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Speaker 3: This is Kurt Schlicker and I am the guest host
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Speaker 2: Why? Being joined by my pal Jim Garretty.
Speaker 3: He is the senior political correspondent over at National Review Online.
Speaker 2: Jim, Welcome to the Hue Hewitt Show.
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Kirk, Happy impending new year.
Speaker 5: And I got to say, Suicide Commandos is my favorite
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Speaker 2: Nice Nice, oh man. Jim.
Speaker 3: You and I have been good friends for a long time.
Speaker 3: We disagree on a lot of things about Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: but let me ask you something. You know, the vibe
Speaker 3: seems to be shifting here. And I wrote about this
Speaker 3: at town Hall the other day that the economic news
Speaker 3: is good, there are great things happening in foreign policy.
Speaker 3: We may very well see Maduro go down, followed by
Speaker 3: those sobs in Cuba, of which I have a personal
Speaker 3: interest in seeing, swinging from a lamppost. And it looks
Speaker 3: like Iran, where the IRGC is now using live ammunition
Speaker 3: to try and hold onto power that may fall too.
Speaker 3: If all that falls, Trump's gonna be looking pretty good, right, Kurt.
Speaker 5: Not only would he be looking pretty good, I would
Speaker 5: say he's the greatest neo conservative president of all time,
Speaker 5: taking mantle from George W. Bush Job semi seriously. I
Speaker 5: love Democrats and Republicans had said Iran must not have
Speaker 5: a nuclear program, and you know, year by year, decade
Speaker 5: by decade, the Iranians kept inching closer and closer, and
Speaker 5: what I think was probably one of the best decisions
Speaker 5: the president made all year. We did the bombing operation
Speaker 5: and it's now been set back probably at least two years.
Speaker 5: And the Iranian nuclear program is under a giant file
Speaker 5: of rubble.
Speaker 4: So there's that.
Speaker 5: So I'll give credit and for all of this, you know,
Speaker 5: the if Maduro goes down by the way, the earlier
Speaker 5: this week, the Iranian Supreme Ayatola said that we were
Speaker 5: in a state of total war with them.
Speaker 3: Kurt, had you noticed, oh well, I think I would
Speaker 3: have noticed a state of total war.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it says.
Speaker 5: Something if like Iran has not been in the news
Speaker 5: since the bombing operation about halfway through the year.
Speaker 4: Every once in a while they come out and they
Speaker 4: rattle the saber and.
Speaker 2: And all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But really this is actually like, yeah, it is just
Speaker 5: an observation that they need to remind to the world.
Speaker 5: Oh no, we're still fighting the Great Satan. We haven't
Speaker 5: stopped that one bit. And you know, what we're seeing
Speaker 5: right now reminds me a bit of two thousand and nine,
Speaker 5: the Green Revolution, the uprising there.
Speaker 4: The president of Alma did.
Speaker 5: Not take a very particularly strong stance of and effectively
Speaker 5: save the Iranian regime.
Speaker 4: I know Trump will not be doing the same.
Speaker 5: I hope the Iranian people can topple rulers who have
Speaker 5: been abusing them for a very long time. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna get my hopes too high about this. We've seen
Speaker 5: this sort of thing happened before. But boy, would not
Speaker 5: be a wonderful way to ring in twenty twenty six with.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would love it. And frankly, the Iranians are
Speaker 3: building bridges to America right now. We have joined forces
Speaker 3: against Canada, which the Iranians just recently declared the Royal
Speaker 3: Canadian Navy to be a terrorist organization, So you know
Speaker 3: there's a shot at unity. But Jim, let me ask
Speaker 3: you some about this Somali fraud thing, because to me,
Speaker 3: it's the gift that on giving. It's a great big
Speaker 3: cactus thorn covered suppository for our Democrat friends going into
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: How do you think this is going to play?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the very first thing that I
Speaker 5: ever wrote about Tim Walls, in fact, I went and
Speaker 5: looked it up July twenty ninth, twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 5: I said that there was no way Kamala Harris was
Speaker 5: going to pick Tim Walls, because the entire Minnesota state
Speaker 5: government had had one egregiously embarrassing fraud scandal after another,
Speaker 5: and no one in their right mind would ever pick
Speaker 5: Tim Walls because he's such a he's nowhere near prepared
Speaker 5: to be the next president of the United States. At
Speaker 5: heart a heartbeat away. Well, I completely erroneously botch that one.
Speaker 5: But Kurt, how much would you have been saying if
Speaker 5: I had said to you, by the time we get
Speaker 5: to the end of twenty twenty five on the Harris
Speaker 5: Walls campaign, Harris will be perceived as the smart one.
Speaker 5: Would you have taken that bet at any point in twenty.
Speaker 2: Twenty four I would have left money on the table.
Speaker 3: Jim Garrity of next Door Review on like, what's this
Speaker 3: strange new respect for Kamala Harris got maybe in comparison
Speaker 3: to Tim Walls, I don't understand it's leading a race.
Speaker 2: Such as it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's name recognition. I actually don't think that's a
Speaker 5: particularly a huge deal. One more point on Walls that
Speaker 5: I think was drastically undercovered, and it's not the biggest
Speaker 5: aspect of this, but I think it's a revealing one.
Speaker 5: Back in November, Minnesota's legislator has this thing called the
Speaker 5: Office of the Legislative Order, whose job is to audit
Speaker 5: state spending, and unsurprisingly it's one of the things that
Speaker 5: has found a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of these fraud scandals.
Speaker 5: Right, they did an audit of the offices of governor Walls,
Speaker 5: Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, right from twenty twenty two to
Speaker 5: the end of last year of twenty twenty four, basically
Speaker 5: looking at all kinds of spending, all kinds of basics,
Speaker 5: right and unsurprisingly, they found a whole bunch of errors
Speaker 5: and a whole bunch of things that were not taken
Speaker 5: care of in very basic stuff like keeping track of receipts,
Speaker 5: time sheets, holidayly if lee payments, adventory, reimbursements, and payments
Speaker 5: to vendors, all kinds stuff.
Speaker 4: And somebody might be like, oh, who cares about that stuff.
Speaker 5: That's you know, small potatoes compared to these billions of dollars.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to disbute that, but I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna observe, if you're the governor of Minnesota, how your
Speaker 5: office runs is one of the few things you absolutely control.
Speaker 5: This is not a matter of you have to work
Speaker 5: with the state legislature. This is the basic put it
Speaker 5: in terms he would understand. This is the basic blocking
Speaker 5: and tackling of management. And Tim Walls and his Lieutenant
Speaker 5: Governor Peggy flan again, who is running for Senate.
Speaker 4: Both were terrible at this.
Speaker 5: So it's not like, oh, we couldn't keep track of
Speaker 5: that stuff because you know, it was all in these
Speaker 5: office buildings far off of mini app.
Speaker 4: They couldn't keep track of.
Speaker 5: What was going on in their own office, which is
Speaker 5: like a demonstration. Like Tim Walsley, Boy, he's got that
Speaker 5: folkseness and he talks about how he knows how to
Speaker 5: fix the carburetor and all.
Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. He can't manage.
Speaker 5: And when I say he can't manage, I don't just
Speaker 5: mean he can't work with the legislature on running the
Speaker 5: executive branch. He can't manage things in his own office
Speaker 5: on Like, is everybody filling out their time sheets? Is
Speaker 5: everybody filling out the right paperwork for reimbursement?
Speaker 7: Like this is.
Speaker 5: Kurt, you're at a law firm. I am sure you
Speaker 5: had to do all this stuff. Yes, you were earning
Speaker 5: your law firm.
Speaker 3: I did, and I matched not that any fraudulate daycare
Speaker 3: centers in my general location.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 5: I'm going to guess almost everybody who's ever worked in
Speaker 5: an office has had.
Speaker 4: To do you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta fill out your time sheet. Yeah, if
Speaker 5: you're a guy to leave, you gotta fill out the
Speaker 5: right kind of all this stuff is kind of basic,
Speaker 5: and none of this was taking care of that. You know,
Speaker 5: the report is out there, I'm posted on on state website,
Speaker 5: and it just is it just kind of struck me
Speaker 5: as an example of people who are on the left
Speaker 5: side of the spectrum have these grandiose desires of how
Speaker 5: government can take care of health care. They want to do,
Speaker 5: you know, obviously a grand expansion of childcare.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 5: The government should take on bigger and more extensive roles
Speaker 5: in governments to take care of things.
