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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Friday,
Speaker 2: June twelfth. We're here at the y Reefi Studios. Blake
Speaker 2: is still on assignment, so we're holding it down here
Speaker 2: in Phoenix, Arizona. And there is much to discuss, namely,
Speaker 2: do we have a piece deal or not. So a
Speaker 2: lot has been going back and forth in the news
Speaker 2: media overseas, a lot of leaks coming out of the
Speaker 2: Middle East. President Trump is none too pleased. But let's
Speaker 2: get the basic facts about where we were supposed to
Speaker 2: be at, where we thought we were at as of yesterday.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and play cut twenty four.
Speaker 4: That has Iran committed to not pursuing an yplear weapon
Speaker 4: or will there be more negotiations on that downloo have
Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon?
Speaker 5: They've agreed to that there will be none, which is
Speaker 5: the whole reason, which is a big part of the reason.
Speaker 6: You can agree they.
Speaker 5: Will not only not have they will not purchase develop
Speaker 5: in any way, any shape, in any way, shape or
Speaker 5: form a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 7: They will not have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: All right, So that's the big get obviously, But then
Speaker 2: the second big get is the straight of horn Moose.
Speaker 2: So again, this deal has been going on and being
Speaker 2: negotiated for weeks now. I was able to participate in
Speaker 2: sort of a high level call with some members of
Speaker 2: the press a few weeks ago. I'm told there was
Speaker 2: another one this morning. I was not on it, but
Speaker 2: I'm getting updates as we go, calling my sources, and
Speaker 2: they said it was gonna take weeks. At that point,
Speaker 2: they basically said, you know, it's carrier pigeons that you
Speaker 2: got to get into this Supreme Leader because they got
Speaker 2: them hidden in a bunker somewhere, you know, no digital connection.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's look at twenty five here, this
Speaker 2: is another piece of it, the straight and the blockade,
Speaker 2: twenty five and the and when the steel is signed,
Speaker 2: is the United States going to immediately lift the blockade?
Speaker 5: Yes, that part of the deal. And oil prices dropping
Speaker 5: like a rock.
Speaker 2: So that's the piece there. Oil price is dropping like
Speaker 2: a rock. Okay, next piece, just so we get it
Speaker 2: all from the present, straight from the president's mouth is himself,
Speaker 2: twenty six just.
Speaker 5: Made a great settlement of the war with the ren
Speaker 5: and we're going to be uh, subject to finalization of documents.
Speaker 5: We should get done over the next few days, probably
Speaker 5: have his signing, maybe in Europe, and.
Speaker 2: It's a great thing, all right. So that was yesterday.
Speaker 2: Then over the middle of the night, there was leaks
Speaker 2: coming out of the Middle East talking about maybe cash
Speaker 2: being involved, talking about an immediate release of sanctions, easing
Speaker 2: of sanctions. Now the White House President Trump. Jadvans out
Speaker 2: in full force pushing back against that. President Trump calling
Speaker 2: these people and these leakers dishonorable, some of the negotiators dishonorable.
Speaker 2: Throw up this truth social that just came out. He said,
Speaker 2: the terms of that Iran leaked out to the fake
Speaker 2: news have nothing to do with the terms that were
Speaker 2: agreed to in writing. What they said, including their weak
Speaker 2: empathetic statement on having a deal, bears no relation to
Speaker 2: the truth. Very dishonorable people to deal with with them.
Speaker 2: There is no such thing as dealing in good faith. Amazing. Also,
Speaker 2: the total they're totally rebuffed drone attack last night against
Speaker 2: Indian ships leaving the hormone strait is totally unacceptable. They
Speaker 2: better get their act together and fast. Jd Vance continues on.
Speaker 2: He said, I'm seeing a lot of fake information about
Speaker 2: a potential deal to reopen the strait and end Iran's
Speaker 2: nuclear program. First, the Iranians are not receiving any cash,
Speaker 2: and that was clear a couple of weeks ago that
Speaker 2: was never going to be on the table. And no
Speaker 2: funds are being released for simply signing a deal or
Speaker 2: attending a meeting. The deal is structured to ensure that
Speaker 2: the US and its allies concerns are prioritized, and that
Speaker 2: if the Islamic Republic of Iran meets its obligations, then
Speaker 2: economic benefits will float to them and to the entire region.
Speaker 2: This deal has the potential to remake the region and
Speaker 2: lead to lasting peace. I've noticed a couple of bizarre
Speaker 2: things in the reporting over the last few hours. First,
Speaker 2: people who rightly said Donald Trump was a historic president
Speaker 2: a month ago now criticized he's criticizing a deal based
Speaker 2: on unconfirmed media reports. Second, people who say you can't
Speaker 2: trust a word said by the IRGC, who apparently believe
Speaker 2: anonymously sore social media posts. It's a very good point.
Speaker 2: The president is going to get us a good outcome
Speaker 2: one way or another, all right. So I was trying
Speaker 2: to get a readout of this call this morning, kind
Speaker 2: of given update from a very high place source within
Speaker 2: the Admin. There was a few that were apparently accurate.
Speaker 2: So this is a tweet from Fox News who apparently
Speaker 2: somebody from Fox was on this call, this briefing call
Speaker 2: this morning, says a White House official says iron has
Speaker 2: agreed to a ormance based deal that would require major
Speaker 2: concessions before receiving any sanctions relief. According to the official,
Speaker 2: Iran's nuclear material would be destroyed and removed, its nuclear
Speaker 2: program dismantled, and none of its money released until it
Speaker 2: fulfills its commitments. And that is a repeat beat. I
Speaker 2: can tell you that when I've called in asked for
Speaker 2: details updates on how this was progressing, that seems to
Speaker 2: be a repeat beat. That there will not release any
Speaker 2: of the money, meaning you know, the sanctions, easing of
Speaker 2: the sanctions. They're not going to get oil shipments out
Speaker 2: and money in until they fulfill its commitments. Okay. The
Speaker 2: official also said that straight of Hormoose would remain open
Speaker 2: and Iran would agree to stop funding terrorist groups. So
Speaker 2: you got nuclear the straight of her moves and stop
Speaker 2: funding terrorist groups. Okay, There's now there's another. There's another one.
Speaker 2: This one hear from Kaylee mcananney. I'm assuming she must
Speaker 2: have been on this briefing call. Do we have a
Speaker 2: deal yet? No, but we are very close. The official
Speaker 2: estimates of the deal seventy five percent. They're not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent yet. While this is tentative, we feel confident
Speaker 2: that we will be signing this in the next few days.
Speaker 2: We have agreed to the concept and the details, but
Speaker 2: the deal is not done until we sign it. What
Speaker 2: is in the deal, the highly enriched geranium will be destroyed.
Speaker 2: The deal accomplishes that, so very very clear. That was
Speaker 2: the president's main objective. You can go back and roll
Speaker 2: the tapes from ten twenty years ago. This is the
Speaker 2: main objective he was looking to get accomplished with these strikes.
Speaker 2: You can love it, you can hate it, but this
Speaker 2: was always the main objective. This deal gets is done.
Speaker 2: There is a long term number. Two. There's a long
Speaker 2: term commitment that Iran cannot procure a nuclear weapon. Three.
Speaker 2: This is a meaningful inspection process. I'm hearing that it's
Speaker 2: going to be international inspectors as well as US inspectors
Speaker 2: for Iran cannot fund terrorism as we work toward broader
Speaker 2: peace in the Middle East. That's a big, big piece here,
Speaker 2: or you're seeing in Lebanon, what you're seeing in with
Speaker 2: the houtis all this, these proxies that are sowing chaos
Speaker 2: and violence across the room. If you're gonna have a
Speaker 2: stable Middle East, you gotta deal with that too, all right,
Speaker 2: the horror moved straight will be open. Five assets are
Speaker 2: not immediately and Frozen Iron must meet its commitments first. Okay. Now,
Speaker 2: let me just say I know there is a certain
Speaker 2: contingent out there, the hardliners, the warhawks, that want to
Speaker 2: see a full regime change. Okay, if you want, if
Speaker 2: you want to do that, you gotta put boots on
Speaker 2: the ground. Okay. President Trump has said publicly he doesn't
Speaker 2: think the country has the appetite of the patients for that.
Speaker 2: He's right. Just go talk to some of our turning
Speaker 2: points students. They'll tell you even Trump voters are are
Speaker 2: done with this. Okay. They want the deal. They want peace. Okay,
Speaker 2: So you get what you can get and you end this.
Speaker 2: Oil prices drop like a rock. You have peace, stability.
