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Now let's roll. 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Here. Everyone, Doctor Zachlin here welcoming you in for a 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: very special episode of the Built Different Podcast. My guest 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: today is Tim Tebow, who this year released his most 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: recent book, If the Tree Could Speak. This story of 25 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 2: the Cross that saw it all, This rhyming story is 26 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: written for all ages and tells the story of Jesus' 27 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: crucifixion from a uniquely creative perspective. Spoken from the wood 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: of the cross, it explores themes of despair turning into honor, 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: and the hope that is found in sacrifice. This will 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: fill your heart in for some, it could change your 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: entire perspective. Let's dive in now with my good friend 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: Tim Tebow, recorded earlier this year, and once again I 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: encourage you to get a copy of this powerful book today. 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: Just go to Amazon dot com or wherever books are sold. 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: I did it. 36 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: I got my copy, and I hope you will as well. 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: Let's begin, Tim Tibo, my friend, I've been looking forward 38 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: to this conversation for a while. Welcome to the Built 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: Different Podcast. Thanks for joining me today. 40 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: It's absolutely my pleasure. Thank you for having me. How 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: are you doing, man. 42 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Doing well? 43 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: Brother, It's great to finally see you. I said, this 44 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: has been a long time in the making. I know, 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: I've really been looking forward to this ever since it 46 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: popped up on my calendar. And I'll say this, Tim, 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: as an athlete, a former athlete, you were somebody that 48 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: inspired me on the field, but something that I've told 49 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: you in private that I just want to make sure 50 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: I say in public is you're someone that inspires me 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: and positively impacts me off the field, specifically in the 52 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: way that you live your life. You live your life 53 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: with mission, you live your life with urgency. We'll talk 54 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: a lot about that today. But something I know. You 55 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 2: wear a lot of different hats, you have a lot 56 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: of roles, a lot of responsibilities. You're speaking all over 57 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: the place, You're writing a book every year. I'm saying, 58 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: and it's amazing what God is doing in and through you. 59 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: But my wife Evelyn and my mom, Miss Julie, are 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: begging me to ask the question up front. Tim Howard, 61 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: Demi Lee, and how is Daphney Rayn. What's life look 62 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: like in the t Bow household these days? 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: Surreal? It's so awesome. Not a lot of sleep, but 64 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: a lot of joy. I can tell you that it is. 65 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: It's such a such a joy. But I tell you, 66 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: they don't really give you like a seven step manual 67 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 3: for this thing. Like I know, when we got home 68 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: from the hospital, I put Daphne in her Bessinette and 69 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, demmy, what do we do next? 70 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: Like what what's the next part of the game plan, 71 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: And we've just been figuring it out along the way. 72 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 3: And what an incredible blessing and responsibility and just honor 73 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: to be able to just say that I'm Daphne's dad. 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: Man, it's amazing to hear. 75 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: You know, Evelyn and I are starting to have those 76 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: conversations about potentially starting a family and praying our way 77 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: through that, and so to hear that, right, there's no manual, 78 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: That's what I've always heard. Sometimes you just get thrown 79 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: into the fire. But what a blessing, what a privilege 80 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: it is. I'd love to hear too. Tim up front. 81 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: I know you're a man who lives life on mission. 82 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: You're traveling quite a bit, and I know when you 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: have a daughter and now you have a princess on board. 84 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: The question is, has that shifted away, that sense of 85 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: urgency to not maybe just do more, but to do 86 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: what matters most. 87 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: How has that maybe changed for you? 88 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I don't think it should 89 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: change necessarily the urgency in which we live, but I 90 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: do think that it can help with the perspective of 91 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: navigating to the most important thing. Like I always will 92 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: tell our team to win, to win the day, we 93 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 3: have to think about what's important now and we have 94 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: to run after that thing. And but then you can't 95 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: let the urgent get in the way of the important, right, 96 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: So never give up what you want most for what 97 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: you want now, right. And then there's a tension and 98 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: a balance between all of those things. And and so 99 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: I think it's, you know, with with what we have 100 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: been called to do here at the Foundation and fighting 101 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: for the world's MVPs, the most vulnerable people. You know, 102 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: there is a tension between trying to be home as 103 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: many nights as I can and trying to get to 104 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: one more boy or girl, And and there's a real 105 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: tension between that calling and responsibility. And I just really 106 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 3: pray for wisdom and discernment and courage in all of 107 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: those areas to know how best to navigate it. But 108 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: I ultimately believe that it's a whole lot better to 109 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: show up to Heaven exhausted than it is well rested. 