1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hamer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Nicholas Maduro, the deposed kind of sort of maybe but 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: not really, dictator of Venezuela, appearing in New York Federal 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Court on Monday alongside his wife, where he proceeds to 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: plead not guilty to the charges for which he was 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: indicted initially by a court in Florida, with a superseding 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: indictment there in New York City back in the final 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: year of the first Trump term, back in twenty twenty. Normally, 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: a situation like this where you have a fugitive of 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: justice does not necessarily have all the overtones of an 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: international foreign policy issue. But because of the nature of 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: this particular incident, because of the nature of how this 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: went down this past weekend in Caracas, Venezuela, because of 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: the involvements of the US Army Delta Force, because of 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: the nature of the Maduro regime as a staunch ally 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: of all the world's worst actors, from communist China to 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Russia to Iran to Cuba and North Korea to Hesbala 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: and everyone in between. Because of all that, this is 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: not simply a legal matter, but very much a foreign 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: policy matter as well. First, just a further coda on 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: the law. On the Essays show, we spent a lot 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: of time talking about the specter in some cases, perhaps 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: many cases, the misnomer of so called international law, which 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: is often invoked as a sword, but is rarely understood 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: by those who have a tendency to invoke it. Specifically, 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: we expect at this trial, which is probably going to 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: take years, if I had to guess, especially including the 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: appeals that will inevitably come, Maduro's lawyers are going to 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: invoke all sorts of so called international law defenses. They're 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: going to appeal to his purported alleged status as the 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: head of state, for which they are going to claim 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: that he is entitled to absolute immunity to being prosecuted 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: in foreign courts of law. The problem is multifault. On 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: the one hand, this has been tried before. We mentioned 35 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: yesterday that there have been multiple cinenses, Ronald Reagan going 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: into the country of Grenada in the early nineteen eighties, 37 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: along with perhaps even more Saliencly to the point George H. W. 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: Bush going into Patama thirty six years to the day 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: prior to the Caracas raid this past Saturday, and Back 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, the George HW. Bush administration got the 41 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: disputed illegitimate drug trafficking drug overlord, Dictator Patama Manuel Noriega, 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: on very similar charges. Noriega's lawyers back then offered many 43 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: defenses that Maduro's lawyers are going to offer now. Those 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: defenses failed in nineteen ninety, and those defenses are going 45 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: to fail today because Nicholas Maduro is not a legitimately 46 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: elected head of state. This has been the policy of 47 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: three successive presidential administrations, going back to Donald Trump's first term, 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: going into the Biden administration, which had a fifty million 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: dollars bounty on Maduro's head, much to the apparent surprise 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: of the dim witted former VP Kamala Harris, who over 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: the weekend was excoriating Donald Trump and no en certain turn. 52 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: And then that policy of not recognized Nicholas Madua as 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: the head of state has continued into this MAGA two 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: point zero second Trump administration as well. By the way, 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: that sentiment is not simply a sentiment of the United 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: States of America. That legal assessment is shared by such 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: liberal bastions as Canada and by the European Union itself. 58 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: So Maduro is best understood as a fugitive justice who 59 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: just happens to live in a foreign country. Now we 60 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: can always got agains details as whether or not he's 61 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: actually going to be convicted by a jury in New 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: York City. This is the same location, New York City 63 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: that found Donald Trump to be guilty on those outrageous, 64 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: ludicrous Stormy Daniels corporate bookkeeping nonsense Alvin Bragg Stalinist prosecution 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: hoax back in two thousand and twenty four. So we 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: can kind of get into the juror debate and the 67 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: betty markets Polymarket and the other online betting markets. We're 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun with that. Yesterday talking about 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: whether or not he's actually going to be convicted ron 70 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: the Santas of Florida and the governor having a little 71 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: fun with that. He quote tweeted the Polymarket guessing game 72 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: and basically said, you know what, I bet this guy 73 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: would probably convicted if he were in Florida and as 74 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: at Florida, and I think that our governor is absolutely right. Frankly, 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: I would love to see Madureau try by a jury 76 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: of his peers in Dural, Florida, which is one of 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: the homes of the Venezuela and expats community, those who 78 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: have fled communism there in Venezuela, very much located here 79 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: in South Florida. So I do not expect Maduro's legal 80 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: defenses to go well. Much that has been tried and 81 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: rejected before. Having said that, when you get to a 82 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: jury trial, sometimes you just don't know. And this kind 83 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: of gets into the overarching debate when it comes to 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: the jurors system, whether it has outlied its usefulness. We're 85 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: going to table that discussion for now. Perhaps we will 86 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: revisit it at an opportune time sometime down the road. Now, there's, 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: as as mentioned, there are all sorts of foreign policy 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: and domestic political overtones to the Maduro capture, And yes 89 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: it is a capture. First of all. When it comes 90 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: to the left, what exactly is are to say? That 91 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: has not been settled ready, but we're going to say 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: it anyway. There how many freaking absurd dictators, tyrannical jack 93 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: booted thugs overseas. Will these people just leap leap to defense? 