Speaker 4: But they can't take care of the basics. And why
Speaker 4: are you asking.
Speaker 5: For more money from me and more authority over me
Speaker 5: if you can't take care of these basics.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's uh. I mean, that's the purpose
Speaker 3: of the Democrat Party to generate money for its constituents
Speaker 3: so they stay loyal. Jim, we got out thirty seconds
Speaker 3: left right now, how do you think? How do you
Speaker 3: think twenty twenty six is gonna go in the mid terms.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of optimistic. I think if the economy's kicking,
Speaker 3: the Republicans could in fact increase their margin.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be rough. Part of it is
Speaker 4: the high retirement rate, the redistricting wars might mitigate that
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 5: I think the Democrats may over interpret Mom Damie and
Speaker 5: nominate a bunch of you know, left wing nut jobs
Speaker 5: here and there.
Speaker 4: But look, it's a midterm It very rarely goes well
Speaker 4: to the president's party. So well, I'm not as optimistic
Speaker 4: as you.
Speaker 3: Bert Well, thank you, Jim Garrity. Happy new Year to
Speaker 3: you and your family. Always great to talk to my
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Speaker 3: here on the Huewit Show by David Drucker, the senior
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Speaker 3: Drucker. David, Welcome to Hugh Hewitt Show. Good to see it, Kurt,
Speaker 3: I am positively giddy over this smally fraud ring thing
Speaker 3: that's happening up in Mogadisha, I mean Minneapolis. It validates
Speaker 3: the Republicans on immigration, on government corruption, on the inability
Speaker 3: of Blue officials to adequately manage government. It is a
Speaker 3: win win win for Republicans. Do you think I'm overplaying it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it depends on how you're looking at.
Speaker 9: I mean, could it cause problems for Governor Walls in
Speaker 9: his re election in twenty twenty six. I mean, it's
Speaker 9: the kind of thing that should right. Whenever you're the
Speaker 9: chief executive in this level of corruption or fraud happens
Speaker 9: on your watch, you should be held.
Speaker 8: Responsible, responsible by the voters. That doesn't always happen these days.
Speaker 9: But we will see doesn't have legs beyond the many
Speaker 9: the Minnesota governor's race. I'm doubtful, but you know, we'll
Speaker 9: have to see.
Speaker 3: Well, David Drucker, I'm feeling a vibe shift here. I
Speaker 3: wrote that at town Hall on my Monday column. We
Speaker 3: have a Trafalgar report out polling fifty percent approval forty
Speaker 3: four percent disapproval for Trump. The Morning Console just came
Speaker 3: out with a poll has the economic indicators that the
Speaker 3: most optimistic numbers in five years. Gas prices are down,
Speaker 3: egg prices are down, meat price is still high. I
Speaker 3: think things are getting better for the Republicans. Is Trump's
Speaker 3: economic policies get online again?
Speaker 2: Am I lost? Am I misguided?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Any We're gonna have to see.
Speaker 8: I mean, look, I'm polling.
Speaker 9: I pay attention to the averages, not any particular poll,
Speaker 9: whether you know, whether you like the poll or hate
Speaker 9: the poll. I just wouldn't pay attention to any one
Speaker 9: particular poll. But the averages, the real clear politics average
Speaker 9: is something to pay attention to.
Speaker 8: That's number one.
Speaker 9: I think number two just we're going to have to
Speaker 9: see in the polling how people feel about the economy.
Speaker 9: The indicators are less important than how people feel. They're
Speaker 9: important in that if the indicators are good, then you know,
Speaker 9: theoretically eventually people will feel good about the economy. But
Speaker 9: we've often seen the macro indicators at odds with people's
Speaker 9: you know, current lived experience. I mean that's that was
Speaker 9: true in twenty twenty four, when a lot of the
Speaker 9: macro indicators were good but people were unhappy about inflation,
Speaker 9: and that's one of the reasons why President Trump is
Speaker 9: back in the White House.
Speaker 8: So we're just going to have to see.
Speaker 9: I mean, from everything that we're seeing broadly, Democrats are
Speaker 9: still in a good position for the midterm elections, but
Speaker 9: it's very early. Things can change, and so let's see
Speaker 9: how voters feel about the president's handling of the economy,
Speaker 9: how they feel about the cost of living broadly, which
Speaker 9: is a bigger issue than just inflation and the price
Speaker 9: of groceries. It's been the biggest issue that they care
Speaker 9: about in every poll we've seen this year. But let's
Speaker 9: see how twenty twenty six looks.
Speaker 3: Well, David Drucker, you know, personnel, everything starts with people.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty six. In the midterms, it all starts
Speaker 3: with candidates. We have kind of an odd dynamic. We
Speaker 3: have a lot of Republicans, and not all of them,
Speaker 3: you know, the kind of soft establishment Republicans that drive
Speaker 3: me up a wall, but some harder ones are retiring.
Speaker 3: We were in the process of selecting some candidates. Democrats
Speaker 3: are too, but you know, it doesn't look like you know,
Speaker 3: it looks like they just threw away the Texas opportunity.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jasmine Crockett gets crushed no matter who wins
Speaker 3: in the primary there. How do you think the Propublicans
Speaker 3: are going to do as things start getting better with
Speaker 3: candidates selection? And how do you think the Democrats are
Speaker 3: going to do when they have pressure from the left
Speaker 3: with this Mondamie fascination.
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, you know from what we've seen so far,
Speaker 9: and here's what I would say. First of all, I
Speaker 9: wouldn't rule out James Tallerico in the Texas Democratic primary.
Speaker 9: He's definitely going to be more competitive than Jasmine Crockett.
Speaker 9: In my view, It's still a really tough race for Democrats.
Speaker 9: Whether the atmosphere is good for Democrats or bad for
Speaker 9: it's just a tough race for them in Texas. But
Speaker 9: Talla Rico certainly makes it a little bit more interesting.
Speaker 9: So let's see how that primary plays out. There are
Speaker 9: a lot of primaries coming up, and I'd say both parties,
Speaker 9: you know, have some good candidates, they have some clunkers.
Speaker 9: Let's see who wins these primaries, and that's going to
Speaker 9: tell us a lot about some of these races. In
Speaker 9: twenty twenty six, the Democrats managed to nominate some really
Speaker 9: good candidates for governor in Virginia and New Jersey in
Speaker 9: twenty twenty five. Right, And Mam Donnie is this is
Speaker 9: this odd bird in that he was a perfect fit
Speaker 9: for liberals in New York. We haven't yet seen replicas
Speaker 9: of him elsewhere. Both parties are going to face pressure
Speaker 9: from their wings. They always do, and so it's just,
Speaker 9: you know, it's just a matter of where these people win. Right,
Speaker 9: If you nominate somebody like Maundani in Virginia New Jersey,
Speaker 9: you have problems. If you nominate him in New York City,
Speaker 9: not a problem. And I could say that about you know,
Speaker 9: center right candidates as well. There are certain red states
Speaker 9: or red districts where you can have everything as a
Speaker 9: you know, conservative or a populist that you ever wanted
Speaker 9: in somebody. But in a swing district you want somebody
Speaker 9: who's broad a repeal. We're just gonna have to see
Speaker 9: how it plays out.
Speaker 3: Well, David Drucker, I'm actually a little concerned about one
Speaker 3: of the points that you raised. I don't think that
Speaker 3: the governor candidates in New Jersey or Virginia were particularly
Speaker 3: exceptional at all, and they just crushed the Republican was
Speaker 3: that part of the zeitgeist at the time. Was it
Speaker 3: that they face bad candidates? And I don't think the
Speaker 3: New Jersey candidate was bad. I think the Virginia candidate
Speaker 3: was bad. I'm kind of worried.
Speaker 9: I was in New Jersey and then the Republican nominee
Speaker 9: there was a good candidate that the Republican nominee in
Speaker 9: Virginia was particularly weak. But I would say span Burger
Speaker 9: and Cheryl were both exceptional candidates who have a lot
Speaker 9: of real life skill. They talked about the number one
Speaker 9: thing that voters wanted to talk about, and that was
Speaker 9: affordability and their concerns and pressures about the cost of living.
Speaker 4: They did a very good job.
Speaker 9: Doesn't mean that they would make stellar presidential candidates, I
Speaker 9: don't know, but they were very good gubernatorial candidates.
Speaker 4: I've covered them for quite a while.
Speaker 9: I covered Spanburger's first race for the House of Representatives
Speaker 9: in twenty eighteen. A lot of good political instincts, a
Speaker 9: lot of broad appeal to swing voters and soft partisans.