110 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: Exactly. Come on, Tim, let me tell you this. Something 111 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: that I really appreciate about you and I value is 112 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: the work that you do around the MVPs, the most 113 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: vulnerable people, and what you guys are doing through the 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: Tim Tebow Foundation. It's inspiring, it's incredibly impactful work. And 115 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: I want to ask you this. You know, I've heard 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: you shared some stories about your dad and just watching 117 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: the way that he saw people differently, this supernatural vision 118 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: that got entrusted to him, and how that was passed 119 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: down to you and your siblings, and I'd love to 120 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: hear you. Know. I read Look Again, and early on 121 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: in that book you mentioned how you saw a bumper 122 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: sticker that read Royalty on board and it just really 123 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: shifted your mindset in the way that you see people differently. Tim, 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 2: help me understand where does that come from and where 125 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: is this supernatural perspective all about? 126 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: Well, I think just my dad is one of my 127 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: biggest heroes and role models so taught me which I 128 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: still fail at over and over again to this day. 129 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: But the value and the worth of all of humanity 130 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 3: that if we really look at them through the lens 131 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: of the Cross, then we will see people with infinite 132 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: value and worth. Why because in our society, how do 133 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: we know how much something costs by what someone is 134 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: willing to pay for it? And Jesus, who has infinite 135 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: value and worth was willing to give his life on 136 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: the cross so that we could have life and life abundantly. Therefore, 137 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: every single person that we will ever see has infinite 138 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: value and worth. Imagine if we saw people that way. 139 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: Imagine if if I more often saw people that way? 140 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: What would you do? If you really saw people with 141 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: infinite value and worth? You would treat them with infinite 142 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: value and worth. You wouldn't be able to walk by them, 143 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to walk around them. You would 144 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: stop and you would meet their needs. You would be 145 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: in awe. You'd be excited to see them. You'd be 146 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: excited to be around these people. And to follow up 147 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: on that the story that you're touching on it at 148 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: Night to Shine. This is maybe five years ago in Arizona, 149 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: and we're at a Night to Shine and all of 150 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: these fancy cars are driving by on the red carpet 151 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 3: and they're driving with all of the Night to Shine 152 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: kings and queens in the back standing up like waving. 153 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: And there's a red corvette that drives by, and there's 154 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: this girl in a red dress and she's standing up 155 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: and she's just beaming from ear to ear. She's so happy, 156 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: beyond happy, I mean, one of the happiest people I've 157 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: ever seen on planet Earth. And the car's driving by, 158 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 3: and I'm just losing my voice yelling for her and 159 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: all the people around me, and the car drives by, 160 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: and as it drives by, it says on the back 161 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: it says Royalty on board. And I thought, man, that's it, 162 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: Like that is it? And I didn't even know that 163 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: our team was working with all the churches to put 164 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: out these stickers that have Royalty on board. But I 165 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: just thought, that is it. So it led me into 166 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: this long kind of diving into the ancient Near East 167 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: in Genesis one, five and nine of being made in 168 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: God's image? What does that really look like? When we're 169 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: made in the image and likeness of our creator? What 170 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: does that really mean? What does that really look like? 171 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: And I've always heard so many times in church, well 172 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: it's you know, being made in God's images could be 173 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: a rational thing or relational thing, or a functional thing. 