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Speaker 1: Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm having a very America.

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Speaker 1: I got my Christmas present yesterday. Jasmine Crockett, Congressman extraordinaire

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Speaker 1: from Texas announced for Senate.

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Speaker 3: David M.

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Speaker 1: Drucker is here from The Dispatch, where he's the senior

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Speaker 1: political writer, to hallucinate for us the consequences of Jasmine

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Speaker 1: Crockett running for the Senate. I hope against John corn

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Speaker 1: and I've endorsed John Corny and David I know you

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Speaker 1: don't endorse, but I would love to see a corner

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Speaker 1: and Crockett race. Tell me about the consequences of a

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Speaker 1: Crockett nomination.

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Speaker 4: Well, if she stays true to form, then she's going

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Speaker 4: to run as a quite rather center left Democrat. It's

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Speaker 4: not generally the way you're going to win crossover voters.

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Speaker 4: In Texas. Now, there are a couple of things here, Hugh,

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Speaker 4: which I think are really interesting. You had Colin all

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Speaker 4: Read in the race, a former congressman, he's run statewide before.

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Speaker 4: It didn't win, but that helps with Namid, and he

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Speaker 4: was already facing a challenge from the left from James

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Speaker 4: Tallerica who's a progressive but a pastor and was trying

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Speaker 4: to melt sort of progressive politics with being in tune

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Speaker 4: culturally with where Texans are. Jasmine Crockett got redistricted out

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Speaker 4: of her house district because of the mid decade redistrict

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Speaker 4: being recently completed and okay by the Supreme Court, and

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Speaker 4: so she needed something to do, and she has a

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Speaker 4: lot of Here's what I would say, she has a

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Speaker 3: She's quick on her feet, she's good with a quip.

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Speaker 3: But if you're going to.

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Speaker 4: Have a chance as a Democrat in Texas, you're going

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Speaker 4: to have to run as a moderate or a centrist.

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Speaker 3: You can be her left, but you have to stylistically be.

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Speaker 4: In tune with where a lot of voters are because

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Speaker 4: you're gonna need crossover voters, You're gonna need soft partisans,

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Speaker 4: You're gonna need the swing voters, and maybe the midterm

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Speaker 4: election creates an opportunity with swing voters just you know,

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Speaker 4: on its own. But with the soft partisans and the

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Speaker 4: crossovers that you're gonna need, you're not going to do

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Speaker 4: it as decidedly completely center left. And that's what she's

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Speaker 4: arguing for now. It'll be curious to see if she

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Speaker 4: wins the primary over James Tallerica, but I'm sure Republicans

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Speaker 4: would be thrilled to have her in the race. The

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Speaker 4: other consequence of this is Democrats across the country.

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Speaker 3: Getting the activists.

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Speaker 4: And the on the very online are gonna really like

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Speaker 4: her if they don't know her. She can raise a

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Speaker 4: lot of money, and that's gonna be money that Democrats

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Speaker 4: might as well light on fire if she's the nominee,

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Speaker 4: and it's money that won't go elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: Democrats have had a problem.

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Speaker 4: With this where they find I'm a candidate in a

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Speaker 4: know and really don't like, they send them a bunch

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Speaker 1: Now, David, I am thrilled that she's in the race. Thrilled.

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Speaker 1: And she has sparkle, she has chops. She is absolutely unafraid.

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Speaker 1: She knows what she believes. She's often wrong, in fact,

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Speaker 1: So I'm thrilled. Here's what I worry about. It's a

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Speaker 1: it into the Grand Canyon. Have you thought that through yet?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 4: And look, I think we have to say that voters

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Speaker 4: We saw this during Trump's first presidency with the special

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Speaker 4: Senate election in Alabama where Roy Moore was simply too

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Speaker 4: making you know a distinction between you know, is Jasmine

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Speaker 4: Crockett a good politician.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a good politician. Is she from a policy and.

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Speaker 4: Stylistic perspective, a good fit if a Democrat wants to

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Speaker 4: flip Texas. No, But but you can't just nominate anybody

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Speaker 4: that I think the same rule applies the same way

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Speaker 3: With a Crockett corn And race.

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Speaker 4: But Paxton is is definitely a huge potential problem for

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Speaker 4: Republicans if he escapes the primary in Texas, which, of

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Speaker 4: course in Texas means escaping the runoff, especially in a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I want you to walk me through the runoff.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the rules well enough. I do want

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Speaker 1: to say I am adamant. John Corny's a layup former

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice in Texas. He's won four times before.

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Speaker 1: One of the elder statesmen of the Senate, but not elderly.

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Speaker 1: He's very, very vigorous. He's on the show a lot.

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Speaker 1: I like John. I think he should win easily. This

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Speaker 1: race by the Attorney General just leaves me mystified. But

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Speaker 1: what is the rule? Who who is it? If you

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Speaker 1: don't get one and if you know, if you don't get.

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Speaker 3: That, you then you proceed to a runoff.

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Speaker 4: And usually these runoffs are lower turnout affairs, right.

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Speaker 3: I think the last time we.

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Speaker 4: the city lieutenant governor of the state of Texas, David Dewhurst.

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Speaker 4: Of course, in Texas, the lieutenant governor isn't an unknown,

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Speaker 3: And Cruz just worked it and worked it.

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Speaker 4: He got Dewhurst into a runoff, and he beat him

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Speaker 4: Dewhurst one round one. Cruz won the runoff, And so

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Speaker 4: usually enter the government with the runoffs, is the upstart candidate,

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Speaker 4: often win the runoff, has a fight on his hands.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, has a real fight on his hands. That's

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Speaker 1: why he is working hard. I like the fact that

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go from Texas up to Maine. Graham

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Speaker 1: Plantner is not going over. We got less than do

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Speaker 1: you expect him to beat the seventy nine year old

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Speaker 1: governor who would be eighty when she took office, Janet Milk.