Speaker 9: They ran really solid races. I had some criticisms of
Speaker 9: span Burger in terms of how she handled the trans
Speaker 9: trans women and women's sports issue, but they ended up
Speaker 9: running strategically the race they needed to run, and she
Speaker 9: didn't just win, she crushed. But I'd say that she
Speaker 9: deserves some of the credit there. Cheryl deserves a lot
Speaker 9: of the credit. So don't feel that bad.
Speaker 7: I guess that is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, David M. Drunker, Happy New Year. It is always
Speaker 3: great to talk to you. When I Kurt Schlicker get
Speaker 3: to guest. Ho's here on the Hugh Hewitt Show. I
Speaker 3: want you to stick around. We have a lot more
Speaker 3: to come. Welcome back to Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guest
Speaker 3: Hos Kurt Schlicker. Yeah, I was an Army colonel. I'm
Speaker 3: a senior commentence at town Hall dot com and the
Speaker 3: author of Panama Red, which you should go get at Amazon.
Speaker 3: And of course for about thirty years I was a
Speaker 3: trial lawyer. But you know, when I had a First
Speaker 3: Amendment case, I wasn't going to take on myself.
Speaker 2: Who did I call?
Speaker 3: I called the best First Amendment best political lawyer I
Speaker 3: knew anywhere, and that's har Meat Dylan. Harmeat Dylan is
Speaker 3: now the Assistant Attorney General for so Rights and she's
Speaker 3: joining us on the Hugh Hewitt Show.
Speaker 2: Hi, Harmy, how are you doing.
Speaker 10: I'm great, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Kurt, Well, I have to ask you.
Speaker 3: I keep seeing on Twitter all these people who have
Speaker 3: your wonderful knit caps, and I'm wondering what I have
Speaker 3: to do to get a Hermie Dylan nit cap. Don't
Speaker 3: say come work for me at Civil Rights Division.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we could use some help at the Civil Rights Division,
Speaker 10: the top tier of leadership. They're all qualified for the
Speaker 10: nit hats, but I'll definitely put you in consideration for
Speaker 10: the list.
Speaker 3: Oh excellent, And before we go on, you got tell
Speaker 3: us what tell us what the Civil Rights Division does
Speaker 3: and how you're reorienting it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 10: The Civil Rights Division is one of the most sizable
Speaker 10: and important parts of main justice, and we are responsible
Speaker 10: for administering all of the federal civil rights laws, very
Speaker 10: broadly construed to include, but not limited to, all the
Speaker 10: federal voting rights laws, disability to discrimination, discrimination in prisons
Speaker 10: and housing and employment, and gosh, you know a few
Speaker 10: other areas Voting Rights Act and some others, and some
Speaker 10: obscure ones you haven't heard of. We are also responsible
Speaker 10: for hate crime prosecutions involving violence against people on the
Speaker 10: basis of protected characteristics, and this administration this has meant
Speaker 10: a very sizable uptick in work to protect religious liberties
Speaker 10: and fight against attacks on churches, synagogues, and other houses
Speaker 10: of worship. And so, you know, normally in a Republican administration, Kurt,
Speaker 10: the Civil Rights Division just kind of tries to downshift
Speaker 10: the left wing nonsense that the prior administration has been
Speaker 10: doing and really just not have much of its own agenda.
Speaker 10: But what the President and the Attorney General asked me
Speaker 10: to do is really lead a activist civil rights division.
Speaker 10: And so we, I think it's fair to say, in
Speaker 10: our mind not less than nine months in office, have
Speaker 10: been among the most if not the most active and
Speaker 10: filing cases and putting points on the board of any
Speaker 10: Republican administration in history in the Civil Rights Division.
Speaker 3: Well, Armi Dylan, I've been so impressed at how how
Speaker 3: responsive you are in your division to things that are
Speaker 3: happening kind of in the social media world, things that
Speaker 3: have become visible and kind of irrupt, and then the
Speaker 3: DJ is on it.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, we've discovered, you know, this place is.
Speaker 3: Preventing, you know, allowing men in women's locker rooms, and
Speaker 3: you know it becomes it becomes a thing on social media,
Speaker 3: and then suddenly the DJ is there going, yes, we're
Speaker 3: aware of this, now we're investigating. That's kind of revolutionary
Speaker 3: to be that responsive.
Speaker 10: Well, I think that's correct. I mean there are a
Speaker 10: couple of reasons for that. First of all, lawyers are
Speaker 10: kind of fuddy duddies about using the Internet and being engaged.
Speaker 10: And you know, you and I are among the few
Speaker 10: on the right who have been both successful lawyers and
Speaker 10: also very actively engaged on social media. It's usually one
Speaker 10: or the other.
Speaker 8: And so I am. I have a.
Speaker 10: Big social media following from before I joined the DJ
Speaker 10: and about one point five million plus followers online, and
Speaker 10: so I do find it a very valuable tool because
Speaker 10: you have to keep up, and so it is a
Speaker 10: way to find information today. I don't actually watch television
Speaker 10: very much. I'm not you know, I don't have the
Speaker 10: TV on in the background because TV is like twelve
Speaker 10: to twenty four hours behind what's really happening.
Speaker 7: And when the.
Speaker 10: Modern day journalist heroes who are the Nick Shirley's and
Speaker 10: you know, the Matt Tamy's and some of these others
Speaker 10: who you know, right or left, they're the ones who
Speaker 10: are getting the leads and sharing the stories in real time.
Speaker 10: Those are the ones I pay attention to and where
Speaker 10: we get our attention on something. Our libs of TikTok
Speaker 10: is also a great source for some of our issues
Speaker 10: involving schools or employment. We do open up investigations based
Speaker 10: on Internet leads, and I am proud of that. And
Speaker 10: I got mocked a little bit by prior pearl clutching
Speaker 10: DOJ officials and even some former Republican members of Congress.
Speaker 10: I think it's quote unquote not serious to be online
Speaker 10: and engaging with the public. Well, I think it is serious.
Speaker 10: I think it is a public calling and a duty,
Speaker 10: and I'm pleased with how much work we've been able
Speaker 10: to do. And by the way, sometimes simply tweeting about
Speaker 10: something or writing a letter stops at dead in its tracks.
Speaker 10: I've stopped a ridiculous DEI program at Asheville, North Carolina
Speaker 10: by reading about it online, responding to a internet journalist whistleblower,
Speaker 10: sending a letter in boom no no, no shots fired
Speaker 10: in court because they simply stopped what they were doing.
Speaker 10: And so that is really effectiveness and action, and that's
Speaker 10: what people should expect from their government officials.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the problems that you've had, Harmeat Dylan,
Speaker 3: is a lot of the lawyers in your division simply quit.
Speaker 3: They chose to retire. They wouldn't work for you, and
Speaker 3: like the didn't like the new politics and didn't like
Speaker 3: the new direction.
Speaker 2: So you guys are.
Speaker 3: Being unbelievably active with a much smaller group.
Speaker 2: I think that any.
Speaker 3: Young lawyer, any lawyer in their first ten year or
Speaker 3: even after, would benefit immeasurably for coming and working in
Speaker 3: your organization.
Speaker 2: What do you have?
Speaker 3: You know, how easy is it to come in and
Speaker 3: work for you if you're a qualified lawyer who wants
Speaker 3: to go and make a real difference.
Speaker 10: Well that's a great question. So yes, I think it's
Speaker 10: a mixed bag because two thirds of the lawyers or
Speaker 10: so maybe even seventy five percent quit because it did
Speaker 10: not like our direction, which was directed towards the White
Speaker 10: House's priorities. So in a way it's good because they
Speaker 10: got out of the way. But we do need to
Speaker 10: replace those people with patriots for willing to do the work,
Speaker 10: and a lot of the work we do is a
Speaker 10: political kurt enforcing our Americans with Disabilities Act or Housing
Speaker 10: violations or protecting our veterans and our service members from discrimination.
Speaker 10: This should not be very controversial, or my goodness, working
Speaker 10: on anti semitism issues. And so we are actually hiring
Speaker 10: quite a few people in both the beginnings of their
Speaker 10: careers and the ends of their careers. And you know,
Speaker 10: I'm really proud of that. And so quite a few
Speaker 10: lawyers have come to us who are late in their
Speaker 10: careers and they are you able to work to achieve
Speaker 10: things that they couldn't do in private practice and just
Speaker 10: finish off their careers with a bang, closing down out
Speaker 10: of date consent decrees and things like that. And so
Speaker 10: you know, we will take people of all backgrounds, all
Speaker 10: levels of their careers. We just are looking to hire
Speaker 10: good lawyers. They're going to get great experience, they will
Speaker 10: be making a difference because the work that we're doing
Speaker 10: is literally in the headlines every single day, and as
Speaker 10: part of this administration's priorities.
