1 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of 2 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: hours of Dennis's lectures courses in classic radio programs. Had 3 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles, go to Dennisprager dot com. 4 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Know the pain that you can inflict upon the woman 5 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: whom you are cheating up. That's a good one. It 6 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: may not be much to you. And women have to 7 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: know this. This is not a male line. Men can 8 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: have sex, not know the name, not care who, not 9 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: recognize the woman the next day that they had sex 10 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: with on a business trip in Ohio, and love their wives. 11 00:01:06,759 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 2: This is not lines. This is truth. The man is 12 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: not bluffing. I mean, if he had a long term 13 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: affair of love, he's bluffing. But otherwise that is true. 14 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: It is quite possible for him to do that. That's 15 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: the way males are made. At the same time, men 16 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: must understand that, while to them that could be the case, 17 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: to their wives, that's not the case. Honey. It was 18 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: just a rump. Is true to him, but not true 19 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: to her because to her, love making with her husband 20 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: belongs to her, to no other woman on earth. He 21 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: hugged and entered another woman, which is usually what a 22 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: what a knight stand is about? I mean this is 23 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: this is I have given my body to my lover, 24 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: to my husband, to my to my the father, author 25 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 2: of my children, and then she is pained. Men must 26 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: know this. This is a factor. It should play a 27 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: role when men think about the issue. Then there is values. 28 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Whatever number we're up to, then values values obviously is 29 00:02:25,079 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: a big one. I think it's about as big as 30 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: it gets in these matters where you value marital commitment, 31 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: but even if you're not married. Remember I was talking 32 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: about the unmarried man earlier, living from woman to woman. 33 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: But I have other values in life. I want to 34 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: make a home, I want to make a relationship. I 35 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: want to be a deeper denis. I don't want to 36 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: die with the largest number of possible women that I 37 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: slept with on my tombstone. I want to die having 38 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: had love in my life. So values come to bear 39 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: and should come to bear. And that is a choice 40 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: that a man could make. Values versus nature? What are values? 41 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: Values are what we need to counteract our nature? Who 42 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: would need values? You don't need none of You have 43 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: the value to breathe. It is not a value right 44 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: because you do it naturally. There is no commandment in 45 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 2: the Ten Commandments. Now shall breathe. We don't need commandments 46 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: about things we do naturally. We need laws, moral laws, 47 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: ethical laws about things we don't do naturally. And so 48 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: this is what a value system is about. It is 49 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: to counteract what you would otherwise do. I said there 50 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: was one controversial one, and I will talk more about 51 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: this in a subsequent session. But there is another thing 52 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: that a man can do along with all the other choices. 53 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: The reason it's controversial is because a lot of religious 54 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: traditions find it sinful. But I will put it to 55 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: you in the words of I believe it was Maureen Dowd, 56 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: I think, a very witty columnist for the New York Times. 57 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: Writing about the Clinton Lewinsky affair. She wrote, hasn't anybody 58 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: told the It wasn't her? Actually it was another columnist, 59 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: another witty columnist, I believe, I think it was, but 60 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: that doesn't matter. I like to cite the sources, and 61 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it was either the New York 62 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: Times Washington Post. And forget now that I even mentioned that, 63 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: because you don't care where it came from. But one 64 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: columnist wrote, hasn't anybody told the President about auto eroticism. 65 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: Auto Eroticism is a fancy term for self stimulation, which 66 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: is masturbation. Masturbation's issue is a very interesting one, and 67 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: I will talk about it when we talk about pornography, 68 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: because that's what pornography is about. After all. Uh, Masturbation 69 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 2: can be used by a committed a man committed to 70 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: a woman for two reasons, and they are both opposites 71 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: one two as a substitute for real love making with 72 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: my wife or my companion whatever, or as the substitute 73 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: for adultery. Get the difference the imagination can give to man, 74 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: to some men, the affairs that in real life his 75 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: value system will not allow. For there is an argument made, 76 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: and I've had this many times on the radio, and 77 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: almost nobody likes to covers because that everybody is too 78 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: embarrassed by the subject, except for the past Surgeon General 79 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: that thought we should talk to children about it, which 80 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: I just thought wasn't wise. We should talk to adults 81 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: about it. Nobody does be that as it may. The 82 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 2: most common argument is it takes a man's attention, It 83 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: focuses his erotic energies away from his wife. The studies 84 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: that I have seen with regard to this. There was 85 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: a huge study I don't remember by home. The huge 86 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: study a number of years ago about said America I 87 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: think was called sex in America, and it came out 88 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: with the following it may be not true, it may 89 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: be true. It struck me as quite possibly true, and 90 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: that is that couples with the most active sex lives 91 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: also featured masturbation as a part of their sexual repertoire. 