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Speaker 1: j Hewett. Matt Continetti has, of course, senior Fellow and

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Speaker 1: Domestic Studies at the American Enterprise Institute. He's also the

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Speaker 1: Free Expressions columnist at the Wall Street Journal. In today's column,

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Speaker 1: he writes, at the through line of Donald Trump's foreign

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Speaker 1: policy for forty years as been Iran, Matt, it got

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Speaker 1: a new iteration day to unconditional surrender. Dwayne did this

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Speaker 1: the images. But the original unconditional surrender man was Grant

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Speaker 1: and he said it the Fort Donaldson and he he

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Speaker 1: just met walk out and lay everything down. What do

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Speaker 1: you think Trump meets by unconditional surrender, Well, Hugh.

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Speaker 2: I think he can mean a few things.

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Speaker 3: The first is that he's going to eliminate Iran's capacity

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Speaker 3: to so mayhem around the region, so decimate the Iranian

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Speaker 3: war machine. They're also going after Iran's apparatus of repression,

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Speaker 3: slaughtered the thirty thousand Iranians during the recent protests. So

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Speaker 3: unconditional surrender would mean a fundamental change in the Iranian government,

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Speaker 3: that says that they are going to act according to

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Speaker 3: Trump's will, that sort of regime coercion that we saw

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Speaker 3: in Venezuela, or a popular uprising. The Iranian people take

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Speaker 3: to the streets once again at the conclusion of this

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Speaker 3: military campaign and they lay the groundwork for a new

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Speaker 1: Are Americans overconfident at this point? Because one missile at Demona,

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Speaker 3: Will It's hard to know who exactly they'd be unhappy at.

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Speaker 3: I think they'd be unhappy at Iran if Iran was

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Speaker 3: to unleash mass terrorism or asymmetric warfare in response to

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Speaker 3: this conflict. But you're right to suggest that the war

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Speaker 3: is not over, and of course we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what lies ahead, but we do know this, Hugh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the military effort by our sailors, pilots, soldiers

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Speaker 2: And once you've.

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Speaker 3: Really defanged Iran's ability to shoot these ballistic missiles at

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Speaker 3: on to the regime targets. And I think we saw

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Speaker 3: what happens when the Ranians no longer can control their

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Speaker 1: Now, it's not a stupid country. And so what I'm

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Speaker 1: calling their Yosemite Sam strategy based upon the Warner Brothers

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Speaker 1: They're not stupid? What did they think they were going

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Speaker 3: That has not succeeded, and in fact, the Iran Yosemite

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's where we got. Ninety dollars at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right, it's already increasing here. But again I

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Speaker 3: Pacific Rim, they're in Europe, so they're gonna do. The

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Speaker 3: Iranians hope exert some pressure on Trump, but what we've

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Speaker 2: He wants the campaign to succeed. He wants victory.

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Speaker 1: Matt this morning, I was up early for Fox and

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Speaker 1: Friends and asked about the Mark Wayne Mullen choice. My

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Speaker 1: assessment is that Donald Trump is a ruthless patriot, meaning

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Speaker 1: to be ruthless about, you know, taking out people who

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Speaker 3: That's true, and the Gnome to Mullen, the switch would

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Speaker 3: you know, considering the record in the first term, quite incredible.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, it's a great question, Hugh.

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Speaker 3: I was recently reading some of our friends, Victor Davis

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Speaker 3: Wasn't until he made that changed to David Petraeus and

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Speaker 2: So I would hope that.

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Speaker 3: President Trump would follow in the footsteps of great war

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Speaker 2: And it was clear on the home front.

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Speaker 3: That Secretary Gnome had become a distraction and even a

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Speaker 3: tactics on mass deportations away from these very dramatic raids

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Speaker 3: correct move by Trump, and I don't anticipate that Mullen

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Speaker 1: Our Democrats in danger if they slow down Mullin. We

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Speaker 1: round up in New Jersey last year. For real. If

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Speaker 1: as chairman, do they pay a price?

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Speaker 2: Well they should.

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Speaker 2: I'm struck as I'm watching this.

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Speaker 3: Politically from the Iran War, the Republicans are unified. You know,

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Speaker 3: there are some loan dissenters, but for more or less,

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Speaker 3: are unified behind Trump. The Democrats, I think are unserious.

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Speaker 3: It's not only that they're continuing to block funding for

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Speaker 3: but that they're also voting on the one hand against

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Speaker 3: Trump's powers as commander in chief and on the other

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Speaker 3: they're admitting that Iran is the world's largest sponsor of terrorism. Well,

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Speaker 3: if you think that the Iran, if you correctly, is

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Speaker 3: US Commander in chief's ability to punish Iran, to in

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom saying Israel's in apartheid state, declaring war on

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Speaker 1: It is the descent of Democratic Party rhetoric into incoherence.

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Speaker 1: We stayed. In fact, we're still there. I want to

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Speaker 1: What do you think about a Goldilock strategy? What's it

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Speaker 2: Well, in five years we won in Iran.

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Speaker 3: That's not a threat to our neighbor, its neighbors, and

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Speaker 3: and I think those are achievable goals if you apply

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety one, we didn't go far enough. We

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Speaker 3: and that required Operation Iraqi Freedom in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 2: I'd like to talk about with the Iraq War.

