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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College. All Things

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Speaker 2: They now have the chance that is around to permanently

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Speaker 2: abandon their nuclear ambitions and.

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Speaker 3: To join a new path forward. We'll see if they

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Speaker 3: want to do it. If they don't, where they worse Nightman.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we'll just keep blowing them away, unimpeded, unstopped.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's not a thing they can do about it.

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Speaker 3: They can't do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you if they could, If they could,

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Speaker 1: you'd be hearing about it.

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Speaker 3: You'd be hearing about it.

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Speaker 4: You don't hear anything about it. Born and Glory and

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Speaker 4: even Grace America.

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Speaker 1: I'm you, Hewitt. That was President Trump in the cabinet

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Speaker 1: the meeting about an hour ago. I begin today's program

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Speaker 1: with Jim Garrity. If National Review also a calm for

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post you ought to be getting. He is

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Speaker 1: Morning Daily jolt. You ought to be listening to him

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Speaker 1: on the Editors and the three Martini lunch Jim, I

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Speaker 1: have been following you on the Editors. You're in the

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Speaker 1: category of boy. I wish he'd explained it more clearly

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. I understand that. But we're just crushing

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Speaker 1: these people, these bad guys, and we're not killing civilians.

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Speaker 1: I think this is going very well, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a pivot point in history.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 5: Militarily it is going really well. It dawned on me

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Speaker 5: the other day, Hugh. Have we had casualties since the

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Speaker 5: initial we had the plane.

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Speaker 3: The C seventeen that went down.

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Speaker 5: We had the initial casualties and a strike on one

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Speaker 3: Have we had military and uniform casualty?

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Speaker 1: We have lost thirteene we have not. There are some

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Speaker 1: seriously wounded, one of whom may have died. I'm a

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Speaker 1: little bit confused on what happens. Or it might be fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Israeli has lost another one yesterday. Their death toll is

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Speaker 1: up to eighteen. In our golf out, I lost twenty.

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Speaker 1: So among all of the Allied power powers and those

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Speaker 1: who have been attacked. The death toll is somewhere around sixty.

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Speaker 5: You and I from our haircuts, people can tell are

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Speaker 5: on the longer side. I have good memories of the

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one Gulf War. Somebody went back and looked

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Speaker 5: at the number of US planes shot down.

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Speaker 3: During the Persian Gulf War.

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Speaker 5: This is nineteen ninety one, and there were more planes

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Speaker 5: shot down over Iraq under Saddam Hussein and the technology

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Speaker 5: available then. I'm from a small town in New Jersey

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Speaker 5: from Mtuchen, so that really kind of brought everything home there.

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Speaker 3: So militarily is doing quite well.

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Speaker 5: I think if you had more ships going through the

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Speaker 5: straight of war moves, I think everybody feel a lot

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Speaker 5: better about this. This is in the one card the

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Speaker 5: Iranians have had to play, and they've played it pretty effectively.

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Speaker 5: They are effectively charging a toll to go through the

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Speaker 3: Moves, and this is one of their demands to end

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Speaker 5: I would point out that this is you know, shooting

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Speaker 3: This is the only card they have to play.

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Speaker 5: If the US can get enough mind sweeping equipment out there,

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Speaker 3: That they can do.

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Speaker 5: I do think the ballistic missile that they launched that

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Speaker 3: That was a bit ominous.

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Speaker 5: No, I've heard folks saying that it Actually they did

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Speaker 3: So, you know, militarily, it's going very well.

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Speaker 5: I think we can take The real question is the

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Speaker 5: straight That's what's causing the gas prices, that's what's causing

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Speaker 3: That's you know all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: I would point out, according to Triple A though it's

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Speaker 3: That's that's not great, but that is kind of indicating

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Speaker 1: A ceiling there right in California where my sign is

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Speaker 1: with his family at six and a half dollars a gallon,

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Speaker 1: But we're used to that in California because of the

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Speaker 3: We're actould say only six and a half.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's kind of crazy out there. But even

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Speaker 1: if this went on for another month and gas stayed high,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to your grandchildren When you're an

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Speaker 1: old man like me and you've got grandchildren, Jim, what

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Speaker 1: would you say about the cost benefit if the regime

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Speaker 5: At that point, it's a bargain, that is, you know,

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Speaker 5: if you can topple the regime and replace it with regime.

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Speaker 3: Never mind democracy, although that would be very nice. Let's

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Speaker 3: say a regime that.

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Speaker 5: Is responsive to the voices of the people, then.

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Speaker 3: It would have a situation, which that would be, you know,

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Speaker 3: definitely worth this price.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, six days a week and twice

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Speaker 5: last time, Rich put in a question to me, if

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Speaker 5: we keep the regime in place but they verifiably give

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Speaker 3: And very much I would like to see this regime toppled.

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, the President himself said to the Iranians,

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Speaker 3: He told them to overthrow their oppressors.

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Speaker 5: I think if the regime is still in control at

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Speaker 5: but I think that would be a significant deal sweetener

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Speaker 1: So I'll be very critical if they are in control,

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Speaker 1: because that means they, as Guy Benson said on Special.

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Speaker 3: Report to Kicking the Fan down the Road, Yeah, they lie.

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Speaker 1: When they breathe, they immediately start digging another tunnel and

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Speaker 1: ordering centrifuges from the chicoms, and they'll start all over again.

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Speaker 1: And they still have four hundred and sixty pounds of

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Speaker 1: what the President called nuclear dust. That's like dirty bomb central.

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Speaker 1: For the next one hundred years. We really can't let

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Speaker 1: this regime stay in place. And I don't think, my gosh,

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: We've never had this kind of precision munition strike over

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Speaker 1: the course of six weeks on a regime that is

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Speaker 1: that unpopular among its people. That's the difference. It's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The economists cover this week shows the Iranian.

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Speaker 5: Flag and the world like as a map of the world,

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Speaker 3: That's kind of ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: I may not be quite as optimistic as say my

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Speaker 3: Uh, maybe not as optimistic as you, Hugh.

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Speaker 4: But in the end we're very optimistic. You we're not

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Speaker 5: I think it myself as pretty hawks compared so hawkish.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I want to see us get to

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Speaker 5: Short of that, a you know, regime that has had

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Speaker 5: nuclear program, doesn't have ballistic missile program. That's all good steps,

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Speaker 5: but I think I concur with you that at some

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Speaker 5: And you know, when you get into a fight with

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Speaker 5: They may not be able to do it now. They

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Speaker 5: or you know whatever other metaphors you want to use

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Speaker 5: for a guy who looks like he's auditioning for the Mummy.

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Speaker 5: But whatever, you know, he's not in a situation where

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Speaker 5: he can order terrorist attacks against America. But in six

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Speaker 5: no fun intended and uh probably looking for revenge in one.

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Speaker 1: Form always a ten yure pun. Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: about not Mission creep. Everyone knows what Mission creep is,

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Speaker 1: but victory creep. Five years ago, the Israelis would have

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Speaker 4: That was a victory, and we celebrated as such.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got victory creep beyond destroying the nuclear program,

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Speaker 1: I mean really into bits and beyond the missile program.

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Speaker 1: Now we want the regime instruments of terror, and we

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Speaker 4: Our victory creep mode.

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Speaker 5: Here maybe, But also keep in mind, you know, how

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Speaker 5: all that. This really started because of the protests against

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Speaker 5: People genuinely thought this might be the end of the regime.

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Speaker 5: All of this started because they were in dire economic straits,

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Speaker 5: money was absolutely declining. Assuming the Mollas stay in power

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Speaker 5: have all the same problems. You know, the people may

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Speaker 3: Of bread at the markets.

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Speaker 5: So long term, this regime is in real trouble if

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Speaker 1: I'm jet inside the beltweigh today in the Relief Factor studio,

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Speaker 1: So please to welcome Chip Keating to the program. Chip

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Speaker 1: A little bit later in the are I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: how are you and how goes the campaign?

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Speaker 6: Hey you, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 6: The campaign's terrific. We've got a ton of momentum and

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Speaker 1: Now, I go down to Oklahoma every three or four

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Speaker 1: What are the issues that people are fighting about in Oklahoma?

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Speaker 1: Because it's such a nice place to.

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Speaker 6: Visit, Oklahoma is great. Look the biggest issues in Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: And it's anything but that.

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Speaker 6: And so we are a triple Trump all seventy seven counties,

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Speaker 6: all three election cycles for President Trump were very red state.

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Speaker 1: Now, I would have assumed that Oklahoma was pretty dog

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Speaker 6: And we do have great higher ed in Oklahoma USU

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Speaker 3: And so enough's enough. Parents are outraged. Reading education.

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Speaker 6: It's a fundamental genesis of everything. We're per capita number

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Speaker 4: Now, how does Oklahoma raise its money?

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Speaker 1: California tax I fled California to Virginia because they just

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Speaker 6: There, There's a lot of reform to be had in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're so blessed.

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Speaker 6: To be in a fossil fuel stated. You think about

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Speaker 6: And if Oklahoma's really going to be a winner in

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Speaker 3: And we have the power and power is a big deal.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 6: We're blessed to have fossil fuels everywhere in our state.

