WEBVTT - Jacob's Wrestles With...  Weekend Torah Teaching 

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>If you speak to secular people, they'll always challenge religious people, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>how can you be religious? Look at all this evil?

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<v Speaker 2>How can you believe in God? There are kids with cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're right. Those are legitimate questions which religious people

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<v Speaker 2>should struggle with you. But what if you turn it

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<v Speaker 2>around and say, Okay, I have to struggle with kids

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<v Speaker 2>with cancer, But do you have to struggle with kids

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<v Speaker 2>with no cancer?

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<v Speaker 3>You have to struggle with the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 3>a kids period.

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<v Speaker 1>That's coming up on Timeless Wisdom with Denis Prager. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>We are up to Genesis thirty two, isn't it huh?

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<v Speaker 3>Whizzing right along? That's correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen, there are fifty chapters in Genesis, and what's

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<v Speaker 2>been our rate about a chapter and a half a time?

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<v Speaker 2>About so there are after today, hopefully there are thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>There were sixteen chapters left at a chapter and a half,

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<v Speaker 2>that is twelve sessions now, so we will finish Genesis,

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<v Speaker 2>god willing this year and within the coming semesters.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dramatic. Now I will be I tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who will have gone through the entire Tora with me,

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<v Speaker 2>I will present a personal I tell you what, I

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<v Speaker 2>will take you to lunch. Okay, I will take anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who lasts through the end of Deuteronomy. Of course, I

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<v Speaker 2>may end up bringing your great grandchildren to lunch. You

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<v Speaker 2>may end up coming in a walker. Hey, I may

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<v Speaker 2>end up coming with a walker, you know. But yes, Jerusalem, Cairo,

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<v Speaker 2>where Shahem Bethel, right wherever it will be. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>a promise, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Chapter thirty two, All right, yeah, pretty good? Hello, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody's getting up early again. Here we go. Chapter thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Early in the morning, Laban kissed his sons and daughters

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<v Speaker 2>and bad them goodbye. Then lave On or Laban left

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<v Speaker 2>on his journey homeward. And we're done with lave On

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<v Speaker 2>here in this tremendous amount of problems that Jacob has had,

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<v Speaker 2>and God spares him.

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<v Speaker 3>And all the sheep.

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<v Speaker 2>And you recall all of that from last time. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, who are the sons of Laban whom he kissed.

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<v Speaker 2>We thought he only had daughters, right Ley and Rachel,

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<v Speaker 2>so it means sons in law. His son in law

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<v Speaker 2>is Jacob, so it's not sons in law's.

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<v Speaker 3>It refers to grandchildren as well. That's who it refers to.

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<v Speaker 2>Just want to keep you on your toes when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the stuffs. Verse two thirty two. Jacob went

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<v Speaker 2>on his way, and angels of God encountered him. When

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<v Speaker 2>he saw them, Jacob said, this is God's camp camp

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<v Speaker 2>and hebrews mahnette, and he named it mahanaim, which is

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<v Speaker 2>like plural of mahanette.

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<v Speaker 3>Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk a little today about angels of

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<v Speaker 2>God and what that means and who they are, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a real issue. Who are malachim In Hebrew, the

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<v Speaker 2>word is mauach Any of you Jews who have sung

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<v Speaker 2>a very famous song Shalom Alehem on Shabbai night shah

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<v Speaker 2>loo male then it's mala hey hashaha eight shallo malehm

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<v Speaker 2>peace unto you Malachy hashareh, the the angels of service

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<v Speaker 2>Malachy eleone, the angels of above. It's a very famous

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<v Speaker 2>melody that almost all of you who are Jewish, I

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<v Speaker 2>suspective heard at least once where you welcome in the

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<v Speaker 2>Sabbath angels.

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<v Speaker 3>The trouble is that angel.

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<v Speaker 2>Is an English word with very specific connotations. In Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>the word malach means something else, and it means more

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<v Speaker 2>so messenger.

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<v Speaker 3>It will become very relevant later when we come.

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<v Speaker 2>To one of the most famous portions in the Torah

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<v Speaker 2>of Jacob's wrestling.

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<v Speaker 3>And whom does he wrestle with? Will work on that,

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<v Speaker 3>But I just want you to be aware of the

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<v Speaker 3>term here, that this can be translated as messengers of

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<v Speaker 3>God just as much as it can angels, at least

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<v Speaker 3>even more so.

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<v Speaker 2>Verse four, Jacob sent messengers ahead to his brother Esau

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<v Speaker 2>in the land of say Ere, in the country the

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<v Speaker 2>country of edme where is this, those of you who

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<v Speaker 2>are looking, when you'll get the map, please look for

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<v Speaker 2>say here. It'll be down south today it would be Jordan,

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<v Speaker 2>southern or southwestern Jordan.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where he's living.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is also an ancient enemy of Israel, Adome.

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<v Speaker 2>So this meant a great deal to ancient Jews later

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<v Speaker 2>than the Bible. But to ancient Jews what it meant Adome.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a play on words here say, here is

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the place. In Hebrews sayar means hair.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're back to good old Esau again. Remember, you

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<v Speaker 2>can almost have forgotten him with all the travails of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years with Laban that Jacob had.

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<v Speaker 3>And here we have the.

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<v Speaker 2>Eddon also means read, so we have all the characteristics

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<v Speaker 2>of Esau mentioned in where he lived. That's the help

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<v Speaker 2>of knowing the Hebrew. There play a lot of plays

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<v Speaker 2>on words. So we're back with Esau. Esau has had

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years to nurse his grudge against his brother, and

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<v Speaker 2>his brother Jacob is well aware of the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>Esau does not have a picture of him hanging in

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<v Speaker 2>his home, probably and instructed them this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a go.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, here's a good example of what I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hebrew for messengers. You all have this as messengers

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Here's the problem of Hebrew and translation. As

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<v Speaker 2>little you can do about it, but I'm here to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Notice that the verse two it says that Jacob went

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<v Speaker 3>on his way in angels of God encountered him. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>the word for angels.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the exact same word as the word for messengers

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<v Speaker 2>in verse four, So you can either have U and

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob went on his way and messengers of God encountered him,

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<v Speaker 2>or you can have Jacob sent angels ahead to his brother. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously Jacob doesn't have angels working for him, at least

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<v Speaker 2>not in this sense. But you must understand therefore that

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<v Speaker 2>messenger of God is the better term than angel.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another good example of that. I may have mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>this to you, and that is profit. Prophet is a

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<v Speaker 2>bad term for the Hebrew Novi, you know the prophets

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<v Speaker 2>profit to any of you imply someone who tells the future.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what a prophet's task was. A prophet's task

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<v Speaker 2>was to be a spokesman for God. Nave means spokesman.

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<v Speaker 3>And if we had better translations, it would be better.

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<v Speaker 3>We would be more, we would have a more accurate

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<v Speaker 3>understanding of what's going on. If we spoke of.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremiah and Ezekiel and Hoseiah as as spokesman, you'd have

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<v Speaker 2>a much better idea of what they are than prophets.

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<v Speaker 2>And likewise, messengers, God has messengers. Angels too is too

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<v Speaker 2>disneylandish in a certain sense. So please note that the

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<v Speaker 2>same word in Hebrew from messenger and angel.

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<v Speaker 3>And here is just two sentences away.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Jacob sending messengers to Asov to Esau, his.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother in the land of Seherant.

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<v Speaker 2>He instructed them as follows, this is what you will

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<v Speaker 2>say to my lord Esau. Thus says you're a servant, Jacob.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this not cracking you up? You cannot get more

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<v Speaker 2>obsequious language if you tried, don't, for these are the

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<v Speaker 2>words you better use when you meet my brother, to

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<v Speaker 2>my lord Esau and your servant, Jacob. Now, I meant

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you something more.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to come back. Well, let me tell you

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<v Speaker 3>about lord and servant, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Used clearly to ingratiate himself with Esau. He is very

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<v Speaker 2>worried about what Asov is going to do to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Ramban Nachmanides, medieval Jewish commentator, says he treats

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<v Speaker 2>Esau as if Eso.

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<v Speaker 3>Were the oldest brother.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently from what the records that we have in

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<v Speaker 2>the old world, in the ancient world, that is how

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<v Speaker 2>younger siblings did defer to older siblings.

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<v Speaker 3>They would This was the language of the time. So

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<v Speaker 3>what is he doing now?

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<v Speaker 2>He is stating publicly for Esau's benefit. Hey, I acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that you're the eldest. Now that he got the bruhof

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<v Speaker 2>from Isaac, big deal, What does it cost him to.

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<v Speaker 3>Reacknowledge his firstborn status? You get it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is why these words are important to reason

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<v Speaker 2>again one two in order to ingratiate himself with Esau.

