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Speaker 4: That Charlie Kirk Show is underway and we have Sean Davis,
Speaker 4: co founder and CEO of the Federalists, joining us.
Speaker 3: Sean, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Good to
Speaker 3: have you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Good to be back. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I called you about this story because I am raising
Speaker 4: a five alarm, five alarm fire for the state of Virginia.
Speaker 4: What is happening there, I think is a precursor that
Speaker 4: portends ill for the entire country, especially with the midterms.
Speaker 3: You get a lot of people.
Speaker 4: Talking about, Oh, I don't feel good about the midterms.
Speaker 4: I think we can win the midterms. I think the
Speaker 4: economic numbers are going to give us win to our sales,
Speaker 4: but it's going to be an uphill battle. Plus you've
Speaker 4: got the Senate races, you got house races that are
Speaker 4: gonna be hotly contested, governor's mansions, all all of those
Speaker 4: races in between. Tell us about Virginia. You've spent a
Speaker 4: lot of time in Virginia. Your partner, Molly's based in Virginia.
Speaker 4: I believe over the Federalist and I mean, we all
Speaker 4: have a lot of friends there. This is bad what
Speaker 4: they are doing. In a matter of days. This is
Speaker 4: like the shokun Off. Firste hundred days of the Trump administration,
Speaker 4: only Democrat style in a blue state that only went
Speaker 4: for Kamala Harris by six points.
Speaker 5: With the legislature that will pass things, with a legislature
Speaker 5: that high minded Democrats will actually pass things, unlike you know,
Speaker 5: our our.
Speaker 4: Rowdy bunch of congressional folks that are very independent minded, Sean,
Speaker 4: what do you make of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Virginia is fascinating because, yes, in presidentials it's been
Speaker 1: blue I think since eight but it's not that blue
Speaker 1: of a state. So they just had a red governor
Speaker 1: in Glenn Youngkin for four years. It's not uncommon for
Speaker 1: them to have red majorities in the state legislature in
Speaker 1: either house. So this isn't a massive blue state like
Speaker 1: a Vermont or a Massachusetts or New York. It's actually
Speaker 1: pretty purple. A lot of people like to analogisee it
Speaker 1: to Colorado. It's not. It's definitely more towards the center
Speaker 1: than Colorado, but it's faced a similar takeover. And I
Speaker 1: think what's happening there is a major microcosm, a really
Speaker 1: important microcosm for what's happening in the country writ large,
Speaker 1: and you're seeing it in this woman, Abigail Spamberger, career Democrat,
Speaker 1: was a former CIA stooge. She presents as a moderate.
Speaker 1: Oh look, I'm just like a pretty blonde, nice moderate lady.
Speaker 1: When she is a radical left wing ideologue. And when
Speaker 1: she came in, despite Virginia not being a super blue state,
Speaker 1: she does what Democrats always do because Democrats understand power.
Speaker 1: She's going in and even though she only got you know,
Speaker 1: we'll say like fifty five percent of the vote, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, she's not saying, oh, we're only going to
Speaker 1: do fifty five percent of what we want. We are
Speaker 1: going to do one hundred percent what we want because
Speaker 1: you can't do anything to stop it. And it's scary
Speaker 1: because the Democrat Party has become so radical. It's abortion
Speaker 1: on demand, it's gutting a law that protected babies who
Speaker 1: survived abortions. It's making illegal immigration enforcement illegal itself. It's
Speaker 1: making the whole state a sanctuary. It's banning guns, it's
Speaker 1: doing speech crackdowns. When Democrats get in power, because they
Speaker 1: understand power, they wield it ruthlessly, and quite honestly is horrifying.
Speaker 1: As I find what she's doing, I'm honestly jealous because
Speaker 1: I would love to have a party representing me all
Speaker 1: throughout Washington, not just in the White House, that understands power,
Speaker 1: how to attain it, how to maintain it, and how
Speaker 1: to wield it. Because the Democrats are putting on an
Speaker 1: absolute clinic in what you actually do when you're in power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really well.
Speaker 5: See Sean, we were talking during so you've seen all, yeah,
Speaker 5: the abortion stuff, but this really remarkable one that was
Speaker 5: introduced yesterday, which it would only it's a simple bill
Speaker 5: to rewrite that when a state agency is administering federal funds,
Speaker 5: they are not allowed to impose a requirement on nonprofits
Speaker 5: to check whether anyone receiving a benefit is eligible.
Speaker 3: For that bene. Which is remarkable.