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Speaker 6: But where are the real migration patterns going.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're going to really pro.

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Speaker 6: Tax policy, good public policy, states that have great education,

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Speaker 6: Oklahoma is a great place. I mean, we are an

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Speaker 3: Look at Mississippi.

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Speaker 6: I think Mississippi is a good example for Oklahoma to study.

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Speaker 6: the UK. I mean, look at Tennessee, a great landlocked

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Speaker 3: And so what are they doing? I mean, frankly, the

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Speaker 6: Doing really good public policy. And so, as I traveled

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Speaker 6: time for us to get serious. Look to other states,

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Speaker 6: and we know that work, and just do that. This

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Speaker 1: You know, my friend's over at the American Legislative Exchange Council.

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Speaker 1: Every year they do they rank the states one through fifty,

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Speaker 1: but you're right next door to Texas and they don't

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's where I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I mean, good public policy is replicatable, and the reality

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Speaker 3: We should replicate really good policy like Texas does.

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Speaker 6: Because, as I tell people traveling the state, we don't

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Speaker 3: Right now, energy power. It is a big deal.

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Speaker 6: And Oklahoma's blessed to have unlimited natural resource potentials in

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Speaker 3: It's time really.

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Speaker 6: For us as a state to plan our flag and

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Speaker 6: I mean, we have an opportunity to be an incredible state,

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Speaker 1: My last hour today, I'm going to be talking with

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Speaker 1: defense industries that are springing up everywhere. One of the

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Speaker 1: And I assume you guys have got whatever they need

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 6: So we think about AI and I propose bringing the

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Speaker 6: very real thing from a GDP perspective, jobs perspective, energy,

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Speaker 3: Number one is oil on gas. We have both.

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Speaker 6: It's time for us to lean in. We have the

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Speaker 6: And every natural gas well in Oklahoma produces water, and

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Speaker 6: it's not good water. And there's a way for us

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Speaker 1: Chif Kating, good to talk to you. We'll stay in touch.

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Speaker 1: Kating twenty twenty six. Is your website Kating twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six dot com.

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Speaker 3: When is the primary chip June sixteenth.

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Speaker 6: So for all of your wonderful viewers and listeners that

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Speaker 3: You on team Keaty and your boat and you. It's

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Speaker 3: a pleasure to be with you, sir.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, so thank you, Chef.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you again, Sue. Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewittt. We're joined now by Senator James Langford of Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: He's on three big committees, Senate Finance Committee, Homeland Security,

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Speaker 1: and Intel and Senator welcome. I got to talk to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the performance of the American military has been stellar.

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Speaker 7: I don't think anyone Republican, Democrat, independent would challenge that

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Speaker 7: They moved to tremendous speed and professionalism. All of these

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Speaker 7: through this process. The challenges you're dealing with a deeply

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Speaker 7: So they are literally fighting for their lives as a regime.

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Speaker 7: At the same time the people of Iran are fighting

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Speaker 7: So it is a complicated situation try to get this

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Speaker 7: to resolution. But the military has been spectacular in this process.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, I've covered every war since the first Golf four.

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Speaker 1: I went on the air in nineteen ninety and so

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Speaker 1: I didn't get Panama, but every war since then, I

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Speaker 1: have never seen negative coverage like this. And it's not

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Speaker 1: mission creep, it's victory creep. Everyone keeps redefining victory is

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Speaker 1: something that we haven't seen or haven't got yet, and

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Speaker 1: they wanted it. Yet it's been less than four weeks.

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Speaker 1: We've had ten thousand targets. We've had fourteen terrible casualties

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Speaker 1: at the Israelis eighteen our golf allies around twenty. So

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Speaker 1: it's not it's an enormous cost for those families, But

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Speaker 1: in terms of war, this is an extraordinary achievement. And

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Speaker 1: I can't believe this regime can survive even if we

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Speaker 1: stop the bombing.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they'll be there in a year, do you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I pray that they are not. For the people

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Speaker 7: of Irun and for all of us that want to

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Speaker 7: live in peace.

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Speaker 8: In the region.

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Speaker 7: The reason we have bases in Barrois and we US

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Speaker 7: we have basis in Saudi Arabia and in UAE and

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Speaker 7: in all of that area Diego Garcia in the corporation

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Speaker 7: is because of Iran. We spend billions of dollars a

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Speaker 7: year just protecting Americans and shipping in that area. Because

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Speaker 7: Iran is this radical terrorist regime that they open and

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Speaker 7: close the strait of our moves based at their own preferences.

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Speaker 7: They carry out acts of terrorism the entire region based

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Speaker 7: on their will and their preferences on this So to

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Speaker 7: have a moment that we could finally say, after forty

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Speaker 7: seven years, they're going to stop. They're not going to

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Speaker 7: do this anymore. Is a tremendous gain for the American people.

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Speaker 7: So the presidents stayed very focused, he say, focused on

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Speaker 7: they can have a nuclear weapon, they can have this

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Speaker 7: ballistic missile program, they can have a program for these

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Speaker 7: one way attack drones they're going to use. They can

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Speaker 7: have a terrorist proxy network that they're going to continue

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Speaker 7: to fund, and they can't have a navy that's going

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Speaker 7: to open and close the strait of our moves. He's

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Speaker 7: been very focused on that. Israel has been very very

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Speaker 7: focused on regime change. They know every single day, every

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Speaker 7: single Jew in the world is at risk as long

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Speaker 7: as that regime is actually in power. So you've got

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Speaker 7: two different nations, both taken on the same nation, different

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Speaker 7: priorities on this, but we both think it's very very important.

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Speaker 1: Now that's the very important stuff. Let's move to the

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Speaker 1: stuff that's so dumb it makes my head hurt. The

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Speaker 1: terrorist regime we are fighting would blow us all up

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Speaker 1: through one of their proxies, or has blow if they could.

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Speaker 1: But the Department of Homeland Security is shuttered are the

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Speaker 1: and the TSA lines might be to my front door

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Speaker 1: now from Reagan National is the Democrat? Is there any

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Speaker 1: Democrat other than John Fetterman who said, well, we really

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing this to the American people.

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Speaker 7: There are finally a few I can't say their names,

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Speaker 7: but they're finally a few saying enough is enough. We've

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Speaker 7: got to be able to resolve this. We've been pounding

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Speaker 7: on this over and over and over again. There is

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Speaker 7: a very real risk. We are in current conflict with Iran,

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Speaker 7: who has a very extensive cyber network that they use

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Speaker 7: for attacks.

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Speaker 8: They're a terrorist nation that they're.

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Speaker 7: Looking for ones and twos of people to be able

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Speaker 7: to find people to be able to attack anywhere in

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Speaker 7: the world they can do that. Iran is not afraid

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Speaker 7: to be able to partner with other terror networks, even

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Speaker 7: if they don't philosophically agree with them, to be able

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Speaker 7: to partner with them to get their will. They also

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Speaker 7: cooperate with gangs and with other thugs and mafia groups

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Speaker 7: that they want to be able to pay off and

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Speaker 7: partner to do their dirty work. This is a regime

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Speaker 7: that they like, this kind of asymmetric warfare to be

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Speaker 7: able to type because they know they can't reach us. So, yes,

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Speaker 7: homeland security is incredibly important. That's including border security. That's

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Speaker 7: including picking up individuals that were here during the Biden

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Speaker 7: administration that we need to be able to remove because

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Speaker 7: we don't have any idea what their background is. But

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Speaker 7: that also includes FEMA operations, Coast Guard operations, Secret Service operations.

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Speaker 8: All of those things are important.

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Speaker 3: We've got to get them going again. This is enough?

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Speaker 3: Is enough?

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Speaker 1: Do any of your Democratic colleagues read about Sheridan Gorman,

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Speaker 1: the eighteen year old who was shot in the back

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Speaker 1: my illegal immigrant waved into the country in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: arrested and released in Chicago without getting a notification. Do

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Speaker 1: they aren't they ashamed at what happened under Joe Biden?

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Speaker 4: Is this is not an isolated incident. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: They will say alex Pretty's name over and over again

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Speaker 7: and that's an incredibly tragic event. But they will not

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Speaker 7: repeat the name of Lake and Riley. They will not

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Speaker 7: repeat the name of Sharon Gorman, They will not repeat

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Speaker 7: those other names. They just want to ignore that and

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Speaker 7: assume there is no problem with illegal immigration. This is

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Speaker 7: something that the Trump administration just manufactured when all of

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Speaker 7: us as Americans.

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Speaker 8: Know that's just not true.

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Speaker 7: There is a very religious let's just admit and be

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Speaker 7: honest about what's really happening here, and let's work through

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Speaker 7: the process on this. And yes, there are moments that

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Speaker 7: every agency, every law enforcement agency, makes mistakes, and they

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Speaker 7: deal with life and death every single day. But they're

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Speaker 7: also protecting the American citizens every single day, and we've

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Speaker 7: got to allow them to do that.

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Speaker 1: So last question, where we get more votes on DHS.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the leader is planning. I know

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Speaker 1: you're doing the Save Act debate, but I wish you'd

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Speaker 1: vote on it every day because the Democrats are just

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Speaker 1: making everyone crazy at the airport and we're all aware

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Speaker 1: of the danger.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we will continue to vote on every single day.