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<v Speaker 2>Two to re establish that I acknowledge that you're the firstborn.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is the language that the younger sibling uses

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<v Speaker 2>for the older sibling. Okay, that's why this is very important.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I want to tell you something I have,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to technology, a CD ram A compact this with

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<v Speaker 2>the entire Tanah, the entire Hebrew Bible on it. So

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<v Speaker 2>all I do is type in a word in Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>and it shows me every place in the Tanas that

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<v Speaker 2>it appears. I mean, it's just absolutely incredible instantaneously. So

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<v Speaker 2>I looked up malach and malachim angel or messenger in

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<v Speaker 2>singular and plural. Found the following, which I think is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, this is the first time when Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>sends Malachim.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first time in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Torah that malachim are sent by man. Until now, all

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<v Speaker 2>malachem were sent by God. Number two, no time better.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time in the Torah that malach is used in

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<v Speaker 2>the singular God sent it. Man only sends messengers. God

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<v Speaker 2>sends sometimes a messenger. I don't know if it's significant.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it's purely coincidental that there was never

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<v Speaker 2>a singular messenger sent by Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always messengers. Maybe that's when it becomes an angel

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<v Speaker 3>when it's in the singular. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, This is what you are to tell Esaul when

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<v Speaker 2>you meet him, thus says your servant Jacob. I stayed

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<v Speaker 2>with Laban and remained until now. Why is he saying that?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the importance of that message? Can anybody figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what is he trying to say to Asov here? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he's coming home, but that that's right. This was

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<v Speaker 2>his way of saying, Hey, if I could have i'd

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<v Speaker 2>have met you much sooner.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was stuck with Laban all these twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, like he was dying to see Asov the entire time.

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<v Speaker 2>Just couldn't give him a call, right, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really that you have to please understand the humor involved here,

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<v Speaker 2>not that he means, of course to be funny, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is humorous. He's using a Bologney line with this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. Hey, you know, if I only could have

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<v Speaker 2>ace up, Jesus, I'd have been in touch. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was stuck with Laban the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>So notice how rich this one sentence is with the

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<v Speaker 3>entire plan of Jacob. One.

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<v Speaker 2>I will treat you like the eldest all over again. Two,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be your humble servant. You are my lord.

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<v Speaker 3>Three Please no, I've been dying to be in touch

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<v Speaker 3>with you, but I've been detained for twenty years. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>now that you see the richness of the sentence. So

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<v Speaker 3>now he says, and now, and there's a tactic in

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<v Speaker 3>the next verse. And I a quiet cattle and asses

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<v Speaker 3>and sheep and male and female slaves or servants, if

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<v Speaker 3>you will, and I send this message to my lord

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<v Speaker 3>in the hope of gaining your favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, why does he tell him how rich he is? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is also part of his tactic. Hey, listen, I

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<v Speaker 2>recognize who you are. You're my lord, you're my elder brother.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been detained, and I'm very rich, always very rich.

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<v Speaker 3>Then that means he thinks Esau will think, oh, I

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<v Speaker 3>can get something from him, it is clear, and you

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<v Speaker 3>will see how clear it becomes that Yakov thinks that

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<v Speaker 3>Asov has one overwhelming desire in life, material welfare, and

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<v Speaker 3>generally speaking, he was probably right. That doesn't make Esau bad.

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<v Speaker 2>We have no basis on which to claim that Esau

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<v Speaker 2>is an evil man. Nothing in the biblical text suggests

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<v Speaker 2>that is that clear. He's a simple man. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>hunting man, which the Bible is not enthralled with. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a wild man. He doesn't care about birthrights. He cares

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<v Speaker 2>about eating well and hunting well and material welfare. But

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<v Speaker 2>he is not a bad man. He's just not the

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<v Speaker 2>person you want is your patriarch. Okay, that's very important

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now back to more of Dennis Fragger's timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>So he tells him how Richie is.

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<v Speaker 2>Sarna points out, though, that he doesn't mention a certain

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<v Speaker 2>animal that he does have. He mentions cattle, asks his sheep,

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<v Speaker 2>and then servants what animal does he have that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mention, and this is two very intentional camels. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mention that he owns camels.

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<v Speaker 3>Sarna says. The reason is.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that's the most valuable livestock. He just doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give it up. It's very simple as that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>all of this is so human, right. If you knew

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<v Speaker 2>you were going to give up stuff, maybe your very

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<v Speaker 2>most valuable thing, you might not mention. Oh I'm really loaded.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a Cadillac and I have a Pontiac.

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<v Speaker 3>But you don't mention your roles, Okay, I mean, if.

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<v Speaker 2>You're that wealthy, just to put it in common parlance,

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<v Speaker 2>comparing a camel and a rolls.

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<v Speaker 3>Verse verse seven.

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<v Speaker 2>The messengers returned to Jacob, saying, we came to your

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<v Speaker 2>brother Esau. This is already somewhat bad language for Jacob's ears.

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<v Speaker 3>He's still your brother, see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Please remember we're back to the original problem that you

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<v Speaker 2>had with your brother. So the language, it's don't give

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<v Speaker 2>me first born and stuff. This is your brother, Esaw,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's more or less just like you left him

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years ago. We came to your brother Aesa. He

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<v Speaker 2>himself is coming to meet you. Now, how is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly he has had his own spies out to find

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<v Speaker 2>out what's happened with my brother. He never felt that

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<v Speaker 2>things had been reconciled. So he found out, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>coming to meet you, to which, of course, we're sure

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<v Speaker 2>that Jacob was delighted, especially with the following data.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's not alone. Four hundred men are with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't now wonderful? You could only imagine Jacob's reaction. Jeez,

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<v Speaker 3>that's great news. Four hundred men in the Bible is

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<v Speaker 3>a regiment. This is not a well.

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<v Speaker 2>We counted and we noticed one more than three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's coming with a regiment. This is not good

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<v Speaker 3>for Jacob.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob, Jacob has a ceaselessly truble He's it started in

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<v Speaker 2>the womb, right.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some people like that, isn't it true?

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<v Speaker 2>There are some people who just seen that that problems

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<v Speaker 2>find them. They have an innate tropism for problems. Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>is one of them. It started in the womb. He

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<v Speaker 2>started fighting with his twin brother and it has never stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>He finally gets out of Laban's clutches. What is the

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<v Speaker 2>first news, Esaus showing up with a regiment. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>start feeling for the guy. I mean, he hasn't done

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<v Speaker 2>terrible things either. When you think about it, that he

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<v Speaker 2>has deserved all these problems, all right, So he himself

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<v Speaker 2>is coming to meet you.

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<v Speaker 3>There four hundred men with him, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Which the reaction in verse eight is rather understandable. Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>was greatly frightened, and in his anxiety, one.

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<v Speaker 3>Second, let's just see, yes, yes, yes, yes. If I

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<v Speaker 3>had any notes, they used them, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And in his anxiety he divided the people with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and the flocks and herds and camels into two camps, thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>if Asuv comes to the one camp and attacks it.

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<v Speaker 3>The other camp may yet escape. I mean, that is

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<v Speaker 3>how bad he envisioned the meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>It also shows how plagued he was with guilt this

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<v Speaker 2>whole time, because I think it's both guilt and a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of my brother is very angry, and twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>has not assuaged that anger.

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<v Speaker 3>That's obviously the way he is feeling here, that.

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<v Speaker 2>He would divide up his camp and say, look, one

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<v Speaker 2>of you may get obliterated, but at least i'll have

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<v Speaker 2>the other half that can run away while he's obliterating

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<v Speaker 2>the first half.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a sad time, obviously. Then Jacob said verse ten,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice that it's a somewhat different prayer than the one

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<v Speaker 2>he gave originally when he made that deal as it

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<v Speaker 2>were with God. Remember that this time he says, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>God of my father Abraham and God of my father Isaac,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Lord who said to me, return to your.

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<v Speaker 3>Native land, and I will deal bountifully with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm laughing because once again, while it is not as

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<v Speaker 2>obvious a deal as the first time he has a

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<v Speaker 2>prayer to God, it is a very unsubtle reminder to God. Hey, alisten,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a deal working here. You made a promise.

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<v Speaker 2>You notice that, Oh Lord, who promised the following, And

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<v Speaker 2>then he gets very specific, said that I will deal

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<v Speaker 2>very you will return to your native land, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will deal bountifully with you. Hey, listen, I'm on my

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<v Speaker 2>way to my native land, and I like you to

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<v Speaker 2>deal boundifully with me.

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<v Speaker 3>You made the promise, so says.

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<v Speaker 2>I am unworthy of all the kindness that you have

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<v Speaker 2>so steadfastly shown your servant. With my staff alone, I

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<v Speaker 2>crossed as Jordan, and now I have become two camps.

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<v Speaker 3>You get the point. I just came. All I had

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<v Speaker 3>was a miserable staff, right like Rod.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm gonna have too camps worth of people

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<v Speaker 2>and possessions.

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<v Speaker 3>Deliver me.

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<v Speaker 2>I pray from the hand of my brother, from the

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<v Speaker 2>hand of Aceov. Else I fear he may come and

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<v Speaker 2>strike me down, mothers and children alike.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he's quaking. He thinks his brother's an animal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet you have said, I will deal bountifully with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and make your offspring as the sands of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Sea, which are too new porus to count. Twice he

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<v Speaker 3>reminds God of what God brothers. So this is uh.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a man of faith. But who still feels that

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<v Speaker 3>God might need a little prompting. What can we say?

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<v Speaker 3>It's all too human?

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<v Speaker 2>I would, I would, I would argue, which is of

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<v Speaker 2>course the appeal of the whole book.

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<v Speaker 3>Verse fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>After spending the night there, he selected from what was

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<v Speaker 2>at hand these presents for his brother Aesov. One hundred

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<v Speaker 2>she goats and twenty he goats, two hundred us.

