1 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:20,746 Speaker 1: Hi, friend. 2 00:00:20,846 --> 00:00:22,246 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here today. 3 00:00:22,606 --> 00:00:25,506 Speaker 3: Let's learn how to raise our kids to love God, 4 00:00:25,886 --> 00:00:30,276 Speaker 3: respect authority, and do what's right. Let's scroll less and 5 00:00:30,416 --> 00:00:34,396 Speaker 3: live more. I'm Arlene Pelican, and this is The Happy Home. 6 00:00:37,856 --> 00:00:41,455 Speaker 3: I'm kind of pinching myself, friends, because I have Lisa Harper, 7 00:00:41,736 --> 00:00:45,266 Speaker 3: the beloved Bible teacher. She's got her doctorate, 40 years 8 00:00:45,306 --> 00:00:48,366 Speaker 3: of ministry plus. She has the podcast. You probably listened 9 00:00:48,406 --> 00:00:51,316 Speaker 3: to it, Back Porch Theology. She is the mama to Missy. 10 00:00:51,476 --> 00:00:53,056 Speaker 3: She's got a new book, Theology. 11 00:00:53,536 --> 00:00:56,976 Speaker 4: For the rest of us okay can i totally be 12 00:00:57,056 --> 00:01:01,206 Speaker 4: rude please jump right in my introduction okay when we 13 00:01:01,226 --> 00:01:05,045 Speaker 4: were talking about theology i thought of your name oh this. 14 00:01:05,006 --> 00:01:07,206 Speaker 2: Is gonna be good i like this already. 15 00:01:07,126 --> 00:01:09,066 Speaker 1: Usually you hear the word theology and you want to 16 00:01:09,106 --> 00:01:10,706 Speaker 1: take middle field trips you think it's going to be 17 00:01:10,726 --> 00:01:13,125 Speaker 1: boring or it's some old man with dark socks in 18 00:01:13,146 --> 00:01:17,926 Speaker 1: a seminary corner office And I learned this new thing, Arlene, 19 00:01:18,046 --> 00:01:21,465 Speaker 1: recently about pelicans. I know that's not exactly what I'm saying, 20 00:01:21,486 --> 00:01:21,846 Speaker 1: but it's close. 21 00:01:21,866 --> 00:01:23,965 Speaker 2: I know, but super close. Not going to get closer. 22 00:01:24,045 --> 00:01:30,526 Speaker 1: There's probably some etymology there. Pelicans, ancient artists depicting pelicans 23 00:01:30,586 --> 00:01:34,736 Speaker 1: on top of crosses. It's because pelicans, when there's a 24 00:01:34,795 --> 00:01:38,556 Speaker 1: drought and they can't get fish to feed their baby birds, 25 00:01:38,596 --> 00:01:42,455 Speaker 1: the baby pelicans, they will actually rip off their feathers 26 00:01:42,476 --> 00:01:46,086 Speaker 1: and and pierce their own flesh and feed the baby 27 00:01:46,185 --> 00:01:48,086 Speaker 1: pelicans with their own blood. 28 00:01:48,326 --> 00:01:49,026 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 29 00:01:49,066 --> 00:01:53,836 Speaker 1: So some ancient artists would depict a pelican on top 30 00:01:53,876 --> 00:01:56,776 Speaker 1: of a cross so that people would see that and 31 00:01:56,836 --> 00:02:01,276 Speaker 1: get the metaphor of Jesus used his own body to 32 00:02:01,496 --> 00:02:04,676 Speaker 1: save us, to nourish us. And I, so Oh, my goodness. 33 00:02:04,896 --> 00:02:08,016 Speaker 1: It's not Pelican, but it's close enough. So I thought 34 00:02:08,036 --> 00:02:11,675 Speaker 1: there is some awesome theology rooted to your surname, ma'am. 35 00:02:11,996 --> 00:02:13,956 Speaker 3: I'm kind of not sure if I should be like, wow, 36 00:02:13,976 --> 00:02:16,036 Speaker 3: that's really cool, or wow, I would never let my 37 00:02:16,076 --> 00:02:16,676 Speaker 3: child eat. 38 00:02:16,576 --> 00:02:18,835 Speaker 1: From my flesh. I know. I know. 39 00:02:18,876 --> 00:02:19,996 Speaker 3: It is a little more bearish. 40 00:02:20,356 --> 00:02:23,425 Speaker 1: But still, just the metaphor to me because I had 41 00:02:23,546 --> 00:02:27,145 Speaker 1: seen some lumpy doves and I would think that is 42 00:02:27,166 --> 00:02:28,965 Speaker 1: a bad looking dove. And then I found out, oh, 43 00:02:29,486 --> 00:02:31,965 Speaker 1: every now and then when we look at ancient religious art, 44 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:34,085 Speaker 1: that's actually a pelican, not a dove on top of 45 00:02:34,126 --> 00:02:34,446 Speaker 1: the cross. 46 00:02:34,486 --> 00:02:35,645 Speaker 2: So now we will look at that. 47 00:02:35,666 --> 00:02:38,196 Speaker 1: A little theology. Completely differently. Okay. 48 00:02:38,266 --> 00:02:38,946 Speaker 2: So this is. 49 00:02:39,446 --> 00:02:42,476 Speaker 3: This is totally saying you have this theology for the 50 00:02:42,536 --> 00:02:45,816 Speaker 3: rest of us, a user-friendly guide to super cool, really 51 00:02:45,856 --> 00:02:49,536 Speaker 3: transformational stuff about God and why it matters. And in me, 52 00:02:49,656 --> 00:02:52,436 Speaker 3: my name, you've just given that. But what's so beautiful 53 00:02:52,456 --> 00:02:56,136 Speaker 3: about theology is everybody's name, right? As we're studying theology, 54 00:02:56,175 --> 00:02:57,716 Speaker 3: we are learning more about God. 55 00:02:57,736 --> 00:02:58,716 Speaker 1: So take me to. 56 00:02:59,696 --> 00:03:03,696 Speaker 3: When Missy came home with you, your adopted daughter from Haiti, 57 00:03:04,456 --> 00:03:07,835 Speaker 3: and we're all crazy about dogs in America, but in Haiti, 58 00:03:07,856 --> 00:03:11,506 Speaker 3: dogs are not pets. Talk about Cookie and what that 59 00:03:11,566 --> 00:03:13,106 Speaker 3: taught about theology. 