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Speaker 3: Though you know, the initial Iraq War was stunning success.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, Saddam fell within six weeks. The regime ended

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Speaker 3: combating the insurgency, and there I would say the reason

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Speaker 3: In fact, we didn't have the number of troops that

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said it. I was going to

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Speaker 4: that creates a window for you. And we all saw

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Speaker 4: what happened for the Eagles when they pulled off that

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Speaker 4: legendary Saquon trade, and that season is really because of

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Speaker 4: the stupidity of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got Judkins and he's real good. We need

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Speaker 1: receivers and offensive tackles, so we get two first rounders,

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Speaker 1: but we will not be taking Jeremiah up. Let me

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Speaker 1: then turn. That leads me to the demand signal for

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Speaker 1: Bock Drafts tells us that the NFL season is year round,

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Speaker 1: and for the Daily Signal opinion page, it tells me

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Speaker 1: that there's a Dan Jenkins out there, or any fine

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Speaker 1: stain anybody like that for just an occasional great piece

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Speaker 1: on any sport.

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Speaker 4: I would read it, Well, look, we are going to

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Speaker 4: be adding people. I have the I have at a

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Speaker 4: great colleague in Brent Sure who formerly of the Free Beacon,

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Speaker 4: who brought me on and convinced me to take on

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Speaker 4: this gig. And one of the first things that we

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Speaker 4: spent a lot of time talking about was his long

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Speaker 4: suffering Jets fandom. And so look, if a man can

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Speaker 4: endure that kind of pain over the course of his life,

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Speaker 4: he's absolutely willing to have people who write about.

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Speaker 1: It dangerous boss. I've told you he's the last man

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Speaker 1: to get the fetching MISSISSI at Tipsy and so I

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Speaker 1: don't trust Brent, but be careful. Now let's get the

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Speaker 1: serious stuff. Dwayn did this for me today's picture of

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Speaker 1: unconditional surrender Donald John Trump. And this picture came up

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Speaker 1: when we got General Grant at Shiloh, and we put

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's face on him. At least Dwain did what

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Speaker 1: did the president mean by unconditional surrender? Ben?

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Speaker 4: I think the President is making clear that he did

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Speaker 4: not enter this with any intention of having leftover problems

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Speaker 4: for future presidents and for the country. I think that

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump used this second term as being one where

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Speaker 4: he is settling all family business, and that means he

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Speaker 4: is going after all the people who he wants to

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Speaker 4: take off the board and doing so with you know,

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Speaker 4: a precipitous nature, but you know, one that I think

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Speaker 4: Republicans have been surprised by, but also one that is

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Speaker 4: intended to achieve a new reality, a new a new

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Speaker 4: world that is dominated by America and that has America's

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Speaker 4: interests in the decisions that he has made. I don't

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Speaker 4: think he wants anything left over. I don't think he

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Speaker 4: wants to be asked five six years from now, you know,

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Speaker 4: if he's still you know, God be with you know,

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Speaker 4: God bless him, if he's still around, if he is

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Speaker 4: asked the kind of question, why did you leave a

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Speaker 4: rump version of this Iran regime in place to once

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Speaker 4: again threaten you know, your your friends or allies in

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Speaker 4: the Middle East, you know, the people who we care about.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he wants to have that question. I

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Speaker 4: think he wants to take them off the board permanently.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I think he's saying this unconditional surrender thing.

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Speaker 4: He wants a situation that does We're down to America's

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Speaker 4: interests more than any kind of you know, pie in

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Speaker 4: the sky hope about a you know, a truly you know,

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Speaker 4: free I ran. But I also think that he is

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Speaker 4: not willing to accept what some people have proposed, which

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Speaker 4: is kind of a half measure in terms of the

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Speaker 4: way things look. They're thinking about domestic politics. They're worried

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Speaker 4: this is going to last too long. I don't think

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Speaker 4: that's something that he's worried about.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's looking for Goldilocks nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: one too little, two thousand and three too big. What's

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Speaker 1: in the middle of that? Winning, that's right. Winning is

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Speaker 1: in the middle of that, and then leaving and winning

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Speaker 1: and leaving is not impossible. Here during after the break,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you about the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: and their meltdown. During the break, I'm talked about Mark

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Speaker 1: Wayne Mullen. Leading into the break, I want me in

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Speaker 1: a minute. Are you worried about sleeper cells? Because I am.

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Speaker 4: I'm less worried about sleeper cells than some people, But

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that I'm not worried. It's a real thing.

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Speaker 4: It's not a fantasy, and you shouldn't listen to anybody

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Speaker 4: who says they are. This is a very real possibility.

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Speaker 4: I will I will say though, that you look America's

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Speaker 4: military has been planning for this for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: We had a great piece this week at The Daily

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Speaker 4: Wire that I recommend to everyone about the Van Riper

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Speaker 4: Millennium Challenge game and what he did and why that

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Speaker 4: helped inform a lot of people about what could go

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Speaker 4: wrong with going after Iran. I think that same type

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Speaker 4: of approach has been used to some degree domestically to

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Speaker 4: pay attention to some of the risk points, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But I hope that under this administration that everybody's hands

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Speaker 4: are really on the wheel. And the truth is that

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Speaker 4: after a week in which we've steamed the departure of

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Speaker 4: Christy zero, and after a week in which we've had

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Speaker 4: concerns raised about what's going on at BOJ and the FBI,

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Speaker 4: that's something that I think Americans need to have more confidence.

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Speaker 1: Though we're going to talk about the fact that President

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Speaker 1: Trump has gone into war, President ruthless mode needs to

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Speaker 1: be inconfident turning to break and after that, when we

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Speaker 1: kind of left it an't go anwhere America's big good.