92 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: Not mutual masturbation, but solo masturbation. Mutual as well, quite possibly, 93 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: but solo. It did not strike me as odd. The 94 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 2: notion that it is inevitably a substitute for love making 95 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: is not true for some men it is, then it's 96 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: not good. Then it's a bad choice. To make love 97 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: with a woman is infinitely better than to make love 98 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: with yourself. Of course it's true. But what if you 99 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: have love with your woman and love with yourself, because 100 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: that is the expression of your male libido allowing itself 101 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: its fantasy realm. When I was a kid and I've 102 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: been reading. Aside from thinking about it and living it, 103 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: I have been preoccupied with these questions. Since I'm a teenager. 104 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: I read a lot about these things and something that 105 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: was fascinating, because when you're a teenage boy a teenage girl, 106 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: you don't know anything. Even if you've had sex, you 107 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: don't know anything. And so I read, I actually read 108 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: books on sex, and it was fascinating what one author 109 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: once wrote. And he wrote something to the effect, I 110 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: don't remember the exact words. He said, men, most men 111 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: have two sex lives with their wife and in their 112 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: fantasy world, and they can perfectly well coexist. And I 113 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: don't see why not. Why shouldn't they in a healthy life. Now, 114 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: let me add one warning. There are men who become 115 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: addicted to masturbation and pornography. And we'll talk about porn later, 116 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: but to masturbation. Absolutely. There are people who become addicted 117 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: to beer and alcohol. There are people who become addicted 118 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: to credit cards. There are people who become addicted to drugs. 119 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: There are people who become addicted to almost any thing 120 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: that causes us pleasure. There are people who are addicted 121 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 2: to donuts to write, addicted to sugar. Absolutely. I don't 122 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: ban sugar because people are addicted to sugar. I don't 123 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: ban credit cards because there are people addicted to credit cards. 124 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: I don't ban masturbation, because there are people addicted to masturbation. 125 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: If you're addicted, you never do it. You must go 126 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: cold turkey. Addicts cannot do a little physiologically or psychologically, 127 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: whatever the mechanism is. They can't do any and they shouldn't. 128 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: They shouldn't start. But very many people can have moderate 129 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: sugar moderate masturbation. I will even, I will even offer 130 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: thoughts when I talk about pornography on what that means. 131 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: I've thought a lot of this through. I may be 132 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: dead wrong, but I thought it through. This is another realm. 133 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: I have talked to man after man after man about this. 134 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: It is not shameful. It is not necessarily a substitute. 135 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: Remember I've worked this sentence out and I want to 136 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: repeat it. It could be a substitute for love making 137 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: with his wife, then it's bad. It could be a 138 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: substitute for sex with an affairs, then it's okay. All right. 139 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: Those are all the choices that I could think of 140 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: good and not good with a man's libido. I'll take 141 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: questions afterwards. Now, let me much more briefly go to 142 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: the other two questions. What can society do? And what 143 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: can a woman do? 144 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 145 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom. 146 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: All right, what can which one should I do? First? Okay, society, 147 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: thank you for answering, so I needed your guidance. What 148 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: can society do? Well, I'll tell you what society has done. 149 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: I'll give you one example. Cover women up. Remember what 150 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: our session is about tonight. What do we do with 151 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: male sexual drive? What do we do with it? So 152 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: one thing you can do is cover women from head 153 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: to toe. Very hard to stimulate a man if he 154 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: just sees black claw. Okay. While there are men who 155 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: were fetishists about leather, I have never seen a chador 156 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: fetish In all of my studies of male sexual fetishes 157 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: I must touch a chador has not appeared. And remember 158 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: that list I showed you last week. There was leather, 159 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: there was god knows what, there was no chador listed 160 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: under fetishes. So it's a very very It deseexualizes the environment, 161 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: the assumption being if men are never stimulated, they'll stay 162 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: faithful to the only woman they could ever see her 163 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: skin of, namely her wife. Is it logical? Yeah? Does 164 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: it work? No, it's horrible. First it's horrible because it 165 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 2: dehumanizes women. I must say I think I'm fairly broad minded. 