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Speaker 3: This is Kurt Schlicker and I am the guest host

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Speaker 3: now on an Ole Minneapolis day here at the UUIT show.

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Speaker 3: That's the Suicide Commandos with their amazing rock and roll

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Speaker 3: sensation Complicated Fun one of my favorite songs. I love

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Speaker 3: it so much. This is great for me. I'm having

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Speaker 3: a great time. What's the only thing that could make

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Speaker 3: it better?

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Speaker 2: Why? Being joined by my pal Jim Garretty.

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Speaker 3: He is the senior political correspondent over at National Review Online.

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Speaker 2: Jim, Welcome to the Hue Hewitt Show.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Kirk, Happy impending new year.

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Speaker 5: And I got to say, Suicide Commandos is my favorite

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Speaker 2: Nice Nice, oh man. Jim.

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Speaker 3: You and I have been good friends for a long time.

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Speaker 3: We disagree on a lot of things about Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: but let me ask you something. You know, the vibe

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Speaker 3: seems to be shifting here. And I wrote about this

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Speaker 3: at town Hall the other day that the economic news

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Speaker 3: is good, there are great things happening in foreign policy.

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Speaker 3: We may very well see Maduro go down, followed by

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Speaker 3: those sobs in Cuba, of which I have a personal

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Speaker 3: interest in seeing, swinging from a lamppost. And it looks

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Speaker 3: like Iran, where the IRGC is now using live ammunition

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Speaker 3: to try and hold onto power that may fall too.

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Speaker 3: If all that falls, Trump's gonna be looking pretty good, right, Kurt.

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Speaker 5: Not only would he be looking pretty good, I would

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Speaker 5: say he's the greatest neo conservative president of all time,

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Speaker 5: taking mantle from George W. Bush Job semi seriously. I

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Speaker 5: love Democrats and Republicans had said Iran must not have

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Speaker 5: a nuclear program, and you know, year by year, decade

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Speaker 5: by decade, the Iranians kept inching closer and closer, and

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Speaker 5: what I think was probably one of the best decisions

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Speaker 5: the president made all year. We did the bombing operation

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Speaker 5: and it's now been set back probably at least two years.

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Speaker 5: And the Iranian nuclear program is under a giant file

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Speaker 5: of rubble.

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Speaker 4: So there's that.

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Speaker 5: So I'll give credit and for all of this, you know,

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Speaker 5: the if Maduro goes down by the way, the earlier

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Speaker 5: this week, the Iranian Supreme Ayatola said that we were

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Speaker 5: in a state of total war with them.

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Speaker 3: Kurt, had you noticed, oh well, I think I would

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Speaker 3: have noticed a state of total war.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it says.

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Speaker 5: Something if like Iran has not been in the news

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Speaker 4: Every once in a while they come out and they

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Speaker 2: And all that stuff.

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Speaker 5: But really this is actually like, yeah, it is just

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Speaker 5: an observation that they need to remind to the world.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, we're still fighting the Great Satan. We haven't

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Speaker 5: stopped that one bit. And you know, what we're seeing

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Speaker 4: The president of Alma did.

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Speaker 5: Not take a very particularly strong stance of and effectively

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Speaker 4: I know Trump will not be doing the same.

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Speaker 5: I hope the Iranian people can topple rulers who have

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Speaker 5: been abusing them for a very long time. I'm not

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Speaker 5: gonna get my hopes too high about this. We've seen

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Speaker 5: this sort of thing happened before. But boy, would not

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Speaker 5: be a wonderful way to ring in twenty twenty six with.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I would love it. And frankly, the Iranians are

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Speaker 3: building bridges to America right now. We have joined forces

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Speaker 3: there's a shot at unity. But Jim, let me ask

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Speaker 2: How do you think this is going to play?

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the very first thing that I

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Speaker 5: I said that there was no way Kamala Harris was

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Speaker 5: government had had one egregiously embarrassing fraud scandal after another,

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Speaker 5: Tim Walls because he's such a he's nowhere near prepared

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Speaker 5: heart a heartbeat away. Well, I completely erroneously botch that one.

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Speaker 5: But Kurt, how much would you have been saying if

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Speaker 5: I had said to you, by the time we get

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Speaker 5: Would you have taken that bet at any point in twenty.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four I would have left money on the table.

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Speaker 3: Jim Garrity of next Door Review on like, what's this

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Speaker 3: strange new respect for Kamala Harris got maybe in comparison

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Speaker 2: Such as it.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's name recognition. I actually don't think that's a

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Speaker 5: I think was drastically undercovered, and it's not the biggest

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Speaker 5: Back in November, Minnesota's legislator has this thing called the

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Speaker 5: state spending, and unsurprisingly it's one of the things that

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Speaker 4: Of these fraud scandals.

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Speaker 5: Right, they did an audit of the offices of governor Walls,

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Speaker 5: Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan, right from twenty twenty two to

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Speaker 5: looking at all kinds of spending, all kinds of basics,

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Speaker 5: right and unsurprisingly, they found a whole bunch of errors

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Speaker 5: care of in very basic stuff like keeping track of receipts,

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Speaker 5: time sheets, holidayly if lee payments, adventory, reimbursements, and payments

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Speaker 5: to vendors, all kinds stuff.

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Speaker 4: And somebody might be like, oh, who cares about that stuff.

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Speaker 5: That's you know, small potatoes compared to these billions of dollars.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not going to disbute that, but I'm.

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Speaker 5: Gonna observe, if you're the governor of Minnesota, how your

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Speaker 5: office runs is one of the few things you absolutely control.

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Speaker 5: This is not a matter of you have to work

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Speaker 5: in terms he would understand. This is the basic blocking

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Speaker 5: and tackling of management. And Tim Walls and his Lieutenant

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Speaker 5: Governor Peggy flan again, who is running for Senate.

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Speaker 4: Both were terrible at this.

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Speaker 5: So it's not like, oh, we couldn't keep track of

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Speaker 4: They couldn't keep track of.

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Speaker 5: What was going on in their own office, which is

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Speaker 5: like a demonstration. Like Tim Walsley, Boy, he's got that

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Speaker 5: fix the carburetor and all.

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Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. He can't manage.

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Speaker 5: And when I say he can't manage, I don't just

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Speaker 5: mean he can't work with the legislature on running the

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Speaker 5: on Like, is everybody filling out their time sheets? Is

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Speaker 7: Like this is.

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Speaker 5: Kurt, you're at a law firm. I am sure you

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Speaker 5: had to do all this stuff. Yes, you were earning

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Speaker 3: I did, and I matched not that any fraudulate daycare

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to guess almost everybody who's ever worked in

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Speaker 4: To do you know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you gotta fill out your time sheet. Yeah, if

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Speaker 5: right kind of all this stuff is kind of basic,

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Speaker 5: and none of this was taking care of that. You know,

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Speaker 5: the report is out there, I'm posted on on state website,

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Speaker 5: as an example of people who are on the left

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Speaker 5: government can take care of health care. They want to do,

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously a grand expansion of childcare.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 5: The government should take on bigger and more extensive roles

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Speaker 4: But they can't take care of the basics. And why

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Speaker 5: For more money from me and more authority over me

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Speaker 5: if you can't take care of these basics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's uh. I mean, that's the purpose

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Speaker 3: of the Democrat Party to generate money for its constituents

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Speaker 3: so they stay loyal. Jim, we got out thirty seconds

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Speaker 3: left right now, how do you think? How do you

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of optimistic. I think if the economy's kicking,

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be rough. Part of it is

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Speaker 4: the high retirement rate, the redistricting wars might mitigate that

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Speaker 5: I think the Democrats may over interpret Mom Damie and

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Speaker 4: But look, it's a midterm It very rarely goes well

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Speaker 4: to the president's party. So well, I'm not as optimistic

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Speaker 3: Bert Well, thank you, Jim Garrity. Happy new Year to

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Speaker 3: you and your family. Always great to talk to my

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Speaker 2: And guess it is Kurt Schlickter. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Drucker. David, Welcome to Hugh Hewitt Show. Good to see it, Kurt,

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Speaker 3: I am positively giddy over this smally fraud ring thing

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Speaker 9: I mean, could it cause problems for Governor Walls in

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Speaker 8: Responsible, responsible by the voters. That doesn't always happen these days.