Speaker 2: They're not funding proxies at least, that's the deal. By
Speaker 2: the way, you can you can always put sanctions back
Speaker 2: on if they nig on any of these points. Main
Speaker 2: point is, though you get that nuclear you get an
Speaker 2: inspection regime that's actually got a backbone and action has
Speaker 2: the threat of force behind it. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2: We want peace. You gotta understand. And we say it
Speaker 2: again and again and again. Maybe you guys are annoyed
Speaker 2: to hearing it at this point, but you can always
Speaker 2: choose when to start a war, which you can't choose
Speaker 2: when to end it. So sometimes you're making lemonade out
Speaker 2: of lemons here. I'm not saying that's what's happened. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, Yeah, you want regime change, you want full
Speaker 2: you want a regime that's actually acting a good faith
Speaker 2: that was never gonna happen as long as the IRGC
Speaker 2: and the IETOL and all these people remain in place.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't have to be our job to get
Speaker 2: rid of them. Okay. What we want is an end
Speaker 2: in nuclear and we want stability in the region. This
Speaker 2: is a step by step process that nothing's getting released immediately.
Speaker 2: They gotta make good they gotta show good faith steps
Speaker 2: in the right direction. It's a home run if they
Speaker 2: can get it. Okay, let's pray for peace. That's the goal.
Speaker 2: Pray for peace. All right, we got to turn our
Speaker 2: attention to the Tulsi bombshell. Listen. I think Toulsi's great.
Speaker 2: I think she's a great patriot. Charlie was super close
Speaker 2: to her and she's you know, she's been wonderful to
Speaker 2: me as well, and got to really know her during
Speaker 2: the campaign. Her and her husband a great people. And
Speaker 2: here's what I will tell you, she's going out with
Speaker 2: a bang. You know. She unfortunately her husband did have
Speaker 2: a really severe acute form of cancer that they caught.
Speaker 2: Does seem like they caught it in time. So we're
Speaker 2: praying for them. We're continue to pray for them. But
Speaker 2: today she released a video on social media that was
Speaker 2: pretty shocking stuff. And I love this that she's not
Speaker 2: just you know, fading off into the sunset. She's like,
Speaker 2: I've been working on stuff and I'm going to get
Speaker 2: it out. I'm get I'm gonna get this out. So
Speaker 2: here we go. It' stop twenty one.
Speaker 7: I'm releasing new evidence of long standing US government funding
Speaker 7: of more than one hundred and twenty bio labs in
Speaker 7: over thirty countries.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: These biolabs include labs in places like Ukraine, which could
Speaker 7: be at risk of compromise due to the ongoing Russia
Speaker 7: Ukraine War. In fact, the intelligence community had previously warned
Speaker 7: that a US funded biolab in Ukraine likely housed dangerous
Speaker 7: pathogens and remained vulnerable to long standing threats of Russian attack, seizure,
Speaker 7: or damage. Now, until now, evidence regarding the full existence
Speaker 7: and funding of these laboratories had been knowingly withheld from you,
Speaker 7: the American people. Many of these US government funded biolabs
Speaker 7: are currently or have previously engaged in research using hazardous
Speaker 7: and highly contagious pathogens and in some cases included dangerous
Speaker 7: gain of function research with very little visibility or oversight.
Speaker 2: Oh, gain of fauci. That's what we call it, gain
Speaker 2: of function. So we were told that this never happened.
Speaker 2: We were told it didn't happen in Wuhan. We were
Speaker 2: told these biolabs were a bunch of big conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: I remember covering this with Charlie when this story first
Speaker 2: broke in twenty twenty two and watching the social media
Speaker 2: posts and the clips get taken down because they were disinformation.
Speaker 2: Tulci says it's all true, and that some of these
Speaker 2: labs funded by the US taxpayer. Internationally were doing gain
Speaker 2: of function. Why is gain of function bad? Let's just
Speaker 2: remember for a second, this is how we got here.
Speaker 2: This is how we got the pandemic. All of the
Speaker 2: minds that got broke because of COVID, that was gain
Speaker 2: of function. FAUCI was funding it. Fauci was lying to
Speaker 2: us about it. That's why we say Fauci lied. People died,
Speaker 2: They told us this was not true. Big giant conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2: Tulsi continues twenty two.
Speaker 7: Now, President Trump clearly understands the serious threat dangerous gain
Speaker 7: of function research poses to the American people, and this
Speaker 7: is why he took decisive action over a year ago.
Speaker 7: On May twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, he signed an
Speaker 7: executive order to end at federal funding of gain of
Speaker 7: function research around the world world Here at ODI and I,
Speaker 7: I issued new guidance to the intelligence community directing increased
Speaker 7: collection on these laboratories and facilities overseas. And we're already
Speaker 7: seeing the results of this increased collection. We're learning new details,
Speaker 7: for example, on clinical trials that are underway at these
Speaker 7: facilities and that are raising significant ethical, financial, and security
Speaker 7: concerns regarding the supposed public health initiatives and US national security.
Speaker 2: Yep, and he's throw this up from the Guardian. You guys,
Speaker 2: this is this is too good. We're our teams pulling
Speaker 2: clips from this era to show just how weaponized this
Speaker 2: story had been used against US, how Ukrainian bioweapons lab
Speaker 2: myth went from QAnon fringe to Fox News. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: So maybe this is this why the fake news tried
Speaker 2: to paint Tulci Gabbart as a Russian agent? Is this why?
Speaker 2: Is this why they tried to push her up? She
Speaker 2: continues twenty three. This is important now.
Speaker 7: Despite the obvious potential for catastrophic global impact that research
Speaker 7: on dangerous pathogens and biolabs can have, politicians and so
Speaker 7: called health professionals like doctor Fauci, as well as entities
Speaker 7: within the Biden administration's National security team, lied repeatedly to
Speaker 7: the American people about the existence of US funded and
Speaker 7: supported biolabs. Not only did they lie, they threatened those
Speaker 7: who attempted to expose the truth. So this release today
Speaker 7: breaks new ground as the information surrounding the existence, history, locations,
Speaker 7: and funding of these US funded biolabs has been intentionally
Speaker 7: covered up by very powerful people. Odie and I will
Speaker 7: continue working closely with partners across the US government to
Speaker 7: identify exactly where these labs are and what pathogens they can.
Speaker 2: She mentioned doctor fauci Us funding. It's been obscured from
Speaker 2: the American public. And this is interesting because show this
Speaker 2: New York Times clip from the from the headline from
Speaker 2: that era. Theory about US funded bioweapons labs in Ukraine
Speaker 2: is unfound, it says the New York Times. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: and I remember this clip. This. I'll never forget this
Speaker 2: clip because everybody was saying it was a conspiracy. There
Speaker 2: wasn't real, wasn't real. And then then Senator Marco Rubio
Speaker 2: asked Victoria Neulan, who's a real snake by the way,
Speaker 2: about it? And everybody was like, whoa, it is real.
Speaker 8: Twenty eight Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 10: Ukraine has a biological research facilities, which in fact, we
Speaker 10: are now quite concerned Russian troops Russian forces may be
Speaker 10: seeking to gain of. So we are working with the
Speaker 10: Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research
Speaker 10: materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they.
Speaker 2: Approach Biden Pardons Fauci million the January sixth panel, a
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Speaker 2: I want to bring in our next guest, and that
Speaker 2: is doctor Paul Moreno from Hillsdale College, William and Bernice
Speaker 2: Grucock Chair in Constitutional History and the Professor of History,
Speaker 2: Doctor Marina Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshow. It's good to
Speaker 2: see you. I know you're traveling, so thanks for making
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks very much. Great to be on the show.
Speaker 2: So we have been having this ongoing conversation about this
Speaker 2: fallout from the Austin Metcalf Carmelo Anthony trial, which is
Speaker 2: a total tragedy. A young man lost his life who
Speaker 2: shouldn't have lost his life. But I want you to
Speaker 2: hear some of the reactions from some of the folks
Speaker 2: in the around the country saying that this is some
Speaker 2: big injustice and it strikes at the very heart of
Speaker 2: our judicial system whether or not we can have a
Speaker 2: jury of our peers to find somebody's guilt or innocence.
Speaker 2: Top thirty four.
Speaker 6: Well, they're saying that they struck the three black jurors. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I have two attorneys coming up that are going to
Speaker 6: talk about that. But yeah, it was an all white jury.
Speaker 2: So that's not true. But it is the lie that
Speaker 2: keeps getting parroted again and again and again. This is
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony's father saying the same thing. Top thirty six.
Speaker 8: What stuck out to me number one was the all
Speaker 8: white jury.
Speaker 9: But I was trying to be you know, like, it's
Speaker 9: not that big of a deal.
Speaker 4: I mean, the truth is on our side.