Speaker 4: So their lesson that they are gleaning from the Somali
Speaker 4: fraud scheme that has robbed US taxpayers of probably anywhere
Speaker 4: between ten and nineteen twenty billion dollars in counting. We'll
Speaker 4: see how big it gets when we start uncovering Washington,
Speaker 4: we start uncovering Maine. I'm told there are new immigration
Speaker 4: crackdowns happening in Maine right now targeting the Somali community.
Speaker 4: But their takeaway from this is that we want to
Speaker 4: block oversight we want to block accountability. And I just
Speaker 4: cannot get over this, Sean that anything we do, even
Speaker 4: if it makes sense, even if we cure cancer, their
Speaker 4: party's reaction is to run the other way and to
Speaker 4: just put their head in the sand, complete ostrich act
Speaker 4: like it didn't happen, and defend what they think are
Speaker 4: their values. What are their values here, Sean, That they
Speaker 4: like fraud, that they like misuse of taxpayer funding and
Speaker 4: there has to be a federal bonds to stuff that
Speaker 4: is this insane? But I don't know if this is
Speaker 4: a psychological dilemma. I don't know if this is this
Speaker 4: is something that needs to be studied from a sociological level.
Speaker 4: But this is patently insane, and I cannot, for the
Speaker 4: life of me look at what Donald Trump and the
Speaker 4: president immigration, economic, what we're accomplishing, and see why they
Speaker 4: hate it so much.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's easy. It's an uncomfortable answer, but
Speaker 1: it's an easy one, and that it's entirely spiritual. If
Speaker 1: you look at something and you want to figure out
Speaker 1: which one is the good side and which is the
Speaker 1: bad side, look at the side that wants things to
Speaker 1: be ugly and chaotic and disorderly and manic. That's the
Speaker 1: bad side. Look at the side that wants to make
Speaker 1: things beautiful, that believes in order and putting things where
Speaker 1: they belong. That's the good side. And it's because the
Speaker 1: good reflects our Creator, who is perfect and good and orderly.
Speaker 1: We worship and we were made by a God of order,
Speaker 1: not a god of chaos. So I think it is
Speaker 1: absolutely spiritual at its very core, and that we're never
Speaker 1: going to get around that. So often we try to
Speaker 1: talk around it and be like, well, it's about ideologies
Speaker 1: and philosophies and blah blah blah. That's all downstream from
Speaker 1: your worldview, which is built on a foundation of where
Speaker 1: you see yourself in the cosmic order, where you believe
Speaker 1: in a great creator, whether you believe in inherent good
Speaker 1: and inherent evil. The Democrat Party is evil. It's just
Speaker 1: come out and say it. It's evil. It's why it
Speaker 1: wants to kill babies, it's why it wants to eviscerate borders.
Speaker 1: It's why it wants to eliminate mandatory minimum sentence for rapists,
Speaker 1: for child exployers, for people who attack cops, for people
Speaker 1: guilty of manslaughter and murder, and I will say on
Speaker 1: spam Berger again, Democrats understand power. You'll hear Republicans when
Speaker 1: they get in power, because they're terrified of wielding it,
Speaker 1: say things like, well, politics is the art of the possible,
Speaker 1: and they'll lecture you very smugly on it. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: Politics is about rewarding your friends and punisharing your enemies,
Speaker 1: and the Democrats do it brilliantly. So the foreigners, the Somalis,
Speaker 1: the scamsters, the fraudsters, that is the Democrat Party's base,
Speaker 1: that is who is being rewarded here. The Democrat Party
Speaker 1: cannot exist without shipping these people in, making them rich
Speaker 1: and getting them to use their fraud bucks to elect
Speaker 1: more Democrats. So that's what they're doing. And again there
Speaker 1: is a lesson here for Republicans to learn. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're gonna learn the wrong one. But the lesson here
Speaker 1: is when you get in power, you wield it ruthlessly
Speaker 1: and you support the people who put you there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, you know, probably I'm naive, Sean,
Speaker 4: but when you say that politics is about punishing your
Speaker 4: enemies and rewarding your friends, there's like this part of
Speaker 4: me that you know, remembers, you know, watching the World
Speaker 4: War two movies and the John Wayne movies, and like,
Speaker 4: I gotta think you know that we as Americans can
Speaker 4: you know, ban together. It's some some sort of elevated
Speaker 4: pitch than that, because man, that's that's a really dark realit.
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with you functionally, you know, I think
Speaker 4: of this in terms of the American Empire, right, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, listen, we're gonna we're gonna exert our force
Speaker 4: abroad because we're the most powerful, and we're gonna take
Speaker 4: care of our own, our own people.
Speaker 3: I totally get that.