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: And when I say leap in some cases, I mean 95 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: literally leap Over the weekend on Saturday. What it took 96 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: a few hours, a few hours for these these leftists, 97 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: many of whom are these professional paid protesters, paid by 98 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: the Soros Foundation and the Ties Foundation, all these various 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: left wing NGOs undoubtedly paid the same thing that that 100 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: the pro Hamas Jihadis on Canvas are paid. In the 101 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: aftermath of the horrific October seven, twenty twenty three pro 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: gone on Saturday, they what these folks. They leap out 103 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: of bed in the morning as if they have nothing 104 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: better to do on honest Saturday, and they're in the 105 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: streets seemingly within minutes, within hours, the most of the 106 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: news actually breaking the American airwaves that Maduro has indeed 107 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: been captured by US Delta Force. As it turns out, 108 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: we now know that a lot of this active of 109 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: the was organized and funded buy a group known as 110 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: the People's Forum, which has very very close ties to yes, 111 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: you guessed have the Chinese Communist Party. In fact, that 112 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: People's Forum, which is behind we know this for a 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: fat The New York Post, among others are Portium. They 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: are behind a lot, probably not at all, but a 115 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 1: lot of the coordinate activity when it comes to the 116 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: pro Maduro raties this past week, and there the People's Forum, 117 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: taking in at least one instance, twenty million dollars in 118 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: donation from a very very closely tied Chinese Communist Party 119 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: activist by the name of Nebell Singham. Not a very 120 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: Chinese signing name, but I guess he is a Chinese propagandist, 121 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: and he actually lives in Shanghai, so virtually none of 122 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: this is organic. But you know, it's kind of funny. 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Today is the five year anniversary of January six, twenty 124 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: twenty one, a day that will live in infamy, right, 125 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: And I didn't really necessarily want to talk about January 126 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: sixth on say show, because frankly, I kind of forgot 127 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: that it was January six, because five years later it's 128 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: it's literally that much of a forgot nothing burger to me. 129 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: But we should at least say the following, which is 130 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 1: the folks who are out there, and from a quick 131 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: scan of social media and so forth, they are clearly 132 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: out there. The folks who are still lamenting into crying, 133 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: who are still lambasting Donald Trump as being an opponent 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: of American democracy, for being complicit in the day that 135 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: democracy almost died in twenty twenty one, five years ago. 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: To the day. Many of these folks are the same 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: folks who are out there industrys protesting in vociferous, clamorous 138 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: fashion this past weekend on behalf on behalf of the 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: Maduro regime. Try to square that circle for me. I'm sorry, 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a threat to democracy for doing what, 141 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: literally for doing what for cleaning up your streets via 142 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: the National Guard. He's a threat to democracy by trying 143 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that the unelected, undemocratic administrative states does 144 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: not wield disapportionate power. So he wants to say that 145 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. But e Colis Maduro, 146 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: the guy who banned opposition newspapers, guy who murdered countless 147 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: of his own citizens, the guy who was literally running 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: a transnational drug trafficking ring called the Cartel Dilla, souls 149 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: that that guy is not a threat to democracy. What 150 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Like, actually, what is wrong with you? 151 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: I mean numerous elected officials from the democratic class, not 152 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: just the lefting activists, many elect officials completely and utterly 153 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: declining themselves on this question. Maggie Goodlander is a congresswoman 154 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: from the granted state of the state of New Hampshire. 155 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: You man have heard of her. You might have not 156 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: heard of her. She refused to answer a question as 157 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: to whether arresting Maderda was a good thing. Here is 158 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: representative Goodlander on CNN. 159 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: Do you think it's a good thing that Mduro is 160 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: no longer in power? 161 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: Maduall was a dictator, He is a thug, and he 162 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: was a grave disservice to the Venezuelan people. But look 163 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 3: here in New Ham sure we're celebrating today the two 164 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: hundred and fiftieth anniversary of our constitution. I believe what 165 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: my stage is showed in the world is that a 166 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: government of buy and for the people themselves is what 167 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: we should be aiming towards. 168 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not answer the question, basically, you're not 169 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: saying that arresting this narco terrorist who has caused immense 170 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: suffering not just to his own people and very much 171 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: to the American people through his international drug trafficking, just 172 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: categorically refused to answer this question. By the way, she 173 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: is exactly the kind of person, this backbencher congress woman 174 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: who most people probably never get her. She's exactly the 175 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: kind of person who I guarantee you in her various 176 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: press releases and her social media feed her this or 177 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: that is engaging in hysterical, hysterical melo drama and histrionics. 178 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: When it comes to the five year anniversary over the 179 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: day that democracy almost die January sixth, twenty twenty one. 180 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: Some other Democrats, by the way, are playing the war 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: powers game. They're saying, oh, man, Congress is not consulted 182 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to the Maduro ray. For instance, here 183 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: was Congressman Glenn Ivy of Maryland, who is big time 184 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: mad big time I med that Congress wasn't briefed here 185 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: as Congressman Glenn Ivy on WSA nine in Washington, DC. 186 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: Can you tell us a bit more before we go? 187 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 4: And I know we're all still learning about all of 188 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 4: this at the same time, but there are there any 189 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: other specific diplomatic or economic steps that you think Congress 190 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: can do to push for some stability in Venezuela at 191 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: this point? 