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Speaker 7: As you know, we've been in continuous session every single

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Speaker 7: day the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: John Thune and myself.

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Speaker 7: And others have said we should stay in session every

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Speaker 7: single day until we get DHS SALVETD.

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Speaker 8: This is the best way to be a resolve.

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Speaker 7: This is one of the things that I've been an

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Speaker 7: advocate for for weeks and weeks that as soon as

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Speaker 7: this started, I've said we should stay here every day

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Speaker 7: and debate this until we actually solve it.

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Speaker 8: We should never leave on it.

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Speaker 7: Now we finally reach that point that everyone else agrees

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Speaker 7: with me on it. Everybody's staying until we solve the

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Speaker 7: DHS issue.

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Speaker 8: We need These folks paid the.

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Speaker 1: Senator James Leifrid of Oklahoma. Thanks, welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. Eleon and Y Johnson is editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of the Washington Free Beacon. She is also a

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Speaker 1: regular contributor on the commentary podcast ely On Moments ago.

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Speaker 1: A minute ago, President Trump posted on true Social this

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Speaker 1: as per Iranian government request. Please let this statement serve

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Speaker 1: to represent that I am pausing the period of energy

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Speaker 1: plant destruction by ten days to Monday, April sixth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, at eight pm Eastern Time. Talks are on

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Speaker 1: going in despite erroneous statements to the contrary by the

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Speaker 1: fake news media and others, they are going very well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J.

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Speaker 4: Trump. What do you think, Eliana, Well.

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Speaker 9: Hugh, it seems to me that in the talks, the

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Speaker 9: US is asking for what it's always been asking for,

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Speaker 9: including that Iran never pursue nuclear capabilities and destroy what's

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Speaker 9: there of its existing nuclear capabilities, and vow never to

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Speaker 9: pursue nuclear enrichment. These are not new things, so I'm

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Speaker 9: quite skeptical that negotiations will be productive. And Iran now

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Speaker 9: is coming to the table in an extraordinarily weakened state

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Speaker 9: and making demands that I just can't see the President

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Speaker 9: agreeing to, including the payment of reparations, payment for tankers

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Speaker 9: to transit the Strait of war moves, and they're demanding

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Speaker 9: that we shutter our military bases in the region. At

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Speaker 9: the same time, the President saying they better get serious

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Speaker 9: about negotiations as our marines arrive in the region and

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Speaker 9: the Pentagon prepares options for a final blow. So part

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Speaker 9: of me wonders if the President isn't buying some time

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Speaker 9: for additional military assets to get in the region and

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Speaker 9: to talk to his advisors about what these which of

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Speaker 9: these options might make the most sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, in the spectrum of possibilities, there's he's blowing smoke,

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Speaker 1: but the Iranians don't know that, and they're looking at

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Speaker 1: each other wondering who's talking to him. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: that someone's talking to him, and we know what victory

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Speaker 1: is the victory is the Marines or the eighty second

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Speaker 1: Airborne surround Fodor and we spend a month getting the

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Speaker 1: yellow cake or whatever the what do you call them,

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Speaker 1: radioactive dust out of there, and we have instant inspections

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Speaker 1: everywhere in the country and we leave with it.

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Speaker 4: We know how to measure victory.

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Speaker 1: We got to get the enriched uranium out, otherwise it's

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Speaker 1: not a victory.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree that's like a baseline.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's one option.

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Speaker 9: I think the president's also looking at other options. I'm

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Speaker 9: just reading the reporting on this of invading or blockading

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Speaker 9: carg Island, of seizing other islands. And you know, we

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Speaker 9: heard from the ambassador of the UAE that they're deploying

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Speaker 9: forces to help us reopen the Strait of Hormuz, which

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Speaker 9: I think is an unconditional aspect of ending hostilities here.

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Speaker 9: We cannot end anything with that straight close. But in

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Speaker 9: the meantime, we're sending several fighter jet squadrons and thousands

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Speaker 9: of troops to the region. And the head of the

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Speaker 9: IRGC Navy, who is running this operation to keep the

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Speaker 9: straight closed, has been assassinated by the Israeli military overnight.

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Speaker 3: So yes, I agree with you.

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Speaker 9: The uranium has to get out of there, or Iran

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Speaker 9: has to have a new leadership that vows to destroy

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Speaker 9: this in a way that's verifiable to the US and

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Speaker 9: the rest of the world. And Hugh, I also think

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Speaker 9: it's noteworthy that the president, our golf allies are now

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Speaker 9: invested in this. The President's hearing from the UAE, the Saudis,

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Speaker 9: and other golf allies that he must finish the jobs.

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Speaker 9: So while he may have advisors in the White House

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Speaker 9: and elsewhere pressing him or showing him polls telling him

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Speaker 9: that this has gone on too long, he's hearing from

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Speaker 9: others around the world that he can't end this prematurely.

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Speaker 9: And I think there's a tremendous amount of concern that

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Speaker 9: he will do that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you and I and no Ah A. Rothman,

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Speaker 1: Jim Garritty to there's a group of iron warhawks, and

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Speaker 1: I'm in there, Guy Benson, there are a bunch of us,

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Speaker 1: and certainly Jack Keene is number one warhawk. Finish the job,

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Speaker 1: And by finish the job, I mean let the Iranian

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Speaker 1: people be free, and let's get all of the nuclear

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Speaker 1: stuff out of there and they can begin to rebuild

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Speaker 1: a normal regime. Of course, the strait of horror moves

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Speaker 1: has to be open. And I haven't seen the statement

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Speaker 1: by Ambassador of Taiba. I read what he wrote in

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal yesterday. He may be the most

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Speaker 1: influential man in Washington, d C. Who's not an American.

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Speaker 1: I'm very glad to see that. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of our NATO allies, Eliana, Well.

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Speaker 9: I think it's unfortunate that they're not joining this. Of course,

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Speaker 9: you know, the President's determination to seize Greenland that came

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Speaker 9: before this probably soured them to a certain extent. But

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Speaker 9: nonetheless I think it's too bad and the UK in

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Speaker 9: particular not backing the president on this. I think it's

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Speaker 9: shameful and people will remember it this way. Certainly the

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Speaker 9: President will remember it for the next three years of

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Speaker 9: his presidency.

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Speaker 3: It's unfortunate.

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Speaker 9: I think Mark Rudy is looking to, you know, lean

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Speaker 9: on them to join this fight. But where our NATO

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Speaker 9: allies are not stepping up our golf, you know, frenemies

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Speaker 9: certainly are and pressing him to the folks in the

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Speaker 9: region know how important this is, and our Israeli allies

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Speaker 9: are certainly pressing him to stay the course on this

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Speaker 9: and I think the President himself, you know, thinks in

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Speaker 9: historical terms.

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Speaker 3: He did before, but.

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Speaker 9: Certainly after that assassination attempt in Butler even more so,

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Speaker 9: he's thinking in historical terms, and this is really his

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Speaker 9: opportunity to leave a mark on history.

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Speaker 1: This is the worlds visit by far the most important thing.

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Speaker 9: I mean, there's no there's no question, you know, ridding

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Speaker 9: ridding Venezuela of Maduro and bringing him to face a

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Speaker 9: trial in the United States was important, but this is

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Speaker 9: far more important. It's a country that's menace not just

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Speaker 9: the region, but the world and the United States for

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Speaker 9: nearly five decades, and he he has an opportunity. And

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Speaker 9: not only that, you know, he's halfway there. It seems

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Speaker 9: from what General General Kine and others have said that,

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Speaker 9: you know, we're about two or three weeks out from

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Speaker 9: finishing this up.

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Speaker 4: So Elean, I want to switch topics. I have.

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Speaker 1: I've hesitated to talk about this, but pretty much every

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Speaker 1: crazy person in the world now knows we have the

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Speaker 1: softest targets in the world. At every major airline airport

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Speaker 1: in the country, hundreds of people stacked outside of TSA,

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousands of people congregated with luggage and children

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Speaker 1: and all that sort of if anything goes wrong at

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Speaker 1: any of these airports, who gets blamed for this? I

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Speaker 1: think the Democrats do. But do you agree with me.

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Speaker 9: You know, Hugh, I'm not sure. It doesn't seem to

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Speaker 9: this point that they're paying a price. And that's in part,

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Speaker 9: I think because of the message around it. My former

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Speaker 9: colleague Rachel Baide made a great point in her wonderful

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Speaker 9: newsletter yesterday that people are wondering why Republican lawmakers aren't

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Speaker 9: holding press conferences in airports with the lines behind them

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Speaker 9: and with TSA agents at the who aren't getting paid

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Speaker 9: at the lecterns talking about what they're suffering and what

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Speaker 9: the dangers are to the public in the middle of

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Speaker 9: a war. While this is happening, and you know, we're

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Speaker 9: on the heels of spring break, there could also be

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Speaker 9: a wonderful ad campaign. My colleague Christine Rosen mentioned about

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Speaker 9: who ruined spring Break? That's a lighter, you know, lighter

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Speaker 9: way to go about it, but it's serious, and I

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Speaker 9: think the idea of having press conferences in airports and

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Speaker 9: drawing attention to this is a good one. But I

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Speaker 9: think because the White House has put such a priority

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Speaker 9: on passing this Save Act about Voting, which has no

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Speaker 9: chance of really passing the Senate. The messaging has gotten

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Speaker 9: mixed and muddled, and people aren't really clear who's responsible

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Speaker 9: for this.