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Speaker 3: Well, David Drucker, I'm feeling a vibe shift here. I

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Speaker 9: I mean, from everything that we're seeing broadly, Democrats are

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Speaker 3: Well, David Drucker, you know, personnel, everything starts with people.

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Speaker 3: We were in the process of selecting some candidates. Democrats

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Speaker 9: If you nominate somebody like Maundani in Virginia New Jersey,

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Speaker 3: Well, David Drucker, I'm actually a little concerned about one

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Speaker 3: that part of the zeitgeist at the time. Was it

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Speaker 9: I was in New Jersey and then the Republican nominee

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Speaker 9: Virginia was particularly weak. But I would say span Burger

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Speaker 9: and Cheryl were both exceptional candidates who have a lot

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Speaker 4: They did a very good job.

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Speaker 9: Doesn't mean that they would make stellar presidential candidates, I

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Speaker 9: don't know, but they were very good gubernatorial candidates.

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Speaker 4: I've covered them for quite a while.

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Speaker 9: I covered Spanburger's first race for the House of Representatives

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Speaker 9: They ran really solid races. I had some criticisms of

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Speaker 3: Well, David M. Drunker, Happy New Year. It is always

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Speaker 3: great to talk to you. When I Kurt Schlicker get

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Speaker 3: Hos Kurt Schlicker. Yeah, I was an Army colonel. I'm

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Speaker 2: Hi, Harmy, how are you doing.

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Speaker 10: I'm great, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we could use some help at the Civil Rights Division,

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Speaker 3: Oh excellent, And before we go on, you got tell

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Speaker 10: The Civil Rights Division is one of the most sizable

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Speaker 3: Well, Armi Dylan, I've been so impressed at how how

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Speaker 2: You know, hey, we've discovered, you know, this place is.

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Speaker 3: Preventing, you know, allowing men in women's locker rooms, and

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Speaker 3: you know it becomes it becomes a thing on social media,

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Speaker 3: and then suddenly the DJ is there going, yes, we're

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Speaker 3: aware of this, now we're investigating. That's kind of revolutionary

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Speaker 3: to be that responsive.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that's correct. I mean there are a

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Speaker 10: couple of reasons for that. First of all, lawyers are

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Speaker 10: kind of fuddy duddies about using the Internet and being engaged.

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Speaker 10: And you know, you and I are among the few

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Speaker 10: on the right who have been both successful lawyers and

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Speaker 10: also very actively engaged on social media. It's usually one

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Speaker 10: or the other.

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Speaker 8: And so I am. I have a.

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Speaker 10: Big social media following from before I joined the DJ

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Speaker 10: and about one point five million plus followers online, and

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Speaker 10: so I do find it a very valuable tool because

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Speaker 10: you have to keep up, and so it is a

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Speaker 10: way to find information today. I don't actually watch television

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Speaker 10: very much. I'm not you know, I don't have the

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Speaker 10: TV on in the background because TV is like twelve

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Speaker 10: to twenty four hours behind what's really happening.

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Speaker 7: And when the.

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Speaker 10: Modern day journalist heroes who are the Nick Shirley's and

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Speaker 10: you know, the Matt Tamy's and some of these others

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Speaker 10: who you know, right or left, they're the ones who

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Speaker 10: are getting the leads and sharing the stories in real time.

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Speaker 10: Those are the ones I pay attention to and where

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Speaker 10: we get our attention on something. Our libs of TikTok

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Speaker 10: is also a great source for some of our issues

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Speaker 10: involving schools or employment. We do open up investigations based

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Speaker 10: on Internet leads, and I am proud of that. And

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Speaker 10: I got mocked a little bit by prior pearl clutching

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Speaker 10: DOJ officials and even some former Republican members of Congress.

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Speaker 10: I think it's quote unquote not serious to be online

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Speaker 10: and engaging with the public. Well, I think it is serious.

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Speaker 10: I think it is a public calling and a duty,

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Speaker 10: and I'm pleased with how much work we've been able

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Speaker 10: to do. And by the way, sometimes simply tweeting about

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Speaker 10: something or writing a letter stops at dead in its tracks.

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Speaker 10: I've stopped a ridiculous DEI program at Asheville, North Carolina

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Speaker 10: by reading about it online, responding to a internet journalist whistleblower,

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Speaker 10: sending a letter in boom no no, no shots fired

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Speaker 10: in court because they simply stopped what they were doing.

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Speaker 10: And so that is really effectiveness and action, and that's

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Speaker 10: what people should expect from their government officials.

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the problems that you've had, Harmeat Dylan,

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Speaker 3: is a lot of the lawyers in your division simply quit.

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Speaker 3: They chose to retire. They wouldn't work for you, and

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Speaker 3: like the didn't like the new politics and didn't like

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Speaker 3: the new direction.

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Speaker 2: So you guys are.

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Speaker 3: Being unbelievably active with a much smaller group.

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Speaker 2: I think that any.

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Speaker 3: Young lawyer, any lawyer in their first ten year or

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Speaker 3: even after, would benefit immeasurably for coming and working in

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Speaker 3: your organization.

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Speaker 2: What do you have?

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Speaker 3: You know, how easy is it to come in and

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Speaker 3: work for you if you're a qualified lawyer who wants

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Speaker 3: to go and make a real difference.

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Speaker 10: Well that's a great question. So yes, I think it's

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Speaker 10: a mixed bag because two thirds of the lawyers or

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Speaker 10: so maybe even seventy five percent quit because it did

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Speaker 10: not like our direction, which was directed towards the White

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Speaker 10: House's priorities. So in a way it's good because they

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Speaker 10: got out of the way. But we do need to

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Speaker 10: replace those people with patriots for willing to do the work,

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Speaker 10: and a lot of the work we do is a

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Speaker 10: political kurt enforcing our Americans with Disabilities Act or Housing

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Speaker 10: violations or protecting our veterans and our service members from discrimination.

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Speaker 10: This should not be very controversial, or my goodness, working

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Speaker 10: on anti semitism issues. And so we are actually hiring

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Speaker 10: quite a few people in both the beginnings of their

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Speaker 10: careers and the ends of their careers. And you know,

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Speaker 10: I'm really proud of that. And so quite a few

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Speaker 10: lawyers have come to us who are late in their

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Speaker 10: careers and they are you able to work to achieve

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Speaker 10: things that they couldn't do in private practice and just

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Speaker 10: finish off their careers with a bang, closing down out

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Speaker 10: of date consent decrees and things like that. And so

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Speaker 10: you know, we will take people of all backgrounds, all

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Speaker 10: levels of their careers. We just are looking to hire

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Speaker 10: good lawyers. They're going to get great experience, they will

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Speaker 10: be making a difference because the work that we're doing

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Speaker 10: is literally in the headlines every single day, and as

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Speaker 10: part of this administration's priorities.