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<v Speaker 3>And twenty rams. Oh well, he ended up giving some

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<v Speaker 3>type of camel, maybe a sauna.

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<v Speaker 2>Either he couldn't avoid it or whatever. But he does

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<v Speaker 2>end up giving camels thirty milch. It says here you

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<v Speaker 2>have another term. What's a milch camel? Anybody know? It's

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<v Speaker 2>an old brand. It's like certain camels come in brands.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it's Steve. Oh really, so why.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it just milk camel all right? Thirty milch or

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<v Speaker 2>milk camels with their colts, forty cows and ten bulls,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty she asses and ten he asses. Notice it says

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<v Speaker 2>he gives from what was at hand. This was a

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<v Speaker 2>rich man. These were just what was around him. The

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<v Speaker 2>total thanks to sauna.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave him five one hundred and fifty easts. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a nice present.

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<v Speaker 2>But of course, if it works, it's a bargain, right

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<v Speaker 2>If you were thought you'd be killed, five hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty animals is a good deal. These he put in

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<v Speaker 2>the charge of his servants, drove by drove. Why did

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<v Speaker 2>he put him in drove by drove so that it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a very slow process, whereby Esau could see

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<v Speaker 2>all the riches that.

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<v Speaker 3>He was getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Even this is a tactic, and he told his servants

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<v Speaker 2>this is part of the tactic. Go on ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>keep a distance between droves. I mean, after all, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the most dramatic way to get a present? Slowly

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<v Speaker 2>but steadily, right, not all at once? Here it all is,

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<v Speaker 2>It's not as exciting. But if you show all here

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<v Speaker 2>are the ewes, and here are the rams, and here

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<v Speaker 2>are the camels, and each one just, oh, my god,

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<v Speaker 2>another thing from my darling brother Jacob.

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<v Speaker 3>You can get overwhelmed.

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<v Speaker 2>He instructed the one in front as follows. When my

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<v Speaker 2>brother Aesov meets you and asks you, who's man are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you going? And whose animals are these ahead

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<v Speaker 3>of you?

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<v Speaker 2>You'll answer your servant Jacob's They are a gift sent

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<v Speaker 2>to my lord Esau, and Jacob himself is right behind us.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me read to you on seventeen Oh I did

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<v Speaker 3>already on this? Okay, on that good again.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob's assumption is just as at the incident with the porridge,

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<v Speaker 2>that Esau will be mollified by immediate gratification and material gratification.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the way he reads his brother, and he's right.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother wants immediate stuff in life. He will give

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<v Speaker 2>up his anger for animals. He will give up his

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<v Speaker 2>birthright for porridge. That is the way in which Jacob

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<v Speaker 2>reads his brother. And we have no reason to think

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<v Speaker 2>he's wrong, because indeed it works in both cases. Nineteen Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to tell you one nineteen You shall

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<v Speaker 2>answer again. You see the word he uses, your servant Jacob,

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<v Speaker 2>You see that constantly use of this language. Of you

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<v Speaker 2>are ahead, you are above me. I defer to you,

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<v Speaker 2>you are great. He gave similar instructions to the second one,

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<v Speaker 2>and the third, and all the others who followed the droves, namely, thus,

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<v Speaker 2>and so shall you say to acelf when you reach him,

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<v Speaker 2>and you shall add what is the word? And you're

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<v Speaker 2>a servant, you see servant again. Servant Jacob himself is

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<v Speaker 2>right behind us. For he reasoned, if I propitiate him

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<v Speaker 2>with presents in advance and then face him, perhaps he

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<v Speaker 2>will show me favor. Okay, which was obvious. But the

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<v Speaker 2>reasoning is spelled out in the Torah verse twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>And so so the gift went on ahead while he

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<v Speaker 2>remained in camp.

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<v Speaker 3>That night.

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<v Speaker 2>That same night he arose and taking his two wives,

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<v Speaker 2>his two maid servants, and his eleven children. So you

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<v Speaker 2>will know who all these people are by now, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>he crossed the ford of the Yabuk. Now Yabuk is

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<v Speaker 2>a river which those of you, as you're passing around

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<v Speaker 2>that atlas, you should all be able to see that river,

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<v Speaker 2>which apparently has.

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<v Speaker 3>I read a description of.

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<v Speaker 2>It at another work. It is like a mini Grand canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got very steep mountains on each side, almost coming

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<v Speaker 2>up perpendicular from the water, and is very difficult to cross.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to understand what is involved here.

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<v Speaker 2>In the ancient world, crossing a river was a monumental

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<v Speaker 2>task and is also filled with meaning. That's when they

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<v Speaker 2>speak about crossing the rubicon, right, if you've crossed the rubicon,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a metaphor for you've really your life has changed,

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<v Speaker 2>You've really gone to something very different in life. Crossing

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<v Speaker 2>a river is critical as it will be the most

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<v Speaker 2>among the most critical moments for Jacob here in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is the importance of this river Yabok. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>the name itself is related to the word conflict mavac

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<v Speaker 2>in Hebrew, which is exactly what he will have with

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<v Speaker 2>this messenger of God coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now back to more of Dennis Frager's timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>So that same night he arose and taking his two

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<v Speaker 2>wives to mad service eleven children, he crossed the ford

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<v Speaker 2>of the Yabok. Now, who in the world would cross

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<v Speaker 2>a difficult river at night?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he do it?

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is probably because it was critical to him

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<v Speaker 2>to get as fast as possible to Esau.

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<v Speaker 3>After he got the gifts while Esau was still in

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<v Speaker 3>a good mood. That is how important it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And it shows the contempt I hate to say it,

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways that Jacob had not for at least

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<v Speaker 2>that aspect of his brother. That he's basically a very wild,

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<v Speaker 2>feeling oriented human being. Who can't you got a hit

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<v Speaker 2>when the feeling is right, which is what he has

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<v Speaker 2>worked with Esau the whole time.

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<v Speaker 3>Once again, if he.

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<v Speaker 2>Has these gifts and there is a fairly a long

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<v Speaker 2>lag time between the gifts and seeing me, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>hate my guts again and he'll forget the gifts. He

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<v Speaker 2>is moving very quickly here. He cannot wait to cross

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<v Speaker 2>the river and get to Aesop. He's coming south and

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Aesob is coming north. If you saw that the Atlas map.

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<v Speaker 2>After taking them across the stream, he sent across all

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>his possessions, Jacob was left alone. We don't know why

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Jacob was left alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it doesn't follow fully from what we just said.

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 3>If he went with his family, why was he alone

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<v Speaker 3>and he send them all across the stream and his possessions,

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 3>and he was left alone.

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>But it says that he crossed the ford after taking

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>them across the stream, he sent across all his possessions. Well,

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>unless he sent everybody and he stayed behind, I guess

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>that's the implication. I don't know why he would do it, though,

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. I don't see why it would happen.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter though. What matters is that he was alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Just wanted to say that it's not a necessary logical

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>follow up. If he's crossed with everybody, why doesn't he

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<v Speaker 2>continue with everybody?

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<v Speaker 3>Be that as it may. He stayed alone. Maybe it

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 3>was to contemplate.

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was to prepare himself psychologically, who knows.

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Whatever the reason, he did stay alone. And now comes

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most fascinating episodes in the Bible, not

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<v Speaker 3>just in Genesis. And a man wrestled with him until

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<v Speaker 3>the break of dawn. Notice what it says. It says

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<v Speaker 3>a man wrestled with.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, okay, until the break of dawn when he saw

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>that he had not prevailed against him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's who. When who saw the man?

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<v Speaker 2>When the man saw that he had not prevailed I'm

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>going to keep telling you who that he is, because

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it never says it and get very confusing. When he

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the man, this unnamed unknown man, saw that he had

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 2>not prevailed again him Jacob, he wrenched Jacob's hip at

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the socket so that the socket of his hip was

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>strained as he wrestled with him. He was forever somewhat

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 2>crippled as a result of this fight.

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<v Speaker 3>He will have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Permanent physical handicap reminder a limp, if you will, as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of this struggle at the river.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he said, who said good? The fact that you

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 3>all shouted out the man at Jacob is why it's

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 3>important that I tell you who it is, because the

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<v Speaker 3>text is not it. Should you know if I'd have

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<v Speaker 3>written this, itomated clearer, Yes, it is the man. Then

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>he said, that is the man. Let me go, for

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 3>dawn is breaking, But he Jacob answered, I will not

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<v Speaker 3>let you go unless you bless me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll read the story and then we'll have a lot

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>of commentary on it. Are you with me thus far?

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<v Speaker 2>I won't let you go, Jacob says to the man,

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>unless you bless me, said the other, that is the man.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your name? Jacob? Replied. He replied Jacob, Jacob

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>said he the man.

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<v Speaker 2>Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel, for

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<v Speaker 2>you have striven with beings divine and human and have prevailed.

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Jacob asked, pray, tell me your name, but he said,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 2>you must not ask my name, and he took leave

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<v Speaker 2>of him there. Okay, we'll continue afterwards, But there is

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to read to you some commentaries, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I will give you my own. First, I will

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<v Speaker 2>read to you from Sarna about the story. Listen carefully.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very very interesting commentary. The literary artistry shows

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<v Speaker 2>every sign of the influence of two dominant motifs common

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<v Speaker 2>to a broad range of cultures. The river is the

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 2>scene of the struggle, recalls the many tales of river

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>spirits that fight with humans who seek to cross their abodes.