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Speaker 1: Well, from your lips to every Republican listening, that is

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Speaker 1: a great idea. I say kudos to Rachel Bade for

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Speaker 1: me because it is a Democrat problem, and it is

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Speaker 1: a soft target, and it's a disaster. I'm worried about.

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Speaker 1: Always got to talk to you. Eleana follow her on exit.

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Speaker 1: Eleana y Johnson listened to her on the commentary Pod

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Speaker 1: most of mornings because it's just simply the best podcast

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Speaker 1: out there. Stay tuned, America.

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Speaker 4: I'm here. Welcome back America.

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Speaker 1: Jim tell Its, senior fellow for the Regular Suit Center

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Speaker 1: for Peace, joins me. Now former Senator Talent, welcome. You're

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Speaker 1: military expert. How do you think the war in Iran

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Speaker 1: is going.

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Speaker 2: The way anybody who understands the American military knew it

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Speaker 2: was going to go. We're pounding the stuffing out of them. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: the military action is not over because we have some

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Speaker 2: cleanup to do. You if you're running a let me

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Speaker 2: give you some advice you if you're if you're running

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Speaker 2: a country that has a coastline and you or an

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Speaker 2: adversary of the United States, do not give the United

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Speaker 2: States Navy an air force two months to build up

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Speaker 2: unless you have very good integrated air defenses, because they're

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Speaker 2: gonna just they can destroy your economy, your military apparatus.

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Speaker 2: That is exactly what is happening. And anybody who thinks

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Speaker 2: it isn't happening you is not living in the real world.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to stop an adversary, you have

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Speaker 2: to change their intention or destroy their capability. President Trump

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Speaker 2: tried to change their intentions, so did every other president.

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't change. So now we're destroying their capability and

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Speaker 2: that's going to stop them.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, I'm afraid of something that I call victory creep.

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Speaker 1: You know, admission creep is victory creep is. No matter

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Speaker 1: what we do, the Left is going to say it

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Speaker 1: wasn't enough. To me, it's clear we've destroyed their offensive capability.

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Speaker 1: The one thing the really the straits got to be open,

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Speaker 1: and we will open that. That every like Mark Montgomery

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Speaker 1: tell me we're going to open this train. That's a

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Speaker 1: question of will and time, and we've got it. We

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Speaker 1: got to get the highly enriched uranium or it's not

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Speaker 1: a win win win because that notes can be dirty bombs.

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Speaker 4: Do you agree with me on that?

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Speaker 2: Not really you, because we've just we've destroyed I believe

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Speaker 2: we did last summer.

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Speaker 3: We destroyed the complex.

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Speaker 2: You have to not you have to be able to

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Speaker 2: make a bomb, and then you have to be able

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Speaker 2: to weaponize the bomb. And they may have It's not

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Speaker 2: a good thing if they have the uranium. But if

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Speaker 2: we get the rest of it and the regime staggers on,

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Speaker 2: we can police that. I mean, I think they're years

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Speaker 2: and years behind in terms of nuclear production, and you

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're ever going to be able to rebuild.

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Speaker 2: The economy was a basket case before this, and the

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Speaker 2: Israelis are going to police this, and they obviously know

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Speaker 2: everything that's going on in Iran. So I would like

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Speaker 2: to get it now. I would not set that as

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Speaker 2: a bar I never did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, what's in my definition by the program,

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Speaker 1: I will yield it. Let me ask you this. The

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Speaker 1: Israelis can kill whomever they want. Should they kill a

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Speaker 1: Rachi and the speaker and the new head of the

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Speaker 1: IRGC before they're done.

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Speaker 2: Well, that depends on something you and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: which is whose game are those people playing? Whose game

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Speaker 2: might they play? And this is one of the things

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Speaker 2: Trump is doing in these negotiations. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: can I make a comment about the negotiations that I

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Speaker 2: haven't heard anybody else make?

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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've watched Trump, I read his book. I did

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Speaker 2: a lot of negotiation when I was younger and in

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Speaker 2: the Congress. This man has been negotiating longer than the

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Speaker 2: Islamic Republicans has been around. He is aiming master at it,

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Speaker 2: and he wants everybody speculating as to what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: When you do that, you are entering his domain. You're

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Speaker 2: fighting the shark in the water. The only two things

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Speaker 2: we know that I feel certain that he's doing here

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Speaker 2: is number one, having destroyed their capability, he's checking in

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Speaker 2: with them to see if they're going to change their intention.

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Speaker 2: In other words, he's saying, look, have you had enough yet?

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Speaker 2: And then the second thing I know about this is

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Speaker 2: he is not a man who's going to give the

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Speaker 2: other side a better deal than they could have gotten

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Speaker 2: a month ago before. He's pounded the crud out of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is not going to happen. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think I would. I would think an alien had

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Speaker 2: taken over Donald Trump's body if he gives them a

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Speaker 2: better It's just not in the soul of a negotiator

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Speaker 2: to do that. Remember, I saw a clip the other

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Speaker 2: day where he was speculating. He says they're in a

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Speaker 2: very weak bargaining position. I mean, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Red crack bull.

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Speaker 1: The richest man in Rome and part of the original

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Speaker 1: Triumvirate with Julius Caesar and puppy Marcus Crassus used to

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Speaker 1: pull a private fire brigade up to a house that

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Speaker 1: was burning or a building it was burning an ancient Rome,

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Speaker 1: and he'd make an offer on the property and if

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Speaker 1: they turn him down, they.

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Speaker 4: Just wait till some more of it burned down.

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Speaker 3: And so that's what he did.

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Speaker 4: That's what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Trump is I'm sure he's also thinking way ahead and

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Speaker 2: thinking about things like, hmm, once we get controlled the straight,

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Speaker 2: how much of that oil can we get a piece

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Speaker 2: of that oil? I mean, he's thinking about all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's worried about the politics, and I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be either. Because this is going to be over

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Speaker 2: well before the midterms. It doesn't matter what all these

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Speaker 2: people now are saying, the Economist magazine and the rest

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Speaker 2: of it. It's going to be seen as a win

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Speaker 2: by the American people, and the American people liked their

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Speaker 2: were short and successful. Again, this is not something I

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Speaker 2: would love the campaign on this if I was running

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Speaker 2: the cycle.

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Speaker 1: So about NATO, Jim, you and I both like NATO

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Speaker 1: and I'm mad at him for the first time in

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Speaker 1: my life.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, NATO consists of more, remember than just

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Speaker 2: the Spanish or the British or the French. This has

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Speaker 2: told us what we already knew, is that there are

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Speaker 2: certain partners in NATO who have neither the capability nor

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Speaker 2: the resolution to really add anything to the alliance. And

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Speaker 2: that's that's the truth that the President has sent. It's

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Speaker 2: the truth Vance has sent, Rubio has sent. Mike Johnson

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Speaker 2: sent it when he spoke to the to the House

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Speaker 2: of Commons. I mean, it's you know, and I know

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Speaker 2: some of the Western Europeans are very angry about this,

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Speaker 2: but when I hear that, it reminds me of a

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Speaker 2: line from the Book of Galatians. Okay, both you and

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Speaker 2: I are Christian men. Where Paul wrote the Galatian Church

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Speaker 2: and he said, am I now your enemy? Because I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you the truth. That's all the That's all we're

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Speaker 2: telling them, which is, if you want to have a

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Speaker 2: vital alliance and you want to be part of it,

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Speaker 2: you have to bring something to the table the way

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Speaker 2: the Israelis do, the way the Japanese are doing, and

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Speaker 2: you're not bringing anything to the table. The British are

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Speaker 2: down to less than thirty surface combatants, and many of

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Speaker 2: them are laid up in maintenance.

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Speaker 1: I think the UAE and Saudi Arabia have stepped up

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Speaker 1: in my esteem, have they in yours?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean Trump is he's not as shoeing alliances. He

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Speaker 2: wants partners who will at least burden share, And in

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Speaker 2: the case of the Israelis, I think going forward, they're

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Speaker 2: going to own the burden of military activity in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East. I think we're going to see a partnership

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Speaker 2: emerging based on economics, Israeli military power, and the diplomatic

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Speaker 2: leadership of the United States. And I think it's going

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Speaker 2: to We're going to have a peaceful region.

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Speaker 1: From your lips to God's ears, Jim Talent. Follow him

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Speaker 1: on ext Jim Talent, Thank you. Stay tuned America. I

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Speaker 4: You've got a brand new book out.

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915
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916
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Speaker 1: I got to tell you that until I listened to

919
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Speaker 1: the book on tape for the second half of the book,

920
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: I always thought we'd pronounce your first name.

921
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: Shyam, but it's Shum.

922
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: How many people make that mistake a day.

923
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Speaker 3: I can't even count. O.

924
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Speaker 1: Okrect, Well, it's a fabulous book.

925
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to start your backstory, by the way, it's fascinating.