166 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: After seventy two countries of visiting most of them alone, 167 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: live in different places, with different families. I know there 168 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: are many wonderful approaches to life. The covering of a 169 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: human being from head to toe is to me dehumanizing. 170 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: The argument when I have raised this with thoughtful Muslim spokesman, 171 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: First of all, it's not Islamic. It is done in 172 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: Islamic countries, but it is not prescribed by Muslim law, 173 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: just as there are many things Jews do that are 174 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: not prescribed by Jewish law but have taken on a 175 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: legal status because of tradition. The fact is that this 176 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: is Middle Eastern Muslim in Indonesia. It is not to 177 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: be found in Malaysia. This is not to be found. 178 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: This is Middle Eastern. That's one response, and that's fair. 179 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: It's a non issue. But the response to the dehumanizing 180 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: is you think we dehumanize women covering them up from 181 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: head to toe. It's you and the West who dehumanize 182 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: women by having them as sex objects on billboards and 183 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: in ads and in TV and in film, with their 184 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: short skirts and with their halter tops and their breasts, 185 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: almost showing you're the dehumanizers, not us. Well, first of all, 186 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: there is a middle road between many skirts and halter 187 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: tops on the one hand and chadors on the other. 188 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: There is a middle road. So the answer of well, 189 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 2: you also do a bad thing doesn't negate the challenge 190 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: that a woman is dehumanized by becoming in visible. I 191 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: have a picture when I was in Damascus, Syria. I 192 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: took a picture of a woman crossing the street toward 193 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 2: me and all you didn't even you saw nothing she was. 194 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: Her face and eyes were covered. She saw the world 195 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: through a screen, and it was actually eerie. All I 196 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: saw were hands. The only I only knew it was 197 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: a human for allan it could have been a robot. 198 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: That's what I mean by dehumanizing, because I saw hands. 199 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: If there weren't hands, I would have believed there was. 200 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, a Hollywood set were creating some sort 201 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: of inanimate object walking toward me. That's the humanizing in 202 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: my opinion. There's no person. The person's hidden. The person 203 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: is truly hidden, and there is something I want to 204 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: know that there was a female body. I don't think 205 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: it is beautiful to have a potato sack on a woman, 206 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: even if you see her face. A woman has breasts, 207 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: she has every right to show them. I don't mean 208 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: bear them, I mean show them. Let do I have breasts? Yes, 209 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: you aren't given breasts to entirely mislead the world into 210 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: thinking you don't have them or don't have legs. On 211 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: the other hand, to wear something where the cleavage is 212 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: like a ski slope and one sees just large globes 213 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 2: of flesh only this is purely sexually provocative. I'll talk 214 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: about that in a moment, because it has its place, 215 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: but not generally be that as it may. The answer 216 00:14:54,400 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: to the dehumanization of putting women behind these things is not, well, 217 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: you have these terrible things in the West. It's that 218 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: that is not what you do. It doesn't work. Also 219 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: because whenever these men ever do then see a woman, 220 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: even just the face, they go crazy. Ironically, the chaddrization 221 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: of women renders women's sexual objects, arguably even more than 222 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: the West has. They are such sexual objects that if 223 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: you would even see an elbow, you would be aroused. 224 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: If you would even see a forehead, you would think sex. 225 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: That's what it's stating correct. So it's the ultimate statement. 226 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: Women are only sexual arousers. They have no other role. Also, 227 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: it's pretty odd if I am the problem, I the male, 228 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: Why are you covering up? Maybe I should walk with blindfolds? Right? 229 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: It would seem to me if one is going to 230 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: take the moral high road, men in Muslim country should 231 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 2: wear blindfolds and women should walk around freely. It was 232 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: like gold I got this from Goldenmeyer, the the one 233 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: woman who was Prime Minister of Israel, a very strong 234 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: and brilliant woman. You may recall her. Golden Mayer wrote 235 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: in her memoir that there was a problem in at 236 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: one time in the Yeshue of the is Shoe was 237 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: the Jewish community in pre Israel, Palestine. There was a 238 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: problem with a with a rapist around. So they decided 239 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: that the women should stay indoors when the sun went down. 240 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: So Goldenmeyer said, I don't understand men are doing the raping. 