60 00:03:13,126 --> 00:03:15,786 Speaker 1: Oh, that's really, really sweet. I love that you brought 61 00:03:15,805 --> 00:03:19,946 Speaker 1: up that story. Yeah, I adopted my daughter, brought her home. 62 00:03:19,986 --> 00:03:22,905 Speaker 1: Her first mama passed. I cannot wait to meet her 63 00:03:22,946 --> 00:03:26,745 Speaker 1: first mama, Marie. She's with Jesus, but she died when 64 00:03:26,786 --> 00:03:30,326 Speaker 1: Missy was a baby. And Missy was very sick. And 65 00:03:30,456 --> 00:03:32,806 Speaker 1: so I think we have to be careful thinking that 66 00:03:32,946 --> 00:03:35,166 Speaker 1: the answer is always to take kids out of their 67 00:03:35,206 --> 00:03:37,886 Speaker 1: country and bring them to America. I want to be 68 00:03:37,946 --> 00:03:40,386 Speaker 1: really sensitive with that. But Missy was dying and there 69 00:03:40,416 --> 00:03:43,796 Speaker 1: was no medicine for her in the village she was 70 00:03:43,836 --> 00:03:45,456 Speaker 1: in in Haiti and nobody to care for her. And 71 00:03:45,476 --> 00:03:48,996 Speaker 1: so by the grace of God, I got to become 72 00:03:49,016 --> 00:03:51,586 Speaker 1: her second mama through the miracle adoption. She was four 73 00:03:51,706 --> 00:03:54,616 Speaker 1: when I brought her home. And she spent some time 74 00:03:54,656 --> 00:03:56,876 Speaker 1: in an orphanage in Haiti, and it was very rough. 75 00:03:56,956 --> 00:04:00,316 Speaker 1: Missy experienced a lot of trauma at the orphanage. She 76 00:04:00,356 --> 00:04:03,026 Speaker 1: was not loved well. And one of the things she 77 00:04:03,086 --> 00:04:06,006 Speaker 1: learned at the orphanage was the nannies taught her that 78 00:04:06,206 --> 00:04:10,266 Speaker 1: dogs will eat you. And part of that was the 79 00:04:10,366 --> 00:04:15,196 Speaker 1: orphanage was in a pretty rough area of Haiti, and 80 00:04:15,236 --> 00:04:18,276 Speaker 1: there were a lot of stray dogs that were rabid. 81 00:04:18,996 --> 00:04:22,376 Speaker 1: around the orphanage, high walls, barbed wire, razor wire over 82 00:04:22,476 --> 00:04:24,836 Speaker 1: the orphanage. But they would tell the kids, if you 83 00:04:24,956 --> 00:04:27,516 Speaker 1: ever see a dog, don't know near the dog because 84 00:04:27,536 --> 00:04:29,806 Speaker 1: they were afraid the dogs had rabies and would hurt 85 00:04:29,846 --> 00:04:31,966 Speaker 1: the kids. And so they just told the kids dogs 86 00:04:32,006 --> 00:04:35,526 Speaker 1: were monsters. So literally the first night I bring Missy 87 00:04:35,546 --> 00:04:37,366 Speaker 1: home from Haiti and I have her on my hip, 88 00:04:37,426 --> 00:04:39,406 Speaker 1: you know, she's four years old, but she's itty bitty. 89 00:04:39,426 --> 00:04:42,695 Speaker 1: She's 36 pounds. We come walking up my driveway. I 90 00:04:42,716 --> 00:04:46,476 Speaker 1: live out in the boonies, little farmette. I have three dogs. Well, 91 00:04:46,516 --> 00:04:49,286 Speaker 1: of course, the dogs, I, in the process of adopting 92 00:04:49,326 --> 00:04:51,886 Speaker 1: Missy for two years, I would bring like anything she 93 00:04:51,966 --> 00:04:55,366 Speaker 1: wore that had her scent. I would bring it back 94 00:04:55,456 --> 00:04:57,556 Speaker 1: to Nashville so my dogs would get used to her 95 00:04:57,576 --> 00:04:59,436 Speaker 1: because I just, I'm a big dog person. I knew 96 00:04:59,456 --> 00:05:01,916 Speaker 1: they would love Missy. And I always say I love dogs. 97 00:05:02,255 --> 00:05:04,236 Speaker 1: If somebody doesn't love dogs, I don't really trust them. 98 00:05:06,036 --> 00:05:06,596 Speaker 1: I have a dog. 99 00:05:06,616 --> 00:05:07,496 Speaker 2: We can keep talking. 100 00:05:07,666 --> 00:05:11,226 Speaker 1: So many dogs in glory. But anyway, the minute I 101 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:12,706 Speaker 1: get her out of the car seat, I have her 102 00:05:12,726 --> 00:05:15,486 Speaker 1: on my hip. And I mean, it's the first three minutes, 103 00:05:15,906 --> 00:05:19,395 Speaker 1: you know, walking into her new home. In the hills 104 00:05:19,426 --> 00:05:23,496 Speaker 1: of Tennessee, my dogs just, you know, they launch themselves 105 00:05:23,716 --> 00:05:24,436 Speaker 1: on the fence. 106 00:05:24,536 --> 00:05:26,275 Speaker 2: Yeah. And you haven't seen them also. 107 00:05:26,356 --> 00:05:29,216 Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, they're just barking like crazy because 108 00:05:29,236 --> 00:05:30,856 Speaker 1: they're like, yay, yay. Our girl is home. 109 00:05:30,916 --> 00:05:31,476 Speaker 2: Our girl is home. 110 00:05:31,976 --> 00:05:34,635 Speaker 1: And all Missy sees are these three dogs. She's been 111 00:05:34,716 --> 00:05:38,676 Speaker 1: told are monsters who are barking. And she interprets that 112 00:05:38,836 --> 00:05:42,755 Speaker 1: as they're trying to get to me. And she just screams, 113 00:05:42,936 --> 00:05:46,726 Speaker 1: crawls at me, is panicked. And so I had friends 114 00:05:46,786 --> 00:05:48,666 Speaker 1: who said, you're going to have to get rid of 115 00:05:48,686 --> 00:05:50,946 Speaker 1: the dogs. And I said, no, we're going to get 116 00:05:50,986 --> 00:05:53,446 Speaker 1: rid of my little girl's fear because I don't want 117 00:05:53,466 --> 00:05:55,626 Speaker 1: Missy to be afraid of dogs. And so I had 118 00:05:55,666 --> 00:05:57,976 Speaker 1: this one dog. I had three at the time. Two 119 00:05:57,996 --> 00:06:02,376 Speaker 1: were crazy, sweet, crazy, manic. And I had one rescue 120 00:06:02,396 --> 00:06:07,056 Speaker 1: dog named Cookie. And the foster care people who were 121 00:06:07,076 --> 00:06:09,836 Speaker 1: working for the animal shelter had named her Cookie because 122 00:06:10,406 --> 00:06:12,825 Speaker 1: she was shaped like a lab, but she had the 123 00:06:12,866 --> 00:06:15,546 Speaker 1: coloring of a Dalmatian. So they said she looks like 124 00:06:15,596 --> 00:06:18,636 Speaker 1: cookies and cream ice cream. She was white with black specks. 