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Speaker 3: Don't don't know enough yet. I've seen conflicting polling, Hugh.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I will say Platiner right now is one

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Speaker 4: the feels and the vibes. And the governor well liked

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Speaker 4: and Democratic voters are hungry for younger, fresher leadership. But

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Speaker 4: the polling has been mixed, and Janet Mills is not

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Speaker 4: a shrinking violet.

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Speaker 3: So we'll have to see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Drucker follow him on exit, David M. Drucker especially about

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crocker, John Cornyan and everyone else. We just talked

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Speaker 1: about senior political writer for The Dispatch, David M. Drucker

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Speaker 1: on next, Thank you, David, coming right back to America State.

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Speaker 5: I inherited a mess. I inherited a total mess. Prices

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Speaker 5: were at an all time high when I came in.

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Speaker 5: Prices are coming down substantially.

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Speaker 1: Look at energy.

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Speaker 3: You and I discussed before the interview.

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Speaker 1: Energy.

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Speaker 5: Energy has come down in incredibly. When energy comes down,

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Speaker 5: everything because it's so much bigger than any other subject.

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Speaker 5: But energy has come down incredibly.

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Speaker 1: Morning, Laura and even Grace America. That is President Trump

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Speaker 1: in an interview or at least today with Dasha Burns

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Speaker 1: of Politico. I'm joined by Brett Baer, a host of

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Speaker 1: Special Report, watching them every nine at six pm. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the nation's most watched real news show. Left. What do

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Speaker 1: you think, Brett Dasha's interview with the President. I've been

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Speaker 1: on the panel with her on your show before, and

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Speaker 1: this I think was her first sit down with the President.

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Speaker 1: I thought she did well. What do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was her first sit down and I thought

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Speaker 6: of the tricks of getting Trump to open up, and

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Speaker 7: Or the reader.

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Speaker 6: And I think she did well.

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Speaker 1: did it once or twice. Now when Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: As the President said, Marjorie Trader Green or Marjorie Taylor Brown,

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Speaker 6: Basically, what he's saying is he's used that in truth

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Speaker 6: you get in on the breath and redirect the weave,

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Speaker 6: it is a really good thing. You've done it very

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Speaker 6: give it a shot every once in a while too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you get in on the breath. I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard it put that way before. I'm going to stale that.

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Speaker 1: I'll give Brett Barett credit. Brett next subject.

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Speaker 3: You're at the.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy Center on Saturday night. I was babysitting, my son

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Speaker 1: Madison's barber took a picture with her. But I want

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Speaker 1: to know your assessment of the president As an MC.

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Speaker 1: It's a different skill set.

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Speaker 6: How do you do I thought he did well. Listen.

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Speaker 6: He only had a couple of live things to tee

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Speaker 1: back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Alex Gray is CEO

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Speaker 1: of Global American Global Strategies AGS and American Global Strategies

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Speaker 8: Well, Hugh, it has been publicly reported that we do

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Speaker 1: Right, now we have Steelers fans listening, Alex, can you

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Speaker 1: to invest in American defense innovation. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of that? What do you make of that Diamond initiative,

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Speaker 1: and whether or not the United States Pentagon ought to

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Speaker 8: Well, I think the private sector remains America's competitive advantage, right.

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Speaker 8: That is why I'm confident that we're ultimately going to

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Speaker 8: have a place, particularly where there are market failures in

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Speaker 8: their areas and rare earths. Is the obvious example where

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Speaker 8: we can't get private capital to make the commitment for

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Speaker 8: various reasons. Maybe it's not renunerative, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 8: But as a general matter, the private sector is the

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Speaker 8: best engine for allocating capital and for being innovative and

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Speaker 8: for bringing technology to the public. And if Jamie Diamond

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Speaker 8: it's great. Where the Pentagon can be leading and where

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Speaker 8: the US government can help is to work collaboratively with

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Speaker 8: sense of pointing out where are their gaps, Where are

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Speaker 8: there areas that we need more private dollars directed to,

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Speaker 8: rather than just taking the Defense Production Act and putting

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Speaker 8: federal dollars into an area that we need more innovation.

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Speaker 8: If we could have a collaborative conversation between someone like

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Speaker 8: our Deputy Secretary of War Steve Feinberg and Jamie Diamond,

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Speaker 8: and mister Feinberg could say, you know, we really need

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Speaker 8: more private capital in shipbuilding or in critical minerals, or

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Speaker 8: in semiconductors, whatever it might be, and JP Morgan could

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Speaker 8: go out and facilitate that. That's the kind of collaboration

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Speaker 8: that's going to beat the Chinese in the long run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last question I had Admiral Montgomery on yesterday. He

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Speaker 1: said yesterday, Ukrainian innovation is mind blowing that they are

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Speaker 1: taking things from the factory line to the front line

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Speaker 1: without even testing them on the range, and they're working.

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Speaker 1: Do we have people over there watching that, the people

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Speaker 1: you represent, watch what Ukraine is doing in their innovative

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Speaker 1: attempts to hold back the Russians one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: The best American companies are working whether it's drone makers,

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Speaker 8: whether it's whether it's the tech companies, whether it's traditional

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Speaker 8: defense companies, even everyone that I would say almost everyone

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Speaker 8: we work with is looking at Ukraine as the laboratory

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Speaker 8: of the future of warfare and frankly the laboratory for

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Speaker 8: the future of how you integrate technology in real time,

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Speaker 8: both economically and militarily to change the situation on the ground.

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Speaker 8: And I think when we look back, you know, Hugh,

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Speaker 8: after every war, you know, the US Army, depending on

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Speaker 8: they do a kind of you know, the history of

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Speaker 8: the Iraq War, the history of the war in Vietnam.