Speaker 3: Well, I got to tell you if I now, I
Speaker 3: have not built a single hour of law in over
Speaker 3: a year, and I am so excited about that.
Speaker 2: I'm moving on to other things.
Speaker 3: But if I was still a name partner at a
Speaker 3: firm and somebody walked in with your experience on the resume.
Speaker 3: I work for har Meat Dylan at Civil Rights Holy Cow.
Speaker 3: I swoop them up trial experience, negotiation experience.
Speaker 2: I mean that is golden stuff.
Speaker 3: So if you know a lawyer out there audience, a
Speaker 3: young lawyer who wants who wants to build experience, contact
Speaker 3: Harmony Dylan, get out there and get hired. How does
Speaker 3: someone do that, har Meat.
Speaker 10: Well, they go to USA Jobs dot gov and then
Speaker 10: search for Civil Rights. We're hiring for all different levels
Speaker 10: and all different kinds of lawyers. We have particular needs,
Speaker 10: and our election litigation is extremely busy. Our DEI dismantling
Speaker 10: programs in both employment and in other areas like government
Speaker 10: contracting and education are very busy. I've personally negotiated almost
Speaker 10: half a billion dollars of settlements with American universities that
Speaker 10: we're engaged in DEI and that that work is going
Speaker 10: to continue next year, and you can take a leadership role.
Speaker 10: And the work is so important that we're doing. We
Speaker 10: go to the White House frequently for meetings and the
Speaker 10: top leadership and we are actively engaged. I mean, on
Speaker 10: any given week, I'm talking to Cabinet members about different
Speaker 10: issues and working collaboratively with them and their general counsels
Speaker 10: to solve problems for all Americans. And we consider that
Speaker 10: to be our charge. We work for all Americans, not
Speaker 10: just sort of the woke few who are getting their
Speaker 10: AX scored for the last few decades. And that is revolutionary.
Speaker 10: I mean, the idea that we're treating white men as
Speaker 10: protected under our civil rights laws is anathema to the
Speaker 10: people who plit and there.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Harmony Dylan. I got to tell you, if.
Speaker 3: You're a young lawyer you want to work for Harmony,
Speaker 3: it ain't going to be easy. It's going to be hard,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna love every mind of it. I'm guess
Speaker 3: host Kurt Schlichter. Stick around. We're back on the UWIT Show.
Speaker 3: I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter, senior calmnist town Hall dot Com,
Speaker 3: former trial lawyer, retired.
Speaker 2: United States Army colonel.
Speaker 3: I'm joined by doctor Michael worn who's the founder of
Speaker 3: the Israel Advocacy Group and the go to guy for
Speaker 3: everything Israel here on the UUAGE Show.
Speaker 2: Doctor Rorn, welcome, good.
Speaker 7: To be with the Kurt Hey and happy New Year.
Speaker 2: Well, happy New Year to you too.
Speaker 3: It seems like you're always the perfect guy to talk
Speaker 3: to because there's always something happening, uh in the Middle East.
Speaker 3: And obviously, uh, you know, I thought yesterday the big
Speaker 3: the big deal was going to be Netanyahu meeting with Trump,
Speaker 3: turns out to be Iran and uh, the latest threat
Speaker 3: to the Mullas.
Speaker 2: How do you assess that? And what what should Israel
Speaker 2: and the United States rule be?
Speaker 11: Okay, good, two good questions. What's happening has happened before.
Speaker 11: There have been uprises in the past, but never under
Speaker 11: circumstances so dire for the regime. The value of the
Speaker 11: Iranian currencies down sixty percent, there's no electricity, there's no water.
Speaker 11: It is quite dire. Corruption is rampant, and and certainly
Speaker 11: the American and international sanctions have exacerbated that situation.
Speaker 7: So the regime is in bad shape. It's been in
Speaker 7: bad shape before, going back to.
Speaker 11: Two thousand and nine, June two thousand and nine, there
Speaker 11: was the Green Revolution remember.
Speaker 2: That one, yep.
Speaker 11: And after that there was the Women's Revolution in twenty
Speaker 11: twenty two. So there have been times that had a revolution.
Speaker 11: Every time the Iranian regime pulls out the stops, they
Speaker 11: have these thugs called the besiege who go out there
Speaker 11: with you know, truncheons and bash people's head in or
Speaker 11: simply kill them in the streets, and they're what they're
Speaker 11: going to do that this time.
Speaker 7: The big question is, you say, Curtis, what's the United
Speaker 7: States going to do? What is Israel going to do?
Speaker 11: Where Israel is always backed these revolution in back the
Speaker 11: Green Revolution in two thousand and nine, Arab back the
Speaker 11: Women's Resolution in twenty twenty two, the big question is
Speaker 11: the United States Back in two thousand and nine, President
Speaker 11: Obama said I'm.
Speaker 7: Not going to help these people.
Speaker 11: He was trying to reach a nuclear deal with the regime,
Speaker 11: and President Biden didn't help them either. So the big
Speaker 11: question is will Donald Trump, in view of what he
Speaker 11: said yesterday that he is.
Speaker 7: Really putting down a red line for Iran. It's saying
Speaker 7: that Iran would.
Speaker 11: Face a green light in the United States for Israel
Speaker 11: tact to graded Iran should he run try to rebuild
Speaker 11: its missile capability, to certainly its nuclear program. And the
Speaker 11: United States is keeping on the table a credible military response,
Speaker 11: call a military threat, that's extraordinary, and believe me, the
Speaker 11: Runians are take that very very seriously, I think the
Speaker 11: United States and Israel should give their support.
Speaker 7: Maybe not active support.
Speaker 11: But say, listen, if there's a change of regime in Tehran,
Speaker 11: nothing can make us happier.
Speaker 3: Well, doctor Roran, I'm looking at the courses of action
Speaker 3: brief for the president. One is to tamp this down.
Speaker 3: That's the one that Biden and Obama took. The other
Speaker 3: is kind of stay the core, see what happens. Then
Speaker 3: there's covert support for the revolutionaries. Then there's overt support.
Speaker 3: I could see taking down the IRGC buildings. I could
Speaker 3: see taking tactical sites for the CG, these internal security
Speaker 3: gestapo types. Do you think there's any room for that
Speaker 3: kind of aggressive support.
Speaker 7: I think keeping it under the radar is the best
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 11: I tell you why that if you strike national institutions,
Speaker 11: even if they're hated national institutions, it tends to rally
Speaker 11: the people around the government, and we saw that for
Speaker 11: a period after the June War our last summer. So
Speaker 11: I would keep it low profile right now, but certainly
Speaker 11: keep it substantial and let the people in the street
Speaker 11: know that they're not alone. Then I States has their backs,
Speaker 11: and I said it did not have their back during
Speaker 11: previous revolutions.
Speaker 3: Well, when you say have their back, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of different There's a difference between moral support and actual
Speaker 3: material support. Do you think the United States, through its
Speaker 3: covert forces should introduce weapons into Iran to allow them
Speaker 3: to actually confront these guys? There is our reports that
Speaker 3: the RGC is using live ammunition against people. I think
Speaker 3: it might be hard for America to sit back if
Speaker 3: you know freedom marchers are being butchered in the streets
Speaker 3: by these seventh century savages.
Speaker 11: Well, some isolations United States may say just that this
Speaker 11: is not our business, so why should we get involved in?
Speaker 11: This is too dangerous. But there are many different types
Speaker 11: of aid you can give to groups like this. There's communication,
Speaker 11: there are everything from walkie talkies to a training exercises.
Speaker 11: You don't necessarily have to provide them with weapons. I
Speaker 11: assume at some point the big hope in Iran is
Speaker 11: the army. It's the army against the IRGC. You can
Speaker 11: get the army to rise up against these thugs, then
Speaker 11: there's actually a change, chance for a serious regime change
Speaker 11: in Iran.
Speaker 3: If Iran falls, and when I mean Iran falls, I
Speaker 3: mean the government of the Mulla fall and it becomes
Speaker 3: a more secularized, less you know, prophetic Jahadest government that
Speaker 3: asserts itself around the world. That completely resets the strategic
Speaker 3: se chess board, not only in the Middle East but
Speaker 3: around the world. I mean that is a massive development.