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Speaker 1: I'm back with Ben Dominich of The Daily Wire. The

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Speaker 1: Big Ben Podcast this week is fabulous. Ben Shapiro, his

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Speaker 1: new colleague is there, Ben, and Ben Talablue, who is

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Speaker 1: with me yesterday, is on for an extended conversation about

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Speaker 1: the Kurds. Again, it's very important. But now let's talk

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Speaker 1: about this ruthlessness. I think President Trump is a ruthless,

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Speaker 1: tough patriot, in other words, non autocrat. If the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court says no tariffs, he goes along with it. That's

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Speaker 1: not autocratic behavior. I wish the Democrats would notice that

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Speaker 1: when he loses, he loses, and he grumbles, but he loses.

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Speaker 1: But he's now going to be ruthless because he cannot

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Speaker 1: afford incompetence. Ben, and you just can't if you're running

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Speaker 1: a war.

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Speaker 4: No, you can't. And I think that you understands that.

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Speaker 4: And I believe that he's been you know, look, he's

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Speaker 4: a he perceives things from the outside of politics, and

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Speaker 4: you know, as was informed by a lot of you know,

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Speaker 4: the things that he watched and learned and read. And

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Speaker 4: I think that one of his takeaways was that time

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Speaker 4: and again, you know, the American warf had their hands tied.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the reasons he made some choices that

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Speaker 4: Washington doesn't like. When it comes to the leadership that

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Speaker 4: he chose. But also I think it's because he wants

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Speaker 4: to really unleash what America can do. You know, a

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Speaker 4: lot of these plans just because they you know, were

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Speaker 4: put into action or or or were put into the

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Speaker 4: process by Symcom, didn't necessarily have the possibility of going

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Speaker 4: into action under a different president, you know, meaning meaning

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Speaker 4: that you would go for the more conventional or the

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Speaker 4: more restrained plan. I think that he's shown that's not

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Speaker 4: what he does, you know, when he I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: there's a very I was not quite frankly able to

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Speaker 4: run this down. Others have said that they have, whether

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Speaker 4: you want to believe it or not, that the President

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Speaker 4: insisted when it came to that Maduro raid that they

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Speaker 4: get down to the POSI the probability of not having

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Speaker 4: a single casualty on that raid. Now, that tells you

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Speaker 4: something about his insistence. It tells you something about how

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Speaker 4: much he pays attention to this. And you know, other

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Speaker 4: presidents I think would have been willing to accept, you know, well,

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Speaker 4: we're going to do this, it's going to be something

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Speaker 4: that works out for us, but we're going to lose

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Speaker 4: fifty guys. And I think that that's not something that

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Speaker 4: is accept told him he has a ruthless behavior toward

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Speaker 4: the enemy, and then he has a very protective enemy,

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Speaker 4: protective attitude toward the American soldier. That's something that I

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Speaker 4: think is one of the reasons that he is so

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Speaker 4: uniting when it comes to the attitude of his supporters.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Hugh, I think that this is the

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Speaker 4: biggest miss out there that the media has been churning

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Speaker 4: up suggesting that Tucker and Megan and all the other

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Speaker 4: people that they actually speak for some significant president's base.

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Speaker 4: They do not. There is not a look of evidence

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Speaker 4: in any of these polls that is not what's going

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Speaker 4: on here. He might be losing people who are part

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Speaker 4: of his coalition, but the people he's losing are over

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Speaker 4: economic concerns, price of gas, et cetera. Hispanic voters who

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Speaker 4: feel like he's been a little too aggressive when it

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Speaker 4: comes to the immigration side of things. That's all explainable.

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Speaker 4: There is absolutely no evidence that these people who have

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Speaker 4: been fomenting this idea that he's going to war on

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Speaker 4: behalf of Israel as opposed to America's interest. They have

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Speaker 4: no basis whatsoever to claim that it's.

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Speaker 1: Wish casting by legacy media. That's it wish casting by

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Speaker 1: legacy Media. I'm coming right back with Ben dominic Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere America, don't come back in America. I'm here

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Speaker 1: here with Ben Dominich. Ben. I don't think the late

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Speaker 1: Ayatollah Hamini was a dummy, and so he came up

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Speaker 1: with this, you know, semity Sam strategy where you go

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Speaker 1: into the saloon and you just start shooting everywhere.

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Speaker 4: And it's a great description. I wish I had come

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Speaker 4: up with I enjy that.

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Speaker 1: Well to take it, you run with it, because I

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Speaker 1: don't own you know, semity Sam. What were they thinking?

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Speaker 1: What was the thinking behind that?

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Speaker 4: Which I mean oman like, yeah, we were like it's

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Speaker 4: just catching strays out here. It's just like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's Look. Shapiro has a theory about this, which he

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Speaker 4: says on my podcast, which is that they wanted to

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Speaker 4: just bring other people into the war and then have

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Speaker 4: them essentially get in the president's year and say, hey,

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Speaker 4: you got to slow things down or you can't do

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Speaker 4: everything the Israelis want you to do. If that was

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Speaker 4: their strategy, it was a bad strategy and it didn't work.

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Speaker 4: It's also one that frankly had set up a situation where,

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Speaker 4: you know, we already talked about a week into Ron,

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Speaker 4: their inability to project power after everything that Israel has

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Speaker 4: been able to do to their proxies across the region,

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Speaker 4: and everything that has happened to them economically and internally,

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Speaker 4: that has completely undermined their authority and ability to control

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Speaker 4: their own populace, which of course led to those tens

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Speaker 4: of thousands of people in the streets too, sadly many

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Speaker 4: of them slaughtered by the regime. This is an incredibly

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Speaker 4: weak moment, and so my attitude is when I see

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Speaker 4: these democrats who were going out there and saying this

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Speaker 4: is there's no imminent threat, there's no you know, something

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Speaker 4: that's going to you know, there's no better time to

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Speaker 4: kick a man than when he's down.