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Speaker 3: Well, I got to tell you if I now, I

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Speaker 3: have not built a single hour of law in over

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Speaker 3: a year, and I am so excited about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm moving on to other things.

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Speaker 3: But if I was still a name partner at a

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Speaker 3: firm and somebody walked in with your experience on the resume.

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Speaker 3: I work for har Meat Dylan at Civil Rights Holy Cow.

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Speaker 3: I swoop them up trial experience, negotiation experience.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is golden stuff.

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Speaker 3: So if you know a lawyer out there audience, a

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Speaker 3: young lawyer who wants who wants to build experience, contact

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Speaker 3: Harmony Dylan, get out there and get hired. How does

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Speaker 3: someone do that, har Meat.

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Speaker 10: Well, they go to USA Jobs dot gov and then

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Speaker 10: search for Civil Rights. We're hiring for all different levels

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Speaker 10: and all different kinds of lawyers. We have particular needs,

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Speaker 10: and our election litigation is extremely busy. Our DEI dismantling

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Speaker 10: programs in both employment and in other areas like government

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Speaker 10: contracting and education are very busy. I've personally negotiated almost

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Speaker 10: half a billion dollars of settlements with American universities that

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Speaker 10: we're engaged in DEI and that that work is going

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Speaker 10: to continue next year, and you can take a leadership role.

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Speaker 10: And the work is so important that we're doing. We

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Speaker 10: go to the White House frequently for meetings and the

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Speaker 10: top leadership and we are actively engaged. I mean, on

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Speaker 10: any given week, I'm talking to Cabinet members about different

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Speaker 10: issues and working collaboratively with them and their general counsels

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Speaker 10: to solve problems for all Americans. And we consider that

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Speaker 10: to be our charge. We work for all Americans, not

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Speaker 10: just sort of the woke few who are getting their

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Speaker 10: AX scored for the last few decades. And that is revolutionary.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the idea that we're treating white men as

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Speaker 10: protected under our civil rights laws is anathema to the

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Speaker 10: people who plit and there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Harmony Dylan. I got to tell you, if.

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Speaker 3: You're a young lawyer you want to work for Harmony,

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Speaker 3: it ain't going to be easy. It's going to be hard,

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Speaker 3: and you're gonna love every mind of it. I'm guess

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Speaker 3: host Kurt Schlichter. Stick around. We're back on the UWIT Show.

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Speaker 3: I'm guest host Kurt Schlichter, senior calmnist town Hall dot Com,

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Speaker 3: former trial lawyer, retired.

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Speaker 2: United States Army colonel.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined by doctor Michael worn who's the founder of

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Speaker 3: the Israel Advocacy Group and the go to guy for

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Speaker 3: everything Israel here on the UUAGE Show.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Rorn, welcome, good.

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Speaker 7: To be with the Kurt Hey and happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: Well, happy New Year to you too.

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Speaker 3: It seems like you're always the perfect guy to talk

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Speaker 3: to because there's always something happening, uh in the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: And obviously, uh, you know, I thought yesterday the big

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Speaker 3: the big deal was going to be Netanyahu meeting with Trump,

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Speaker 3: turns out to be Iran and uh, the latest threat

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Speaker 3: to the Mullas.

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Speaker 2: How do you assess that? And what what should Israel

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Speaker 2: and the United States rule be?

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Speaker 11: Okay, good, two good questions. What's happening has happened before.

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Speaker 11: There have been uprises in the past, but never under

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Speaker 11: circumstances so dire for the regime. The value of the

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Speaker 11: Iranian currencies down sixty percent, there's no electricity, there's no water.

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Speaker 11: It is quite dire. Corruption is rampant, and and certainly

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Speaker 11: the American and international sanctions have exacerbated that situation.

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Speaker 7: So the regime is in bad shape. It's been in

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Speaker 7: bad shape before, going back to.

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Speaker 11: Two thousand and nine, June two thousand and nine, there

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Speaker 11: was the Green Revolution remember.

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Speaker 2: That one, yep.

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Speaker 11: And after that there was the Women's Revolution in twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty two. So there have been times that had a revolution.

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Speaker 11: Every time the Iranian regime pulls out the stops, they

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Speaker 11: have these thugs called the besiege who go out there

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Speaker 11: with you know, truncheons and bash people's head in or

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Speaker 11: simply kill them in the streets, and they're what they're

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Speaker 11: going to do that this time.

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Speaker 7: The big question is, you say, Curtis, what's the United

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Speaker 7: States going to do? What is Israel going to do?

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Speaker 11: Where Israel is always backed these revolution in back the

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Speaker 11: Green Revolution in two thousand and nine, Arab back the

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Speaker 11: Women's Resolution in twenty twenty two, the big question is

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Speaker 11: the United States Back in two thousand and nine, President

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Speaker 11: Obama said I'm.

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Speaker 7: Not going to help these people.

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Speaker 11: He was trying to reach a nuclear deal with the regime,

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Speaker 11: and President Biden didn't help them either. So the big

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Speaker 11: question is will Donald Trump, in view of what he

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Speaker 11: said yesterday that he is.

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Speaker 7: Really putting down a red line for Iran. It's saying

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Speaker 7: that Iran would.

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Speaker 11: Face a green light in the United States for Israel

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Speaker 11: tact to graded Iran should he run try to rebuild

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Speaker 11: its missile capability, to certainly its nuclear program. And the

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Speaker 11: United States is keeping on the table a credible military response,

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Speaker 11: call a military threat, that's extraordinary, and believe me, the

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Speaker 11: Runians are take that very very seriously, I think the

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Speaker 11: United States and Israel should give their support.

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Speaker 7: Maybe not active support.

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Speaker 11: But say, listen, if there's a change of regime in Tehran,

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Speaker 11: nothing can make us happier.

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Speaker 3: Well, doctor Roran, I'm looking at the courses of action

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Speaker 3: brief for the president. One is to tamp this down.

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Speaker 3: That's the one that Biden and Obama took. The other

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Speaker 3: is kind of stay the core, see what happens. Then

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Speaker 3: there's covert support for the revolutionaries. Then there's overt support.

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Speaker 3: I could see taking down the IRGC buildings. I could

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Speaker 3: see taking tactical sites for the CG, these internal security

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Speaker 3: gestapo types. Do you think there's any room for that

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Speaker 3: kind of aggressive support.

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Speaker 7: I think keeping it under the radar is the best

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Speaker 7: right now.

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Speaker 11: I tell you why that if you strike national institutions,

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Speaker 11: even if they're hated national institutions, it tends to rally

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Speaker 11: the people around the government, and we saw that for

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Speaker 11: a period after the June War our last summer. So

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Speaker 11: I would keep it low profile right now, but certainly

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Speaker 11: keep it substantial and let the people in the street

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Speaker 11: know that they're not alone. Then I States has their backs,

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Speaker 11: and I said it did not have their back during

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Speaker 11: previous revolutions.