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Speaker 8: And I think one of the things that we're going

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Speaker 8: to look back twenty years from now when that's written,

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Speaker 8: is we're going to look and say, this was the

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Speaker 8: laboratory of innovation that's going to tell us how warfare

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Speaker 8: is going to look in this century.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's great. CEO of American Global Strategy Farmer a

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Speaker 1: chief is dab At a National Security Council. Thanks period

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Speaker 1: of time today, Alex me Christmas too. You don't go anywhere, America.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back on the Huge US Show.

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Speaker 3: It's the most one.

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Speaker 1: Time Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I think fire

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Speaker 1: in New York, senior correspondent for the Washington Examiner and

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Speaker 1: Fox News contributor will agree with me. It's too dang

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Speaker 1: cold in the Beltway. Do you agree with the Byron

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 7: I absolutely agree with you, and I'm shocked that you

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Speaker 7: haven't know anything about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I went outside today and got my two miles in.

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Speaker 1: That's like half my normal minimum. But is it too

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Speaker 1: dang cold? Byron? Before I turned to Susie Wilds, I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about I make a list. I

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Speaker 1: keep a list of disagreements with Donald Trump. I don't

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Speaker 1: like selling in videos old chips to China. I don't

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Speaker 1: like selling them anything. What do you think is going

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Speaker 1: on here? Is it just Jensen being persuasive or do

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Speaker 1: you buy the argument that it keeps them from developing

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Speaker 1: indigenous chip industry.

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Speaker 7: Well, the persuasion part, I think is part of it.

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Speaker 6: I listened to your.

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Speaker 7: Discussion of it earlier in the last hour or so.

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Speaker 7: You know we're talking about the world's biggest thief of

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Speaker 7: intellectual property anyway, right, and we do know that China

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Speaker 7: has kind of a pedal to the Metal AI initiative

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Speaker 7: of the kind that you can't really do in a democracy,

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Speaker 7: and that they're you know, working on creating these chips

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Speaker 7: on their own. But why why are we giving them

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Speaker 7: any sort of leg up at all? I would have

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Speaker 7: been half here. I think if the older policy had

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Speaker 7: been continued to see reasons that we should have to

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Speaker 7: do this in video seems to be doing fine. So

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's a great idea. But on the

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Speaker 7: other hand, I'm not sure it's going to make a

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Speaker 7: huge difference in the long run.

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Speaker 1: That's what the argument about the indigenous chip possibility comes up.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know enough to have a really informed opinion.

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Speaker 1: I just I think I wouldn't have done it. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me play for the audience and then have you

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Speaker 1: comment on. Susie Wilds on the Mom podcast today, cut

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Speaker 1: number twenty five, the chief of staff, in one of

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Speaker 1: her rare interviews, he's going to have a fun next year,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to put him on the campaign trail too.

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Speaker 3: Typically, just a little bit of campaign speak, if I may.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Typically, you in the midterms, it's not about who's

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Speaker 5: sitting at the White House.

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Speaker 2: It's you localize the election, you and you keep the

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Speaker 2: federal officials.

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Speaker 3: Out of it.

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Speaker 2: We're actually going to turn that on its head good

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Speaker 2: and put them on the ballot because so many of

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Speaker 2: those low propensity voters are Trump voters.

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Speaker 1: Yes, fair, all right, So that's the key prime of

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Speaker 1: her comment. What do you make of that, Miron And

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Speaker 1: what do you make of her coming out and given

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Speaker 1: an interview to make that statement.

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Speaker 7: Well, listen, I think you know as we speak, Trump

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Speaker 7: is a now or two away from speaking in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 7: his first sort of campaign trip where he's going to

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Speaker 7: talk about affordability. He'll be making others in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's clear they it's December, we're

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Speaker 7: less than a year away from the midterms. I think

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Speaker 7: they've gotten into midterm mode now. And you know, I

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Speaker 7: I think the thing that will explain everything is I'm

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Speaker 7: just going to pick out one poll. There's been a

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Speaker 7: lot of poles that do this, but the new Harvard

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Speaker 7: Harris poll says just very easy question, what would you

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Speaker 7: say are the most important issues facing the country today?

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Speaker 7: Open ended question. You can name more than one issue

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Speaker 7: if you want to top issue, of course, affordability, inflation,

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Speaker 7: price increases the number two issue, The economy and jobs

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Speaker 7: in general. Put them together, they're far of us anything else.

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Speaker 7: So an election is less than a year away. And

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Speaker 7: I do think some significant number of Americans, including some

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Speaker 7: Trump supporters, believe that he didn't pay enough attention to

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Speaker 7: the affordability the inflation issue in his first ten months

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Speaker 7: in office. So I think this is a little bit

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Speaker 7: of playing catchup and then pressing the president's natural advantage

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Speaker 7: next year.

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Speaker 1: Now. Friday last on a special report on the Panel,

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Speaker 1: and the question came up about affordability, and I made

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Speaker 1: the comment, I hope affordability is the issue because energy

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Speaker 1: drives affordability, and energy costs are coming down because production

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Speaker 1: inputs as they drop, the output drops as well. Do

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Speaker 1: you think I'm right about that? I think energy is

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Speaker 1: the whole game. We just have to produce more and

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Speaker 1: more and more and more and more energy.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying whether you're right or not, but you

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Speaker 7: are totally in line with Donald Trump. Trump's economic policy

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Speaker 7: is like so simple, cut taxes, cut regulation, and make

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Speaker 7: energy cheaper, and specifically his anti inflation program. If you

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Speaker 7: listen to it, it's only one thing, it's make energy cheaper. Now,

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Speaker 7: energy is one of those volatile things where the price

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Speaker 7: can actually go down, so you don't even have like

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Speaker 7: a reduction in the rate of increase in prices as

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Speaker 7: you see in many other commodities. You know, prices can

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Speaker 7: go down and that can change everything because everything that

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Speaker 7: we buy has been shipped from somewhere yep. And so

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Speaker 7: I think a president is right about that, and he

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Speaker 7: has a natural advantage of the Democrats who have wanted

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Speaker 7: to stifle the energy business for a generation now, and

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Speaker 7: I think if he succeeds in this, it will work.