241 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: They should stay indoors. So it's and I thought I 242 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: was impeccable logic. You know, you talk to me logic, 243 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: and you know I'm just silly putty in your hands. 244 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: I have no answer to her comment, and that's what 245 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: I say, if men are going to go crazy because 246 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: they see women's faces, elbows, legs, then they should wear blindfolds, 247 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: not put women into boxes. That's what my answer would 248 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: be if people really wanted to take the moral high 249 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: road on that issue. So I don't accept that answer, 250 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: but please understand male sexuality being what it is based 251 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: on what we talked about last week. The chador is 252 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: a logical response. I think a poor response, but it's 253 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: a logical response. What do we do with male sexuality 254 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: is society is one of society's greatest questions. This society 255 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: denies it because it has taken the idiotic position that 256 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: males and females are the same, so there is no 257 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: problem of male sexuality, because to assume that is to 258 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: assume men and women are basically different, and that doesn't 259 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: go over well at darkmth or any other college. Another 260 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: one is the one I told you about the Latin 261 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: and European world. Have men marry while having mistresses? Again 262 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: this remember, I'm answering what can society do. Society can 263 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: encourage men men, you gotta marry, but we know you've 264 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: got this urge, so on the side, you'll have a mistress. 265 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 2: But you have the matriarch, the woman that you make 266 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: a family with and you are devoted to, you don't 267 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 2: divorce her. That's another societal response to the problem of 268 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: male sexuality. And a third one, the one that we 269 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: have tried in this society, is encourage marriage and fidelity 270 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: and stigmatize infidelity. That is what we have tried. It 271 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: has generally worked. That doesn't mean there's no adultery, of 272 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: course there is, but it means that generally speaking, over 273 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: the long run of society that has generally worked with 274 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: sins here and there and said those sins, but nevertheless, 275 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: a sin and a mistake or whatever you wish to 276 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 2: call it in the context of a value system that 277 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: a society holds is livable with. This society has said, look, 278 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: we know people will stray, but we would like to 279 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: stigmatize in fidelity. Right now, it's less stigmatized, it is 280 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: not quite as stigmatized as it was. Nevertheless, it still 281 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 2: is stigmatized. I mean, look at what happened with the 282 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: President of the United States. If it weren't stigmatized, people 283 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: would yawn. It's not stigmatized in Europe, and they yawned, 284 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: and the intellectual a lead, and the society did tend 285 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: to yawm Adultery is not a big deal to many 286 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 2: in the intellectual a lead of our society. I don't 287 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: say that as a condemnation. I just say that descriptively. 288 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: That's what society can do. Society can tell boys that 289 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 2: you become a man by marrying. That's what That's how 290 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: I was raised. Frankly, I don't know what I would 291 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: have done without my religion and my father. My father 292 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 2: is a model, and my religion with its commandments. I 293 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: don't know what I would have done. I might have 294 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: given into my nature for a lot longer years and 295 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: kept deferring marriage too much. Later, I knew I would 296 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 2: get married. I knew I would get married, not because 297 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: my nature compelled me to. I knew I would get 298 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: married because my religion compelled me to, and because my 299 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: father provided a model. That's what fathers are for, in 300 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 2: a large measure, to give boys a model of what 301 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 2: to grow up to do. I knew I would get 302 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: married because that's what a boy's supposed to do. You're 303 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 2: not a man fool. You married. In traditional Judaism, you 304 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: are called a bahor you are called a lad, a 305 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: boy until you marry. In Ashkenazi synagogues, Orthodox synagogues, unmarried 306 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: men do not wear a talith, do not wear a 307 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: prayer show as a public statement. They're not men yet. 308 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: When nice guys, we like them, they're are brothers, our sons, 309 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 2: our friends. But you don't marry, you're not really a man. 310 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: That was the message I got as a kid. To 311 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: be a man, you marry, you take care of a 312 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 2: woman and a family if you can have one. That's 313 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 2: what I was taught. That's what I was Boys are 314 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 2: not trained that way today. To be a man today, 315 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: First of all, we don't even use the language be 316 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 2: a man. It's gone. But to the extent that we 317 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: even have retained it. Oh, what'll I be a man 318 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: is to be a professional. What will I do when 319 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 2: I grow up? Boys don't think I'll get married, take 320 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: care of a family. No, I'll be a pilot, I'll 321 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: be a businessman. I'll be a professor or whatever it'll be. 322 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: It's too bad. That's a problem that society needs to address. 