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Speaker 3: Well, when you say have their back, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of different There's a difference between moral support and actual

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Speaker 3: material support. Do you think the United States, through its

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Speaker 3: covert forces should introduce weapons into Iran to allow them

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Speaker 3: to actually confront these guys? There is our reports that

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Speaker 3: the RGC is using live ammunition against people. I think

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Speaker 3: it might be hard for America to sit back if

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Speaker 3: you know freedom marchers are being butchered in the streets

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Speaker 3: by these seventh century savages.

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Speaker 11: Well, some isolations United States may say just that this

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Speaker 11: is not our business, so why should we get involved in?

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Speaker 11: This is too dangerous. But there are many different types

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Speaker 11: of aid you can give to groups like this. There's communication,

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Speaker 11: there are everything from walkie talkies to a training exercises.

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Speaker 11: You don't necessarily have to provide them with weapons. I

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Speaker 11: assume at some point the big hope in Iran is

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Speaker 11: the army. It's the army against the IRGC. You can

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Speaker 11: get the army to rise up against these thugs, then

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Speaker 11: there's actually a change, chance for a serious regime change

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Speaker 11: in Iran.

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Speaker 3: If Iran falls, and when I mean Iran falls, I

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Speaker 3: mean the government of the Mulla fall and it becomes

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Speaker 3: a more secularized, less you know, prophetic Jahadest government that

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Speaker 3: asserts itself around the world. That completely resets the strategic

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Speaker 3: se chess board, not only in the Middle East but

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Speaker 3: around the world. I mean that is a massive development.

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Speaker 7: Is it element First of all, as you said, around

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Speaker 7: the world.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the Iranians provide the Russians with the drones

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Speaker 11: and long range missile to kill Ukrainians, and the Chinese

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Speaker 11: received most of.

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Speaker 7: Their oil from Iran.

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Speaker 11: So it certainly reshuffles the global chess board, but it

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Speaker 11: really reverts to Middle East to what it was back

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Speaker 11: in nineteen seventy nine before the Iranian revolution, asue.

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Speaker 7: Had excellra relations with Iran. I can't tell how.

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Speaker 11: Many Iranians, how many these reralings I know who grew

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Speaker 11: up in Tehran because their fathers worked in Iran. So

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Speaker 11: we can go back to that situation and we create

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Speaker 11: a completely different dynamic in the Middle East where we

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Speaker 11: could have peace between Israel Lebanon because his Bulah will

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Speaker 11: wither on the voy. We could have peace with Israel

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Speaker 11: in Syria, peace with Israel in Saudi Arabia through Saudi Arabia,

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Speaker 11: peace with the entire sunny world and the Middle East

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Speaker 11: could look profoundly, profoundly.

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Speaker 7: Different in another year than it looks right just now, ye,

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Speaker 7: right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, and you were involved with Israeli government, so

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't expect your comment on it. But it's pretty

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Speaker 3: obvious that the long term strategic goal of Israel is

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Speaker 3: to bring down the Malas. And if it isn't a

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Speaker 3: long term strategic goal of the United States, it damn

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Speaker 3: well should be to bring down the Mallas. These guys

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Speaker 3: have killed thousands of Americans and they have been a

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Speaker 3: threat to world peace, and they.

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Speaker 2: Need to pay.

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Speaker 3: How does the Middle East look if the Malas are

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Speaker 3: gone and Iran becomes the great and prosperous country that

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Speaker 3: it frankly should be.

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Speaker 11: I think what I just said, We could have peace

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Speaker 11: between Israel and all these different countries. You could have

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Speaker 11: a swath of peace that extends from the Mediterranean all

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Speaker 11: the way to India, and what had been, you know,

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Speaker 11: the hot spot in the world, the great crucible of

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Speaker 11: conflicts in the world, could be actually the.

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Speaker 7: Meadow of peace in the Middle Egue put it that way,

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Speaker 7: and it could be very different.

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Speaker 11: Now, I don't want to be Polyadish there are many,

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Speaker 11: many steps that have to occur, and you're still going

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Speaker 11: to have to deal with Islamic extremism of.

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Speaker 7: The Sunny Stripe.

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Speaker 11: You have to deal with al Qaeda and ISIS and the.

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Speaker 7: Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. They're still around.

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Speaker 11: And they're being support by other people, other countries other

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Speaker 11: than Iran. You're still going to have your challenges, but

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Speaker 11: it could be an amazing major breakthrough.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, Donald Trump said to Hamas, you're going to disarm.

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Speaker 3: You're either going to do it yourself or it's going

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Speaker 3: to be done for you. Does Israel understand that to

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Speaker 3: mean American forces participating or is this backing Israel in

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Speaker 3: going and finishing the job that frankly, I think Israel

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Speaker 3: should have been allowed to do in the first place.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think Israel understands that the President Trump has

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Speaker 11: said unequivocally no boots on the ground and doesn't want

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Speaker 11: American boots on the ground. That's why you have an

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Speaker 11: Israel there, so you don't have to have American boots

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Speaker 11: on the ground. And if Hamas is going to be

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Speaker 11: disarmed militarily, kinetically, there's another country in the world that's

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Speaker 11: going to do it.

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Speaker 7: Except for Israel. That's the end. No one else is

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Speaker 7: going to die for Hamas.

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Speaker 11: No one else is going to die so frankly, for Israel,

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Speaker 11: it's our troops who have to go out there and

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Speaker 11: defend our homes, defend our families, our neighborhoods, and you

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Speaker 11: do that by taking out hamas well.

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Speaker 3: What Israel has done in h Gaza is magnificent. I

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Speaker 3: understand a little about that. For my time in the military,

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Speaker 3: I know what they've done. I'm afraid other people don't

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Speaker 3: fully appreciate it. But thank you doctor Michael Warren for

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Speaker 3: coming on the Hugh Hewitt Show sharing your experience. It

744
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: is always good to hear from you because you know

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Speaker 3: what's happening. And if you want to listen to the

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Speaker 3: Hugh Hewitt Show and watch on the Salem News Channel,

747
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Speaker 3: you'll know what's happening. I'm guess ho's Kurt Schlector and

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Speaker 3: there's a lot more happening to come.

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Speaker 2: We are back.

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Speaker 8: You can you believe.

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Speaker 3: That nineteen ninety nine was like twenty six years ago.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm freaking out here a little bit, folks here

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Speaker 3: at the Hugh Hewitt Show. I'm guess its church Lickter,

754
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Speaker 3: and it is my distinct pleasure to bring in the

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Speaker 3: chairman of the Trump Kennedy Center, the guy that Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump sends when there's a problem. He's got Rick Grennell

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Speaker 3: on speed dial. Hi, Rick, Welcome to the showy Kurt.

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me. Great to see you. Happy

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Speaker 4: New Year to you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Happy New Year to you too.

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Speaker 3: And I know Arena sends her regards to I was

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Speaker 3: just wondering, are you guys. I know you guys are

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Speaker 3: having some problem with artists over there. May I suggest

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Speaker 3: a revival of the best Little Smally daycare in Minnesota

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Speaker 3: for the Trump Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 2: Woes that work out?

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Speaker 4: OK?

