 00:17:18,176 --> 00:17:19,546 Speaker 3: may get into this a bit later in the interview 401 00:17:19,606 --> 00:17:21,606 Speaker 3: or not, but there was a period where Joel, Ben, 402 00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:22,906 Speaker 3: and I were not all. 403 00:17:22,806 --> 00:17:24,705 Speaker 2: Seeing kind of eye to eye on things. 404 00:17:25,785 --> 00:17:25,946 Speaker 1: And. 405 00:17:26,735 --> 00:17:28,856 Speaker 3: There was never a doubt about love for each other. 406 00:17:29,056 --> 00:17:33,026 Speaker 3: But the world and our lifestyles and all the things 407 00:17:33,046 --> 00:17:35,346 Speaker 3: that kind of make us busy had almost gotten in 408 00:17:35,386 --> 00:17:37,985 Speaker 3: the way of that love. And it kind of took 409 00:17:38,066 --> 00:17:41,785 Speaker 3: Drummer Boy bringing us back together to really live out 410 00:17:41,806 --> 00:17:44,086 Speaker 3: the message behind the screen. That was what we pitched 411 00:17:44,126 --> 00:17:45,546 Speaker 3: to Ben, you know, a year and a half ago. 412 00:17:45,566 --> 00:17:46,715 Speaker 3: It was like, hey, man, what if we get in 413 00:17:46,755 --> 00:17:49,015 Speaker 3: the same room and let's kind of hash out our 414 00:17:49,056 --> 00:17:53,626 Speaker 3: differences and let's actually go live the message of Drummer Boy. And, uh, 415 00:17:53,735 --> 00:17:55,815 Speaker 3: and you know, that's, so at the end of the day, 416 00:17:55,876 --> 00:17:57,116 Speaker 3: I want the film to be successful. 417 00:17:57,275 --> 00:17:57,856 Speaker 2: Who wouldn't want it? 418 00:17:57,896 --> 00:18:02,205 Speaker 3: Right. But the greatest victory in this film is that 419 00:18:02,265 --> 00:18:05,226 Speaker 3: I had my brother back and my brother would say 420 00:18:05,245 --> 00:18:08,325 Speaker 3: the same about me. And that's at the end of 421 00:18:08,346 --> 00:18:10,845 Speaker 3: the day, I think that's what success looks like guys. 422 00:18:10,946 --> 00:18:13,026 Speaker 3: It doesn't look like box office numbers. It doesn't look 423 00:18:13,046 --> 00:18:15,745 Speaker 3: like all wealth is not how much is in your 424 00:18:15,785 --> 00:18:18,826 Speaker 3: bank account. It's, it's the, it has an awful lot 425 00:18:18,866 --> 00:18:21,776 Speaker 3: to do with your community and, your families, and your friendship. 426 00:18:21,816 --> 00:18:24,096 Speaker 3: If those are strong, you're a wealthy, wealthy man. 427 00:18:24,196 --> 00:18:24,616 Speaker 2: That's right. 428 00:18:24,995 --> 00:18:27,026 Speaker 1: It's so true. And that really is what I was 429 00:18:27,035 --> 00:18:29,306 Speaker 1: going to ask you about. Here it is, this message 430 00:18:29,426 --> 00:18:33,706 Speaker 1: of the movie is that your deep family wounds can 431 00:18:33,725 --> 00:18:37,055 Speaker 1: be healed and that the movie is a tension between 432 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:40,815 Speaker 1: two brothers and the resolve that can happen instead of 433 00:18:41,096 --> 00:18:44,436 Speaker 1: we're living in this place in our culture today where 434 00:18:44,475 --> 00:18:46,275 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, if your family doesn't agree with you, 435 00:18:46,296 --> 00:18:48,516 Speaker 1: cut them out of your life. They're toxic. They hurt you. 436 00:18:48,995 --> 00:18:51,676 Speaker 1: And people are losing their families left and right. And 437 00:18:51,696 --> 00:18:55,696 Speaker 1: it's this huge, gigantic loss between adult children and their 438 00:18:55,715 --> 00:18:59,016 Speaker 1: parents or siblings, you know, not being together because their 439 00:18:59,056 --> 00:19:04,505 Speaker 1: views don't align. And truly that underlying message of we 440 00:19:04,566 --> 00:19:07,766 Speaker 1: can reconcile, like what a beautiful message. And who would 441 00:19:07,785 --> 00:19:11,056 Speaker 1: have ever known I didn't know until you just said 442 00:19:11,076 --> 00:19:13,256 Speaker 1: it right now that in your own family, that this 443 00:19:13,336 --> 00:19:16,095 Speaker 1: was a point of coming together for you and your brothers. 