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Speaker 1: Now, the state of New York is right now blocking

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Speaker 1: a pipeline that would originate in Pennsylvania and terminate in

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Speaker 1: the New England states. But they need New York's consent

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Speaker 1: to build it. In New York won't allow them to.

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Speaker 1: It would drive down the cost of natural gas in

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Speaker 1: New England dramatically. Now that's not red state land except

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Speaker 1: for maybe New Hampshire. You think that the Congress ought

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Speaker 1: a bigfoot New York on this and get the pipeline built.

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Speaker 7: What would be involved in Congress doing that?

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Speaker 1: Now? They just have to put a writer saying notwithstanding

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Speaker 1: in it a law at the state, local, and federal level.

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Speaker 1: This pipeline originating in the Marcella shale field shall be

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Speaker 1: built within one year.

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Speaker 9: It's pretty simple, writer, Yeah, it seems like a better

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Speaker 9: idea to just try to continue to political pressure on

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Speaker 9: New York and basically set the states against each other

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Speaker 9: and pressure in New York on this.

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Speaker 1: All right, then, to let me ask you about my

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Speaker 1: favorite news of the day. Jasmine Crockett has cleared the

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Speaker 1: field in Texas. Now it's a layup for John Cornyn.

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Speaker 1: I think she could actually beat Ken Paxton. What do

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 7: Well, it was pretty amazing. I mean, everybody else jumps

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Speaker 7: out of the race, she jumps in. You know, she's

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Speaker 7: she's kind of an impressive figure in some way. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: she says lots of crazy stuff, but you have to

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Speaker 7: remember the House of Representatives four hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 7: districts all across the country. There can be very very

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Speaker 7: different districts, and she represents hers pretty well.

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Speaker 10: I guess.

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Speaker 7: So she can't win statewide, that's absolutely true. Will it

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Speaker 7: be an embarrassment?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I think she'll I think she'll get

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Speaker 7: a signific out of Democratic support in Texas. I think

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Speaker 7: she she will lose. Now, Taxton. I just think it's

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Speaker 7: going to be Cornyan, So.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Cornon's a layup and we can

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Speaker 1: stop worrying about it and just enjoy the race. Because

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Speaker 1: she does say remarkably media friendly things. I'll put it

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Speaker 1: that way. You'd agree with that.

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Speaker 7: If you're in the media, you love it. That is

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Speaker 7: what are your friends?

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Speaker 1: Jazzmine Crockett is the most media friendly person out there

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Speaker 1: other than the AFOC.

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Speaker 7: No your show.

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Speaker 1: She is open, open invitation. Congresswoman Crockett, it will be civil.

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Speaker 1: I would love to have you on early and often.

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Speaker 1: Come to the UU show Fire in New York. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on X at Fire in New York. I'll

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Speaker 1: be right back. Very cold beltwigh, Good Christmas season to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Rich Lowry. He is the editor in

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Speaker 1: chief of National Review. You can hear him in every

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Speaker 1: edition of the Editors. Rich. I'm afraid to look at

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Speaker 1: the news feed out of the Winter Meeting because I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure Kwan's going to end up being traded to

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Speaker 1: the Yankees for seven minor leaguers I've never heard of

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Speaker 1: in a bag of jelly beans. What have they done

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Speaker 1: anything yet? The Yankees at the winter meetings the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: Yankees have done nothing is so your fear has not

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Speaker 2: come true yet. I'd love to get Kwan, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: You are too young, perhaps to remember the days of

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Speaker 1: Chris Shamblers and Greg Nettles and everybody else will have

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Speaker 1: any promise being traded to the Yankees, right, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the glory days for me. I have

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Speaker 2: a signed Chris Chamblis supposedly game used Chris Chambers bat

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Speaker 2: in my basement. He is so the nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 2: seventy eight Yankees. That was when I was in my

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Speaker 2: baseball rooting prime. Right when you're nine or ten years old,

666
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Speaker 2: that's when you care most and it hurts most. And

667
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Speaker 2: those are just great teams and Chandlers and Nettles, great players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you realize you're an Indians fan. You may not

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Speaker 1: know it, but they were ours and you gave us

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Speaker 1: the Boogoloos Bomber Charlie Spikes. That's what I don't even

671
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Speaker 1: want to go. There are three issues I want to

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Speaker 1: talk with you about. But that's why Kwan if he

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Speaker 1: ends up going to New York, if we trade him,

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Speaker 1: I hope we don't. I hope we signed them. But

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Speaker 1: if the Guardians trade him, he's going to go to

676
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Speaker 1: New York because that's where every great Cleveland player goes

677
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Speaker 1: to play out their ring years. First, did you listen

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Speaker 1: to the oral arguments about independent agencies? And if so,

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Speaker 1: were you happy or sad after listening to them on Monday.

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Speaker 3: I didn't listen to them.

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Speaker 2: I followed our coverage and especially Dan McLaughlin's coverage at NR,

682
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Speaker 2: and sounds like Humphrey's executor is on a string and

683
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Speaker 2: likely to go over the cliff, which I think is

684
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Speaker 2: a very good thing. I just wonder, Ihugh, curious what

685
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Speaker 2: you think whether John Roberts pulls up a little bit

686
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Speaker 2: short with an eye to what such a decision would

687
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Speaker 2: mean for FED independence. I don't think there is such

688
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Speaker 2: a thing as FED independence. I don't think Congress even

689
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Speaker 2: established it even understat you, and even if it did,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's constitutional. But the Court would be

691
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Speaker 2: hesitant to go there.

