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Speaker 1: All right, Kelvin mccallough, glad to be with you. Thank

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Speaker 1: cold week for much of the country. I know that

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Speaker 1: dot com is where you go for all things uh.

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Speaker 1: Today President Trump.

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Speaker 2: Was in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: He's kicking off his campaign efforts for the midterms. No,

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Speaker 6: Take a listen, all right, thank you for pray.

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Speaker 2: For more and just pray for a flash principalities.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, And that's what wanted. That's what somebody wanted to

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Speaker 1: do when the President came through the diner. And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to guess, in about a thousand percentage chance of

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Speaker 1: being one right, that that person is a conservative, that

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Speaker 1: cares about the integrity and the people of our country,

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Speaker 1: he say to the President? Can I pray for you?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't demonize his enemies. He doesn't. He doesn't say, oh,

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Speaker 1: contrast that with another thing that I saw within seconds

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Speaker 7: Let's get them where they eat. Somebody is not going

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Speaker 7: to be supporting these guys. Where's the hotel where they eat?

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Speaker 7: Who makes that breakfast? Let's find them, you know, let's

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Speaker 1: Even though he came illegally, they did not deport him.

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Speaker 1: The other guy had some spots, but cooperated. They sent

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Speaker 1: Uncoordinated ways. They are truly going after the criminals and

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Speaker 7: She'd got me poison ivy is an oak in their yard.

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Speaker 7: Aimame for faces. Hands, get good and wet. That might

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Speaker 9: Here?

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Speaker 5: He is from New York. That is Kevin McCulla.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Kevin mccullaugh, that Kevin Show.

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Speaker 10: Awesome, awesome, Well, the Lord knows what we need right always,

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Speaker 10: So yes, we're talking about Relatians Chapter five, verse twenty

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Speaker 3: But the fruit of the Spirit.

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Speaker 10: Is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, control.

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Speaker 3: Against such there is no law.

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Speaker 10: And so I said previously before this is this is

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Speaker 10: So peace is really the is an inner quietness and settledness.

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Speaker 10: It's really God's peace that he gives us. It's his

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Speaker 10: The peace of God is on guard, surrounding us, protecting

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Speaker 10: the peace of God keeps.

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Speaker 10: It produces a calmness to our emotions and our thoughts.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm really convicted, Pastor Steve, because now I

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you brother, You got it.

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Speaker 1: Steven Owens from Mount Calvary Baptist Church in the Cleveland area.

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough coming right back on that Kevin show.

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Speaker 2: Let's stick around for.

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Speaker 5: More of that Kevin next time.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Here he is from New York.

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Speaker 2: That Kevin.

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Speaker 5: Kevin McCullough, welcome.

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Speaker 2: Back to Times Square.

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Speaker 1: It's Kevin mcckella. That kevinshow dot com for everything related

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Speaker 1: to it, And that former ambassador Carla Sands is back

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Speaker 1: with us from the America First Policy Institute, one of

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Speaker 1: the ambassadors there doing a great job on a number

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Speaker 1: thank you because it was you about a year ago,

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Speaker 1: first time we talked about it, we were hearing Donald

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Speaker 9: So far, Keaven, It's unbelievable because now we're living at

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Speaker 9: every day, and I'm really excited that He's put this

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Speaker 9: And so this is a great moment for the United

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Speaker 9: don't screw this up.

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Speaker 1: Well, if we're behind in the race and we don't

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Speaker 1: that gets elected should be concerned about those things and

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Speaker 1: working to bolster those defenses. But sadly, that has not

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Speaker 1: been a priority of many of the administrations in the past,

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Speaker 1: including Republican administrations. We've been so focused on, you know,

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Speaker 1: partially an ideologue, and I think when you put that

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Speaker 1: the Danes, i'd be thankful that the US wants to

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Speaker 2: But who knows what that's really at.

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Carlo SAMs, Let's take quick sands, Let's take a

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Speaker 1: quick break, and when we come back, the Big Beautiful

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Speaker 1: Bill has kicked off January one. There are lots of

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Speaker 1: benefits to it, but what are the most important ones

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Speaker 1: from your perspective. We'll talk about that next time.

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Speaker 5: Here he is from New York. That Kevin Kevin McCullough,

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Speaker 5: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: catch up on some of the stuff that you missed.

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Speaker 1: Always there, never behind a paywall. We want to make

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Speaker 1: to the thirty two New Cities program directors radio stations

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Speaker 1: that picked up that Kevin show in the month of January.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a new report of people that are picking

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Speaker 1: us up in February. But I'm just grateful for every

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Speaker 1: on your airwaves. We pray we will not let you

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Speaker 1: down in that ambition every single day. Ambassador Carla SAMs

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Speaker 1: she oversees a number of activities there. And Carla, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's a single part of American governance that

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Speaker 1: doesn't get impacted pretty nicely from the benefits of the

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Speaker 1: One Big Beautiful Bill. But there are some things that

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Speaker 9: That's right, Kevin. It's very exciting what President Trump and

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Speaker 9: the Republican Congress got done toward the end of last

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Speaker 9: year if they passed the One Big Beautiful Bill. And

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Speaker 9: this year we will feel the benefits of bigger refunds.

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Speaker 9: When we get our tax refund check, it should be

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Speaker 9: substantially larger than last year's. But it also you probably

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Speaker 9: already heard about the no tax on tips, no tax

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Speaker 9: on overtime, and no tax for Social Security. But there's

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Speaker 9: a lot of other benefits that they really worked hard

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Speaker 9: to build in for every American taxpayer. Things like if

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Speaker 9: can write off the interest on the loan, which I

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Speaker 9: can remember that as a young woman having that benefit,

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Speaker 9: but it did go away. Well it's back. And then

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Speaker 9: also well, if you're a small business owner or a

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Speaker 9: medium sized business owner and you're buying equipment while President

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Speaker 9: Trump is I think it's been actually codified. If you

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Speaker 9: buy equipment, you can write it all off in the

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Speaker 9: first year. You don't have to write it off over

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Speaker 9: thirty years like sometimes it's been. We had to expense

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Speaker 9: So it's a tremendous benefit people that are growing their businesses.