323 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: Society must help boys become men. Society must help men 324 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: deal with their sexual nature. If it gives a hint 325 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: to men, we don't care if you act after sexual nature. 326 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: In fact, you'll be on the cover of People magazine. 327 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: You'll be considered a bon vivante, you will be honored 328 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: as a playboy, honored, not stigmatized. Then why on God's 329 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: earth where are the rewards? Society must reward men for 330 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 2: suppressing their nature. It's got to reward us, and it 331 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 2: rewards you not with money, it rewards you with honor, 332 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: with stigmatizing the alternative. But if it's not honored, and 333 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: you know, marriage, it's just a piece of paper. Again, 334 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 2: among many of the elite, that is just a thought, 335 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 2: what do I need it for? It's just a piece 336 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: of paper. What's a big piece of paper? If it's 337 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: so unimportant, why not do it? I've always asked guys 338 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: who called my show, you know, oh, you know my fiance, 339 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: my girlfriend. Excuse me, my girlfriend. She wants to get married. 340 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: I tell her, what's the difference. It's not that important, 341 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: to which I've always said, if it's not that important, 342 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: why don't you do it. I've never had an answer 343 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: to that question. 344 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 345 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom. 346 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 2: Finally, what can women do? Women are part of this 347 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: equation here, after all. Number one, women can understand their man. 348 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 2: I started that way last week, if you recall. That's 349 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: why I'm so glad that the women have stuck it 350 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: out so far and come back. Though some did not 351 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: survive last week apparently, but others have come back. It 352 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 2: is very important. It is very important to your man 353 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: that for him to believe that you understand this part 354 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: of him, because men are embarrassed by it. I explained 355 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: that all last week, and I will make that tape available. 356 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: I'm happy to say I feel good about it. That 357 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: is important because we are not thrilled with our sexual nature. 358 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 2: It's not a source of pride. It's a source of drive, 359 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: but not a source of pride. And so if you 360 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: can understand it with us, help us. Help us by 361 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: understanding it, by not being embarrassed by it, by not 362 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: being afraid of it. Because I explained last week it 363 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: could be frightening to a woman. That's a very major 364 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: help to alone. Let a man open up about it, 365 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: not preoccupy the talk with it. I mean it's because 366 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: that's ultimately counterproductive if he commented every time he lust 367 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: it after other legs he's going to alienate the love 368 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: of his life, not get closer. It's just it's preposterous. 369 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that it can never be talked about. 370 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 2: There's a big difference between always and never another thing 371 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: women can do, which they did until nineteen sixty seven. 372 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: It's a joke. I mean, I can't give you the year, 373 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: but roughly is basically make it harder for men who 374 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: don't commit to have sex. It's very simple. It's pooh poohed. 375 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: But I don't understand why the sophisticated think that it 376 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: is as worthy of mockery. If men's nature is what 377 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: I describe and they can get sex with no commitment, 378 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 2: then you have to rely entirely either on your awesome 379 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 2: ability to get them to the altar two, which means 380 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: overcoming their whole sexual nature or their value system and 381 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: lot and men's value systems will get them married. But 382 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: a lot of men today don't have a value system 383 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: like this. They just know if it feels good, you 384 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: do it. So it just seems I'm not saying women 385 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: should not enjoy sex as much as they want to. 386 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: They should. It's not an issue to me. I'm just saying, 387 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: though logics suggests, just as it suggested that men should 388 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: wear blinde I'm equally critical of both sex if you 389 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: will both sexes, So it would suggest here that if 390 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: men have the availability of women easily, that they will 391 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 2: marry less. It makes perfect sense. It just there's no 392 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 2: other way around it. So that is something women have 393 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 2: to consider. But of course a woman, what men will 394 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: do to get a woman into bed, the lines they 395 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: will use and put the burden on our What are 396 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: you sick other woman is doing it. I'll leave you 397 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: if you don't, so leave me. I mean a woman 398 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 2: should be able to say, then leave me. If you 399 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 2: loved me, you'd stay with me. Is so obvious to 400 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 2: me as a man, I can't believe a woman would 401 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: fall in for it. But listen, both sexes fallen to 402 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: nonsense that the same sex understands as nonsense. The third 403 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: thing is finally, that the sexual titillation bombardment can be modified. 