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Speaker 1: You especially well, Okay, explain to you Gavin Newsom on

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Speaker 1: the Warner Brothers theme, he's Sylvester the Cat. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have any idea what he's doing. He went on the

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Speaker 1: Pod Bros, which has become like anti semi Central. They

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Speaker 1: should just merge with our.

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Speaker 2: Right wing frame.

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Speaker 4: Seriously, they should deem themselves Pod.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, I'll take that one. You can have your Semite, Sam,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: But seriously, the fact that they are at this point,

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Speaker 4: like are you it's but for Ben Rhoads, Like I mean, like,

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Speaker 4: did you use that yet?

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Speaker 5: You know, I may I may delete this and just

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Speaker 5: steal that and pretend it's mine.

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Speaker 1: Pod Gosh, that's perfect.

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Speaker 4: But but this is But the point is just these

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Speaker 4: guys they are so invested, yeah, in an ahistorical revisionist

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Speaker 4: view of the Iran deal that it was some kind

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Speaker 4: of dramatic, amazing, peace loving and achieving, you know, diplomatic deal.

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Speaker 4: They are so invested in that narrative that they can't

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Speaker 4: even see anything that's going on in front of them.

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Speaker 4: It is astounding to me that these people got to

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Speaker 4: the heights of power. They really were right there next

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Speaker 4: to the President of the United States telling him what

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Speaker 4: words to say. And by the way, Obama has not

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Speaker 4: been any better on this if anything, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think the fact that Donald Trump is cleaning up his

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Speaker 4: mess in so many ways, I'm sure it's frustrating for him.

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Speaker 4: I cannot believe. I mean, I can't even imagine what

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Speaker 4: he's going through, especially considering you know, those.

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Speaker 1: I can't answer this and you can't answer this, But

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Speaker 1: the pod Bros Plus Ben Roads plus President Obama yesterday,

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Speaker 1: have you ready Gore, who's really I think Israel's emerging

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Speaker 1: public intellectual. We've had doctor Orrin for a years an

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Speaker 1: he had on Micah Goodman, who I do not know,

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Speaker 1: my Monetyese scholar. And they used some names like Comel

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Speaker 1: from Turkey, and then they brought up Katube and Bana,

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Speaker 1: guys that you would know if you read The Looming Tower.

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Speaker 1: Do you think anyone on the pod Bros Or President

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Speaker 1: Obama have any idea who these people are and how

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Speaker 1: they shape the Middle East in the image of their

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Speaker 1: resistance Islamist philosophy, because it's idiody.

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Speaker 4: I think that this is I think that this is

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Speaker 4: upon reflection a series of Democrat elites who were credentialed

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Speaker 4: and were so incurious about history that they thought everything

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Speaker 4: was new, They thought everything was bold, They thought everything

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Speaker 4: was some kind of massive achievement that was going to

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Speaker 4: stand the test of time. And the truth is that

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Speaker 4: if you know anything about history, you would be skeptical

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Speaker 4: about that. Even if you thought it was the right decision,

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Speaker 4: you would be saying, well, what if it's wrong? You know, what,

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Speaker 4: what if we do go in a different way. And

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I think is so important

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Speaker 4: when it comes to evaluating these things is to say, okay, well,

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Speaker 4: let's steal man the other side of the issue. They

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Speaker 4: have never done that. They have only ever plowed through

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Speaker 4: straw man their entire careers. And that's what I think.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think we ended up with the kind

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Speaker 4: of foreign policy that we had under Barack Obama, with

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Speaker 4: people who had incredibly impressive resumes in terms of their

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Speaker 4: educational experience, but non impressive resumes when it came to

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Speaker 4: actually doing anything, living anything, enacting any policy.

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Speaker 1: They knew how to seduce legacy journalists. That's what they knew.

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Speaker 1: The echo check Yes. So, which Democrat nominee for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight has been most helped by the last week,

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Speaker 1: Assuming that the trajectory of American success continues.

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Speaker 4: I think that given the way that things are going,

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Speaker 4: I actually think that this benefits, of all people, AOC.

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Speaker 4: I think that she has actually helped the most by this,

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Speaker 4: and the reason is that she is because she has

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Speaker 4: flubbed so much on the international stage. She is going

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Speaker 4: to focus, i think, entirely on domestic issues, entirely on

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Speaker 4: affordability on all the things that are close to home,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. She's not going to try to win people

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Speaker 4: over again in the way that she did when she

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Speaker 4: went to Munich et cetera. I think that she's just

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Speaker 4: going to say, I'm just about what's going on in America.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump has failed to meet the you know, the

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Speaker 4: mission that he had when it came to helping working people,

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Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. And I think that that's something

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Speaker 4: that's going to actually work within their party coalition because

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Speaker 4: they're going to want to put their blinkers on. They

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Speaker 4: don't want to actually admit anything about what happened overseas.

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Speaker 1: How about my my pro rama. Manuel steps out and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I was there in the first term. Obamacare hasn't worked,

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Speaker 1: as Teddy Kennedy died, we can fix that.

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Speaker 4: To the heel turn. And then I went to I'm

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Speaker 4: in for this. I am absolutely in for this.