Speaker 2: So that that's not true. It was actually a pretty
Speaker 2: diverse jury. There was three African Americans who made it
Speaker 2: to I guess some sort of final stage, but they
Speaker 2: all said that they would struggle to convict a young
Speaker 2: black man. And now there's tons of video clips going
Speaker 2: around the internet, Doctor Marino that's say, you know, don't
Speaker 2: do that in the future if you're black, just tell
Speaker 2: them you can be fair. And it strikes it a
Speaker 2: very deep question can we continue doing this, and what
Speaker 2: is the history of it, how important is it and
Speaker 2: where do we go next?
Speaker 3: Well, the jury is an essential institution. It's one of
Speaker 3: the most important ones in the Constitution. Although people don't
Speaker 3: usually look at it as a constitutional institution, but it
Speaker 3: really is, in some ways the most democratic institution in
Speaker 3: the Constitution. It was sort of considered as like the
Speaker 3: lower house of the judicial branch, where the judges were
Speaker 3: sort of an elite, aristocratic part of the judicial system.
Speaker 3: But the jury was a place where ordinary citizens in
Speaker 3: person could help administer.
Speaker 11: The justice system.
Speaker 3: And there's a long history of that in the West,
Speaker 3: going back to ancient Greece and Rome, and the English
Speaker 3: jury system goes back probably to the thirteenth century. During
Speaker 3: the ratification debate over the Constitution. When it came to
Speaker 3: Article three, the judicial branch, there was really more controversy
Speaker 3: about the jury and the way that the original Article
Speaker 3: three provided for a juries. And that's the reason why
Speaker 3: the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments of the Constitution really
Speaker 3: are all about the jury as an institution. So the
Speaker 3: decline of the jury in American history has really been astounding.
Speaker 3: I think something like two percent of criminal trials ever
Speaker 3: reach a jury today and like less than one percent
Speaker 3: of civil trials, So it really is almost a defunct
Speaker 3: institution in America.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a profound thing. You just said, why are
Speaker 2: we seeing the decline? And it is just because so
Speaker 2: many cases get, you know, plea deals and they find
Speaker 2: settlements outside of the actual trial.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The changes in the criminal justice system have led to
Speaker 3: just routine plea bargaining and also changes in the civil
Speaker 3: justice system which have made given lawyers a lot more
Speaker 3: opportunity to reach the settlement before we actually go to
Speaker 3: a jury. It's interesting that that's not there's a guarantee
Speaker 3: to a jury trial in criminal cases, in federal criminal
Speaker 3: cases in the original Constitution, and every state still has
Speaker 3: a criminal jury system, although they hardly hardly ever use
Speaker 3: them anymore. But civil trials, you're not entitled to a
Speaker 3: jury trial. The Seventh Amendment, which says that in all
Speaker 3: cases where more than twenty dollars is at stake, you're
Speaker 3: entitled to a jury, has never been enforced. The States
Speaker 3: can waive that if they want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so, I guess, like my question is
Speaker 2: is that a bad thing that more cases are getting
Speaker 2: plea deals and settlements are reached before reaching the trial phase.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Most people in the criminal defense part of the justice
Speaker 3: system think that it is that more people are being
Speaker 3: punished for things that they didn't.
Speaker 12: Do at all.
Speaker 3: That, especially if you can't afford a good lawyer, you're
Speaker 3: going to be taken advantage of by the system where
Speaker 3: you have just sort of, you know, very quick and
Speaker 3: summary justice because there are just so many cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I look at this doctor Marino, and
Speaker 2: I think they should have pled out the facts were
Speaker 2: such they were so stacked against this kid. I mean,
Speaker 2: he shouldn't have been carrying the knife in the first place.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have been sitting under the tent. He was
Speaker 2: asked fifteen times by some eyewitness accounts to leave. He
Speaker 2: wasn't ganged up on, he wasn't assaulted. He was ultimately
Speaker 2: I think a little shove is what I heard. It
Speaker 2: was a small push, and then instantly he was stabbed
Speaker 2: and his hand was already in the back. This this jury, though,
Speaker 2: was made up of apparently it had an Asian, Hispanic, Indian,
Speaker 2: or Middle Eastern individuals, three racial minorities among the twelve.
Speaker 2: More and with more diversity including alternates, so it was
Speaker 2: eight women, four men. Like I said, there was no
Speaker 2: black jurors on the panel. Prosecutors struck all qualified black
Speaker 2: prospective jurors, citing reasons like them being educators or other
Speaker 2: non racial factors. I can't, I e. I can't put
Speaker 2: somebody that's black in jail. Would feel bad about that.
Speaker 2: And the question, I think the heart of the question
Speaker 2: is what are the underlying elements necessary to have a
Speaker 2: jury system that will actually, you know, be fair, that
Speaker 2: will apply the law and not tribalism. And that is
Speaker 2: a question I think a lot of us are asking,
Speaker 2: is in our current demographic makeup and our current with
Speaker 2: all the you know, the racial strife, the racial animus,
Speaker 2: with all the immigration that we've had over the last
Speaker 2: forty fifty years, are we still able to do this
Speaker 2: in an impartial way?
Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the things that jury was meant
Speaker 3: to do is to be a way of enforcing sort
Speaker 3: of the norms and the values of the local community.
Speaker 3: And when you have communities that are so divided as
Speaker 3: Americans are today along racial and other lines, as you say,
Speaker 3: it becomes a lot more difficult to do that. Then
Speaker 3: jury trial has become a way of people reaching results
Speaker 3: based upon those racial or other sort of status. People
Speaker 3: are going to think now, I mean the last high
Speaker 3: profile case like this, people would think of the O. J.
Speaker 3: Simpson trial, the Rodney King trial. If you go back
Speaker 3: to the nineteen fifties, the shoe was on the other
Speaker 3: foot was the Emmett Till trial, where an all white
Speaker 3: jury very quickly acquitted some whites who obviously, I think
Speaker 3: after the fact, they confessed had lynched this young black man.
Speaker 3: And so this has been going on for a long
Speaker 3: time in American history. During the Reconstruction period, the unwillingness
Speaker 3: of blacks to serve as jurors because it wasn't regarded
Speaker 3: as a right of a civil right to serve on
Speaker 3: a jury was considered a political right like voting or
Speaker 3: holding office, because serving on a jury is really holding
Speaker 3: an office. So it wasn't until the fifteenth Amendment that
Speaker 3: came about. That Congress struggled with ways to make sure
Speaker 3: that blacks could be able to get justice from all
Speaker 3: white juries in the Southern States and a lot of
Speaker 3: northern states which didn't allow blacks to right to vote
Speaker 3: or serve on jury until the fifteenth Amendment.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating history. I mean, so what do you
Speaker 2: do then when you get to a point where people
Speaker 2: are saying, now openly lie to get on a jury,
Speaker 2: Lie and tell people that you can be fair when
Speaker 2: you can't, just to get on a jury so you
Speaker 2: can acquit, you know, a black defendant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Supreme it used to be that lawyers
Speaker 3: could strike jurors for any reason whatsoever. They were called
Speaker 3: peremptory challenges for exactly that reason. They were peremptory. In
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, I think the Supreme Court said you
Speaker 3: can't use race as the reason for striking a juror.
Speaker 3: And that's why in the selection in this case, they're saying, well,
Speaker 3: it wasn't for race, it was for other reasons, some
Speaker 3: of which were I mean, if these jurors, whose potential jurors,
Speaker 3: said that I can't be unbiased about this, I've got
Speaker 3: to give them credit for their honesty. Yeah, and for
Speaker 3: you know, if people can't really can't believe that a
Speaker 3: jury of a particular race can do justice when the
Speaker 3: defended is of another race. I don't know how why
Speaker 3: that sentiment extends and how often high profile cases like
Speaker 3: this would come up. But as I said before, it's
Speaker 3: not the first time in even recent history that we've
Speaker 3: had high profile racialized controversy like this.
Speaker 2: Well, I certainly hope that this does not become a
Speaker 2: massive trend, because you know, I hope this tension dies down.
Speaker 2: To me, this was egregious in many ways. The facts
Speaker 2: were completely stacked against him, and I think the I
Speaker 2: think the jury made the right decision. And I don't
Speaker 2: actually understand the controversy other than there's a lot of
Speaker 2: bad actors that are working in bad faith out there
Speaker 2: that want to sew discord, that want to just malign
Speaker 2: the system. In this instance, the system did what it
Speaker 2: was supposed to do. This kid was clearly guilty, eyewitness accounts,
Speaker 2: the evidence, Yeah, he should be held accountable, and people
Speaker 2: are upset about that. You know, I don't understand what
Speaker 2: they're upset about, other than that he's a black young man.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The other factor is this is Texas, and Texas is
Speaker 3: a death penalty state. And if the charge here is murder,
Speaker 3: then there are a lot of people who have compunctions
Speaker 3: about convicting people from murder, whereas and this is kind
Speaker 3: of a plea bargaining thing. If you reduce the charge
Speaker 3: to manslaughter with the prison term, more people might be
Speaker 3: comfortable with that. English juries until England changes criminal laws.