404 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: You heard my passion against chadors. But at the same time, 405 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: women must understand that certain skirts and certain tops and 406 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: certain well that's basically what there is or thong underwear 407 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: to a president in an oval office. I felt for 408 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: him this was not I'm not a devote of the president, 409 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: in case that's a surprise to you, but I did 410 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: not have contempt for him on this issue. That is 411 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: if anything. In fact, a guy in my radio station 412 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: kept making this point over and over, and he was right. 413 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: He said, if this doesn't prove how powerful the sex 414 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: driver is in a man, nothing will a girl chose 415 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 2: a thong underwear to the president of the United States. 416 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: He risks the world, literally, the security of the planet 417 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: Earth for a tush do you I mean think about it? No, 418 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 2: that is what happened, right. Only a man can fully 419 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: understand that a president oval office, smogal office, impeachment, impeachment, 420 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 2: there is somebody of making those available with a than bikini. 421 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 2: That that is how powerful it is. So there's nothing 422 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: you can do about it except don't use it unless 423 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: you want to use it. But the more it is used, 424 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: the more it feeds into the male problem, which is 425 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: the origin of the whole issue that we are here 426 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: talking about. So those are the answer the answers. I 427 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: think what we can do positive and less positive with 428 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: this awesome problem of male sexual nature. Okay, now questions 429 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: comments re Faulternate speeches. Yes, oh, that's very very interesting. 430 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: Did you hear that? This is? Uh, you've heard that 431 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: from a sex therapist? All right, okay. Sex therapists, he claims, 432 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: offer the thought that one another possible solution is, while 433 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: making love to one's spouse, one's wife, specifically, to be 434 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: fantasizing other women. Well, I hope it's women. I mean, 435 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm not as opposed to men, but as opposed to 436 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 2: trees is what I was thinking of. You know, honey, 437 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: I really I just have this oak in my Ah. Well, 438 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: it's an interesting question. Let me tell you what I 439 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: heard from a sex therapist whom I interviewed on the 440 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: subject well before I was married. Even she an Israeli 441 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: sex therapist that I knew, had a very interesting idea 442 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: in a different way. She said, take the sexual bombardment 443 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: of the day and save it up for your wife. 444 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: I thought that was better advice than that one. Keep 445 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: all of that arousal material as it were, in a 446 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: bank account, and let it explode innocuously with your wife 447 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: when when the when the the the occasion arises. If 448 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: a man has to do that in order to achieve 449 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: a rectile function, then he'll have to do what he 450 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: has to do. It is certainly behaviorally better than not 451 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 2: making love to his wife. And if he has to, 452 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: he has to. I think it's sad for him and 453 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: certainly would be sad for her if she knew it, 454 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of wives 455 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: do know it. Women read men very well, not perfectly, 456 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: but very well and better than they think they're read. 457 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: I don't have a great answer for you on that 458 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: it's better than not having sex with your wife. Clearly, 459 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: I would focus though on trying to make my reaction 460 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: to my wife as lust filled as possible. That is 461 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: why I should have put really in here that play 462 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: acting in marriage. A rabbi recently wrote a book called 463 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: Kosher Sex. He's a Fabad rabbi, dear friend of mine, 464 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: very Orthodox, and he wrote it's controversial among the Orthodox, 465 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: but I think he's on totally accurate ground holopically, that is, 466 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: with legal grounds. And he says, you do anything that 467 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: it takes to arouse husband and wife to one another. 