444 00:19:16,116 --> 00:19:17,025 Speaker 1: Like that's amazing. 445 00:19:17,946 --> 00:19:19,745 Speaker 3: Look, I think, you know, part of the reason why 446 00:19:20,606 --> 00:19:23,705 Speaker 3: films as we've already established and people should never feel 447 00:19:23,725 --> 00:19:25,666 Speaker 3: the complication, but they're so complicated. 448 00:19:25,686 --> 00:19:27,186 Speaker 2: They're very expensive. There's so much. 449 00:19:27,485 --> 00:19:29,975 Speaker 3: And then you throw a musical, you got music, the 450 00:19:29,995 --> 00:19:32,196 Speaker 3: musical and the music can't suck or else you hate 451 00:19:32,235 --> 00:19:32,976 Speaker 3: the movie, you know? 452 00:19:33,035 --> 00:19:35,116 Speaker 2: So like there's all of these things going on. Right. 453 00:19:35,656 --> 00:19:38,186 Speaker 3: But the thing that, I always have to get to, okay, 454 00:19:38,205 --> 00:19:40,566 Speaker 3: if I'm going to sign up for this insanity, because 455 00:19:40,586 --> 00:19:42,845 Speaker 3: films are kind of insane. I mean, I took my 456 00:19:42,886 --> 00:19:46,715 Speaker 3: wife and my four kids to Ireland for three months. 457 00:19:46,975 --> 00:19:49,996 Speaker 2: Right. I mean, we moved to a different country. 458 00:19:50,156 --> 00:19:52,436 Speaker 1: Which is cool for like 10 days. And then the 459 00:19:52,475 --> 00:19:54,196 Speaker 1: rest of the time you're like, what in the world 460 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:55,076 Speaker 1: are we doing in Ireland? 461 00:19:55,096 --> 00:19:55,276 Speaker 2: Yeah. 462 00:19:55,535 --> 00:19:55,635 Speaker 3: Yeah. 463 00:19:55,656 --> 00:19:58,635 Speaker 2: And you're like, well, we're still here looking for leprechauns. 464 00:19:59,406 --> 00:20:04,186 Speaker 3: But, you know, but the gift that is this film 465 00:20:04,265 --> 00:20:07,485 Speaker 3: is I had to work through The why for me 466 00:20:07,666 --> 00:20:10,196 Speaker 3: is I do not believe you can have freedom in 467 00:20:10,215 --> 00:20:10,676 Speaker 3: your life. 468 00:20:10,995 --> 00:20:13,356 Speaker 2: Freedom is a nation without the gift of forgiveness. 469 00:20:13,916 --> 00:20:16,966 Speaker 3: Someone said to me once, you know, if you want 470 00:20:16,985 --> 00:20:19,605 Speaker 3: to live a joyful and happy life, there's basically one 471 00:20:19,666 --> 00:20:21,926 Speaker 3: thing you need to learn how to do. And that 472 00:20:21,965 --> 00:20:25,225 Speaker 3: is to learn to forgive the people that you find unforgivable. 473 00:20:25,606 --> 00:20:27,786 Speaker 3: If you learn to do that, you will actually live. 474 00:20:28,495 --> 00:20:31,556 Speaker 3: a satisfied life. And I thought, wow, that's pretty big. 475 00:20:31,576 --> 00:20:33,516 Speaker 3: And so part of the reason why we wanted this 476 00:20:33,535 --> 00:20:36,235 Speaker 3: film to take place, and it's a Christmas film. I mean, really, 477 00:20:36,255 --> 00:20:40,745 Speaker 3: this film merges our three loves, music, Christmas, and film. 478 00:20:40,946 --> 00:20:42,866 Speaker 3: You put it in a blender and out comes Drummer Boy. 479 00:20:42,886 --> 00:20:45,565 Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why we wanted this to 480 00:20:45,606 --> 00:20:47,505 Speaker 3: come out at Christmas time is because the truth is, 481 00:20:47,846 --> 00:20:49,785 Speaker 3: for many people, I think I read a statistic the 482 00:20:49,826 --> 00:20:53,595 Speaker 3: other day that said 38% of people have a family 483 00:20:53,676 --> 00:20:55,016 Speaker 3: member that they are estranged from. 484 00:20:55,015 --> 00:20:56,576 Speaker 2: 38%? That's a lot of people. 485 00:20:57,656 --> 00:20:59,796 Speaker 3: That's a lot of people. Now, some of it may 486 00:20:59,836 --> 00:21:04,346 Speaker 3: be necessary, right? Let's not forget that there are genuine abuses. 