192 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 5: Well, you know, first step I think is to get 193 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 5: the full briefing on where. 194 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: Things actually stand. 195 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 5: And that's why the briefing should have taken place before 196 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 5: they made the move into Venezuela instead of afterwards, because 197 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 5: now we're trying to play catch up with that and 198 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 5: trying to make these guys of diplomatic decisions of you, 199 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 5: as you've raised, but not having full information. 200 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: Yet, so as we spent on yesterday's show, this is 201 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: better understood and not as a military operation, but as 202 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: a law enforcement operation. There are clear foreign policy overtones. 203 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: We discussed it briefly yesterday and we'll get to it 204 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: at greater length and greater depth momentarily, but it's primarily 205 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: a law enforcement operation for the very simple reason that 206 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: Maduro is one not the legit mids head of state 207 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: of Venezuela. In twenty nineteen, you had Juan Waido, who 208 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: according to many won the election in twenty eighteen, then 209 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: the protests nearly twenty nineteen. At minimum, in twenty twenty 210 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: four you had and Mundo Gonzalez, who won the election 211 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: most international observers, including the Eurocrats and Brussels recognized. So 212 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: he's not the legitimate head of states, and this was 213 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: trying to extract someone to face justice on an indictment. 214 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: If Madua had been in the United States, there would 215 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: have been no reason for the US military to be involved. 216 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: You would have had the US marshals or the FBI 217 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: or SWAT teams go ahead and do it there. So 218 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: this is not a war powers question. There is no 219 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: declare war operation going on. There are plenty of big 220 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: questions as to what happens to Venezuela, and among those 221 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: questions are what we're going to be dealing with on 222 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: the rest of our show. I'm probably dealing with that, 223 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: frankly for months and months and months now. But this 224 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: notion of war powers is totally ludicrous there, and this 225 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: congressman has no idea what we saw him about it. 226 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm Joshamer will be right back, welcome back to the show. 227 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: So the foreign policy raifications are indeed dress. This was 228 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: primarily a law enforcement operation. There naturally are major foreign 229 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: policy overtones too much of what is going on there. 230 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: The former Maduro vice president, who was sworn in pretty 231 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: much immediately after the extraction Maduro as the nation's acting president, 232 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: is a one by the name of Delci Rodriguez. Delcea 233 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: Rodriguez is a lunatic. She's an absolute lunatic by all accounts. 234 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: She gets someone who is just as far left it, frankly, 235 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: not even further to the left then Nicholas Maduro himself. 236 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: Among other things that Dela Rodriguez did in the immediate 237 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: aftermath of being sworn in by the Venezuelan and Supreme 238 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Court as the current acting President. Among the things that 239 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Delsea Rodriguez did was she proceeded to blame the Maduro 240 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: extraction on Oh, yeah, you guessed it, the Jews. No doubt, 241 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: she's been watching many episodes of the Tucker Carlson Show. 242 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: So Rodriguez there talking about how this is a foreign 243 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: orchestrated plot generally has just been sounding like a crazy person. 244 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: After she was scorn in, she immediately went to the diplomats, 245 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: the emissaries of hostile American of regimes hostiles to American 246 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: interests such as Russia in China, the very same notional 247 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: nominal Venezuela and quote unquote allies that did absolutely nothing 248 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: to prevent this extraction in the first place. There So 249 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: Rodriguez walks over to the representative of the Chinese Communist government, 250 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: to the representative of the Russian Federation, proceeds to thank 251 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: them and glad hand them and smile at ear to air. 252 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: So it seems, on the one hand that it is 253 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: very much more of the same, which again raises this 254 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: question as to what exactly is the trum administration doing 255 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: here when it comes to trying to make this work 256 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: with Delsa Rodriguez if we were actually going to quote 257 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: unquote run Venezuela, which is a very open question, and 258 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: it's what Donald Trump has been saying that's been being 259 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: encountered a little bit by Marco Rubio, who seems to 260 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: be downplaying the notion of America quote unquote running Venezuela. 261 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: But if we're actually going to do this, then why 262 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: in the world are we doing this with someone who 263 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: is just as crazy a pink o kami as Maduro himself. 264 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to do it 265 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: with basically the diet coke vanilla version of Maduro Delsa Rodriguez. 266 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: Well. 267 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: An interesting conversation that was posted at the Free Press 268 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: publication earlier today. David Petraeus, you might I remember him 269 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: as being the head of the Iraq War era Counterincertgaincy, 270 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: someone whose thoughts are generally highly esteemed considered when it 271 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: comes to military matters and yes, matters of so called 272 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: regime change. Dan Patreya is actually sounding a note of 273 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: concurrence with the administration and basically saying that this is 274 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: the least likely path to go awry, And there's some 275 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: truth in that. If you're going to go in and 276 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: you're going to extract someone who maybe he's not the 277 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: legitimate head of state, but he at least had the entrapments, 278 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: He at least had the accouterments, the quasi public impromatore 279 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: of presidential status quasi because there are many folks who 280 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: disputed that correctly and rightfully disputed that, but he still 281 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: was viewed by many as the president. If you're going 282 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: to do that, does it make sense to then just 283 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: go guns fully blazing, proverbally or literally speaking, and just 284 