Speaker 3: In the nineteenth century, every felony was punishable by death,
Speaker 3: and so you had a lot of juries that said
Speaker 3: we're not gonna convict just because we don't think you
Speaker 3: deserve the death penalty for picking someone's pocket.
Speaker 2: I'm going to play a clip from Pete boot Edge
Speaker 2: edge and get your reaction to it. On the other side.
Speaker 13: Thirty three, we have to deal with a Supreme Court
Speaker 13: that is now a rogue Supreme Court. To see them
Speaker 13: eviscerate the Voting Rights Act is to see them reverse
Speaker 13: some of the most important progress this country ever made,
Speaker 13: wiping out black political representation. But also wiping out part
Speaker 13: of what actually is great within the complex American story.
Speaker 2: Okay, so now you see what's happening here. It's not
Speaker 2: just delegitimizing the juries. It's not just delegitimizing a verdict
Speaker 2: and a very clear case involving Carmelo Anthony and Austin Metcalf.
Speaker 2: Now we got to talk about the Supreme Court. We're
Speaker 2: gonna pack it, We're gonna we're gonna do everything we
Speaker 2: can to get our way politically and ideologically. What do
Speaker 2: you make of that clip from Pete boot.
Speaker 3: Edge Edge, Well, I've just read today that the Trump
Speaker 3: administration is really taking on the disparent impact standard of discrimination.
Speaker 3: That's really what all those voting rights controversies about. The
Speaker 3: idea that enforcing the fourteenth and the fifteenth Amendment is
Speaker 3: about racial proportionalism, that we assume there's a discrimination unless
Speaker 3: Blacks or whoever are represented in proportion to their percentage
Speaker 3: of the population in every field of human life. And
Speaker 3: the Reconstruction Amendments were never meant to do that. Congress
Speaker 3: overstepped its bounds, I think in Title seven of the
Speaker 3: Civil Rights Act and in the Voting Rights Act, and
Speaker 3: the Court went along with that in the nineteen sixties
Speaker 3: and seventies, and now the Roberts Court is beginning to,
Speaker 3: I think, contain some of these excessive interpretations of the
Speaker 3: reconstruction amendments. So the Court is, I think right now
Speaker 3: trying to undo some of the bad decisions that it
Speaker 3: made in the past, and I think they're completelytely right
Speaker 3: for them to do that.
Speaker 2: I love what you just said, doctor Marino, for a
Speaker 2: number of reasons. Namely, Charlie felt the same way. I mean,
Speaker 2: Charlie was very Charlie said it very bluntly that he
Speaker 2: thought that some of the Civil Rights Act was a mistake,
Speaker 2: and he took a bunch of incoming for it. It's
Speaker 2: not that he didn't, you know, support the intent, but
Speaker 2: what he was talking about was this excessive maybe language
Speaker 2: within the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act
Speaker 2: that they're correcting now. But talk about a little bit
Speaker 2: more detail, because I really want the audience to absorb
Speaker 2: this disparate impact. What is it and why has it
Speaker 2: been misinterpreted? And then you said Section seven of the
Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act unpacked that a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Civil Rights Act in nineteen sixty four
Speaker 3: is a long bill. Section two, almost nobody would have
Speaker 3: any argument with that was about segregation Jim Crow in
Speaker 3: places of public accommodation.
Speaker 2: Can I pause you right there? Can I pause you
Speaker 2: right there? This is what happens in this argument. If
Speaker 2: you criticize anything within the Civil Rights Act, they go, oh,
Speaker 2: what do you want segregation again? Do you want Jim Crow? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we're not talking about section two. That it's a big
Speaker 2: old bill. So let's be very specific. Continue. Sorry, I
Speaker 2: just had to make I just had to right exactly.
Speaker 3: And that was the most controversial part of the Civil
Speaker 3: Rights Act, and that's what most people thought the civil
Speaker 3: rights movement was all about. Title seven is about employment
Speaker 3: in private discrimination. It wasn't part of President Kennedy's original
Speaker 3: proposal for the Civil Rights Bill. It was put in
Speaker 3: by congressional liberals. And there you can make a constitutional
Speaker 3: argument that that really goes beyond Congress's power to regulate
Speaker 3: commerce among the states. But even if you accept that
Speaker 3: justification for Title seven, the idea that discrimination is proved
Speaker 3: on the basis of statistical disparity. This is the disparate
Speaker 3: impact standard. That is just you know, I think a
Speaker 3: bridge too far. Because when the Civil Rights Act was
Speaker 3: being debated, almost everybody said, discrimination is defined here as
Speaker 3: it was always understood, an intentional act treating somebody differently
Speaker 3: on the basis of their race. And now it has
Speaker 3: become not about individuals, not about treatment. It's become that
Speaker 3: equal group outcomes justice. Scalida referred to the interpretation of
Speaker 3: the Voting Rights Act as a racial entitlement to a
Speaker 3: certain proportion of elected officials.
Speaker 2: It's so important, and what you're saying, and what you
Speaker 2: just said is really important. I remember reading about this
Speaker 2: a lot within Christopher Caldwell's book Age of Entitlement, and
Speaker 2: he you know, so let's just lay the timeline out here.
Speaker 2: JFK gets assassinated November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, and
Speaker 2: he was working on a version of the Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 2: So he gets assassinated. The Civil Rights Act of nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty four was passed by Congress and signed into law
Speaker 2: on July second, nineteen sixty four, so about let's say
Speaker 2: seven months later, about seven months later it signed into law,
Speaker 2: and Lenny by Johnson, I mean, this was a huge
Speaker 2: initial effort for him to win black support to sort
Speaker 2: of you know, and he they pitched to the country
Speaker 2: a morning country, a devastated country, as a way to
Speaker 2: sort of fulfill JFK's memory and legacy. But it ballooned.
Speaker 2: And you made that point that it was liberals within
Speaker 2: the Congress, the progressives in the Congress, that packed it
Speaker 2: full of all these other things that part of his vision,
Speaker 2: namely Section seven with this proportionate representation, proportional proportional entitlement.
Speaker 2: These are these little history nuggets that get lost, but
Speaker 2: they're extra constitutional, they're they're very against what the foundations
Speaker 2: of the of American society. Uh So, so it's good
Speaker 2: that the Roberts Court is actually addressing these things. But
Speaker 2: obviously progressives are losing their minds about it. But it's
Speaker 2: so important that the that that our audience understands the
Speaker 2: history of how we got here and what it's going
Speaker 2: to take to correct a historic wrong.
Speaker 3: Yes, in fact, that goes back to because John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy was already reluctant about taking on the civil rights
Speaker 3: issue because Southern or Southern segregationists were sort of the
Speaker 3: core of the Democratic Party. They shared all the important
Speaker 3: committees in Congress. So Kennedy was like this FDR was
Speaker 3: like this before him, but Johnson was able to turn
Speaker 3: JFK into a sort of a marker for the civil
Speaker 3: Rights bill. He really played played it politically very definitely
Speaker 3: and was able to break the Senate filibuster. And back
Speaker 3: then this filibuster was a two thirds majority required to
Speaker 3: end debate. So you're right, the assassination of John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy really was the turning point, but that event had
Speaker 3: to be told in a certain way to sell the connection.
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Speaker 2: So we got Danny here, and we got Daisy here. Hey, deez,
Speaker 2: I just I'm I'm you know, I got nothing on all. Right,
Speaker 2: here we go. First question out of the gate is
Speaker 2: from Don Don Welcome to the Charlie Kirkshow please unmute
Speaker 2: yourself and welcome.
Speaker 12: Hi guys, thanks hip taking my call.
Speaker 2: Absolutely welcome.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm proud to I'm proud to be a member
Speaker 12: of Team Erica and I love you guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you, God blessing you you.
Speaker 12: The question I have is, uh is a couple of
Speaker 12: weeks ago, the High I was voted to tell Trump
Speaker 12: he couldn't go to war, no war, and I'm just wondering.
Speaker 12: I think I know what that really means, but wonder
Speaker 12: what one to hear your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I got a bunch of thoughts on it. Basically,
Speaker 2: to bring our audience up to speed though. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: vote happened June third, I.
Speaker 14: Believe, like a week ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's got very limited ability to
Speaker 2: impact Trump's ability to prosecute the war or not. It's
Speaker 2: it's mostly viewed as a symbolic gesture, a symbolic rebuke.
Speaker 2: It passed. I'm looking here two fifteen to two oh eight.