Speaker 7: Is it element First of all, as you said, around
Speaker 7: the world.
Speaker 11: I mean, the Iranians provide the Russians with the drones
Speaker 11: and long range missile to kill Ukrainians, and the Chinese
Speaker 11: received most of.
Speaker 7: Their oil from Iran.
Speaker 11: So it certainly reshuffles the global chess board, but it
Speaker 11: really reverts to Middle East to what it was back
Speaker 11: in nineteen seventy nine before the Iranian revolution, asue.
Speaker 7: Had excellra relations with Iran. I can't tell how.
Speaker 11: Many Iranians, how many these reralings I know who grew
Speaker 11: up in Tehran because their fathers worked in Iran. So
Speaker 11: we can go back to that situation and we create
Speaker 11: a completely different dynamic in the Middle East where we
Speaker 11: could have peace between Israel Lebanon because his Bulah will
Speaker 11: wither on the voy. We could have peace with Israel
Speaker 11: in Syria, peace with Israel in Saudi Arabia through Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 11: peace with the entire sunny world and the Middle East
Speaker 11: could look profoundly, profoundly.
Speaker 7: Different in another year than it looks right just now, ye,
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 3: Well, look, and you were involved with Israeli government, so
Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect your comment on it. But it's pretty
Speaker 3: obvious that the long term strategic goal of Israel is
Speaker 3: to bring down the Malas. And if it isn't a
Speaker 3: long term strategic goal of the United States, it damn
Speaker 3: well should be to bring down the Mallas. These guys
Speaker 3: have killed thousands of Americans and they have been a
Speaker 3: threat to world peace, and they.
Speaker 2: Need to pay.
Speaker 3: How does the Middle East look if the Malas are
Speaker 3: gone and Iran becomes the great and prosperous country that
Speaker 3: it frankly should be.
Speaker 11: I think what I just said, We could have peace
Speaker 11: between Israel and all these different countries. You could have
Speaker 11: a swath of peace that extends from the Mediterranean all
Speaker 11: the way to India, and what had been, you know,
Speaker 11: the hot spot in the world, the great crucible of
Speaker 11: conflicts in the world, could be actually the.
Speaker 7: Meadow of peace in the Middle Egue put it that way,
Speaker 7: and it could be very different.
Speaker 11: Now, I don't want to be Polyadish there are many,
Speaker 11: many steps that have to occur, and you're still going
Speaker 11: to have to deal with Islamic extremism of.
Speaker 7: The Sunny Stripe.
Speaker 11: You have to deal with al Qaeda and ISIS and the.
Speaker 7: Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. They're still around.
Speaker 11: And they're being support by other people, other countries other
Speaker 11: than Iran. You're still going to have your challenges, but
Speaker 11: it could be an amazing major breakthrough.
Speaker 3: Yesterday, Donald Trump said to Hamas, you're going to disarm.
Speaker 3: You're either going to do it yourself or it's going
Speaker 3: to be done for you. Does Israel understand that to
Speaker 3: mean American forces participating or is this backing Israel in
Speaker 3: going and finishing the job that frankly, I think Israel
Speaker 3: should have been allowed to do in the first place.
Speaker 11: Well, I think Israel understands that the President Trump has
Speaker 11: said unequivocally no boots on the ground and doesn't want
Speaker 11: American boots on the ground. That's why you have an
Speaker 11: Israel there, so you don't have to have American boots
Speaker 11: on the ground. And if Hamas is going to be
Speaker 11: disarmed militarily, kinetically, there's another country in the world that's
Speaker 11: going to do it.
Speaker 7: Except for Israel. That's the end. No one else is
Speaker 7: going to die for Hamas.
Speaker 11: No one else is going to die so frankly, for Israel,
Speaker 11: it's our troops who have to go out there and
Speaker 11: defend our homes, defend our families, our neighborhoods, and you
Speaker 11: do that by taking out hamas well.
Speaker 3: What Israel has done in h Gaza is magnificent. I
Speaker 3: understand a little about that. For my time in the military,
Speaker 3: I know what they've done. I'm afraid other people don't
Speaker 3: fully appreciate it. But thank you doctor Michael Warren for
Speaker 3: coming on the Hugh Hewitt Show sharing your experience. It
Speaker 3: is always good to hear from you because you know
Speaker 3: what's happening. And if you want to listen to the
Speaker 3: Hugh Hewitt Show and watch on the Salem News Channel,
Speaker 3: you'll know what's happening. I'm guess ho's Kurt Schlector and
Speaker 3: there's a lot more happening to come.
Speaker 2: We are back.
Speaker 8: You can you believe.
Speaker 3: That nineteen ninety nine was like twenty six years ago.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm freaking out here a little bit, folks here
Speaker 3: at the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guess its church Lickter,
Speaker 3: and it is my distinct pleasure to bring in the
Speaker 3: chairman of the Trump Kennedy Center, the guy that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump sends when there's a problem. He's got Rick Grennell
Speaker 3: on speed dial. Hi, Rick, Welcome to the showy Kurt.
Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me. Great to see you. Happy
Speaker 4: New Year to you.
Speaker 2: Hey, Happy New Year to you too.
Speaker 3: And I know Arena sends her regards to I was
Speaker 3: just wondering, are you guys. I know you guys are
Speaker 3: having some problem with artists over there. May I suggest
Speaker 3: a revival of the best Little Smally daycare in Minnesota
Speaker 3: for the Trump Kennedy Center.
Speaker 2: Woes that work out?
Speaker 4: OK?
Speaker 6: I think what's happening is is that they're proving our
Speaker 6: point because when I arrived at the Kennedy Center, we
Speaker 6: we're paying staff with debt reserves. We had no money
Speaker 6: in the bank, and the shows were so woke that
Speaker 6: people weren't responding. And so now that you have new
Speaker 6: management and we're cleaning up the place and we're getting
Speaker 6: more corporate donors and other donors.
Speaker 4: Than we've ever had.
Speaker 6: We've raised one hundred and thirty million dollars in one
Speaker 6: months for the pot.
Speaker 2: Wait did you say it crazy.
Speaker 3: Did you say one hundred's that's Somali daycare money?
Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty million, that's incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Look, and all these stories that the media keep attacking
Speaker 6: us on, they never talk about how much money we're
Speaker 6: raising because we've fixed programming and corporate America is coming back. Look,
Speaker 6: the reality is is you're never going to be able
Speaker 6: to run in our institutions with just ticket sales alone.
Speaker 6: Ticket sales for every single art institution across to America
Speaker 6: for the last seven to.
Speaker 4: Eight years have been in the tank.
Speaker 6: The only way that you can get to revenue neutral
Speaker 6: is to have donors and corporations who believe in the
Speaker 6: programming who write the check to make up the difference.
Speaker 4: Look the New York Times, which I never quote, Kurt.
Speaker 6: You know me, I never quote them, But about two
Speaker 6: and a half months ago, the New York Times did
Speaker 6: a front page story that said Broadway is dying. Ticket
Speaker 6: sales are in the tank, no one is coming out
Speaker 6: to live shows. We've seen that since COVID, and so
Speaker 6: the idea that these political reporters in Washington somehow want
Speaker 6: to pretend like the Kennedy Center, which also like every
Speaker 6: arts institution has ticket sale issues. Is somehow different is
Speaker 6: just not true. What is different about us is that
Speaker 6: we've fixed our problems. We've never been in better financial shape,
Speaker 6: and that's because when you have big programming, you actually
Speaker 6: have the corporate support. What we've seen now is shows
Speaker 6: that were booked under the previous regime saying we don't
Speaker 6: want to be a part of something that has Donald
Speaker 6: Trump's name on it. Fine, if you can't perform for conservatives,
Speaker 6: I don't really think you're an artist. I think artists
Speaker 6: perform for everyone, regardless of how they believe and who
Speaker 6: they vote for.
Speaker 4: And so we're getting.
Speaker 6: Rid of all these people that want to have some
Speaker 6: sort of a litmus test to say I'm only going
Speaker 6: to perform for people who believe like me.
Speaker 3: Well, Rick Granell, I'm looking at some of these acts
Speaker 3: that have ostentatiously told you we will not perform a
Speaker 3: place of filliad with Donald Trump. Something called The Cookers
Speaker 3: has sold sixty of five hundred tickets. Whoever Chuck read
Speaker 3: is sixty three out of two hundred for a free show.