487 00:21:04,946 --> 00:21:07,626 Speaker 3: You know, there's addiction things in there. There are certain 488 00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:10,446 Speaker 3: things where for the betterment and the protection of your family, 489 00:21:10,806 --> 00:21:14,105 Speaker 3: some of this is required. Certainly not 38% from what 490 00:21:14,146 --> 00:21:16,805 Speaker 3: I can tell. Maybe half, maybe I would think it's 491 00:21:16,846 --> 00:21:19,766 Speaker 3: even smaller than that. That is actually a legit thing that, hey, 492 00:21:19,785 --> 00:21:23,245 Speaker 3: this might need to take place. So what I realized is, 493 00:21:23,306 --> 00:21:27,826 Speaker 3: is I don't want Thanksgiving in people's to look over 494 00:21:27,846 --> 00:21:31,576 Speaker 3: at that empty chair and just ignore it. I actually 495 00:21:31,596 --> 00:21:34,056 Speaker 3: want people to watch this movie. And when they get 496 00:21:34,096 --> 00:21:38,015 Speaker 3: through the movie, they realize that, oh, Thanksgiving's coming, Christmas 497 00:21:38,076 --> 00:21:40,396 Speaker 3: is coming, and that chair is always empty. And it's 498 00:21:40,556 --> 00:21:44,236 Speaker 3: empty because of me. What would you do to pick 499 00:21:44,275 --> 00:21:47,336 Speaker 3: up the phone and make a phone call? And what 500 00:21:47,356 --> 00:21:50,156 Speaker 3: I realized about most estrangement, if you want to call 501 00:21:50,196 --> 00:21:52,955 Speaker 3: it that, is it starts, I don't even know, most 502 00:21:52,975 --> 00:21:56,376 Speaker 3: people can't ever remember where it started. something small becomes 503 00:21:56,495 --> 00:22:01,176 Speaker 3: so significant, so big that, you know, we just, and 504 00:22:01,196 --> 00:22:03,116 Speaker 3: we let it and it becomes a forest fire. I 505 00:22:03,436 --> 00:22:07,395 Speaker 3: think unforgiveness is very much like a forest fire. It 506 00:22:07,556 --> 00:22:10,105 Speaker 3: starts out very, very small. It starts from the camper 507 00:22:10,126 --> 00:22:11,846 Speaker 3: who maybe forgot to put the rock around the edge. 508 00:22:11,906 --> 00:22:12,246 Speaker 2: I don't know. 509 00:22:12,566 --> 00:22:14,725 Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden it destroys, can destroy 510 00:22:14,785 --> 00:22:18,686 Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of acres. Sometimes your soul is a 511 00:22:18,745 --> 00:22:20,666 Speaker 3: little bit like the acreage that it destroys. 512 00:22:20,686 --> 00:22:23,106 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you think it's too late, like it's too far. 513 00:22:25,015 --> 00:22:25,176 Speaker 2: Yeah. 514 00:22:25,215 --> 00:22:27,565 Speaker 1: And it's not like it can be put out. 515 00:22:28,025 --> 00:22:28,225 Speaker 2: Yeah. 516 00:22:29,426 --> 00:22:32,006 Speaker 1: There's a running theme throughout the movie, like who you 517 00:22:32,066 --> 00:22:34,965 Speaker 1: hope to be. Yeah. And are we who we hope 518 00:22:35,025 --> 00:22:39,215 Speaker 1: to be? How has this as a father, kind of 519 00:22:39,255 --> 00:22:42,136 Speaker 1: this message, kind of made you look at your children, 520 00:22:42,596 --> 00:22:44,016 Speaker 1: you know, in a certain way? Has it had any 521 00:22:44,076 --> 00:22:45,156 Speaker 1: impact in that direction? 522 00:22:46,275 --> 00:22:49,275 Speaker 3: I think that every man, every woman should ask at 523 00:22:49,316 --> 00:22:51,745 Speaker 3: least a few times a year, am I who I 524 00:22:51,785 --> 00:22:56,316 Speaker 3: hope to be? Because what happens is, is You start, 525 00:22:57,056 --> 00:23:01,076 Speaker 3: you develop patterns and habits in life. And the moment 526 00:23:01,136 --> 00:23:03,616 Speaker 3: you say yes to a certain pattern or a certain 527 00:23:03,656 --> 00:23:07,686 Speaker 3: habit that's negative, they become very difficult to stop. And 528 00:23:07,725 --> 00:23:10,506 Speaker 3: then that becomes something that all of a sudden is, 529 00:23:10,806 --> 00:23:12,285 Speaker 3: you're looking back in the rear view mirror and it's 530 00:23:12,326 --> 00:23:17,065 Speaker 3: been years, years upon years. And, you know, so for me, 531 00:23:17,126 --> 00:23:19,216 Speaker 3: one of the things that I've just realized as a parent, like, look, 532 00:23:19,235 --> 00:23:21,396 Speaker 3: I can give my kids the greatest speeches of all time. 533 00:23:22,255 --> 00:23:24,095 Speaker 3: Not that I'm particularly good at that, but I can 534 00:23:24,156 --> 00:23:26,336 Speaker 3: try to be eloquent and I can try to give 535 00:23:26,376 --> 00:23:27,676 Speaker 3: them great wisdom. 