125 00:06:19,616 --> 00:06:23,636 Speaker 1: And so Cookie was very, very gentle. And so I 126 00:06:23,656 --> 00:06:27,396 Speaker 1: would bring Cookie in and tell her to lie down. 127 00:06:27,676 --> 00:06:30,596 Speaker 1: And Cookie would lie down and Missy would still be panicked. 128 00:06:31,255 --> 00:06:34,356 Speaker 1: And it took about a month, Arlene, but little by little, 129 00:06:34,996 --> 00:06:38,676 Speaker 1: Missy would inch toward Cookie and Cookie would just lie 130 00:06:38,815 --> 00:06:42,716 Speaker 1: on her back and expose her pink belly. And finally, 131 00:06:42,976 --> 00:06:46,246 Speaker 1: one night, Missy began to rub her belly and Cookie, 132 00:06:46,286 --> 00:06:48,986 Speaker 1: just her tongue rolled out of her mouth, you know, 133 00:06:49,146 --> 00:06:53,026 Speaker 1: and she just was like, I am in just glory 134 00:06:53,046 --> 00:06:56,126 Speaker 1: to have this precious little kid finally rubbing my belly. 135 00:06:56,166 --> 00:07:00,586 Speaker 1: And Missy started to laugh. And, and she finally, Missy 136 00:07:00,626 --> 00:07:03,846 Speaker 1: still doesn't like big dogs, but she loves our dogs. 137 00:07:04,486 --> 00:07:07,265 Speaker 1: But I said, I think it was partly Cookie's name 138 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:11,366 Speaker 1: because that was one of the few English words Missy knew. 139 00:07:11,966 --> 00:07:17,456 Speaker 1: And she associated Cookie with sweetness. She knew she liked cookies. 140 00:07:18,056 --> 00:07:20,456 Speaker 1: And there's something in a name, there's something in a 141 00:07:20,616 --> 00:07:25,436 Speaker 1: word that's usually evocative for us. And I think sometimes 142 00:07:25,596 --> 00:07:31,206 Speaker 1: theological words, because they sound academic, almost tend to put 143 00:07:31,726 --> 00:07:35,826 Speaker 1: distance between us and the concept they represent. And so 144 00:07:35,866 --> 00:07:38,426 Speaker 1: I thought, man, I'd love to write just a little 145 00:07:38,506 --> 00:07:42,156 Speaker 1: layman's dictionary about was some of these big words that 146 00:07:42,376 --> 00:07:48,306 Speaker 1: sound off-putting and talk about the concept behind the word, 147 00:07:48,386 --> 00:07:52,686 Speaker 1: because theology was never meant to be just accruing information 148 00:07:52,726 --> 00:07:55,286 Speaker 1: about God. Theology was meant to be lived. You know, 149 00:07:55,366 --> 00:08:01,096 Speaker 1: even the word theology, theos means God, logos means words 150 00:08:01,256 --> 00:08:06,136 Speaker 1: or conversations. So at its core, basic definition of theology 151 00:08:06,396 --> 00:08:09,096 Speaker 1: is exactly what you and I are doing. It's having 152 00:08:09,116 --> 00:08:13,616 Speaker 1: a conversation about God. And so I love taking kind 153 00:08:13,636 --> 00:08:17,256 Speaker 1: of the proverbial cookies that are really hard to understand 154 00:08:17,836 --> 00:08:20,936 Speaker 1: that I learned in seminary and putting those on a 155 00:08:20,956 --> 00:08:25,416 Speaker 1: lower shelf, not dumbing them down, just helping people go, oh, 156 00:08:25,456 --> 00:08:29,536 Speaker 1: these are not only accessible terms. This is about intimacy 157 00:08:29,576 --> 00:08:31,996 Speaker 1: with Jesus and real community with everybody else. 158 00:08:32,626 --> 00:08:34,686 Speaker 3: It's like such a bridge and something not to be 159 00:08:34,726 --> 00:08:36,866 Speaker 3: afraid of that we think, well, that's for the scholars. 160 00:08:36,926 --> 00:08:39,106 Speaker 3: That's for the people with the time. It's like, no, 161 00:08:39,186 --> 00:08:40,486 Speaker 3: this is for everyone. 162 00:08:40,506 --> 00:08:41,186 Speaker 1: That's right. 163 00:08:41,346 --> 00:08:46,516 Speaker 2: Let's go with anthropomorphism. Let's make a cookie out of 164 00:08:46,556 --> 00:08:47,196 Speaker 2: this word. 165 00:08:47,476 --> 00:08:49,636 Speaker 3: So if your kid sees this word and is like, 166 00:08:49,856 --> 00:08:51,256 Speaker 3: what is this, mom? 167 00:08:51,596 --> 00:08:54,656 Speaker 1: It's one of the first words in this little kind 168 00:08:54,756 --> 00:08:59,116 Speaker 1: of theology for the rest of us. And you don't 169 00:08:59,256 --> 00:09:02,996 Speaker 1: have to know the word. I want to just reiterate that. 170 00:09:03,016 --> 00:09:04,096 Speaker 1: You don't have to know it. You don't have to 171 00:09:04,286 --> 00:09:05,986 Speaker 1: spell it. You don't have to use it in Scrabble. 172 00:09:06,766 --> 00:09:13,206 Speaker 1: Nothing about the word. But anthropomorphism comes from ascribing human 173 00:09:13,286 --> 00:09:19,296 Speaker 1: characteristics to something that is not human. In the Christian context, 174 00:09:19,316 --> 00:09:25,466 Speaker 1: that would be using human language to try to describe God. Well, 175 00:09:25,506 --> 00:09:28,266 Speaker 1: all we have is human language. So there's nothing in 176 00:09:28,506 --> 00:09:32,636 Speaker 1: and of that that's wrong. What's wrong is when we 177 00:09:32,656 --> 00:09:35,536 Speaker 1: kind of make God smaller than he is by using 178 00:09:35,596 --> 00:09:39,026 Speaker 1: human metaphors. And so you'll hear people say, you know, 179 00:09:39,226 --> 00:09:42,216 Speaker 1: God is my co-pilot. And I'm like, well, your plane's 180 00:09:42,276 --> 00:09:45,836 Speaker 1: in trouble. God is your co-pilot. He's not your co-pilot. 181 00:09:46,336 --> 00:09:51,286 Speaker 1: God breathes, sustains and redeems the universe that as we 182 00:09:51,316 --> 00:09:53,786 Speaker 1: know it in the universe, we can't know. And so 183 00:09:53,826 --> 00:09:56,706 Speaker 1: he's not just our co-pilot. He better be flying the plane. 