Speaker 2: Four Republicans Thomas Massey, Brian Fitzpatrick, Tom Barrett, and Warren
Speaker 2: Davidson joined the Democrats, and in its language, it sort
Speaker 2: of says, hey, you got to withdraw your American troops,
Speaker 2: your troops from hostilities with iron unless we declare a war. Okay.
Speaker 2: A lot of people think it's unconstitutional. The Senate has
Speaker 2: advanced a similar measure, really really narrow margins. It doesn't
Speaker 2: have the weight of law behind it. Essentially, it doesn't
Speaker 2: go to the President's desk to sign or to veto,
Speaker 2: so it's limited real effect on Trump's powers. But I
Speaker 2: would also add another point is that the individual most
Speaker 2: it seems consumed obsessed with getting peace and finding a
Speaker 2: resolution to the conflicts. It's the president himself. So I'm
Speaker 2: not sure what they were trying to sort of communicate here.
Speaker 2: I mean, the President has spent the last two days
Speaker 2: trying to get the peace deal with a very difficult
Speaker 2: negotiation over the finish line, so that we can open
Speaker 2: the straight we can remove the blockade, that we can
Speaker 2: get the nuclear dust, that we can ensure that Iran
Speaker 2: never has a nuclear weapon again. And again, I was
Speaker 2: not in favor of going it. I was not in favor.
Speaker 2: I could say, tell I'm blue in the face, and
Speaker 2: it's like some people will never hear me say that.
Speaker 2: I really wasn't. I don't want to run to have
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. But President Trump made the decision to
Speaker 2: do it. And so at that point you want him
Speaker 2: to and you want me to get what he what
Speaker 2: he went in for, and you don't want it to
Speaker 2: be in vain. Okay, So I would say, I don't
Speaker 2: know what they're trying to communicate. The President wants peace,
Speaker 2: the President's been working towards peace. He wants to get
Speaker 2: this peace deal done. Jd Vance is very behind him
Speaker 2: and is working tirelessly to get it done. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what the House and the Senate we're trying
Speaker 2: to get accomplished here, other than trying to hamstring the
Speaker 2: President in the middle of a high stakes negotiation.
Speaker 12: So yeah, it seems like a dumb thing to do
Speaker 12: to me as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I genuinely don't.
Speaker 14: These symbolic votes just seem like a waste of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, listen, can you can you pass the
Speaker 2: Save America Act? Here? Yeah? Really, yeah, that's what we want.
Speaker 2: I hope that answer your question. Don Thank you, God,
Speaker 2: bless you man. Thank you for being team Erica of
Speaker 2: course and team turning point, David, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: You're up next. Welcome and please unmute yourself.
Speaker 8: Hey, how are we doing today?
Speaker 2: Doing great? David? What's your question?
Speaker 8: My question is, and I'll make it a quick We're
Speaker 8: in California. We voted early because everybody said that we
Speaker 8: should vote early. So basically what happened is that it
Speaker 8: seems that the Democrats saw what they needed and started
Speaker 8: flying in ballots. What what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 8: Or in your opinion, what what is what should we
Speaker 8: do net for in December or in November?
Speaker 2: November? Yeah, so you know, you got to think about
Speaker 2: voting in states that have early voting, which is the
Speaker 2: vast majority of them. You gotta think of it like
Speaker 2: a basketball game or a sports competition. There's four quarters.
Speaker 2: You gotta win all four quarters. Okay, you gotta win
Speaker 2: early when it starts, you gotta win early in person,
Speaker 2: late early, then you gotta win in person. So you
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta kind of play it on all front.
Speaker 2: So you didn't do anything wrong by voting early by
Speaker 2: any means. Have you checked the status of your ballot?
Speaker 2: By the way, did you get any letters for you know,
Speaker 2: requesting your you know, to reado your signature or anything
Speaker 2: like that. Did you check it?
Speaker 9: I checked it.
Speaker 8: I kept checking it because I wanted to make sure
Speaker 8: there was this cheating going on, and it kept saying
Speaker 8: that mine was accepted and counted.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well good, So here's what I would say.
Speaker 15: But we did have but we did have people in
Speaker 15: our in our group that there they said the signatures
Speaker 15: what didn't match, So they flew their their.
Speaker 8: Votes out for for certain people.
Speaker 2: Did they did they get a chance to redo their
Speaker 2: signatures and get their votes counted?
Speaker 15: Uh afterwards?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's the process. Curing the ballots is a
Speaker 2: is a legal process. So what I would say is
Speaker 2: a couple of things. First of all, we are for
Speaker 2: in person voting day of paper ballots that I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what we want, right and we want the Save
Speaker 2: America Pass. So you have to prove your citizenship, you
Speaker 2: have to prove your identity, you have to show an ID.
Speaker 2: All of those things are very important until we get there,
Speaker 2: especially in places like California, especially for mayoral races and
Speaker 2: governor dominatorial races, which they could still mandate whatever rules
Speaker 2: they want because that's the dividing of the powers here
Speaker 2: in the United States. What the Save America Act will
Speaker 2: affect federal elections, right, so when you're voting for president
Speaker 2: and Congress and all that stuff. So there's gonna still
Speaker 2: be problems at the state level regardless of what we do.
Speaker 2: California does have a signature verification or a voter ID
Speaker 2: a resolution that's going to be on the ballot in
Speaker 2: November that does seem to be popular with the even
Speaker 2: the people of California. So we're gonna work to help
Speaker 2: get that passed. And I think that's gonna add some
Speaker 2: wind in the sales. But Charlie used to say this
Speaker 2: all the time, and Danny and Dais will remember this,
Speaker 2: that the movement is too big to fit into one day.
Speaker 2: So when we tell you vote early, what we're saying is,
Speaker 2: don't get on election day and realize you're sick or
Speaker 2: get a fly at tire or something, some emergency comes
Speaker 2: up and you don't get a chance to vote. Get
Speaker 2: the get the ballot in go. I what I had
Speaker 2: to do last election. I was still in California. I
Speaker 2: took my ballot into the voting center the day before
Speaker 2: and I dropped it in personal because I knew I
Speaker 2: was going to be busy all day with the election.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's what we were just talking about what day
Speaker 16: we typically liked vote. I agree that I like to
Speaker 16: go in person, day of civic duty, get the sticker.
Speaker 16: There's a great energy. But last year, I mean we
Speaker 16: were here yeah, literally for forty eight hours in a row.
Speaker 2: So twenty twenty four, yes, yes, four.
Speaker 16: To me, that was almost two years ago. Wow that
Speaker 16: a lot of us like actually filled out our ballots
Speaker 16: and then went to drop it off that day or
Speaker 16: went to vote early. But locally local elections, I like
Speaker 16: to vote day of.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I always vote day of.
Speaker 2: It's very similar simple for Danny.
Speaker 14: Well im Chicago too, So our elections are run very
Speaker 14: similar to LA Yeah, so I'm always worried about it,
Speaker 14: so I always voted in person.
Speaker 2: Listen, and you're not wrong for being suspicious. I mean,
Speaker 2: we have Bill a Sale on the show. You know,
Speaker 2: the first assistant US Attorney to the Central District of California,
Speaker 2: and he said that the fraud is just baked in.
Speaker 2: The fraud. It's structural fraud, and it needs to be
Speaker 2: dealt with. It needs to be litigated, it needs to
Speaker 2: be prosecuted. There's only so much he can do when
Speaker 2: the system is so screwed up. When you have mass
Speaker 2: mail in voting and lax ID or no ID, that's
Speaker 2: all they need. That's all they need to cheat. Next question,
Speaker 2: who do we got up next? Caleb? Caleb and Michelle Yep,
Speaker 2: welcome too. It's been too long. Where have you been?
Speaker 17: I said, We've just been busy in North Carolina. Uh,
Speaker 17: you know, it's it's it's having come from Minnesota. It
Speaker 17: is just a little bit surreal that we have a
Speaker 17: sports team here that's actually in the finals. So you
Speaker 17: know that's been consuming a lot of our time.
Speaker 2: Uh, fair enough.
Speaker 17: My question is Amy Klobuchar is announced that she's running
Speaker 17: for governor of Minnesota and she's announced her running mate
Speaker 17: as the former mayor of our hometown, Fergus Falls, Ben Shire,
Speaker 17: And I don't know if you guys have been paying attention.
Speaker 17: Maybe Blake is, but he's not here today. But we're
Speaker 17: wondering if you think that they picked Ben Schier because
Speaker 17: either he's buddy buddy with Tim Walls, or because Fergus
Speaker 17: Falls just made it on the map because they're the
Speaker 17: home of the American Idol runner up, Chris tung Seth.
Speaker 16: That I don't know about this specific story, but I
Speaker 16: would be more inclined to lean towards Option one because
Speaker 16: I think that American Idol is heavily on the decline.