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Speaker 6: I think what's happening is is that they're proving our

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Speaker 6: point because when I arrived at the Kennedy Center, we

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Speaker 6: we're paying staff with debt reserves. We had no money

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Speaker 6: in the bank, and the shows were so woke that

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Speaker 6: people weren't responding. And so now that you have new

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Speaker 6: management and we're cleaning up the place and we're getting

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Speaker 6: more corporate donors and other donors.

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Speaker 4: Than we've ever had.

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Speaker 6: We've raised one hundred and thirty million dollars in one

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Speaker 6: months for the pot.

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Speaker 2: Wait did you say it crazy.

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Speaker 3: Did you say one hundred's that's Somali daycare money?

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Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty million, that's incredible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Look, and all these stories that the media keep attacking

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Speaker 6: us on, they never talk about how much money we're

784
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Speaker 6: raising because we've fixed programming and corporate America is coming back. Look,

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Speaker 6: the reality is is you're never going to be able

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Speaker 6: to run in our institutions with just ticket sales alone.

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Speaker 6: Ticket sales for every single art institution across to America

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Speaker 6: for the last seven to.

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Speaker 4: Eight years have been in the tank.

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Speaker 6: The only way that you can get to revenue neutral

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Speaker 6: is to have donors and corporations who believe in the

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Speaker 6: programming who write the check to make up the difference.

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Speaker 4: Look the New York Times, which I never quote, Kurt.

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Speaker 6: You know me, I never quote them, But about two

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Speaker 6: and a half months ago, the New York Times did

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Speaker 6: a front page story that said Broadway is dying. Ticket

797
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Speaker 6: sales are in the tank, no one is coming out

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Speaker 6: to live shows. We've seen that since COVID, and so

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Speaker 6: the idea that these political reporters in Washington somehow want

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Speaker 6: to pretend like the Kennedy Center, which also like every

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Speaker 6: arts institution has ticket sale issues. Is somehow different is

802
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Speaker 6: just not true. What is different about us is that

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Speaker 6: we've fixed our problems. We've never been in better financial shape,

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Speaker 6: and that's because when you have big programming, you actually

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Speaker 6: have the corporate support. What we've seen now is shows

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Speaker 6: that were booked under the previous regime saying we don't

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Speaker 6: want to be a part of something that has Donald

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Speaker 6: Trump's name on it. Fine, if you can't perform for conservatives,

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Speaker 6: I don't really think you're an artist. I think artists

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Speaker 6: perform for everyone, regardless of how they believe and who

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Speaker 6: they vote for.

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Speaker 4: And so we're getting.

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Speaker 6: Rid of all these people that want to have some

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Speaker 6: sort of a litmus test to say I'm only going

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Speaker 6: to perform for people who believe like me.

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Speaker 3: Well, Rick Granell, I'm looking at some of these acts

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Speaker 3: that have ostentatiously told you we will not perform a

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Speaker 3: place of filliad with Donald Trump. Something called The Cookers

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Speaker 3: has sold sixty of five hundred tickets. Whoever Chuck read

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Speaker 3: is sixty three out of two hundred for a free show.

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Speaker 3: These guys are they're doing you a favor?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they are, because we're saving money. Look, the reality

823
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Speaker 6: is if we book somebody and who somebody was booked

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Speaker 6: under previous regime, we expect that they fulfill their contract.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise we have a whole bunch of costs.

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Speaker 6: So with Chuck Read, he came out and he said,

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Speaker 6: I'm not performing because Donald Trump's name is on the

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Speaker 6: place now. The reality is is that a lot of

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Speaker 6: people expect to have a show. They had dinner reservations,

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Speaker 6: they booked a car service. We have nineteen unions at

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Speaker 6: the Kennedy Center, so I can't turn those plans off.

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Speaker 6: There's a cost to that. And so what we've said

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Speaker 6: is if you do this because of political reasons, then

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Speaker 6: we will sue.

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Speaker 4: You to get our money back.

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Speaker 6: And so we're suing Chuck Red for one million dollars

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Speaker 6: because he decided that he couldn't perform for Republicans and

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Speaker 6: he canceled at the last minute. And there's a cost

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Speaker 6: to that within the industry. If somebody cancels and they

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Speaker 6: claim it for some other reason, We're not going after

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Speaker 6: every single person who cancels. Matter of fact, as you

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Speaker 6: point out, sometimes when people cancel, it's because they are

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Speaker 6: seeing ticket sales not doing well and they can't find

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Speaker 6: corporate donors and they don't have individual donors. And what

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Speaker 6: I've said to these individuals, you're going to be on

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Speaker 6: the hook if you come here with the show and

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Speaker 6: you can't get to revenue neutral. You got to come

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Speaker 6: up with the difference. There must be a rich person

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Speaker 6: or corporation that believes in your artistry enough to support you.

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Speaker 6: If you can't find someone to pay the bills for

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Speaker 6: your artistry, then I would say that that's a basic

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Speaker 6: principle of economics. You shouldn't ask people to go into

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Speaker 6: debt to watch you look.

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Speaker 3: Next year is a two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of

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Speaker 3: the United States of America. I assume that the Trump

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Speaker 3: Caddy Center is going to honor that. What are your

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Speaker 3: plans for twenty twenty six, Rick, Right now.

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Speaker 4: We have got massive programming coming.

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Speaker 6: Some of the best things that we've been able to

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Speaker 6: book haven't been able to book in years. I'm not

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Speaker 6: going to get in front of it because we want

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Speaker 6: to make sure that we have our marketing materials ready.

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Speaker 6: But you're going to see a couple of big announcements

864
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Speaker 6: and we're really excited about it. I think that people

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Speaker 6: will see that we are going to bring back big,

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Speaker 6: common sense programming. We've already had the stut Guard Ballet.

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Speaker 6: We're bringing the the Vienna Philharmonic, which hasn't been back

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Speaker 6: to the Kennedy Center in decades, probably the world's greatest symphony.

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Speaker 6: And so we have the big acts coming. People want

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Speaker 6: to come. We just had in December Miranda Lambert, Brooks

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Speaker 6: and Dunn Guards, Brooks, Cheap Trick, all celebrating kiss.

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Speaker 2: I Love Cheap Trick. Oh my god, I totally showed up.

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Speaker 6: They reunited at the Kennedy Center. We're getting the big names. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're getting the big names. We just you know, we

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Speaker 6: want to be responsible with the money that we've been given,

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Speaker 6: and we're we've never been in better financial shape, but

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Speaker 6: clearly the left is unhappy. They'd like us to be

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to h HWET Show. I'm guest host Kurt Schlicker.

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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Andrew Clovit. He's he's now the

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Speaker 3: producer of The Charlie. He is a senior official with TPUSA,

917
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Speaker 3: and he is part of a generation that's showing the

918
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Speaker 3: hell out of mind. I mean, Andrew, why is your

919
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: generation making my generation look so damn bad?

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Speaker 12: What?

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Speaker 4: It's good to see a Kurt.

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Speaker 13: It's fun to be on the other side of things. Usually,

923
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 13: you know, I'm interviewing you, but yeah, listen, I think

924
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Speaker 13: you know, I think you're right. Our generation has gotten

925
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Speaker 13: the short end of the stick when it comes to

926
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Speaker 13: the compact that a government makes with its people. And

927
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Speaker 13: we you know, young people in America, they have been

928
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Speaker 13: put by the wayside. They've been told they're toxically masculine,

929
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Speaker 13: they've been told to sit down and shut up, stop complaining.