174 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: A rational thing that he's given us a mind to 175 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: be able to think and rationalize and be strategic, or 176 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: he's made us relational for a relationship with God in 177 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: relationship with other people, or he's made us functional to 178 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: be able to work, to work, and subdue the land 179 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: to cultivate it. And I think all three of those 180 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: things or a piece of it. But I started to 181 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: think and really weep and agonize, Well, what about those 182 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: that can't do that as much because they don't have 183 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 3: the same gifts, or they have maybe different gifts or abilities, 184 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: or they made less than the image of God. And 185 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: I believe absolutely not. So I started to dive into 186 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: what does it really mean? And in the ancient Near East, 187 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: when you really look at this term, it's a term 188 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: that was used over and over again for kings or 189 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: for monarchs, an Assyrian king or an Egyptian pharaoh, over 190 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: and over again. This was a term that was used 191 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: for made in the image of bell or made in 192 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: the image of raw gods that they believed in. And 193 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 3: so in the ancient Ereies, when you would have heard 194 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: that the God of the Bible created us in his image, 195 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: in the image of God, he createds male and female, 196 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: He created us, what I believe they would have thought 197 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: is it's a royal worth title. That God loves me 198 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: so much that this term that is only used for 199 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: kings or monarchs is now a term that is used 200 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: for all of humanity, because that's how much the God 201 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: of the Bible loves all of us. This isn't just 202 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: a religion for the kings or for monarchs. It's a 203 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: relationship we get to have with the God of this 204 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: universe for all people. And I think it goes back 205 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 3: to even on the Angel said it's the good news 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: of great joy that should be for all the people. 207 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: And I think that's God's heart And that was what 208 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: really struck me that day, is this is royalty on 209 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: board and then diving into God's word. I really believe 210 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: that it echoes that. 211 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: Here everyone, doctor Zach clin here just jumping back in. 212 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: You're listening to a very special episode of the Built 213 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: Different Podcasts. My guest today is Tim Tebow, who this 214 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 2: year released his latest and newest book, If the Tree 215 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: Could Speak, the Story of the Cross that Saw It All. 216 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: Inspired by Luke Chapter nineteen, verse forty, this moving and 217 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: creative book offers a powerful, illustrated retelling of the Crucifixion 218 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: through the eyes of the Tree that became the Cross. 219 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: With powerful storytelling in a deeply personal perspective, Tim invites 220 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: readers to experience the hope, sacrifice, and overwhelming love of 221 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: Jesus in a fresh and unforgettable way. If the Tree 222 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: could speak as a faithful journey that encourages readers to pause, 223 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: to reflect, and to see the story of the Cross 224 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: with renewed wonder and gratitude. It's a captivating read that 225 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: inspires deeper faith in a renewed hope and the life 226 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: changing love displayed on Calvary. Pick up a copy of 227 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: this powerful book today, one for all ages, at Amazon 228 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: dot Com or wherever books are sold. 229 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: Let's die back. 230 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: In Psalm one nineteen eighteen says open my eyes that 231 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: I may behold wondrous things out of your law right 232 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: help me to see differently, God, open the eyes of 233 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: my heart. You know, Tim, I remember interviewing Mark Patterson 234 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: years ago, and he shared this one thing that you 235 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: can assess the spiritual maturity of a man or a 236 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: woman by whether or not they can see the miraculous 237 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: in the midst of the monotonous. And I think the 238 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,119 Speaker 2: problem with us as a society is we're so judgmental. 239 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: First and foremost. 240 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: I remember in the mental health space doctor Bruce Perry 241 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: and Oprah Winfrey, they had a conversation. I wrote a 242 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: book years ago about this idea that we're so quick 243 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: to point our fingers and think, what's the matter with 244 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: that person or what's wrong with that person? But really 245 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: we need to be asking the question, like what happened 246 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: to that person? We make so many assumptions and we 247 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: ask too few of questions. But then at the same 248 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: time we're also distracted. Tim. We live in a preoccupied 249 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: world in society. Phones are everywhere, They're grabbing our attention, 250 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: these vices and more. And I'm just thinking that this 251 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 2: idea of looking again is almost like a spiritual discipline 252 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: to be able to say that I want to see 253 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: people through the lens and through the eyes of Christ. 