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Speaker 1: And I went to Japan and I know what China is,

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Speaker 1: and these people over here have never been out of

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Speaker 1: the country and they will not be near my White House.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go get the old JFK Democrats and

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Speaker 1: bring him in and by the way I drop a

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Speaker 1: lot f bombs and I'm sorry, mom, but that's who

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 4: Well and and unlike Gavin news program, that's who it is.

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Speaker 1: It it really is who he is.

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Speaker 4: And I will tell you this. I will tell you

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Speaker 4: this you and this is is absolutely God's honest truth.

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Speaker 4: Back when I was, you know, in the in this

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Speaker 4: policy space and centive in the media space, my friends

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Speaker 4: and I admired Rom so much in terms of his

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Speaker 4: approach to the Obama white House. And we always said,

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Speaker 4: if Rom had won out over Valerie Jarrett, this white

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Speaker 4: House would have gone very amen and and that and

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Speaker 4: that is I believe still true to this day. You

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Speaker 4: would have been a better and more effective president. We

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Speaker 4: would have we would have hated it more because of

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Speaker 4: that effectiveness. It's conservatives, but it's the truth.

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Speaker 1: And his brother can raise the money, and he knows

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Speaker 1: how to debate. And he's been on this show and

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Speaker 1: Gavin new some who said a thousand times he'd come

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Speaker 1: on this show and he won't show up because he

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Speaker 1: won't take He's gone the other way. Now now he's hired.

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Speaker 4: Is he has people been pointing this out. You you

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Speaker 4: need to you need to marshal a group of people

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Speaker 4: to start teasing Gavin Newsom on the internet because I

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Speaker 4: have learned from Ted Cruz that that works.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, I've always thought it didn't work. But

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Speaker 1: now I'm so frustrated because he said yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes yes, And then is he took over and he

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Speaker 1: said yes yes, yes, yes yes, and then he doesn't

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Speaker 1: reply anymore because he's I.

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Speaker 4: Sit on TV with him multiple times, I've been green

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Speaker 4: rooms with him multiple times. I'm sure that this is

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Speaker 4: the There has got to be a way to get

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Speaker 4: under his skin to the point that he comes on.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's the first California gave right off the bat.

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Speaker 4: Right off the bat, You're going to ask him if

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Speaker 4: he read the Looming Cower and then he's going to

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Speaker 4: say that you hate people who are dyslected.

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Speaker 1: You're right. All he has to do is know the

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Speaker 1: name Katu. He can fake that. Hey, Ben Dominics, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining me, and congratulations on the Daily Signal.

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Speaker 1: That is terrific. The Daily Wire, not the Daily Signal,

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Speaker 1: the Daily Wire. And on the Big Ben Pod this week,

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Speaker 1: listen to it because Ben and Ben Tellablue and on

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Speaker 1: that too, come my fact any the dealership Blooker back in America.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll watch Cancel on the Salem News Channel

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Speaker 1: the news menu, drop down find Salem News Channel, or

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Speaker 1: listen to us in the radio and the Salem Radio Network,

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Speaker 1: or of course any of our wonderful affiliates. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Eli Lake. He is, of course of the Free Press,

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Speaker 1: the host of Breaking History, and an expert on Iran.

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Speaker 1: Eli were coming to the end of the first week

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Speaker 1: of the war. How do you think it's going.

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Speaker 6: I think it's going really well. I think there's still

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Speaker 6: we shouldn't get too comfortable. But right now it's hard

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Speaker 6: to say who's in charge. I think their commanding control

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Speaker 6: is severely degraded. And then if you just look at

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Speaker 6: the response, the Iranians have attacked everybody from Azerbaijan to Qatar,

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Speaker 6: and so they've turned fence sitters who are their neighbors

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Speaker 6: into adversaries. And then they're two powerful patrons. Russia and

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Speaker 6: China have not really done much of anything to help them.

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Speaker 6: They are alone, leaderless, and the strategy, which I think

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Speaker 6: you know, some of the more pessimistic people in the

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Speaker 6: West would talk about is that they want to try

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Speaker 6: to extend it out and continue to sort of drain

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Speaker 6: American resources. They may have hit some of our air

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Speaker 6: defense and missile defense radars systems. That would be a problem.

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Speaker 6: But right now, you know, according to what we're hearing

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Speaker 6: from General Kin and Admiral Cooper, the United States has

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Speaker 6: taken out most of their ability. I mean, the rate

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Speaker 6: of fire from their missiles has decreased. We're probably going

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Speaker 6: to see more of their drones, but it's going extremely well.

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Speaker 1: They have adopted what I've been calling and you're old

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Speaker 1: enough to remember this, maybe the Yosemite Sam strategy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember, I know, you know Yosemite Sam is he

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Speaker 1: would fire off for a different direction. So they've done that.

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Speaker 1: To what end do you think they did that?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 6: I think that there. I think it was kind of

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Speaker 6: a panic move. I mean, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 6: at this point, we have to it's it's just think

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Speaker 6: about this. I was getting I was briefing some very

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Speaker 6: senior Israeli military folks, and what they told me was

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Speaker 6: they couldn't believe they would have the ability to target

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Speaker 6: mobile missile launchers, the way that the US and Israel

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Speaker 6: has in this war so effectively even a few years ago.