926
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Speaker 1: If we have time, I'm going to go back to

927
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Speaker 1: your father, youngest of nine kids in India, your trip

928
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Speaker 1: to moving to Nigeria, while you fled in Nigeria, How

929
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: your father went to floor. I want to get all

930
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Speaker 1: that in, but I'm going to start with where you

931
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Speaker 1: are right now, sort of your end story.

932
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Speaker 4: You are in.

933
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Speaker 1: The Reserve Executive Innovation Corps. You are one of the

934
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Speaker 1: first recruits to it. I've never heard of it before.

935
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: What is it and what are you doing for the government.

936
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a new reserve unit that the Army stood

937
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 10: up about.

938
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: A year ago.

939
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 10: It's me, it's the CTO of META, the guy who

940
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 10: admitted chat GPT Bob McGrew and the chief product Officer

941
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 10: now head of Science at open Aye. And really the

942
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 10: idea behind it is much like World War Two and

943
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 10: keeping with the themes of the book around mobilized. We

944
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 10: direct commission one hundred thousand people from our economy. Some

945
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 10: of them worked at Disney and they were put in

946
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 10: charge of war communication. Some of them worked in manufacturing

947
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 10: and they helped build the weapons and materiel.

948
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 3: We should do that again. We have a bounty of.

949
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 10: Knowledge and skill in this country and it's a great

950
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 10: way for us to re establish the bridge between technology

951
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 10: and our national security. It's a great way for people

952
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 10: to serve. You know, I'm not sure I really had

953
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 10: anything truly unique to give the government when I was

954
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 10: twenty four years old, But having built a four hundred

955
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 10: billion dollar company in the hyper competitive world of the

956
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 10: US commercial sector, I think I have a lot to

957
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 10: give it forty four and this is a really cool

958
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 10: opportunity to do that.

959
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: I'm not going to miss the chant. Forty eight years ago,

960
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: I help Richard Nixon write The Real War. So if

961
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: the Reserve Executive Innovation Court needs a ghost writer, give

962
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: me a call. Although I got to say, Madeline Heart,

963
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: you gave her a cover credit. That is very cool.

964
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people do that. Why did you

965
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: do that? And this is just writers stuff. I just

966
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: love the fact you gave her cover credit.

967
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 10: Well, she's really my co author. I mean, you know, Matteline,

968
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 10: it's hard to find and someone who knows more about

969
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 10: defense innovation history than Madeline, And you know, we just

970
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 10: we kind of inspire each other to get deeper and

971
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 10: more nuanced uncover stories. And you know, we built the

972
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 10: first breakfast sub stack together. That's been writing on these

973
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 10: issues for a couple of years now. So you know,

974
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 10: she's on the cover because she deserves it.

975
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, it's a fabulous book,

976
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: and I want to recommend it to everyone who cares

977
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: about national security. Everyone in uniform, everyone in the business,

978
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: in the industry, everyone on hill.

979
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Speaker 4: To go get mobilized. Here are the two top lines.

980
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: My interview notes are kind of disaggregated between the part

981
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: that I read and the part that I listened to,

982
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: So just bear with me. Two top lines. Number one,

983
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: the stockpile isn't the deterrent. Mass production is deterrent. Mass

984
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: production must be put back at the center of our

985
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: economy and our military. Now those two sentences are a

986
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: little bit apart from each other, But explain why the

987
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: stockpile isn't the deterrent.

988
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 4: Mass production is the deterrent.

989
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it's one of the calculuses we really

990
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 10: got wrong at the end of the Cold War. We

991
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 10: kind of thought that the stockpile would scare our adversaries

992
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 10: from doing things. But if you empirically.

993
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 3: Looked at the world for the last twelve years.

994
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 10: In twenty fourteen, you had the annexation of Crimea, the

995
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 10: militarization of the Spratleys in fifteen, a run with breakout

996
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 10: capability to get the bomb in seventeen, you had a

997
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 10: program in Israel, you have the Hooty's holding trade hostage

998
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 10: in the Red Sea, and of course current operations. So

999
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 10: it's very clear, and particularly if you look at the

1000
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 10: Ukraine case, we went through ten years of production in

1001
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 10: ten weeks of fighting, and so actually the calculus was

1002
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 10: against us that the more that we did the fighting,

1003
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,479
Speaker 10: the less deterrent we actually had. And we had told

1004
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 10: ourselves this lie that we could just run all these

1005
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 10: lines at minimum rate production or at some point we'd

1006
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 10: have enough on the shelf. And I think we should

1007
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 10: have modeled all of these things as consumables. Essentially, we

1008
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 10: are going to make them to use them in training.

1009
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 10: As a consequence, we'll need to make more things that'll

1010
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 10: allow us to innovate on what we make next, to

1011
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 10: make better things, to make them cheaper and outproduce our

1012
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 10: adversaries not only in quantity but also in quality.

1013
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: All Right.

1014
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: The second takeaway that I want to make sure everyone hears,

1015
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: and they got to really read Mobilized to get the

1016
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: details on this. Again, this is a quote. Founders are

1017
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 1: outlier talent. They most closely resemble the best artists, creative

1018
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: difficult and capable of prodigious output. Your argument is that

1019
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: the Pentagon needs to go find founders and let them

1020
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: do their thing. But you point out, and I've got

1021
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: a son and a son in law who are now separated,

1022
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: ones on active duty, and a seal nephew who's on

1023
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: active duty.

1024
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 4: This is not how the military works, schum.

1025
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: You know that they got to check boxes and they

1026
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: got to move through pipelines. How in the world are

1027
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: you going to get the Pentagon to listen to you

1028
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: on this?

1029
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 10: Well, I think the president administration really understands this. I

1030
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 10: think of Trump as a founder figure, you know, that's

1031
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 10: part of what really makes it all work. And the

1032
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 10: personnel choices below that at the willingness to put unconventional

1033
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 10: people in the right roles.

1034
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: But the most important.

1035
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 10: Argument is that this is actually our history. This is

1036
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 10: not a new prescription or recommendation. You know when I

1037
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 10: say founder, First of all, as a country, we call

1038
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 10: them the founding fathers for a reason. We understand that

1039
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 10: there's something special about founders. Then if you just look

1040
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 10: at the economics, compare the US to Europe. Europe has

1041
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 10: created zero companies from scratch in the last fifty years

1042
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 10: worth more than one hundred million dollars. America has created

1043
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 10: all of her trillion dollar companies from scratch in the

1044
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 10: last fifty years. What's the difference. Their companies are hundreds

1045
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 10: of years old. We make our companies every day, we

1046
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 10: get new companies. We have founder figures. But if you

1047
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 10: look at the history of defense innovation, there too, we

1048
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 10: have founders, even if they're not literally building the company,

1049
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 10: they are founding something like Kelly Johnson, the founder of Skunkworks.

1050
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 10: He built forty one airframes in his career, including the

1051
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 10: U two which we still fly in the SR seventy one,

1052
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 10: which is still has the record the speed record for

1053
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 10: the fastest manned airframe. You think about Rick in the

1054
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 10: Nuclear Navy, He's the founder of the Nuclear Navy, Higgins

1055
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 10: and the Higgins boat. In this case, we are looking

1056
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 10: at industry there, but you know, it's a maniacal obsession.

1057
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 10: Like we ninety two percent of all boats in World

1058
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 10: War Two were Higgins boats, and the Navy didn't want.

1059
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 3: It, and the Navy tried to copy it.

1060
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 10: Then despite is despite the system, not because of the system,

1061
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 10: And that takes a certain sort of special character that

1062
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 10: I think is uniquely prevalent in America, and you're right.

1063
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: You can't have the whole military be that.

1064
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 10: And it's always going to be, you know, prickly and

1065
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 10: hard to accept, but you need enough of them. And

1066
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 10: that's really I think the diagnosis of Sorry, go ahead, Hu, I'm.

1067
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: So glad you brought up Rickover in the book.

1068
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: I know, and you quote hel mel Zuomwall as saying,

1069
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: the United States Navy has two enemies of Soviet Union

1070
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: and Rickover. But we would be so screwed if it

1071
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: wasn't for him and Rickover em betting the nuclear Navy.

1072
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: We would be absolutely screwed if we did not have

1073
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: the advantage that the nuclear Navy brought us. And that's

1074
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: all because of Rickover. And he was a pain in

1075
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: the neck for every president and everything. Now, but boy,

1076
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: do we need people like him. And we're going to

1077
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: come to the colonel a little bit. I want to

1078
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: give you a problem, chum, to think in the back

1079
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: of your head. I'm going to bring it back to

1080
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: you as a hypo in our last segment. It's not

1081
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: out of immobilized, it's out of my head. Soon for a

1082
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: moment based on the Iran War, that someone comes in

1083
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: and says to you, we need a really long range

1084
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: stealth drone that can launch from anywhere in the United

1085
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: States north, south, east, West, or Alaska. Has to carry

1086
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: a big payload, and it must be mass produced in

1087
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: America at many sites. I'd like you to come back

1088
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: and tell me how we would do that and how

1089
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: long it would.

1090
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 4: Take us to do that. But let's start with the

1091
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: Palmer Lucky.