Speaker 4: But when you come to the domestic front, but you
Speaker 4: hope that it's gonna be different. But it's hard to
Speaker 4: disagree with you. Man, it's hard to disagree with you
Speaker 4: that when you are confronted by an ideological force that
Speaker 4: is so dark, that is killing babies, that wants chaos,
Speaker 4: that wants criminals on its streets. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: what they're doing. They're defending criminal illegals that are child.
Speaker 6: They're very evil.
Speaker 5: I actually will I actually do a little disagree with this.
Speaker 6: You hear this.
Speaker 5: It's all about rewarding friends, punishing enemies. It's this Karl
Speaker 5: Schmidt thing. We can talk about him sometime.
Speaker 3: You've sparked debated here.
Speaker 6: Oh, it definitely will. It definitely will.
Speaker 5: But I think it is important a message like don't
Speaker 5: don't be a wuss, don't be a coward, and like,
Speaker 5: actually think about what you're able to do, because Republicans
Speaker 5: love to just be inert.
Speaker 6: They're kind of lazy.
Speaker 5: It's like, think about all the DEI departments that just
Speaker 5: sat around in red states forever. That's not You don't
Speaker 5: need to frame that in terms of oh, reward allies
Speaker 5: punished enemies. You just frame that in terms of don't
Speaker 5: don't be an idiot, don't do things that are obviously
Speaker 5: against your value.
Speaker 1: But they're not lazy. Ask Zelensky how lazy they are.
Speaker 1: They will shovel bucks out America into that little midget's
Speaker 1: mouth faster than you can blink. They're not lazy. They're cowards,
Speaker 1: and they have a very different idea of who they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be serving than we are. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the main problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and by the way, Sean, I completely agree with you.
Speaker 4: This is a spiritual war. I've got a clip from
Speaker 4: Charlie teed Up that We're going to play on the
Speaker 4: other side of his break. That underscores your point, and
Speaker 4: I completely agree. At some level, the insanity just becomes
Speaker 4: so brazen and so you know, nonsensical that what it
Speaker 4: has to be.
Speaker 3: It's demonic.
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Speaker 4: this exact thing.
Speaker 3: Three point fifty one.
Speaker 2: This is why your faith is the most important thing,
Speaker 2: because for those of us that are Christians, you actually
Speaker 2: see what's going on, which is that we do not
Speaker 2: wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and darkness
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Speaker 4: Charlie was super tuned into this. I think we are
Speaker 4: as well here, Sean, so I totally agree. I don't
Speaker 4: know how else you explain the insanity that we've lived under.
Speaker 4: And it almost feels like in the ear of Trump,
Speaker 4: it's like the demons are shrieking, and so now they're
Speaker 4: just it's like total mask off, the veil is torn.
Speaker 4: They're out in the open amongst us, because how else
Speaker 4: do you explain the radicalness and the brazenness of a
Speaker 4: D plus sixth state going full Marxist, going full Marxist.
Speaker 4: But I digress, Sean, unless you want to chime in
Speaker 4: on that. But I do want to talk about a
Speaker 4: year in review for.
Speaker 1: Me kind of the it was made obvious as the
Speaker 1: whole trans thing reared its disgusting little head. If you
Speaker 1: can't agree on just the basis of reality of whether
Speaker 1: boys or boys or girls and girls, clearly there's something
Speaker 1: going on but beyond the conscious rational level, and it
Speaker 1: can only be spiritual.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's the bad and the ugly, but there
Speaker 4: is good happening. One year in review of President Trump,
Speaker 4: let's just play part one of this three forty seven.
Speaker 7: Our sovereignty will be reclaimed.
Speaker 4: There have been ninety two people charged in this fraud
Speaker 4: scheme in Minnesota.
Speaker 6: Mcduro Venezuela. What they're doing. They're trying to kill our kids.
Speaker 2: They're trying to bring drugs into our country.
Speaker 5: It's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: We're gonna come after you after Venezuelan President Nico las
Speaker 2: Maduro sits in a federal jail in Brooklyn.
Speaker 8: Escorted by Drug Enforcement Administrator Terry Cole.
Speaker 5: Thanks to the relentless work of our prosecutors and our
Speaker 5: federal agents, El Maaya will spend the rest of his
Speaker 5: life behind bars.
Speaker 8: Our safety will be restored.
Speaker 3: Murders of the US are on pace for the largest
Speaker 3: one year drop.
Speaker 1: I shall police say, homicides and robberies are at multi
Speaker 1: year lows.