Speaker 3: These guys are they're doing you a favor?
Speaker 6: Yeah, they are, because we're saving money. Look, the reality
Speaker 6: is if we book somebody and who somebody was booked
Speaker 6: under previous regime, we expect that they fulfill their contract.
Speaker 4: Otherwise we have a whole bunch of costs.
Speaker 6: So with Chuck Read, he came out and he said,
Speaker 6: I'm not performing because Donald Trump's name is on the
Speaker 6: place now. The reality is is that a lot of
Speaker 6: people expect to have a show. They had dinner reservations,
Speaker 6: they booked a car service. We have nineteen unions at
Speaker 6: the Kennedy Center, so I can't turn those plans off.
Speaker 6: There's a cost to that. And so what we've said
Speaker 6: is if you do this because of political reasons, then
Speaker 6: we will sue.
Speaker 4: You to get our money back.
Speaker 6: And so we're suing Chuck Red for one million dollars
Speaker 6: because he decided that he couldn't perform for Republicans and
Speaker 6: he canceled at the last minute. And there's a cost
Speaker 6: to that within the industry. If somebody cancels and they
Speaker 6: claim it for some other reason, We're not going after
Speaker 6: every single person who cancels. Matter of fact, as you
Speaker 6: point out, sometimes when people cancel, it's because they are
Speaker 6: seeing ticket sales not doing well and they can't find
Speaker 6: corporate donors and they don't have individual donors. And what
Speaker 6: I've said to these individuals, you're going to be on
Speaker 6: the hook if you come here with the show and
Speaker 6: you can't get to revenue neutral. You got to come
Speaker 6: up with the difference. There must be a rich person
Speaker 6: or corporation that believes in your artistry enough to support you.
Speaker 6: If you can't find someone to pay the bills for
Speaker 6: your artistry, then I would say that that's a basic
Speaker 6: principle of economics. You shouldn't ask people to go into
Speaker 6: debt to watch you look.
Speaker 3: Next year is a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
Speaker 3: the United States of America. I assume that the Trump
Speaker 3: Caddy Center is going to honor that. What are your
Speaker 3: plans for twenty twenty six, Rick, Right now.
Speaker 4: We have got massive programming coming.
Speaker 6: Some of the best things that we've been able to
Speaker 6: book haven't been able to book in years. I'm not
Speaker 6: going to get in front of it because we want
Speaker 6: to make sure that we have our marketing materials ready.
Speaker 6: But you're going to see a couple of big announcements
Speaker 6: and we're really excited about it. I think that people
Speaker 6: will see that we are going to bring back big,
Speaker 6: common sense programming. We've already had the stut Guard Ballet.
Speaker 6: We're bringing the the Vienna Philharmonic, which hasn't been back
Speaker 6: to the Kennedy Center in decades, probably the world's greatest symphony.
Speaker 6: And so we have the big acts coming. People want
Speaker 6: to come. We just had in December Miranda Lambert, Brooks
Speaker 6: and Dunn Guards, Brooks, Cheap Trick, all celebrating kiss.
Speaker 2: I Love Cheap Trick. Oh my god, I totally showed up.
Speaker 6: They reunited at the Kennedy Center. We're getting the big names. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we're getting the big names. We just you know, we
Speaker 6: want to be responsible with the money that we've been given,
Speaker 6: and we're we've never been in better financial shape, but
Speaker 6: clearly the left is unhappy. They'd like us to be
Speaker 6: in worse financial shape and keep funding some of these
Speaker 6: woke programs.
Speaker 3: Well, look what you're doing, Rick Renell, is you're going
Speaker 3: out and you're appealing to all Americans, whether they're woke,
Speaker 3: whether they're not woke. Where they like country music, where
Speaker 3: are they like classical, because that's what this center is.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Rick Renell. Always great to see you. Mary,
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Hope, to see you in
Speaker 3: the next couple months and stick around here on the
Speaker 3: Hugh Hewett Show.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to h HWET Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlicker.
Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Andrew Clovit. He's he's now the
Speaker 3: producer of The Charlie. He is a senior official with TPUSA,
Speaker 3: and he is part of a generation that's showing the
Speaker 3: hell out of mind. I mean, Andrew, why is your
Speaker 3: generation making my generation look so damn bad?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 4: It's good to see a Kurt.
Speaker 13: It's fun to be on the other side of things. Usually,
Speaker 13: you know, I'm interviewing you, but yeah, listen, I think
Speaker 13: you know, I think you're right. Our generation has gotten
Speaker 13: the short end of the stick when it comes to
Speaker 13: the compact that a government makes with its people. And
Speaker 13: we you know, young people in America, they have been
Speaker 13: put by the wayside. They've been told they're toxically masculine,
Speaker 13: they've been told to sit down and shut up, stop complaining.
Speaker 13: And you know, Meanwhile, foreigners have gotten free debit cards
Speaker 13: filled with cash, free airplane tickets anywhere in the interior
Speaker 13: they want. And you know, eventually the frustration gets to
Speaker 13: a point where you know you want real action taken
Speaker 13: on behalf of your community, your generation, and Americans more broadly.
Speaker 13: So I think, listen, we have a memory of what
Speaker 13: America is supposed to be like, what America should be like.
Speaker 13: We've been told from our parents what it was like
Speaker 13: when they were growing up, and we realized there's an
Speaker 13: incongruence there, and we want what was ours. We want
Speaker 13: our birthright, and so we're gonna stand up and fight
Speaker 13: for it. That's what I think.
Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, look, I was there during the golden Age
Speaker 3: of America. I was about your age then, and it's
Speaker 3: all true. I feel like I'm han Solo in that
Speaker 3: terrible seek Star Star Wars sequel. Now it is all true,
Speaker 3: and it rips me up that your generation does not
Speaker 3: have the same opportunities I have.
Speaker 2: But you guys aren't quitting.
Speaker 3: I mean, Charlie Kirk showed us a great example of
Speaker 3: someone who refuses to quit. We got Nick Shirley in Minnesota,
Speaker 3: who is making a whole my generations, regime media reporters
Speaker 3: look like clowns because he's going out and doing the
Speaker 3: real work. I've got a lot of you know, and
Speaker 3: I led your generation as a soldier. I think you
Speaker 3: guys are great, and I'm I'm very happy that your
Speaker 3: generation's coming along.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 13: I think you guys also had some structural disadvantages as
Speaker 13: far as getting the truth. I mean, I think the
Speaker 13: Internet has democratized in some ways negatively. We've seen that too, Kurt,
Speaker 13: but there aren't the gatekeepers that are keeping people like
Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk on the sidelines. I mean, Charlie was able
Speaker 13: to build the Charlie Kirk Show build Turning Point from scratch,
Speaker 13: largely thanks to social media, largely thanks to the ability
Speaker 13: to get the message out in a you know, decentralized,
Speaker 13: democratized way. And we saw that, you know, especially with
Speaker 13: Charlie and TikTok when they took the breaks.
Speaker 12: Off of his account on TikTok.
Speaker 13: We've got billions and billions of views and helped win
Speaker 13: the White House in twenty twenty four because listen, with
Speaker 13: a level playing and decentralized.
Speaker 12: Media pipes and.
Speaker 13: Electrical laid right, we were able to get our message
Speaker 13: out far and wide.
Speaker 12: And so so you guys didn't have that.
Speaker 13: You had the old school legacy news media, you know,
Speaker 13: Fox News in a box, CNN in a box, and
Speaker 13: that was about it. And even you go back further
Speaker 13: and it was Walter Cronkite and that was that was it.
Speaker 4: So the official narrative was the official narrative.
Speaker 12: And I think what.
Speaker 13: You've seen is that this new generation is not putting
Speaker 13: up with the official narrative.
Speaker 12: This new generation wants more, they want.
Speaker 13: Deeper truth, and they've they've become convinced that their elites
Speaker 13: are lying to them. They've been convinced that the institutions
Speaker 13: are selling them out, and they're not.
Speaker 12: Going to put up with it anymore.
Speaker 13: And hopefully what we get on the backside of all
Speaker 13: of this, Tunnult, all this chaos is a more honest
Speaker 13: institutional establishment in this country, a more conservative institutional establishment
Speaker 13: in this country.
Speaker 12: But also we get some.
Speaker 13: Sanity, right, So I think we've got to we got
Speaker 13: to find a way to marry the too. That's one
Speaker 13: of the reasons why I love having you on the
Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk Show, Kurt is because you you have a
Speaker 13: healthy distrust of the elite in the experts, so called experts.