1092
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: I walk by Palmer maybe three times a year when

1093
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm in Orange County, California. I always think he ought

1094
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Speaker 1: to be thrown out of the place what we are

1095
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: because he looks so goofy. But I don't know him.

1096
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: I had no idea what he was doing with Anderroll

1097
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: in Columbus.

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00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: Tell that story.

1099
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, we're bringing production back and say we

1100
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 10: I mean America. But in this case Andrel and Palmer

1101
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 10: Lucky and the and the founders VANDREL have built a

1102
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 10: new facility called Arsenal one five thousand, five million square

1103
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 10: feet in Columbus, Ohio to start mass producing things. And

1104
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 10: it's a flexible manufacturing configuration, so you can change up

1105
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 10: what you're mixing. You have flexible lines. Part of the

1106
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 10: magic of the facility is that it's software enabled, so

1107
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 10: you can actually change your work constructions and build better

1108
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 10: versions of the equipment as the aligned as the assembly

1109
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 10: line goes on, which is you know, inspired by by

1110
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 10: modern marbles like Tesla. It's how Tesla produces things. So

1111
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 10: bringing the very best of American modern manufacturing for scale

1112
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 10: right here in the heartland and doing it for our

1113
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 10: national defense.

1114
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: Now, did the Pentagon say to him go off and

1115
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: do that or is he doing that on his own

1116
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: and hoping that they'll buy his fighter?

1117
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: The theory very much the latter.

1118
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 10: I mean that is Andrel's strategy, which is they are

1119
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 10: a defense products company, which is to say, they are

1120
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 10: taking their capital, not tax payer financed R and D.

1121
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 10: They're taking private capital, building things on their own spec

1122
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 10: their own belief of what's valuable, and then trying to

1123
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 10: sell them and then start iterating and iterate with the customer.

1124
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 10: From there, of course you're gonna keep evolving them. And

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00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 10: that's a model that we used to do during World

1126
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 10: War Two. The Higgins boat was exactly that. Andrew Higgins

1127
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 10: built that boat on his own costs, his own expense.

1128
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 10: It was his own vision, uh, and then he offered

1129
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 10: it to the Navy instead of the other way around,

1130
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 10: which is really like, hey, the Navy sits around, or

1131
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 10: any service sits around for a couple of years, writes

1132
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 10: the perfect set of requirements that are completely infeasible, have

1133
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 10: no trade space, and then you go to industry and

1134
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 10: you say, please build this thing, and of course there's

1135
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 10: no given there's no trade space. You kind of come

1136
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 10: up with the kitchen sync that doesn't float. The modifications

1137
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 10: to the frigate show exactly that you know, somehow a

1138
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 10: commercial product from the.

1139
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: Attoun killing me. The frigate's killing me. Don't go anywhere.

1140
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: Sean Sankar is coming back. His book is Mobilized. I

1141
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: put it on my x feed, go immediately to am

1142
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: is on and order a bunch of them. Or you

1143
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: can listen to it on books on tape over at Audible,

1144
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: as I've been doing.

1145
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: For the last couple of days. It's very easy. Remember Mobilized,

1146
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 4: Stay tuned. Welcome back in America.

1147
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt talking with Sham Sangkar about his brand

1148
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: new book Mobilize, which you wrote with Madeline Art. Mobilize

1149
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: is a three day read, or it's a day read

1150
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: in a day of listening, which is how I did it.

1151
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: And I got to say it left me more hopeful

1152
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: about World War three not happening than I've been in

1153
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: a long time.

1154
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 4: And let's go to that.

1155
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: You say, Sham, that your purpose is to prevent World

1156
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: War three and to win the battle for the twenty

1157
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: first century, and you're optimistic.

1158
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 4: And again this is a quote.

1159
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: The pieces for defense reformation are in place, The capitol

1160
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: class has shown up, the founders are busy building, and

1161
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: the Department of War is ready to innovate. Take your

1162
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: time and explain how in twenty twenty seven China does

1163
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: bade Taiwan, and then they don't do it in twenty

1164
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight, and then they don't do it in twenty

1165
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: twenty nine, and.

1166
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 4: Then they explain how you rolled out. You persuaded me.

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00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 3: We got to do.

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00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 10: That, Yeah, exactly. So you know, of course, the entire

1169
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 10: will start at the beginning. The entire point of the

1170
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 10: Department of War is to deter conflict. You know, to

1171
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 10: be so strong that piece is the only thing that

1172
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 10: makes sense, because picking a fight with us means you're

1173
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 10: going to lose. Now, in order to provide for that

1174
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 10: sort of defense, we need to change the adversary's calculus

1175
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 10: at the margin. You know, the question is not to

1176
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 10: we don't have to make that case for all eternity.

1177
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 10: We have to make that case this year, the next year.

1178
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 10: In the present moment, we face an adversary that has

1179
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 10: systematically invested in countering American military strength since Goal War One,

1180
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 10: since nineteen ninety one roughly, and so they've had a

1181
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 10: long time to go after that. And if you think

1182
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 10: about the context that we're in, you compare it to

1183
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 10: World War Two. You know, one of the things that

1184
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 10: I'm really trying to make the argument in the book

1185
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 10: is that we need to mobilize just like we mobilized

1186
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 10: in World War Two. What happened was not that we

1187
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 10: flipped a light switch and magically all the automotive factories

1188
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 10: turned into military facilities or you know, military production facilities.

1189
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 10: Really what happened is in thirty eight FDR pre mobilized

1190
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 10: by taking the number two from GM, the person Bill Knutsen,

1191
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 10: who had perfected mass production, and putting him in charge

1192
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 10: of war production, and we used len lease as an

1193
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 10: opportunity to ramp production. It took us eighteen months to

1194
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 10: build and retool factories our moment to do that would

1195
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 10: have been Ukraine. That would have been the ideal time

1196
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 10: would have been. We could have taken that lesson I

1197
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 10: just talked about where we realized we're expending much faster

1198
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 10: than we're producing, and we could have fired up, refired

1199
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 10: up the arsenal of freedom. The next best moment to

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00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 10: do it is now, because if we look at a fight,

1201
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 10: a high end fight with China, we have maybe eight

1202
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 10: days of weapons on hand. That's not a deterrent. We

1203
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 10: need to have eight hundred days of weapons on hand,

1204
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 10: and we need to be able to produce these things

1205
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 10: at a scale that allows us to have economies to

1206
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 10: scale and the cost function. We see that with the

1207
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 10: current interceptors that we're using, and to innovate on the

1208
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 10: platforms themselves, which is the other lesson of Ukraine, which

1209
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 10: is that you know, the adversary gets a vote and

1210
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 10: they keep changing their approaches to counter the quality and

1211
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 10: capability of your weapons, which means you need to be

1212
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 10: able to keep changing your weapons so that they're still effective.

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00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: You know you have in Lea in the beginning of

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00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: the book, Ukraine is producing one hundred thousand drones a month.

1215
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: The United States five thousand a month. That is so stunning.

1216
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: How can we not be doing that? Is there some

1217
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: technological difficulty like death isn't at our doorstep?

1218
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 4: That doesn't make us do this?

1219
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 10: All of this technology in when we invented, whether it's

1220
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 10: the semiconductor, even the drone. The drone is an American birthright.

1221
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 10: The Predator was the first operational drone of any significance.

1222
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 10: We then got in our own way. We said, you

1223
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 10: know what a drone is a flying missile, so we

1224
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 10: should itar control it. And then the FAA said no

1225
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 10: beyond line of sight operations, which killed the commercial market.

1226
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 10: I will posit to you, and it's one of the

1227
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 10: chapters in the book on how national security and economic

1228
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 10: prosperity are two sides of the same coin. I'll posit

1229
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 10: you a world where if we didn't have these regulations,

1230
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 10: maybe General Atomics would have a consumer subsidiary that we

1231
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 10: would call DJI, that the entire consumer drone industry would

1232
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 10: exist here in the US, and we wouldn't have seded

1233
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 10: that to China. Having done that, we need to invest

1234
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 10: in the scale by buying these things and employing them,

1235
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 10: which is what we've learned from Ukraine. That number one

1236
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 10: hundred thousand is actually data. At this point, they're building

1237
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 10: about four to five million drones a year, so you

1238
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 10: can kind of four exit number roughly.

1239
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 4: Watching the ir War, I think, would you have changed

1240
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: in this apartment?

1241
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 10: There has their head on straight around this. They are

1242
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 10: going to They have a great plan to scale up

1243
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 10: the production and consumption of drones.

1244
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: Tie that into forced generation.

1245
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 10: And how we're going to consume these drones and training

1246
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 10: exercises which will create a consistent demands. That's going to

1247
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 10: help us materialize the supply base that we need to

1248
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 10: produce exactly that quantity or more in the US.

1249
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: Have you spending time at Admiral Mark Montgomery. He's a

1250
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: guest on the show often because he thinks the way

1251
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: to deter China is to make sure that they realize

1252
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: the Taiwan Strait's going to have a million drones in it,

1253
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: and World War three on the other side of Taiwan

1254
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: out east of Taiwan, they don't want to mess with

1255
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: our Virginia class submarines and our surface ships.