184 00:09:57,206 --> 00:10:00,246 Speaker 1: And so most of it is innocuous. But when you 185 00:10:00,346 --> 00:10:03,856 Speaker 1: hear people use little words to describe an infinite God, 186 00:10:04,036 --> 00:10:08,056 Speaker 1: sometimes that gets us in trouble theologically. Here's the cool 187 00:10:08,096 --> 00:10:13,446 Speaker 1: thing about anthropomorphic though. God himself in the word of 188 00:10:13,546 --> 00:10:17,806 Speaker 1: God that was breathed by God. Paul actually, I'm sure 189 00:10:17,846 --> 00:10:19,206 Speaker 1: you know this, Paul had to come up with a 190 00:10:19,236 --> 00:10:26,316 Speaker 1: new word to describe the Bible, theonoustos, God breathes. That's 191 00:10:26,376 --> 00:10:30,156 Speaker 1: just incredible. It was in 1 Timothy. But anyway, this 192 00:10:30,296 --> 00:10:33,996 Speaker 1: divine love story, God breathed, our God is so kind 193 00:10:34,016 --> 00:10:39,916 Speaker 1: and that he actually used anthropomorphisms about himself. And so 194 00:10:39,996 --> 00:10:44,216 Speaker 1: you hear David saying, with his fingers. Well, we don't 195 00:10:44,256 --> 00:10:47,376 Speaker 1: know if God has fingers or not. So I think 196 00:10:47,436 --> 00:10:50,336 Speaker 1: how kind of God he describes himself as a mother hen, 197 00:10:50,836 --> 00:10:55,526 Speaker 1: caring for her children. So I think even God deigns 198 00:10:55,646 --> 00:10:58,946 Speaker 1: to use terminology to bridge the gap with us. And 199 00:10:59,086 --> 00:11:06,276 Speaker 1: I think even words themselves, Arlene, God is... Absolutely transcendent. 200 00:11:07,216 --> 00:11:10,316 Speaker 1: So he could reveal himself to us in any way 201 00:11:10,416 --> 00:11:14,596 Speaker 1: he wanted. God could have used whale songs. You and 202 00:11:14,656 --> 00:11:18,826 Speaker 1: I could gather at a worship service, and after we sing, 203 00:11:19,266 --> 00:11:22,306 Speaker 1: we could look at screens and watch a graph of 204 00:11:22,346 --> 00:11:25,866 Speaker 1: whale songs. They're very intricate. They have these whole languages. 205 00:11:26,326 --> 00:11:28,386 Speaker 1: And you and I could look at those whale songs 206 00:11:28,466 --> 00:11:31,666 Speaker 1: and think, how do I commune with a holy God 207 00:11:31,746 --> 00:11:35,996 Speaker 1: based on whale songs? But he didn't. He told stories. 208 00:11:36,336 --> 00:11:42,236 Speaker 1: He used words that we could connect to. So anthropomorphism, anthropomorphic, 209 00:11:42,256 --> 00:11:45,296 Speaker 1: kind of a double-edged sword. Don't make your words about 210 00:11:45,336 --> 00:11:48,866 Speaker 1: God so small. And don't use words to put God 211 00:11:48,906 --> 00:11:51,886 Speaker 1: in a box. Our infinite, glorious God is bigger than 212 00:11:51,946 --> 00:11:55,706 Speaker 1: our finite minds can articulate. But rest in the fact 213 00:11:55,746 --> 00:12:00,516 Speaker 1: that that great transcendent God even used terms that we 214 00:12:00,556 --> 00:12:04,536 Speaker 1: can understand So that we could connect with him. So 215 00:12:04,956 --> 00:12:08,096 Speaker 1: that's anthropomorphic. 216 00:12:09,696 --> 00:12:12,816 Speaker 3: In the book, you quoted Blaise Pascal, who God made 217 00:12:12,856 --> 00:12:15,936 Speaker 3: man in his own image and man returned the compliment. 218 00:12:16,096 --> 00:12:19,376 Speaker 3: So don't do that. And then the first three letters 219 00:12:19,416 --> 00:12:23,206 Speaker 3: of that word you point out, A-N-T, anthropomorphic. you know, 220 00:12:23,386 --> 00:12:25,956 Speaker 3: remember we are aunts, we're small, less I make God 221 00:12:25,996 --> 00:12:26,516 Speaker 3: too small. 222 00:12:26,716 --> 00:12:27,096 Speaker 1: I am small. 223 00:12:27,116 --> 00:12:29,936 Speaker 3: And in making myself small and God big and in 224 00:12:30,076 --> 00:12:34,736 Speaker 3: family life doing that, that doesn't diminish our children. That 225 00:12:34,856 --> 00:12:39,076 Speaker 3: shows them you are loved by this exalted, awesome. 226 00:12:39,256 --> 00:12:40,096 Speaker 2: Holy God. 227 00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:43,506 Speaker 3: And the smaller we get and the bigger God gets, 228 00:12:44,166 --> 00:12:45,106 Speaker 3: you know, all our cares. 229 00:12:45,166 --> 00:12:48,766 Speaker 1: It does. It shows you a very intimate, but a 230 00:12:49,446 --> 00:12:52,976 Speaker 1: a very familial relationship. I love that God uses words 231 00:12:53,036 --> 00:12:56,376 Speaker 1: of family. And I think that the positive thing about 232 00:12:56,536 --> 00:13:03,096 Speaker 1: anthropomorphic or anthropomorphisms is that we can use analogies to 233 00:13:03,436 --> 00:13:06,346 Speaker 1: understand more of who God is and who he's called 234 00:13:06,406 --> 00:13:10,366 Speaker 1: us to be. But every human analogy will fail at 235 00:13:10,406 --> 00:13:14,226 Speaker 1: some point. He's bigger than our words and our analogies. 236 00:13:14,286 --> 00:13:17,026 Speaker 1: So I would just say, make sure when you're, When 237 00:13:17,036 --> 00:13:19,986 Speaker 1: you're listening to somebody preach and use an analogy about God, 238 00:13:20,126 --> 00:13:22,006 Speaker 1: or you're listening to a podcast and they use an 239 00:13:22,026 --> 00:13:25,766 Speaker 1: analogy about God, go, oh, that's kind of a bridge 240 00:13:26,226 --> 00:13:29,486 Speaker 1: that helps me get to a better understanding of who 241 00:13:29,526 --> 00:13:33,606 Speaker 1: God is. But that doesn't encapsulate all. Yes. 242 00:13:34,186 --> 00:13:39,476 Speaker 2: Yeah. So let's say Missy says, Mama, I don't understand 243 00:13:39,516 --> 00:13:40,176 Speaker 2: the Trinity. 244 00:13:40,396 --> 00:13:43,656 Speaker 3: Jesus is here and God, the Father is in heaven, 245 00:13:43,996 --> 00:13:45,076 Speaker 3: but they're always together. 