536 00:23:28,156 --> 00:23:30,266 Speaker 2: But the truth is, they live as I live. 537 00:23:30,285 --> 00:23:33,045 Speaker 3: They will look at me and I can teach my 538 00:23:33,086 --> 00:23:34,045 Speaker 3: kids to work hard. 539 00:23:34,386 --> 00:23:36,686 Speaker 2: But if they don't see their dad working hard, well, 540 00:23:36,705 --> 00:23:37,546 Speaker 2: why would they work hard? 541 00:23:37,946 --> 00:23:40,146 Speaker 3: And yet, and if they see their dad not working 542 00:23:40,186 --> 00:23:44,006 Speaker 3: hard and somehow still being rewarded for it, well, that's 543 00:23:44,066 --> 00:23:46,176 Speaker 3: the example that they're going to follow. So are you 544 00:23:46,306 --> 00:23:50,686 Speaker 3: who you hope to be demands a response. You can't 545 00:23:50,725 --> 00:23:53,846 Speaker 3: really just kind of go, um, I don't know. That 546 00:23:53,866 --> 00:23:55,726 Speaker 3: doesn't work. Like, are you who you hope to be? 547 00:23:55,765 --> 00:23:58,285 Speaker 3: It's a yes or a no answer. And, you know, 548 00:23:58,306 --> 00:24:00,965 Speaker 3: and sometimes it might be not quite. Okay, well, then 549 00:24:00,985 --> 00:24:03,836 Speaker 3: what are you doing to make some changes in your life? 550 00:24:03,856 --> 00:24:05,575 Speaker 3: And that to me, one of my favorite moments is 551 00:24:05,596 --> 00:24:07,075 Speaker 3: actually at the end of the film, not to be 552 00:24:07,096 --> 00:24:08,775 Speaker 3: a spoiler, but at the end of the film, one 553 00:24:08,796 --> 00:24:10,696 Speaker 3: of the actors looks at the camera, breaks the fourth 554 00:24:10,755 --> 00:24:12,235 Speaker 3: wall and says, are you who you hope to be? 555 00:24:13,136 --> 00:24:16,565 Speaker 3: I think that that's going to be something that really resonates. 556 00:24:16,806 --> 00:24:19,446 Speaker 3: And I hope people, that's the debate. That's the conversation 557 00:24:19,485 --> 00:24:21,366 Speaker 3: on the way home in the car. You very rarely 558 00:24:21,406 --> 00:24:23,386 Speaker 3: go to see a movie by yourself. And what's the 559 00:24:23,426 --> 00:24:25,025 Speaker 3: first thing you do when you walk out of a movie? 560 00:24:25,265 --> 00:24:25,746 Speaker 2: What did you think? 561 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:29,775 Speaker 3: My hope is, is that they say, I loved it, 562 00:24:30,715 --> 00:24:32,176 Speaker 3: but I got to figure out who I want to be. 563 00:24:32,196 --> 00:24:36,016 Speaker 1: And that would be, I mean, that would be amazing. 564 00:24:36,136 --> 00:24:39,455 Speaker 1: And it will happen as you watch this film. Your 565 00:24:39,495 --> 00:24:43,265 Speaker 1: advice about for families just living in busy times? Because 566 00:24:43,446 --> 00:24:46,606 Speaker 1: obviously this was a very busy time filming this movie. 567 00:24:47,186 --> 00:24:51,346 Speaker 1: Any like rhythms that you found that helped you connect 568 00:24:51,525 --> 00:24:55,006 Speaker 1: with Courtney, connect with your kids through this busy schedule? 569 00:24:55,025 --> 00:24:57,205 Speaker 1: Because a lot of people listening, they live in this 570 00:24:57,225 --> 00:24:58,485 Speaker 1: busy kind of life. 571 00:24:58,906 --> 00:24:59,995 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 572 00:25:00,015 --> 00:25:03,345 Speaker 3: I mean, look, that's... Am I who I hope to 573 00:25:03,386 --> 00:25:05,105 Speaker 3: be when it comes to busyness? That's something I have 574 00:25:05,126 --> 00:25:08,396 Speaker 3: to continually address, right? So don't, you know, I'm not 575 00:25:08,416 --> 00:25:09,475 Speaker 3: a master. 576 00:25:09,035 --> 00:25:09,556 Speaker 2: At these things. 