1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: Hey Billy, thanks for joining me. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Journalist Billy Halliwell hosts of a new CBN documentary film 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: investigating the supernatural, Angels and Demons. Billy, this is the 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: second film in a series you've got about the supernatural. 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: This film, of course follows your earlier project on miracles. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: Why did you want to follow your earlier film by 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: doing one own Angels and Demons. 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, when we initially started this project, Jared Anderson, 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: the director, the writer, brilliant, really smart guy. You know, 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: we were kind of looking through, what are the things 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: that our most debated, most discussed, most interesting to not 14 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: just believers, but but unbelievers as well, and so obviously miracles, 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: you know, stretch across that. And our initial plan was, 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: let's do a TV show. So we'll do three episodes 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: of a series and we'll do thirty minute episodes. We'll 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: do Miracles, we'll do Heaven and Hell, and we'll do 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: Angels and Demons, and with miracles. As soon as we 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: started getting into the filming, it was evident we needed 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: to do a film. There were too many stories to tell, 22 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: there was too much material. And when it comes to 23 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, angels and demons, it's such an important subject 24 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: matter throughout scripture. I mean it's mentioned, both are mentioned 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: so many times, and yet I think there's a lot 26 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: of confusion, a lot of misunderstanding, particularly even over the 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: discussion of whether or not angels and demons still impact 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: our world today. And so we wanted to get into 29 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: that and look at some of the stories that are 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: out there to see what's credible and which examples out 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: there have some backing to them. 32 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: Was there a particular story or interview that kind of 33 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: challenged what you believe, maybe even strengthen what you believe. 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there are pretty much all of them. Digus. 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, going into these interviews, 36 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: I am always skeptical. You know, I'm a Christian. I 37 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: believe the Bible. I believe all these things are real 38 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: and true. But yet when people tell me they've had 39 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: an experience with a demon or an angel, my first 40 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: thought is, prove it to me. Right, you're saying that 41 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: you had this experience, I need you to prove it 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: to me, show me the details, the information that would 43 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 1: back it. And so, going into one of the stories 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: in particular, Bruce VENATDA. That was one that really challenged 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: me because this is a guy who was crushed under 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: a semi automatic truck, you know, semi truck and you know, 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: just completely should be dead, should not be here, claims 48 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: to have had not only a near death experience, but 49 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: that he saw angels and you know, he had all 50 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: these wild experiences, and I thought, is this true? Is 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: this really real? And so you know, going into it, 52 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: I was a little skeptical, and then after seeing the 53 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: evidence and hearing what he went through, I walked away saying, well, 54 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: there's there's another example that seems to challenge that skepticism 55 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: because it was it's just a pretty incredible story. 56 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: The seeing tangible evidence of the supernatural change. 57 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: How you view God. 58 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: I mean, does does it impact you and strengthen your faith? 59 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: You know it does absolutely because you know, for me, look, 60 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, faith is 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: something that we know to be true in our hearts right, 62 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: our experience, our understanding, and there's some debate around hearing 63 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: God's and what that means and what that looks like 64 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: for people. But when you start to see evidence of 65 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: the supernatural, and this is somebody that's really challenged me 66 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: because I would have said I believed in all these 67 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: things years ago, but I would not have said to 68 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: you while I've experienced them or i've seen them, because 69 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: I hadn't. And you know, we don't always get to 70 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: see or experience the supernatural or find the evidence. But 71 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: when you do have cases like this where you're left 72 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: with there's no other explanation than what this person is 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: saying happened something clearly happened here, it becomes an apologetics tool. 74 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: And that's something I never thought of until recently. Actually, 75 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: even in the midst of these projects, there was a 76 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: prominent politician's son and I'm not going to say who 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: it was, and you will know who I'm talking about 78 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: because this is a big story. And then everybody was 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: upset because the name was given out and people didn't 80 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: want it to be. But this politician son was having 81 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: a conversation with an apologist on the phone, and this 82 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: is a young guy who's nineteen or twenty years old, 83 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: and the apologist was throwing everything at this kid, Hey, 84 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, here's why you