Speaker 16: I don't know if you saw there was a winner
Speaker 16: from a couple of years ago that was the winner,
Speaker 16: not even the runner up, and went back to busking
Speaker 16: in the subway in New York City to pay rent.
Speaker 16: So I don't know, I would lean more towards Optional one.
Speaker 16: I don't know. You guys think the Tim Wall story
Speaker 16: sounds more believable.
Speaker 2: What do you think that?
Speaker 11: I mean?
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't think American Idol has any relevance.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe a small town Minnesota does. Listen, I
Speaker 2: think that's fine. I think that's a probably, like, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe that factored in minimally. I don't know, Kale, but
Speaker 2: you know, the reason they picked she picked ben Shire
Speaker 2: is because he's a white dude with five kids from
Speaker 2: rural Minnesota. So if you're gonna win Minnesota, Minnesota, as
Speaker 2: you know, the margins are actually pretty tight and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of bad pr if you're a Democrat out
Speaker 2: of Minnesota this year. So it's it's a very transparent
Speaker 2: play to appeal to rural white voters in Minnesota. So
Speaker 2: because he's from western Minnesota, you know, he's a he's
Speaker 2: a small town mayor, as you said. So that's that's
Speaker 2: what it's about. She's trying to get outside of the
Speaker 2: Minneapolis Saint Paul bubble and bring in the rest of
Speaker 2: the state.
Speaker 16: You can be progressive, but not too progressive. You still
Speaker 16: need look.
Speaker 2: At where normal white guy, we have five kids. How
Speaker 2: do you not hate that? Yeah?
Speaker 17: Yeah, well and definitely, I mean, yes, you're right, smalltown
Speaker 17: Minnesota American I was a big deal. I mean they
Speaker 17: had parades, they had they had all sorts of events
Speaker 17: because you know, hey, we gotta we have an uh,
Speaker 17: we have a hometown guy, you know, on the national stage.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 16: You probably both on all three with the third one
Speaker 16: that we offered as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, listen, it probably didn't hurt, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm reading his bio.
Speaker 14: Right, I'm surprised she didn't choose like a Somali though.
Speaker 2: No, they already got that vote on lockdown. You think
Speaker 2: the Somalis are at risk now with the Republicans going
Speaker 2: after him, trying to get the fraud and try to
Speaker 2: retort over there. They know who butters their bread. Okay,
Speaker 2: the Somalis are on lock and they vote in the
Speaker 2: block by the way, so they don't need to play
Speaker 2: to that. They need to play to the skeptical white
Speaker 2: rural voters who think they've been taken for a ride,
Speaker 2: which they have. Uh, you know in this guy he's
Speaker 2: got I mean, listen, Admittedly, they've they've been married a
Speaker 2: long time, they have five children. They own and operate
Speaker 2: two small businesses in downtown Fergus Falls Union Pizza and
Speaker 2: Brewing Company and Toast, which I think is another sort
Speaker 2: of restaurant. So he's been the mayor. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a good it's a good bio. It kind of rounds
Speaker 2: out her her her ticket. So whatever.
Speaker 16: Okay, but let's ask you guys the debate we were
Speaker 16: just having with this upcoming race. Are you thinking of
Speaker 16: voting early, dropping off your ballot.
Speaker 2: Day of Well, they're in North Carolina.
Speaker 11: For residents of North Carolina.
Speaker 16: Yeah never mind then yeah, yeah, well they haven't.
Speaker 14: They have a Senate race.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whatley versus what's his name? Cooper? We're gonna need
Speaker 2: all the Yeah, so yeah, vote early, vote often. I'm kidding, uh,
Speaker 2: but yeah, Watley's got a heck of an uphill battle.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard a ton of good news out of
Speaker 2: that race, unfortunately. And that's North Carolina. North Carolina is
Speaker 2: a funny red state in the sense that it has
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, I think it's like a
Speaker 2: Democrat governor, Democrat attorney general. Trump won it all three times,
Speaker 2: but it does. It's just a funny, funny state. New
Speaker 2: Hampshire's kind of like that where you get to Kentucky, Yeah,
Speaker 2: where you get kind of a mix. New Hampshire's the
Speaker 2: inverse though, where it's like, locally you get a bunch
Speaker 2: of red representation, federally you get blue. So Anyways, thank
Speaker 2: you Caleb and Michelle God bless you. Great to hear
Speaker 2: from you again. Who's up next, Ellie, Ellie, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: My question would be what would you say to someone
Speaker 9: who really wants to travel to Amfest this year but
Speaker 9: has never been to a turning point event before?
Speaker 2: Are you planning on? Are you thinking about it?
Speaker 9: I want to, but it's it would be expensive to
Speaker 9: travel from where I live, and so I'm just kind
Speaker 9: of like trying to feel everything out.
Speaker 2: What part of the country are you in? You can
Speaker 2: be vague.
Speaker 9: I'm from Illinois.
Speaker 2: Illinois. Oh, come on, there's a you know, I guess
Speaker 2: if you're in southern Illinois, it's tough. You'd have to
Speaker 2: like the Saint Louis or drive up to Chicago, but
Speaker 2: there's direct flights.
Speaker 16: Wait, how old are you, Ellie, I'm twenty two. Okay.
Speaker 16: I think that you should totally come because there there
Speaker 16: are so many young people that come and meet each other.
Speaker 16: There are lots of events so you can get to
Speaker 16: know people that are like minded.
Speaker 18: Social hours, yes, breakouts, there's it's really it's a great
Speaker 18: event for all ages, but I would say the young
Speaker 18: people that show up and support make friendships that last forever.
Speaker 16: There's so many cool experiences, Boots. You can visit and
Speaker 16: you know, we do podcasts there, and yeah, I think
Speaker 16: you would have a really great time. I yeah, am biased,
Speaker 16: but I have fun.
Speaker 2: It will blow your mind. There's no event really like
Speaker 2: it in the country. You walk in and it's kind
Speaker 2: of like visual overload and there's all the media row
Speaker 2: and people doing interviews and it's so much fun. And
Speaker 2: I'm not a guy that really actually likes events, but
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun, and we think you should come.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not really a good excuse besides the money,
Speaker 2: but we like, I don't know if I.
Speaker 16: Can be there having contractions at thirty nine weeks pregnant,
Speaker 16: you can come.
Speaker 2: That's a compelling point.
Speaker 16: Jeez, guilt tripper, We'll see you there, Ellie.
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Speaker 2: discussion helps us build something real. All right, who's next, Kyrie? Kyrie,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 4: Hey guys, Happy Friday. It's good to see you all
Speaker 4: and get to talk to you again. Yeah, real, real quick. Well,
Speaker 4: I have the opportunity, Daisy, I absolutely love your eyes.
Speaker 16: They're gorgeous and I think I'm glad. I'm glad you're
Speaker 16: on this show today, so I can tell you that
Speaker 16: that is so nice of you. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Well, I've always been fascinated with eyes, and the first
Speaker 4: time I think you were on with no dumb questions
Speaker 4: or something maybe and I was.
Speaker 16: Like, oh, Jasey's eyes are gorgeous. Anyway, thank you.
Speaker 4: My main question with the Carmel Anthony Austin Mattcalf thing
Speaker 4: this week, I mean, to me, it seems pretty pretty
Speaker 4: cut and dry. I work at a small shop in
Speaker 4: a small town. We have like six employees. One of
Speaker 4: them is black. I consider her a friend. We've always
Speaker 4: been on good terms. She's a Christian lady. She had
Speaker 4: not even heard about this story until Wednesday. One of
Speaker 4: my other coworkers was talking about it and she was like,
Speaker 4: oh my, what's this, and oh, well, this one boy
Speaker 4: stabbed this other boy and oh that's horrible. Well then
Speaker 4: when she found out that one of the boys was black,
Speaker 4: she immediately took his side, began making excuses for probably
Speaker 4: why he did it. The other boy was probably saying
Speaker 4: something racist to him. Some people don't even know they're racist,
Speaker 4: it's just the way they're raised. And she got she
Speaker 4: got kind of antagonistic, and she said, if she got
Speaker 4: to looking on her phone, she said, oh, there weren't
Speaker 4: even any black people on the jury that tried him.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know enough about the details to come
Speaker 4: back with facts. But I was I was so caught
Speaker 4: off guard I got. I mean, I would love to
Speaker 4: keep this lady as a friend.
Speaker 16: We work together.
Speaker 4: You know, I have been careful. I know she voted
Speaker 4: for Kamala Harris, but we've always you know, there's always
Speaker 4: been a good, a good relationship there at the shop.