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: try to go in and install a pro American puppet. Well, 285 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: that hasn't necessarily always worked out for the best case 286 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: scenario for the United States when it comes to a 287 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: lot of failed Latin American interventions in decades past. The 288 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: point that betrays making in this interview, and it resonates 289 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: a little bit with me, is that you should try 290 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: to do the incrementalist thing. Right Now, Maduro was a fugitive, 291 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: You had a fifty million dollars bound his head. We 292 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: got them. Now, let's see if there's a way that 293 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: the United States can use its overwhelming diplomatic and economic 294 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: leverage to try to make do with the logical successor 295 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: if Rodriguez ends up not being interested in playing ball. Okay, 296 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: maybe that is another conversation. This does, though, raise the 297 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: broader conversation, which is what the heck is going on 298 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to American foreign policy at this moment? 299 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: Is America actually emerging now as something of a twenty 300 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: first empire? And that's quite a paradox, isn't it. It's 301 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: quite ironic, and I think some would suggest that Donald Trump, 302 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: who campaigns at least to some extent, as being a 303 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: much more humble, modest figure on the world stage. I 304 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: think back to the twenty sixteen Republican president as a premier, 305 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump excoriated Jeb Bush to his face for 306 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: his brother George W. Bush's adventurism, his adventurism abroad in 307 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: Iraqi and Afghanistan. It is definitely something of an irony 308 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is now here talking and in many 309 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: ways not just talking, but acting as something of a 310 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: foreign interventionist himself. And the question that is being bad 311 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: around I think a lot of folks all across politist 312 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: past Marto asking there is what exactly is this administration 313 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: doing when it comes to foreign policy. Let me throw 314 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: in two additional wrinkles into the conversation. Then we will 315 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: revisit this broader topic momentarily. Those two additional wrinkles are 316 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: Iron and Greenland. Let's go ahead and take those situations 317 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: one by one. Iran has now been facing a week 318 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: and a half of protests. They started a few days 319 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: after Christmas, and at this point there are Iranian protesters 320 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: who are out on the streets and they are now 321 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: all throughout the country of Iran. They are now in 322 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: all of the twenty plus provinces of Iran. Based on 323 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: what we are seeing across social media, it seems that 324 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: there are protesters who have now taken actually they've actually 325 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: taken over parts of Islamic Revolutionary Guard core military basis. 326 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: They've taken over parts of Tehran City, municipal infrastructure, parts 327 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: of markets. There. There have now been at least a 328 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: dozen and a half two dozen protesters who've been visually 329 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: killed by this most tyrannical of Islamus theocratic regimes. And 330 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: there's been fascinating reporting coming from the Times of London, 331 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: a pretty prestigious, well known British newspaper that the Ayatola 332 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: himself Kaimeni, who is the quote unquote supreme leader. He's 333 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: the real leader of this horrific Islamist theocracy. According to 334 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: The Times London, Kaimni actually has a planning part if 335 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: the IRGC stops fighting, if the regime looks like it's 336 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: about the collapse, then it looks like Comedy is basically 337 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: going to hit the road. He's gonna hit the panic, 338 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: butt him and make a bee line straight for Lamar 339 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Putin's welcoming warm bosom in Moscow. He'll basically in that case, 340 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: Comedy will basically be trying to do the same thing 341 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: that Bascher al Asad did after he was toppled in Damascus, Syria, 342 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: just over a year ago. Very hard to know exactly 343 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: how accurate this reporting is, but it does seem pretty 344 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: clear that this is the most serious uprising against the 345 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: Irani regime at least since the Green Revolution of two 346 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, during the very early years of the 347 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Obam presidency. It's true that other there have been protests 348 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: against the running regime for many, many years. There are 349 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: a lot of women who are protesting the he job 350 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: as recently as a few years ago in twenty twenty two. 351 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: This happens on a fairly regular basis because the regime 352 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: was just frankly that evil. But this is going on 353 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: for a while and they have good reason to be upset. 354 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: The currency, the real has dropped forty percent, inflation is 355 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: through the roof, the economy is in the toilet. The 356 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: entire country is heavily sanctioned due to their financing of 357 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: terrorist activity. There's been a terrible drought and the country 358 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: has as deeply struggled to provide wa are the most 359 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: basic of baar necessities to their people there. So is 360 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: the regime going to fall? Well, look, he never acount 361 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: your chickens before their hatch. Donald Trump, for what it's worth, 362 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of now playing this second term more moralistic, more 363 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: interventionist person, Donald Trump saying that if the regime starts 364 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: killing in mass some of their own distance, some of 365 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: their own protests, the United States is going to get involved, 366 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: which is yet another another threat of humanitarian or humanitarian 367 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: adjacent intervention, playing off of his intervention on Christmas Day 368 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: in Nigeria where he attacked ISIS related Islamis cells in 369 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: order to save the persecuted besieged Christians of Nigeria. Now 370 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: it's only humanitarian adjacent in the case of Iran, because 371 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: Iran is also a horrific national security threat, and removing 372 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: that regime would almost assuredly definitely be a net positive 373 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: for the United States, for the West, frankly, for all 374 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: of humanity there. But we're not going to get involved 375 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: necessarily militarily with Iran. But it does seem entirely