246 00:13:45,196 --> 00:13:45,846 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 247 00:13:46,036 --> 00:13:50,396 Speaker 1: What do you say? I mean, honestly, I would go, honey, 248 00:13:50,436 --> 00:13:54,436 Speaker 1: I don't either. Anybody. And from the beginning of theology, 249 00:13:54,476 --> 00:13:57,846 Speaker 1: from the beginning of Christian history 2,000 years ago, the 250 00:13:58,026 --> 00:14:01,886 Speaker 1: Trinity has never been perfectly explained. Because again, that's a 251 00:14:02,026 --> 00:14:05,296 Speaker 1: concept so divine, so huge. Yeah. that it's hard for 252 00:14:05,316 --> 00:14:07,886 Speaker 1: us to wrap our finite minds around, but I'll tell 253 00:14:07,906 --> 00:14:10,886 Speaker 1: you this about the Trinity that I love. Stop and 254 00:14:10,966 --> 00:14:16,146 Speaker 1: think that our Creator Redeemer exists in perfect community, St. 255 00:14:16,166 --> 00:14:20,966 Speaker 1: Augustine said, unto Himself. God the Father, God the Son, 256 00:14:21,466 --> 00:14:28,366 Speaker 1: God the Holy Spirit. Anthropomorphically, there's ontology in that God 257 00:14:28,606 --> 00:14:35,036 Speaker 1: is absolutely equal in substance. That term is homoousis, same substance. 258 00:14:35,516 --> 00:14:37,136 Speaker 1: So you've got God, the Father, God, the Son, God, 259 00:14:37,156 --> 00:14:39,236 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. And then people go into this real 260 00:14:39,376 --> 00:14:41,996 Speaker 1: academic route. And I go, wait a minute, wait a minute. 261 00:14:42,096 --> 00:14:46,036 Speaker 1: Let's stop at the practical. The practical is our God 262 00:14:46,076 --> 00:14:50,786 Speaker 1: doesn't just mandate community. He models it. So to me, 263 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:54,726 Speaker 1: the most glorious thing about the Trinity is loneliness came 264 00:14:54,786 --> 00:14:58,406 Speaker 1: with the fall. The Trinity, you don't have to understand 265 00:14:58,746 --> 00:15:00,966 Speaker 1: every nuance of the Trinity. I'm telling you, the more 266 00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:04,836 Speaker 1: you dive in, the more you'll go, what a glorious God, 267 00:15:04,876 --> 00:15:09,716 Speaker 1: what a good God, as you've already said. But if 268 00:15:09,796 --> 00:15:15,026 Speaker 1: you just take away from the Trinity, oh, God actually 269 00:15:15,066 --> 00:15:19,306 Speaker 1: designed me for community. He lives in community. Loneliness is 270 00:15:19,366 --> 00:15:24,006 Speaker 1: not part of how God designed creation. That to me 271 00:15:24,086 --> 00:15:27,226 Speaker 1: is one of the most basic takeaways we can pull 272 00:15:27,306 --> 00:15:30,806 Speaker 1: from the Trinity. And then you already jumped to hypostatic union. 273 00:15:31,446 --> 00:15:33,956 Speaker 1: You know, Jesus, I talk to Missy about this all 274 00:15:33,976 --> 00:15:36,236 Speaker 1: the time. Well, I'll tell you a quick story. 275 00:15:36,296 --> 00:15:38,176 Speaker 2: Yeah, give us like how you talk to. 276 00:15:38,116 --> 00:15:40,296 Speaker 1: Missy about this. I was at a women's conference that 277 00:15:40,336 --> 00:15:44,256 Speaker 1: I did not want to go to last year. And 278 00:15:44,276 --> 00:15:46,876 Speaker 1: you know how those are when you're just tired and 279 00:15:46,896 --> 00:15:49,556 Speaker 1: you're like, I just, I can't do perky. I don't 280 00:15:49,616 --> 00:15:51,616 Speaker 1: want to wear a sweater set. I just want to 281 00:15:51,656 --> 00:15:55,306 Speaker 1: stay home with Ben and Jerry and watch. But a 282 00:15:55,316 --> 00:15:57,686 Speaker 1: friend of mine was doing this. It was an evening 283 00:15:57,766 --> 00:16:00,406 Speaker 1: women's worship gathering. And I thought, well, just because she's 284 00:16:00,426 --> 00:16:03,306 Speaker 1: doing it, I'll go. And it was fine. Worship was great. 285 00:16:03,326 --> 00:16:05,466 Speaker 1: It was fine. But by the end of it, I 286 00:16:05,486 --> 00:16:07,706 Speaker 1: was kind of like, I'm ready to get home, you know, 287 00:16:07,796 --> 00:16:11,536 Speaker 1: and get in elastic waist pants. And at the very end, 288 00:16:11,636 --> 00:16:13,436 Speaker 1: she said, you know, we talk so much in Christian 289 00:16:13,456 --> 00:16:17,016 Speaker 1: culture about praying for each other, but we don't always 290 00:16:17,156 --> 00:16:22,826 Speaker 1: stop in that moment and actually practice the posture of prayer. 291 00:16:23,366 --> 00:16:25,086 Speaker 1: So she said, before we leave, we're going to have 292 00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:30,066 Speaker 1: some actual prayer. And she said, are any of you 293 00:16:30,126 --> 00:16:31,106 Speaker 1: struggling with loneliness? 294 00:16:31,126 --> 00:16:31,196 Speaker 3: Yes. 295 00:16:32,206 --> 00:16:35,406 Speaker 1: And she said, if you're struggling with loneliness, this is Nashville, Tennessee, 296 00:16:35,466 --> 00:16:37,526 Speaker 1: where I live. So you've got a lot of women 297 00:16:37,566 --> 00:16:40,106 Speaker 1: with quilted Bible covers and crop pants who come to 298 00:16:40,146 --> 00:16:44,236 Speaker 1: Bible studies. And that's wonderful. But in the southeastern U.S., 299 00:16:45,326 --> 00:16:48,596 Speaker 1: more so than California, I think sometimes we tend to 300 00:16:48,636 --> 00:16:51,836 Speaker 1: try to pretend like we have it all together. So 301 00:16:51,876 --> 00:16:53,496 Speaker 1: most of these women look like they had it all together. 