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 2>A very common feature in ancient civilization is river demons

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>who are there to be fought and conquered in order

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<v Speaker 2>for you to successfully cross the river. Okay, So this

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>idea of fighting some invisible spirit or demon at a

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 2>river would have resonated to ancient readers totally, insofar as

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<v Speaker 2>rivers frequently prove to be unexpectedly treacherous. They were believed

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<v Speaker 2>to possess some malevolent power.

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<v Speaker 3>Dangerous to human life.

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<v Speaker 2>Travelers with take good care to propitiate the river spirit

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 2>through sacrifice, libation, or other ritual before attempting to ford.

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Is that totally clear? They would have.

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Religious ceremonies which they would engage in rituals in order

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<v Speaker 2>to propitiate the the river spirits to be successful in crossing.

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<v Speaker 2>Equally widespread is the motif of a demonic, that is,

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>devilish being whose power is restricted to the duration of

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the night, and who is unable to abide the breaking.

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Of the dawn.

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<v Speaker 2>Because remember in the story how important it is, it's

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 2>the sun is up, Let me go. Seems to be

0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a non sequitor. What does one have to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the other. But that too, was an idea common in

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 2>those in those times of spirits of the night only.

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<v Speaker 3>And they would be defeated by the dawn. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>An obvious corollary is the opportunity accorded a brave soul

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>to derive profit from the situation by holding on to

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the demon long enough to bend it to his will.

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 3>Now here is the key.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Though these motifs are obviously incompatible with Israelite monotheism. Remember

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the theme that I kept telling you about an early Genesis,

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that this is an affirmation of monotheism of the One

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<v Speaker 2>God and hostility, profound hostility to.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Paganism and to polytheism.

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Again, you have a story that pagans would relate to,

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<v Speaker 2>and given one way that Torah changes it, just as

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>it changed in the beginning. God created the world. Remember,

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 2>nobody created God. No sex was involved in creating the world,

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 2>even though that was exactly the way all pagan stories

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 2>did it. What you do is you have in Genesis

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>an inversion of pol You have your stories. We are

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 2>going to monotheize them. So with Noah, remember.

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 3>I told you about Utnah pished him about the pagan stories.

0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Everybody had stories of a.

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Flood, but they were all saved because they were handsome,

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<v Speaker 2>because the gods loved them for no reason except that

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 2>they were drawn to them. But Noah's chosen because he's moral,

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>totally different. Once again, you have it here. The motifs

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>are obviously incompatible with Israelite monotheism. They have consequently been

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>transformed in our biblical narrative. Nothing in the text connects

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the mysterious assailant.

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 3>With a river spirit. Get it. There are no river spirits,

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 3>there are no demons. God controls the world. It is

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.919
<v Speaker 3>the basic, basic, basic Jewish view.

0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>There are no competing forces on earth. That is why

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>witchcraft is not acceptable in Judaism or magic, because they

0:36:06.520 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 2>imply other powers than God to manipulate life. You have

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 2>free choice, and therefore you are in God's image. You're

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the only other free choice creature in the universe. That's

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>why the human is so distinct. But there are no

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>other powers. There is divine power, and there is human power. Absolutely,

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.240
<v Speaker 2>there is human power. But there are no other powers

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 2>in the world, not river demons.

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 3>In this particular instance.

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<v Speaker 2>So the reader of ancient Israel would have been shocked

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 2>by this story. You're not, But that reader would have

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 2>been where's the river demon. It's just a It's just

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>a man or a messenger of God. We'll talk about

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:51.200
<v Speaker 2>that later. The stranger does not interfere with the passage

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 2>of personnel, livestock, and baggage.

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Right. They all went across effortlessly.

0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 2>Then came the person It is only after these have

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 2>already crossed the river that he becomes active. It is

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Jacob alone who is the object of his aggression. Jacob

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 2>clearly knows nothing of any river spirit, for the attack

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>is wholly unexpected and no propitiatory ceremony takes place.

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Right, Jacob didn't.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Make any special libation or ritual against river demons. The

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>contrast with the folk tale genre is further accentuated through

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the absence of any description of the adversary.

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.160
<v Speaker 3>All it said was man. And then it didn't even

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 3>say man again. Remember that's why the text is so

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 3>a little difficult.

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>It just kept saying and he said, and he said,

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and he said, and he said, and he said.

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<v Speaker 3>We know nothing about this thing.

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Just once it said man ish.

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure it's the word used.

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:06.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yes, twenty five Okay, So nothing is told about it.

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>The usual pattern requires the spirit to assume the form

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of animals, serpents, and monsters in a constant shift from

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>one guise to another in the course of the struggle.

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.120
<v Speaker 2>You have none of that, even hinted at here correct again,

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 2>in a complete reversal of roles. It is the mysterious

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>being who injures Jacob. Traditionally, the spirit is the one

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 2>who is punished and wounded by the human defender. It's

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 2>entirely inverted. Do you see that from what pagan stories

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>would be. It is one of the key motifs of

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 2>Genesis is the destruction of the Torah. Forget if Genesis

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 2>of all five books, and that will be if you

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 2>last with me, one of the constant repeated, if not

0:38:55.000 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the most constantly repeated theme. Destroy polytheism, knock alternate ideas

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 2>of other powers in the world. The fact that the

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>assailant blesses Jacob proves that it cannot.

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Be a demon.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 2>If it were a demon, who's going to ask a

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 2>blessing from a demon?

0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 3>That's another inversion of it all.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode of timeless wisdom will continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 4>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless.

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<v Speaker 2>Wisdom, for the notion of eliciting and receiving a blessing

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 2>from a demon is unexampled and inconceivable in a biblical context.

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 2>In short, the occurrence of this incident by a river

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and the sudden attack by a mysterious assailant indicate that

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>popular folk tales provided the literary model for this biblical narrative,

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:58.839
<v Speaker 2>but a careful and radical pursing of all elements offensive

0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>to the monotheism of Israel has taken place pagan bottles,

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 2>monotheism wine. Okay, very very important. Continuing now, now we

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:17.839
<v Speaker 2>raise the question of the identity of the assailant. Who

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:22.320
<v Speaker 2>but Aesav Esau would have had such an obstructionist interest.

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>But the wrestler is definitely not Esau himself. Hence he

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 2>must stand for Esau in some manner. He is, as

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 2>it were, Esau's alter ego. The vocabulary employed in the

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 2>narrative to identify the strange personage a man and afterwards Elohim,

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 2>a divine being, is that used elsewhere of angels.

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Indeed, the prophet Hosea.

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Explicitly describes him as such as an angel in Hosea

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>twelve four.

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 3>I checked it. It's true.

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 2>The most plausible solution, therefore, is to see in this

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 2>mysterious being the celestial patron of Esau. This, indeed is

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:11.240
<v Speaker 2>the interpretation given in amid Rush, which is a Rabbinic fable.

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>As it were, throughout the ancient world, the idea was

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>current that each city, state, each people had its divine protector.

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:24.040
<v Speaker 2>In monotheistic Israel, such a notion was intolerable. It therefore

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>became transmuted into a belief in the existence of subordinate.

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Spirits who were part of the celestial host. Finally, in summation,

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 3>the mysterious creature who assails Jacob as he is about

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 3>to cross the future border of Israel. That's another reason

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 3>for this important river is none other than the celestial

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 3>patron of Esau, Edome, who was the inveterate enemy of

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>the people Israel. Again, an ancient Israelite reading this would

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 3>have seen a metaphorical battle of Israel and Edome. The

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 3>entire episode foreshadows the impending confrontation with Esau, whom Jacob

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 3>can now meet with confidence if he wrestled with this

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 3>being now he could certainly wrestle with Esau.

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 2>It is also emblematic of subsequent historical relations between the

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>people of Israel and a Dome.

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Now, let me read to you.

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 2>What Cloud says just one paragraph. Since ancient days, crossing

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:31.280
<v Speaker 2>a river has.

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>Been all its old ones.

0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 2>Make sure you, Since ancient days, crossing a river has

0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 2>been symbolic of overcoming hazard and going forward to new experience,

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:42.920
<v Speaker 2>which is what.

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 3>I was talking about.

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 2>In this sense, Jacob passing over the a book to

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 2>meet Esau crosses the watershed of his life. Everything that

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>has happened to him since he obtained both birthright and

0:42:55.560 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 2>parental blessing by doubtful means, has been tanked. Did with

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>his own guilt and his brother's enmity. Jacob can fully

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>face his own past only as he seeks reconciliation with Esau,

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.400
<v Speaker 2>and this he can do only as he becomes a

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>different man. When Jacob becomes Israel, he can achieve reconciliation

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>with his brother.

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:34.479
<v Speaker 3>Now, prager at Sarna and plot hold on one sec. Okay, Now,

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you a little story. What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 3>It means strive or struggle with God.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let's look again at why he got that name

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 2>verse twenty nine, twenty nine.

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.600
<v Speaker 3>And he said, that is the the man.