should believe, and it really 85 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: wasn't resonating. It wasn't until he mentioned that there are 86 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: Muslims in the Middle East who are having dreams of 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Jesus and after those dreams, they're coming to faith. It 88 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: wasn't until that that this young person said, well, wait 89 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: a minute, what That's what piqued his interest. And I 90 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: think we're in a unique era right now where these 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: topics miracles, angels and demons, heaven and hell, all of 92 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: these things, they're actually becoming for a generation that's been 93 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: sort of pushed secularism on for so long, they're becoming compelling, 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: evidentiary tools to help bring them to faith. So the 95 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: short answer is, yes, I actually do think it can 96 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: expand our faith and at least corroborate it and give 97 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: us some peace in it. 98 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 99 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: I've seen you say in other interviews that this documentary 100 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: moves beyond sensationalism. 101 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: Why was that. 102 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: Important to you to move beyond you know, what is 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: often making headlines. 104 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, for a lot of reasons. I think oftentimes 105 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: the reason that these topics get sort of overlooked, especially 106 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: the demonic topic, is because Hollywood turns out these movies 107 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: every October. They turn them out. People go and they 108 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: see them, and they're entertaining and they enjoy watching them. 109 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: They're not always they're usually not theologically correct. Sometimes though, 110 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: there are some movies out there that are theologically correct. 111 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: But the point is people have an innate interest in 112 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: this topic, and yet the way we talk about it, 113 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, peas spewing out of the pea, green vomit 114 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: speeding out of the mouth, the head spinning like all 115 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: this chaos in these movies. You know, there are chaotic 116 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: spiritual experiences. We see them in scripture, right, We see 117 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: what possession can look like in scripture, and it is 118 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: it can be terrifying. But the point is we wanted 119 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: to rely on what experts, you know, scientists, people who 120 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: have looked at these things, what they have to say 121 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 1: about it. And when you see ivy league educated people 122 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: like doctor Richard Gallagher casting doubt on his former skepticism 123 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: once he's confronted with evidence, it does make you say, well, 124 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: wait a minute, if these people believe it, maybe there's 125 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: something there to this, Maybe there's a truth there. And 126 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: so that became very important for us to just look 127 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: at facts and not just tell, you know, outlandish stories. 128 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: Some of the stories in the film, they are outlet 129 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: they seem outlandish on paper, but we really went to 130 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: great lengths to make sure that they were vetted, that 131 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: these were stories that we could trust, because we don't 132 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: want to be putting information out that that's untrue or 133 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, playing on people's emotions. We wanted to bring 134 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: people into the story and get them, whether they're skeptics 135 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: or Christians, to think a little bit deeper about these subjects. 136 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: Talk about demons. Were there any moments in your interviews 137 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: that made you kind of pause and maybe the hair 138 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: on your arm rise. I mean, were there any eerie 139 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: moments that you know would have made a normal person scared? 140 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think hearing people talk about their experience with 141 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: the demonic doctor Richard Gallagher in particular, he shared a 142 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: story about this woman Julia, a number of stories about Julia. 143 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: She was really and this is this is rarer than 144 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: you would expect. It does happen, but she was a 145 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: Satan worshiper. She very literally worshiped Satan, and as a 146 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: result of that, dealt with possession, very real possession. He 147 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: called it a once in a lifetime, once in a 148 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: century story. And so he was brought this woman by 149 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. They brought her to him because she 150 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: did want relief, even though she was engaging in this 151 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: cult behavior, she wanted relief. And some of the stories 152 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: that he shared were alarming. I mean they were alarming 153 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: to the point of, here's this man who teaches at 154 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Columbia University, who is Ivy League educated, who was a 155 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: skeptic no longer is because of Julia in her story, 156 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: hearing him talk about her ability to astro project, her 157 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: ability to tell you what somebody was doing miles and 158 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: miles away when she was not with them, and his 159 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: obviously inquisitive is to call that person and say, where 160 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: are you, what are you doing right now? What are 161 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: you wearing? And for everything she had been telling him, 162 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: sitting on his couch in his office, matching what that 163 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: person was doing and wearing those sorts of stories. They're eerie, 164 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: But you have to come back to the reminder of Okay, 165 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: as Christian, you have authority over this. You do not 166 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: need to be afraid of it. I think there's a 167 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: couple of things the enemy does that, and it's so tricky. 