possible 376 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: that you could see the United States engage, not just 377 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: in moral or rhetorical supports, it seemed entirely possible that 378 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: the administration might start getting involved when it comes to 379 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: trying to vet individuals may provide weapons there at a 380 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: bare minimum, this administration that is deeply morally and rhetorically 381 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: supportive of the Iranian people. In fact, some of the 382 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: protesters in Tehran just over the past couple of days, 383 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: this is an amazing anecdote. They actually took a street 384 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: and they renamed the street. The street was actually renamed 385 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: over a former Islamist in the theocratic regime, and they 386 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: renamed it after Donald Trump because Donald Trump is known 387 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: as a champion of the Iranian people. Look in many ways, folks, 388 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: I have some of the exact same horrific memories of 389 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: the regime change boon doggles that you probably do. The 390 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: Iraq War was a disaster, and frankly, the winner of 391 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: the Iraq War was actually this regime, the Irani regime, 392 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: who profited immensely off of the two trillion dollars that 393 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: were wasted wasted by the United States of America. But 394 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: it's important also to not overread the lessons of the 395 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: failed moralistic boon doggles of yesteryear. Is simply the case 396 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: of the United States has regimes on the world stage, 397 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: some of which are friendly to us, some of which 398 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: are hostile to us. The amount of American blood on 399 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: the hands of the Irani regime is impossible to even quantify. 400 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: It is a horrific regime. And when it comes to 401 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: the barest of bare minimums of providing rhetorical sooker and 402 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: support for these protesters, Donald Trump is doing the exact 403 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: right thing. It is an active courage to do what 404 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: he's doing there. He deserves tremendous credit for it. God 405 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: speed to the running protesters. We'll be right back. 406 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: Well. 407 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: As if all of these actions whether it's Nigeria, whether 408 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: it's Venezuela, or whether it's the possible continuing of some 409 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: sort of action in Iran. And by the way, just 410 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: a quick addendum to our comments on Iran, Donald Trump 411 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: has indeed now all but said that if Iran starts 412 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: rebuilding their nuclear capacity and their blisted mist capacity at 413 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: a greater scale than they currently already are, then the 414 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: United States will likely go in with some sort of 415 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: additional military action, possibly done in coordination with Israel, possibly 416 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: just done solo. Numerous Republican centers such as Center ricuson 417 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: Nebraska nodding along vociferously when asked by that, and it 418 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: seemed to that is a credible threat. Up There's also 419 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: the issue of Greenland. Now, Greenland is a fascinating territory 420 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: of Greenland is the largest island in the world unless 421 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: you count to Australia, which you can't because of Australia 422 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: is a continent. So Greenland is a massive, massive island 423 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: which only has about fifty thousand people, sitting basically right 424 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. If you look 425 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: on a map, it actually is closer to the eastern 426 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: seaboard of the United States than it is to Denmark, 427 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: which it is technically a part of and has been 428 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: a part of that for a long time now, there 429 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: have been Republicans who have been chomping at the bit 430 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: to try to bring Greenland into the American fold for 431 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: a long time. I think back to this OpEd that 432 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: Tom Cotton wrote for The New York Times probably twenty nineteen, 433 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, towards the end of the first Trump term, 434 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: basically calling for the United States we find a way 435 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: to annex Greenland. And ever since he came back in 436 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 1: office about a year ago last January, Donald Trump has 437 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: been talking to talk quite aggressively when it comes to 438 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: the issue of Greenland. He correctly correctly sees that the Arctic, 439 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: the Arctic region is a very very crucial region when 440 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: it comes to mintal resources, when it comes to military defense. 441 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: Think about it, it's the literal top of the world. 442 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: When you are flying from Russia to Alaska to Canada, 443 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: the Greenland there. The nature of the physical global mass 444 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: entity is such a these are quicker lights up there, 445 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: or these are these are these are quicker ships on 446 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: the icebreaker ships that go through the Arctic Ocean. You 447 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: can cut off a lot of time. And because of that, 448 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: and because it is where a lot of countries and 449 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: land masses meets, whether it's Russia, whether it's Canada, Greenlands 450 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: and so forth, it is a it is considered a crucial, crucial, 451 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: crucial part of the world. And what Donald Trump has 452 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: been saying is that Denmark and the European Union are 453 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: not doing a particularly great job of safeguarding the the 454 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: very real ravications of Greenland, especially when it comes to 455 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: trying to ward off Chinese and Russian aggression. China, for 456 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: what it's worth, has been investing a ton of resources 457 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to its own military, the People's Liberation Army, 458 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: they are in the Arctic. And a fascinating joint statement 459 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: that came out or to Stay a statement signed by 460 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: President's Manuel macrona France chancellor mergers with Germany Prime Minister 461 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: Georgia Maloney of Italy, Donald Tuska, Poland, and on and 462 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: on and on. This joint statement says Arctic security remains 463 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: a key priority for Europe and is crucial for international 464 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: and transland security. But Denmark is a NATO country, Greenland's 465 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: part of NATO. And if you do this, mister President 466 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: you're basically going to blow up the NATO alliance Woodsworth. 467 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: John Bolton, Yes, that John Bolton was on CNN and 468 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: saying much the exact same thing. Here is John Bolton. 