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel, for

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 2>you have striven with beings divine and human, and have prevailed. Okay, first,

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 2>just the I can't the shot the literal explanation. He

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>has struggled with human beings, right, Esau and Laban. He

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 2>has really struggled, and he has prevailed. But he has

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 2>now also struggled with God, or at least with divine

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:38.640
<v Speaker 2>beings and therefore you get the name struggle with God.

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<v Speaker 3>My little story is a very simple one.

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 2>It's about a phone call I got from a Muslim

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 2>woman many years ago on one of my talk shows. Said, Dennis,

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you say we can ask you anything. He said, of course,

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 2>said I'd like to ask you.

0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm a Muslim woman. I like to know why you're

0:44:58.440 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 3>not a Muslim. And I thank her for asking me

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:07.000
<v Speaker 3>because I took it as a as a compliment that

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.799
<v Speaker 3>she even cared that she would like me to be one.

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.879
<v Speaker 3>Was I felt complimentary at any rate, I.

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Said to her, it's obviously worthy of huge responses and dialogues.

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 3>And I cannot deny that having been born Jewish is

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 3>a big part of the reason.

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>But having said that, I can give you a philosophical reason.

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 2>The names of each of our religions in their native

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 2>language gives you the answer. Islam means something in Arabic,

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 2>and Israel means something in Hebrew. Islam means surrender to God.

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Israel means struggle with God. I rather struggle with God

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 2>than surrender to God. And she said, thank you. That's

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:57.320
<v Speaker 2>a good answer because she was true to her Islam.

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Because you are to to God, not In Judaism, you

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 2>are to obey God, but not surrender.

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>There's a big difference struggle and obey.

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 2>A lot of Jews take the struggle very seriously and

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 2>end up disobeying, and a lot of Jews don't even struggle.

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 3>As Eli Weisel put it once, I think very.

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Well said, a Jew can love God, a Jew can

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:32.680
<v Speaker 2>fight with God, but a Jew cannot ignore God. And

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Jews ignore God, which is to me

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 2>the greatest contemporary Jewish problem. But putting that aside for

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 2>a moment, struggling with God and struggling with Man is

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 2>what life is about. And this is why, aside from

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the obvious Jewish reason I just gave you why.

0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:59.239
<v Speaker 3>I think this is so important when I lectured a

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 3>great deal on he happiness and writing a book on it,

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 3>which will come out sometime at my great grandchild's broh mitzvah.

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 3>But the uh, I make the point in it that

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 3>tension is a good thing. Those of you took the

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.919
<v Speaker 3>course with me will undoubtedly recall this because I made

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:22.160
<v Speaker 3>such a big deal about it.

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Animals have no tension or a desire no tension. Certainly,

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.399
<v Speaker 2>you look at a cow grazing and you have seen

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the epitome of non tension.

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:34.839
<v Speaker 3>Right then they look up at you with that.

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Untense look, and you know that you have seen the

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 2>face of relaxation. And as I put it when I

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 2>teach the course, a lot of people actually want to

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:53.080
<v Speaker 2>emulate cows. There is a desire to live as tension

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>free as possible. Hence, for example, people will do things

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 2>that are the antithesis of breeding any tension, as for example,

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 2>watch television a great deal, watching sports a great deal.

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I have no problem with some TV, with some sports

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:11.399
<v Speaker 2>with some no.

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Tension, not at all. There's a place for that in life.

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.240
<v Speaker 2>That I'm not extreme on this, I am only saying

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that a life that seeks no tension is.

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Not a human life.

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.720
<v Speaker 2>You have not fully developed your humanity if you seek

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 2>no tension. This goes true, by the way, for both

0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 2>secular and religious people. Secular people who never challenge their

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 2>secularism and religious people who never challenge their religiosity are

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 2>to me in the same human boat, lazy, ungrowing as

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:52.959
<v Speaker 2>human beings now. And the interesting thing is neither one

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>sees it very.

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Often as a problem in their own life.

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 2>If you speak to secular people, they'll always challenge religion people, Hey,

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 2>how can you be religious? Look at all this evil?

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 2>How can you believe in God? There are kids with cancer,

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 2>and they're right, those are legitimate questions which religious people

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:10.719
<v Speaker 2>should struggle with.

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 3>But what if you turn it around and say, Okay,

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 3>I have to struggle with kids with cancer, but do

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 3>you have to struggle with kids with no cancer? You

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:22.760
<v Speaker 3>have to struggle with the fact that there are kids period.

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Do you struggle with that? You and your secularism?

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 2>You, in your non religiosity, do you ever struggle with it?

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>You are the absence of God and religion in your life. Yes,

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I fully acknowledge I as a religious person have many

0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:41.680
<v Speaker 2>things to account for and struggle with. But do you

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 2>not realize in your secular life the absence of God

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and religion that you have also struggles you have to

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.400
<v Speaker 2>deal with. And this is revelatory, absolutely revelatory. They have

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>never thought of it in that way. Likewise, there are

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.640
<v Speaker 2>many religious people who say, you see, look the secular

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 2>They close their minds to the obvious fact that there

0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>is a God and there was a creator in the world.

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.319
<v Speaker 2>But you can ask many religious people, h really, well,

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 2>did you ever challenge your religiosity. You were born in

0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the exact same religion you're in. You haven't grown one

0:50:08.600 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in since you're a child. Religiously, you are doing exactly

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 2>what your parents did religiously, why are you intellectually and humanly?

0:50:17.000 --> 0:50:18.600
<v Speaker 3>One went more advanced.

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Than the secularist who never challenged his or her secularism,

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and they never thought of it that way. How many

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.320
<v Speaker 2>religious people challenge their religiosity. They come to some peace

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 2>with some beliefs at a certain point, and then they

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:35.720
<v Speaker 2>just sail on till death, just as secularists sail on till.

0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Death with their non challenge. And neither is the dream,

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 3>that not.

0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>The Jewish dream, at any rate, at any rate, of

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>what the human should be.

0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 3>And that is why, by the way, it is so beautiful.

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Jacob has to struggle with man and struggle with God,

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:55.279
<v Speaker 2>and so do you. If you don't struggle with man

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>or with God, then you don't grow. That doesn't mean

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>go around fighting and bullying. It means struggling. It's a

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:08.080
<v Speaker 2>struggle to make a better world. It is if everybody

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.720
<v Speaker 2>in the world likes you, you've done something wrong.

0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:13.280
<v Speaker 3>It's the truth.

0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.319
<v Speaker 2>By the way, if everybody in the world hates you.

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 2>You've also done something wrong. Both are true. Now, the

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>point is not to make enemies. The point is to struggle.

0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you struggle with human beings and you struggle with God?

0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And that is what it is to be human. That's

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 2>why the story has such resonance. After all, it has

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 2>to what is the big deal? There has to be

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.239
<v Speaker 2>a big deal because this is the name of the

0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 2>people of the Bible, So it's got to have it's

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>got from the biblical perspective, it has to have a

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:51.839
<v Speaker 2>staggering amount of importance. And frankly, what could be more

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>important than the nature of humanity. It's not just the

0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:58.880
<v Speaker 2>nature of the jew it's the Jewish understanding of what

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:03.239
<v Speaker 2>it is to be a human. This struggle, this is

0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:08.600
<v Speaker 2>how you grow through tension, not aggravation. Incidentally, one of

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the things that I make a distinction in my book

0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 2>is between tension and aggravation. Aggravation is gratuitous, tension unnecessary

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:22.839
<v Speaker 2>because nudnix are in your life. Okay, that's a very

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 2>different thing.

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Or you get too easily aggravated over things that you shouldn't.

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:32.720
<v Speaker 3>That's bad, that just kills you. But tension is good.

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 2>My best example of how good tension is is we

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.120
<v Speaker 2>use it, for example, in one sphere of life as

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 2>totally positive sexual tension.

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 3>It's a good thing.

0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:50.600
<v Speaker 2>If you don't have any sexual tension with your partner, it's.

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:53.399
<v Speaker 3>Not a good thing. It's precisely what you do want

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 3>to have. But it's not the only area where tension

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:58.680
<v Speaker 3>is a good thing. You want tension in a lot

0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 3>of You want intellectual tendon if you're not challenging yourself.

0:53:02.960 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 2>It happened on the radio last night. Guy called up.

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>He wanted the recommendations because he's conservative. He's a dentist.

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Give me good magazines to read so I can bolster

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:13.240
<v Speaker 2>my conservatism.

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 3>And I gave him half and half.

0:53:15.600 --> 0:53:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I gave him half conservative, half liberal, and one centrist.

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Because if all he reads is conservative journals that he

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 2>agrees with, how's he going to grow? Even as a conservative,

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 2>he won't grow, let alone, as a human, He'll just deteriorate.

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll become a parrot of the conservative articles that he's read,

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.640
<v Speaker 2>as liberals do with liberal articles that they read and

0:53:34.680 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 2>don't read the opposition. Now, it makes life tougher, but

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:44.960
<v Speaker 2>it makes it infinitely richer to have this tension to

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 2>struggle with people, to struggle with God.

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 3>And that's what it is about.

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 2>That is why if you have questions about God in Judaism,

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.400
<v Speaker 2>that is totally par for the course.

0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 3>That is why you will now.