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Speaker 13: And you know, Meanwhile, foreigners have gotten free debit cards

931
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Speaker 13: filled with cash, free airplane tickets anywhere in the interior

932
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Speaker 13: they want. And you know, eventually the frustration gets to

933
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Speaker 13: a point where you know you want real action taken

934
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Speaker 13: on behalf of your community, your generation, and Americans more broadly.

935
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Speaker 13: So I think, listen, we have a memory of what

936
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Speaker 13: America is supposed to be like, what America should be like.

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Speaker 13: We've been told from our parents what it was like

938
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Speaker 13: when they were growing up, and we realized there's an

939
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Speaker 13: incongruence there, and we want what was ours. We want

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Speaker 13: our birthright, and so we're gonna stand up and fight

941
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Speaker 13: for it. That's what I think.

942
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Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, look, I was there during the golden Age

943
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Speaker 3: of America. I was about your age then, and it's

944
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Speaker 3: all true. I feel like I'm han Solo in that

945
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Speaker 3: terrible seek Star Star Wars sequel. Now it is all true,

946
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Speaker 3: and it rips me up that your generation does not

947
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Speaker 3: have the same opportunities I have.

948
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Speaker 2: But you guys aren't quitting.

949
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Speaker 3: I mean, Charlie Kirk showed us a great example of

950
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Speaker 3: someone who refuses to quit. We got Nick Shirley in Minnesota,

951
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Speaker 3: who is making a whole my generations, regime media reporters

952
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Speaker 3: look like clowns because he's going out and doing the

953
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Speaker 3: real work. I've got a lot of you know, and

954
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Speaker 3: I led your generation as a soldier. I think you

955
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Speaker 3: guys are great, and I'm I'm very happy that your

956
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Speaker 3: generation's coming along.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 13: I think you guys also had some structural disadvantages as

959
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Speaker 13: far as getting the truth. I mean, I think the

960
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Speaker 13: Internet has democratized in some ways negatively. We've seen that too, Kurt,

961
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Speaker 13: but there aren't the gatekeepers that are keeping people like

962
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Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk on the sidelines. I mean, Charlie was able

963
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Speaker 13: to build the Charlie Kirk Show build Turning Point from scratch,

964
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Speaker 13: largely thanks to social media, largely thanks to the ability

965
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Speaker 13: to get the message out in a you know, decentralized,

966
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Speaker 13: democratized way. And we saw that, you know, especially with

967
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Speaker 13: Charlie and TikTok when they took the breaks.

968
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Speaker 12: Off of his account on TikTok.

969
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Speaker 13: We've got billions and billions of views and helped win

970
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Speaker 13: the White House in twenty twenty four because listen, with

971
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Speaker 13: a level playing and decentralized.

972
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Speaker 12: Media pipes and.

973
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Speaker 13: Electrical laid right, we were able to get our message

974
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Speaker 13: out far and wide.

975
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Speaker 12: And so so you guys didn't have that.

976
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Speaker 13: You had the old school legacy news media, you know,

977
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Speaker 13: Fox News in a box, CNN in a box, and

978
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Speaker 13: that was about it. And even you go back further

979
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Speaker 13: and it was Walter Cronkite and that was that was it.

980
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Speaker 4: So the official narrative was the official narrative.

981
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Speaker 12: And I think what.

982
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Speaker 13: You've seen is that this new generation is not putting

983
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Speaker 13: up with the official narrative.

984
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Speaker 12: This new generation wants more, they want.

985
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Speaker 13: Deeper truth, and they've they've become convinced that their elites

986
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Speaker 13: are lying to them. They've been convinced that the institutions

987
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Speaker 13: are selling them out, and they're not.

988
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Speaker 12: Going to put up with it anymore.

989
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Speaker 13: And hopefully what we get on the backside of all

990
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Speaker 13: of this, Tunnult, all this chaos is a more honest

991
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Speaker 13: institutional establishment in this country, a more conservative institutional establishment

992
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Speaker 13: in this country.

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Speaker 12: But also we get some.

994
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Speaker 13: Sanity, right, So I think we've got to we got

995
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Speaker 13: to find a way to marry the too. That's one

996
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Speaker 13: of the reasons why I love having you on the

997
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Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk Show, Kurt is because you you have a

998
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Speaker 13: healthy distrust of the elite in the experts, so called experts.

999
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Speaker 13: But you also have common sense insanity, and you've got

1000
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Speaker 13: to marry the two of those. So hopefully we take

1001
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Speaker 13: the best of both. We chew the meat and spit

1002
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Speaker 13: out the bones, and we come out in a better place,

1003
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Speaker 13: that's more honest.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, a lot of a lot of people are

1005
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Speaker 3: very worried about TPUSA, very concerned that it's going to

1006
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Speaker 3: be able to continue after the terrible murder of Charlie Kirk.

1007
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Speaker 3: How is TPSA doing.

1008
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Speaker 13: Yeah, TPUSA, turning point USA is you know, obviously we're reeling.

1009
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Speaker 13: There's there's no sugarcoating that we lost Charlie in the

1010
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Speaker 13: most horrific type of way, and.

1011
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 12: You know that that's.

1012
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 13: Going to take years of processing, of grieving. You know,

1013
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 13: I've told people, I don't know that we're ever going

1014
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 13: to get over that. I don't know that you're supposed

1015
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 13: to get over something like that. But as far as

1016
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Speaker 13: the organization is considered, I mean, Charlie's legacy is so

1017
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 13: giant and so enormous and so incredible and historic that

1018
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Speaker 13: you know, we're blessed by what he's left us, and

1019
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 13: that is a momentum that you couldn't have possibly imagine.

1020
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Speaker 12: I mean, Kurt, we're.

1021
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Speaker 13: Still opening fifty new Turning Point chapters at college and

1022
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Speaker 13: high schools across the country every single day, and you

1023
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 13: don't really appreciate what a herculean task that is.

1024
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Speaker 4: Until you've started a chapter.

1025
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Speaker 13: You got to to become a registered student organization. You

1026
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 13: got to get a sponsor, you got to fill out paperwork,

1027
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 13: you got to get a core group of kids that

1028
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 13: are all in alignment. You got to get parental involvement

1029
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 13: a lot of times at these high schools. And then

1030
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Speaker 13: you've got to meet with the committees and meet with

1031
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Speaker 13: the faculty, and so it's a multi step process.

1032
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Speaker 12: And our team that's spread out across the.

1033
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Speaker 13: Country is really good at that, thankfully, and they're making

1034
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 13: historic progress. I mean, any grassroots organization in the country

1035
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Speaker 13: can tell you that starting fifty new chapters of their organization.

1036
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Speaker 12: A day is hurt. It's historic.

1037
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Speaker 13: And so we're still drinking through a fire hose trying

1038
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Speaker 13: to get through the backlog of all these new chapter

1039
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Speaker 13: requests and inquiries.

1040
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Speaker 12: And the other thing that.

1041
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 13: I'll tell you is that it's not just that we're

1042
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 13: starting a chapter. These chapters are swelling in size. I

1043
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 13: mean it used to be that we'd have chapters with

1044
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 13: like five six students at them, and maybe the meetings

1045
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 13: would have twenty at them. Now we have core groups

1046
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 13: of like fifty and the meetings have hundreds at them.

1047
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 13: So even just the interest organic at the chapter level

1048
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 13: is tremendous. The social media engagement has remained robusted, extremely high.