469 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 2: And as for Greenland, every time he mentions this, Trump 470 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: endangers the NATO alliance. And if we were to take 471 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: a military action against Greenland, God forbid, it would be 472 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: the end of NATO. There are some of the administration 473 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: who would consider that a twofer. Unfortunately. 474 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so first of all, he's song you hear about 475 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: folks who desired the grid of NATO. I don't desire 476 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: the grid of NATO. But what I have been saying 477 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: for many years is that NATO was founded in the 478 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: Cold War to accomplish an objective. The objective was to contain, 479 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: roll back, or defeat the Soviet Union. That goal was 480 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: accomplished three and a half decades ago. So if you 481 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: want to have some sort of international coalition of first 482 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: world powers and the G seven is not enough for you, 483 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: or the G twenty, if you want to do that, 484 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm open to it, but the mission surely should change. 485 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: What exactly is the mission of NATO at this point? 486 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: There? 487 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I support fully some sort of similar coalition 488 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: to try to contain Chinese Communist Party hegemony. But the 489 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: parties will look quite a bit different than trying to 490 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: make a common cause with many of these European powers 491 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: that the Trump Minstration, to their great credit, has been 492 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: noting time and time again, they increasedly do not even 493 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: share our same values. Now. Jason Miller, who's been part 494 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: of the Trump infrastructure for the better part of a decade. 495 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: He's been a very frequently Trump presidential campaign hand. He's 496 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: been in and out of government as well. Jason Miller 497 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: was on gb News of the UK to say that 498 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Greenland should be a territorial area that's controlled by the US. 499 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: But no, there's not going to be invasion of Greenland. 500 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: That's just a silly distraction to me. That seems totally right. Look, 501 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: there is preston tier in American foreign policy when it 502 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: comes to engaging in what Trump calls the art of 503 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: the deal. Think back to the purchase of Alaska, William 504 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: Sewer's purchase of Alaska in the eighteen sixties from Russia. 505 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: From Czarist to Russia. We purchased Alaska, the Louisiana purchase. Hello, 506 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: have you ever read a history book, you get people. 507 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: The Louisiana purchase was purchase as the name would apply 508 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: from King Louis and the French Thomas Jarreson double the 509 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: size of the United States. How about the Gadsden purchase 510 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: in southwestern United States? To this narrow sliver at the 511 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: southern end of Arizona, New Mexico. We've done this any 512 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 1: number of times before, where you make an offer to 513 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: a foreign power if you try to purchase a land. 514 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: Is it really that crazy that the pre the United 515 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: States is talking about possibly trying to purchase Greenland. There's 516 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: not any boots on the ground. For God's sake, what 517 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: are these history honus? I mean, John Bolton, what are 518 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: you smoking? 519 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: Dude? 520 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: Like are what are you smoking? At this point? No 521 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: one talking about that. Look, when it comes to this 522 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: Trump two point zero foreign policy agenda in general, whether 523 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: it's Iran, Venezuela, Nigeria, is Greenland talk, here's how to 524 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: view it. Donald Trump fundamentally rejects the false dichotomy of 525 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: hawk or dove, of neo conservative or isolationists. And he 526 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: rejects it for a very simple reason because that dichotomy 527 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: is stupid. It's outmoded, it's overly simplistic, and it's really 528 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: really freaking stupid. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Donald Trump, 529 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: like the vast majority of Americans, lies somewhere in the middle. 530 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: His foreign policies is simple. He assesses every single area, 531 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: every hot spot around the world and says, what is 532 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: the American national interest in this spot and what can 533 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: and should the United States do when it comes to 534 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: trying to improve, augment, bolsters and secure our interests In 535 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: this particular response, when it comes to Greenland, the President 536 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: correctly deduces that our interests would be furthered by actually 537 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: controlling it ourselves and having US military bases there in 538 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: this crucial part of the world in the Arctic. To 539 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: better word off Russian and Chinese gemony, among others. When 540 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: it comes to Venezuela, a Donald Trump called the Donro 541 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: doctrine instead the Monroe doctrine. Dontum correctly recognizes that not 542 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: having this Hezbollah run Russia, China Cuba tied illegitimate dictator 543 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: and power is a win for the United States. What 544 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: happens next, we'll have to find out, but it's a 545 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: win for the United States. And oh, by the way, 546 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: he's the head of an international cartel ring, the Cartel 547 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: de la Souls, and was indicted with a fifty million 548 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: dollar bounty on his head. So it's this case by 549 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: case assessments. There are a lot of folks out there 550 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: who are now scratching their head and saying, eh, I 551 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: didn't vote for this. I didn't really vote for this. 552 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: This is not what I had in mind there. This 553 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: is This is empire, not humble American Republicanism, to which 554 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: I say, were you paying attention during the first Trump administration? 555 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: Did Donald Trump give you any indication during the first 556 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: term that he was a Ron Pohl style isolationist? The 557 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: guy who likes to take credit for bombing isis out 558 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: of effective existence in Iraq and Syria for things like 559 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: the assassination of the Iranian arch terrorists Kasai Sulimani at 560 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: the baged at a Rock airport in January of twenty twenty. 