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Speaker 1: I think the Chief is a genius, and if there's

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Speaker 1: any way to save the FED, he will, But I

694
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Speaker 1: also don't think there's any way to save the FED if,

695
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Speaker 1: in fact the desiccated husk of Humphrey's executor is thrown overboard.

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Speaker 1: There can't be an independent agency on the ground you

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Speaker 1: think it's more important than the other ones because it's

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Speaker 1: not to the people involved in that agency.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's shocking this thing. It's been on the books

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Speaker 2: for more than seventy years. But hopefully these are the

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Speaker 2: last weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want everyone. Do you think Republicans understand

704
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: it works both ways? It's sort of like when Reid

705
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Speaker 1: broke the filibuster and McConnell warned them not to. We

706
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: will have to live with the lefties taken over overnight

707
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Speaker 1: at every agency when they come in, and the next

708
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Speaker 1: group of lefties, Jasmin Crockett will need a job. For example,

709
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Speaker 1: how would you like her to be on the Federal Reserve?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look is it The question is whether it's

711
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Speaker 2: constitutional or not, and it's not. So. The way the

712
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: system works, you elect the president, he runs the executive branch,

713
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Speaker 2: and there's no in between a little bit of legislative,

714
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Speaker 2: judicial and executive. So the Court this will will be

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Speaker 2: another high constitutional achievement for the Court if it pulls

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Speaker 2: this pulls us back.

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Speaker 1: I hope they do. Second issue. I am profoundly disinterested

718
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Speaker 1: in who owns Warner. I don't care who owns Warner.

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Speaker 1: But do you do you care about anti trust at all?

720
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Speaker 1: I generally don't. I think the modern marketplace corrects for

721
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Speaker 1: every kind of concentration. It moves much too quickly. We

722
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Speaker 1: don't have railroads anymore. Nvidia came out of nowhere over

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Speaker 1: four years ago. So I don't really care who owns Warner?

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Speaker 1: Do you? Rich Lowry?

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm with you if you were in total

726
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Speaker 2: agreement except for about the ultimate fate of Steve Stephen

727
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Speaker 2: Kwan so far on this on this show, No, I

728
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Speaker 2: don't care about Warner. I just don't follow Hollywood very much.

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Speaker 2: One two, I'm totally with you. Just the idea of

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Speaker 2: concentration in the media and also in tech today. As

731
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Speaker 2: soon as you concentrated someone, someone's done and run around

732
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Speaker 2: you and you're out of date.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're done. I think the.

734
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Speaker 2: Sense here it's the consumer interest that should matter. Biden

735
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Speaker 2: disastrously got away from that. Some of our populous friends

736
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Speaker 2: on the right also want to get it away from that.

737
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Speaker 2: But I think it's a mistake. This isn't a question

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Speaker 2: for the government. By the time it decides the landscape's

739
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Speaker 2: radically shifted.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's see if we go three for three. I

741
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Speaker 1: keep a list of policy matters with which I disagree

742
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Speaker 1: with President Trump and his administration. I had it one today.

743
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Speaker 1: I would not let Nvidia sell the last generation chips

744
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Speaker 1: to China. I was not persuaded by Jensen's argument in

745
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Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal that this prevents them from developing

746
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Speaker 1: an indigenous chip production facility greater than we've got. What

747
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Speaker 1: do you think.

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Speaker 2: I can't say I'm an expert on this, and I

749
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: haven't really planned my feet, but I tend to agree

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Speaker 2: with you.

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00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: They've made great progress the Chinese, but they indigenize everything,

753
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Speaker 2: and if they get the Navidia chips, they'll use them

754
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Speaker 2: to help themselves in digitize. Yes, they're interesting, shocking things,

755
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: you know. Rare Earth, so obviously is a huge story now, Hugh.

756
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: They've used it and leverage to get Trump to back

757
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Speaker 2: off the trade war a little bit, and it may

758
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Speaker 2: even affect the national security strategy, which is relatively mild

759
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Speaker 2: unshy and maybe with an eye of the fact that

760
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Speaker 2: they have a couple steps ahead us on rare Earth.

761
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Speaker 2: But they just stole that from us stole it lock

762
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Speaker 2: Stock and Beryl and did everything they could to stop

763
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Speaker 2: us from from recovering. So I don't trust them on chips.

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Speaker 2: I don't trust them on anything. I would tend not

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Speaker 2: to do this. So make it a provisional three for three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I think on the last one we're going

767
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Speaker 1: to agree. No, no, Steven Kwan is off. We're not

768
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Speaker 1: going to agree on sports. But I am thrilled the

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett is running for Senate, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: I think she would beat Ken Paxton. I'm thrilled because

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Speaker 1: it makes the argument for John corn and better. But

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Speaker 1: I also think she's got talent, she's got sparkle, she

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Speaker 1: attracts lunatic Democrats or raise a bunch of money. She'll

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Speaker 1: be brilliant on TV. What do you think about her candidacy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's she's entertaining, she has social media talents,

776
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Speaker 2: and she can light up a base. The base right,

777
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Speaker 2: These are important skills. Donald Trump wouldn't be President of

778
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Speaker 2: the United States twice if you didn't have those skills

779
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: had others on top of them. Zora Mundani wouldn't be

780
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Speaker 2: the incoming mayor of New York City if he didn't

781
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: have those skills. I just think she's a mismatch for Texas.

782
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Speaker 2: And look, people have complained about members of Congress being

783
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Speaker 2: ignorant or the reprehensible behavior literally since the beginning of

784
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Speaker 2: the republic, right, but she is so terrible and it's

785
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Speaker 2: an act. Right, she's pretending to be more reprehensible.

786
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Speaker 3: Than she is.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the statement she made which she's

788
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Speaker 2: just a bom activist just seven or eight years ago.