0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Understand the concept in Judaism that how you behave is

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 2>more important than how you believe. Now the behavior includes

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 2>ritual religious behavior, though it is more important in Judaism

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:17.200
<v Speaker 2>that you observe the Shabbah, the Sabbath than that you

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:22.759
<v Speaker 2>affirm God's existence. That is true for Reform, for Conservative,

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 2>for Orthodox, for Hasidic. There is no exception in Jewish

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>historical thinking.

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:31.839
<v Speaker 3>And that's not often you can say that.

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Because you may have doubts on a Wednesday, but Friday night,

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:39.359
<v Speaker 2>when the sun sets, it's time for you to make

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>the Sabbath, even if you have doubts or you're angry

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:46.919
<v Speaker 2>at God that week. Now you understand where this all

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.279
<v Speaker 2>comes from. That is why you are free as a

0:54:49.360 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Jew to have a great deal of tension, to have

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:53.359
<v Speaker 2>a great deal of.

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Even anger at God. How can you let a Holocaust happen?

0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 2>So when Jews yell they can't believe in God after

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the holocaus, they're doing that, they're reacting to me in

0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:07.840
<v Speaker 2>an Unjewish way and in the logical way. The logical

0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:09.879
<v Speaker 2>and Jewish ways not to say there's no God because

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.399
<v Speaker 2>there's a Holocaust. The logical and Jewish ways say I'm

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.320
<v Speaker 2>angry at God because there was a Holocaust. The Holocaust

0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>doesn't disprove God's existence anymore than then an unfortunately, a

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.759
<v Speaker 2>tragic gang bang shooting in La tonight will. For that

0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 2>person murdered, it's no different if they're one of six

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:29.759
<v Speaker 2>million or one of one. That's the end of their whole,

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.640
<v Speaker 2>all their hopes and their and everything else of their life.

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 3>The issue is feeling about God. Anger with God. That's permitted.

0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, there is a certain desirability if your reaction to

0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:45.879
<v Speaker 2>God is identical, no matter what happens to you, You're

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 2>not human. If you never struggle with God, it doesn't

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 2>make sense. You struggle with your wife, with your husband,

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.240
<v Speaker 2>with your kids, with your parents, but not with God.

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Is God less intimate to you? How could you be

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.840
<v Speaker 2>intimate with anybody and not struggle. It doesn't make sense.

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Then there's nothing going on. That's the beauty of this story.

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what I have always gotten out of it. This

0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:15.120
<v Speaker 2>is when he goes from Jacob, which is the grabber,

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.800
<v Speaker 2>that's what Remember what it meant. It was just grabbed

0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 2>on the heel of his brother. And now he becomes

0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a struggler. The highest term that the Torah can give

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:30.840
<v Speaker 2>a human being is struggler. That's what I want to

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:35.239
<v Speaker 2>be said when you're dead, when I'm dead, he struggled.

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:39.719
<v Speaker 2>He worked hard in this life. He grappled with it

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:47.120
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes prevailed. Sometimes we don't, but that's not The

0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 2>purpose in life is to prevail, because none of you,

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>none of us, no one will ever fully prevail. That's

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:56.799
<v Speaker 2>why there's a great rabbinic statement it is not up

0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to you to finish the task, but you're also not

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:01.760
<v Speaker 2>free to desist from trying.

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:06.360
<v Speaker 3>None of you will make the world perfect. None of

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:06.879
<v Speaker 3>us will.

0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean you can sit back and not

0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:14.040
<v Speaker 2>try to make it better. But no one dies with

0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 2>all of his dreams, and that'll come out very dreams fulfilled.

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 2>The only one, remember who said it died satisfied was Abraham.

0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I told you is the one time in the Torah

0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.920
<v Speaker 2>that had happened, And it's quite amazing that it happened

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<v Speaker 2>in the one time. So fellow strugglers that that.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the ideal.

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<v Speaker 2>The highest appellation of the Torah is one who struggles

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<v Speaker 2>with God one, not one who ignores God, and not

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<v Speaker 2>one who sits back with comfort, comforting and comfortable belief.

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<v Speaker 2>As a Protestant one said, it's the task of religion.

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<v Speaker 2>The task of religion is not to comfort the afflicted

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<v Speaker 2>nearly as much as it is to afflict the comfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very important because a lot of people look to

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<v Speaker 2>religion as a source of comfort, look to God as

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<v Speaker 2>a source of comfort.

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay, there is nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's all you are looking for in God and religion,

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<v Speaker 2>then they become merely little valiance and they are not real.

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<v Speaker 2>The task is to challenge you, and you challenge with standards.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that troubles me today.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the argument that compassion must always win out against standards.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a very difficult issue where it's an example,

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<v Speaker 2>and with this I will move on. And whether you

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<v Speaker 2>agree with me or not is not the point. Nor

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<v Speaker 2>am I here to convince you that I'm right. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here to convince you that this is a good example

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<v Speaker 2>of the tension between comfort and religious standards. Homosexuality comfort

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<v Speaker 2>says live and let live whatever people do, so long

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<v Speaker 2>as it's non coercive, there is no judgment to be made,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is a far more comforting thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You live with far more tension if you argue that

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<v Speaker 3>there is a better way to lead a life, that

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<v Speaker 3>heterosexual monogamous marriage is the best. It makes people tense.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes adulterers tense, It makes single people who are

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<v Speaker 2>single out of volition tense. It is it's not fully

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<v Speaker 2>compassionate because the purpose of religion is not only to

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<v Speaker 2>be compassionate. It is to provide a guideline, a thing

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<v Speaker 2>to aspire to. If you can't, you can't. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to sit here and dump on people who can't.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't be heterosexual, I have no argument with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I only have an argument with you if you ask

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<v Speaker 2>me to say that Judaism my religion says it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if you're hetero or all.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where my argument comes in. It is not personal.

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<v Speaker 2>It is over whether or not standards which cause tension

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<v Speaker 2>should be removed just because they cause tension.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the purpose of religion.

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<v Speaker 2>It is to cause tension, not anger, not hostility, not evil,

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<v Speaker 2>but tension. It means you're alive and struggling with it

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<v Speaker 2>is a big part of the issue.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what happened at Yabok.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, it's longer than Plout's and Sarna's commentary,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's mine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll come to a moment. Let me just finish chapter

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<v Speaker 3>thirty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob ass tell me your name, and he said, you

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<v Speaker 2>must not ask my name, and he took leave of

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<v Speaker 2>him there.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, why what happens here? When else?

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<v Speaker 2>Even though I very rarely make references to other places

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<v Speaker 2>in the Torah, because I want to read the tore

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<v Speaker 2>as if we're coming the first time, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>another place worthy of mentioning here where again there is

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<v Speaker 2>this question to the divine being, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Anybody know?

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<v Speaker 2>Moses at the burning Bush asks what's your name? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's exactly what Jacob is asking this presumably divine being

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<v Speaker 2>here at Yabok, at the river Yebogue, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he wrestle with God? Did he wrestle with man?

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<v Speaker 3>Did he wrestle with an angel?

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<v Speaker 2>It's silent on this, but it was so obviously divine

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<v Speaker 2>even to Jacob, because he asked for a blessing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how we know that. That was the case with Jacob.

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<v Speaker 3>And no name once please, and no name is given.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, you can't know my name because the divinity God.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not knowable.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a great medieval Hebrews saying Lujah dativ haithiv. If

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<v Speaker 2>I knew him, I'd be him.

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<v Speaker 3>If I knew God, I'd be God. You can't Man

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<v Speaker 3>can't know God. You can wrestle with God. You can

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<v Speaker 3>know God's will in certain areas, but you cannot know

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<v Speaker 3>God cannot tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Take it in one second, just finished chapter thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>and he took leave of them there.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jacob named the place penny Lanim penni l literally

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<v Speaker 3>means face of God.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he named it, face of God, meaning I

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the Divine Being face to face, yet my

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<v Speaker 2>life has been preserved.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a basic Torah principle. You can't see God

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<v Speaker 3>and live.

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<v Speaker 2>God himself says that later on in the Torah, the

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<v Speaker 2>sun rose upon him as he passed Penuel, limping.

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<v Speaker 3>On his hip. He now has a limp as indeed,

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<v Speaker 3>Moses had had a speech impediment. That is why the

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<v Speaker 3>children of Israel to this day did.

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<v Speaker 2>Not eat the thigh muscle that is on the socket

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<v Speaker 2>of the hip, since jacob hip sock Jacob's hip socket

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<v Speaker 2>was wrenched.

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<v Speaker 3>At the thigh muscle.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that the psiatic nerve has to be

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<v Speaker 2>removed from meat for it to be kosher. They do

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<v Speaker 2>that in Israel, so you can have I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>would mean kosher sirloin.

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<v Speaker 3>But here you can't because they don't bother doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just that's part of that part of the animal.

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<v Speaker 2>They just give to the non kosher butcher a butchery,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, and it is not used because it's two painstaking.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Israel it actually is done, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>eat that part of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Animal and have it kosher. But this too is a

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<v Speaker 3>very important.

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish symbol of making the physical, making the metaphysical physical

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<v Speaker 2>is a very big part of Judaism. A Jew is

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<v Speaker 2>not told, remember that you were slave in Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>Every year.