Speaker 4: And I was just so so hurt, you know, I
Speaker 4: I want to I'm not great at remembering, remembering facts
Speaker 4: and talking points and coming back to people and thinking
Speaker 4: fast on my feet, but I really would like to
Speaker 4: know if you all have have some tips something I
Speaker 4: can say to this lady, because I I really I
Speaker 4: it breaks my heart when I see people online that
Speaker 4: you don't you know, don't know any better. But she's
Speaker 4: she's so smart and like I said, she's a Christian
Speaker 4: and so nice. It just seems so obvious. I mean, this.
Speaker 2: Boy, you chopping at the bit here.
Speaker 14: No, it's more so just like I remember Charlie always said,
Speaker 14: like intentions don't matter when committing a crime. Like just
Speaker 14: because you're poor doesn't mean you can go rob a bank.
Speaker 14: Just because someone may like anger you at a track
Speaker 14: meet doesn't mean that you then get to stab somebody.
Speaker 14: So I just ask her that and basically say, like,
Speaker 14: take race out of it, because that has nothing to
Speaker 14: do with it. Why does somebody Why are you siding
Speaker 14: with somebody that literally just murdered?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and why are we making this young man the victim.
Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf is the victim. He is dead. He got
Speaker 2: a life sentence here. Okay, you know, Carmelo, Anthony's probably
Speaker 2: gonna be out in parole. Let's say in ten years. Okay,
Speaker 2: you got thirty five year sentence. He's not gonna serve
Speaker 2: all that. So you do have to hold people accountable
Speaker 2: when they do bad things. Okay, this was a terrible,
Speaker 2: egregious thing that has wrecked that family, wrecked his twin brother.
Speaker 2: The other thing I would tell you is that you
Speaker 2: got to check out Sarah Fields. We had her on
Speaker 2: the show yesterday. Check out her Twitter x feed. She
Speaker 2: was in the courthouse during the trial. She heard all
Speaker 2: the witness testimony. Carmela was asked to leave upwards of
Speaker 2: fifteen times, according to witness accounts, asked politely and then aggressively. Probably,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that he deserved to die. That
Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf deserved to die. He eventually was told to leave.
Speaker 2: He wasn't under his own tent. I don't know why
Speaker 2: he was so intent on being under there. But then
Speaker 2: it was a slight shove instantly killed him, instantly stabbed
Speaker 2: him right through the heart.
Speaker 14: And you can also ask your friend just a simple
Speaker 14: question of why do you think it was right that
Speaker 14: Carmelo Anthy was carrying this knife around at this track
Speaker 14: mate and so easily willing to just pull it out
Speaker 14: and stab somebody right away?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He did, by the way, if he was just
Speaker 2: trying to get free from this really aggressive group, which
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like it was aggressive at all, why why
Speaker 2: wouldn't you just pull it out and say, don't mess
Speaker 2: with me? No, he pulled it out, and he kept saying,
Speaker 2: do you you touched me? And find out you touched me?
Speaker 2: And find out? And then he just literally, you know,
Speaker 2: shived him right in the heart, cut him so deep
Speaker 2: that it cut through the bone and cut his heart.
Speaker 2: He bled to death instantly in his brother's arms. Like
Speaker 2: this should have I mean, at the very worst, this
Speaker 2: should have been a little like fistfight at a high
Speaker 2: school fistfight which happens. Boys are gonna fight sometimes, but
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't pull out a knife instantly, you know,
Speaker 2: murder somebody.
Speaker 14: And there's a broader problem here, the fact that like
Speaker 14: the media and the Democrats are brainwashing black people in
Speaker 14: this country so badly to think that when yeah, a
Speaker 14: murder happens, you don't know the details, you side with
Speaker 14: obviously common sense. The person that murdered somebody's obviously in
Speaker 14: the wrong. But then you find out they're black, And
Speaker 14: because you're brainwashed so badly, you then think the black
Speaker 14: person has to be the victim, even though they literally
Speaker 14: were the murderer and killed a victim. Yeah, and so
Speaker 14: there's a broader problem here, and we see this with
Speaker 14: the bl but it's still even though BLM is calmed down,
Speaker 14: we still see this among black people. The damage really
Speaker 14: is already done, and it's already baked in the cake
Speaker 14: that they really the victim mentality is a real problem
Speaker 14: right now.
Speaker 16: Yeah, you will be you will be miserable if you
Speaker 16: are constantly a victim. And like you said, it's so
Speaker 16: obvious to read this story and hear about it and
Speaker 16: know what happened. But like you said, you do want
Speaker 16: to keep your friend, like you believe this person is
Speaker 16: well intentioned, and it is. It can be kind of
Speaker 16: ebrasive to go back to someone and be like, well, actually,
Speaker 16: here's what happened. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Speaker 16: We have all these facts. But as a friend, I
Speaker 16: would go back to her and be like, hey, have
Speaker 16: you heard this? What does this make you think? Is
Speaker 16: this right versus wrong? And just try to encourage your
Speaker 16: friend to step out of that victim mentality, because you
Speaker 16: don't want your friend to be miserable like that. You
Speaker 16: don't want your friend to always assume that just because
Speaker 16: someone's black, they are right in this situation. So I
Speaker 16: think it's worth having another one.
Speaker 2: Just because somebody's black, they're the victim. You know, there
Speaker 2: were there was a jury pool, so they got this
Speaker 2: just you know how this works. So the jury pool
Speaker 2: of five hundred and eighty nine people was narrowed down
Speaker 2: to twelve juror jurors and six alternates. No black jurors
Speaker 2: ended up on the final panel. That parts true, But
Speaker 2: apparently there was like three qualified that made it through
Speaker 2: all the other steps and they were rejected for reasons
Speaker 2: like they were educators, and that is apparently fair to do.
Speaker 2: And there was other black folks that were trying to
Speaker 2: get on the jury that said, I don't think I
Speaker 2: can I don't think I can condemn a young black man.
Speaker 2: I don't think I can find him guilty, And they
Speaker 2: were rightly dismissed because you can't have a jury if
Speaker 2: they're just going to vote along tribal lines. That's not
Speaker 2: what it's about. It's about you have to assess the
Speaker 2: facts and then make a determination of guilt or innocence
Speaker 2: based on the facts. That's what a jury does. And
Speaker 2: if you're not able to do that, then that's a problem.
Speaker 2: And there's just so much misinformation, by the way, going
Speaker 2: on around social media about he was self defense, that
Speaker 2: Austin metcap Basic impaled himself when you you know, came out. No,
Speaker 2: all of those facts are are complete misinformation, disinformation being
Speaker 2: spread around on the internet. I can tell you somebody
Speaker 2: who's dealt with a lot of this lately. It's wild.
Speaker 2: It just runs rampant, and people just you know, say
Speaker 2: fake things and lies. Yeah, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden people believe it. So I think I think today's
Speaker 2: these points sounds like this guy was a really sweet person.
Speaker 2: So let's assume the best. By the way, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of black people on social media that are saying
Speaker 2: really good things actually, and most of them tend to
Speaker 2: be Christians, and they're they're pushing back against this narrative.
Speaker 2: So so maybe find some of those clips and share
Speaker 2: them with your friend if it feels appropriate. But you
Speaker 2: are living proof that her victim mentality or this this
Speaker 2: instant instinct to assume guilt or that wrongdoing on the
Speaker 2: half on behalf of the jurors or the prosecution or
Speaker 2: the judge. You're living proof you you is this your store,
Speaker 2: by the way, that you own, or you're just another
Speaker 2: person that works there.
Speaker 4: No, I'm an employee. There's the boss and the bass daughter,
Speaker 4: and then like four others of us.
Speaker 2: Are they white? Yes, everybody listen. They hired her and
Speaker 2: they love her and they treat her well. There there's
Speaker 2: no there's no there's no issue there. You guys are
Speaker 2: the living embodiment that this racial strife and animosity doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: that that that that she doesn't need to feel instantly victimized.
Speaker 2: So I just say, you be the living proof that
Speaker 2: that we don't have to live this way, We don't
Speaker 2: have to be at each other all the time attacking
Speaker 2: each other just because of the color of their skin.
Speaker 2: So thank you for your question.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you guys.
Speaker 2: Is that is? Is that helpful? Hopefully? Hopefully that was good.
Speaker 4: I mean it reaffirmed some of what I was already thinking.
Speaker 4: I don't know that it's going to be really easy
Speaker 4: to get her in a place where the others aren't around,
Speaker 4: because I don't want her to feel like she's being
Speaker 4: ganged up on. The Others of us feel the same way,
Speaker 4: but she doesn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe maybe you don't need to do the
Speaker 2: conversation like tomorrow. Maybe it's a month from now, you know,
Speaker 2: when the tensions are less.
Speaker 16: And I think just ask good questions and your role
Speaker 16: as a friend is just to help her think through
Speaker 16: these things critically and just.
Speaker 2: Let her know that you're her friend. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: I want to know this. I want this question from Gina. Gina,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. What is your question?