Speaker 5: The numbers were released by DC Police show a safer
Speaker 5: year for the city in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: And that's just part one. There's a part two. The
Speaker 4: administration put that out. I thought it was fair and
Speaker 4: it kind of highlighted and reminded me of some things
Speaker 4: that RFK Junior was on with Jesse Waters last night
Speaker 4: on Fox. He said that you know what, he was
Speaker 4: asked what was your number one accomplishment? And it kind
Speaker 4: of surprised people, and he said, what was actually most
Speaker 4: favored nation drug prices are dropping. Trump used tariffs to
Speaker 4: leverage as leverage to negotiate with European partners and drug companies.
Speaker 4: A lot of good stuff is happening Sean in a
Speaker 4: historic sense. Put this, put Trump's one year in office
Speaker 4: in context for us.
Speaker 3: How good has it been? What would you like to
Speaker 3: see more of?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I think it's been spectacular. You know, has been putting
Speaker 1: points on the board across the board. He's completely sealed
Speaker 1: the border. He's fixed the border. He's dealing with immigration,
Speaker 1: he's doing mass deportations. He's made America, say for number one,
Speaker 1: by not doing stupid nonsense everywhere, and number two by
Speaker 1: actually going and dealing with threats discreetly as he finds
Speaker 1: them and then just leaving it at that. A good
Speaker 1: example there would be the Iran nuclear threat, which he dispatched,
Speaker 1: and then going in and kidnapping the dictator of Venezuela
Speaker 1: like he's some sort of historical artifact in the Nick
Speaker 1: Cage heist movie. Then you have the Maha stuff. You
Speaker 1: have RFK Junior kind of resetting these insane vaccine schedules
Speaker 1: that we had for babies. He's fixed the food pyramid,
Speaker 1: which for decades was nonsense and was just telling people, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to be just gorging yourselves on carbs because
Speaker 1: that's what your body needs. So we've seen changes on
Speaker 1: that where I think we've really been lacking. And this
Speaker 1: isn't a Trump problem at all. It goes back to
Speaker 1: what we were talking about earlier is totally inapt action
Speaker 1: and an unwillingness to do what needs to be done
Speaker 1: in the Republican Congress. And what we've learned is that
Speaker 1: having a great president is great. It's indispensable. You can't
Speaker 1: get things done without a great president. But you need
Speaker 1: more than just a president doing stuff as the head
Speaker 1: of the executive branch. You have to have people making
Speaker 1: everything he's doing permanent law.
Speaker 3: You have to have them going.
Speaker 5: To the phi pan Son philibus, but nuca filibuster if
Speaker 5: you can pass stuff. But to your point, it would
Speaker 5: actually make a zombie Congress actually do stuff.
Speaker 6: Again, it would, it would, It would make Congress real.
Speaker 5: But that well, it might be that you make Congress
Speaker 5: reel only so people can really very clearly see the
Speaker 5: members of their own party who are It's you know,
Speaker 5: it's like you put on the they live glasses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see what the reality. At least we have the
Speaker 3: VETO with President Trump right now.
Speaker 4: I mean, so if they pass crazy stuff, okay, we
Speaker 4: get the veto, and then, you know, hopefully by twenty
Speaker 4: twenty eight we regain some mojo. You know, I'm I
Speaker 4: don't know that. I'm becoming way more convinced. The only
Speaker 4: way to make the fake, you know, democracy kind of
Speaker 4: thing that we've got going on right now, where it's
Speaker 4: basically rule by executive order and Congress is completely paralyzed,
Speaker 4: is you got to nuke the filibuster. Let the cards
Speaker 4: out on the table, let's get let's let's see where
Speaker 4: things lie. I mean, I know there's risk in that,
Speaker 4: but there's no other option to get immigration fixed. There's
Speaker 4: no other option to get voter ID fixed.
Speaker 3: Sean, Well, yeah, so I agree.
Speaker 1: I think in a vacuum, you know, it's easier to
Speaker 1: pass things with fifty plus one than it is with sixty.
Speaker 1: But the problem is the composition of that fifty plus one.
Speaker 1: And I think if we were to go in and
Speaker 1: nuke the filibuster today, I don't think they would pass anything.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I think the composition of Republicans in
Speaker 1: Washington is such a huge problem that what we actually
Speaker 1: would need if we wanted to get things passed was
Speaker 1: moved to threshold down to about thirty five. I think
Speaker 1: then you could actually get Republicans to do stuff, and
Speaker 1: so I think it's really really important, especially as we're
Speaker 1: heading into a primary season. Republican voters have to wake up.
Speaker 1: It's not enough to send a Republican to Washington. You
Speaker 1: have to send the right Republican to Washington. If you don't,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what your vote threshold shown, Sty'll have
Speaker 1: find a reason to not do anything.