302 00:16:54,336 --> 00:16:58,116 Speaker 1: And when she said, if you're lonely, you could tell 303 00:16:58,156 --> 00:17:01,736 Speaker 1: that resonated. But then she said, would you stand up? 304 00:17:02,336 --> 00:17:03,936 Speaker 1: So we could pray for you. And I thought, wow, 305 00:17:03,976 --> 00:17:07,755 Speaker 1: that's legit. She's actually having women not just say, oh, 306 00:17:07,816 --> 00:17:12,776 Speaker 1: I'm lonely, but she's having them stand. And there's a 307 00:17:12,836 --> 00:17:16,366 Speaker 1: sacrifice in that. That's vulnerable. And so I was on 308 00:17:16,386 --> 00:17:18,226 Speaker 1: the front row. There are probably 500 women there. There's 309 00:17:18,246 --> 00:17:20,666 Speaker 1: a woman, maybe 10 people down from me who stands up. 310 00:17:21,366 --> 00:17:23,666 Speaker 1: And I thought, well, I don't bring that much to 311 00:17:23,686 --> 00:17:26,025 Speaker 1: the body of Christ, but I can hug like a boss. 312 00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:26,955 Speaker 1: And I'm 63. 313 00:17:26,946 --> 00:17:27,045 Speaker 3: Yeah. 314 00:17:28,465 --> 00:17:30,205 Speaker 1: And so, you know, when you've got somebody as old 315 00:17:30,265 --> 00:17:32,085 Speaker 1: as me, I can kind of hug anybody and it's 316 00:17:32,146 --> 00:17:35,126 Speaker 1: pretty neutral. And so I thought, I'm just going to 317 00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,606 Speaker 1: Nana hug her. You know, I'm just going to go 318 00:17:36,646 --> 00:17:39,366 Speaker 1: bear hug this woman because goodness gracious, she's already confessed 319 00:17:39,386 --> 00:17:41,345 Speaker 1: she's lonely and she's on the front row by herself. 320 00:17:42,346 --> 00:17:43,846 Speaker 1: So I make a beeline for this woman and I 321 00:17:43,886 --> 00:17:46,716 Speaker 1: hug her and, and, and, you know, I don't know 322 00:17:46,735 --> 00:17:48,875 Speaker 1: her from Adam and I kind of hug her real hard. 323 00:17:48,936 --> 00:17:51,376 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking it'll just be a two or three 324 00:17:51,396 --> 00:17:54,875 Speaker 1: minute hug because I know the woman who's praying. And 325 00:17:54,975 --> 00:17:58,025 Speaker 1: she's very godly, but concise. I don't have that gift. 326 00:17:58,086 --> 00:17:59,286 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a two or three 327 00:17:59,306 --> 00:18:04,356 Speaker 1: minute prayer. Evidently, she was catching up on her reading 328 00:18:04,396 --> 00:18:06,076 Speaker 1: through the Bible in a year plan because the prayer 329 00:18:06,116 --> 00:18:08,916 Speaker 1: just went on and on and on. And so what 330 00:18:08,955 --> 00:18:11,436 Speaker 1: had started out as really sweet was starting to get 331 00:18:11,515 --> 00:18:14,696 Speaker 1: really awkward because I'm just bear hugging this stranger and 332 00:18:14,715 --> 00:18:17,096 Speaker 1: it was a tight room. I couldn't back up. My 333 00:18:17,176 --> 00:18:19,315 Speaker 1: legs were against the stage and she couldn't back up 334 00:18:19,336 --> 00:18:21,765 Speaker 1: because of the row. And so I got kind of 335 00:18:21,806 --> 00:18:25,325 Speaker 1: tickled because I thought, okay, I've now been like accosting 336 00:18:25,366 --> 00:18:28,546 Speaker 1: her for eight minutes. You know, we were both hot 337 00:18:28,725 --> 00:18:30,646 Speaker 1: because the room was hot. We were wearing sweaters. We 338 00:18:30,666 --> 00:18:33,866 Speaker 1: were like stuck from stem to stern. And I thought 339 00:18:33,906 --> 00:18:35,676 Speaker 1: I need to back up and just tell her I'm, 340 00:18:36,076 --> 00:18:38,545 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, instead of encouraging you, I'm probably going to 341 00:18:38,566 --> 00:18:41,605 Speaker 1: send you reeling into therapy. And so I back up, 342 00:18:41,646 --> 00:18:44,225 Speaker 1: we're both kind of tickled and she says, I'm sorry. 343 00:18:44,985 --> 00:18:46,005 Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh no, no, no, you don't 344 00:18:46,025 --> 00:18:47,776 Speaker 1: have to be sorry. This is my favorite part. She goes, no, 345 00:18:47,876 --> 00:18:49,696 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. And I was like, Oh no, woman's 346 00:18:49,715 --> 00:18:51,816 Speaker 1: still praying. I said, no, no, no, that's, that's fine. 347 00:18:51,836 --> 00:18:54,876 Speaker 1: That's fine. And she goes, no, I'm really sorry. Because 348 00:18:54,916 --> 00:18:57,075 Speaker 1: she had been sobbing when I hugged her. She was 349 00:18:57,096 --> 00:18:59,626 Speaker 1: just sobbing. And she said, I got a big glob 350 00:18:59,686 --> 00:19:04,836 Speaker 1: of snot. And I, I was just so startled. It 351 00:19:04,876 --> 00:19:06,536 Speaker 1: kind of tickled and grossed out at the same time. 352 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:08,775 Speaker 1: And then they called me to pray. Of course, I 353 00:19:08,796 --> 00:19:10,855 Speaker 1: couldn't go to the bathroom. So I have, you know, 354 00:19:10,876 --> 00:19:16,316 Speaker 1: it was very visceral, very extra. Well, that night, of course, 355 00:19:16,376 --> 00:19:17,975 Speaker 1: I went home and took a shower. And as I 356 00:19:18,035 --> 00:19:19,765 Speaker 1: step out of the shower and looked in the mirror, 357 00:19:19,985 --> 00:19:25,626 Speaker 1: I went, oh, my goodness gracious. I have been to 358 00:19:25,626 --> 00:19:30,135 Speaker 1: 51 Christian women's gatherings this year. And I think the 359 00:19:30,215 --> 00:19:33,996 Speaker 1: holiest thing I ever had the privilege of experiencing was 360 00:19:34,035 --> 00:19:37,506 Speaker 1: being close enough to another image bearer that they got 361 00:19:37,535 --> 00:19:41,285 Speaker 1: the residue of their heartache in my hair. I thought, 362 00:19:42,025 --> 00:19:46,446 Speaker 1: that's the hypostatic union. Jesus, who is fully God, he 363 00:19:46,465 --> 00:19:48,725 Speaker 1: didn't delete his divinity when he came to earth in 364 00:19:48,745 --> 00:19:52,705 Speaker 1: incarnate form. Jesus, fully God, second member of the Godhead, 365 00:19:52,826 --> 00:19:56,236 Speaker 1: condescended to get close enough to us that we got 366 00:19:56,255 --> 00:19:59,715 Speaker 1: the residue of our heartache. In his hair and on 367 00:19:59,755 --> 00:20:02,696 Speaker 1: his hands and on his feet. And so when I 368 00:20:02,765 --> 00:20:07,556 Speaker 1: talked to Missy about, you hear a term that sounds academic, lawfully, 369 00:20:07,775 --> 00:20:12,096 Speaker 1: hypostatic union. I said, baby, what that means is Jesus 370 00:20:12,255 --> 00:20:15,535 Speaker 1: is the king of all kings and he's closer than 371 00:20:15,576 --> 00:20:18,906 Speaker 1: your next breath. He will hold you when you cry. 372 00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:22,746 Speaker 1: So again, I just, I'm kind of on a mission 373 00:20:22,785 --> 00:20:28,325 Speaker 1: to help people understand that theology, theological terminology is It 374 00:20:28,426 --> 00:20:31,626 Speaker 1: doesn't put distance between us and God. This is not 375 00:20:31,666 --> 00:20:37,696 Speaker 1: about accumulating cognitive data. It's about leaning more fully into 376 00:20:37,715 --> 00:20:41,495 Speaker 1: the intimacy that God allows us through the work and 377 00:20:41,535 --> 00:20:43,475 Speaker 1: person of Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit. 378 00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:46,856 Speaker 3: Along those lines, my last question for you and friends, 379 00:20:46,916 --> 00:20:48,946 Speaker 3: get theology for the rest of us because you'll be 380 00:20:48,965 --> 00:20:51,166 Speaker 3: able to turn into these big words and you'll be 381 00:20:51,245 --> 00:20:53,386 Speaker 3: able to make them real to yourself and to your 382 00:20:53,426 --> 00:20:54,505 Speaker 3: kids and know God better. 383 00:20:56,626 --> 00:20:57,346 Speaker 2: Two things, actually. 384 00:20:57,446 --> 00:20:58,745 Speaker 3: One thing in the book that you say that I 385 00:20:58,785 --> 00:21:02,796 Speaker 3: love is you ask these questions. What fresh knowledge have 386 00:21:02,816 --> 00:21:05,896 Speaker 3: you gotten out of your Bible reading this week? What 387 00:21:06,015 --> 00:21:09,156 Speaker 3: fresh knowledge has the Holy Spirit revealed to you over 388 00:21:09,215 --> 00:21:13,045 Speaker 3: the past few days? And if nothing comes to mind... 389 00:21:13,176 --> 00:21:16,775 Speaker 3: then you say your system of exegesis of, you know, mining, 390 00:21:16,816 --> 00:21:18,476 Speaker 3: what does the Bible say, you know, kind of seeing 391 00:21:18,495 --> 00:21:22,725 Speaker 3: what there's, what's there needs to be recalibrated or replaced. 392 00:21:22,965 --> 00:21:25,586 Speaker 3: So this is a living, breathing word of God that 393 00:21:25,646 --> 00:21:28,486 Speaker 3: should be speaking to us, kind of help us make 394 00:21:28,525 --> 00:21:31,656 Speaker 3: that bridge between I read it in the Bible and 395 00:21:31,696 --> 00:21:33,295 Speaker 3: now I'm doing it on Monday. 396 00:21:33,316 --> 00:21:37,525 Speaker 1: Well, Arlene, we've, I've had the privilege of being around 397 00:21:37,566 --> 00:21:41,055 Speaker 1: you before. And so you are too kind to say it, 398 00:21:41,106 --> 00:21:43,386 Speaker 1: but you know I'm a windbag. I've got a lot 399 00:21:43,436 --> 00:21:46,196 Speaker 1: of words. I had the privilege of meeting your daughter. 400 00:21:47,196 --> 00:21:49,575 Speaker 1: And when I first brought Missy home from Haiti, I 401 00:21:49,636 --> 00:21:52,655 Speaker 1: just tried to use words to explain God to her. 402 00:21:53,556 --> 00:21:56,376 Speaker 1: And one night I sensed Holy Spirit poking me going, 403 00:21:56,416 --> 00:21:59,825 Speaker 1: don't use so many words. And so, you know, we 404 00:21:59,866 --> 00:22:02,505 Speaker 1: live out in the country. I took her outside. And 405 00:22:02,525 --> 00:22:04,545 Speaker 1: we just laid in the grass and looked up at 406 00:22:04,586 --> 00:22:09,005 Speaker 1: the stars. And I said, baby, you know, God put 407 00:22:09,265 --> 00:22:12,646 Speaker 1: all those stars in the sky and he named them. 408 00:22:12,725 --> 00:22:17,225 Speaker 1: He knows their names. And she went. And I said, baby, 409 00:22:17,265 --> 00:22:21,045 Speaker 1: there's billions with a B of stars behind those stars. 410 00:22:22,066 --> 00:22:23,455 Speaker 1: And he named all of them and put them in 411 00:22:23,475 --> 00:22:29,255 Speaker 1: the sky. And she goes. Oh, and I said, and 412 00:22:29,296 --> 00:22:33,205 Speaker 1: God is so big and so personal. that when your 413 00:22:33,265 --> 00:22:38,946 Speaker 1: first mama died in Haiti, he knew your name and 414 00:22:38,965 --> 00:22:41,866 Speaker 1: he loved you. And he knew there was an old 415 00:22:42,025 --> 00:22:46,965 Speaker 1: white woman in Nashville, Tennessee, who would become your second mama. 416 00:22:47,965 --> 00:22:52,386 Speaker 1: And he connected the dots between us and you because 417 00:22:52,606 --> 00:22:56,085 Speaker 1: infinitely more than the stars, he loves us and he 418 00:22:56,126 --> 00:22:59,305 Speaker 1: knows our names. And that's what it means when the 419 00:22:59,346 --> 00:23:03,096 Speaker 1: Bible says he ordered our steps. And the boundary lines 420 00:23:03,136 --> 00:23:06,916 Speaker 1: he has for us will fall in pleasant places. And so, 421 00:23:06,936 --> 00:23:10,475 Speaker 1: you know, I want my daughter to get how personal 422 00:23:10,636 --> 00:23:14,455 Speaker 1: God is much sooner than I did. I put my 423 00:23:14,495 --> 00:23:17,795 Speaker 1: hope in Jesus when I was a kid, but I 424 00:23:17,816 --> 00:23:23,446 Speaker 1: didn't really trust in the personal, unconditional, intimate love of 425 00:23:23,546 --> 00:23:27,045 Speaker 1: God until I was much older because I just walked 426 00:23:27,205 --> 00:23:29,266 Speaker 1: under a cloud of shame for a long time. So 427 00:23:29,306 --> 00:23:34,126 Speaker 1: I think especially for all the mamas listening, to go 428 00:23:34,235 --> 00:23:38,035 Speaker 1: theology isn't something to make your child or your family smarter. 