254 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: And I would dare to ask the question to you, Tim, 255 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,479 Speaker 2: for those out there who maybe have struggled, they've been distracted, 256 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: they've missed the point of this life, they miss the 257 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: point of loving people. Well, where do they begin to 258 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: begin seeing people again, to be able to look again 259 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: at whoever it is that God is entrusted to their path. 260 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: Well, that's a really good question, Zach. I would maybe 261 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 3: start by saying at themselves, like, first of all, we 262 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: have to stop and we have to be able to 263 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 3: actually recognize our own worth and value, that God actually 264 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 3: loves us enough, And when it starts with ourselves, when 265 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: we because we know all of the bad days for us, 266 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: we know all of the bad thoughts, we know all 267 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: of the bad words, we know all of the bad actions, right, 268 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: and so many times we continue to label ourselves by 269 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: our scars, and we continue to label ourselves with that 270 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: identity of our worst day, and we forget that Christ 271 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: has already changed our identity. We're no longer defined by 272 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: our scars. We're defined by His, but we continue to 273 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: put that on and label ourselves. So one encouragement would 274 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: be to really challenge how you view yourself. Do you 275 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: really view yourself as love by the creator? Do you 276 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: really view yourself as one of one created in love 277 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 3: by love and for love, not because you have earned 278 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: it or deserve it, but because that's how much God 279 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: loves you. You started there. And now when I go 280 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 3: and I see other people, I say, man, if it 281 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: counts for me, it counts for her, it counts for him. Right, 282 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: And now try to go and show that love and 283 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: try to see with a different lens. One of the 284 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: stories that I shared and look again was I had 285 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: a friend send it to me from YouTube, and I 286 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: watched it and started to cry, and it was just 287 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: so awesome. It was this gentleman that had a birthday 288 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: and he had been color blind, and his family gave 289 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: him color blind glasses that he put on and he 290 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: started and man, when he started to see colors, you 291 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: could see a visceral reaction of seeing all of this, 292 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: and he was just so excited and joy filled. That's 293 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: how we should be when we see people, because we 294 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: are seeing people with infinite value and worth, Like we 295 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 3: are seeing people that are so loved by God he 296 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: went to the cross for them. Why would we be 297 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 3: so frustrated or disappointed or aloof to see people like 298 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: if we really tried to see through the lens of Genesis, 299 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: through the lens of the Cross, through the lens of 300 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: the good news, the great joys for all the people, 301 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: then we see people. We would actually see people with 302 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: an excitement, with the value, with the worth as more 303 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: precious than any diamond that has ever been created. 304 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: It's amazing just to think about this idea that when 305 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: we receive the love of God, and that when we 306 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: know that God truly loves us, it begins to change 307 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: the way that we see everything and everyone else around us. 308 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: And Tim, that's kind of where I want to segue 309 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: now into your new book that's coming out February twenty fourth. 310 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: I had the opportunity of reading that just the other 311 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: day earlier this week, and man, it was impactful to 312 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: see the greatest love story but also the greatest rescue 313 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: mission not just ever told, but ever lived by the 314 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: hero of the universe, Jesus himself, through the lens of 315 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: something different. We've watched all the movies about through the 316 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: lens you know, of passion of the Christ, and we've 317 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: seen it through the lens of a Roman soldier, but 318 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: never have we seen it through the lens of the Cross. 