561 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: Was this the act of an isolationist? The guy who 562 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: bolstered anti Russian missile defense in Central and Eastern Europe 563 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: repeatedly delivered a positively reaganized speech in Warsaw, Poland in 564 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: the first year as presidency. In twenty seventeen, facing eastward, 565 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: looking directly into the offing at vamer Putin and the Kremlin. 566 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: Is that the guy that is going to just duck 567 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: and hide. Who's going to just let in this case 568 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: Maduro Love the American homeland with drugs. Who's going to 569 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: allow Russian and China to make ever more aggressive encroachments 570 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: in our hemisphere when it comes to things like Greenland. No, 571 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: dald Trump is America first, and he understands America first 572 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: to mean that he's going to put his country's interest first. 573 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: How that plays out is going to differ on the situation. 574 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: But America first is not the same as do nothing. Sometimes, 575 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: in order to put your country first, you have to 576 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: actually act on it. Donald Trump is a man of action. 577 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: He demonstrates that time and time again. So the Prime 578 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: Minister of Denmark, I would say, be careful and be 579 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: on the lookout for an offer coming your way. Probably 580 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: fairly soon, we'll be right back to be America first. 581 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: Dald Trump makes clear means sometimes to actually simply focus 582 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: from seed deshining sea here on the American confidence. Oftentimes 583 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: that is the case. Oftentimes it means trying to to 584 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: secure the southern border or trying to stop crime in 585 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: America's crime ridden cities like Memphis, Saint Louis, Kansas City, 586 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: and on and on and on. Oftentimes it means focusing 587 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: on the economy and things like that. But sometimes being 588 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: America first does mean to care beyond your country, to 589 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: care beyond your borders, and to care beyond your shores. 590 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: If America were a country like Lithuania or Kosovo, or Ghana, Botswana, whatever, 591 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: maybe maybe, maybe maybe you can actually be Botswana first 592 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and just care about domestic Botswana issues. But the United 593 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: States is not Botswana. We are a superpower, the greatest 594 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: superpower in the history of Western civilization, at least as 595 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: far back as the Roman Empire itself. We demonstrably and 596 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: self evidently have interests around the world, and above all, 597 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to our own backyard, to our own hemisphere. 598 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is on more more than firm footing for 599 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: doing what he did in Venezuela. He is on more 600 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: than firm footing for talking about the possibility of acquiring Greenland. 601 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: Will not be boots on the ground. Perhaps it will 602 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: be an offer. I personally would very much like to 603 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: see that offer, because from Venezuela to Greenland. This administration 604 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: that cares about our interests around the world, and above all, 605 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: it seems really cares first and foremost about America's clear 606 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: interests here in the West hemisphere. That is good and 607 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: as it should be. We mentioned yesterday show as well 608 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: the saga of Tim Walls in in Minnesota, tim Walls 609 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: announcing that he is not going to seek a third 610 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: term and he's not seeing a third term basically because 611 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: he's bad. Because Tim Walls is a loser. Because Tim 612 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: Walls is someone who has epically failed due to his 613 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: grotesque incurio, his lack of curiosity, his lack of ability 614 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: to root out one of the largest fraud scandals in 615 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: the history of United States that happened under his negligent watch. 616 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: There is a big time lesson here. We discussed on 617 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: yesterday show a little bit one of the lessons, which 618 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: is that independent podcasters and YouTubers like Nick Shirley are 619 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: doing a lot of the work that the corporate media 620 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: some people will not do. Another key lesson is this 621 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: do not go all in for the left wing intersectional agenda. 622 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: The number one reason that Tim Walls repeatedly, over and 623 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: over again said that he was not going to do 624 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: anything that he His justification for not doing anything on 625 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: this issue was he said, he said, you guys are racist. 626 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: You're a bunch of racists for raising this issue. Or 627 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: Republicans are racists. They don't. They don't like brown people, 628 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: they don't like Samalies, they don't like Islam. Maybe we 629 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: actually have a real question about Islam. But hold that aside. 630 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: The point is there was asked Themali fraud and you 631 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: just called everyone a racist, and you let your taxpayers 632 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: because someone's federal All taxpayers get built to the tune 633 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: of billions of dollars because of that. So the political 634 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: lesson is, do not indulge the far left craziness. Don't 635 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: do it is a recipe for political extinction, and political 636 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: extinction is what Tim Walls now finds himself now that 637 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 1: he is not seeking a third term. It really is 638 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous scalp. So huge kudos not just to Nick Shirley, 639 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: in many ways, huge kodos kudos to Chris Rufo, the 640 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: amazing investigative journalists and activists who first really got this 641 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 1: story going, and Donald Trump blew it up. Then Nick 642 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: Sureley blew it up. There and ultimately Chris Rufo and 643 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: others got their scalp, and their scalp came in the 644 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: form of Tim Walls announced that he's not running for 645 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: reelection again. It's just an incredible change from Tim Walls 646 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: nearly being a Vice president of the United States and 647 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: what a sad, sad talent is. Democrats, I feel expect 648 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: will not actually learn any of these lessons, but frankly, 649 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: if they had any wits about them, they really really should. 