429 00:23:38,955 --> 00:23:43,495 Speaker 1: Theology is the ellipses of basically us leaning more fully 430 00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:45,316 Speaker 1: into the embrace of God. 431 00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:48,725 Speaker 2: I love it. Of realizing we can put our snot 432 00:23:48,785 --> 00:23:51,326 Speaker 2: in his hair. That's right. That's right. 433 00:23:52,816 --> 00:23:55,995 Speaker 3: Oh, this has been so rich and so beautiful. Lisa, 434 00:23:56,056 --> 00:23:58,776 Speaker 3: how can people find out more about you and more 435 00:23:58,816 --> 00:23:59,676 Speaker 3: about your book? 436 00:23:59,715 --> 00:24:05,706 Speaker 1: That's really, really gracious. I think it's lisaharbor.com. 437 00:24:06,156 --> 00:24:07,035 Speaker 2: Just look around, people. 438 00:24:07,056 --> 00:24:07,705 Speaker 3: You'll find it. 439 00:24:07,806 --> 00:24:09,506 Speaker 1: I think you're in trouble. We'll put it in the 440 00:24:09,525 --> 00:24:11,446 Speaker 1: show notes. Don't you worry. Yeah, put it in the 441 00:24:11,465 --> 00:24:15,705 Speaker 1: show notes. Thank you for the plug for our podcast. 442 00:24:15,826 --> 00:24:18,785 Speaker 1: I love the people. I do a podcast with such 443 00:24:19,386 --> 00:24:23,746 Speaker 1: smart people. who are brilliant at putting these wonderful truisms 444 00:24:23,806 --> 00:24:26,126 Speaker 1: about God now when she loves us in a way 445 00:24:26,176 --> 00:24:28,655 Speaker 1: we can wrap our arms around them. So thank you 446 00:24:28,696 --> 00:24:32,936 Speaker 1: for that. But yeah, if you see a loud... woman 447 00:24:33,096 --> 00:24:36,315 Speaker 1: who loves chips and queso talking about Jesus on social media. 448 00:24:36,336 --> 00:24:37,225 Speaker 1: That might be me. 449 00:24:37,606 --> 00:24:39,666 Speaker 3: That you would love so much, who I believe would 450 00:24:39,765 --> 00:24:41,225 Speaker 3: also be in the cold plunge. 451 00:24:41,285 --> 00:24:42,146 Speaker 2: Am I right about that? 452 00:24:42,166 --> 00:24:46,446 Speaker 1: Do you know, I'm a very irresponsible cold plunger. 453 00:24:46,465 --> 00:24:48,285 Speaker 2: That's how I am. I have a cold plunge in 454 00:24:48,326 --> 00:24:49,176 Speaker 2: our back because of my husband. 455 00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:51,285 Speaker 1: Do you do it every day? No, not at all. 456 00:24:51,296 --> 00:24:51,696 Speaker 1: Me neither. 457 00:24:51,916 --> 00:24:53,416 Speaker 2: I do it once in a while and I just 458 00:24:53,436 --> 00:24:54,736 Speaker 2: kind of dip in and dip out. 459 00:24:55,136 --> 00:24:57,295 Speaker 3: And my husband's always like, you've got to sit in 460 00:24:57,336 --> 00:24:58,995 Speaker 3: there and I just dip in and dip out. 461 00:24:59,546 --> 00:25:02,245 Speaker 1: Levi Lusko is like a little brother to me and 462 00:25:02,306 --> 00:25:05,845 Speaker 1: he is just, he is like evangelistic about cold plunging. 463 00:25:05,926 --> 00:25:07,805 Speaker 1: And so I tried to do it for a long time. 464 00:25:07,826 --> 00:25:10,365 Speaker 1: And then I was like, I think I'm just going to, 465 00:25:10,406 --> 00:25:12,955 Speaker 1: somebody told me you get some of the benefits of 466 00:25:12,995 --> 00:25:16,275 Speaker 1: you just take a cold shower. So I just, in 467 00:25:16,316 --> 00:25:18,656 Speaker 1: the morning I take a hot shower and then I 468 00:25:18,836 --> 00:25:21,395 Speaker 1: end cold. Also that's supposed to help with the conditioner 469 00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:23,305 Speaker 1: in your hair. So now I'm, I'm more of a, 470 00:25:23,876 --> 00:25:26,255 Speaker 1: I'm a momentary cold plunge girl. 471 00:25:26,356 --> 00:25:28,816 Speaker 3: And now you guys got some extra tips on what 472 00:25:28,856 --> 00:25:29,356 Speaker 3: to do. 473 00:25:29,515 --> 00:25:32,256 Speaker 2: Thank you for helping us plunge into the word of God. 474 00:25:32,275 --> 00:25:34,616 Speaker 1: That was a good segue. You like that? 475 00:25:34,636 --> 00:25:36,186 Speaker 3: You like that? That was very good. 476 00:25:36,205 --> 00:25:40,386 Speaker 1: You are quick, baby. You must be caffeinated today. That 477 00:25:40,406 --> 00:25:41,006 Speaker 1: was awesome. 478 00:25:41,745 --> 00:25:43,645 Speaker 2: Oh, Lisa, love you so much. Thanks so much. 479 00:25:43,505 --> 00:25:46,066 Speaker 1: For your time. Hey, hug your, hug your daughter for me. 480 00:25:46,225 --> 00:25:51,235 Speaker 3: I will. I hope you've enjoyed today's conversation. I'd love 481 00:25:51,255 --> 00:25:53,096 Speaker 3: to keep in touch beyond this podcast. 482 00:25:53,626 --> 00:25:54,946 Speaker 2: Click subscribe in. 483 00:25:54,866 --> 00:25:57,265 Speaker 3: The show notes and I will give you my latest 484 00:25:57,386 --> 00:26:01,125 Speaker 3: email to keep up on what's happening with technology and kids. 485 00:26:01,705 --> 00:26:04,525 Speaker 2: And maybe you like reading or listening to books. 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