789
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Speaker 2: She has a totally reasonable, reasonably intelligent sounding person. But

790
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Speaker 2: what she's done is dumb herself down and become a

791
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: gutter politician. Because she knows itself, so I think she

792
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: thinks the inside. Even if she loses that, she's going

793
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Speaker 2: to be a bigger persona and and that matters more

794
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Speaker 2: than her.

795
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Speaker 3: More than anything else.

796
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Speaker 2: Since you either cash it in and politics is some

797
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: other way, or cash it in getting into our business. You.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't understand. You build a list when you

799
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: run an interesting and triggering, entertaining campaign. You build a

800
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: list of contributors. That list has value. You use it

801
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Speaker 1: for other endeavors. She might even run for president in

802
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: two years, But I do think this increases now I'm

803
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Speaker 1: a big John corn And fan to begin with, and

804
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: people know that I've endorsed John Corny and it's a

805
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: layup for him to win again. I don't like people

806
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: running against Republicans or layups, But there is a worry

807
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: on my part about Ken Paxon. Do you share it

808
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: that she might actually pull off an upset against him?

809
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Speaker 2: I think it'd be a close race. I can't see

810
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: her winning. I can't see your winning in Texas. I've

811
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: been surprised before, but I think she's really on the

812
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: Bedo or Wendy Davis track a better overperform at least

813
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: in the first race. I don't think Wendy Davis overperformed

814
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: at all. But they are national stars, right, and that's

815
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Speaker 2: what she's She's banking on a poisonous Republican primary and

816
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Speaker 2: Ken Paxson. It may be having a shot, but even

817
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Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out, she'll get a book deal,

818
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: she might get an ms now gig or whatever else

819
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Speaker 2: it is, and her starbleshine brighter.

820
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Speaker 3: And this is what she cares about most.

821
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Speaker 2: It's right, she's looking at her phone as we speak,

822
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Speaker 2: probably looking at her social media numbers.

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Speaker 1: And someone's going to retire from the view eventually, right,

824
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: someone's kind of retire from the view and Jasmine will

825
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: be right there. All right, very last question, which we

826
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Speaker 1: wrap up when you take a look. I can't say

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Speaker 1: the guy's name. Who's the new CBS anchor. I don't

828
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Speaker 1: know how to pronounce it.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch the CBS Morning Show. Does it matter?

831
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Speaker 1: Do you care?

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Speaker 2: You know, Megan Kelly's just tweeting about this. It matters

833
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: so much less than it used to. I've seen his

834
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Speaker 2: clips a little bit. He seems like a very charming,

835
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Speaker 2: talented guy on TV.

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Speaker 3: He's involved in this ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Controversy where we ask where they asked tiny easy coats

838
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Speaker 2: a couple of challenging questions and they weren't.

839
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Speaker 1: To fire him.

840
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: Oh that's him now? That all?

841
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that rain is over thanks to to Barry Weiss.

842
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 2: But just broadcast TV, it just doesn't. It doesn't play

843
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 2: the way the way it used to. So I just

844
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Speaker 2: I don't think it matters much.

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Speaker 1: Normal you can watch Bread, can't name the three? What's that? Normal?

846
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: People just watch Brett Bar. I watched Brett Bear. They

847
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: should It's just a normal TV show. So I just

848
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: don't I don't really care. So the big question, can

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Speaker 1: Barry wife save CBS News.

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Speaker 2: She'll make CBS better. I think it's great that she's there.

851
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: She's obviously really talented, huge success with the Free Press,

852
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Speaker 2: and I think she will turn the battleship somewhat. It's

853
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: just the battleship is aging, not not her fault, her doing,

854
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: and it's hard to see how the battleship is ever

855
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 2: going to be as seaworthy as it was when we

856
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Speaker 2: were coming up. The voice of God definitely is over right.

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Speaker 1: My believe. If she changes sixteen minutes, then she'll make

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Speaker 1: an impact, if she brings in some talent there. But

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00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: unless she does that, hard to change that battleship. Rich

860
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Speaker 1: Lowry hosting the editors that should be on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Must listen. If you ought to be a subscriber to

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Speaker 1: The National Review, give it away for Christmas. It's a

863
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: great Christmas present. You'll be smarter for it if people

864
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: will like you. Rich stair away from Stephen Kwan, I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett. I'll be right back. Consumer Cellular is where

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Speaker 1: Welcome back and merga I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined by lilas

890
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Speaker 1: as In James lilys in Lilacs dot substack dot com. James,

891
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: this is a lightning ron because the fetching misses. You

892
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: and I spent an hour a day st ago talking

893
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: about something our grandchildren will never understand. The Sunday comics.

894
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know that any they're gone, right, they're gone?

895
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Are they gone in Minnesota?

896
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: No? No, not at all. They're there, but they're just shrunk.

897
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 10: What used to be this big saddle blanket that you

898
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 10: had is now much more diminished than all. The panels

899
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 10: are diminished, and the artists know that and draw accordingly.

900
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 3: The era of the topper is gone.

901
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 10: You may remember when you were reading it there would

902
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 10: be sort of like two panels at the top that

903
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 10: kind of introduced the story. Yes, those were always obligatory,

904
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 10: those were always optional. But now most of the toppers

905
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 10: are gone. In the old days, when you'd have, for example,

906
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 10: like Oh Mister and Missus by Claire Briggs, the whole page,

907
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 10: the whole page would be one enormous comic, but at

908
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 10: the bottom, there'd be just another little bonus comic itself.

909
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 3: When the whole page was one comic.

910
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 10: Guys like Frank King, who did Gasoline Alley, would create

911
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 10: these incredible, wonderful designs that spanned the entire page.

912
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 3: While still telling a story in serial fashion.