650 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: One final up story that I want to make sure 651 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: touched on before we let it go another day without 652 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: mentioning it a major secondmenment case that came out of 653 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: California this past weekend that the media has barely touched on, 654 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: but I think it's actually really really important. This is 655 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: a case out of California called Baird be a Banta, 656 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: and it reached a two to one well a three 657 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: judge panel of Use corret Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, 658 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: and the panel ruling in two to one fashion against 659 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: against California's complete ban on openly carrying a firearm in public. 660 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: This two to one panel in a majority opinion led 661 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: by Judge Lawrence Van Dyke, who is a Trump nominee, 662 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: who was a fantastic judge, one of the most stalwart 663 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: conservative constitutional judges there on the Ninth Circuit Judge Van 664 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,760 Speaker 1: Dyke saying that this is actually a very straightforward case 665 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: under the Supreme Court's precedence from a few years ago. 666 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: So recall that in twenty twenty two the Court for 667 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: the very first time stepped back into the gun rights 668 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: segment debate since the all important Heller and McDonald's cases, 669 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: which for the first time codified your individual rights steam 670 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: bear arms back into the date in twenty ten. For many, 671 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: many years, many years, the Court totally neglected after Heller 672 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: McDonald's to get involved in the Secmendment, which led Justine 673 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas to bemoan the fat that the Court was 674 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: treating the Second Amendment as a second class right. Finally, 675 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: finally they got involved, and in twenty twenty two are 676 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: the Court rules on this case called Bruin out of 677 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: New York City. And in the Bruin case, the Court 678 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: basically held that if you have a ban on carrying 679 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: out to the home, it is presumed presumed to be 680 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: unconstitutional unless it is well within this nation's history and traditions. 681 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: It basically establishes this history and traditions test. But Judge 682 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: Van Dyke, writing for the Ninth Circuit, in this total 683 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: ban on open carrying this case out of California just 684 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: this past Friday, Judge Van Dyke, writing for the Ninth Circuit, quote, 685 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: under Bruin is a straightforward case. California is attempting to 686 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: address a general societal problem through materially different means than 687 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: we're used during either the founding or reconstruction. So he's 688 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: talking here about the Second Amendments and then the fourteenth Amendment. 689 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,399 Speaker 1: It's this kind of Bruin history and traditions test. Look, 690 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: the Court unfortunately is going to have to step back 691 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: into to this Second Amendment thicket sooner rather than later. 692 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: They do not want to repeat their mistake that they 693 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: made after the Hell or at McDonald cases, where they 694 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: refuse to touch this thing, this lightning wrought issue. They refuse 695 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: to get involved there over the repeated descents of Clarence Thomas, 696 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: the same Alito who were just encouraging the colleagues, please 697 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: please please, this second moment is no less important a 698 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: right than the first, fourth, fifth Amendment and so forth 699 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: there it is crucial that we get this right and 700 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: then when we issue a ruling, that we enforce it. 701 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: How many times have we seen, just in this first 702 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: year of the Trump term, how many times have we 703 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: seen a judge just willfully ignored a Supreme Court order. 704 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: It's happened repeatedly. A judge of Massachusetts did it in 705 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: prolific fashion announced that he was doing so. So when 706 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: the Court has a case that it sees is not 707 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: being upheld by the lower courts, which not here but 708 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: in many other times, the Bruin case has actually met 709 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: that fate, they have to step in and solidify it. Look, 710 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: the segments of the Constitution reads, the right of the 711 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: people to keeping bear arms shall not be infringed in 712 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: relevant parts. That's the main clause. What does the term 713 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: bare arms means? We know what the word keep means, 714 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: and keep arms. That's the Heller case of two thousand 715 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: and eight and the McDonald's case of twenty ten. You 716 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: have an individual right to own a firearm for wall purposes, 717 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: self defense, it's hunting, et cetera, in your home. What 718 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: does it means to bear arms? Well, it's really not 719 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: much more complicated than what it means to keep arms. 720 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: What it means is that for shoulder hoisted weaponry, you 721 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: have the ability to carry it outside of your home, 722 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: and a naked ban on carrying is not going to 723 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: cut it. Now, how exactly to draw this line between 724 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: concealed carrying open carrying. There is going to be some 725 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: room here for state legislation ultimately tailored to some extent 726 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: to the common good, within the confines of history, traditions, 727 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: and the various Brewer details there. But you can't just 728 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: legislate the word bear in the bare arms clause out 729 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: of the Secondmendment. You can't do it. So to this 730 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: stupid revenue from democratic sacramento. You guys can't do that. 731 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: You lost. Feel free to appeal this one to the 732 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: on Bang nine Circuit. The Supreme Court should get involved 733 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: here if this litigation go south, because this is a crucial, 734 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: crucial right. I've been conceal a carrier for the better 735 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: part of a decade now, I very rarely leave my 736 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: home without my firearm at my side. Why Because I'm 737 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: an American and that's my constitutional right, and that's your 738 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 1: constitutional right too, And that constution right does not matter 739 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: whether you live in Florida, Texas or in New York 740 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: or California. We all have the same constitution. It's a 741 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: brilliant ruling for the Ninth Circuit. Unfortunately, I fear that 742 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: the en banc cord the full Court could potentially overturn this, 743 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: in which case just is really have to get involved. 744 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: I expect, frankly that they will at that point. I'm 745 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: Joshammer and this has been the Josh Ammer Show. The 746 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: Josh Amber Show is a member of the Trust Project