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Speaker 6: I mean, think about how hard a problem that is

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Speaker 6: in a country as large as Iran. Some of that

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Speaker 6: is because Israel has the entire country rewired, but some

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Speaker 6: of it is just because of our technology and our

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Speaker 6: ability to do the kind of instant you know, big

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Speaker 6: data sorting with AI and pinpoint these targets. But that

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Speaker 6: was seen as a kind of you know, impossible problem

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Speaker 6: with the amount of missiles that they had. And yet

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Speaker 6: here we are, and unlike the Twelve Day War, I

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Speaker 6: think we can safely say at this point that in

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Speaker 6: Ron's sort of defense industrial comprop plex, its ability to

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Speaker 6: eventually kind of renew its military at this point is finished.

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Speaker 1: Now Trump gave them the three strikes option. Solimani was

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Speaker 1: strike number roun. The Midnight Hammer was strike number two.

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Speaker 1: Now he's gone to unconditional surrender. Dwayne made this for me,

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Speaker 1: a picture of the famous US Grant picture with Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's face over post. When fort Donaldson, he said, unconditional stender.

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean?

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Speaker 6: Eli, I think it means that whoever's left in the

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Speaker 6: leadership of Iran will you know, crawl on their knees

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Speaker 6: one hundred yards still they you know. I mean, this

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Speaker 6: is a this goes back to the history of warfare.

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Speaker 6: This is basically, you guys were saying death to America

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Speaker 6: for nearly fifty years. So now what I want is

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Speaker 6: for you to, you know, acknowledge that you lost and

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Speaker 6: you've been defeated.

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Speaker 2: I think he's.

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Speaker 6: Speaking a language that the Iranians absolutely understand.

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Speaker 2: At this point.

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Speaker 1: Do they get to keep their small arms and their

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Speaker 1: mules like Grant allows the troops to do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they got to run a country. And we're not going

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Speaker 1: to disband the army again, right the arteche We're not

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Speaker 1: going to do that again. We did that once in

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Speaker 1: Iraq and it was the wrong move.

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Speaker 6: No, especially, I think that there's more likelihood that you

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Speaker 6: would see the National Army, which was by the way,

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Speaker 6: created by Rezapolovi's grandfather. That was something from the Shah

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Speaker 6: that I think is an institution that can stand. I

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Speaker 6: think that there was a chance you'll see probably I

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Speaker 6: hope leadership defections from there. I would say the Revolutionary

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Speaker 6: Guard Corp that was created by Jolakomani.

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Speaker 2: I think that's got to go.

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Speaker 6: And then you know what's interesting is that they've been

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Speaker 6: very strategic this time. I think that Trump learned a

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Speaker 6: lesson from early January when he told Iranians to go

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Speaker 6: into the streets.

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Speaker 1: They're saying, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: There's a war going on.

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Speaker 6: Bombs are dropping, and it's almost as if we're sort

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Speaker 6: of saying we're going to give the order. The other

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Speaker 6: thing to keep in mind is that we saw developments

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Speaker 6: is that it appears that there's an understanding now with

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Speaker 6: Irani encourage there are ten million of them and the

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Speaker 6: US government that there will be air cover if they

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Speaker 6: want to begin fighting the remnants of the regime in

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Speaker 6: the second phase of this. I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 6: you saw that with other ethnic groups. I think it's

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Speaker 6: very important for these groups to come out and make

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Speaker 6: very clear that they are not interested in creating sort

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Speaker 6: of separatist little statelets.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to the yesterday. I said that would be

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Speaker 1: a nightmare if the various ethnicity has all said they

872
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Speaker 1: want the statement.

873
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Speaker 6: No, I don't think it's going to happen, and I

874
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Speaker 6: think that there's an opportunity here for some competent diplomacy

875
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Speaker 6: to make sure that doesn't happen, and then you know,

876
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 6: we'll have to see I have been critical of elements

877
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 6: of res apology, but I do think that he does

878
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Speaker 6: represent something, especially now that we're getting the unconditional surrender,

879
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Speaker 6: that he could be this option for a transitional leader

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Speaker 6: who has enough recognition and he needs to build support

881
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Speaker 6: among more Randians inside the country, though he has some

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Speaker 6: of it. And then I think he has said so

883
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Speaker 6: many times over the years he's not interested in becoming

884
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Speaker 6: another Shah, So he would be somebody who I think

885
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Speaker 6: you could trust to transition round to democracy. But we're

886
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Speaker 6: not there yet. We're still in the war. But it's

887
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Speaker 6: telling that only six days into it, we're talking about

888
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Speaker 6: these things right now because I think they're pressing questions.

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Speaker 1: What's very telling to me is that the journal story

890
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Speaker 1: today that UAE continues to allow the Iranian shadow banking

891
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Speaker 1: to continue. I mean, who does that? Who allows someone

892
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Speaker 1: who's firing it.

893
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 6: I thought that story was like a signal that they

894
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Speaker 6: might be ending that practice. I thought that was a

895
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Speaker 6: sign that this was going to be coming to an

896
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Speaker 6: end soon. I think certainly. I mean, listen, what's become

897
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Speaker 6: clear and not just because of the Iranian response when

898
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Speaker 6: we were getting the signals like in February and late January,

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Speaker 6: the Gulf States are really interested in these negotiations.

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Speaker 2: That was all a ruse.

901
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Speaker 6: They wanted to publicly say that they weren't supporting the war,

902
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Speaker 6: but they want the regime to go as badly as

903
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Speaker 6: I think Israel does.

904
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Speaker 1: Is it also a signal come get your money and

905
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Speaker 1: you can have a condo here.