319 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: And I was reading your author's note about how you're 320 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: on your living room floor listening to a sermon, and 321 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 2: there was something that came across your spirit Luton nineteen, 322 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: verse forty about how when you know the Pharisees are 323 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: trying to shut the disciples up and asking Jesus, tell 324 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: him to be quiet about who you are, tell him 325 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: to stop speaking. He says, well, even if they stop speaking, 326 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: that even the stones will cry out in honor of 327 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: my name. Tim, take us to that moment and why 328 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: that reaction was so deep and profound for you. 329 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was just one morning. I got up 330 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: early because I'm not a real good sleeper and I 331 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: could keep sleeping soil I got up early, and I 332 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: go to our TV room and I'm I'm doing some 333 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: therapy like rollout on my legs while I'm playing mad 334 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: and I'm listening to a sermon all at the same time, 335 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, because I'm kind of a multitasker, and I'm 336 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: listening to our pastor here in Jacksonville, Job Martin. And 337 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: it really wasn't even on this sermon that was about. 338 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: It was just. 339 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: Something that he mentioned led me to a thought that 340 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: led me to a thought that led me to a thought. 341 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I'm just thinking about, 342 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: as you said, Luke nineteen forty and if we don't 343 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: praise him, the rocks would cry out, and I just 344 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: start to think and honestly start to weep. One how 345 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: many times did I not praise him? But all of 346 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 3: creation was like, you're not doing your job, Timmy like 347 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 3: and I just started to weep. And then I started 348 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: to think, Man, if the rocks are so quick to 349 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 3: want to praise him. How much more so would the 350 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 3: tree that Jesus was nailed to want to praise him? 351 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 3: And I finished this thought and I just shot a 352 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: few notes down, and a couple of days later, I 353 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: was on a flight to an event with Kevin and Wyatt, 354 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: two of A team members that you met before, Zach, 355 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: and we were talking and I just started to share 356 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 3: my heart a little bit for this, and I started 357 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: to weep and talk about it and Whyatt started to 358 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: just take notes on everything that we were talking about, 359 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: and I was just trying to flood it out, and 360 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 3: that started. We didn't even know what this looked like. 361 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: We didn't know if we wanted to like, we weren't 362 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 3: even thinking book at first. We were thinking maybe I 363 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: could like a little children saying or something. I don't know. 364 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 3: It was just this thought that I just felt compelled 365 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 3: to want to share. And then all of a sudden, 366 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: a lot of illustrations later, and now it's a book 367 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: that I'm so excited about that I've cried so many 368 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: times over this book, and we have prayed so many 369 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: times over this book, and I really hope and pray 370 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: it's a perspective giver. Yes, and we would see the 371 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 3: we would see the love of Jesus through a different lens, 372 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: and maybe it would be the lens of the cross. 373 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: And I just thought, Man, if the rocks would be 374 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: so quick to cry out, how much more so would 375 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: the cross. And in one of the thoughts that I've 376 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: had and around this book was, you know, if if 377 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 3: the Tree and Jesus were having a conversation, and after 378 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: everything the tree experience with Jesus, if the tree were 379 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 3: to see all of these people that are some are 380 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 3: yelling at him, some are mocking him, some are throwing things, 381 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: some are leaving some you know, some would probably a 382 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 3: few might be praising him. I just can imagine that 383 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 3: the trees like, hey, Jesus, if you just gave me 384 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 3: a voice, I would tell them all just for a 385 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: little bit, would you give me a voice? Would you 386 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: just give me the chance? And Jesus is like, no, 387 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: that's their job. Your job was to hold me high. 388 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: You did your job, and you did it well. And 389 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: you know, I just think the symbol of the cross 390 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: is something we can never forget because what was once 391 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: an instrument of shame for flat out torture is now 392 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: a symbol of hope because of what Jesus does, that 393 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: he can take something that was one of the worst 394 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 3: instruments in all of history for shame and for guilt 395 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: and for torture and for torment, and now that is 396 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 3: used all around the world as a symbol of hope, honor, 397 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: and reverence. We just look at the cross. That's only 398 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 3: something that our God can do. And it just blows 399 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: me away when we really think about this. And you know, 400 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: one of the examples that we give is we kind 401 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: of give the life of the cross. Of this cross. 