168 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: The first is obviously to convince people that he's not there, right, 169 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, we don't need to talk about it. It's outlandish, 170 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: it's funny. And you see Hollywood, even with some of 171 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: the imagery that they've put out in recent years, almost 172 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 1: mocking the existence of Satan, right or you know, putting 173 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: the Satanic imagery out is though, oh, this is just 174 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: a fun, silly thing. But I think the other thing 175 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: that he does is he sort of hides out in 176 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: plain sight. And so we saw that in these stories, 177 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: and it is eerie, but he also wants us to 178 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: be afraid of it and petrified. We should understand the 179 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: power of it, but we have authority over it. We 180 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: don't need to be fearful of it. 181 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 2: As we close here, let's talk about to you as 182 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 2: a personal journalist, how did you get into Christian journalism 183 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: in the first place, and why have you stayed in 184 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: this realm. 185 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: It's such a strange story. You know, I don't get 186 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: to talk about it very often, but you know, I'm 187 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: forty two now, and when I was fifteen I started 188 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: in media. So when I was fifteen, after the Columbine 189 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: shooting of that year in nineteen ninety nine, I felt 190 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: really moved as a teenager to try to do something 191 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: to stop another school shooting. Unfortunately, I was unsuccessful and 192 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: greeting something that would do that, unfortunately. But I started 193 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: a website back then called teenweb Online, and it was 194 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: really intended to be a place where I would interview 195 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: people and try to just inspire my peers. And that 196 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: really just developed. That went into a column, went into 197 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: I went to school for journalism. It just kind of snowballed. 198 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: I was speaking and traveling by the time I was 199 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: nineteen probably and writing, and that I wasn't doing Christian 200 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: media at that point. I was a Christian. I then 201 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: started doing some Fox News hits and going into politics, 202 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: and I realized very quickly that God wanted to turn 203 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: that and tweak that and really move me into faith 204 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: content reporting. And so by my mid twenties that's what 205 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: he had done. I was working at The Blaze as 206 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: a faith editor there and that was kind of my 207 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 1: first job in the faith space. And so I have 208 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: not looked back. God has just been amazing opening doors. 209 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: But I've been doing this for a very long time now, 210 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy to think. 211 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: So why is it important to you, though? Why do 212 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: we need Christian journalists? Let's pretend there's a Christian journalist 213 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: in the audience who's a Christian they're in college or 214 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: high school. Why is it important to do what you're 215 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: doing and for others to do what you're doing. 216 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's so many stories that need to 217 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: be told that are not being told. And you know, 218 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: people like you, people like our friend Jesse Jackson over 219 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: at church leaders. There are people out there who we 220 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: need more of them. They're telling these amazing stories, these 221 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: life transformation stories. I mean, Jesus was a storyteller, right, 222 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: And so when I look at the media, there's so 223 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: much and there's so many great journalists in the secular 224 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: world doing good job, a good job. But the point is, 225 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: there are so many times I'm reading a story or 226 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: watching something and in the story, I'm five paragraphs down 227 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait a minute, that's the story that's 228 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: being missed, right, And so I think we can all 229 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: relate to this, those of us who work in this 230 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: space of wanting to tell stories that point people to God. 231 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, doesn't matter. All the 232 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: other stuff is fine and it's great, But whether it's 233 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: a documentary or it's a podcast, or it's something that's written, 234 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: I want to be a part of something that is 235 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: going to tell God's story and as time goes on, 236 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: that has become more and more important to me. Less 237 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: of me, more of Him, and we just need good 238 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: people in media who are doing that, telling those Jesus 239 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: stories and pointing people towards the Lord. 240 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: If you like today's episode, please subscribe and leave a 241 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: five star review. 242 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 3: That's how we help more people just like you find 243 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: the show. A big thanks to the team at life 244 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: Audio for their partnership with us on the podcast. If 245 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: you go to lifeaudio dot com, you will find dozens 246 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: of other faith centered podcasts in their network. 247 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: See you next time.