906
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Speaker 6: Yes, I think, by the way, that's smart, as much

907
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Speaker 6: as it in some ways is unfair. Lots of bad

908
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Speaker 6: people in a Valario. Yeah, it's Macabellian, right, But if

909
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Speaker 6: you say, all right, you know, and it's what it's

910
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 6: what Kareem Sogoborg says, and I think he's right. Eighty

911
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 6: percent or corrupt twenty percent drew believers. So if you

912
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 6: can get the eighty percent of the corrupt to just

913
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Speaker 6: you know, not show up to work and take the deal,

914
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Speaker 6: then I think we have an opportunity to do something

915
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Speaker 6: truly historic. And what I don't quite understand at this

916
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 6: point is there is such It almost feels like Trump's

917
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 6: political opposition has determined that this is going to be

918
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Speaker 6: a catastrophe and a fiasco without giving it a chance,

919
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Speaker 6: and I think they're gonna it's gonna lose a lot

920
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Speaker 6: of credibility if it goes the way I certainly hope it.

921
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Speaker 1: That they're not fighting the last war. They're fighting the

922
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Speaker 1: last Fama and voyants out of the spit.

923
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Eli Lake from the pre Press. Follow him on etchit

925
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Speaker 1: Eli Lake, readam. He's publishing a lot in the Free Press.

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Speaker 1: We got to be a subscriber. Thank you, Eli, Morning

927
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Speaker 1: Glory and even Gray. So I'm gonna go Welcome to

928
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Speaker 1: the big weekend review show, and I'll always begin with

929
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Speaker 1: John Ellis when we are lucky. He is the founder

930
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Speaker 1: editor in chief of News Items, your daily compendium of

931
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Speaker 1: real news, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to separate the

932
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Speaker 1: fake and the false and the disinformation online. John, Just

933
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Speaker 1: aside from the six items you've sent me, have you

934
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Speaker 1: noticed that it's almost impossible to go through the posts

935
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Speaker 1: and figure out what's real and what's not real. During

936
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Speaker 1: a war, it's difficult. You know.

937
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Speaker 7: The fog of war is a true thing, and it's

938
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Speaker 7: probably foggier than it's ever been.

939
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Speaker 1: I think there are lots of people who are eager

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Speaker 1: to pedal narratives, and we're just very afraid of that. However,

941
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Speaker 1: I want a reverse order of what you sent me

942
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Speaker 1: and begin with Robin Wright, because she's the opposite of

943
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Speaker 1: fake news. She's been doing this as long as I've

944
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Speaker 1: been doing this, and she is writing in The New

945
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Speaker 1: Yorker this week about the Iranian home front. How would

946
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Speaker 1: you summarize her report from Tehran and region's nearby, Well.

947
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Speaker 7: Just the failure of the regime to adequately you know, service,

948
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Speaker 7: it's its population. The stunning statistic is that when she

949
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Speaker 7: first started reporting on Iran, the real was seventy to

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Speaker 7: one hundred on the dollar, so seventy if you had

951
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Speaker 7: one hundred dollars, you'd get seventy real. And now it's

952
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Speaker 7: one point seven re all to you know, to one,

953
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Speaker 7: So you know, the collapse of the currency, the difficulty,

954
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Speaker 7: you know, the electricity is intermittent, well water is intermittent.

955
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Speaker 7: It's just one disaster after another. Uh, and one imagines

956
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Speaker 7: that the people of Tehran and the people have irun

957
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Speaker 7: more generally, can hardly wait to get rid of theocracy

958
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Speaker 7: and the security state underneath it.

959
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Speaker 1: John, I understood there we are to be one point

960
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: seven million to one dollar to one. Okay, that's righteo

961
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: point one point seven million. That's remarkable. That meant now,

962
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Speaker 1: wonder the bizaries went out on strike in December. Their

963
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Speaker 1: life savings are gone.

964
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's wallpaper. I mean, it's it's not a currency,

965
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 7: it's wallpaper. So obviously there's a huge underground cash market.

966
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 7: But you know, how do you how do you come

967
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Speaker 7: to the cash market with one point seven real and

968
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Speaker 7: get a dollar back? It's you know, it's a disaster,

969
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Speaker 7: and you know, it's it's emblematic of everything else that's

970
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Speaker 7: wrong with the society and the economy underneath the society.

971
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Speaker 1: Now, we can't really point in California to power outages

972
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: because that's not an infrequent occurrence here on the West coast,

973
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: but we don't have yet water supply pottable water shortages,

974
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: And that was in your notes to me. Their water

975
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: systems are completely broken and if anyone blows up their dams,

976
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that America and are not

977
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: going to blow up their dam. But if we did,

978
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: they're done. They don't have any water.

979
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, the thing that people sort of don't

980
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 7: realize about the Middle East is that it's obviously rich

981
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 7: in hydrocarbons, but it's desperately short of water, and so

982
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 7: Riod the UAE Kuwait depend on desalinization plants for drinking water.

983
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 7: So if, for instance, the Iranians decided to do a

984
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Speaker 7: drone swarm and hit the desalination plant near Riod, then

985
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 7: Riod would have to be you know, everyone would have

986
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 7: to leave Riod because there would be no water. Same

987
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 7: is true in Tehran. If you blow up the two

988
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 7: major dam systems there would you know, there'll be a

989
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 7: huge flood obviously, and then there would be no drinking

990
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 7: water in Tehran. So you have it in this weird way.

991
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 7: We don't think that the Iranians are going to blow

992
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 7: up the desalinization plants, and we don't think the US

993
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 7: and Israel are going to blow up the dams. But

994
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,240
Speaker 7: if one or the other does, then the war gets

995
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 7: you know, it's just spirals out of control.

996
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not on your list of news items.