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Speaker 9: And one thing in there that I especially love because

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Speaker 9: we love our babies, is that every year that President

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Speaker 9: Trump is in office, there will be an account for

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Speaker 9: your baby. You just have to apply for it. One

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Speaker 9: thousand dollars in a special account that they can you

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Speaker 9: that money when they turn eighteen. So we could be

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Speaker 9: used to start a business, buy something, a down payment

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Speaker 9: the maximum in or their employer will help, you can

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Speaker 9: always ask if your employer will contribute. And there are

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Speaker 9: philanthropists they're putting billions of dollars into these accounts as well.

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Speaker 9: You can build it up to quite a nice nest

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Speaker 9: day that's in the six figures. So that is for

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Speaker 9: me like so exciting that you get like a baby benefit.

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Speaker 1: Well, to me, it makes sense because if we are

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Speaker 1: move in that direction. That could be a huge benefit

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Speaker 1: make it a totally government only kind of endeavor. This

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Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that a generous, compassionate society

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Speaker 1: should be thinking, proactively, voluntarily, how do we make this

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Speaker 1: better for ourselves without the government's force of a gun

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Speaker 1: good ever comes out of that just look at what

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with in Minnesota right now. What does do

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Speaker 1: got thoughts on it. There are a lot of young

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump basically says, look, two out of every three

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Speaker 9: It's true of points is you don't have to only contribute.

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Speaker 9: We talked about that a little bit. But you can

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Speaker 9: ask your parents, the grandparents of this wonderful baby to contribute,

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Speaker 9: or a rich aunt. Anyone can contribute. There's no rules

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Speaker 9: around that. But and you mentioned the school lunches. I

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Speaker 9: food and they're going to revolutionize. This is a revolution

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Speaker 9: and it's such a blessing for ourselves and our kids.

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Speaker 9: The school lunches and the military food programs are now

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Speaker 9: going to be serving tasty, healthy food, not this kind

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Speaker 9: of non food process stuff that I mean, I would

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Speaker 9: but you have to be able to get to get

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Speaker 9: access and they're working on that as well. And I

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Speaker 9: is so extraordinary. That our blue collar workers have the

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Speaker 9: highest increase in their incomes of any group. It's over

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Speaker 9: we'll see how it goes into twenty twenty six. But

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Speaker 9: And as for the gig economy, I think that the

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Speaker 9: as much work as they as they want to the

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Speaker 9: hours they want. They don't want those people doing that.

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Speaker 9: They want them employed so they can you know, control

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Speaker 9: them that way or on social welfare, right, they don't

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Speaker 9: They don't. And so I'm really pleased that President Trump

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Speaker 9: And it allows women to either have the extra time

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Speaker 9: or maybe even homeschool. This is a virtuous it's a

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Speaker 9: virtuous administration setting up options and opportunities for all American citizens.

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Speaker 1: On every front, on every front that it looks at

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Speaker 1: it it does exactly that. Ambassador Sands, thank you. We'll

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Speaker 9: Great to be with you, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me call it coming right

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Speaker 1: back from New York, unkaway.

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Speaker 12: Stick around for more of Kevin next, serving it up

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Speaker 12: with a no drink minimum.

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Speaker 5: It's that Kevin Show, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, final few minutes, So glad you're with us. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here. That Kevin Show. Final few minutes

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Speaker 1: of the first hour. I should say, we've still got

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Speaker 1: a whole second hour coming your way, and we're going

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Speaker 1: to delve into some really interesting stuff. The former president

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Speaker 1: and now president Emeritis of Texas Tech University.

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Speaker 2: Is going to join me.

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Speaker 1: He's an expert in healthcare, and on Wednesday sometimes we

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Speaker 1: take a look at health and wellness, particularly in the

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Speaker 1: ever growing debate about how healthcare should be managed in

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Speaker 1: it and how that compares to what we have in place.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a look at all of those issues as

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Speaker 1: you'll stay with us for that. I have to press

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Speaker 1: this issue.

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Speaker 2: Friends.

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Speaker 1: We are running out of time. Today is the twenty eighth.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the thirty first, we are out

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Speaker 1: of time to rescue the eight hundred babies that still

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Speaker 1: need rescuing. We've told you for most of this month

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Speaker 1: about how an ultrasound will save lives every time, just

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Speaker 1: about every time that it's used, nine times out of ten.

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Speaker 1: A woman who sees an ultrasound, if she was previously

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Speaker 1: abortion minded, most of the time changes her mind and says, no,

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Speaker 1: that's a human being.

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Speaker 2: I never knew.

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Speaker 1: I was told it was a clump of cells. I'd

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Speaker 1: never seen this picture. That's my baby. These are the

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Speaker 1: kinds of things that they say once they see that

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Speaker 1: ultrasound for the first time. And friends, it's real simple.

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Speaker 1: If we have ultrasounds available, babies get saved and preborn

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Speaker 1: is asking you to help supply the ultrasounds. They cost

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Speaker 1: twenty eight dollars to do. If you are a business

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Speaker 1: owner and you are able to want to make a

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Speaker 1: big impact in this way, fifteen thousand dollars would put

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Speaker 1: an entire ultrasound, brand new, ultra state of the art

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Speaker 1: ultrasound machine into a preborn clinic and one of their

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Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty locations across the country. And I

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Speaker 1: will just tell you this. My family and I are

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Speaker 1: going on a journey this year. We're going to give

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty dollars a month every month for

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Speaker 1: the year of twenty twenty six because we want to

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Speaker 1: save five babies a month. We figured out in our

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Speaker 1: budget that that's what we can afford, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we want to do. So will you join us? If

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Speaker 1: I just had another sixteen of you take that journey

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Speaker 1: with us. Every single month, just send one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty dollars to preborn and just let them hit your

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Speaker 1: credit card with it. You could save sixty lives in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six via saving unborn babies, sixty children. You

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Speaker 1: would save sixty children that you would help bring into

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Speaker 1: one year old Christmas a year from now. It would

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Speaker 1: us to look around and see, hey, we made a

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Speaker 2: And Roe v.