577 00:25:09,596 --> 00:25:11,436 Speaker 3: I do have a few things, but just know a 578 00:25:11,495 --> 00:25:12,995 Speaker 3: lot of this, by the way, I think for any 579 00:25:13,035 --> 00:25:14,496 Speaker 3: parent out there, it's a little bit of a work 580 00:25:14,515 --> 00:25:17,736 Speaker 3: in progress. And I think sometimes we pivot and we're 581 00:25:17,755 --> 00:25:19,775 Speaker 3: a little bit like the pendulum swings so far that 582 00:25:19,816 --> 00:25:22,906 Speaker 3: it's almost like unattainable to keep, if that makes sense. 583 00:25:22,946 --> 00:25:24,786 Speaker 3: So one of the things I would say is any 584 00:25:24,846 --> 00:25:27,086 Speaker 3: changes you want to make in your schedule when it 585 00:25:27,126 --> 00:25:30,346 Speaker 3: comes to busyness, make sure they're attainable. Because what happens 586 00:25:30,426 --> 00:25:31,805 Speaker 3: is we're like, we're going to go on a walk 587 00:25:31,906 --> 00:25:35,206 Speaker 3: every single day at 5 p.m. Well, sometimes there's traffic, 588 00:25:35,546 --> 00:25:37,126 Speaker 3: you know, and there's sometimes these other things. And then 589 00:25:37,146 --> 00:25:38,825 Speaker 3: all of a sudden you as a parent or a 590 00:25:38,926 --> 00:25:41,065 Speaker 3: spouse or whatever, like I'm failing because I didn't get 591 00:25:41,086 --> 00:25:43,146 Speaker 3: to do this. And it's like, you know, give yourself 592 00:25:43,176 --> 00:25:44,696 Speaker 3: some grace. But one of the things we did in 593 00:25:44,816 --> 00:25:47,495 Speaker 3: Europe when we were actually in Ireland is we would, 594 00:25:48,015 --> 00:25:50,436 Speaker 3: whenever I would come home when we were in pre-production, 595 00:25:50,455 --> 00:25:52,395 Speaker 3: so we weren't on set yet, we would take the 596 00:25:52,495 --> 00:25:55,256 Speaker 3: whole family and there was this beautiful walk. And we 597 00:25:55,296 --> 00:25:57,416 Speaker 3: would just, we'd drive the car there and we would 598 00:25:57,455 --> 00:26:01,475 Speaker 3: walk and the kids could go Play out in the forest. And, 599 00:26:01,676 --> 00:26:04,196 Speaker 3: you know, Courtney and I would walk, you know, kind 600 00:26:04,215 --> 00:26:08,326 Speaker 3: of together, side by side. And then the kids would disappear, reappear, 601 00:26:08,346 --> 00:26:10,505 Speaker 3: throw the ball, do all these things. And it's one 602 00:26:10,525 --> 00:26:13,205 Speaker 3: of my favorite memories, actually, of that period of time. 603 00:26:14,126 --> 00:26:16,366 Speaker 3: And then for me, you know, as a dad with, 604 00:26:16,505 --> 00:26:18,955 Speaker 3: you know, boys, you know, I just try to get 605 00:26:19,015 --> 00:26:21,736 Speaker 3: outside with the kids once every day. 606 00:26:22,455 --> 00:26:25,076 Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily mean it always happens. Yeah. 607 00:26:25,455 --> 00:26:28,176 Speaker 3: But usually speaking, if the sun is setting now, it's 608 00:26:28,215 --> 00:26:29,816 Speaker 3: in the summer months, you know, so the sun's been 609 00:26:29,836 --> 00:26:32,005 Speaker 3: up a little bit longer. You're usually going to find 610 00:26:32,025 --> 00:26:34,766 Speaker 3: me throwing the football with the boys every evening. It's just, 611 00:26:35,086 --> 00:26:38,745 Speaker 3: there's just something about it. Rick Warren once, it's going 612 00:26:38,765 --> 00:26:39,646 Speaker 3: to sound like a name drop. 613 00:26:39,666 --> 00:26:41,025 Speaker 2: It's not. It was just really good advice. 614 00:26:41,446 --> 00:26:45,446 Speaker 3: But he was, we've become friends over the years and 615 00:26:45,686 --> 00:26:48,166 Speaker 3: he was dropping us off at the airport himself, by 616 00:26:48,186 --> 00:26:48,406 Speaker 3: the way. 617 00:26:48,446 --> 00:26:50,266 Speaker 2: He was the Uber driver. I love that. 618 00:26:50,285 --> 00:26:54,616 Speaker 3: And somehow we got talking about parenting. And he said, 619 00:26:54,816 --> 00:26:56,595 Speaker 3: I think my brother Daniel was up there or I 620 00:26:56,636 --> 00:26:56,975 Speaker 3: was talking. 