1049
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 13: And you know, you saw Amfest. We had thirty one

1050
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 13: thousand people at Amfest and that was obviously historical. We

1051
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 13: had to turn off ticketing and it drove the news

1052
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 13: cycle just before Christmas every day basically, And I will

1053
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 13: tell you we're also launching a pick up the Mic

1054
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 13: Campus tour in the spring.

1055
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Speaker 4: We're going to be doing the proven me Wrong, so

1056
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 4: we're going.

1057
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Speaker 13: To be doing the arenas and the indoor events at

1058
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 13: night as well, and we're going to do the another

1059
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 13: piece of it where we're calling it the Make Heaven

1060
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 13: Crowded Tour, which is kind of this revival style TPUSA

1061
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 13: faith event that we're taking on the road all across

1062
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 13: the country. So the organization is strong, I mean, the

1063
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 13: interest is incredible and the grassroots support is unprecedented. So

1064
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 13: on the one hand, we're never gonna get over Charlie.

1065
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 13: But on the other hand, you know, he's left us

1066
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 13: with such a momentum that we are honor bound, duty

1067
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 13: bound to continue and see that mission through.

1068
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Speaker 3: Well look my feeling watching Erica Kirk and her grace

1069
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: in the days after that terrible that terrible murder. I thought,

1070
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 3: these guys don't know what they've unleashed. They don't know

1071
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: what they've unleashed. The question the audience has because you

1072
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: know the audience, this AUDIENCECWS a little older, is you know,

1073
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: we know that it was the young people who swung

1074
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 3: the last election for Donald Trump, which was a shock.

1075
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: We did not expect it.

1076
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: You probably expected it because you're much more in touch

1077
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: with them than we are. What is TPUSA going to

1078
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: do for the twenty twenty six election cycle.

1079
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, listen, we are going to continue messaging

1080
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 13: and we're going to keep having those debates. I mean,

1081
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 13: there's no replacing Charlie's ability to do that. But I

1082
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 13: will tell you that even Charlie was warning that this

1083
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 13: was temporary. The gains that we have with young people,

1084
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 13: it was wet cement. It was not locked in stone

1085
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 13: by by any means Kurt, and we need to raise

1086
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 13: that alarm bell. Charlie was raising that alarm bell actively.

1087
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 13: He was, you know, he didn't like the way that

1088
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 13: Epstein situation was handled, he didn't like the way that

1089
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 13: some of the foreign policy issues were handled, and he was,

1090
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 13: you know, sounding the alarm bell.

1091
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 12: About the affordability crisis.

1092
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 13: Young people can't afford to own homes, they can't afford

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Speaker 13: to get married.

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Speaker 12: We have a whole.

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Speaker 13: Economic system and from a policy position as well, that

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Speaker 13: favors the incumbents, the economic incumbents the people probably more

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Speaker 13: in this audience. And that's no disgrace to the people

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Speaker 13: in this audience. It's just saying, when we're making economic policy,

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Speaker 13: when we're making housing policy, when we're doing these things,

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Speaker 13: we have to be thinking about how do these young

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Speaker 13: people get on that first rung of the ladder of

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Speaker 13: economic progress.

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Speaker 12: And you know, right now, many of them feel blocked out.

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Speaker 13: They feel like the American dream is priced out of

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Speaker 13: their ability to pay. And so Charlie was saying, and

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Speaker 13: I agree that we need an economic moonshop for gen Z.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, we could message, yeah, we can hit social media,

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Speaker 13: but ultimately we have to have something that's believable to sell, Kurt.

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Speaker 13: And so if the promises that we're made in the

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Speaker 13: campaign don't come to fruition, or if they can't see

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Speaker 13: ample progress that you know, affordability is being dealt with,

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Speaker 13: or that jobs are being dealt with, or that they're

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Speaker 13: housing crisis is being dealt with, then guess what, then

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Speaker 13: we're going to have a hell of a time trying

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Speaker 13: to sell that through. But if in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 13: if what Scott Besson is saying a treasury that you

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Speaker 13: know twenty twenty five was setting the table, twenty twenty

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Speaker 13: six is the banquet, it's the feast. If that's true,

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Speaker 13: even sixty percent true, I think we've got a great

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Speaker 13: message to to get out to the American people into

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Speaker 13: gen Z and if they can feel real relief, they're

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Speaker 13: going to be in a much better place.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Corvette of TP USA Turning Point USA, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for coming on the Hugh Hewit Show. Frankly,

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Speaker 3: it was Charlie Kirk who turned me on to what's

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Speaker 3: happening with young people in a way I hadn't thought

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Speaker 3: of before. And Andrew's right, we need to focus on

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Speaker 3: that guys.

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Speaker 2: In my generation.

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Speaker 3: We need to make sure we're not pulling the ladder

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Speaker 3: up behind us. Listen to Andrew, he knows what's up.

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Speaker 3: I'm Kurt Schlickter, guest hosing here for the Great Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 3: We are back on the Hugh Hewit Show. I'm guest

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Speaker 3: host Kurt Schlickter. We're joined by.

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Speaker 2: James Lilax, who I'm sure you. I'm sure you've got a.

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Speaker 3: Take or two on a Somali gate.

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Speaker 8: How you doing.

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Speaker 14: You know it's interesting you kick that off of the

1139
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Speaker 14: Mary Tyler theme show played in a little different style

1140
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Speaker 14: than the Sunny Curtis original because in the last few

1141
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Speaker 14: years of the marytittle Moore Show, she moved to this

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Speaker 14: place called Cedar Square West, which is this big urban

1143
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Speaker 14: development that would combine Section eight with the highest of

1144
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Speaker 14: high and had a tall tower at the top of

1145
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Speaker 14: which would be the rich people looking down in the

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Speaker 14: glittering city below, and then around it would have housing

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Speaker 14: for everybody.

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Speaker 8: I lived there for a while, I hated it.

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Speaker 14: That is the place now when you see the footage

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Speaker 14: of them going into the Somali community to the big

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Speaker 14: concrete complexes, see that they call a little Mogadishu.

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Speaker 8: That's where Marytotler Moore used to live. That's the place.

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Speaker 14: She doesn't live there anymore, and Minneapolis is a different

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Speaker 14: place now. As to what's going on, well, there's nothing

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Speaker 14: that I can add that a young kid with an

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Speaker 14: iPhone showing up and knocking on doors hasn't been able

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Speaker 14: to add. I will note this. The most interesting development

1158
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Speaker 14: to me today is that the sign of the Leering

1159
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Speaker 14: center apparently has been changed so it is now a

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Speaker 14: learning center. And I kind of miss leering because that

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Speaker 14: was a word that was going to enter the language.

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Speaker 14: I think, almost like kofev. It's just those misspellings that

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Speaker 14: somehow sum things up. So the other part of this, though,

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Speaker 14: that's interesting, is that the pushback now is that the

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Speaker 14: kid didn't know what he was doing. Here's with the

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Speaker 14: errors of the statements. This is all overblown and it's

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Speaker 14: really motivated by racism, and that's I think going to

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Speaker 14: dominate a lot of the discussion, and frankly, that's a

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Speaker 14: lot of what has kept the discussion from happening in

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Speaker 14: the first place, is that the only objection you can

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Speaker 14: have to fraud that is being revealed, whether it be autism, centers,

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Speaker 14: whether it be adult care centers, whether it be childcare

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Speaker 14: centers as well.