Speaker 13: But you also have common sense insanity, and you've got
Speaker 13: to marry the two of those. So hopefully we take
Speaker 13: the best of both. We chew the meat and spit
Speaker 13: out the bones, and we come out in a better place,
Speaker 13: that's more honest.
Speaker 3: Well, look, a lot of a lot of people are
Speaker 3: very worried about TPUSA, very concerned that it's going to
Speaker 3: be able to continue after the terrible murder of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3: How is TPSA doing.
Speaker 13: Yeah, TPUSA, turning point USA is you know, obviously we're reeling.
Speaker 13: There's there's no sugarcoating that we lost Charlie in the
Speaker 13: most horrific type of way, and.
Speaker 12: You know that that's.
Speaker 13: Going to take years of processing, of grieving. You know,
Speaker 13: I've told people, I don't know that we're ever going
Speaker 13: to get over that. I don't know that you're supposed
Speaker 13: to get over something like that. But as far as
Speaker 13: the organization is considered, I mean, Charlie's legacy is so
Speaker 13: giant and so enormous and so incredible and historic that
Speaker 13: you know, we're blessed by what he's left us, and
Speaker 13: that is a momentum that you couldn't have possibly imagine.
Speaker 12: I mean, Kurt, we're.
Speaker 13: Still opening fifty new Turning Point chapters at college and
Speaker 13: high schools across the country every single day, and you
Speaker 13: don't really appreciate what a herculean task that is.
Speaker 4: Until you've started a chapter.
Speaker 13: You got to to become a registered student organization. You
Speaker 13: got to get a sponsor, you got to fill out paperwork,
Speaker 13: you got to get a core group of kids that
Speaker 13: are all in alignment. You got to get parental involvement
Speaker 13: a lot of times at these high schools. And then
Speaker 13: you've got to meet with the committees and meet with
Speaker 13: the faculty, and so it's a multi step process.
Speaker 12: And our team that's spread out across the.
Speaker 13: Country is really good at that, thankfully, and they're making
Speaker 13: historic progress. I mean, any grassroots organization in the country
Speaker 13: can tell you that starting fifty new chapters of their organization.
Speaker 12: A day is hurt. It's historic.
Speaker 13: And so we're still drinking through a fire hose trying
Speaker 13: to get through the backlog of all these new chapter
Speaker 13: requests and inquiries.
Speaker 12: And the other thing that.
Speaker 13: I'll tell you is that it's not just that we're
Speaker 13: starting a chapter. These chapters are swelling in size. I
Speaker 13: mean it used to be that we'd have chapters with
Speaker 13: like five six students at them, and maybe the meetings
Speaker 13: would have twenty at them. Now we have core groups
Speaker 13: of like fifty and the meetings have hundreds at them.
Speaker 13: So even just the interest organic at the chapter level
Speaker 13: is tremendous. The social media engagement has remained robusted, extremely high.
Speaker 13: And you know, you saw Amfest. We had thirty one
Speaker 13: thousand people at Amfest and that was obviously historical. We
Speaker 13: had to turn off ticketing and it drove the news
Speaker 13: cycle just before Christmas every day basically, And I will
Speaker 13: tell you we're also launching a pick up the Mic
Speaker 13: Campus tour in the spring.
Speaker 4: We're going to be doing the proven me Wrong, so
Speaker 4: we're going.
Speaker 13: To be doing the arenas and the indoor events at
Speaker 13: night as well, and we're going to do the another
Speaker 13: piece of it where we're calling it the Make Heaven
Speaker 13: Crowded Tour, which is kind of this revival style TPUSA
Speaker 13: faith event that we're taking on the road all across
Speaker 13: the country. So the organization is strong, I mean, the
Speaker 13: interest is incredible and the grassroots support is unprecedented. So
Speaker 13: on the one hand, we're never gonna get over Charlie.
Speaker 13: But on the other hand, you know, he's left us
Speaker 13: with such a momentum that we are honor bound, duty
Speaker 13: bound to continue and see that mission through.
Speaker 3: Well look my feeling watching Erica Kirk and her grace
Speaker 3: in the days after that terrible that terrible murder. I thought,
Speaker 3: these guys don't know what they've unleashed. They don't know
Speaker 3: what they've unleashed. The question the audience has because you
Speaker 3: know the audience, this AUDIENCECWS a little older, is you know,
Speaker 3: we know that it was the young people who swung
Speaker 3: the last election for Donald Trump, which was a shock.
Speaker 2: We did not expect it.
Speaker 3: You probably expected it because you're much more in touch
Speaker 3: with them than we are. What is TPUSA going to
Speaker 3: do for the twenty twenty six election cycle.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, listen, we are going to continue messaging
Speaker 13: and we're going to keep having those debates. I mean,
Speaker 13: there's no replacing Charlie's ability to do that. But I
Speaker 13: will tell you that even Charlie was warning that this
Speaker 13: was temporary. The gains that we have with young people,
Speaker 13: it was wet cement. It was not locked in stone
Speaker 13: by by any means Kurt, and we need to raise
Speaker 13: that alarm bell. Charlie was raising that alarm bell actively.
Speaker 13: He was, you know, he didn't like the way that
Speaker 13: Epstein situation was handled, he didn't like the way that
Speaker 13: some of the foreign policy issues were handled, and he was,
Speaker 13: you know, sounding the alarm bell.
Speaker 12: About the affordability crisis.
Speaker 13: Young people can't afford to own homes, they can't afford
Speaker 13: to get married.
Speaker 12: We have a whole.
Speaker 13: Economic system and from a policy position as well, that
Speaker 13: favors the incumbents, the economic incumbents the people probably more
Speaker 13: in this audience. And that's no disgrace to the people
Speaker 13: in this audience. It's just saying, when we're making economic policy,
Speaker 13: when we're making housing policy, when we're doing these things,
Speaker 13: we have to be thinking about how do these young
Speaker 13: people get on that first rung of the ladder of
Speaker 13: economic progress.
Speaker 12: And you know, right now, many of them feel blocked out.
Speaker 13: They feel like the American dream is priced out of
Speaker 13: their ability to pay. And so Charlie was saying, and
Speaker 13: I agree that we need an economic moonshop for gen Z.
Speaker 13: So yeah, we could message, yeah, we can hit social media,
Speaker 13: but ultimately we have to have something that's believable to sell, Kurt.
Speaker 13: And so if the promises that we're made in the
Speaker 13: campaign don't come to fruition, or if they can't see
Speaker 13: ample progress that you know, affordability is being dealt with,
Speaker 13: or that jobs are being dealt with, or that they're
Speaker 13: housing crisis is being dealt with, then guess what, then
Speaker 13: we're going to have a hell of a time trying
Speaker 13: to sell that through. But if in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 13: if what Scott Besson is saying a treasury that you
Speaker 13: know twenty twenty five was setting the table, twenty twenty
Speaker 13: six is the banquet, it's the feast. If that's true,
Speaker 13: even sixty percent true, I think we've got a great
Speaker 13: message to to get out to the American people into
Speaker 13: gen Z and if they can feel real relief, they're
Speaker 13: going to be in a much better place.
Speaker 3: Andrew Corvette of TP USA Turning Point USA, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for coming on the Hugh Hewit Show. Frankly,
Speaker 3: it was Charlie Kirk who turned me on to what's
Speaker 3: happening with young people in a way I hadn't thought
Speaker 3: of before. And Andrew's right, we need to focus on
Speaker 3: that guys.
Speaker 2: In my generation.
Speaker 3: We need to make sure we're not pulling the ladder
Speaker 3: up behind us. Listen to Andrew, he knows what's up.
Speaker 3: I'm Kurt Schlickter, guest hosing here for the Great Hugh Hewitt.
Speaker 3: We are back on the Hugh Hewit Show. I'm guest
Speaker 3: host Kurt Schlickter. We're joined by.
Speaker 2: James Lilax, who I'm sure you. I'm sure you've got a.
Speaker 3: Take or two on a Somali gate.
Speaker 8: How you doing.
Speaker 14: You know it's interesting you kick that off of the
Speaker 14: Mary Tyler theme show played in a little different style
Speaker 14: than the Sunny Curtis original because in the last few
Speaker 14: years of the marytittle Moore Show, she moved to this
Speaker 14: place called Cedar Square West, which is this big urban
Speaker 14: development that would combine Section eight with the highest of
Speaker 14: high and had a tall tower at the top of
Speaker 14: which would be the rich people looking down in the
Speaker 14: glittering city below, and then around it would have housing
Speaker 14: for everybody.