621 00:26:56,995 --> 00:26:59,176 Speaker 2: I forget who it was. But he just said, hey, 622 00:26:59,196 --> 00:27:01,646 Speaker 2: you got any parenting advice? And he goes, yes, I do. And, 623 00:27:02,136 --> 00:27:04,536 Speaker 2: you know, if you know Rick, he's a very big personality. 624 00:27:05,196 --> 00:27:06,096 Speaker 2: He goes, yes, I do. 625 00:27:06,116 --> 00:27:11,986 Speaker 3: And he goes, parenting doesn't take place across from a table. 626 00:27:12,725 --> 00:27:14,545 Speaker 2: It takes place side by side. 627 00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:17,305 Speaker 3: So he said, if you got something that's big and 628 00:27:17,326 --> 00:27:19,186 Speaker 3: important to talk about with your son or your daughter, 629 00:27:19,866 --> 00:27:23,936 Speaker 3: go for a walk. Take a drive. go work on 630 00:27:23,955 --> 00:27:27,475 Speaker 3: a project together. He said, there's something about being side 631 00:27:27,535 --> 00:27:31,316 Speaker 3: by side that breaks down barriers. I've never forgotten that. 632 00:27:31,376 --> 00:27:33,936 Speaker 3: And so even with that, you know, habit of throwing 633 00:27:33,955 --> 00:27:37,426 Speaker 3: the football, they end up by your side, you know, 634 00:27:38,106 --> 00:27:39,485 Speaker 3: going on a walk, they end. 635 00:27:39,446 --> 00:27:41,786 Speaker 2: Up lingering, you know, they're side by side. 636 00:27:41,846 --> 00:27:44,725 Speaker 3: I just thought, no, having dinner at the dinner table, 637 00:27:44,946 --> 00:27:48,566 Speaker 3: extremely a pivotal, wonderful thing that everyone should implement. But 638 00:27:49,386 --> 00:27:52,946 Speaker 3: That's not usually the place for great breakthrough conversations because, 639 00:27:52,965 --> 00:27:55,586 Speaker 3: you know, in my house, there's five other humans around. 640 00:27:55,626 --> 00:27:57,245 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Right. 641 00:27:57,265 --> 00:27:59,485 Speaker 3: So, you know, those are just a few things probably 642 00:27:59,525 --> 00:28:01,086 Speaker 3: off the top of my mind. I'm just a person, 643 00:28:01,126 --> 00:28:02,406 Speaker 3: by the way. I'm not any expert. 644 00:28:02,475 --> 00:28:03,086 Speaker 2: I'm just a person. 645 00:28:03,366 --> 00:28:05,835 Speaker 1: But you're a dad and we can share what we're 646 00:28:05,876 --> 00:28:06,515 Speaker 1: learning together. 647 00:28:06,535 --> 00:28:07,056 Speaker 2: That's right. 648 00:28:07,376 --> 00:28:09,296 Speaker 1: What would you say as we close? And this has 649 00:28:09,336 --> 00:28:13,656 Speaker 1: been just amazing. Was there a favorite moment, a favorite 650 00:28:13,816 --> 00:28:17,035 Speaker 1: scene from the movie that resonated with you especially? 651 00:28:19,416 --> 00:28:20,495 Speaker 2: There's a scene at. 652 00:28:21,995 --> 00:28:24,436 Speaker 3: The dinner table, and you probably know what I'm talking 653 00:28:24,475 --> 00:28:26,336 Speaker 3: about when I mention this. 654 00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:28,106 Speaker 2: And I don't think this is a spoiler alert, but 655 00:28:28,446 --> 00:28:29,865 Speaker 2: who cares? I guess I can do this. I can 656 00:28:29,886 --> 00:28:31,846 Speaker 2: spoil it. 657 00:28:32,106 --> 00:28:36,446 Speaker 3: And the two brothers have obviously grown up very close, 658 00:28:36,806 --> 00:28:42,075 Speaker 3: but their ideals are changing who they are. And my 659 00:28:42,116 --> 00:28:45,835 Speaker 3: brother Joel's character, Jeremiah, says to his younger brother, the 660 00:28:45,976 --> 00:28:52,886 Speaker 3: unspeakable There's a line where Benjamin's character has. 661 00:28:52,026 --> 00:28:54,845 Speaker 2: A crippled leg and he makes fun of it. 662 00:28:55,046 --> 00:28:57,326 Speaker 3: And he basically says, you know, one week, you know, 663 00:28:57,366 --> 00:28:58,926 Speaker 3: if you join the Patriots, one week. 664 00:28:58,756 --> 00:29:01,216 Speaker 2: Of them dragging your worthless leg around will get them 665 00:29:01,256 --> 00:29:03,896 Speaker 2: all killed. And most people are like, wait, that's your 666 00:29:03,996 --> 00:29:04,696 Speaker 2: favorite scene? 