913
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm going to do something with you. I'm

914
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: going to give you the name of a comic, and

915
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me the virtue of reading

916
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: it weekly. Let's begin with the local boy at Charles

917
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Shot Paul Penuts. What was the virtue of reading Peanuts.

918
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 10: Getting a good lesson in what actually was a very

919
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 10: cleverly disguised case of chronic depression.

920
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: I mean, there's amusement to it.

921
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 10: There's the futility of human effort, as as described by

922
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 10: Charlie Brown constantly trying to kick away the football. There's

923
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 10: the pop psychology of Lucy behind her booth. There's the

924
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 10: there's Snoopy as a as a breakout character.

925
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: There's you know, Schroeder playing his pian.

926
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 10: There's all these little characters, but it all comes down

927
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 10: to Charlie Brown, who was chronically depressed, as you know,

928
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 10: in some sad ways, as mister Schultz was himself, great brown,

929
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 10: great groundbreaking strip, but I stopped reading it twenty years.

930
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: Before it stopped. Calvin and Hobbs, Galvin and Obbs.

931
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 10: I mean, it took you a while to realize that

932
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 10: he's referencing two great philosophers there in the title.

933
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: That probably went right over the heads of an awful

934
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: lot of people.

935
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 10: Calvin and Obbs was up there with Bloom County as

936
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 10: the two must reads. Bloom County was silly and smart

937
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 10: and fun. Calvin and Obbs was wildly imaginative and contains

938
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 10: some of the best art you will ever see on

939
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 10: the comic page, thank.

940
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: To Bill Watterson's mastery of the art.

941
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 10: The idea of a little you know, a kid with

942
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 10: his stuffed animal that comes to life. You know that

943
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 10: in himself wasn't particularly novel, but the way that he

944
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 10: explored philosophy and preposterousness and the family dynamics and all

945
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 10: the rest of it was one of a kind.

946
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: Brilliantly written and wonderfully drawn.

947
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: Crazy Cat and Garfield at the same time.

948
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 10: Well, crazy Cat is you know, you can't say them

949
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 10: at the same time, because he exhibits have a two

950
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 10: entirely different worlds.

951
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: Garfield is just Garfield is just product.

952
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 10: Is just product pumped out by Jim Davis, or maybe not,

953
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 10: maybe somebod who's been drawing the strip, you know for

954
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 10: ten twenty years, certainly inching it. And it's about a

955
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 10: fat cat who likes lasagna and hates Monday.

956
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: That's any slapper. He can't wait to read that front

957
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: of the thirty years.

958
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 10: The unrequited love, well, no crazy Cat was the unrequited

959
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 10: love between the title character and Nignats the mouse. There

960
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 10: were bricks that were thrown, there were surrealistic lands gapes.

961
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 10: It existed in this strange little twilight of American ingenuity

962
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 10: that you would only find on comics pages. And the

963
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 10: fact that it was so bizarre and so surreal and

964
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 10: so you know, silent comedy slapstick week after week, and

965
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 10: that it existed when it did testifies to the breath

966
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 10: and range of the comics and what the art could

967
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 10: provide back in the old days one hundred years ago.

968
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 10: Marmaduke Marba Duke's Yeah, he's a big dog. He slobbers,

969
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 10: he gets into things, he knocks stuff over. We love that, Marmaduke,

970
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 10: don't we Just yeah? Never were better dog comics. I

971
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 10: think The Far Side one of a kind, brilliant, surreal

972
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 10: and everybody remembers the strip.

973
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: Everybody can tell you about the kid at the gift

974
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: at school who's pushing the door that says pull.

975
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 10: Everybody can tell you how they didn't quite get the

976
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 10: cow Tools cartoon.

977
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: Everybody can get you know.

978
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 10: It was a bit of absurdity with a really dark

979
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 10: note to it that was never malicious or cruel, but

980
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 10: was just dark and twisted a sensibility the likes of

981
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 10: which we haven't seen since. They replaced it with something

982
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 10: called Close to Home. Lot of papers just slaughtered in

983
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 10: Close to Home into the fire side slot, and Close

984
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 10: to Home is simply one of the worst cartoons has

985
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 10: ever been put in the newspaper, and there's no comparison.

986
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 10: I think they put it in just to remind us

987
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 10: how good The Far Side.

988
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: Was one of my personal favorites that not many people like,

989
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: Andy Capp.

990
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 10: Andicapp And again it takes you a while before he realized,

991
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 10: oh that's a pun on handicap what it is.

992
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: It's about a punch. It's about a guy with no job, living.

993
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 10: On the dole and perhaps his wife Flow who's a

994
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 10: chronic alcoholic and waste all of their money on gambling.

995
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 10: That's basically it. He's a drunk and he gambles. But

996
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 10: he's always looking at the camera as to say, isn't

997
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 10: what a marvelous little lovable rogue, AMI, aren't.

998
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: I I think he's been softened over the years.

999
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 10: But the number of times that he staggered home in

1000
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 10: eburator having lost a packet on the horses or the

1001
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 10: football team, and then gets met by flow arms crossed

1002
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 10: in the traditional fashion, perhaps carrying a rolling pin again,

1003
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 10: the same thing, twenty thirty years, and you read it

1004
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 10: because you've been reading.

1005
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 3: It for twenty thirty years.

1006
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 10: The Phantom, well, the Phantom goes back to the old cereals,

1007
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 10: of which there were many Brook Bradford, the Phantom, Secret

1008
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 10: Agent x nine. They were all of these serials that

1009
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 10: appeared in the strips, and it took forever to tell

1010
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 10: the story.

1011
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you think Mark Trail moves slowly, these guys

1012
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: moved slowly.

1013
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 10: Superheroes were often put into daily strips, but the best

1014
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 10: of them all was a guy called the Spirit who

1015
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 10: had no powers. He simply was a good crime fighter

1016
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 10: and he came out on Sundays He was syndicated and

1017
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 10: drawn by one of the most brilliant artists of the medium,

1018
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 10: Will Eisner. As a matter of fact, if you really

1019
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 10: do a good job at cartooning these days, you win

1020
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 10: the Eisner Award.