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Speaker 1: They are doing it big time. The states where it's

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Speaker 1: You say how can we help? And that's what preborn

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Speaker 1: Can you do a ten pack of ultrasounds that's two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars one time, And we just need

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Speaker 1: But we are running out of time and we need

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Speaker 4: everything you need to know about the top headlines of

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Speaker 4: That Kevin Show and now from the Connors in Sullivan

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Speaker 1: He used to be. Here, all right, welcome in our

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Speaker 1: number two of That Kevin Show. So glad to have

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Speaker 1: be with you. Kevin McCollough is my name. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm weird. I wake up at two in the morning

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Speaker 1: and I can't sleep, and so do I do. I

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Speaker 1: start working, I start thinking about the show, thinking about

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Speaker 1: what news I've missed. I start checking news sources and

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Speaker 1: so forth. And last night, literally at two twenty five

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at stories that had posted since I

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Speaker 1: the end of the day. And I ran across this

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Speaker 1: little gem from doctor Larry Krasner, take a listen.

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Speaker 11: A small bunch of wanna be Nazis, that's what they are.

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Speaker 11: In a country of three hundred and fifty million, we

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Speaker 11: outnumber them. If we have to hunt you down the

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Speaker 11: way they hunted down Nazis for decades, we will find

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Speaker 11: your identities, we will find you, we will achieve justice.

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Speaker 1: So that is the District attorney for the City of

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Speaker 1: philip Philadelphia is how normal people would pronounce it.

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Speaker 2: But I saw someone on the news not long ago.

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Speaker 9: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was, in fact, the police chief for the Police

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Speaker 1: Department of Philadelphia who said, I'm the police chief of Phila.

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Speaker 1: Because saying the whole word is too much work Philadelphia. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: when top elected prosecutors like Larry Krasner, the soundbody just

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Speaker 1: played for you stand on the steps of city Hall

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Speaker 1: and they vow to hunt you down the way they

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Speaker 1: hunted down the Nazis.

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Speaker 2: For decades.

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Speaker 1: So this is something that they're going to do, ongoing,

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Speaker 1: endless and endless. This is not political theater, This is

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Speaker 1: not rhetorical flourish. This is a threat directed at a

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Speaker 1: specific group of federal law enforcement officers carrying out lawful

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Speaker 1: duties under the authority of the United States Constitution, and

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Speaker 1: when that threat comes from a sitting district attorney, I

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Speaker 1: think it deserves immediate and serious scrutiny. Because the Philadelphia DA,

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Speaker 1: Larry Krasner, that made that statement, his words aren't hypothetical.

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Speaker 1: They're not spoken in private. They were delivered on camera

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Speaker 1: at a press event and widely circulated. He referred to

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Speaker 1: ICE agents as want to be Nazis and promised to

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Speaker 1: hunt you down and find your identities and find you

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Speaker 1: to what end. You know that when you use the term,

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Speaker 1: by the way, hunt you down, down is a significant

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Speaker 1: word in that phrase. It means to take you down.

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Speaker 1: It means to put you down, it means to kill you.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors aren't pundits. They're not supposed to be. They're not

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Speaker 1: supposed to be activists. They are actually sworn officers of

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Speaker 1: the court who take an oath to uphold the Constitution

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Speaker 1: and enforce the law impartially. Their words carry weight, their

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Speaker 1: statements signal intent, and their rhetoric matters in ways that

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Speaker 1: casual political speech does not. So let's start with the basics.

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Speaker 1: Immigration enforcement is federal law. You're a DA. You've taken

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Speaker 1: an oath to enforce that federal law. Whether one supports

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Speaker 1: it or opposes it. Current immigration policy is irrelevant to

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Speaker 1: the fact. Your job is to enforce the statutes as

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Speaker 1: they're written. Federal courts have upheld them, federal officers are

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Speaker 1: lawfully tasked with enforcing them. The Constitution's supremacy clause makes

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Speaker 1: that clear. Federal law is the supreme law of the land,

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Speaker 1: and state officials are bound by it, including district attorneys.

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Speaker 1: Krasner's defenders will argue that his remarks were rhetorical or symbolic,

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Speaker 1: or meant to energize a political base. Intent does not

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Speaker 1: erase effect. A public vow to hunt you down to

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Speaker 1: federal agents and expose identities. That's not abstract speech. It's directed, targeted,

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Speaker 1: and inherently intimidating, especially when spoken by a prosecutor who

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Speaker 1: controls charging decisions and works closely with law enforcement databases

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Speaker 1: and investigatory tools. Federal law takes threats against federal officers seriously.

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Speaker 1: Under eighteen US Code one to eleven and related statutes,

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Speaker 1: threats or intimidation against officers engaged in official duties constitutes

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Speaker 1: a crime. The law exists for a reason to prevent

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Speaker 1: exactly this kind of escalation, intimidation, and politicized targeting of

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. This is not about whether a law a

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Speaker 1: federal agent has ever committed wrongdoing. If any law enforcement

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Speaker 1: officer breaks the law, they should be investigated, indicted, prosecuted,

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Speaker 1: and found guilty appropriately. That principle applies universally. But promising

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Speaker 1: to hunt down officers because of the agency they work for,

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Speaker 1: it's not accountability, its retaliation. If a private citizen had

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Speaker 1: stood on those same steps and said they intended to

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Speaker 1: hunt down federal agents, there would already be an investigation.

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Speaker 1: If a conservative official had used that language toward another

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Speaker 1: arm of government, the outrage would be immediate and deafening.

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Speaker 1: The rule of law cannot operate on double standards. If

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Speaker 1: a district attorney uses his platform to threaten federal law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: then federal authorities are well within their rights and arguably

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Speaker 1: their obligations, to investigate whether that conduct violates federal law.

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Speaker 1: That includes the authority to arrest and died and prosecute

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Speaker 1: if the fact supports it. A da no badge or

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Speaker 1: robe or elected title put someone above the law. Political

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Speaker 1: debate is healthy. Policy disagreement is essential in a free society.

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Speaker 1: That's how you get to the best laws possible. But

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Speaker 1: threats are not debate and intimidation is not dissent. Prosecutors

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Speaker 1: of all people should know where that line is, and

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Speaker 1: Larry Krassner crossed it. And if the law means what

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Speaker 1: it says, then the response should be as serious as

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Speaker 1: the statement itself. The Department of Justice needs to indict

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Speaker 1: Larry Krassner. The Department of Justice needs to hold him accountable.