Speaker 19: Well, I sort of thought your enthusiasm was telling, and
Speaker 19: we said I hope somebody asks about this, tell us,
Speaker 19: tell us about what happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, so here's what happened. So cafeteria workers there, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's the janitor, the janitors, all this stuff. So what
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is done. So when you're starting a company,
Speaker 2: cash flow is really tough, right, you gotta keep the
Speaker 2: money coming in. And so what he did for a
Speaker 2: long time now he's been offering sort of below markets.
Speaker 2: You get paid a little bit less to do jobs, right,
Speaker 2: and they have fully integrated their cafeteria so it's not
Speaker 2: like an out outside company. They these are actual SpaceX employees,
Speaker 2: like cafeteria cooks, janitors, all this stuff. And in exchange
Speaker 2: for taking a little bit less, they get stock options.
Speaker 2: They get this really kind of broad equity sharing model
Speaker 2: within SpaceX. And so all the cafeteria workers are basically
Speaker 2: anybody that took advantage of those stock options, which I'm
Speaker 2: sure is gonna be the vast majority of them, because
Speaker 2: you it was an obvious call. They're all millionaires now,
Speaker 2: which is amazing, So I mean a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Probably we're able to exercise these options. Look probably around
Speaker 2: like twenty to thirty bucks. And now the stock is
Speaker 2: trading a what like right now, it's like one seventy
Speaker 2: one seventy So even if they had a pretty small
Speaker 2: amount of stock, they just made a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And yeah, estimates having at about four four hundred current
Speaker 2: and former SpaceX employees will become millionaires from the IPO.
Speaker 2: And this group explicitly includes cafeteria workers and other hourly
Speaker 2: in support staff, so that is unusual, just to be clear,
Speaker 2: in the space normally these people don't get stock options.
Speaker 2: You give stock options to like you know, your your managers,
Speaker 2: your you know your contracts, when you when you do
Speaker 2: a contract with an actual salary employee, you get stock
Speaker 2: options a part of that that package. Nope, not in
Speaker 2: Elon's world. So I just think it's great because you know,
Speaker 2: everybody goes out, you know AOCT, the tax the rich,
Speaker 2: you know, too many billionaires. Elon's evil all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Well guess what, the way he runs his companies is
Speaker 2: brilliant because they works.
Speaker 14: Capitalism creates more wealth and socialism just takes people's wealth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and they have a problem with Elon's a
Speaker 2: builder and he makes things and I love it. So
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. So here's to you SpaceX cafeteria
Speaker 2: working millionaires. Good on you. That is the American dream,
Speaker 2: changing lives, changing lots of lives. Yeah, and the stocks
Speaker 2: just rip roaring. I mean, I don't know, might crash
Speaker 2: a bit or come back down to earth, which is
Speaker 2: a good SpaceX expression. But yes, I am. I love
Speaker 2: that story. What's our what's our next one? Kathy Rose,
Speaker 2: Kathy Rose, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm meet yourself.
Speaker 11: Thank you, Andrew, thank you for having me. And God
Speaker 11: bless you all.
Speaker 2: Oh, God bless you too.
Speaker 11: Thank you, Yes, thank you. My question is how can
Speaker 11: I talk with friends who are very, very politically disengaged,
Speaker 11: even though they're super conservative. I've grown up and been
Speaker 11: very blessed to be surrounded by a very close knit
Speaker 11: Christian community. We've all been at the same church since
Speaker 11: we were babies, worked at the same companies, everything. But
Speaker 11: I think kind of in part because of that, we
Speaker 11: are so insulated from everything that goes on outside that
Speaker 11: if I that, like, Nope, none of my friends would
Speaker 11: even know that transgender maybe even as a thing, except
Speaker 11: where we see these weird like blue haired, funny looking
Speaker 11: people in Olympia, Washington. None of my friends would ever
Speaker 11: consider anything like an abortion. But then over the last year,
Speaker 11: like ever since President Trump watched his twenty twenty four campaign.
Speaker 11: I don't even really remember why, but I started really
Speaker 11: getting into it, and then watching Charlie's videos, I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 11: this is really important, what is going on with our country?
Speaker 11: But when I talk with my friends about it, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 11: I don't really care about that at all, and so
Speaker 11: I just want to I'm like, hmm, how do I
Speaker 11: talk with them without just coming across like oh, this
Speaker 11: says Kathy Rose's spiel and actually really genuinely catch their attention.
Speaker 2: Well, you are, you're basically it sounds like you're dealing
Speaker 2: with low propensity voter problem, which is what we do
Speaker 2: over a turning point action, right, So our whole, our
Speaker 2: whole program is designed to get you and your friends
Speaker 2: out to vote because we know that you're ideologically aligned,
Speaker 2: that you believe all the same stuff, but for some
Speaker 2: reason you are disengaged. And by the way, there's I
Speaker 2: think about twenty five percent of evangelical voters in the
Speaker 2: country don't even vote. So it sounds like this is
Speaker 2: your friend group, which yep, it's not good because you know,
Speaker 2: especially you know they used to say this all the
Speaker 2: time in the Pulpits like, don't politicize my Christianity, Well,
Speaker 2: don't don't politicize my religious experience. Well guess what your
Speaker 2: politics is getting more religious? They're talking about it is
Speaker 2: the very foundation of God's design for male and female.
Speaker 2: So you you have to bring these things home. So
Speaker 2: what we do is we basically in a nice way,
Speaker 2: and I have to watch when these things get clipped
Speaker 2: in a nice way, harass your friends, because that's kind
Speaker 2: of what we do when we do chase the vote.
Speaker 2: It's like, here's a text, Hey have you got your
Speaker 2: ballot in? Hey have you filled it out? Can I
Speaker 2: come help you fill it out? Can I help come
Speaker 2: help help you drop it off? Can we do? And
Speaker 2: then we bring cookies and we do we do, you know,
Speaker 2: barbecues in the park, and you build up something called
Speaker 2: social guilt. It's actually a thing that they've studied where
Speaker 2: when it comes time to vote, they feel kind of
Speaker 2: obligated because you've been so devoted to getting them nicely,
Speaker 2: nicely again, very you want you want to be like
Speaker 2: kind of the mayor of when it comes to this,
Speaker 2: you've been nicely encouraging them nicely, reminding them nicely, and
Speaker 2: telling them about how important it is to get engaged
Speaker 2: in your civic process, and so when it comes time
Speaker 2: to vote, they feel an obligation to sort of make
Speaker 2: you happy and kind of make good on their end
Speaker 2: of the meal. So that's what I would say, chase
Speaker 2: the vote.
Speaker 16: We really happily have to get to the next question.
Speaker 16: But I do just want to say that goes back
Speaker 16: to the conversation we're having with Kyrie about so much
Speaker 16: being a good friend is asking them questions and forcing
Speaker 16: them to think about these things. Because when we all
Speaker 16: have common sense and think of right versus wrong, it's
Speaker 16: easy to think, oh, this is obviously right. Everyone must
Speaker 16: think this way. So you might need to get them
Speaker 16: more theologically engaged and understand what's happening by just asking
Speaker 16: them questions. Okay, we want to read mix Nick said.
Speaker 16: I had a very liberal family member in town asked
Speaker 16: me why I was still on the Trump train. I
Speaker 16: explained to her that I have my frustrations with the ADMIN,
Speaker 16: but I would still vote for him. But I warned
Speaker 16: her the off ramp for young guys like me is
Speaker 16: to the very far right, with Iran. How do we
Speaker 16: communicate to the admin that we need to wrap this
Speaker 16: up well, so keeping the young guns from veering into
Speaker 16: more anti Semitic, accelerationist wing, that's.
Speaker 2: A big question, Danny.
Speaker 14: Thankfully it is wrapping up. But another thing is just
Speaker 14: look at this morning with Telsey Gabbert, the winds and
Speaker 14: stuff that would have never happened under a liberal administration,
Speaker 14: and just you have to show them that stuff's actually
Speaker 14: getting done. Look at the closed border. I mean, the
Speaker 14: border is actually so good that they now just like,
Speaker 14: don't even talk about it. It doesn't matter, it's fine. So
Speaker 14: you really just need to keep showing people the wins
Speaker 14: that we have.
Speaker 2: And it could always be worse with Kamala Harris if
Speaker 2: she was our president. Can you imagine we would have
Speaker 2: lost the country. So, yeah, we lost thirteen service members,
Speaker 2: a tragedy. This is not a forever war, and if
Speaker 2: you get out of it when they don't have nukes,
Speaker 2: it's not the worst thing. Ever. You gotta keep them
Speaker 2: from diving into nihilism though. That's the key in this.
Speaker 2: You know, jew hatescapegoating. Stuff's at dead end.
Speaker 16: No black pilling, No black pilling.
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