Speaker 3: Sean.
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Speaker 4: Vittorio, you are joining us now. You had welcome to
Speaker 4: the Charlie Kirk Show. It's great to have you you.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: We talked earlier this morning, just prepping for this. There
Speaker 4: was a Bill Ackman tweet where political scientists data quants
Speaker 4: have been telling us this for a half decade, women
Speaker 4: have moved radically leftward at a scale and speed with
Speaker 4: no modern precedent, while men have, on the whole remain
Speaker 4: largely steady and unchanged. You and Bill Lackman asked the
Speaker 4: question why, and you responded and you this really amazing
Speaker 4: article that went viral across the internet. I'd never seen
Speaker 4: your account before that, but now I've seen you multiple places.
Speaker 4: You're now in the algorithm everywhere. So congrats, I'm breaking through.
Speaker 4: And so please welcome to the show and tell us
Speaker 4: give us the basis of your thesis here.
Speaker 7: Well, thanks for having me, it's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 7: My thesis, I don't know. Personally speaking, I don't think
Speaker 7: I've enlightened people. I mean, I just tried to put
Speaker 7: together things that I thought were known. But first, I'm
Speaker 7: really glad that it was well perceived and were received.
Speaker 7: But my core thesis is that because of some reason,
Speaker 7: there was this convergence of different technologies that allow this
Speaker 7: to happen, and the reason for these happening is that
Speaker 7: men and women are just fundamentally different and we can't
Speaker 7: really do anything about this. A shocking we evolved under
Speaker 7: different apparently, yes, but biological men biological women are fundamentally
Speaker 7: different and we evolved under different kind of selection pressure,
Speaker 7: under kind of evolutionary pressure. That we're very different. And
Speaker 7: that's because we're biologically different. I mean, we are a
Speaker 7: dimorphicsed pieces. We evolve as men and women, and we
Speaker 7: have very different kind of characteristics, like just I mean
Speaker 7: on a very simple level in terms of strength, and
Speaker 7: so women need more defense and men don't necessarily have this.
Speaker 7: So women to be protected, they need something that keeps
Speaker 7: them safe. And once the safety lacks because they don't
Speaker 7: have i would say strong, a good man in their life,
Speaker 7: then they need to find protection and safety into the group.
Speaker 7: And this when technologies as like social media and smartphones
Speaker 7: are available, then the consensus comes from the like the
Speaker 7: group gives you, the consensus gives you, it is protection
Speaker 7: and so it's much more easy for them to be
Speaker 7: polarized because they need to be in agreement with the
Speaker 7: group to feel a sense of belonging.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you say you describe social media, the rise
Speaker 4: of social media as basically the triggering event. And when
Speaker 4: I thought, this is something that I've thought for a
Speaker 4: long time. So to your earlier point is the ideas
Speaker 4: that I've sort of known and I've been thinking around.
Speaker 4: But you concisely put it into this one article. And
Speaker 4: it's basically like, you got Facebook launched in two thousand
Speaker 4: and four, it was college until two thousand and six,
Speaker 4: the iPhone launches in two thousand and seven, but then
Speaker 4: in about twenty twelve, thirteen and fourteen, you have mass
Speaker 4: adoption of smartphones, and that's about when you start seeing
Speaker 4: this really radical divergence. And it's not just an American phenomenon.
Speaker 4: This is what you point out in graph three fifty five.
Speaker 4: This is I believe we showed this graph when Charlie
Speaker 4: was around with us and he marveled at this as well.
Speaker 4: So South Korea, US, Germany, UK, you get this massive
Speaker 4: divergence between men and women. Now, this graph sort of
Speaker 4: makes it look like men are getting more right wing,
Speaker 4: but actually the data shows that men are sort of
Speaker 4: staying stable, women are becoming more radicalized. But you describe
Speaker 4: the forcing function, as that the Internet is a giant
Speaker 4: algorithmic consensus builder. What do you mean by that and
Speaker 4: why does that affect women more than men?
Speaker 7: Well, because I so it's common to blame social media
Speaker 7: and people who design social media Facebook or whatever, But
Speaker 7: I don't think that social media wants these to happen,
Speaker 7: or at least the owners of social media want these
Speaker 7: to happen. Is that the platform have to be optimized
Speaker 7: for engagement and time spent on the platform. So like,
Speaker 7: if you want to create revenue as a business, you
Speaker 7: need to optimize the time that people spend using your business.