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Speaker 8: Why are you looking so? Why are you looking at them?

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Speaker 14: There's got to be some reason to it other than

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Speaker 14: you're looking for fraud. So what happens after this?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 14: Is it possible that Tim Waltz will suffer in an

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Speaker 14: electoral defeat, entirely possible.

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Speaker 8: They've been pulling.

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Speaker 14: People all over the state and something like sixty percent

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Speaker 14: of them say that fraud is yes, a major consideration,

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Speaker 14: and they're voting.

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Speaker 8: They're already concerned about it. Imagine that.

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Speaker 14: But there's so many diehard absolutely pull the liver for

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Speaker 14: a d no matter what, in the big metropolitan Aryan Minneapolis,

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Speaker 14: that I can easily see Waltz is surviving this and

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Speaker 14: becoming governor again.

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Speaker 8: I will tell you.

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Speaker 14: That the incuriosity of media is not because they have.

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Speaker 8: Some orders from on top to ignore these things. That's

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Speaker 8: not the way it works.

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Speaker 14: You'll hear a lot of people who say, look the publisher,

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Speaker 14: the publisher of the paper.

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Speaker 8: As a former Waltz guid yeah, it was now, I

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Speaker 8: worked there. I worked there for thirty seven years.

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Speaker 14: Did I ever hear anything coming down from above telling

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Speaker 14: me what to write. No, never, never, But I will

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Speaker 14: tell you that you don't have to sometimes when the

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Speaker 14: general atmosphere of the newsroom is is gosh, these you know,

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Speaker 14: liberalism is the really the only, the only correct way

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Speaker 14: for a proper person to think. When Waltz got the

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Speaker 14: Deep nomination, I can't tell you the sort of squeeze

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Speaker 14: that went on. And you know, let's do a store

1205
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Speaker 14: Let's do a story about how he's really a gamer,

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Speaker 14: he loves to play Madden Football.

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Speaker 8: Let's do a story about it, hunting and all the

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Speaker 8: rest of it.

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Speaker 14: There was just our tim and I didn't go along

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Speaker 14: with that, And that's not why I'm not there anymore.

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Speaker 14: I retired, but I don't miss being in that bubble.

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Speaker 3: Well, James Lilax, I think part of it is they

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Speaker 3: reside in the bubble. Part of it is well, humiliation

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Speaker 3: and envy. I mean, this little twenty three year old

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 3: whipper snapper with an iPhone came out and while it

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Speaker 3: had been reported before, obviously those reports hadn't changed anything.

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Speaker 3: This guy puts it on video, makes it viral. Everybody,

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Speaker 3: As you point out, everybody knows what leering center is.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and ten million views on YouTube's that's about

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Speaker 3: two hundred and ten times what CNN gets.

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Speaker 14: It's extraordinary, it really is. Now, there might be some

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Speaker 14: endy there, but I think it may be sublimated. And

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Speaker 14: that's not forrobably the primary thing. I think a lot

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Speaker 14: of it is just being flat footed as a news

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Speaker 14: organization when things are changing so fast that yes, a

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Speaker 14: kid with an iPhone can scoop you. There's a piece

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Speaker 14: in the paper today, as a matter of fact, talking

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Speaker 14: about how the Minnesota has now Minnesota's fraud story has

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Speaker 14: entered the influence era.

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Speaker 8: It's not bad.

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Speaker 14: And I went to read it to say, you know,

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Speaker 14: that's exactly what it is, because now, well we've had

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Speaker 14: ever since the blogs came out, there have been competition

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Speaker 14: of the paper, but now, yes, this is really something.

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Speaker 14: And I couldn't get to the piece because it was paywalled.

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Speaker 8: And that's part of the problem. The old I mean, yes,

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Speaker 8: we have to make money.

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Speaker 14: We got to figure out a way to keep the

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Speaker 14: lights on and keep the journalist's salaries done. But that's

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Speaker 14: part of the problem is that the old newspapers, I

1241
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 14: mean they the print is dying. So the idea that

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Speaker 14: the news comes out once a day is long dead,

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Speaker 14: but they still put out a paper. The idea that

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Speaker 14: you have to be constantly on top of things and

1245
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 14: constantly refreshing your website is dominant. But if it's paywalled

1246
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Speaker 14: and it's not that interesting and you don't have the

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Speaker 14: staff and you don't have the inclination, yeah, the eyes

1248
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Speaker 14: are going to go elsewhere. So it's not maybe envy

1249
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Speaker 14: so much as it is this sort of gut wrenching

1250
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 14: rerealization that the old media dinosaurs are just being lapped

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Speaker 14: and taken apart.

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Speaker 8: By new media and the various manifestations of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you watch something like this, surely, and you have

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Speaker 3: to wonder, what is the purpose of a traditional newsroom

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Speaker 3: at a traditional paper. Obviously they're not printing it the

1256
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Speaker 3: same way they used to, but you would have thought

1257
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Speaker 3: it would have been the ability to have editorial oversight,

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Speaker 3: the ability to finance investigative stuff, the ability to speak

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Speaker 3: to a wide audience. I mean, and none of those

1260
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Speaker 3: are true anymore.

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Speaker 8: Well, and for variety of reasons. When you talk about

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Speaker 8: those big.

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Speaker 14: Things, I mean, the newspapers still to this day, in

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Speaker 14: order to chase that policer will come up with a

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Speaker 14: big story, like the big enterprise pieces. They like to

1266
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Speaker 14: send people out and do these things. But the problem

1267
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Speaker 14: is you spend a lot of money on it, and

1268
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Speaker 14: what kind.

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Speaker 8: Of clicks to you get?

1270
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Speaker 14: What kind of return do you get on if you're

1271
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 14: looking at how many eyeballs you get and how many

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Speaker 14: of those people then converts to a subscription. I mean,

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Speaker 14: you get one hundred thousand eyeballs and you get ten

1274
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Speaker 14: subscriptions out of it.

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Speaker 8: You just figure, what's the point of this.

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Speaker 14: So whereas yes, it used to be these large institutions

1277
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Speaker 14: had the money to do something and the audience that

1278
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 14: was looking forward to it because there weren't.

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Speaker 8: An awful lot about their opportunities, and that was a

1280
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Speaker 8: great age frankly. Now, yes it was a monoculture.

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Speaker 14: Yes it was always giving you standard received wisdom of

1282
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 14: your technocratic managerial class. But at the same time you

1283
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Speaker 14: did look the newspapers to do this sort of thing.

1284
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Speaker 14: And now people just simply don't expect that. What they

1285
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 14: want our sports scores, and they don't even want the

1286
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Speaker 14: comics anymore because they can get those online.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, James Lilacs, I think one other thing

1288
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Speaker 3: that the newspapers are missing are guys like James Lilacs,

1289
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Speaker 3: or when I was growing up in the reading San

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Speaker 3: Francisco Chronicle, herb came the individuals, the guy with a vision,

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Speaker 3: the guy who was like, you couldn't hear anybody like

1292
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: him anywhere else, and that's what you got on the paper,

1293
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Speaker 3: and that's gone. James Lilacs at Substack, Go follow him,

1294
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Speaker 3: read everything he writes on Kurt Schlichter, this is thing

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Speaker 3: you knew