1256
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 4: Have you had a chance to sit down with him

1257
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 4: and talk about this stuff.

1258
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 10: I have not sat down with him, but I think

1259
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 10: there'd be a lot of agreement in the broad strokes

1260
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 10: of aproproach. I mean I do take a lot, you know,

1261
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 10: I always heed John Boyd's advice that you need the

1262
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 10: high low mix, and you know, the sort of flip

1263
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 10: and answer that all you need are drones. I don't

1264
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 10: think is right, but you absolutely do need drones.

1265
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now, I like the fact you bring in

1266
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: John Boyd and the udul loup. Let me also give

1267
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: you a hat tip for taking the time to confirm

1268
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: for the smart reader of Mobilized Alger Hiss was indeed

1269
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: a Soviet spy. You would know this, shim, but I've

1270
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: been asking first time guests forever. Was algabizo Soviet spy?

1271
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: Has a test about whether or not they know anything

1272
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: about history. Most people don't even know who he is.

1273
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: But I'm glad he's in here. I didn't know he

1274
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: worked for that committee. Let me go now to the Colonel.

1275
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: Because Colonel Drew Cooker. Am I saying his name right?

1276
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 3: Coocker kukor yeah, cuckor he's.

1277
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 4: An amazing guy.

1278
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: Tell people about him and Maven because he should get

1279
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: an American Medal of Freedom.

1280
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 10: I call these founder figures heretics and heroes, because usually

1281
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 10: they have some sort of heresy that you know, the

1282
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 10: bureaucracy doesn't like and tries to kill them over, whether

1283
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 10: it's Rickover or even Billy Mitchell, the founder of the

1284
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 10: Air Force. And then later we realized that they really

1285
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 10: were national treasures, they were heroes. And Colonel Drew Kukor

1286
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 10: is exactly that we have a marine colonel. You know,

1287
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 10: he grew up a single mother, grew up pretty poor

1288
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 10: in southern California, and a Mormon household.

1289
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: His only path to college was Rotzi.

1290
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 10: After college, he joined as a man intel officer, served

1291
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 10: for a long time in a lot of places, but

1292
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 10: he had a seminal experience trying to evacuate the Izadi

1293
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 10: off of Mount Sinjar as Isis was closing in on them,

1294
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 10: and you know, there was a human error made along

1295
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 10: the way where a young marine thought they saw an

1296
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 10: RPG and waved off the helicopters from landing and ex

1297
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 10: filling these people, and as a consequence, about a thousand

1298
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 10: people were enslaved, raped and tortured over the ensuing number

1299
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 10: of years here.

1300
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 3: And he always felt there ought to have been a.

1301
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 10: Way for technology to provide overwatch and support and make

1302
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,479
Speaker 10: this possible. Some number of years later, he was given

1303
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 10: the opportunity to go deep in the bowels of the

1304
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 10: basement of the Pentagon and start Project Mademan and Project

1305
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 10: Maven was the third offset, a kind of crash crash

1306
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 10: effort to bring AI to the Department of Defense, and

1307
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 10: he succeeded wildly, and because of his success, the bureaucracy.

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Speaker 3: Came after him.

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Speaker 10: The services wanted you know, they had their own AI projects.

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Speaker 10: They didn't like that this was being done at.

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Speaker 3: The OSW level.

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Speaker 10: His success threatened other folks' equities along the way, But

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Speaker 10: he was so good at controlling.

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Speaker 3: How do I deal with acquisition? How do I deal

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Speaker 3: with technology?

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Speaker 10: He went to Silken Valley, he proselytized, he got a

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Speaker 10: lot of American technologists involved in the fight here, and

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Speaker 10: how do I deal with all of the bureaucracy that's

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Speaker 10: coming after him? This poor man that they waged lawfare

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Speaker 10: against him. IG investigation after ig investigation. I mean, maybe

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Speaker 10: some of the most salacious details is he was accused

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Speaker 10: of housing illegal immigrants in his basement and having bags

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Speaker 10: of money that were given to him by contractors, and

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Speaker 10: driving really fancy cars.

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Speaker 1: These chargers doesn't break, So seriously, we're going to continue

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Speaker 1: this after the break kukh Or. Colonel kuk Or deserved

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Speaker 1: complete egeneration on the radio if anyone didn't know, he's

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Speaker 1: already exonerated.

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Speaker 4: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back. The book is Mobilized. Mobilize yourself

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01:04:55,120 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: and go get mobilized. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Seam has done a pretty good job of explaining Colonel

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01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: Kukor's personality to you. You're going to have to read

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Speaker 1: Mobilize to figure out how Maven should not have happened.

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Speaker 1: Not in the military bureaucracy we have. But I came away.

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Speaker 1: It eventually got to be a program of record over

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Speaker 1: at NGA, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. But seem tell

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Speaker 1: me if you agree with me, I think the ig

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Speaker 1: O to be abolished at the Pentagon. I'd rather have fraud,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of fraud, than a lot of abuse

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Speaker 1: of the ig process. And it seems to me it

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Speaker 1: is abused at the Pentagon more than it's used.

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Speaker 4: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 10: You know it's a contrarian position, but I think you're

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01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 10: more right than most people want to admit, you know,

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01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 10: we every decision has an opportunity cost, and the opportunity

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 10: costs of this sort of lawfair internally is you slow

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 10: everything down, and anyone who takes even an iota of

1349
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 10: risk in the national interest ends up sacrificed their career.

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Speaker 10: So what you get is a system that at best

1351
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 10: is locked into mediocrity and doesn't reward anyone who tries

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 10: to stick their neck out to do the right thing

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Speaker 10: for their fellow uniform service members.

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Speaker 4: And you get fragging.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you stories of four star superb general

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Speaker 1: officers who got fragged by an IG complaint to which

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Speaker 1: there was nothing, but they get knocked off their path,

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Speaker 1: and because of the pyramid, they never get back on

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Speaker 1: their path.

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Speaker 4: Not like industry.

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Speaker 1: Somebody files a bogus charge against you at Pallenteer, you'll

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Speaker 1: fight it through and you'll still be running the CTO

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Speaker 1: at Pallenteer. It's not how the military works. You're up

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Speaker 1: or you're out. And so it made me angry. I

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Speaker 1: want to go over to Andy Grove. I had no

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Speaker 1: idea of his backstory, thank you for including it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about David Packard. I knew about McNamara.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows about McNamara. I knew about Forrestall because I

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Speaker 1: read World War Two, but I didn't know about David

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Speaker 1: Packard at DEPSEK, and I didn't know about Andy Grove.

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Speaker 1: Did you intend when you started this to kind of

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Speaker 1: give people a history of the military industrial complex and

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Speaker 1: how it began to break?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 10: I wanted to remind certainly my fellow technologists that the

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Speaker 10: history of technology in this country starts with the military.

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Speaker 10: The largest employer in the fifties in Silicon Valley was

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Speaker 10: Lockheed Martin. You know, we built the Krona satellites there,

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Speaker 10: and that people like David Packard, who is a co

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Speaker 10: founder of Hewlett Packard, served as depth SEC def and

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Speaker 10: that there's actually a long history of connection. Of course,

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Speaker 10: he was followed later on by Bill Perry, which a

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Speaker 10: lot of people don't know. He founded the first digital

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Speaker 10: sigan company called Electronic Systems Laboratory in Silicon Valley before

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Speaker 10: he ever came to government.

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Speaker 4: I did not know that there's an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: All I know about him is the Last Supper, And

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Speaker 1: you kind of redeemed his reputation for me, because you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're not really a geek, a military geek. You

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: don't understand that there's a lot of stuff that came

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Speaker 1: before the Last Supper with William Perry. But you lay

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Speaker 1: it out so you're not on a vendetta with anybody.

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Speaker 1: But you do give us the whole history of where

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon began to break in sixty one up to now.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it is healing itself right now?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 10: I've never been more optimistic. I mean, more has changed

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Speaker 10: in the Pentagon the last year than the prior nineteen

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Speaker 10: years that I've been doing this.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, has the Iran War shown you anything that we

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Speaker 1: were not ready for? Are you impressed by anything that

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Speaker 1: you hadn't seen before?

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Speaker 10: Well, it's hard not to be impressed by the performance

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01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 10: of our uniform service members here. You know, they really

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01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 10: are better than we deserve. I think it only underscores

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Speaker 10: a lot of the points both that I've made in

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Speaker 10: the book and that I think the Pentagon is already

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Speaker 10: aware of of the need to move very quickly on mobilizing,

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Speaker 10: in particular to recognize that our industrial capacity is going

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Speaker 10: to be determinative of whether the twenty first century is

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Speaker 10: another American century.

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Speaker 4: This is also Jeremiah against overregulation.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that Peter Tiel had said that

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01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: the bite and the atom were there was a dumble standards.

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01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: Bytes were unregulated and atoms were regulated. But he's right.

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Speaker 1: I was the land News lawyer before I got into

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Speaker 1: the broadcast BIS for thirty years. And you know, sean

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01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: regulation kills building, so it must kill defense building. And

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Speaker 1: we've got to stop that if we're going to catch up.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you it's compounded.