Speaker 7: And in case of social media, they need to spend
Speaker 7: time on it. And men and women react differently to
Speaker 7: different news and women are like this is known that
Speaker 7: we have different personalities. Women are more empathetic, women are
Speaker 7: more agreeable, Women have a higher neuroticism. So a news
Speaker 7: and an event that makes them feel more empathetic and
Speaker 7: present some kind of suffering is resonates more with women
Speaker 7: than with men. And still going back to the fact
Speaker 7: that women are physically weaker than men, women are easier
Speaker 7: to complain than men. Like we grew up and like
Speaker 7: it's always been known that if a man was complaining,
Speaker 7: he had to grow a pair and just men up.
Speaker 7: Women are allowed to complain, and they do complain more
Speaker 7: and media, so social media wants to keep the audience,
Speaker 7: to keep their client and the users, and so like,
Speaker 7: I think it's just inevitable that if the technology is
Speaker 7: not aligned with the substrate of humans, which is biology,
Speaker 7: this happens.
Speaker 6: But that's I think the natural follow up Vittorio.
Speaker 5: So if this is driven by smartphones, which are not
Speaker 5: going away, and if it's driven by social media, which
Speaker 5: is not going away, is there a solution to this
Speaker 5: or are we essentially are we kind of screwed? Are
Speaker 5: we basically going to be dominated by whatever ideological contagion
Speaker 5: sweeps through with the algorithm and takes a majority of
Speaker 5: women along with it, and they're half the voter based
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 7: Know I should black Peel or white Field, but I
Speaker 7: think that like we saw, and there is an autograph
Speaker 7: in the article that shows that married women don't respond
Speaker 7: in this way, and women with children and to be
Speaker 7: more conservative and less radical. So one solution would be
Speaker 7: to bring back families and to have more kids, because
Speaker 7: the biggest problem is that again women are more empathetic,
Speaker 7: and so once you show them the suffering that is
Speaker 7: happening at ten thousand miles away, they will feel as
Speaker 7: if it's happening to them or close to them. But
Speaker 7: once they're married and they have good men in their life,
Speaker 7: then they tend to follow. And once they have kids,
Speaker 7: then they tend to focus more on the kids. And
Speaker 7: that's just again it's natural evolutionary for them. So by
Speaker 7: I don't know, pushing more for a marriage and bringing
Speaker 7: back the marriage institution which is not just a legal
Speaker 7: document that you can sign and just know the next day,
Speaker 7: and making like, I don't know, I'm Christian, and so
Speaker 7: for me, marriage is sacred and is an oath that
Speaker 7: you make in front of God, so you cannot go
Speaker 7: back to your world. And I also do think that
Speaker 7: that's the reason and why it was that up in
Speaker 7: that way, because you should not be allowed to go
Speaker 7: back from your your promise. But by making it so
Speaker 7: like no full divorce and so easy to rescind, then
Speaker 7: people are like, if it's just a piece of paper,
Speaker 7: what's the point of doing that. And so I do
Speaker 7: believe that by bringing back and trying to re establish
Speaker 7: the institution of marriage and pushing for more kids, which
Speaker 7: again this is the black people because it's the next
Speaker 7: problem is that people are not having kids. But I
Speaker 7: do think that in terms of the radicalization, there is
Speaker 7: a solution. Now the solution has his own problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Vittoria, I love this part. So listen our audience.
Speaker 4: We have a lot of Christian conservatives that may not
Speaker 4: even ascribe to evolution, right, so I'm not even getting
Speaker 4: into that. But the way you word it, I just
Speaker 4: wanted to preface that you could just believe that God
Speaker 4: made men and women different and for different functions and forms.
Speaker 3: And this your point still still works. He said.
Speaker 4: Men face different pressures hunting parties gone for day, it's exploration, combat.
Speaker 4: You had to tolerate being alone, disliked outside the group
Speaker 4: for extended periods. Men who could handle temporary exclusion without
Speaker 4: falling apart had more options, more risk taking, more independence,
Speaker 4: more ability to leave bad situation. And you said, but
Speaker 4: women evolved in environments where social exclusion carried enormous survival costs.
Speaker 4: You can't hunt pregnant, you can't fight nursing. Survival required
Speaker 4: the tribe's acceptance. And so what you're doing is you're
Speaker 4: sort of showing that there's just form and function between
Speaker 4: male and female are different. And Blake, I love this
Speaker 4: because and I in certainly thought of you when I
Speaker 4: was reading this, because you were the one that kind
Speaker 4: of I think solidified this, even with Charlie, that women's
Speaker 4: part of women's social roles are norm enforcers, consensus builders.