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Speaker 1: The Department of Justice may need to bring charges of

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Speaker 1: threatening law enforcement officers, because when a prosecutor threatens law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and no one responds, the message becomes clear. The

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Speaker 1: rule of law is optional and power decides who is protected.

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Speaker 1: And that's not justice, that's chaos. And if there's one

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Speaker 1: thing that you can say about this entire episode in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota or Philadelphia, the way people are talking about ice

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Speaker 1: who are lawful law enforcement, they don't respect them. They

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Speaker 1: think that they can exact revenge on them. And everybody

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Speaker 1: that pushes them into that corner needs to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: So I would encourage the good people of Philadelphia to

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Speaker 1: have mister Krassner impeached, take him out of office. I

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Speaker 1: would encourage the Congress and the Department of Justice to

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Speaker 1: look into his malfeasance and if necessary, arrest him and

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Speaker 1: charge him and try him. Kevin McCullough, we're going to

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Speaker 1: step away from the headlines and look at healthcare.

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Speaker 5: Stay with us.

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Speaker 9: Here.

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Speaker 5: He is from New York, that Kevin. Kevin McCullough, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh.

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Speaker 2: Glad to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, on Wednesdays we set aside, we carve out

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Speaker 1: time specifically to go deeper on a subject that is

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Speaker 1: related to everyone's life that's listening. But we sometimes take

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Speaker 1: various aspects of it for granted, or we don't want

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Speaker 1: to know more about certain things that we're doing and

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Speaker 1: how dangerous it is. I was reading some statistics about

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Speaker 1: drinking habits of some demographics and just the impact that

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Speaker 1: it has on the development of cancers and stuff. And

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Speaker 1: I know that health is a very personal and a

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Speaker 1: very convicted part of our how we believe, what we

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Speaker 1: believe about our health, what we believe about what we

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Speaker 1: practice about our health. These kinds of things are we

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Speaker 1: consider them intensely personal aka private, but they are also

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Speaker 1: something that has an impact on everyone else around us.

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Speaker 1: Given the fact that our health does impact other people,

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Speaker 1: and if you don't believe me, talk to you know,

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Speaker 1: a middle aged mother of three who's also trying to

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Speaker 1: care for an elderly parent who is not doing well.

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Speaker 1: Your health, our health, my health. We impact one another.

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Speaker 1: But I am still of the conservative idea that we

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Speaker 1: should be responsible for ourselves and that our health care

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Speaker 1: policies should reflect that. Here to discuss some of this

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Speaker 1: with me is Ted Mitchell. He's an American physician, academic, author,

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Speaker 1: leader in higher education. Most recently he was the fifth

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Speaker 1: chancellor of Texas Tech University, and he joins us with

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Speaker 1: a whole lot to say on all of this. Ted

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Speaker 1: is also, by by happenstance, a very dear friend to

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Speaker 1: someone who's very dear to us. You've heard us talk

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Speaker 1: about Mike and Beth Connors all the time. Mike a

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Speaker 1: big sponsor of my show, and Beth happens to be

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Speaker 1: Ted's big sister. So Ted, ed welcome, It's good to

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Speaker 1: finally meet you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here, Kevin, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: This is a topic that is very timely given everything

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Speaker 2: that's going on in the world around us right now,

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Speaker 2: So thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: No, I have no doubt about that. And I know

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Speaker 1: that everybody wants to stay up to speed on what's

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Speaker 1: going on with Ice and all the violence in Minneapolis

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00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: and the rest of it. But we need to talk

876
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: about this because the President does have some plans that

877
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: he's going to look at some things that I've been

878
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: hearing recommended for a while, price transparency, and some other

879
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: things that I think are going to have a big impact.

880
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: But before we get into his solutions, as a physician,

881
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: as someone who's watched the healthcare industry take shape in

882
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: form over the last number of years, what's been your

883
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: observation about where we were, And let's go all the

884
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: way back to before Obamacare, the old system, the old

885
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: insurance driven system. What has been your observation about how

886
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: it's morphed, what has worked, what hasn't, What do we

887
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: still need to do? But your general impression of American

888
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: health care today, Well.

889
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 2: The American healthcare system today, if you look at people

890
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: that have serious medical conditions, and I'm talking about the

891
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: folks that need serious cancer surgeries, serious cancer therapies, serious

892
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: cartivaster diseases, and the like, the American health care system

893
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: is by far the best on the planet, meaning the

894
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: specialty care that we receive is second to none anywhere

895
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: around the globe. Research is along the same lines. The

896
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: preponderance of people that have won the Nobel Prizes in

897
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: medicine going back to the sixties were Americans. So the

898
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: system itself with that is great. The delivery of the

899
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: system has become more and more problematic over the years.

900
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: The fact is this, in my opinion, it's all the

901
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 2: way back to nineteen the nineteen sixties when Medicare was

902
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: tagged on as a supplement act over the Social Security Act.

903
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: What we did was we started saying to seniors at

904
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: the time, we're going to have a system in place

905
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: for you to take care of your health care. The

906
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: problem with that has become any time you start trying

907
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: to deliver a cookie cutter approach to the masses of

908
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: the people, you do several things. One of the things

909
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: that you do is you remove them from responsibility for it.

910
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: Another thing you do is you introduce third parties into

911
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 2: the equation, and in this case the third party is

912
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: the government. And then the other thing that you do

913
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: is you divorce the physician from a lot of the

914
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: decision making that is so important between the physician and

915
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: the patient. So when you do that, over time, what

916
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: winds up happening is you developed this behemoth of a

917
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: bureaucracy that at some point in time starts doing more

918
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: to feed itself and protect itself than actually to protect

919
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: the patient. And that's actually what we're seeing today in

920
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: the United States.