667 00:29:04,716 --> 00:29:09,236 Speaker 3: And the reason why it is, is because I realized 668 00:29:09,296 --> 00:29:12,876 Speaker 3: in myself, I did that as a brother. I took 669 00:29:12,896 --> 00:29:17,196 Speaker 3: the vulnerable things that I knew because I was close 670 00:29:17,216 --> 00:29:20,266 Speaker 3: to my siblings and I poked at them and I 671 00:29:20,356 --> 00:29:25,026 Speaker 3: brought them to the surface and I created wedges because 672 00:29:25,066 --> 00:29:28,996 Speaker 3: I obviously felt insecure about my own abilities to do X, Y, Z. 673 00:29:29,766 --> 00:29:31,666 Speaker 3: And it's just made me realize that that's what we 674 00:29:31,766 --> 00:29:34,926 Speaker 3: oftentimes do as people. We find someone's vulnerability and we 675 00:29:34,986 --> 00:29:39,216 Speaker 3: weaponize them. And it's just a real distinct moment for 676 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:40,636 Speaker 3: me because what ends up happening is the film is 677 00:29:40,656 --> 00:29:44,796 Speaker 3: they go to separate sides of the battlefield. That's not 678 00:29:44,856 --> 00:29:47,786 Speaker 3: unlike what happens, guys, to us relationally. We just end 679 00:29:47,846 --> 00:29:51,116 Speaker 3: up on opposite sides. And so for me, that's probably 680 00:29:51,116 --> 00:29:53,686 Speaker 3: one of the most powerful scenes Wow. 681 00:29:53,806 --> 00:29:56,186 Speaker 2: Because I actually saw myself. 682 00:29:56,686 --> 00:29:59,756 Speaker 3: In Jeremiah and I was like, oh, I could totally 683 00:29:59,776 --> 00:30:00,216 Speaker 3: have done that. 684 00:30:00,476 --> 00:30:02,346 Speaker 2: Yeah, that could have been me. 685 00:30:03,116 --> 00:30:06,216 Speaker 1: And it's so real. You know, I'm an only child, 686 00:30:06,296 --> 00:30:09,176 Speaker 1: so it's hard. I cannot imagine this, but anyone with 687 00:30:09,236 --> 00:30:12,536 Speaker 1: a sibling is right there with you. It's like, oh, yeah, 688 00:30:12,556 --> 00:30:13,036 Speaker 1: that could be me. 689 00:30:13,806 --> 00:30:15,646 Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I think that we do it as we, 690 00:30:15,966 --> 00:30:17,646 Speaker 2: we do it in the workplace. Yes. 691 00:30:17,686 --> 00:30:21,156 Speaker 1: We find people's vulnerabilities. Like what, who does what we do? 692 00:30:21,676 --> 00:30:23,856 Speaker 1: And then we poke holes at that. All right. 693 00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:27,416 Speaker 3: And we find their vulnerability and we get the result 694 00:30:27,436 --> 00:30:29,896 Speaker 3: that we want, depending on how we twist the knife. 695 00:30:30,636 --> 00:30:32,596 Speaker 3: And sometimes that knife is without words. 696 00:30:33,346 --> 00:30:37,845 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that is very, I want to say it's 697 00:30:37,866 --> 00:30:40,585 Speaker 1: very big of you to admit and to tell us 698 00:30:40,646 --> 00:30:43,906 Speaker 1: as podcast listeners that that resonates with us. So thank 699 00:30:43,926 --> 00:30:46,246 Speaker 1: you so much for sharing that. I was listening to 700 00:30:46,266 --> 00:30:49,306 Speaker 1: you and Courtney on a podcast and they had asked 701 00:30:49,326 --> 00:30:51,746 Speaker 1: like what they would put on the spouses, you know, 702 00:30:51,826 --> 00:30:55,586 Speaker 1: on the epitaph. And she had said, everything is figureoutable 703 00:30:55,806 --> 00:30:59,906 Speaker 1: for you, that you're like a constant river, that you 704 00:30:59,966 --> 00:31:03,776 Speaker 1: are calm and you figure things out. So you're so 705 00:31:03,806 --> 00:31:07,756 Speaker 1: valuable in your family that you figure things out. And 706 00:31:08,056 --> 00:31:11,875 Speaker 1: really what you've shared about forgiveness, about the power of music, 707 00:31:12,516 --> 00:31:17,296 Speaker 1: about giving God what we have, patching things up with 708 00:31:17,336 --> 00:31:20,176 Speaker 1: our siblings, with those that we're having, you know, different 709 00:31:20,216 --> 00:31:23,046 Speaker 1: ideals with. These are really, really important messages for the 710 00:31:23,066 --> 