402 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: Probably had hopes and dreams of maybe I could be 403 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 3: a door, a table or a chair, maybe I could 404 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 3: maybe one day I could be a throne, you know, 405 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 3: And and he didn't realize that, you know, probably in 406 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: disappointment that he's being you know, torn and beaten into 407 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: a cross, but he didn't realize all of those dreams 408 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: were actually being manifested in a different way. He was 409 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: the throne for the King of kings, and he was 410 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: a doorway to heaven. And it's just it's surreal to 411 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: think about the picture of the of the Cross and 412 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: the picture of the Gospel. And I just never wanted 413 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: to get old to me and all of my heroes 414 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: that have been Christians for a long time, the Cross 415 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: never gets old to them, and that's one of my 416 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: favorite things about him. And I just don't ever want 417 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: the love of Jesus, the sacrifice of Jesus, the changing 418 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 3: of time. The curtain was torn, the earth shook, everything 419 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: changed at that moment. And if the life, the death, 420 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: the resurrection, and the sension of Jesus is true, everything 421 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: about everything about everything is different. It's the only thing 422 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 3: that changes everything. If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, 423 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: then what's it all for. If he rose from the dead, 424 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: then everything needs to stop and praise him because it 425 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: is everything. And this is just a different perspective to 426 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: try to encourage and challenge all of us to not 427 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: let the Cross become old to us, and maybe we 428 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: could see it from a different perspective and from the 429 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: perspective of the cross. 430 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: Amen Tim, I have two final questions for you, man. 431 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: I could hear you speak all day and just gleaned 432 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: from your wealth of wisdom and knowledge. But I'm just 433 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: thinking about somebody out there today listening who feels like 434 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: that Cross did early on, that had these big dreams, 435 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: these big goals, these big aspirations that cross, like you said, 436 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: thought about being a table or a chair or a 437 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: throne for a king. But then all of a sudden 438 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 2: he's almost frustrated because he's almost mad at this Jesus guy. 439 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 2: Whatever he did made him into this instrument of shame, 440 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: and he's like, man, I don't want to do this, 441 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to be this. But until he had 442 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: that revelation that he was a throne for a king, 443 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: just in the shape of a cross. And I think 444 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: of the symbolism and the imagery and countless lives of 445 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: those that I sit across from in counseling sessions that 446 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: they feel purposeless or they feel like they're lost in 447 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: time and they don't know what to do. I'm just thinking, 448 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: you do a lot of work around that idea of 449 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: identity and meaning and purpose. 450 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: What's a word of hope for. 451 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: Somebody out there today, tim about finding your purpose and 452 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: your worth and your value in the person of Jesus. 453 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: Well, we understand purpose, the reasons something is done, is created, 454 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: or exist, right, So why are we here? Why do 455 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: we exist? What are we just here to kind of 456 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: like go through school and get a job or is 457 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: there more to life? And I would challenge you that 458 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: if we look at the evidence, the evidence of the Cross, 459 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: the evidence of the Bible, the evidence of lives, we 460 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: look at all of this, that it would say that 461 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: we are created on purpose and for a purpose. Right. 462 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 3: And I would just encourage any listener who's going through it, 463 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: maybe they're struggling. I haven't found my purpose, And I 464 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 3: would encourage. 465 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: You one. 466 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: Go get in God's word and look at the love 467 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: of Jesus because it counts for you and man, when 468 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: you can just just touch a tiny bit of that love, 469 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: it changes everything of everything. But then I would encourage 470 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: you to do this. And it's going to sound a 471 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 3: little cheesy, but sometimes people ask me how do I 472 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: know what my purpose is? And I'll first say I 473 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 3: don't exactly know. But how has God created your mind 474 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 3: to think? 475 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: Right? 476 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 3: What is your mindset? How has God created Because all 477 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 3: of us think differently. We problem solve, we strategize, we 478 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 3: rationalize different How has God created your mindset? Then what 479 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 3: has he broken your heart for? What's your heart set? Right? 