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<v Speaker 2>A Jew is told the following, eat matza, so that

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<v Speaker 2>you will remember exactly what they ate. Eat bitter herbs,

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<v Speaker 2>so you'll have a little pain, physical pain, to give

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<v Speaker 2>you an idea of what it was like to be

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<v Speaker 2>a slave. Eat hero sat Because this certain mixture of

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<v Speaker 2>nuts and so on and fruits to give you an

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what mortar looked like, and.

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<v Speaker 3>On and on.

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<v Speaker 2>Every year, I want you to live in an impermanent

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<v Speaker 2>booth on the holiday of Booths Sukkote, so that you

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is to live with impermanence.

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<v Speaker 3>Judaism doesn't trust you.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't believe that you can empathize non physically. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to know what it is like to live impermanently,

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<v Speaker 2>live impermanently. If you want to know what it is

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<v Speaker 2>like not to be able to have the time to.

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<v Speaker 3>Bake bread, don't bake bread. Judaism is filled with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this regard it is very, very different from Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity is a religion of the heart, much more than Judaism,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a religion of the law. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>there's no law on Christianity, and it doesn't mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>no heart in Judaism, but it does mean that one

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<v Speaker 2>tends to stress one more than the other stresses it.

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<v Speaker 2>After all, they stressed everything equally, they'd be the same religion.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not an inferior, superior statement. It's a statement

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<v Speaker 2>of difference. Judaism holds. If you want to feel it,

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<v Speaker 2>you must do it. You cannot just feel it. Same

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<v Speaker 2>with the Sabbath. These are the things you do in

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<v Speaker 2>order to emulate God's ceasing of creativity on the Sabbath.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the things you do. These are the things

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<v Speaker 3>you don't do. Whereas to most Christians today the Sabbath

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<v Speaker 3>is felt internally to an observing Jew, the idea that.

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<v Speaker 2>You could go to a ballgame, drive to a ballgame

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<v Speaker 2>on the Sabbath, it'll keep it in your heart is

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<v Speaker 2>totally foreign, as foreign as it is to a Christian

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that you shouldn't go to a ballgame on

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<v Speaker 2>the Sabbath because you are violating God's will.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet those are two very separate ways.

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<v Speaker 2>When I asked Christian clergy for ten years on religion

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<v Speaker 2>on the line on my radio station, I would ask them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if I came to your home on a

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday after church, how would I know it's a Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>and not a Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, you wouldn't because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Internal my feeling of the Lord's Day, which is literally

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<v Speaker 2>what Sunday is for a Christian more than specifically the Sabbath.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you came to an observant Jews home on

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<v Speaker 2>the Sabbath, you would know in ten seconds it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Sabbath. Everything about it would be different, everything about

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<v Speaker 2>the behavior. So too, you don't remember when Jacob became Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>You eat it. You see every time, you can't have

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<v Speaker 3>that part of an animal. You remember the battle that

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<v Speaker 3>made Jacob into Israel. That's a very big difference, and

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<v Speaker 3>that is what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Going on in this particular verse. Okay, there were a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of questions here.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I was really struck by the part that you

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<v Speaker 5>passed over.

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<v Speaker 3>He pointed out the anomaly.

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<v Speaker 5>Of Jacob's standing there alone on the bank, and then

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<v Speaker 5>you passed over it. It seems to me that the

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<v Speaker 5>implication here is very strong that he was waiting, and

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<v Speaker 5>the text.

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<v Speaker 3>Goes very quickly into the struggle.

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<v Speaker 5>He's standing there alone, and all of a sudden he's

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<v Speaker 5>struggling with the messengers.

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<v Speaker 3>So he stood there intentionally. You're saying as if.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew he had to, right, it's very possible, or

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<v Speaker 2>simply that or not as an or as if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a different explanation. But in addition that he knew that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a major moment, than he needed to be

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<v Speaker 2>alone for whatever reason, even if he didn't know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what was going to happened, which is why he sent

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<v Speaker 2>everybody ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, atthastics for the messager whoever's.

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<v Speaker 3>Name and the name is not given, he said it,

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<v Speaker 3>and he took leave and he blessed him then, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>versus that Yes, okay, No, it's thirty Okay, I look

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<v Speaker 3>at the Hebrew. Yes, it's a very good point. See.

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<v Speaker 2>I debated whether I should do every sentence in Hebrew,

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<v Speaker 2>but it took too long. I used to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you are absolutely right. She is she says it.

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<v Speaker 2>Her reading says, and he blessed him not he took

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<v Speaker 2>leaves with yes, and that is exactly what it says

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<v Speaker 2>in the Hebrew.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct. It's a very interest. Well, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why this this translation amidst that fact.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very it's a very relevant point in thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>In verse thirty, the messenger, remember, he says bless me.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. My translation says at.

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<v Speaker 2>The end of verse thirty, and he took leave of

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<v Speaker 2>him there, But the Hebrew is.

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<v Speaker 3>And he blessed him there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let me just think, yes, I mean, it's what

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<v Speaker 2>it says I would have to know why it why

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<v Speaker 2>they gave this translation. Yes, thank you for making that point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, please, is there any explanation on verse twenty three?

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<v Speaker 3>Why why?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it wasn't born yet the twelfth. Ah, you're right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hold on Dina. That's right, because Dina is the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on two women. Yes, however, they're wrong. Whoever said

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<v Speaker 3>sons because it's not Banave, it's Kila Dave was his children.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that shows how much girls counted for. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's another example I gave it last time. Uh, that

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<v Speaker 3>is that is extraordinary point. I'm gonna have to really

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<v Speaker 3>call up some of my friends. That's a sad little

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<v Speaker 3>little point.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, hold on, and so who is only Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>was not yet born? Oh, then hold on if Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>and Benjamin are not born.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I said only Joseph was not born. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph was born.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, ben Jackson Benjamin is not born. Therefore that

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<v Speaker 2>would make it thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Therefore this would be and it says eleven man's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, I do, but he doesn't say anything about

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<v Speaker 3>it loves Oh, excuse me, he does. That's right. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how I missed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Only the principal actors and the evolution of the nation

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<v Speaker 2>are specified. Because Jacob is about to become Israel, the

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<v Speaker 2>personification of the tribal confederation. That is why Dina and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of his household are not mentioned. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, they didn't count. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just how many children do you have? And then

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<v Speaker 2>you gave the number of sons.

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<v Speaker 3>Very funny though, if a man had six daughters, how

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<v Speaker 3>many children you have none? That's a little disconcerting. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking a lot about the students of tension

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<v Speaker 3>and struggling with the mind and just being you're the

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<v Speaker 3>only one, and so many.

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<v Speaker 6>People just don't want to think.

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<v Speaker 3>They just be apt and they get back and forth

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<v Speaker 3>like a pendulum, and it seems possible. I mean you,

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<v Speaker 3>I think maybe you're a product. And to relate that

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<v Speaker 3>to yeshiva.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a way of encouraging this kind of you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, mental exercise.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, question, you don't. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She's saying that, by and large, people don't wanna struggle

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<v Speaker 2>and people don't wanna think, And.

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<v Speaker 3>It is true, it's almost right. It's almost a cliche.

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<v Speaker 3>Us and I don't wanna sound uh, condescending, which which

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<v Speaker 3>is how I guess it could come off.

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<v Speaker 2>But but but you're right, I'm most people. I I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I said that in passing, Although how do you account

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<v Speaker 2>for six hours is average home television watching? Whatever you

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<v Speaker 2>can say in d induction of thought and struggle is

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<v Speaker 2>not one of television's primary criteria. And the people watching

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<v Speaker 2>six hours are not watching you know, Meet the Press reruns,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, obviously they're they're they're watching you know, sitcoms

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<v Speaker 2>and movies and so on. Now, and as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it has a place entertainment. But yes, look, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you another example. I'll never forget. I've been to seventy countries,

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<v Speaker 2>and most of them alone. But I've had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of traveling and a lot of looking at people.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what I would do, especially if you're alone. What

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<v Speaker 3>else are you gonna do? And I remember major, major,

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<v Speaker 3>large parts of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I noticed was the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time people spend killing time just sitting just staring out,

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<v Speaker 2>playing cards, sitting with water pipes and schmoozing, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is nice, all of it. Again, I'm not I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Not on this, but these are these are things that

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I mean, you know, I sit and stare.

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<v Speaker 2>I sit and I play cards every so often. Of so,

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<v Speaker 2>I have my stereo magazines, I have my nonsense, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Place for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the amount of time that is done, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why we have why do we have a phrase killing time?

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<v Speaker 2>If people didn't do it so much? However, I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this because she made a very important point.

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<v Speaker 3>You made it. You might not have heard. If you

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<v Speaker 3>don't struggle with life and don't constantly think things through,

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<v Speaker 3>you will be far less in control of life. You

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<v Speaker 3>will just react at that moment, having not prepared yourself

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of thought. I have said this. That's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the big themes that I that I have talked

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<v Speaker 3>about on my show is the need for people to

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<v Speaker 3>develop what the Germans call a velt unshown, which in

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<v Speaker 3>English is a worldview.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to develop a worldview prior to tragedy, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't have a philosophy of life prior to tragedy,

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<v Speaker 2>you won't know how to deal with it. People very often,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, are bereft by not having worked through religious questions.

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<v Speaker 2>When a tragedy hits their life, they are ill prepared

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<v Speaker 2>they go, how.