00:31:25,726 Speaker 1: happy home to have a happy home. So thank you. 711 00:31:25,786 --> 00:31:28,065 Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to mention? And 712 00:31:28,146 --> 00:31:32,286 Speaker 1: then tell us, obviously, go to the theater and go 713 00:31:32,386 --> 00:31:36,516 Speaker 1: see Drummer Boy, like schedule it right now. Look for 714 00:31:36,556 --> 00:31:38,136 Speaker 1: the next few days and schedule it. 715 00:31:38,716 --> 00:31:40,036 Speaker 3: One of the best things that you can do for 716 00:31:40,076 --> 00:31:42,856 Speaker 3: us is actually is to purchase a ticket in advance. Obviously, 717 00:31:42,876 --> 00:31:45,796 Speaker 3: the film comes out November 6th. November 6th, 7th, or 718 00:31:46,036 --> 00:31:48,756 Speaker 3: 8th are really, really key days for the films. But, 719 00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:51,256 Speaker 3: you know, go to the film and I hope you 720 00:31:51,276 --> 00:31:53,966 Speaker 3: enjoy it. If you go to, just to help you 721 00:31:54,026 --> 00:31:57,936 Speaker 3: out a little bit, if you go to angel.com forward 722 00:31:57,956 --> 00:32:00,716 Speaker 3: slash drummer boy, and you purchase a ticket, and you 723 00:32:00,856 --> 00:32:04,276 Speaker 3: use the keyword gift, you'll actually get a buy one 724 00:32:04,336 --> 00:32:06,516 Speaker 3: get one. And so you can actually get a free ticket. 725 00:32:06,596 --> 00:32:08,135 Speaker 3: So whether or not you want to buy one, get 726 00:32:08,216 --> 00:32:10,286 Speaker 3: one for someone you love, or you want to give 727 00:32:10,296 --> 00:32:11,986 Speaker 3: it away, whatever it might be, but that is. 728 00:32:11,966 --> 00:32:13,306 Speaker 2: The best place to go. 729 00:32:13,366 --> 00:32:18,266 Speaker 3: So angel.com forward slash drummer boy keyword gift, and you 730 00:32:18,286 --> 00:32:20,026 Speaker 3: can do a buy one get one that's just for 731 00:32:20,126 --> 00:32:22,766 Speaker 3: opening weekend. So you Hopefully you guys can get out there, 732 00:32:22,866 --> 00:32:24,846 Speaker 3: enjoy it, and have what we're calling the. 733 00:32:24,886 --> 00:32:28,506 Speaker 2: First Christmas, the first gift of Christmas, as they say 734 00:32:28,566 --> 00:32:31,866 Speaker 2: in Polar Express. And maybe that can be going to 735 00:32:31,886 --> 00:32:32,266 Speaker 2: Drummer Boy. 736 00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:34,586 Speaker 1: I love it so much. We're going to have those 737 00:32:34,666 --> 00:32:36,926 Speaker 1: links in the show notes. Thank you so much, Luke, 738 00:32:36,966 --> 00:32:40,866 Speaker 1: for your time, your heart, and this amazing movie, Drummer Boy. 739 00:32:40,906 --> 00:32:42,126 Speaker 1: You're going to love it. Thanks so much. 740 00:32:42,386 --> 00:32:43,296 Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. Appreciate it. 741 00:32:44,586 --> 00:32:47,846 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed today's conversation. I'd love to keep 742 00:32:47,906 --> 00:32:51,526 Speaker 1: in touch beyond this podcast. Click subscribe in the show 743 00:32:51,566 --> 00:32:54,126 Speaker 1: notes and I will give you my latest email to 744 00:32:54,206 --> 00:32:58,146 Speaker 1: keep up on what's happening with technology and kids. And 745 00:32:58,166 --> 00:33:01,046 Speaker 1: maybe you like reading or listening to books. I have 746 00:33:01,086 --> 00:33:03,666 Speaker 1: a lot of books. You could start with the big three, 747 00:33:04,226 --> 00:33:09,376 Speaker 1: Making Marriage Easier, Parents Rising, or Screen Kids. A big 748 00:33:09,426 --> 00:33:11,586 Speaker 1: thank you to the team at Life Audio for their 749 00:33:11,646 --> 00:33:16,026 Speaker 1: partnership with the Happy Home Podcast. Check out lifeaudio.com for 750 00:33:16,086 --> 00:33:21,956 Speaker 1: dozens of other faith-related podcasts about prayer, Bible study, and more. Remember, 751 00:33:22,276 --> 00:33:24,595 Speaker 1: you don't have to come from a happy home to 752 00:33:24,656 --> 00:33:27,776 Speaker 1: create one. You too can have a happy home.