Speaker 4: This is sort of the way that they're hardwired. And
Speaker 4: then when you combine that natural form and function with
Speaker 4: an algorithm that pushes them and builds consensus further and
Speaker 4: further and deeper and deeper, this is where you start
Speaker 4: seeing the two sexes diverge and depart, and this chasm
Speaker 4: is formed. And I just think it's I think it's
Speaker 4: a really powerful explanation. And then you pair that with
Speaker 4: Helen Andrews and the radical feminization of the workplace and
Speaker 4: other things, you start seeing why these larger cultural trends
Speaker 4: are taking root.
Speaker 3: If you agree, Blake.
Speaker 5: But it's it's very interesting because I just it's kind
Speaker 5: of funny. It's like, how do we fix this, Well,
Speaker 5: we just have to fix marriage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no fault devorce, just to get rid.
Speaker 6: Of no fault divorce.
Speaker 5: It's very tough and not the least because the people
Speaker 5: we kind of need to save with us, I think
Speaker 5: are the most likely to fight against them.
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Speaker 4: What we're talking about, this divergence of the sexist is
Speaker 4: of paramount importance for the future of Western civilization. That's
Speaker 4: why this understanding its root causes, how to fix it,
Speaker 4: how to address it, is so critically important. And it's
Speaker 4: something that Charlie talked a lot about as well. This
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and play cut three point fifty two.
Speaker 2: Young men are the most conservative that they have been
Speaker 2: in over fifty years.
Speaker 3: Fifty years. Think about that now.
Speaker 2: A reporter asked me, They said, Charlie, can you try
Speaker 2: to explain this phenomenon.
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, It's very simple.
Speaker 2: Young men want to be part of a political movement
Speaker 2: that doesn't hate them. In fact, let me go a
Speaker 2: step further, that thinks they're essential to a future of
Speaker 2: a country, that we need strong men and strong women,
Speaker 2: that we're sick and tired of hearing about toxic masculinity
Speaker 2: when we are drowning in toxic femininity.
Speaker 5: And he kept on that theme because we have another
Speaker 5: clip here and this is one of the last hits
Speaker 5: he ever did on Fox.
Speaker 6: Let's play three point fifty three.
Speaker 7: What is going on with women and not wanting to
Speaker 7: prioritize family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a pattern that I've seen time and
Speaker 2: time in these college campuses where young men are ordering
Speaker 2: their life correctly. They want to first and foremost have children,
Speaker 2: get married, and then have a nice job or to
Speaker 2: be able to travel. If you look deeper into this data,
Speaker 2: it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. Young women they don't value having children,
Speaker 2: and this is one of the reasons why we are
Speaker 2: seeing a fertility collapse in the West. If you play
Speaker 2: out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its
Speaker 2: furthest possible logical point, you have a country with literally
Speaker 2: no future. When you play out the logical endpoint of
Speaker 2: President Trump's agenda of where young men voted for him,
Speaker 2: you have one of lots of children increasing communities, and
Speaker 2: you also don't have a need then for mass immigration.
Speaker 5: So Victorrio once thought, I've had maybe this could bail
Speaker 5: us out. Is we are seeing this fertility collapse. We
Speaker 5: are seeing far fewer people get married far fewer people
Speaker 5: having children. Could this basically be a transitional phase where
Speaker 5: for all of human history basically everyone had kids because
Speaker 5: that was what you did, natural biological impulse. And now
Speaker 5: we're just going to go through this one generation where
Speaker 5: basically all the people uninterested in having kids poof out
Speaker 5: of the gene pool, and the people who don't value
Speaker 5: marriage poof out of the gene pool, and we'll just
Speaker 5: have a new society of the people who actually select
Speaker 5: for those things. And could we fix it that way?
Speaker 5: Are we going to see this huge I guess political
Speaker 5: and social divergence caused by who actually shows up for
Speaker 5: the future.
Speaker 7: I mean, you see it already happening. I mean conservative
Speaker 7: families have more children than liberal families. I spoke time
Speaker 7: ago about this, and I do think that there is
Speaker 7: a problem here because the institutions that then educate and
Speaker 7: raise your kids, schools and media and TVs are captured
Speaker 7: instead by the other ideology. And that's why they care
Speaker 7: so much about it, because by not being able to
Speaker 7: have their own kids, they need to indoctrinate someone else's
Speaker 7: kids so they can perpetrate this the views. So to
Speaker 7: your point, I do agree that they will self select out,
Speaker 7: but only if the kids that then are being had,
Speaker 7: like they're protected. So that's another problem.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at the numbers here to remind myself. So
Speaker 6: if you looked.