Speaker 8: I lived there for a while, I hated it.
Speaker 14: That is the place now when you see the footage
Speaker 14: of them going into the Somali community to the big
Speaker 14: concrete complexes, see that they call a little Mogadishu.
Speaker 8: That's where Marytotler Moore used to live. That's the place.
Speaker 14: She doesn't live there anymore, and Minneapolis is a different
Speaker 14: place now. As to what's going on, well, there's nothing
Speaker 14: that I can add that a young kid with an
Speaker 14: iPhone showing up and knocking on doors hasn't been able
Speaker 14: to add. I will note this. The most interesting development
Speaker 14: to me today is that the sign of the Leering
Speaker 14: center apparently has been changed so it is now a
Speaker 14: learning center. And I kind of miss leering because that
Speaker 14: was a word that was going to enter the language.
Speaker 14: I think, almost like kofev. It's just those misspellings that
Speaker 14: somehow sum things up. So the other part of this, though,
Speaker 14: that's interesting, is that the pushback now is that the
Speaker 14: kid didn't know what he was doing. Here's with the
Speaker 14: errors of the statements. This is all overblown and it's
Speaker 14: really motivated by racism, and that's I think going to
Speaker 14: dominate a lot of the discussion, and frankly, that's a
Speaker 14: lot of what has kept the discussion from happening in
Speaker 14: the first place, is that the only objection you can
Speaker 14: have to fraud that is being revealed, whether it be autism, centers,
Speaker 14: whether it be adult care centers, whether it be childcare
Speaker 14: centers as well.
Speaker 8: Why are you looking so? Why are you looking at them?
Speaker 14: There's got to be some reason to it other than
Speaker 14: you're looking for fraud. So what happens after this?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 14: Is it possible that Tim Waltz will suffer in an
Speaker 14: electoral defeat, entirely possible.
Speaker 8: They've been pulling.
Speaker 14: People all over the state and something like sixty percent
Speaker 14: of them say that fraud is yes, a major consideration,
Speaker 14: and they're voting.
Speaker 8: They're already concerned about it. Imagine that.
Speaker 14: But there's so many diehard absolutely pull the liver for
Speaker 14: a d no matter what, in the big metropolitan Aryan Minneapolis,
Speaker 14: that I can easily see Waltz is surviving this and
Speaker 14: becoming governor again.
Speaker 8: I will tell you.
Speaker 14: That the incuriosity of media is not because they have.
Speaker 8: Some orders from on top to ignore these things. That's
Speaker 8: not the way it works.
Speaker 14: You'll hear a lot of people who say, look the publisher,
Speaker 14: the publisher of the paper.
Speaker 8: As a former Waltz guid yeah, it was now, I
Speaker 8: worked there. I worked there for thirty seven years.
Speaker 14: Did I ever hear anything coming down from above telling
Speaker 14: me what to write. No, never, never, But I will
Speaker 14: tell you that you don't have to sometimes when the
Speaker 14: general atmosphere of the newsroom is is gosh, these you know,
Speaker 14: liberalism is the really the only, the only correct way
Speaker 14: for a proper person to think. When Waltz got the
Speaker 14: Deep nomination, I can't tell you the sort of squeeze
Speaker 14: that went on. And you know, let's do a store
Speaker 14: Let's do a story about how he's really a gamer,
Speaker 14: he loves to play Madden Football.
Speaker 8: Let's do a story about it, hunting and all the
Speaker 8: rest of it.
Speaker 14: There was just our tim and I didn't go along
Speaker 14: with that, And that's not why I'm not there anymore.
Speaker 14: I retired, but I don't miss being in that bubble.
Speaker 3: Well, James Lilax, I think part of it is they
Speaker 3: reside in the bubble. Part of it is well, humiliation
Speaker 3: and envy. I mean, this little twenty three year old
Speaker 3: whipper snapper with an iPhone came out and while it
Speaker 3: had been reported before, obviously those reports hadn't changed anything.
Speaker 3: This guy puts it on video, makes it viral. Everybody,
Speaker 3: As you point out, everybody knows what leering center is.
Speaker 3: One hundred and ten million views on YouTube's that's about
Speaker 3: two hundred and ten times what CNN gets.
Speaker 14: It's extraordinary, it really is. Now, there might be some
Speaker 14: endy there, but I think it may be sublimated. And
Speaker 14: that's not forrobably the primary thing. I think a lot
Speaker 14: of it is just being flat footed as a news
Speaker 14: organization when things are changing so fast that yes, a
Speaker 14: kid with an iPhone can scoop you. There's a piece
Speaker 14: in the paper today, as a matter of fact, talking
Speaker 14: about how the Minnesota has now Minnesota's fraud story has
Speaker 14: entered the influence era.
Speaker 8: It's not bad.
Speaker 14: And I went to read it to say, you know,
Speaker 14: that's exactly what it is, because now, well we've had
Speaker 14: ever since the blogs came out, there have been competition
Speaker 14: of the paper, but now, yes, this is really something.
Speaker 14: And I couldn't get to the piece because it was paywalled.
Speaker 8: And that's part of the problem. The old I mean, yes,
Speaker 8: we have to make money.
Speaker 14: We got to figure out a way to keep the
Speaker 14: lights on and keep the journalist's salaries done. But that's
Speaker 14: part of the problem is that the old newspapers, I
Speaker 14: mean they the print is dying. So the idea that
Speaker 14: the news comes out once a day is long dead,
Speaker 14: but they still put out a paper. The idea that
Speaker 14: you have to be constantly on top of things and
Speaker 14: constantly refreshing your website is dominant. But if it's paywalled
Speaker 14: and it's not that interesting and you don't have the
Speaker 14: staff and you don't have the inclination, yeah, the eyes
Speaker 14: are going to go elsewhere. So it's not maybe envy
Speaker 14: so much as it is this sort of gut wrenching
Speaker 14: rerealization that the old media dinosaurs are just being lapped
Speaker 14: and taken apart.
Speaker 8: By new media and the various manifestations of it.
Speaker 3: Well, you watch something like this, surely, and you have
Speaker 3: to wonder, what is the purpose of a traditional newsroom
Speaker 3: at a traditional paper. Obviously they're not printing it the
Speaker 3: same way they used to, but you would have thought
Speaker 3: it would have been the ability to have editorial oversight,
Speaker 3: the ability to finance investigative stuff, the ability to speak
Speaker 3: to a wide audience. I mean, and none of those
Speaker 3: are true anymore.
Speaker 8: Well, and for variety of reasons. When you talk about
Speaker 8: those big.
Speaker 14: Things, I mean, the newspapers still to this day, in
Speaker 14: order to chase that policer will come up with a
Speaker 14: big story, like the big enterprise pieces. They like to
Speaker 14: send people out and do these things. But the problem
Speaker 14: is you spend a lot of money on it, and
Speaker 14: what kind.
Speaker 8: Of clicks to you get?
Speaker 14: What kind of return do you get on if you're
Speaker 14: looking at how many eyeballs you get and how many
Speaker 14: of those people then converts to a subscription. I mean,
Speaker 14: you get one hundred thousand eyeballs and you get ten
Speaker 14: subscriptions out of it.
Speaker 8: You just figure, what's the point of this.
Speaker 14: So whereas yes, it used to be these large institutions
Speaker 14: had the money to do something and the audience that
Speaker 14: was looking forward to it because there weren't.
Speaker 8: An awful lot about their opportunities, and that was a
Speaker 8: great age frankly. Now, yes it was a monoculture.
Speaker 14: Yes it was always giving you standard received wisdom of
Speaker 14: your technocratic managerial class. But at the same time you
Speaker 14: did look the newspapers to do this sort of thing.
Speaker 14: And now people just simply don't expect that. What they
Speaker 14: want our sports scores, and they don't even want the
Speaker 14: comics anymore because they can get those online.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, James Lilacs, I think one other thing
Speaker 3: that the newspapers are missing are guys like James Lilacs,
Speaker 3: or when I was growing up in the reading San
Speaker 3: Francisco Chronicle, herb came the individuals, the guy with a vision,
Speaker 3: the guy who was like, you couldn't hear anybody like
Speaker 3: him anywhere else, and that's what you got on the paper,
Speaker 3: and that's gone. James Lilacs at Substack, Go follow him,
Speaker 3: read everything he writes on Kurt Schlichter, this is thing
Speaker 3: you knew