1021
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 3: So the Phantom was for people who couldn't you know,

1022
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 3: who liked the Spirit.

1023
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 10: But you know, if the Spirit had been daily, it

1024
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 10: wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been the same. It

1025
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 10: was seeing all eight pages in color and telling the

1026
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 10: story that was great. The Phantom was one of those

1027
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 10: strips where somebody starts to throw a punch on Monday

1028
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 10: and connects on Thursday.

1029
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: All right, three more and two minutes.

1030
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: Nancy, Well, Nancy then Nancy.

1031
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 10: Now Nancy was originally a strip called Fritzy, and Fritzy

1032
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 10: was her aunt, And eventually Nancy came along and was

1033
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 10: sarcastic and cutting and weird and strange, and Nancy just

1034
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 10: took over the entire strip. Ernie Bushnellber was the artist

1035
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 10: for this one, and it was known for a couple

1036
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 10: of things. One slug over a little boyfriend and two

1037
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 10: there are always three rocks in the background. When he

1038
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 10: wanted to describe someplace outside, he'd show you or outside

1039
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 10: by just drawing three rocks. It was absurdist, it was funny,

1040
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 10: and it was great, and then it went away. But

1041
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 10: it's back now by somebody who was sort of reshaping

1042
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 10: it and keeping the same absurd ast flavor to it.

1043
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: It was a great strip. It was a great comic,

1044
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: and I'm.

1045
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Glad it's thirty seconds Boom County.

1046
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 10: Bloom County again. Started out brick Breath into a college paper.

1047
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 10: He took his college characters, moved them into the real world,

1048
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 10: invented a penguin and a cat that was intended to

1049
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 10: make us think of Garfields, you know, with this twitching

1050
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 10: in his ack, in all the rest of them.

1051
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: It was a warm comy.

1052
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: I've got four more, so you got to Can you

1053
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: stick around for the second segment? Of course, stick around

1054
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: because they're far more we need. I don't know how

1055
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: you know all this, but I'm glad you do. Someone

1056
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: needs to know all this. Don't go any or America.

1057
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm you ewitt LYLYX will be right back, James, Welcome back, America.

1058
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. James LILYX is back with me as

1059
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: in lilycs dot com or James LILYX dot subject, James.

1060
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: We were doing comics, so I want to finish off

1061
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: high and Lois.

1062
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 10: Oh, mort Yes, well what hy Lois started out? And

1063
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 10: what of many many suburban strips, there were a whole

1064
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 10: bunch that came up. The couple, the two point five children,

1065
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 10: the suburbs, the neighbor with the drinking problem, across the fence,

1066
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 10: to Thirsty and it's one of the ones. It's one

1067
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 10: of the few that actually made it made it over

1068
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 10: the finish line drug Morton Walker and I think his

1069
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 10: son does it now, mor Than Walker, Dick Brown.

1070
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: It was funny, it was great.

1071
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 10: I'm worried about whatever thyroid condition affects Tricksy the little kid,

1072
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 10: because about.

1073
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: Thirty seven years old now forty or so, and she

1074
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: still is a complete and total infant.

1075
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: But I'm leaving Drable out because he's a friend of mine.

1076
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: How about for Better or Worse?

1077
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I remember that was one of your

1078
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: favorite strips. That was the strip that began.

1079
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 10: I mean it began as an interesting little domestic story,

1080
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 10: and then it sort of began to serialize, and then

1081
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 10: it did something that I don't think I've ever seen

1082
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 10: a comic strip do.

1083
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 3: It killed a dog.

1084
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 10: If you kill a dog movie or on a television show,

1085
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 10: you have a problem.

1086
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: But Farley the dog was killed when it was wrong.

1087
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: Oh you're right, kids, I think from falling into the

1088
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: ice or something like that. And there was this great outpouring.

1089
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 10: And it showed you how much how people really felt

1090
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 10: an emotional appeal. Eventually she stopped doing the strip, just

1091
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 10: just grated it down, nuked and paved, and started doing

1092
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 10: it again as she had originally conceived, with a simple

1093
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 10: form of artwork.

1094
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: And it ran for many years and people continue to

1095
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: love it.

1096
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: Okay, one minute, I say the best for last. Brenda

1097
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: Starr Reporter.

1098
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: For Latch. I haven't read Brenda Starr and or whatever.

1099
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 3: It's one of those serialized.

1100
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 10: Ones that I didn't really put a lot of stock in.

1101
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 10: But there were a lot of popular female centered serials.

1102
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: There was one Apartment three.

1103
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 10: G Scarlett O'Neill Scarlett something VISI you know, she's an

1104
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 10: invisible woman. There was a you know, no three G. Yes,

1105
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 10: but not Mary Worth is of that. But that's more

1106
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 10: of the agony on soft sister stuff.

1107
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: So Brenda Starr you had to add on end.

1108
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 10: On something about which I know very little because her

1109
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 10: relationship to actual newspapering is as I about it, it seemed.

1110
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: To be tenuous at best.

1111
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: BC. Should I end on BC? That's easy.

1112
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1113
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 10: It's one of the few straight Christian scripts out there

1114
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 10: at its time which would slip in the message when

1115
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 10: it good. And Johnny Hart was an interesting guy and

1116
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 10: I liked it better than the Wizard of It, so

1117
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 10: there we may have.

1118
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: To continue the conversation. Actually, if you like your WL like,

1119
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: you should write a book about the strips Lilacs. I'm

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00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: giving LILX a book a week to write lilax dot com.

1121
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Adam, thank you, Harlie, Thank you, Dwayne touch

1122
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Speaker 1: All tomorrow on the next two you at show.