Speaker 5: At the average number of kids for a woman over
Speaker 5: forty four, so they've finished their child great window. In
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty two, liberal women had more kids than conservative
Speaker 5: ones on average, and even as recently as twenty eighteen,
Speaker 5: for women over forty four completed fertility, they had about
Speaker 5: the same number of kids liberal versus conservative. For women
Speaker 5: below that threshold, it's widened to the point where it's
Speaker 5: almost a full child per woman gap between liberal and
Speaker 5: conservative women in the US.
Speaker 4: That's a lot people do like that. Maybe doesn't sound
Speaker 4: like a lot, but that's a huge gap.
Speaker 3: But to your.
Speaker 4: Point that you know, listen, we've said more striking things
Speaker 4: I think before in the past, but there is this
Speaker 4: tendency with people that do not pro create to then
Speaker 4: recruit or groom, and that is a huge problem with
Speaker 4: our institutions. That's why school's choice is so fundamentally important.
Speaker 4: That's why classical school education is so important. Victoria, you
Speaker 4: are I would presume maybe you're a Christian Protestant, but
Speaker 4: You're Italian, correct, and one of the countries that has
Speaker 4: experienced in the West the most dramatic fertility collapse is Italy.
Speaker 4: Are there lessons from Italy that you could share that
Speaker 4: shed light on.
Speaker 7: This, Well, what Italy learned is like what you can
Speaker 7: learn from Italy is what not to do? Like it's
Speaker 7: I don't know. Again, it's alrmal White problem, the fertwoity crisis,
Speaker 7: and there are several probably reasons that can be both political, biological, cultural,
Speaker 7: But I think that at the very bottom is just
Speaker 7: an extremely individualistic culture and everyone just think about themselves
Speaker 7: and for themselves. They want to have money for their own,
Speaker 7: they want to be successful on their own, and no
Speaker 7: one cares any more about what will happen to them.
Speaker 7: There's not anymore some kind of overarching principle and guiding
Speaker 7: reality that pushes them to have a lineage in the future.
Speaker 7: So I think it's still a collapse of meaning.
Speaker 5: I think ultimately it's a value fight, and that's tough
Speaker 5: because the values are tough to change. I had a
Speaker 5: friend who was just in Israel and he was saying
Speaker 5: it was so jarring to see. It's not just that
Speaker 5: there's kids everywhere compared to the US or anywhere else,
Speaker 5: but that it so aggressively comes up when you talk
Speaker 5: to someone, they're rapidly going to brag, Oh, yeah, I
Speaker 5: have four kids already, I have five kids. It's such
Speaker 5: a point of pride. It's so well, you know, baked
Speaker 5: into everything. That's what drives it.
Speaker 4: You're right, Israel is this loan standout on the in
Speaker 4: the world right now because people think about Sub Saharan
Speaker 4: Africa is this massively fertile area, and historically they would
Speaker 4: be correct, but they are seeing dramatic drops in fertility
Speaker 4: and Sub Saharan Africa even this one standout is very fascinating.
Speaker 4: That's Israel. And because Israel is a value based country
Speaker 4: right well, people are there often because of their their religion,
Speaker 4: because of their their ethnicity. And what's really fascinating about
Speaker 4: Israel is the group that's losing fertility rates right now
Speaker 4: are the Muslims within Israel. The people that are sustaining
Speaker 4: their fertility rates are the Jews. It's a very fascinating extent,
Speaker 4: which just underscores that it's a value proposition exactly.
Speaker 6: Man, it's it's bleak.
Speaker 5: Vittorio, I have to say because it does feel like
Speaker 5: it's when it's a problem that's almost everywhere in the world,
Speaker 5: and the ones that are defining it are so unique
Speaker 5: compared to the US or Europe. It's it's tough, but
Speaker 5: we're very thankful for you for laying it out in
Speaker 5: a clear cut way. I think there is rising awareness
Speaker 5: of the nature.
Speaker 3: Of the problems to Elms and Charles.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think we're we are going to have
Speaker 5: to make the push for a revolution in values in
Speaker 5: the West, and it's kind of the only way I
Speaker 5: think you can turn it around.
Speaker 4: And this this push about individualism, we are not individualists.
Speaker 4: We're we're more community based. We're not collectivists. We're not individualists.
Speaker 4: We're about community. We're about uh, shared meaning as a
Speaker 4: as a you know community, as a as a local community,
Speaker 4: as a church community.
Speaker 3: Vittorio, really fascinating stuff.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your contribution to this discussion,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, good, good job you cut through
Speaker 4: the algorithm.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure.
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