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<v Speaker 3>Come religion doesn't help me? Now? How come God is irrelevant? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>If God and religion are irrelevant before a tragedy, then

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<v Speaker 2>it's too late unless you really get shaken up and

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<v Speaker 2>make very major efforts to take them seriously. But not

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<v Speaker 2>for comfort, but for reasons of philosophical training. In philosophical thought,

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<v Speaker 2>my argument is that you will have a much easier

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<v Speaker 2>life if you constantly think and constantly struggle. Then if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't, that's the irony. Because again, if I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a biblical source, the Psalmist who said those who

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<v Speaker 2>sow in tears will reap in joy, and there is

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<v Speaker 2>great truth to that. If you don't put in your

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<v Speaker 2>dues earlier, you will put in your dues later. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like rearing children. My view is, take a massive amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time to rear your child as best as possible,

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<v Speaker 2>so as if for no other reason, to avoid the

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<v Speaker 2>awfulness of when it's too late and you can't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything with your kids. The amount of time you can

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<v Speaker 2>really influence your children is basically very limited. So it

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<v Speaker 2>is such a time worthy of massive parental attention, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very difficult to give all that attention. You give

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot of social life, you give up certain

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<v Speaker 2>professional perks. But I think that you pay you get repaid.

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<v Speaker 2>Not in every case. There are people who sew in

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<v Speaker 2>tears and reap in tears. I acknowledge that, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>worth the struggle because the benefits are there in life

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. How do you balance that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think with your kabo, who's a happy man who

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<v Speaker 2>is content with his life? Yeah, he asked the question,

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<v Speaker 2>how do I balance that with the Talmudic statement who

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<v Speaker 2>is the happy man?

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<v Speaker 3>He was content with his lot?

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<v Speaker 2>They're talking actually about wealth. It doesn't really say who

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<v Speaker 2>is the happy man? It says who is the wealthy man?

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<v Speaker 3>And the answer is which is literally correct, The wealthy

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<v Speaker 3>person is the one who is content with his lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you have millions of dollars and you are

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<v Speaker 2>anxious about money, you are.

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<v Speaker 3>De facto poor.

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<v Speaker 2>You are in the same state as the impoverished person.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the same state economically, but the same state emotionally.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I often say the very poor and the

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<v Speaker 2>very rich have one thing in common. They're both obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with money.

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<v Speaker 3>So from an emotional standpoint, they are more or less

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<v Speaker 3>in the same boat. They're not in the same boat

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<v Speaker 3>obviously materially, but they're in the same boat in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of what their circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Have created in them. That's why you have to make

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<v Speaker 2>a very clear thing. I'm content if I can do

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<v Speaker 2>the following. I had a very early criterion in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I was content if I could, if I could buy

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<v Speaker 3>all the records and books I wanted. That struck me

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<v Speaker 3>as a millionaire's life. And that was and I really

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<v Speaker 3>had correct you.

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<v Speaker 2>And and there were times, very few, thank god, where

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even buy records, and it was very painful.

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<v Speaker 3>But so I knew the pain quotion.

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<v Speaker 2>But once I got to that point, the rest is

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<v Speaker 2>like gravy, okay, But you'll all make your own point.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously for others it's different things.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you get older, they it goes beyond records

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<v Speaker 2>and books, your mortgage.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, they's just a whole host of things.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, that's what the Talmud is speaking about.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep, eighty girls, that's right, child or theirs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she's making the point that to this moment, forget

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, to this moment, there are countries that don't

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<v Speaker 2>want girls, that do not value them. That's absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 2>I've written about it, and I've talked about it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is. It is one of the greatest ongoing evils

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<v Speaker 2>on this planet. And I'm very annoyed at women's organizations

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<v Speaker 2>for focusing on issues that I think are ten dimensions

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<v Speaker 2>less important than two massive evils against the female plitteridectomy,

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<v Speaker 2>which has taking place about seventy five to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million living girls and women, and the massive infanticide of

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<v Speaker 2>girls in some third world countries, particular India and.

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<v Speaker 3>China.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>You're confused about the status of women in the Torah

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<v Speaker 3>because on the one hand you had the power of

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<v Speaker 3>Rebecca and Sarah, and on the other hand, you see

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<v Speaker 3>how like a dean isn't even counted or right and

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<v Speaker 3>so on.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not contradictory. The woman in real life is depicted

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<v Speaker 2>as capable as a male. But it was a very

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<v Speaker 2>patriarchal society where what mattered.

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<v Speaker 3>In such a society was the sons.

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<v Speaker 2>But that didn't mean that the female from the Torah perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>from perhaps even ancient the patriarch's perspective at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't mean that the view of the woman was

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<v Speaker 2>that she was any less capable.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it might sound like a living contradiction.

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<v Speaker 2>If women are fully as capable as men, indeed in

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<v Speaker 2>many cases more capable, then how could you not count them?

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not a contradictory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's contradictory from our perspective because we believe that all

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<v Speaker 2>people are created equal and should be regarding every way

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<v Speaker 2>politically and socially.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is brand new, brand new.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in this century women couldn't vote in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>which was that there was more or less the height

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<v Speaker 2>of enlightenment on this planet. I mean, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>what we need perspective, It is not contradictory. What is

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable to me is not that women girls weren'tcountered like boys.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that you have that's all of the world

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<v Speaker 3>until it outgrew it. What is amazing is that women

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<v Speaker 3>are depicted as capable as they are. See.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have to in a sense, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to invert the normal way of thinking. People say, how

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<v Speaker 2>could Thomas Jefferson keep slaves? As one historian I recently

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<v Speaker 2>read put it and I think was much more revealing question.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is now not how kad Thomas Jefferson keeps

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<v Speaker 2>slaves everybody kept slaves.

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<v Speaker 3>The question was, how could a.

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<v Speaker 2>Man who kept slaves argue that all men are created equal?

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<v Speaker 3>You get it. That's the point. It's not how could

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<v Speaker 3>they think that girls were less equal?

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<v Speaker 2>Is how does this book, written at that time depict

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<v Speaker 2>women as so equal in their capacity as men were.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's remarkable, and that is why.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately, the traditions influenced by Judaism and Christianity are the

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<v Speaker 2>traditions that elevated women. There is the status of women

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<v Speaker 2>in Judeo Christian Western society, with all its problems and

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<v Speaker 2>all its flaws, and all its sexism and all the

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<v Speaker 2>other bad things. The fact is, compared to Earth, not

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<v Speaker 2>compared to an ideal in one's mind, was elevated the

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<v Speaker 2>woman's status beyond all other groups. That's just the fact.

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<v Speaker 2>And this book started it. It's a very very very

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<v Speaker 2>long process. Give you an example. You all know how

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<v Speaker 2>much rape takes place in war. My God, look at

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<v Speaker 2>Bosnia right happening tragically and awfully as I talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet in this book, in Deuteronomy, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>law that when Jews are in a war and they

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<v Speaker 2>capture a woman, a soldier captures a woman and he's

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<v Speaker 2>attracted to her.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what he does. He has to take her.

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<v Speaker 2>Home, let her mourn her family for thirty days, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he can take her as a wife.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that is incredible, incredible. Women are part of

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<v Speaker 3>war's booty.

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<v Speaker 2>You get gold, you get jewelry, you get girls. That's

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<v Speaker 2>part of what war was about. And here's a book

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<v Speaker 2>that says, wait a minute, brilliantly, it didn't say don't

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<v Speaker 2>rape women. If it would have said don't rape women

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<v Speaker 2>in war, it would have mattered very little.

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<v Speaker 3>What it says is, oh, you want.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman, no problem, Just let her mourn her parents

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty days.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you can have her. Now, who the hell is

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<v Speaker 3>going to rape her? After thirty days, she's sitting in

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<v Speaker 3>your house crying over her mother. And then oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>thirty days are up, let's go to ben. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that was the genius of it. It said, oh, Jewish soul,

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<v Speaker 3>you want the girl, no problem, after thirty days of

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<v Speaker 3>morning her parents.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, this is what elevated the status. It took

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<v Speaker 2>a long time that there's a law in the Torah

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<v Speaker 2>about you can't just say, as in much of the

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<v Speaker 2>ancient world, you want a man wanted a divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye, so long, get out of my tent. Now, get

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<v Speaker 3>the out of here is a form of divorce and

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<v Speaker 3>much of the ancient world.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, he had to write what's called a bill of divorcement,

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<v Speaker 2>which immediately meant that he can't do He had to

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<v Speaker 2>go to court, which meant that he couldn't do it impetuously.

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<v Speaker 2>It meant that society had a role in whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not you could have dissolve your marriage. These were massive

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<v Speaker 2>things in this book that elevated the status of women.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, but it lived in a certain time.

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<v Speaker 1>And Tomorrow's Sunday fireside chat.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like you to ask your child if your child

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<v Speaker 3>is five or fifty, I want you to ask this question, ready,

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<v Speaker 3>but you got to get the wording. You have to

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<v Speaker 3>memorize the wording. What do you think I your father

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<v Speaker 3>or I your mother most want you to be?

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<v Speaker 4>Not?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you most want to be? What do you

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<v Speaker 3>think I your parent most want you to be? Happy? Successful, smart,

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<v Speaker 3>or good?

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<v Speaker 1>Join us tomorrow to hear more on Timeless Wisdom with

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Prager. This has been Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager.

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