997
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: Story and John's news items are available. Just Google news

998
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: items and John Ellison sign up for it. Yesterday's Wall

999
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: Street Journal story on the UAE being a financial hub.

1000
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: They've taken about two hundred and fifty attacks and they

1001
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: have not yet cut off the shadow Iranian banking system

1002
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: that is in Dubai. How long do they put up

1003
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: with that?

1004
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 7: John, Apparently forever. You know, we'll deal with anyone seems

1005
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 7: to be the to be the modus operendi. And at

1006
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 7: some point one would think that the US would say

1007
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 7: knock it off, But so far no.

1008
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: All right, that's the strangest thing I've learned. Let's move

1009
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: to your second story. It's the David Axelrod theory that

1010
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: you nominate for president whomever is the opposite in personality

1011
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: of whoever is the incumbent. Now you point out it'll

1012
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: probably be a son of Trump and not really a

1013
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: son of Trump, but JD vans for another MAGA anointed candidate,

1014
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: and the Democrats will have to look for the opposite

1015
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: of that. But if you look at their front runners,

1016
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: they're not really the opposite. Gavin isn't AOC, isn't Ram

1017
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: Emmanuel might be, Josh Shapiro might be, but their front

1018
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: runners aren't that way.

1019
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: John.

1020
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 7: Well, you know, if you look at the candidates, you'll say,

1021
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 7: Gavin Newsom is better than Pete Butter Judge, and Pete

1022
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 7: Butter Judge is better than Elizabeth Warren or whatever. If

1023
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 7: you look at what the Democratic primary electorate wants in

1024
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 7: twenty twenty, they wanted someone to who could beat Trump

1025
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 7: by sixty sixty three thirty seven percent, and so they

1026
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 7: passed on Bernie Sanders, they passed on Elizabeth barn and

1027
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 7: they chose Biden, whom they didn't particularly care about, because

1028
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 7: they thought he had the best chance to beat Trump.

1029
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: I think it's likely.

1030
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 7: That the same dynamic will take place or occur in

1031
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 7: twenty twenty seven, where after three and a half years

1032
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 7: of Trump, Democrats will say primary electorate will say, look,

1033
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 7: we don't need somebody who agrees with us on every issue.

1034
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 7: We just need somebody who can get these guys out.

1035
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 7: And so that opens up I think a real opportunity

1036
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 7: for somebody Electram Emmanuel. If you read the political press,

1037
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 7: you think it's all about Gavin and this set and

1038
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 7: the other thing. But really it's the candidate who has

1039
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 7: the best chance of defeating Trump or some of Trump

1040
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 7: that is going to be the nominee.

1041
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: In my view, and I agree with you, by the way,

1042
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: rama Manuel is formidable because he is the closest thing

1043
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 1: to Clinton. I mean, he was deputy Chief of staff

1044
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: or something like that in the Clinton White House and

1045
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: then chief of staff for Obama. He's very much in

1046
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: line with sort of center left Democrats and he's a

1047
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: formidable candidate. I've had him on the program. We'll see. Now,

1048
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the AfD and German elections on Sunday.

1049
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: Germany's divided, like the United States into states. We've got

1050
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: a couple of elections coming up in Germany this weekend.

1051
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: Tells about him. Well.

1052
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 7: There are five state elections this year, three in the

1053
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 7: eastern what used to be East Germany, where the AfD

1054
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 7: the base if you will, of the AfD, And for

1055
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 7: simplicity's sake, we'll call the AfD the populist, mega like party.

1056
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 7: It's often referred to the press as the hard right party,

1057
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Speaker 7: and that's not you know, that's not inaccurate. The key

1058
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 7: thing that we're looking at is whether the a FD

1059
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Speaker 7: can extend its reach, if you will, into West German states.

1060
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Speaker 7: And the one that's coming up on Sunday is Baden Wurtenberg,

1061
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Speaker 7: which is the home to Mercedes Benz and Porsche h

1062
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Speaker 7: And it is expected, based on the polling, that the

1063
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Speaker 7: AfD will double its support from the last time. That

1064
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 7: is that is an indication of the of the party's

1065
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 7: growing strength, and it is also I think the sort

1066
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Speaker 7: of last straw in preventing the a f D from

1067
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Speaker 7: participating in the federal government.

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Speaker 1: If it wins, then would you in the state election,

1069
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Speaker 1: would you expect Merts to invite them into the general government.

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Speaker 7: It's it's unclear, you know, because the Federals are off

1071
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 7: for ways right, But I think the opportunity, the ability

1072
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Speaker 7: of the German business political establishment to keep the af

1073
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 7: D out of government diminishes with each election that the

1074
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Speaker 7: AfD does well in. They're likely to finish third, maybe

1075
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Speaker 7: even second in this election, but they will have doubled

1076
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Speaker 7: their support. It seems all but certain they will have

1077
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Speaker 7: doubled their support. And you know you can't. You can't

1078
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Speaker 7: keep people out of government if they keep doing very well.

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Speaker 1: In election now, if they mean a majority less than

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Speaker 1: a minute, John, I don't get optimistic about Cuba because

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Speaker 1: I've been optimistic about Quba before. Are you an optimist

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Speaker 1: about Cuba now?

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Speaker 7: I don't think Cuba has any choice but to make

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Speaker 7: some sort of deal with the United States. Otherwise I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, I mean, they can barely keep the power on.

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Speaker 7: It's it's it's a country in full collapse, and the

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Speaker 7: only way out is to cut a deal with the

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Speaker 7: United States, invite investment, etc. So I think I'm yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm pretty optimistic.

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