WEBVTT - What is an acceptable end-game for the battle with Iran? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.720 Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College. All Things 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.280 Hillsdale at Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:08.800 take advantage of the many free online courses there, and 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.119 of course I listen to the Hillsdale Dialogue, all of 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.560 them at Hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just Google, Apple, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:16.880 iTunes and Hilldale. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:24.120 They now have the chance that is around to permanently 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.280 abandon their nuclear ambitions and. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:28.520 To join a new path forward. We'll see if they 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.760 want to do it. If they don't, where they worse Nightman. 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:38.640 In the meantime, we'll just keep blowing them away, unimpeded, unstopped. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.040 Well, there's not a thing they can do about it. 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:42.280 They can't do anything about it. 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:44.199 You know, I'll tell you if they could, If they could, 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.360 you'd be hearing about it. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:47.320 You'd be hearing about it. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.640 You don't hear anything about it. Born and Glory and 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:51.920 even Grace America. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.560 I'm you, Hewitt. That was President Trump in the cabinet 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.480 the meeting about an hour ago. I begin today's program 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.240 with Jim Garrity. If National Review also a calm for 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.760 the Washington Post you ought to be getting. He is 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.119 Morning Daily jolt. You ought to be listening to him 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.600 on the Editors and the three Martini lunch Jim, I 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.280 have been following you on the Editors. You're in the 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.200 category of boy. I wish he'd explained it more clearly 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:18.640 at the beginning. I understand that. But we're just crushing 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.880 these people, these bad guys, and we're not killing civilians. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.560 I think this is going very well, and I think 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:25.920 it's a pivot point in history. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:26.960 What do you think about that? 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.240 Militarily it is going really well. It dawned on me 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.600 the other day, Hugh. Have we had casualties since the 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.560 initial we had the plane. 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.280 The C seventeen that went down. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.720 We had the initial casualties and a strike on one 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.040 of the Gulf states. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.240 Have we had military and uniform casualty? 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.440 We have lost thirteene we have not. There are some 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.960 seriously wounded, one of whom may have died. I'm a 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.760 little bit confused on what happens. Or it might be fourteen. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.040 Israeli has lost another one yesterday. Their death toll is 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.240 up to eighteen. In our golf out, I lost twenty. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.240 So among all of the Allied power powers and those 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:11.760 who have been attacked. The death toll is somewhere around sixty. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.360 You and I from our haircuts, people can tell are 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.280 on the longer side. I have good memories of the 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.639 nineteen ninety one Gulf War. Somebody went back and looked 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:25.119 at the number of US planes shot down. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.079 During the Persian Gulf War. 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.160 This is nineteen ninety one, and there were more planes 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.720 shot down over Iraq under Saddam Hussein and the technology 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.959 available then. I'm from a small town in New Jersey 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.240 called Mtuchen, and one of the POWs, Bob Wetzel, was 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.320 from Mtuchen, so that really kind of brought everything home there. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:43.440 So militarily is doing quite well. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.040 I think if you had more ships going through the 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.040 straight of war moves, I think everybody feel a lot 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.959 better about this. This is in the one card the 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.679 Iranians have had to play, and they've played it pretty effectively. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.080 They are effectively charging a toll to go through the 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:57.680 straight of hor. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.280 Moves, and this is one of their demands to end 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:00.720 the war. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.600 I would point out that this is you know, shooting 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.160 drones and shooting rockets and shooting missiles and fast boats 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:07.760 and mines. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.560 This is the only card they have to play. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.520 If the US can get enough mind sweeping equipment out there, 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.079 and if we can eliminate their drone launchers and all that, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.639 they don't have a lot. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:18.240 That they can do. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.080 I do think the ballistic missile that they launched that 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.000 was aimed at Diego Garcia. 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:24.920 That was a bit ominous. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.040 No, I've heard folks saying that it Actually they did 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.120 that by taking out all the extra explosives and putting 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.760 an extra room for fuel. Of course, that just proves 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.040 that the regime was lying when it said it did 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.760 not have missiles that could strike anywhere near that. That 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:41.000 does put you know, London in Paris are either right 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.440 outside the range of those missiles or a little bit 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.560 for a little bit, you know, beyond it. You take 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.720 out the explosives, on the one hand, it's not going 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.080 to be nearly as powerful. On the other hand, if 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.880 I throw a school bus going at like mock fourteen 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.000 into the middle of a city, it's still going to 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:56.760 do some damage. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.360 So, you know, militarily, it's going very well. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.880 I think we can take The real question is the 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.240 straight That's what's causing the gas prices, that's what's causing 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:05.920 oil prices. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:06.800 That's you know all that stuff. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.560 I would point out, according to Triple A though it's 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.520 been at three ninety eight for the national average for 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:12.400 the last three days. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.320 That's that's not great, but that is kind of indicating 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:17.320 we may they may have hit. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.760 A ceiling there right in California where my sign is 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.160 with his family at six and a half dollars a gallon, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.760 But we're used to that in California because of the 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.240 crazy air quality stuff and the mix that they've got 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:28.640 to use. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.239 We're actould say only six and a half. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.840 Well, yeah, it's kind of crazy out there. But even 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.520 if this went on for another month and gas stayed high, 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.159 what would you say to your grandchildren When you're an 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.919 old man like me and you've got grandchildren, Jim, what 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.560 would you say about the cost benefit if the regime 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.800 is toppled or crumbles and we had to pay two 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.760 and a half months of higher gas prices. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.800 At that point, it's a bargain, that is, you know, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.479 if you can topple the regime and replace it with regime. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.479 Never mind democracy, although that would be very nice. Let's 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:05.560 say a regime that. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:10.640 Is responsive to the voices of the people, then. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.600 It would have a situation, which that would be, you know, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.040 definitely worth this price. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.360 And then you know, six days a week and twice 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.760 on Sundays where I think there's like on the editors 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.040 last time, Rich put in a question to me, if 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.360 we keep the regime in place but they verifiably give 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.360 up their nuclear weapons ambitions, is that worthwhile? 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.000 And very much I would like to see this regime toppled. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.480 I think, you know, the President himself said to the Iranians, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:36.400 help is on the way. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.800 He told them to overthrow their oppressors. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.000 I think if the regime is still in control at 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.640 the end of this war, it will be a frustrating, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.159 but I think that would be a significant deal sweetener 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:47.360 for a mixed bag. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:52.760 So I'll be very critical if they are in control, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.720 because that means they, as Guy Benson said on Special. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.000 Report to Kicking the Fan down the Road, Yeah, they lie. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.039 When they breathe, they immediately start digging another tunnel and 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.840 ordering centrifuges from the chicoms, and they'll start all over again. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.080 And they still have four hundred and sixty pounds of 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:13.479 what the President called nuclear dust. That's like dirty bomb central. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:16.360 For the next one hundred years. We really can't let 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.239 this regime stay in place. And I don't think, my gosh, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.680 the pounding. I know that that cannard is that you 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.479 can't topple a regime from the air. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:27.000 Well. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.640 We've never had this kind of precision munition strike over 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.359 the course of six weeks on a regime that is 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.760 that unpopular among its people. That's the difference. It's not 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.640 like the German people chance to kill Hitler. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.560 Yeah. The economists cover this week shows the Iranian. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.800 Flag and the world like as a map of the world, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.000 the Iranians squeezing it and the signified and they have 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.320 a state of saying that the Trump's war has achieved 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:54.240 nothing in Iran. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:56.360 That's kind of ridiculous. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.919 I may not be quite as optimistic as say my 0:06:58.920 --> 0:06:59.920 colleague Noah Roffman. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.320 Uh, maybe not as optimistic as you, Hugh. 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.719 But in the end we're very optimistic. You we're not 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:06.320 as optimist. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.960 I think it myself as pretty hawks compared so hawkish. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:11.760 And you know, I want to see us get to 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:12.920 a new regime here. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.640 Short of that, a you know, regime that has had 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.400 you know, doesn't have an army anymore, doesn't have a 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.000 nuclear program, doesn't have ballistic missile program. That's all good steps, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.960 but I think I concur with you that at some 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.200 point this is simply this would be you know, Iran 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.040 War one, and at some point, hopefully far in the future, 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.280 but likely at some point we would have to do it. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.160 And you know, when you get into a fight with 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.560 the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, you have to 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.840 be very worried about the fact that they may sponsor terrorism. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.360 They may not be able to do it now. They 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.440 may still be the newest Ayatola, might be a little shorthanded, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.040 or you know whatever other metaphors you want to use 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.680 for a guy who looks like he's auditioning for the Mummy. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.280 But whatever, you know, he's not in a situation where 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.240 he can order terrorist attacks against America. But in six 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.400 months to a year they'll be back on their feet, 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.000 no fun intended and uh probably looking for revenge in one. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.040 Form always a ten yure pun. Let me ask you 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.000 about not Mission creep. Everyone knows what Mission creep is, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.520 but victory creep. Five years ago, the Israelis would have 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.320 been happy with what we did at four Doah in 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.760 midnight hammer and I say, all a who Barack asked 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.280 for was three hours with our deep penetrators over at 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:23.960 four doh. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.600 That was a victory, and we celebrated as such. 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:32.560 Now we've got victory creep beyond destroying the nuclear program, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.760 I mean really into bits and beyond the missile program. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:41.079 Now we want the regime instruments of terror, and we 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:42.439 want the regime to fall. 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.040 Our victory creep mode. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:48.600 Here maybe, But also keep in mind, you know, how 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.840 did we get here. And I'm sure there's some people go, oh, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.320 go back to the Shah or ah, go back to 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.280 the you know, the CIA back in the fifties and 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.800 all that. This really started because of the protests against 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:04.440 the Iranian regime. It really was peaked in January, continued 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.880 to bid into February. Presidents said help is on the way. 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.360 People genuinely thought this might be the end of the regime. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.000 They managed to stay in power by killing everybody agrees 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:17.240 some five figure sum some say closer to ten thousand, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.680 some say up in the neighborhood of thirty thousand. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:19.959 Right. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.640 All of this started because they were in dire economic straits, 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:28.360 because the Iranian currency is the single least worth of 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:32.240 valuable currency in the entire world. The value of the 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.480 money was absolutely declining. Assuming the Mollas stay in power 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.120 before all this, which you and I are hoping, you know, 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.880 is not the case. If they do that, they still 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.160 have all the same problems. You know, the people may 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.360 not be out on the street, you know, they might 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.160 not come out in the street in the first month 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.600 after the war, second month after the war, But if 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.719 the regime can't fix the economy, they're going to be 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.079 back where they started from, back in December of last year, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.720 where they you know, people are marching in the streets 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.600 simply out of hunger, simply out of the fact that 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.479 what they're getting paid cank over the cost. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.439 Of bread at the markets. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.440 So long term, this regime is in real trouble if 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.200 they don't get toppled in this war. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:10.120 One of these problems. 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.560 Thirty seconds on the way out the door, if the 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.240 regime's still in place, should we blow up their oil, 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.240 blow up their bridges, blow up their power grid to 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.079 make it easier for the people to rise up? 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.680 Thirty seconds Would it make it easier for the people 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:23.319 to rise up? 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.400 I'm not completely convinced of that, and I think it 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.720 also would drive oil markets and the world energy Markets Haywire, 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.160 So I would recC connection of how that would help them, 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.360 help them overthrow. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:38.520 The regime, guarrity the Indispensable, follow them on Exit Jim Garrety, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.600 read them in the Washington Post, treat them in National Review, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.400 Listen to them on the Editors and at the three 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:43.800 Martini Lunch and stay tuned. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.840 W right back on the Uuit Show. Welcome Back in America. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.439 I'm jet inside the beltweigh today in the Relief Factor studio, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.000 So please to welcome Chip Keating to the program. Chip 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.839 is a candidate for governor in the great state of Oklahoma. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:01.520 A little bit later in the are I'm talking to 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.840 Jim Lankford, Senator from Oklahoma. Oklahoma's been in the news 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.120 all week long, so I thought I would talk with Chip. Chip, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.880 how are you and how goes the campaign? 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.920 Hey you, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.920 The campaign's terrific. We've got a ton of momentum and 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.839 we're going to go win for greater Oklahoma. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.120 Now, I go down to Oklahoma every three or four 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.880 years for one reason or another, and it's always the 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.960 most welcoming state in the Union, unless Baker Mayfield is 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.800 playing Ohio State and planting the flag in the Ohio 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.440 state middle of the stadium. That's the only thing I've 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.880 got against Oklahoma. And then Baker came and came and brown. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.800 What are the issues that people are fighting about in Oklahoma? 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.000 Because it's such a nice place to. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:44.760 Visit, Oklahoma is great. Look the biggest issues in Oklahoma 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.439 right now. The old the slogan in Oklahoma used to 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.640 be used to be Oklahoma's Okay. That means we're average 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.840 and marginal. But the reality is right now, we are 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.640 fiftieth in education, we haven't modernized our tax structure since 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.960 nineteen teen thirty. We've got an illicit drug crisis in 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.840 our state from the passage of a liberal ballot initiative 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.480 that delivered medical marijuana. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:09.480 And it's anything but that. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.160 And so we are a triple Trump all seventy seven counties, 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.959 all three election cycles for President Trump were very red state. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.200 But we're dealing with blue state issues. And so we've 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.480 been big government in Oklahoma, and it's time for a 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:27.360 real conservative to step up and uphold our conservative values 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:28.880 that we know and love in Oklahoma. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.520 Now, I would have assumed that Oklahoma was pretty dog 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.679 on good in education chick keating just because oh you 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.080 so good in Oklahoma. State's pretty good at the state, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.640 the state universities are so good. What happened to your 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.319 primary K through twelve schools? 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.360 Yeah, it's a great question. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:53.160 And we do have great higher ed in Oklahoma USU 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.839 or our flagship universities, but K through twelve, one in 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.800 four of our eighth graders are illiterate in the state 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.360 of Oklahoma. And so we adopted and you hear the 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.800 Mississippi miracle around literacy in K through three and emphasis 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.200 on phonics and emphasis on having literacy coaches. We passed 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:16.600 that in twenty twelve. In twenty thirteen, Mississippi adopted it. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.240 They've gone from fiftieth to seventeenth. Their per capita GDP 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.760 just sur passed the UK. And in twenty fourteen, Oklahoma 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.280 repealed it. We repealed literacy in reading proficiency, and so 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:29.720 Republicans repealed it. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:35.400 And so enough's enough. Parents are outraged. Reading education. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.960 It's a fundamental genesis of everything. We're per capita number 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.520 one in incarceration in Oklahoma and fiftieth in literacy, and 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.760 those two statistics fit hand in glove, and so it's 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.839 time for us to get our act together and not 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.480 governed like a blue state anymore. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.800 Now, how does Oklahoma raise its money? 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.360 California tax I fled California to Virginia because they just 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.240 taxed everything. What is Oklahoma tax and it is there 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.319 reform to be had. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:06.400 There, There's a lot of reform to be had in Oklahoma. 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:07.920 Look, we're so blessed. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.000 To be in a fossil fuel stated. You think about 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.360 migration shifts in our country. Why are people migrating, you know, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.160 fleeing blue state you know, horrific tax policy, woke agenda 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.080 states and coming to states like you know, the Midwest. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.320 And if Oklahoma's really going to be a winner in 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.720 that net migration. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.000 And we have the power and power is a big deal. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:30.360 Right now. 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.440 We're blessed to have fossil fuels everywhere in our state. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.200 But where are the real migration patterns going. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.040 Well, they're going to really pro. 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.160 Tax policy, good public policy, states that have great education, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:47.480 no income tax, conservative values. And so the reality is 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.840 Oklahoma is a great place. I mean, we are an 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.840 incredible place to be. And if we really want to 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.640 win the migration race, we have to figure out how 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.200 to get rid of our state income tax. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:58.320 Look at Mississippi. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.560 I think Mississippi is a good example for Oklahoma to study. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.760 Went from fiftieth to seventeenth in education, they got rid 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.080 of their income tax. They're per capita GDP just surpassed 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.720 the UK. I mean, look at Tennessee, a great landlocked 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.040 state like Oklahoma. Thirty years ago, Oklahoma Tennessee's GDP were 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.000 very comparable. Now Tennessee's a third fastest growing state in 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:20.560 the country. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.000 And so what are they doing? I mean, frankly, the 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.160 reality is, Hugh, they're. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.320 Doing really good public policy. And so, as I traveled 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.000 the campaign trail, I'm not a career politician. I'm not 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:34.080 an officehopper. I'm a businessman, a former state trooper. It's 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.960 time for us to get serious. Look to other states, 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.320 and we know that work, and just do that. This 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.200 is not our seventeen seventy six moment where we have 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.080 to figure things out. We know what works, what's good 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.840 public policy, and we out are replicated. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.400 You know, my friend's over at the American Legislative Exchange Council. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.840 Every year they do they rank the states one through fifty, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:58.760 rich state, poor state. I don't have my book with 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.640 me it's in Maine. I don't know where Oklahoma is, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.240 but you're right next door to Texas and they don't 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.920 have an income tax. How can Oklahoma have an income 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.760 tax if Texas doesn't have an income tax. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:11.600 I mean, that's where I'm saying. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.560 I mean, good public policy is replicatable, and the reality 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.480 is not every state is blessed to have a neighbor 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.760 like Texas where we do in Oklahoma. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.680 And Texas is a country on a standalone. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.600 Basis, they're the seventh largest GDP in the world, And 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:27.280 so you are exactly right, Hugh. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.160 We should replicate really good policy like Texas does. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.640 Because, as I tell people traveling the state, we don't 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.480 want to beat Texas. We want to beat them in 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.480 football when we play them, but certainly we want to 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.000 be like them from a good governing and public policy 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.360 and conservative value perspective, because the crumbs that come out 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.680 of Texas are very real. And look, we are living 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.280 through a fourth Industrial Revolution. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.280 Right now, energy power. It is a big deal. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:01.040 And Oklahoma's blessed to have unlimited natural resource potentials in 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.600 fossil fuels, and that's the industry that I've been in, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.480 and it's time to really lean in on it. It's 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.400 a national security issue. We have unlimited natural gas potential 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:10.000 in Oklahoma. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:10.960 It's time really. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.199 For us as a state to plan our flag and 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.040 be part of this fourth Industrial Revolution that's. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:18.880 Going on real time. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.280 I mean, we have an opportunity to be an incredible state, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.280 much more incredible than where we are today. 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:24.920 Yeah. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.879 My last hour today, I'm going to be talking with 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.000 Sean Sankar, who wrote the book Mobilized, about the new 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.520 defense industries that are springing up everywhere. One of the 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.639 things they need is a business friendly and climate. And 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:39.720 they need lots of energy, especially if they're doing data centers. 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.720 And I assume you guys have got whatever they need 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.240 when it comes to natural gas. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.400 Yeah, that's exactly right. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:52.280 So we think about AI and I propose bringing the 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.639 Trump National Lab to Oklahoma. And national labs are a 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:00.639 very real thing from a GDP perspective, jobs perspective, energy, 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:06.040 AI and aerospace. Oklahoma's second largest industry is the aerospace industry. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.280 Number one is oil on gas. We have both. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.080 What does AI need. AI is a critical part of 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.679 the aerospace defense race. It's a big industry in Oklahoma. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.560 It's time for us to lean in. We have the 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:23.359 natural gas and as President Trump has laid out sound 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.240 policy around, we're not going to jam our rate payers 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:31.200 on grid. We can't use our precious resources with water. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:33.479 There's a way to do it in Oklahoma where we 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.000 can do both, not be on grid, we can be 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:39.480 behind the meter power this stuff directly with natural gas. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.159 And every natural gas well in Oklahoma produces water, and 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.400 it's not good water. And there's a way for us 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.480 to lean in on American ingenuity and utilize the bad 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.720 produced water that's called salt water and descale it, utilize 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.000 it for the cooling needs for data centers, and we 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.120 can really lean in and help win on this very 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.080 important national security issue. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.680 Chif Kating, good to talk to you. We'll stay in touch. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.240