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00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: I think that any honest purveyor of what we're up

922
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: against has to come to those conclusions. I just don't

923
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: think there's any way around it. There's also a truism

924
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: in government life, in public policy, see that it is

925
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: very very rare once something has become a behemoth, that

926
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: it can be dismantled. Now, God blessed President Trump. He's

927
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: trying to do this on a lot of different levels,

928
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: the Department of Education, and there's a lot of areas

929
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: where he's looking at structural stuff and saying we can

930
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: do better and we should be. But what gave way

931
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: and what gave the energy because Barack Obama pretty much

932
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: got elected in promising some very outlandish things that Obamacare

933
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: would accomplish, and he kind of went to the American

934
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: people and said, look, I did what I told you

935
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: I would do, but it took us years to figure

936
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Speaker 1: out that we had not really solved any of the problems.

937
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: Well, and what happened with all of that, and again

938
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: if you look at the Affordable Care Act, which was

939
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: neither affordable nor care in retrospect, but what wound up

940
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: happening was the Affordable Care Act became kind of the

941
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: LBJ two point zero expanding it again. And the problem

942
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: with it as the people that are the major players,

943
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about big Pharma, big big insurance, they

944
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: were basically by subsidies. By being given these subsidies, they

945
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: were coerced to go ahead and play along with the scheme.

946
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: But the idea behind this the entire time, the knowledge

947
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: was they knew that this thing would not be able

948
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: to sustain itself. So the more and more people that

949
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 2: you could get to come over to the exchange, eventually,

950
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: over time you create a situation where then you cannot

951
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 2: allow the exchange to fail because it's too big. And

952
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: that's what we're facing now. When you start saying, Okay,

953
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: we're not going to continue to pay these subsidies that

954
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: we've been paying, then exactly what people were predicting when

955
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: this was passed has come to fruition. People are saying, Okay, well,

956
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: now you have way too many people on it, so

957
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: you can't pull the rug out from under them. And

958
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: so part of this, and I'll talk now about the

959
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: social psychology of this, that has really shifted. We've gone

960
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: from a society when it comes to our health, of

961
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: people taking ownership of what goes on in their life,

962
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: to a society where we are completely dependent on others

963
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: to make all these decisions for us. And one of

964
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: the things that I tell patients regularly, it is not

965
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: the US government's job to keep you healthy. It is

966
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: not the hospital's job to keep you healthy. It is

967
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: not the insurance company's job to keep you healthy. It

968
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: is not your doctor's job to keep you healthy. It

969
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: is your job to keep yourself healthy. You have to

970
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: be your own patient advocate. But that also means that

971
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: what you're doing day in and day out, the habits

972
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: that you have or the habits that you don't have,

973
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: become critically important. So we have got to move away

974
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: from this notion that you've got like the Wizard of Oz,

975
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 2: the big wizard up there that can take care of

976
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: all of your needs, because you know that's just not

977
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 2: the case. They cannot do this, they cannot provide the care.

978
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: Given the current environment that we have, they cannot provide

979
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: the care that people need.

980
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Well, considering that Obama was kind of like the Wizard

981
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: of Oz with no real expertise in healthcare or business

982
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: or private sector structure and function, when you get a

983
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: law professor coming in trying to design a new healthcare system,

984
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: it did collapse. And the only reason that it was

985
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: even minorly successful at the first was because you had

986
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: the mandate, which is a gun at our head saying

987
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: you're going to pay for all of this even if

988
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: you don't need it. Ted, I know that we're in

989
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: a day in which you're not supposed to draw a

990
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: distinction between a man and a woman, but I'm sorry,

991
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: at fifty five, I am never going to need to

992
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: have coverage that will cover me in case I give

993
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: birth or I need a C section. And yet there

994
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: were people that would have to adopt policies for like

995
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: all sorts of f family issues. Single people having to

996
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: take policies that covered family related issues. And at that

997
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: point in time, I think the push was so hard

998
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: by some of the activists. They've glossed over some of it.

999
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: They didn't really go into detail a lot of others,

1000
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: and so everybody thought, well, we should have a right

1001
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: to have health care. But then you get into the

1002
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: fine weeds of what you're paying for, and nobody can

1003
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: afford it, and the only way it's sustained was having

1004
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: people subsidize it on the brief period of time that

1005
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: they did. And then in Trump's first term he eventually

1006
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: blew up that mandate, which was a promise kept.

1007
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: Sure, well, and you said something that is I think

1008
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: extraordinarily amproposed for the conversation. Always the argument comes down,

1009
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: and it's this binary choice. Do you believe that that

1010
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: healthcare the provision of healthcare is a right or a

1011
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 2: privilege right? And that they always try to put it,

1012
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: They always try to put it that way to you,

1013
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: And my response to that is it's neither. Health Care

1014
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: is not a right, nor is it a privilege. Responsibility

1015
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: We go it's a responsibility of the individual. And so

1016
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: then the next argument that has made I've had these

1017
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: discussions innumerable times. The next argument is, well, we can't

1018
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: afford healthcare the way it currently is, and there is

1019
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: truth in that statement, and that not everybody. If you

1020
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: have a family Okay, Ted, hold that thought.

1021
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: I hate tender up, but we're all a role here,

1022
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: but we got to take a break, pay some bills,

1023
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: come back, and we're going to pick up right where

1024
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: Ted Mitchell left off. Doctor Ted Mitchell is our guest

1025
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: on Wellness Wednesday, former chancellor of Texas Tech University. Stay

1026
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: with us, let's stick around for more of that.

1027
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 5: Kevin next.

1028
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 9: Here.

1029
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 5: He is from New York, Ken Kevin McCollough.

1030
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: And we're back. Glad to have you doctor Ted Mitchell

1031
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: as my guest. He's the former fifth chancellor of Texas

1032
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: Tech University and Ted is a Texan who transplanted to

1033
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: the New York trist State area about two and a

1034
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: half decades ago. I have a lot of uncles and

1035
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: cousins out in the Lubbock and Amarillo area that were

1036
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: all big Tech fans. And whenever we had the family

1037
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: reunion around Thanksgiving, you know, there would be the set

1038
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: of people that were watching, you know, the TCU and

1039
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: SMU games, and then there were the people that were

1040
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: watching the Texas Tech and the you know, the UT games.

1041
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: And it was always you were supposedly all one big family,

1042
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: but you start talking college football and that that went

1043
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: out the window real quick.

1044
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: That's right. You do that in Texas and you get

1045
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: into argument's pretty tired.

1046
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, even even with family members. We're talking about the

1047
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: state of healthcare in America today, and there's so much

1048
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: that we could talk about. But just before we went

1049
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: to break you were breaking down. You were you were

1050
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: drilling deeper on this idea that healthcare isn't a right

1051
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: and it's not a privilege, it is a responsibility, and

1052
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: you wanted to unpack a second point behind that a

1053
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: little bit more.

1054
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: That's right, because the follow up argument that you'll then

1055
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: get is, well, a family of for if somebody is

1056
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: earning let's say the head of household is earning, say

1057
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: sixty thousand a year, seventy thousand a year, they'll say

1058
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 2: they can't afford a lot of these insurance packages. And

1059
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: that's a true statement. Having said that, what they can afford,

1060
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: what they can afford is the type of coverage that

1061
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: is catastrophic coverage to make sure that if you have

1062
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,440
Speaker 2: a family member that winds up needing serious surgery, a

1063
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: family member that winds up in a serious accident, et cetera,

1064
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: et cetera, that they're covered for that and that's one

1065
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: of the things that becomes your responsibility to do that.

1066
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,479
Speaker 2: And then you'll like even have people say, well, gosh,

1067
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: they can't even afford that. And to that point, I

1068
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: would say, well, if you go around and look at

1069
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: households around our country, we all have color televisions, we

1070
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: all have innumerable stream services. We all walk around with

1071
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: these small computers in our pocket that are iPhones. I mean,

1072
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is we all can afford

1073
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: this if we make it a priority and if we

1074
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 2: see it as a responsibility. And this is the difference

1075
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 2: in a generational difference relative to a few generations ago,

1076
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: when people would never would never have said I deserve this,

1077
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: and I deserve that, and I deserve this. And so

1078
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 2: it's a mindset, it's a social mindset that we have

1079
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: to help shift, because at the end of the day,

1080
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: we really have to help people understand that taking care

1081
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: of themselves and their family members this becomes a responsibility

1082
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 2: for everybody. And it's not something that is a privilege

1083
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: for a handful of people that make a lot of money.

1084
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: Nor is it right that you can just give out

1085
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: to everybody without breaking the bank, which is where we're

1086
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: currently sitting on this well.

1087
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: And here's the other part of this, because does the

1088
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: Obamacare mandate came along and you kind of forced the

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Speaker 1: herds through the stalls, so to speak, to get in

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Speaker 1: the silos. You did have some free market response to this,

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Speaker 1: in for instance, medical cost sharing programs that's maybe not

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Speaker 1: insurance exactly, but it's an alternative way to spread cost

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Speaker 1: and help people. But in every one of those ted

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Speaker 1: In almost every one of those programs, personal responsibility is

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Speaker 1: a premium. So for instance, if you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: meta share or a Christian medicine sharing program, if you

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Speaker 1: drink over a certain amount, if you smoke, there are things.

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Speaker 9: That will.

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Speaker 1: Nullify your coverage. And if you are dishonest with it,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you apply with them, they'll they'll take

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Speaker 1: it away from you. If we had one tenth of

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Speaker 1: that level of interest or responsibility or accountability in terms

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Speaker 1: of how we lived and what we chose, we would

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Speaker 1: transform the medical care that's given in this country. I

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Speaker 1: think overnight almost.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you completely because and this gets right

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Speaker 2: back to the you know, to use the analogy of

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Speaker 2: the Wizard of Oz with it, everybody's looking for the

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Speaker 2: Wizard and The irony with that is the entire time

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Speaker 2: at the at the end of the book, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the movie, when you realize that two things

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Speaker 2: became clear. Number One, the wizard never could have provided

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Speaker 2: you the things you were asking for. Number Two, Dorothy

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Speaker 2: always had the capacity herself to do what she needed

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Speaker 2: to do. And it's exactly the same thing here. What

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Speaker 2: the federal government writ large tries to do is to

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Speaker 2: say we have the answers to everything you need with healthcare,

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Speaker 2: and at some point in time you have to come

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Speaker 2: to the realization that number one, that is an absolutely

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Speaker 2: false statement. They cannot do that. Number Two, the corollary

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Speaker 2: to it is that we have the capacity ourselves to

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Speaker 2: do many, many things to make sure that we are

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Speaker 2: minimizing our need for interactions with the healthcare system, and

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Speaker 2: that we're doing things to take back using a more

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Speaker 2: of a free market approach. The interactions that we do

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Speaker 2: have with insurers and the like, even things with big

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Speaker 2: Pharma that they're addressing about trying to give us most

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Speaker 2: Favored Nation status in the United States is something that

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Speaker 2: is a huge step in the right direction for bending

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Speaker 2: the cost curve for pharmaceuticals. This is like the layers

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Speaker 2: of an onion. This thing has been built up so

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Speaker 2: heavily on the private side with private insurers and on

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Speaker 2: the public side through Medicare and the expansion to Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: This has been built out over the course of decades,

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't that long ago. My dad, our father,

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Speaker 2: was a head and neck surgeon, and as recently as

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Speaker 2: when he was in medical school in the fifties, third

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Speaker 2: party fay was an oddity. Every physician had as part

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Speaker 2: of their practice what they called their charity practice, and

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Speaker 2: for my father it was about ten percent of his practice.

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Speaker 2: You just saw patients because they came in. Once third

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Speaker 2: party pay really stepped in, including governmental third party pay,

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Speaker 2: it transformed healthcare in many ways that were really problematic

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Speaker 2: because you removed from the equation the two groups most responsible,

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Speaker 2: the physician groups and the patient groups. They no longer

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Speaker 2: engaged directly with each other, but as always through these

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Speaker 2: third parties. And when you start doing that, you lose

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Speaker 2: not only control of what goes on, you lose your

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Speaker 2: responsibility for what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, and not only that that third party got to

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Speaker 1: get paid at the end of the day. Stay with us,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ted Mitchell fascinating discussion on America's healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 9: Here.

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Speaker 5: He is from New York.

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Speaker 2: That Kevin.