480 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: How has he he affected your heart? What does it 481 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 3: break for? And then what's your skill set? What does 482 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: he put in your hands, what is your your what 483 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: is your skill set? What can you build? What can 484 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: you do? What can you accomplish with your hands? And 485 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: then where has he placed you? What is your wear set? 486 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: So he got my mindset, my heart set, my skill set, 487 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 3: and my wear set, and give all of that to 488 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 3: God and try to say, God, this is all yours. 489 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: And I believe when you give all those sets to God, 490 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: he can turn it into a super set. And and 491 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: you know, so many times we're waiting to whoa one 492 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 3: day God, when I get there, No, don't wait till 493 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: you're there. What about why you're here? And one day 494 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: when I learned this trait? Yeah, but what about why 495 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 3: you've learned today? And so try to take that mindset, 496 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 3: that heart set, that skill set, that were set and 497 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: just use it right where God has you right now. 498 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: Just give it him to go serve somebody. And I 499 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: sometimes believe that what God does in our lives is 500 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: if we choose to have an action of service or 501 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 3: faith or giving or generosity, that there is a reaction 502 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: of our heart to that that sometimes we just make 503 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 3: the choice to go do it, and then there's a 504 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: reaction of our heart that actually softens us and fulfills us, 505 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: like maybe we didn't have the best intentions because they 506 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: were frustrated, irritated or whatever when we go make that, 507 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: but in doing it, there's something that God does as 508 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: a reaction in our heart and in our mind. And 509 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: so for those that are thinking, man, what's my purpose, 510 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: I'll just say, go out there and use what God's 511 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: given you for a few minutes to bless somebody else 512 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 3: and see if there's not a reaction of your heart 513 00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 3: and your mind to it. 514 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: Tim. Obviously a lot of your life is spent behind 515 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: a mic in the bright lights, and you have a 516 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: unique platform. But I know this that everybody has a 517 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: platform of their own. Speak to the person who maybe 518 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: isn't the news broadcaster, the football analyst, but still has 519 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: a platform to speak for the gospel. 520 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that everybody has an opportunity because there's 521 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: somebody that is watching and listening, and every platform is different. 522 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: Some might have more eyeball, some have less. But the 523 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: question is what we be faithful in those situations to 524 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: try to steward it as best we can. And I 525 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: just think that so many times in our economy we say, oh, 526 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: that person with more followers, there is more valuable or 527 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 3: could do more for the kingdom. And I'm just reminded 528 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: of the parable of the talents that you know what 529 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: their reward was, the exact same, Well done, my good 530 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your Master. 531 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 3: Wasn't well done, good and successful? Well done, good and faithful. 532 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: And I think that our goal should just try to 533 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: strive to be imperfectly faithful as much as we as 534 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 3: much as we can, and that. But I also believe 535 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: that God has different people in our life that He 536 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: has put in our path for us to care and 537 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 3: love on and share the good news with. 538 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 2: You know, Tim, as we wrap up, you know, we 539 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: talked about purpose today. We've talked about meaning. You're somebody 540 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 2: that lives life with an incredible sense of urgency, and 541 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: I know that the message behind your urgency is really 542 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: what the Cross came to realize in your book, if 543 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: the Tree could speak that all of this, all of 544 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 2: the shame, all of the torment, all of the torture, 545 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: and the sacrifice that Christ paid on our behalf, it 546 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: was all love and disguise. And I think, you know 547 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: what I want us to end on is what the 548 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: Cross came in terms of a revelation. He didn't realize 549 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: who this man was. 550 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: At first. 551 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: He thought it was just a carpenter that could pretend 552 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: turn him into something and he could get something from him, 553 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: until he recognized that he was a king. And I 554 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people, Tim, who walk around 555 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: this earth and they have an improper understanding or view 556 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 2: of who God is. 557 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking. 558 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: I remember a pastor, my hometown pastor once said in 559 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: an Easter sermon, it matters not who I say that 560 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: Jesus is. What matters most is who you say that 561 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: Jesus is, Tim Tebow, I'd love to finish out this way. 562 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 2: Who is the person of Jesus to you? 563 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: He's everything. He's the only thing that changes everything about everything. 