468 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: If it means dressing in a french maid's outfit, you 469 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 2: dress in a french maid's outfit. If it means hanging 470 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: from chandeliers, you hang from chandeliers, whatever it is, So 471 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: long as you're focused on each other, I think there's 472 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: brilliance to that. I think too many men and women 473 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: give up too easily on what can be done. A 474 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: lot of women, for example, think that if they don't 475 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 2: look like Miss July and Playboy, they're not sexually appealing 476 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: an arousing period or to their husband, and that's just 477 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: not true. Women who want to act sexy with their 478 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: husband can do so if they want to, And almost 479 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: any man will tell you this, and there are things 480 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 2: that you can do. I know someone who who a couple, 481 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: and I think it's a great idea. He never sees 482 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 2: her nude unless they're they're making love. That so that 483 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: there's no familiarity with her nakedness. I think it's a 484 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: great idea. That's one good example. Uh, sexy clothing is terrific. 485 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: I've heard some women say that, well, if you know 486 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: this is phony, if you really loved me, he would 487 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: just love me in my natural naked state. Well, I 488 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 2: don't know where you got that from. Is that you know? 489 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: Is that from Shakespeare? Is that from Plato? It's not 490 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: from real life? Sex is sex and sex has has 491 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: fantasy with it. And it's true about the sexiest women 492 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: on earth that that a little clothing is sexier than 493 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: no clothing. If strip teas are to start it out naked, 494 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: it would they would close up, they would lose business. 495 00:34:20,279 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: And now all of our striptees artists will come out 496 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: naked to begin with. It's taking off the clothing that's 497 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 2: the arousing element. It's wearing seductive, it's crossing legs with 498 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: a skirt on. And I mean, there are a million 499 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 2: things that can be done and that are in the 500 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: province of virtually any husband and wife. So I think 501 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: it gives up too easily to argue that way they 502 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 2: should work as a last resort. I agree with what 503 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: you said, but I think that a husband and wife 504 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: should work at it, and a woman should. You know, 505 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: I mean there are times where a woman would have 506 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: to say no. There are sexual and I will get 507 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: to that when we talk perversions. Remember this is for 508 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: twenty one and older. This course, there are things that 509 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: a woman has a perfect right to say, honey, I 510 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 2: love you, but that is just not something I can 511 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 2: engage in. On the other hand, it depends what it 512 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: is to be adult with you a woman has a 513 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 2: perfect right to say, you know what, I really don't 514 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 2: want to be urinated on. Okay, if that's his thing, 515 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 2: it may be her thing to be urinated on which 516 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: case they're a be shared let's let's do it. They 517 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: don't they have met their divine, divine partner. On the 518 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 2: other hand, you know, if she says, you know, it 519 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: just grosses me out. For Latio, I think that's a 520 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: problem that has to be worked out. It should not 521 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: gross one out to have oral sex. So you know, 522 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: you have to use be open, you have to be honest, 523 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: You have to use common sense about what goes beyond 524 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 2: barriers that are not fair to demand and what is 525 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: fair to demand. So I would work on that relationship first. 526 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 2: As a very long answer, but you asked a very 527 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: important question. 528 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 529 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom. 530 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: Is yes, Tammy, is it my belief because of male nature? 531 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: The great composers are all male. Yes, it's because of 532 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: male nature, but not necessarily male sexual nature. I think 533 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 2: males are more abstract. They get passionate about abstractions. More 534 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 2: women get passionate about relationships. By the way, the relationship 535 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 2: could even be with an animal. Women are more passionate 536 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: about their pets than men are. The animal rights movement 537 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 2: is overwhelmingly female. Women are into relationships, men are into abstractions. 538 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 2: Music is extremely abstract. It's the most abstract of the arts. 539 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: Philosophy is abstract. Maybe one day there will be an 540 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: awesome female philosopher, but it's just not as likely and 541 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't have anything to do with superiority or inferiority. 542 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 2: It's just But yes, I do think that corresponds to 543 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 2: male nature, but honestly sexual. Yes, mm hm as opposed 544 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: to the witch approach. Uh huh. What do I think 545 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: of polygamy as for example, in the Mormon approach, as 546 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: opposed to opposed to the Harem approach, which is not 547 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 2: polygamy just legal affairs. Uh. I believe in monogamy because 548 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 2: polygamy is inherently unequal. The Bible has the Hebrew Bible. 