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Speaker 5: Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: All right, final few minutes with Ted Mitchell, a former

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Speaker 1: chancellor at Texas Tech University, and just so happens not

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Speaker 1: only an incredibly brilliant guy, but just so happens to

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Speaker 1: be the kid brother of one of my favorite people

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Speaker 1: on the planet, Beth Connors. And Ted, I'm so grateful

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Speaker 1: that she took time to be with us. You know,

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Speaker 1: you in the university work, you see the next generation

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Speaker 1: coming up, and I think Texas Tech has a pretty

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Speaker 1: good medical program and there's kids still pursuing medicine and

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Speaker 1: they want to go out and change the world. You

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Speaker 1: touched on as we were going to the break, this

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Speaker 1: this third party intrusion and how when you have third

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Speaker 1: parties involved, there's less accountability for the people that get sick.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm going to I've said it on my

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Speaker 1: show many times. The guy that lives next door to

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Speaker 1: me and eats twenty five Big Macs a week and smokes,

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Speaker 1: you know, two packs of cigarettes and drinks you know,

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Speaker 1: fifteen beers in a given time set. And the lady

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Speaker 1: that lives next door who eats a lot of raw

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Speaker 1: vegetables and exercises and has an air purer fire and

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Speaker 1: does all this stuff in our house. It's completely different.

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Speaker 1: They shouldn't be required to buy the same insurance package,

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Speaker 1: and the cost and the effect that it has on

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Speaker 1: the world around them is going to be very different

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day because of the choices

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Speaker 1: that they make. There are other people that live not

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Speaker 1: far from me who will door dash McDonald's every single night.

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Speaker 1: It still applies. We should not be being looked at

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Speaker 1: in terms of the cost risk analysis as the same

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Speaker 1: human being because we're not the same people.

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Speaker 2: Right well, and what we've become is a society of convenience.

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Speaker 2: Everything's about convenience and as people have figured out how

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Speaker 2: to have food delivered, it used to be I mean,

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Speaker 2: what was the food that was always delivered on Friday

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Speaker 2: nights was a pizza. And with the fast food industry

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Speaker 2: in general, this is something that's really important for people

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Speaker 2: to understand. You know, the fast food industry in many

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Speaker 2: ways takes it on the chin and they've become the

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Speaker 2: whipping boy for everybody. The problem that we have is

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Speaker 2: a society. If you want to look at it from

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Speaker 2: a physiology standpoint is you can make anybody, for example,

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Speaker 2: lose weight if they'll do three things. Eat a little

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Speaker 2: bit less, exercise a little bit more, and then the

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Speaker 2: third thing is the problematic one. It's do it forever,

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Speaker 2: you know. So the answer to a lot of these

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Speaker 2: things are really pretty simple. They're not easy, but they're simple.

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Speaker 2: And so if you take, for example, fast food restaurants,

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Speaker 2: if you were to scatter them all over places around

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Speaker 2: the globe where they don't have access to food, it

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Speaker 2: would be a good thing because they have access to

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Speaker 2: high calories. But our bodies are made to store calories.

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Speaker 2: Our bodies are made to take any calorie half that

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Speaker 2: we bring in and store it away for a rainy day.

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Speaker 2: The problem in twenty twenty six is the rainy day

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Speaker 2: never comes. So our bodies are made to conserve energy.

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Speaker 2: And we have all these foods around us that are

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Speaker 2: calorie dents that if we were here one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty years ago, would be no problem because we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be eating them all the time. Cakes and cookies were

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Speaker 2: things that were huge treats in the early nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Now they're in every grocery store everywhere, and so it

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Speaker 2: requires and it's something we've alluded to, but we haven't

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Speaker 2: said it. What it requires is a consistent discipline. But

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Speaker 2: to your point about the lifestyle that one individual might

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Speaker 2: have versus their neighbor, you're exactly right. Those two should

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Speaker 2: not be required to have the same type of insurance coverage.

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Speaker 2: They should not be required to pay the same amount

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Speaker 2: for insurance coverage. They're very very they're on very different

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Speaker 2: trajectories for their health. So when you talk about public

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Speaker 2: health and public health pronouncements and public health policy, you're

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Speaker 2: trying to do two things. On the one hand, you're

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Speaker 2: trying to make sure that the insurance, health insurance and

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Speaker 2: things that we have is appropriate for what people need

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Speaker 2: and that they understand the responsibility for having it. On

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Speaker 2: the other hand, you're trying to make sure that people

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Speaker 2: understand what they can do for themselves without a doctor,

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Speaker 2: without a nutritionist, without an exercise physiologist, without an insurance company,

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Speaker 2: to keep themselves healthier. And you know, it's my old

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Speaker 2: boss at the Cooper Clinic in Dallas, Texas, kN Cooper,

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Speaker 2: who's been called the father of the modern fitness movement.

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Speaker 2: He always said, we don't have health insurance. We have

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Speaker 2: disease insurance, right, we don't have life insurance. We have

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Speaker 2: death insurance. So we do things now where we spend

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Speaker 2: exorbitant amounts of money on people, very often at the

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Speaker 2: very end of their rope. And we do things where

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Speaker 2: we're not extending life, but we are extending death by

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Speaker 2: these heroic measures at the very end of somebody's life,

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Speaker 2: where if we could have been working with people earlier,

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Speaker 2: not only do we allow people to live longer, but

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Speaker 2: the key is to have them living healthier for however

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Speaker 2: long the Good Lord has them on the earth. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what everybody wants. When you say to somebody who wants

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Speaker 2: to live to a hundred, everybody raises their hand. But

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Speaker 2: if you say, who wants to live to a hundred?

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Speaker 2: But if that means you're bed ridden and don't recognize

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Speaker 2: your children, nobody wants that. You want to square off

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Speaker 2: that geriatric curve that we all face where we lose

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Speaker 2: our capacity to live over the last ten fifteen years

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Speaker 2: of life. You want to blow and go till the

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Speaker 2: last day when the Good Lord calls you home. You

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Speaker 2: step off the proverbial cliff and you go. That's what

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. This is all about.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that I hear you, an academic, former

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Speaker 1: chancellor of a major university, echoing some of the very

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Speaker 1: same things that my friend doctor Douglas Howard of the

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Speaker 1: Balance of Nature supplements that you see on news Max

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Speaker 1: and Fox say for years. That is that the issue

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Speaker 1: is not extending life. The issue is making the quality

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Speaker 1: of that life that you have the healthiest and the

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Speaker 1: most joy filled that you can while you're there. And

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Speaker 1: of course his big emphasis is just eat lots of

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Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables because you're probably not getting them, and

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Speaker 1: the rest of your diet and routine. You could multiply that,

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Speaker 1: you know, times ten for some people versus others. But

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Speaker 1: it's the same concept. If we want to have a

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Speaker 1: fulfilling life on the physical plane and the chemical plane

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Speaker 1: of our life, then we need to make those choices

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Speaker 1: for ourselves, and no one else can make them for us.