564 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: He's the person that changed time, changed history, changed our dates, 565 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: changed our calendar, changed our hope, changed our eternity. He 566 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 3: changed it all by his obedience by God willing to 567 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 3: give him, and his obedience to fulfill for the joy 568 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 3: sep before him. He endured the cross, despise, the shame, 569 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: finished the race, and then he sat down at the 570 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: right hand of the throne of God. Why we can't 571 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: sit down is because there should still be a joy 572 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 3: set before us, and it should be all the lives 573 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 3: that God has in store for us to encounter, to 574 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: make a brighter day, to make a difference, to here, 575 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 3: to share the good news of the Gospel, to bring 576 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: out of hard times, to bring into a place of faith, 577 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: hope and love. Like that is for some reason, God 578 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: doesn't need us, but he wants us. He allows us 579 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 3: to be on his team. It's surreal, Like when we 580 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: really I think weak sometimes the way we kind of 581 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 3: get we can get out of sometimes churchy words and 582 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: phrases that we've been in most of our life, and like, 583 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: wait a second, we get to be connected to the 584 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: source of life and prayer and in His word, and 585 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 3: then we get to be on his team with his 586 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 3: mission for humanity. It's like the craziest mind boggling thought 587 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: of all time. Like we actually get like that's crazy. 588 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 3: God wants to communicate with me what like and I 589 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 3: get to be on his team, Like this is the 590 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: most surreal thought, and that we get to be a 591 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: part of the great commission, the great mission, the greatest 592 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: love story rescue mission of all time. And when we 593 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: really realize the severity of that what we have been 594 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: saved from, who we have been saved by, what we 595 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: have been saved for, there should be something in us 596 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: that speeds up, that gives us a sense of urgency. 597 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 3: Because what happens is we when we look at the cross, 598 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 3: when the more we fall in love with Jesus, the 599 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: less we live on our timeline, and the more we 600 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 3: live on others' timeline, especially those that are lost in 601 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 3: hurting and have never heard the good news of the Gospel. 602 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: We can't continue to live on our timeline thinking, Okay, 603 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: well I got this in store and one day I'm 604 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: gonna go on a summer mission trip and I'm gonna share, 605 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna do this and I'll wait for my 606 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: retirement I'll get from that. No, because maybe what we're 607 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: planning for one day, how many days, don't have another day, 608 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: and we have to live on somebody else's timeline. And 609 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: I'm so gre so glad and grateful that King Jesus 610 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: came down and into time and gave up his life 611 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: so that we could have it and have it abundantly. 612 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 3: And I just I know I've screwed it up a 613 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: whole lot, But man, I want a lot of people 614 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: to know. I want everybody to know the good news. 615 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: Of Jesus, Tin Tibo, You're a blessing, my friend. What 616 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: a word of encouragement right there, and a word of hope. 617 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: We were created on purpose for a purpose. Let us 618 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: continue to live a missional life. Let us look again 619 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: to see people a little bit differently. And I hope 620 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: and pray that everybody will go and pick up a 621 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: copy of your newest book coming out again Tuesday, February 622 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 2: twenty fourth. If the tree could speak, it's impactful. It'll 623 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: change your life. It'll change the lives of those that 624 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: you love. Tim. 625 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: Where can our audience go to find out a little 626 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: bit more about you, my friend? 627 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess they can go anywhere our 628 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 3: website or I don't know. It doesn't matter. You don't 629 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: need to learn more about me. Go study Jesus sees it. 630 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 3: I'll let you down, he won't. 631 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: I love that, Tim, Tim, thank you again for all 632 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: that you do, for all that you stand for, for 633 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: the way that you live. 634 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: Us Clintons. 635 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: We have a lot of love for the Tea bost 636 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: Please give my best to Demian, to Daphne. I love 637 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: and Appreciate you, my friend, Appreciate your brother so grateful 638 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: for you. 639 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 3: See you man