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Speaker 10: It's not just the commercial regulations that any normal company

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Speaker 10: would deal with. You have the unique regulations the MONOPSI

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Speaker 10: comes up with, whether it's it's cost plus contracting, and

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Speaker 10: how they're going to audit you, all the compliance standards

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Speaker 10: that are kind of byzantine and give you no leverage.

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Speaker 10: We basically asked our defense industrial companies to become compliance

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Speaker 10: companies that happened to make weapons occasionally.

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Speaker 1: And you also make an argument that the requirement sheet

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Speaker 1: should come at the end and be reverse engineered from

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Speaker 1: the product that made so much sense to me.

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Speaker 4: Is it being at all.

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Speaker 1: Received by the acquisition managers whose careers are built on

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Speaker 1: requirements over at the pentagon.

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Speaker 3: Of the cases?

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Speaker 10: So yes, in broad strokes, which is to say that

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Speaker 10: this team at the Pentagon has implemented a change in

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Speaker 10: how we think about acquisition. We're moving to portfolios as

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Speaker 10: opposed to programs, and in that portfolio you have a

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Speaker 10: lot of autonomy and discretion of how you're going to

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 10: accomplish the end goal that you signed up for, versus

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 10: being constrained in the specific systems you happen to be,

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 10: happened to have picked, or originally were funded. So that's

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 10: that's a great decision. It's going to increase discretion.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back for one more segment with Sean Sankar.

1446
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: His book is Mobilized. Mobilize yourself and go get mobilized

1447
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: and you will thank.

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 4: Him for it. Can also order it from audible if

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 4: you want to listen to it. Very well read. Stay

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01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 4: tuned in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 4: Hugh Hewett.

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01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 1: I've fairly scratched the surface of Mobilize. I've got five

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01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: pages of notes and I'm not even close to being

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Speaker 1: done with it, So get mobilized for yourself. Sean, thanks

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01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: for finishing with wild Bill Donovan. I was reminded of

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: Winston Churchill and Professor Linderman when you did that. But

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Speaker 1: I want to finish with Kevin Zenger because I've never

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: heard of him before. Cleveland from warn Ohile, he went

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: to Yale, did law finance, failed a couple of time,

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Speaker 1: and now he's got Divergent Technologies in El Segundo. First

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Speaker 1: of all, why is he out of his mind in

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Speaker 1: building anything in California? And then secondly, tell people about Divergent.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Diversion is an entirely new additive manufacturer. So they

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 10: actually have come up with these autonomous pods that take

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,879
Speaker 10: the design of what you're trying to do, compute entirely

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01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 10: new geometries. It's quite elegant and beautiful, almost almost like

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 10: alien when you look at it, which allows you to

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Speaker 10: save a lot of weight and then prints these things.

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Speaker 10: So now you can build the bodies of cruise missiles

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Speaker 10: at a pace and scale with many fewer parts than

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Speaker 10: you could anywhere.

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Speaker 3: And you can take these systems.

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Speaker 10: And distribute them, so you now have a distributed production

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Speaker 10: capability that's much more resilient to attack. Now he started

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Speaker 10: doing this for high end exquisite automotive, where the original

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 10: market was, but in the present moment, in the context

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Speaker 10: of mobilizing. This is the way to radically accelerate technologies

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Speaker 10: like this, to radically accelerate how we produce it munitions,

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Speaker 10: and to radically reduce the cost and time of producing them.

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Speaker 4: So what he's making is everything. Did I come away?

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Speaker 1: I came away with the impression that he can pretty

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Speaker 1: much make anything with his DAPs model.

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Speaker 4: Just tell him what to build. Am I right about that?

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, parts for cars, airframes, you know, drone bodies, and

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 10: they're much simpler. You know that they're made to assemble.

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Speaker 10: They're designed for manufacturer ability. You can plug in component

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01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 10: to put in the explosive, put in the engine, and

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Speaker 10: you're ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Why is he in cal I'm very serious about this.

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Speaker 1: I teach in California every other year for a semester,

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Speaker 1: but I live in Virginia. I got driven out of

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Speaker 1: California after twenty five years because it was so crazy.

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01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 4: Why did he start it in California?

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Speaker 3: We'd have to ask him.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, all right, Next question, China has

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Speaker 1: zero globally competitive enter prize companies.

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Speaker 4: Should we take great comfort in that.

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Speaker 3: Enterprise software companies?

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Speaker 10: And I think we should because you know, in the

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Speaker 10: present moment, for some people, it's fashionable to be kind

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 10: of down on America, to think, you know, our best

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01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 10: years are behind us, or that everyone else is out

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,879
Speaker 10: competing us in I think nothing could.

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Speaker 3: Be further from the truth.

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Speaker 10: In particular, when you think about software, it's easy to

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Speaker 10: think about software as a technical skill, but I don't

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01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 10: think that's what makes software work.

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Speaker 3: It's a cultural skill because if it was a.

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Speaker 10: Technical skill China, India, they would have enterprise software companies

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Speaker 10: that are successful in the world stage.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it strange that they don't?

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01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 10: And my argument to you would be this cultural skill

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01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 10: is uniquely American. It actually doesn't come from Silicon Valley.

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Speaker 3: It comes from Iowa.

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Speaker 10: It comes from Bob Neys, a great Iowan who is

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Speaker 10: the co inventor of the transistor. He was a co

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Speaker 10: founder of Intel. And it comes from this culture rooted

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Speaker 10: in a Midwestern sensibility, a willingness to play positive some games,

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Speaker 10: an ability to collaborate over long periods of time on

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Speaker 10: really hard work. He brought that to Silicon Valley. He

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Speaker 10: invented the term open door policy. So many things we

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Speaker 10: take for granted today culturally are actually deeply rooted in

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Speaker 10: the American spirit from the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: That is a very inspiring story. Now I want to

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Speaker 1: finish with the hypo that I gave you. We need

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Speaker 1: a long range stealth drone that can carry a big payload.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be able to launch from Florida and

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Speaker 1: Texas and California and Alaska and New York.

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Speaker 4: We got to be able to move it around. It's

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Speaker 4: got to be mass produced in America from many sites.

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Speaker 4: Can we do that? And how long would it take

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Speaker 4: us to do it?

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Speaker 3: Well? I'm confident we could do it.

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Speaker 10: I don't have the answer on Napkin math in the

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Speaker 10: context of this interview yet, but what I would tell

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Speaker 10: you is the way I would bet on doing it

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Speaker 10: is how we did it in the past, which is

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Speaker 10: to have five or six competing efforts to take the

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Speaker 10: very best mavericks and innovators from both American industry and

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Speaker 10: inside the government, the heretics who are latent waiting for

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Speaker 10: an opportunity to do something great, and.

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Speaker 3: Let them compete on different ideas.

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Speaker 10: This is how we built the submarine launch ballistic missile

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Speaker 10: think of it as Polaris today. But Admiral Raybourne had

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Speaker 10: four competing efforts going concurrently, and he protected those efforts

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Speaker 10: that the engineers could do the messy, chaotic work that

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Speaker 10: is required for innovation to deliver for the nation.

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Speaker 4: Now, last question, it's kind of odd.

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Speaker 1: This week Sixty Minutes ran its story on the fact

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Speaker 1: that American shipbuilding is a disaster, and we have gone

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01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: over to han Laan, South Korea and ask them to

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Speaker 1: buy the Philly shipyard and they're going to teach us

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Speaker 1: how to make ships again. Then your book arrives mobilized

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Speaker 1: last week.

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Speaker 4: Do you think.

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Speaker 1: Everyone has kind of recognized the problem and is singing

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Speaker 1: from the same hymnal now on fixing it?

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Speaker 10: We're much We're certainly much closer to it, and I

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Speaker 10: love to see that story. Sixty Minutes. They were also

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01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 10: covering empty material and rare earth. So we seem to

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Speaker 10: all be converging on the same set of fundamental truths

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Speaker 10: and the realization that it's going to take motivated founder

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Speaker 10: like figures to solve these problems.

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Speaker 1: All right, And this is a quiz, it's not really

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Speaker 1: a fair question. You mentioned Leonidas in the book. You

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Speaker 1: don't tell me what Leonidas is. What is Leonidas?

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Speaker 4: A cool name?

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Speaker 10: Best name in the book is it's a it's a

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Speaker 10: system made by Epirus that is a counter drone system

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Speaker 10: that is a non kinetic effect, so it basically pushes

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Speaker 10: out an enormous amount of microwave energy that is like

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Speaker 10: an electronic attack on the circuits of these drones that

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Speaker 10: are coming at you. So it doesn't actually matter if

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Speaker 10: it's one drone or one thousand drones. It'll make them

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Speaker 10: just fall out.

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Speaker 3: Of the sky.

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Speaker 4: Sean, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: How long did it take you to write Mobilize, because

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Speaker 1: it's I know you had the deck and I talked

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Speaker 1: to with you about the deck.

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Speaker 4: How long did it take to.

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01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 3: Do this better part of a year.

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, it's done very well in the best sellers list.

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Speaker 1: That's going to continue to rise. Mobilize How to wet

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Speaker 1: Reboot the American Industrial Base and Stop World War Three

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Speaker 1: by Sean Sankar and Madeen Hart Scham. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me on the hu Huit Show.