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Speaker 1: And what I love about this conversation, Ted, is that

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Speaker 1: you have opened a lot of minds in the last

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Speaker 1: few minutes, and I think that we're going to help

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. Please please, please come back and

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Speaker 1: be with us more, because I know you've got a

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Speaker 1: lot to say about the weight loss stuff, sports medicine.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that we can delve into

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Speaker 1: with you, but I think this is a great overview

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Speaker 1: of why we should have more conversations going forward.

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Speaker 2: Happy to join you whenever you can, Kevin, all right.

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Speaker 1: Say hi to Texas for me because that is my

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Speaker 1: west side of Fort Worth. Represent there, and I'll give

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Speaker 1: Beth a hug for you the.

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Speaker 2: Next time I see her. That sounds great. You take care,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: Ted Mitchell a former chancellor of Texas Tech University and

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Speaker 1: just a really sharp guy when it comes to understanding

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Speaker 1: public health. Here with us helping understand it a little

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Speaker 1: bit better at the Kevin at that Kevin Show microphone,

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough coming right back from Times Squares to here.

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Speaker 12: Let's stick around for more of that Kevin next. I'm

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Speaker 12: serving it up with a no drink minimal. It's that

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Speaker 12: Kevin Show, all right.

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Speaker 1: don't put it behind paywalls. We don't believe in paywalls.

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Speaker 1: We want the exchange of information to be something that

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Speaker 1: benefits you. And that's why I've insisted from the beginning

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Speaker 1: that we don't put stuff behind pay barriers. And thank

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Speaker 1: you for going checking out the podcast at Salempodcastnetwork dot com,

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Speaker 1: Salempodcastnetwork dot com, and then of course Saturday mornings Salem

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Speaker 1: News Channel, you get the TV version of that Kevin

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Speaker 1: Show where we have some sketch comedy for your weekend,

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Speaker 1: we have a music guest. It's a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: and it's a fun way to wake up and kind

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Speaker 1: of kick your weekend off. So I hope you'll check

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Speaker 1: that out this coming weekend. I do want to say

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Speaker 1: we are long in the tooth on the ability to

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Speaker 1: help these babies that, if we do not help, will

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Speaker 1: be aborted. The power of the ultrasound is remarkable because

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Speaker 1: when you put the ultrasound into the hands of a

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Speaker 1: woman who's been told nothing but this, that that thing

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Speaker 1: inside of her is not a person, it's a thing,

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Speaker 1: that it's a clump of cells, it's not a human being.

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Speaker 1: When that is the extent of what they know about

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Speaker 1: their pregnancy, then abortion doesn't seem like that big of

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Speaker 1: a deal. But when they see the ultrasound for themselves

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Speaker 1: and they see the evidence of a child that is

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Speaker 1: growing and that God put there, and that's their DNA.

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Speaker 1: It's them, it's part of it's their legacy. It's like

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Speaker 1: what is going to come after them? It changes their

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Speaker 1: heart and friends, we need your help. The goal was

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Speaker 1: more than a thousand ultrasounds for this month, for the

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Speaker 1: month of January, and we've we've rescued and saved more

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Speaker 1: than three hundred babies already, but that means that we've

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Speaker 1: still got more than seven hundred that we need your

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Speaker 1: help with. And if I just had if I just

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Speaker 1: had sixteen of you that would be willing to take

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Speaker 1: the challenge and match the McCullough family, because I never

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Speaker 1: asked you to do something that I'm not willing to

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Speaker 1: do myself. And the mcculla's this year said we're going

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Speaker 1: to give a gift every month of one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty dollars, and that one hundred and forty dollars gift

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Speaker 1: over twelve months is going to save sixty babies lives.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't take very many of us to come together

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Speaker 1: doing that challenge to knock out the final seven hundred

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Speaker 1: babies that are left to be able to just say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we've covered them all. But if I don't have sixteen courageous,

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Speaker 1: valiant warriors that are going to go to bat for

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Speaker 1: these babies and say, yeah, every month, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty dollars a month, you know, that's maybe parking or

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Speaker 1: dinner in New York City on a weekend for an

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Speaker 1: night to just enjoy some entertainment. If we, maybe once

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Speaker 1: a month, said we'll do something else and give that

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Speaker 1: amount to preborn, five more lives would be saved, and

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Speaker 1: over the course of a year, sixty children. Think about that,

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Speaker 1: two you would save the lives of two full classrooms

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Speaker 1: of kids, and next Christmas would be their first Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Four years from now, they'll all be getting ready to

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Speaker 1: start kindergarten. It'd be an amazing thing to look back

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Speaker 1: and go, wow, I helped two whole classrooms begin their

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Speaker 1: their their schooling life because I just wanted to help

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Speaker 1: their mom have honest information. Eight three three eight five

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Speaker 1: zero two two two nine is the number. Eight three

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Speaker 1: three eight five zero twenty two twenty nine eight three

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Speaker 1: three eight five zero two two two nine. Need you

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Speaker 1: to go and call now we're running out of time.

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Speaker 1: The thirty first is the end of our campaign and

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Speaker 1: we need your help worse than ever before. Four eight

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Speaker 1: three three eight five zero two two two nine. Eight

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Speaker 1: three three eight five zero two two two nine. Please

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Speaker 1: be as generous as you can when you call or

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Speaker 1: give online at that kevinshow dot com. Just click the

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Speaker 1: little baby's picture at the top of the homepage that

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Speaker 1: kevinshow dot com. Click the baby's picture at the top

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Speaker 1: of the homepage, or call eight three three eight five

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Speaker 1: zero two two two nine.