549 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 2: Because we're not talking if are you Mormon? Okay, but 550 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 2: there are Mormons, and we have the Hebrew Bible, the 551 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 2: Christian Bible, the Mormon Bible, the Book of Mormon. So 552 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 2: I'll be precise. The Hebrew Bible. Whenever it describes polygamy, 553 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: which was allowed in biblical times, it's fascinating. It describes 554 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: the following, the one who was loved and the one 555 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 2: who was hated. That it was its way of saying, 556 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 2: polygamy exists, but it isn't healthy. And the best if 557 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 2: you want biblical argument, because we're talking a biblical issue, 558 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: because it was Mormons God's statement in Genesis. And therefore 559 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 2: man shall leave his mother and father and cling unto 560 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 2: his wife, and they shall be as one flesh, not 561 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 2: cling into his wives. This was written when there was polygamy. 562 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 2: But it's said and clinging to his wife one to 563 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: one is human equality. One to two or more is 564 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 2: less equal. On the other hand, it is certainly preferable 565 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 2: to a playboy life in terms of what to do 566 00:39:17,440 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: with male nature. Yes, well, good luck. You know you 567 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 2: know I uh I. When you do that, I want 568 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: you to report back here and you you I will 569 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: sit in that chair and you will stand here. Okay, 570 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 2: That's all I could say. It is not so terrible 571 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 2: to see uh this as a demon. It is also 572 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 2: a blessing because we don't and I and and that way, 573 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 2: I do agree with you. I did prose it as 574 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 2: a demon when I should have said it is also 575 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 2: the the vitality that makes men men. You wouldn't want 576 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 2: a man who didn't have this, but now that he 577 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: has it, it's a problem women want men. I'll never 578 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 2: forget this was a very funny thing when I was 579 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 2: When I was dating, I really wish I had recordings 580 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 2: of my dates. I mean, the dinner part. I'm not 581 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not into a U R A L sex. 582 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: Uh the uh. I'll never forget this woman I was dating, 583 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 2: and I asked her what type of man she wants. 584 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 2: I always asked that too. I had a series of questions. 585 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 2: I loved ask him and sorry, what what kind of man? 586 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,479 Speaker 2: You know? She would ask me what type of woman 587 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 2: I would like to marry, and so on and so 588 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: I so I asked her what type of man? And 589 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 2: she's basically said this. I wish her her words were better, 590 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 2: but it was essentially this, I want a man who 591 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: is extremely virile, very sexual, who who is very vibrant 592 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 2: and has a tremendous drive and is only attracted to me. 593 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 2: And I wished her good luck very similarly as I 594 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 2: wished you good luck. Every blessing comes with a curse. 595 00:41:47,520 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 2: This is a blessing and a curse. Yes, that's a 596 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 2: very good question. Did you hear is question about men? 597 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 2: In sayti ability he mentioned? But isn't there also in 598 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 2: men a sort of quota that at some point they say, Okay, 599 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,359 Speaker 2: I've had enough of this now I want I want 600 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 2: something deeper. Yes, in a man who wants depth, there is. 601 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 2: I will tell you very honestly that happened to me. 602 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 2: I will, I will never forget it. If I was 603 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 2: on a date. I remember the restaurant, what is that, 604 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 2: Mario's Mario's Italian restaurant in Westwood, and I was having pizza, 605 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 2: I think, because they have very good pizza at Mario's 606 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: or they did. And anyway, we were I was with 607 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: a very attractive blonde as it happens, and it was 608 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 2: it seemed to me at any rate, I don't want 609 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 2: to overstate this, that she was attracted to me and 610 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 2: that we could have gotten something up, all right. And 611 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 2: I thought, and I remember thinking, wow, if this were 612 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 2: even a year ago, let alone ten years ago, I 613 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 2: was then thirty, boy, would I be thrilled to know 614 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 2: I could have this woman? This is awesome, But you 615 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 2: know what I was thinking to myself, I don't want 616 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 2: to go through this over and over and over. It's 617 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 2: about time I had something deeper in life. I want 618 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 2: to get married. And I remember it was a dad dinner. 619 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 2: I decided I want to get married. I don't want 620 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 2: to live this life more. But remember A, I had 621 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 2: all these religious values inculcated b I want depth and 622 00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 2: everything in my life. I mean, that's my nature. I 623 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 2: don't like the superficial in music, in thought and talk, 624 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 2: in relationships. I still had that urge, but this was 625 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 2: starting to compete what you just said. And I think 626 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 2: that a lot of men do get that at a 627 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 2: certain point. If they have that depth. That that's why 628 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 2: women are concerned about the forty year old guy who 629 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 2: never was married. 630 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,920 Speaker 1: This has been timeless wisdom with Dennis Prager. Visit Dennisprager 631 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: dot com for thousands of hours of Dennis's lectures, courses 632 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: in classic radio programs, and to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles.