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Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to this very special on the road edition of the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Mullin Show.

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Speaker 2: We are coming to you from Florida.

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Speaker 1: This morning, I spent a couple of hours at the

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Speaker 1: Jerusalem Prayer Breakfast, which is this incredible event that brings

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Speaker 1: together lots of very powerful people but also very passionate

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Speaker 1: people from all different walks of life, people from Congress,

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Speaker 1: people from Israel. I think there was maybe seventeen different

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Speaker 1: nations represented, people from all different faiths and backgrounds coming

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Speaker 1: together to stand up for what is right in the world,

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Speaker 1: to fight for everything that is good. A big focus,

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Speaker 1: of course, of this morning was talking about the situation

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Speaker 1: in Iran, and we've seen a real escalation, particularly from

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: This is brilliant news.

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Speaker 1: He is coming out hard now and we needed that

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Speaker 1: the people of Iran more than anyone, needed that reassurance

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Speaker 1: from the US President A that he was going to

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Speaker 1: support them in this phenomenally brave fight for freedom, but

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Speaker 1: b that he wasn't going to bail the Ayah toler

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Speaker 1: out like we saw with Obama and like we've seen

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Speaker 1: insinuated from other members of his regime. I actually got

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Speaker 1: up on stage and had the privilege of speaking to

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Speaker 1: this this group. It was a huge room in the

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Speaker 1: Golden Ballroom today, and I spoke about a few different things,

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Speaker 1: but at the end, this was my message regarding Iran.

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Speaker 1: A shout out to the incredible, brave, rageous freedom fighting.

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Speaker 3: People in Iran who, thank God, where you go, let

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Speaker 3: me be in.

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Speaker 1: Because we will all benefit significantly from the end of

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Speaker 1: this feeble regime.

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Speaker 3: And I'm I think miss is on cheetak and that

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Speaker 3: I have a Mara lago, But no, the ion tolerance

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Speaker 3: done my dealay.

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Speaker 2: And Trump has said he's called off.

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Speaker 4: All talks to all Iranian patriots. Keep protesting, take over

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Speaker 4: your institutions if possible, and save the name of the

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Speaker 4: killers and the abusers that are abusing you. You're being

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Speaker 4: very badly abused. If the numbers are right. Now, I

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Speaker 4: hear five different sets of numbers. I hear numbers. Look,

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Speaker 4: one death is too much, but I hear much lower numbers.

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Speaker 4: And then I hear much higher numbers. But I say,

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Speaker 4: save their names because they'll pay a very big price.

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Speaker 4: Then I've canceled all meetings with the Iranian officials until

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Speaker 4: the senseless killing of protesters.

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Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, no talks, no deals, no talks.

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Speaker 2: They are terrorists.

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Speaker 1: There is no benefit to having any kind of dialogue

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Speaker 1: anymore with them. That regime must go, It must end.

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Speaker 1: Trump then did a press conference and he was asked

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Speaker 1: what coming to the aid of the Iranian people might

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Speaker 1: look like, to which you responded.

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Speaker 5: This, You're gonna have to figure that one out of

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Speaker 5: so many.

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Speaker 1: So there's been a real escalation, not just in rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: but I think in action it's imminent. It feels like

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Speaker 1: it's imminent, and I feel like we have no choice

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Speaker 1: now in the US has no choice but to intervene militarily.

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Speaker 2: And again, this whole America first, what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: No, this is again America First, This regime is illegally there.

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Speaker 1: It has the blood of Americans on its hands, and

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Speaker 1: will have the blood of more Americans on its hands

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Speaker 1: the longer it's allowed to rain, and it has the

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Speaker 1: blood of their saying, there's different estimates, but up to

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Speaker 1: twenty thousand Iranian people over the past few days alone

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Speaker 1: could have been killed at least two thousand, two thousand,

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Speaker 1: maybe twelve thousand, possibly twenty thousand. Guys, what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: is thousands of people have already been killed for the crime,

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Speaker 1: for the sin of standing up and saying enough, we

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Speaker 1: will not live under this regime anymore.

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Speaker 2: They are so brave, they're so courageous.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we saw nothing from the Golden Globe's crew

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Speaker 1: this week, not one thing from the woke, hypocritical Hollywood

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Speaker 1: elite who would normally jump at the chance, jump at

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Speaker 1: the chance to ride on the coattails of any kind

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Speaker 1: of movement that fights against depression. But of course this

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Speaker 1: one doesn't qualify, It doesn't suit their agenda, doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: the narrative. I've got Yuval David, who is actor, media entertainer,

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Speaker 1: I mean activist. He does so many incredible things. He

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Speaker 1: comes on and exposes absolutely all of them for who

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Speaker 1: they are. We dig deep into even the likes of

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Speaker 1: George Clooney and Amal walking the red carpet. They're there,

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Speaker 1: all glamorous. Not one reporter, no one actually questioned her

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Speaker 1: on what has come to fruition since the last award

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Speaker 1: ceremony regarding her involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood. As I

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Speaker 1: say during our conversation, could you imagine if she had

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Speaker 1: had some kind of dealing, or had acted as a

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Speaker 1: lawyer for you know, some Nazi movement. There would have

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Speaker 1: been absolute shambles there to hit her up, to hold

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Speaker 1: her to account, to destroy her.

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Speaker 2: Not a peep, not a peep.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I say always and I feel like a

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Speaker 1: broken record. Make it make sense, Well, no one can,

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. My

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Speaker 1: first guest today is this incredible Guy's name is benam Taleblu.

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Speaker 1: He's from FDD and he is an expert on all

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Speaker 1: things Iran. And this is a fascinating conversation. I've just

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Speaker 1: had it, by the way, so it's fresh. It's very

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Speaker 1: fresh for you. But he makes two or three points

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Speaker 1: regarding this situation and what the US might do next

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Speaker 1: and why it matters, and the impact of it that

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard made before. Fascinating conversations. Both of these

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Speaker 1: guys you're going to love and share as well. If

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Speaker 1: you love it, please share it again. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: in studio next week. But thank you, love you, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your support. Again, a special shout out to

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Speaker 1: the incredibly courageous. Are not enough words people of Iran.

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Speaker 1: We must continue to be their voice and again for

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Speaker 1: those of you who might be thinking, oh, what's the

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Speaker 1: focus on this?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't really impact me. It does impact you.

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Speaker 1: The tentacles of this evil regime are in everything evil

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Speaker 1: in the world. You eliminate them, the world becomes eighty

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Speaker 1: percent a more pleasant space. And that is not an exaggeration.

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Speaker 1: So now let's go to my first interview. Please enjoy,

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Speaker 1: Ben and Ben Teleblue, thank you so so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me at such a crucial time. You're an expert

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Speaker 1: on all things Iran and you're the perfect person to

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Speaker 1: join us on the show.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. We really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 6: Real pleasure to be with you. Thank you, Erin.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard to keep up. It's ever evolving, it

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Speaker 1: changes by the second. Donald Trump this morning on truth

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Speaker 1: Social unbelievable. Thank goodness. We've then had a press conference

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Speaker 1: that has followed where he was asked what does this

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Speaker 1: mean essentially, and he said, you'll have to find out.

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Speaker 1: And that's regarding action in Iran.

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Speaker 2: What are you feeling? First of all, what is your reaction?

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Speaker 1: A motive, analytical from whatever perspective you like, just over

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Speaker 1: what's happened just today.

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Speaker 6: Well, emotive, I have to tell you today as a

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Speaker 6: even though we are in day seventeen and witnessing the

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Speaker 6: bravery of the Iranian population, we are in day five

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Speaker 6: of a basic nationwide internet blackout in Iran by the regime,

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Speaker 6: And if the regime is willing to endure the costs

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Speaker 6: their own equipment, it means that they're doing something. And

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Speaker 6: if passes prologue, what we know that they're doing is

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Speaker 6: violently cracking down. There are reports just this morning that

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Speaker 6: I woke up again literally my heart sank at a

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Speaker 6: minimum two k two thousand innocent Iranians killed thus far.

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Speaker 6: The upper end of that tier is twelve thousand, as

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Speaker 6: reported by Iran International just a few hours ago, based

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Speaker 6: oh my goodness, if you've seen on Telegram, Instagram and

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Speaker 6: the bodies, and goodness, pay for the bodies and pay

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Speaker 6: for the bullets. This is a regime that is really

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Speaker 6: rubbing salt in the wounds. And Iranians, as you know, Aaron,

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Speaker 6: you've been covering this for a while. You've had some

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Speaker 6: amazing guests on the show, are a very nationalistic people.

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Speaker 6: And for a nationalistic people to turn abroad and ask

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Speaker 6: this situation is. This is the most violently repressed street

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Speaker 6: this appalling. And professionally, I will say, working in the

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Speaker 6: interests in US national security, I got to tell you

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Speaker 6: a regime that defies an American president like this, that

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Speaker 6: has a bounty on his head, that talks about kidnapping

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Speaker 6: the American president and within his own term, that compares

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Speaker 6: the American president to the first bad guy, which quick

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Speaker 6: quiz for theology students, the first bad guy in the

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Speaker 6: Qurana is the Pharaoh. It's not chronological. Compares Trump to Pharaoh,

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Speaker 6: is in so many ways asking.

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Speaker 2: For it one hundred percent. And look, I hope they

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Speaker 1: And I was about to saying the nicest way possible,

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Speaker 1: but in the nastiest way possible, they deserve it. We

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Speaker 1: days into these protests regarding if you start killing people,

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Speaker 1: there will be a.

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Speaker 2: Price to pay.

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Speaker 1: We've now seen irrefutable evidence of deaths. And you say

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Speaker 1: many by this evil regime.

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Speaker 2: When does Trump need to act?

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Speaker 1: And I would say yesterday, But we feel like it's coming,

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Speaker 1: don't we. There's been a heightening of his rhetoric today.

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Speaker 6: There's absolutely been a heightening. I mean, before we got

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Speaker 6: to the truth Social post that is a very recent

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Speaker 6: press commentary. The President had helped make this round at

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Speaker 6: Iran protest qualitatively different because he had touched them in

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Speaker 6: a different way. He had pulled them in to their

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Speaker 6: kind of cultivating uncertainty, uncertainty among allies, uncertainty among adversaries,

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Speaker 6: the lead up in early January, particularly in the first

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Speaker 6: created a win beneath the wings of Iranian protesters. But

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Speaker 6: then we also we got to the point, to be

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Speaker 6: especially as we got to the Internet blackout, and especially

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Speaker 6: as of the bodies. And so if you're asking about,

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Speaker 6: you know, when should the US act, and I don't

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Speaker 6: just have to mean kinetic, you can mean to actually

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Speaker 6: care about supporting the average Runian protester, to actually care

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Speaker 6: about supporting the most pro American, the most pro Israeli

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Speaker 6: population at least you know, I told you about my background,

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Speaker 6: but also living and working in DC thirteen years with

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Speaker 6: don't come across these historical pivots that often. And if

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Speaker 2: Something's imminent.

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Speaker 6: This effective at this point? It seems like there's no alternative.

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Speaker 6: at the right possible opportunity. So instead, I say, if

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Speaker 6: there is going to be this targeting, it should be

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Speaker 6: against the apparatus of oppression. It should be against the

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Speaker 6: folks shutting off the Internet. It should be in a

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Speaker 6: very localized manner, particularly if America has intelligence, surveillance and

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Speaker 6: reconnaissance in a real time to stop those that are

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Speaker 6: moving against crowds of Iranian protesters. That will really put

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Speaker 6: win beneath their wings. I know it's hard, and I

444
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Speaker 6: know it sounds like much more of a campaign, but

445
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Speaker 6: the real art of the deal for the president is

446
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Speaker 6: how do you nest your policy of supporting Iranian protesters

447
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Speaker 6: into your larger Iran strategy. You can't have a one

448
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Speaker 6: and done that looks like it's high and mighty here

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Speaker 6: and then go back to a policy of indifference. You know,

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Speaker 6: I was somewhat lightly critical of the administration when I

451
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Speaker 6: read the National Security strategy that came out last year.

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Speaker 6: This was a national security strategy that mentioned Iran only

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Speaker 6: three times, didn't talk about the plight of the Iranian people,

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Speaker 6: didn't mention that this is the most pro American population

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Speaker 6: in that part of the world, and ultimately talked about

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Speaker 6: the Middle East as peace and prosperity instability. Whereas that

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Speaker 6: should be the goal, that's not what it is today.

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Speaker 6: How we get the peace, prosperity instability is again flipping

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Speaker 6: the script. So let's get a strategy in place that

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Speaker 6: flips the script.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point regarding the National Security strategy. And look,

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Speaker 1: China was a huge focus of that, and someone like

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Speaker 1: Elbridge Colby in an influential position administration.

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Speaker 2: That's no surprise.

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Speaker 1: And I agree, by the way, wholeheartardly with him. But

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Speaker 1: sorting out the Iranian issue significantly impacts China in a

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Speaker 1: negative way.

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Speaker 6: Amen, let me footstomp this because sometimes it looks like

469
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Speaker 6: the China stuff is where the big boys and the

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Speaker 6: strategists go, and the Iran stuff is where the softies

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Speaker 6: and the human rights people go. And it looks like

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Speaker 6: there's a difference, but I will say the biggest threats

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Speaker 6: to the Western order, to the American led order, to

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Speaker 6: the peace, prosperity and stability order in the twenty first

475
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Speaker 6: century are the four states Russia, of China, North Korea, Iram.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes you hear them talked about as the axis of aggressors,

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Speaker 6: like we do at FUD. Sometimes you hear them talk

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Speaker 6: about it the axis of authoritarian sometimes the axes of evil.

479
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Speaker 6: But it's the same thing and only one of them.

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Speaker 6: The Islamic Republic of Iran is a non nuclear power.

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Speaker 6: But up until we got to the October seventh cycle

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Speaker 6: of violence in the region, this regime was punching well

483
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Speaker 6: above its way. And now finally it's been boxed in.

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Speaker 6: It's been put in this place. It has pressure abroad,

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Speaker 6: it has pressure from domestic at home. It's failing, it's

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Speaker 6: feeling the shortcomings of its own policies. And this is

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Speaker 6: a partner of Russia and China. Now Russia and China

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Speaker 6: use and abuse it. But you know, Iran gives you know, China.

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Speaker 6: Eighty five to ninety three percent of Iranian oil exports

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Speaker 6: in this year alone go to China, So there's a

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Speaker 6: clear linkage there. Every single Iranian anti ship cruise missile

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Speaker 6: that could be used against US vessels in the Persian Gulf,

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Speaker 6: and some of them have exported to the hoofies we're

494
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Speaker 6: used in the Red Sea are Chinese in origin. The Russia.

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Speaker 6: The Chinese have supported Iran's missile program in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 6: helping them move from rockets to missiles and helping them

497
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Speaker 6: indigenously produce solid propellentant ballistic missiles. And you fast forward

498
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Speaker 6: just to you know, these days, the precursors for those

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Speaker 6: solid propellent missiles which Iran fired at Israel, which Iran

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Speaker 6: fired at American bases in the region, actually come from China.

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Speaker 6: So there is great connective tissue here and we can't

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Speaker 6: ignore this.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was a lot of focus venom on Venezuela

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Speaker 1: and the impact that would have in China, but significantly

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Speaker 1: less oil from Venezuela run's tenfold and you would know

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Speaker 1: the figure is far better than I would in terms

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Speaker 1: of the actual of the direct impact on oil for example,

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Speaker 1: China's ability to grab it because they don't get as

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Speaker 1: much from Venezuela, not even close today is what they

510
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Speaker 1: get from Iran precisely.

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Speaker 6: But if we're going to actually even look at the

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Speaker 6: way that Trump administration dealt with it, what he did

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Speaker 6: with Venezuelan tankers should be replicated with a running tankers. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know, the administration has a policy of maximum pressure.

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Speaker 6: But in September, in sorry, September, October and November of

516
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Speaker 6: last year, it was a peak record high of running

517
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Speaker 6: oil exports to China two million plus barrels a day.

518
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Speaker 6: The administration said they want to try to reduce it

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Speaker 6: to one hundred thousand, but there's a big difference between

520
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Speaker 6: two million and one hundred thousand. So if we're in

521
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Speaker 6: the business of trying to pull out the rock from

522
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Speaker 6: under them, this is the revenue that allows them to

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Speaker 6: fund the repression apparatus.

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Speaker 1: Correct, correct, Okay, final question, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: about Reza Polavi, and it would appear to me on

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Speaker 1: the whole that there is a unified base of support

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Speaker 1: for him from the Ranians on the ground they're chanting

528
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Speaker 1: his name, and from.

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Speaker 2: People who may not even be massive fans of his.

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Speaker 1: And these are people who are you know, maybe first, second,

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Speaker 1: third generation of Iranians who have fled, who say, look,

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Speaker 1: he's not perfect, but we need to come behind one

533
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Speaker 1: person that needs to be someone, and he's the rightful

534
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Speaker 1: eir et cetera, et cetera. Your thoughts on that initially,

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Speaker 1: and then then it's a two part question, why hasn't

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Speaker 1: Trump come out and really endorsed him yet that he's

537
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Speaker 1: reluctant to do so, which which I get as well.

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Speaker 1: But that's interesting too, that he's reluctant to jump behind

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Speaker 1: him and endorse him more or even meet with him.

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Speaker 2: And he may over the next day or two.

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Speaker 1: There were reports that he made today at marri Laga.

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Speaker 1: We thought it might happen when I was there this morning,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't look like that will be the case.

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Speaker 6: You know. Let me start with the second question, because actually,

545
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Speaker 6: even though it's more politic, so I feel like it's

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Speaker 6: easier whenever you're in the room with Donald Trump. And

547
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Speaker 6: this is actually a funny story. I met him once,

548
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Speaker 6: very briefly, when I was a kid in New York.

549
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Speaker 6: I was like six years old. I was using the

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Speaker 6: bathroom in Trump Tower, we were on our way to

551
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Speaker 6: Central Park to feed the ducks on a weekend, and

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Speaker 6: I knew him because I saw him on TV a bunch.

553
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Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I stuck my hand out, he says.

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Speaker 6: I met him for like five minutes. What's that?

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Speaker 2: Had you watched it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I was a kid. I went to the bathroom,

557
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Speaker 6: I came out, and then I was like wandering in

558
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Speaker 6: the lobby and I just saw this guy and this

559
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Speaker 6: black coat who I hadn't seen on TV all this time,

560
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Speaker 6: and I knew who he was, So I felt like

561
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Speaker 6: that was my first celebrity sighting as a young kid.

562
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Speaker 6: I love But even then, you know, you know his aura,

563
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Speaker 6: you know his politics. Whoever you are in the room

564
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Speaker 6: with Donald Trump, Donald Trump is the king. I think

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Speaker 6: that's quite clear. I don't think that's why he hasn't

566
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Speaker 6: met with him or anything. I think knowing his style

567
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Speaker 6: now watching Trump term one, Trump term two, I think

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Speaker 6: the president covets Flexibility's whereas president likes uncertainty. He's not

569
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Speaker 6: in the business of anointing other people with political power,

570
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Speaker 6: like those who are looking right now to see who

571
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Speaker 6: is the next generation of MAGA. He's not going to

572
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Speaker 6: anoint you. He's going to make you fight for it.

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Speaker 6: That's that's simply his style, and he's going to make

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Speaker 6: you work to earn the polical tatler.

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Speaker 1: Actually he didn't endorse, you know, the woman who won

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Speaker 1: the Peace Prize oposition.

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Speaker 2: He's being very careful in that way too.

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Speaker 6: He's very careful. But I would say there is a

579
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Speaker 6: difference with Iran and Venezuela because of the long standing

580
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Speaker 6: base of support rozabab Lavi has had as an institution

581
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Speaker 6: with or without the monarchy, just with a family name brand,

582
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Speaker 6: and then of course the fact that inside Iran people

583
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Speaker 6: have been increasingly chanting his name in his family's name.

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Speaker 6: So there is a difference. So maybe it's a matter

585
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Speaker 6: of when rather than if. But if we had to guess,

586
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 6: you know, the president covets flexibility and he's always going

587
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Speaker 6: to keep his options open. But I think it's up

588
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Speaker 6: to anybody in run in opposition to really earn that.

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Speaker 6: But I don't think we should be looking.

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Speaker 1: At the tradition, isn't it initially? And that's he's saying

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Speaker 1: that louder than anyone else, that he will the transition

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Speaker 1: and then handover.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that's one reason why he's increasingly popular.

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Speaker 6: You know, one is given the and let's be upfront,

595
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 6: the drama and sometimes the disorganization in the diaspora. One

596
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Speaker 6: can easily be disheartened about this kind of stuff, But

597
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Speaker 6: looking at the repression inside Iran, it is going to

598
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 6: be impossible to have political leadership merge. So what you

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Speaker 6: have in Iran in the waves of quote unquote leaderless protests,

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Speaker 6: are revolutionaries. Those people on the street, those people in

601
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Speaker 6: prisons are not auditioning to have a job. They are

602
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Speaker 6: trying to flee their country. So that those people, whether

603
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Speaker 6: they're in jail, whether they're in house arrest, whether they

604
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Speaker 6: had been killed, or whether they're on the street, or

605
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Speaker 6: whether they're teaching in universities, those people or their labor unions,

606
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Speaker 6: those people are revolutionaries. Those are the body, Those are

607
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Speaker 6: the masses. Those are the people who have risked everything.

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Speaker 6: But in that political environment where the regene will not

609
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Speaker 6: permit even this much political reform or political opening, it

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Speaker 6: is impossible to have a legitimate political leader have the

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Speaker 6: flexibility and the openness and the security to organize. So

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Speaker 6: they're going to meet the fate of all the past leaders.

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Speaker 6: So in this sense, I sense the internal people. I've

614
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 6: realized that it has to come from abroad. And given

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Speaker 6: the fact that he's not auditioning to be monarch, he's

616
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Speaker 6: auditioning to be a bridge to a post Islamarch republic

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Speaker 6: run and then have the people decide which direction monarchy,

618
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Speaker 6: constitutional monarchy, or even republic. Have them decide. The point

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Speaker 6: is to get the Iranian people empowered. And in the

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Speaker 6: world in which the crackdown of the regime is Islamist

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Speaker 6: and his is a softer is a more strident but

622
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Speaker 6: also softer kind of nationalism. The opposition person the opposition

623
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Speaker 6: folks that will win are the ones that can draw

624
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Speaker 6: the sharpest contrast. And how Levi here benefits immensely from

625
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Speaker 6: the past legacy, the promise of a different future, and

626
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: the contrast with the present peril, the nightmare that is

627
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Speaker 6: day to day life. And I think all of this

628
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Speaker 6: together is his success beautifully put.

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Speaker 2: I mean I would accept Donald Duck at this stage.

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Speaker 1: I think anyone other than the current mob is a

631
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Speaker 1: huge step up. But I think she is absolutely the

632
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: right choice for now. Benam, thank you so so much

633
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Speaker 1: for your incredible insights. Again, you know I've covered this

634
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Speaker 1: for a long time, but very intensely since this latest

635
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Speaker 1: wave of protests have begun, and you have said two

636
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: or three things that I haven't heard. Those points made

637
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: in that way, very powerfully done, very articulate.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. It's been a real value add and

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00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: really grateful.

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Speaker 6: For your time, pleasure. Thanks for having me. Great to

641
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Speaker 6: be with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's amazing, isn't he Such incredible insights so too you.

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Speaker 1: Val David a Hollywood star in some ways, I mean

644
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Speaker 1: we can use that term loosely as an actor entertainer.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he's more of a star than the silent

646
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Speaker 1: hypocrites that we saw at.

647
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Speaker 2: The Golden Globes Awards. So let's have a chat you,

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Speaker 2: Val David. Thank you so much for joining us here

649
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Speaker 2: on the Aaron Mullan Show.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 5: It's an honor to chat with you, and I appreciate

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Speaker 5: everything that you're doing. I wish more people would speak

653
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Speaker 5: with such more clarity, but it seems like too many

654
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Speaker 5: people speak with moral superiority.

655
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Speaker 7: Thereference such a good.

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Speaker 2: Way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: And thank you back to you, because I know a

658
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Speaker 1: lot of people in your industry and line of work

659
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Speaker 1: have the complete opposite take which is absolute insanity, which

660
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Speaker 1: takes me to the Golden globes.

661
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Speaker 2: And I need to understand.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I'm sure we're all guilty of taking

663
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Speaker 1: ourselves too seriously and being completely self indulgent. But I've

664
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Speaker 1: never seen such a wank. And I hate sorry it's

665
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Speaker 1: such a bad word, but honestly, all they're clapping themselves

666
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Speaker 1: thinking that they're saving the world when they're doing the

667
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Speaker 1: complete opposite.

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Speaker 2: Not one person.

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Speaker 1: You've ol mentioned, Iran, and I'm sorry, but the Hollywood

670
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Speaker 1: I know would clamor would would literally die to fight

671
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Speaker 1: for some kind of you know, freedom fighting cause or

672
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Speaker 1: women who are oppressed nothing crickets, what the hell?

673
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm right there with you, feeling the outrage.

674
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Speaker 5: There are three elements of my career the entertainment industry,

675
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Speaker 5: media and journalism, and political advocacy. I grew up and

676
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Speaker 5: was so active in the entertainment industry and still am,

677
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Speaker 5: and I would always see people using their platforms for

678
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Speaker 5: social justice, for human rights, using the entertainment industry and

679
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Speaker 5: their achievements as a way to focus on the world

680
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Speaker 5: at large.

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Speaker 7: But what we started to see more.

682
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Speaker 5: And more of, especially over the last decade, but definitely

683
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Speaker 5: over these last few.

684
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Speaker 7: Years is performative activism.

685
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Speaker 5: It feels so fake. It isn't genuine, and it isn't authentic.

686
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Speaker 5: And we're seeing I mean even Hannah Einbender, who man,

687
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Speaker 5: I really like the show Hacks, but I just can't

688
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: stand her as an individual anymore. She's so active with

689
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Speaker 5: artists for ceasefire and continues to speak about a ceasefire

690
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 5: even though a ceasefire was achieved on October tenth. So

691
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Speaker 5: what ceasefire is she talking about?

692
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Speaker 1: And like, I laugh, but people's lives are at stake.

693
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Speaker 1: It's not funny. I'm watching and I'm waiting for one

694
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Speaker 1: person up on stage, and I think back to Black

695
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Speaker 1: Lives Matter, the Me Too movement. Of course, you know

696
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Speaker 1: October seven should have all been about the victims of

697
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Speaker 1: October seven, not the perpetrators.

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Speaker 2: But I mean that didn't go as we had hoped

699
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Speaker 2: it would.

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Speaker 1: Not a word about millions of people in one of

701
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Speaker 1: the most oppressed countries in the world hitting the streets,

702
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Speaker 1: dying to five freedom. I mean, these are people who

703
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Speaker 1: will I made a video.

704
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Speaker 2: The other day.

705
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Speaker 1: They'll get a bloke sacked because he said to a woman,

706
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Speaker 1: nice dress he's a predator, sexual harassment, sack him, destroy

707
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Speaker 1: his life. But if someone on behalf of an Ayatola

708
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Speaker 1: kills a woman because she shows.

709
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Speaker 2: Some hair, they're like silent, no issue here.

710
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Speaker 5: And it's so hard to understand and the mind twisting

711
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 5: that they must be going through. I mean, across Iran,

712
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 5: civilians are risking their lives and being actually killed and

713
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 5: imprisoned right now as they demonstrate against clerical tyranny, and

714
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: the world is looking away. So how are these people

715
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Speaker 5: authentically calling themselves human rights activists or social justice warriors.

716
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: Protests have erupted across Iran and Iranian people in the

717
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 5: diaspora outside of Iran are also demonstrating in support of

718
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Speaker 5: the Iranian and Persian community against the Islamic Republic of Iran.

719
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Speaker 5: So where are women's rights activists, Where are the LGBT activists,

720
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Speaker 5: Where are the democracy activists?

721
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Speaker 7: Where are the freedom of religion activists? They're silent, yavel.

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Speaker 1: I'd be okay if they just kind of were okay

723
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Speaker 1: with not doing a thing for anyone, if they were

724
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Speaker 1: just like, you know what, not my thing. I'm cool,

725
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: it's good, I'm going to act and that's enough. But

726
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: the Selective outrage is what drives me insane.

727
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Speaker 2: That's what I can't handle.

728
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Speaker 5: Selective outrage is not activism, it's performance. If you're only

729
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 5: selecting outrage about a specific group, about a specific situation,

730
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Speaker 5: and not applying it to other situations, then that shows

731
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Speaker 5: that they're disingenuous. If there are no it's why people

732
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 5: keep using this cliche that I can't stand, because it's

733
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Speaker 5: painfully true.

734
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Speaker 7: No Jews, no news.

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Speaker 5: If there are no Jews involved in the situation, or

736
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Speaker 5: if Israel isn't involved, they're not speaking out about it.

737
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Speaker 5: But we also need to look at other things that

738
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Speaker 5: are at play, and that's the Red Green Alliance. The

739
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 5: Red Green Alliance, for those who might not know, is

740
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Speaker 5: the term that's used about the alliance between Islamic terror

741
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: signified with green and red, the communist, socialist Marxist movements.

742
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 5: Islamist movements have manipulated the communists and socialists to benefit

743
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Speaker 5: islam terror causes in the past, and then ultimately end

744
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 5: up destroying those communists and the far leftists.

745
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Speaker 7: That's exactly what happened in Iran. It happened in Iran.

746
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Speaker 1: It's those people that got them in and then they

747
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Speaker 1: turned and destroyed them.

748
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Speaker 2: And yet look at mam Danni in New York.

749
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Speaker 7: We're seeing it happen right now.

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Speaker 1: In the United We'll see the mayor in a strip

751
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: joint with transgender people clapping and singing, and these transgender

752
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: LGBTQ activists to thinking this is a good thing for me,

753
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Speaker 1: having no idea what's about to come.

754
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Speaker 7: And meanwhile, Mamdani has supported political leaders in Uganda, where

755
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Speaker 7: he lived, where he and his family owned properties, political

756
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Speaker 7: leaders in Uganda who openly speak out not just against

757
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 7: LGBTQ rights but against LGBTQ lives. They're criminalizing LGBTQ people

758
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Speaker 7: with death. So people really need to look closely at

759
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Speaker 7: who Ma'mdani is, the family he comes from, and what

760
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Speaker 7: he actually represents. But he's a perfect example.

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Speaker 5: Of this red group alliance of people manipulating the far

762
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Speaker 5: left because he doesn't really support.

763
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Speaker 7: The far left.

764
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Speaker 5: He's part of this manipulation propaganda machine, which is truly frightening.

765
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Speaker 5: And in the meantime, we see anti Semitism continuing to rise,

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Speaker 5: especially in the United States, which is frightening because as

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Speaker 5: an American citizen, when I recognize that Jews are only

768
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Speaker 5: two percent of the population, but account for more than

769
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Speaker 5: sixty percent of all religious and ethnic based hate crimes

770
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Speaker 5: in the United States, and in New York City, where

771
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 5: Jews are about I think it's eleven percent of the population.

772
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Speaker 5: Jews account for seventy percent of religious and hate based

773
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Speaker 5: hate crimes, so ethnic based hate crimes, I meant to say, so,

774
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Speaker 5: we need to look at exactly what is happening. And

775
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Speaker 5: even with the protests that were just happening in Q

776
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Speaker 5: gardens where people were protesting outside of synagogues in an

777
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Speaker 5: Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in Queens, where they were chanting.

778
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Speaker 7: We are Hamas, how is that allowed? How is that excused?

779
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Speaker 5: And Mum Dannie didn't respond until there was public outrage.

780
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Speaker 5: He should have responded immediately. Imagine if this was about

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Speaker 5: black people where people were chanting that they're part of

782
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Speaker 5: the KKK, or if it was about LGBTQ people, or

783
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Speaker 5: first not for a second.

784
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Speaker 1: You tell me you val Something that really struck me

785
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Speaker 1: watching the Golden Globes was George Clooney and Amal and

786
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Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself and she got a complete

787
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Speaker 1: free ride. No no journalists, no reporter, And I yelled

788
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Speaker 1: out a question, no one asked her, now you swapped

789
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Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood, which came to light her involvement with them.

790
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Speaker 1: That George Clooney set himself on a talk show recently

791
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Speaker 1: went viral. If that had been like a neo Nazi

792
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Speaker 1: group or something, and he had said, yeah, my wife

793
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Speaker 1: Ama was doing some legal work for the neo Nazis.

794
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Speaker 1: Aha like she would have been annihilated on that red

795
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Speaker 1: walking in they would have They would have smashed her,

796
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Speaker 1: not physic of course, but you know, with questions and

797
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: holding her to account nothing.

798
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Speaker 7: So what do you think that means?

799
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Speaker 5: It means that there must be nefarious movements and organizations

800
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Speaker 5: at play if she's allowed to work for the Muslim Brotherhood,

801
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 5: which she has and he admitted to. That means that

802
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 5: the Muslim Brotherhood has its own tentacles throughout the entertainment industry,

803
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 5: throughout the media world, where people are not focusing on

804
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 5: the facts and condemning things that are truly against our

805
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 5: way of life. But Aarin, for example, you're Australian. You

806
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: saw what happened in Bondai Beach.

807
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Speaker 2: You saw what hadilometer away when it happened, I heard the.

808
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 5: Gunshots, horrifying, absolutely horrifying and what we saw happening in

809
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Speaker 5: Australia before Bondai Beach allowed for something like that to happen.

810
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Speaker 7: Even in the great country of Australia, we've been seeing hate,

811
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Speaker 7: especially hate against Jews masked as anti Israel or anti

812
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Speaker 7: Zionist being allowed and being normalized. That's how these things

813
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 7: are happening. The United States is not different than or

814
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Speaker 7: we're going to face exactly what has happened in Australia.

815
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Speaker 7: In fact, a synagogue was just firebombed in Mississippi and

816
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 7: people aren't even speaking about it enough. We're going to

817
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 7: see exactly what is happening across Europe happening here in

818
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 7: our own country if we don't rise up against it.

819
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Speaker 7: And the Hollywood industry is totally being manipulated, and I

820
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 7: feel that there must be money behind it. Celebrities say

821
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Speaker 7: what they're paid to say. They work off of scripts,

822
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 7: and you notice that they're repeating a lot of the

823
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 7: same sloganeerings.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's something truly, as I said, nefarious

825
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Speaker 5: going on behind all of this.

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Speaker 1: That was my final question to you, Yvaal, was a

827
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Speaker 1: lot of these people are not I mean not dumb

828
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Speaker 1: as in, you know, I'm not saying acting is brain surgery,

829
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Speaker 1: but it's a skill set.

830
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Speaker 2: It's a talent.

831
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Speaker 1: A lot of these people tell you know, you listen

832
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Speaker 1: to them an interview and you go, Okay, they are gay,

833
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: they are engaged, they are switched on.

834
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Speaker 2: They are intelligent people.

835
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Speaker 1: So you're right, there's got to be something else here,

836
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: because they can't be that stupid.

837
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Speaker 2: Or I think you know.

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Speaker 5: Look, I am a former Democrat. I was very active

839
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 5: in the progressive and the woke movements. I've worked as

840
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: an actor and a filmmaker throughout the entertainment industry for

841
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 5: the vast majority of my life. I've been engaged with

842
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 5: these people for so long until I started to see

843
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 5: things that I just couldn't be part of anymore. And

844
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Speaker 5: I think it's something that we need to talk about,

845
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 5: which is the difference between values and identity politics. I

846
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 5: used to think identity politics was great, but you know what,

847
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: identity politics fails when people begin defining their positions by

848
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 5: who they are rather what they believe. And that's so

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 5: much of what we're seeing in the entertainment industry. I'm

850
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 5: a gay man, am I supposed to agree with the

851
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 5: entire LGBTQIA two S plus movement. No, I don't have

852
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: to just because I'm a gay man, But there are

853
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 5: so many people who believe that's the case. When I

854
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 5: was a Democrat, when I was left leaning, when I

855
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 5: was progressive, and when I was much more active in

856
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 5: the entertainment industry, I also felt I don't have to

857
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 5: just agree with what the mass majority are saying. I

858
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 5: need to focus on what my values are. And that's

859
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 5: something that I fear we're losing, not just in the

860
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 5: entertainment industry but across the United States.

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Speaker 7: We need to focus on values based political debates, ideas, laws, outcomes,

862
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Speaker 7: and not just identity. I am part of this group,

863
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 7: so I must believe exactly what the group belief.

864
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Speaker 2: By the way, two people in your community the same

865
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Speaker 2: as you know. I'm a conservative woman.

866
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Speaker 1: My little brother's gay, and here's as conservative as I

867
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Speaker 1: am in the ways that matter the economy, national security, defense.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 1: The thought that he should, you know, think a certain

870
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Speaker 1: way because of his sexuality is usterilly ridiculous, and it's

871
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: something that those on the left would normally think is abhorrent.

872
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's insane that freedom speech, right, It's insane Aaron

873
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 5: that freedom of speech is now considered a conservative value.

874
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: That might do me. That might do me.

875
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: So what's your prediction, Well, what will we say next

876
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: year's Golden globes?

877
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: What will these bunch of.

878
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: Narcissistic, self serving hypocrites shoving our face next year?

879
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: Do you think what kind of movement will they adopt?

880
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 5: Gosh, you make me sigh, because I have to admit something.

881
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 5: I'm very short term pessimistic, but I'm long term optimistic.

882
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 5: I don't think things are going to get better in

883
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: the short term, but I do believe in a better

884
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 5: future long term. I think that what's going to happen

885
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 5: is more people are going to realize this not just

886
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 5: hypocrisy and not just the double standards and the fake,

887
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: inauthentic people in the entertainment industry.

888
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 7: We're going to see the silent majority not being so

889
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 7: silent anymore.

890
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 5: When people are directly affected by by the terrorist movements,

891
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 5: by terrorist acts, by the movements and political and social

892
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 5: movements that are trying to tear our democracy apart, when

893
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 5: they are going to be more affected, they're going to

894
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 5: rise up. And that means that this silent majority audience

895
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 5: base is going to want something different than the far

896
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 5: left progressive voices. We already are hearing more conservatives wanting

897
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 5: to be represented. We're seeing Jews in Hollywood starting to

898
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 5: rise up and create our own organizations. In fact, I'm

899
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 5: involved in one called the Brigade, where we're trying to

900
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 5: help each other, making sure that we are properly represented

901
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 5: and that we are representing ourselves and not that people

902
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 5: are speaking about us. And yet we're also battling against

903
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 5: people who are Jewish, who are far left, who have

904
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 5: no connection to their Jewish identity, religion, philosophy, ethnicity, or

905
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: to Israel and are just following what they think is

906
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 5: the more popular hashtag and are now taking a stance

907
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: against our own people.

908
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 7: Well, I speak out as oh and I call them coppos.

909
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 5: They're coppos. They're speaking out against the Jewish people and

910
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: people will come for them eventually as.

911
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.

912
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: And they think it will get them liked and accepted.

913
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Speaker 1: It actually doesn't, and so then they just annoy both sides.

914
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, I think, you know, as someone who

915
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: who puts herself out there just and doesn't require any

916
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: thanks whatsoever, no one has asked me to do this.

917
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: I do this because it's the right thing to do,

918
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: and because, you know, I go to bed at night

919
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: knowing I'm on the.

920
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: Right side of history.

921
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: But there is a little part of me when I

922
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: do it, and when I scroll through my death threats

923
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 1: and the ones aimed at my child, and I see

924
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: some of the Jewish people in America on the left

925
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: who go against everything that is decent and good and

926
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: their own people, I do kind of go, what.

927
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: Am I doing? Like what am I doing?

928
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: If you're going to hurt the cause and destroy yourself

929
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: and your people, Like what am I doing?

930
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 5: But that once again shows that we need to be

931
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 5: able to speak out even again our own people, our

932
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 5: own communities, when they're doing something wrong. I'm a proud American.

933
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Speaker 5: I will speak out against Democrats or Republicans if I

934
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 5: think they're doing something wrong.

935
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Speaker 7: I'm a proud you.

936
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: I will condemn as I have Jewish people, or people

937
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: who are half Jewish, or people who pretend to be Jewish,

938
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 5: or whatever the situation is, if they're.

939
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 7: Doing something wrong.

940
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: I'm also an Israeli citizen, and there are Israeli politicians

941
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 5: who I very much like, and there are Israeli politicians

942
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 5: who I don't like, because I believe in democracy. I

943
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: believe in being able to focus on truth, on facts,

944
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: on values and saying just as you said, Knowing that

945
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 5: I'm doing something to be on the right side of

946
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 5: history is so important. I've learned that people either like

947
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 5: me or they don't. I used to be a people pleaser.

948
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna please everybody anymore. You know that as well.

949
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 5: You don't please everybody. There are people who love you

950
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 5: and there are people who hate you. And I'm just

951
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: accepting that when you are taking a stand for what

952
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 5: you know is right, you will experience the same thing.

953
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 7: And that's why I absolutely adore you.

954
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm right back at you, and I'm so glad I

955
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: got to have you on and a little trick that I.

956
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 2: Mean, not that I look really at anything anymore.

957
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm too old and tired to go through hate comments.

958
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: But when I do see them, I have a quick

959
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: look at who they cheer for, and their hate for

960
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: me is such a privilege. Gosh, it feels good when

961
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: I see who they cheer for. I go you Hating

962
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: me reassures me that I'm doing.

963
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: The right thing.

964
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 7: I mean, and people say to me a lot.

965
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 5: When I receive the death threats regularly and the insane

966
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 5: amount of hate messages on social media and y email

967
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 5: and ways other ways that people reach me. There are

968
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: people who said, oh, it means you have impact.

969
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 7: Great.

970
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 5: I'm so happy that I have impact. I wish I

971
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 5: could have impact without the death threats.

972
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 6: Yes, I think I could have.

973
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 5: Impact without my nearest and dearest being targeted as well.

974
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 5: And that means that we need more people to rise up,

975
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 5: not just to speak about what is right, but to

976
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 5: do something. More people need to join you, to join me,

977
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 5: to not thank us. I mean you mentioned it earlier.

978
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 5: And when I'm thanked for my efforts and my work

979
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 5: in politics and in media and being outspoken, I say,

980
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 5: don't thank me, join me.

981
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 7: We need more people to rise it.

982
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: I have never heard that.

983
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: I always say to people, don't you know that's so lovely,

984
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: but it's insane.

985
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: You should have to thank me.

986
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. It should be mainstream and common. Don't thank me.

987
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: Join me? Is so powerful.

988
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: And I'm going to steal that from you and potentially

989
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: give you credit, but maybe not all the time.

990
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 7: Potentially give me credit.

991
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 6: You know what.

992
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 7: I'll take that potential. I live for potential.

993
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 2: We work in TV, in the media, I don't give credit.

994
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: It's not what we do.

995
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes you got the credit, sometimes you don't. It's just

996
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: like the photo credit for all my photographer friends. Sometimes

997
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, their photos are all over the place.

998
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 5: They're like, that was actually my photo. I was like,

999
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: where's your photo credit? We get it next time.

1000
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 2: You're amazing again.

1001
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm I was about to thank you for using your voice,

1002
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: but I can because I am joining you, so I'm

1003
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: allowed to thank you and thanks for everything you do.

1004
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 7: Thank you for everything you do.

1005
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 5: I will take that thanks and I will give it

1006
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 5: to you as well, because you're doing the work, you're

1007
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 5: doing the deeds, and you're putting yourself out there, and

1008
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 5: I really wish more people would rise up with it.

1009
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 7: Shouldn't even be brave.

1010
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: It shouldn't be considered brave and courageous to say what.

1011
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: Is right controversial.

1012
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: Like you know, someone said to me, oh, you know,

1013
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: some some magazine cover in Australia, like you know, took

1014
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: me off social media because it was they said, it's

1015
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: just a.

1016
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: Bit too controversial. You're a bit too controversial at the moment.

1017
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: And I went, name one thing I've ever said that

1018
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: it's controversial. I condemned terrorism, and I stand up for

1019
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: innocent lives. Show me one thing I've ever said or

1020
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: done that they can't. It's insanity.

1021
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: But anyway, we can go around in circle.

1022
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 5: When people are in conversation or in debates with me,

1023
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 5: either live on the news or when I'm on these

1024
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 5: panels on stage at different events, or even in interpersonal conversations,

1025
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 5: when they use the line oh to try to end

1026
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 5: a conversation by saying, oh, well, it's complicated or this

1027
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: is too controversial, I actually always respond with the question

1028
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 5: and say, oh, what makes it complicated for you? What

1029
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 5: makes it controversial for you to continue the conversation, Because again,

1030
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 5: that's about democracy. Democracy is not the absence of conflict.

1031
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 5: It's the management of conflict. And it's conflict that only

1032
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 5: becomes dangerous when when it shifts from political disagreements to

1033
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 5: questions of identity and belonging. I believe everybody has a

1034
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 5: seat at the table. Unless they're trying to erase or

1035
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 5: murder somebody else at the table, then they shouldn't be

1036
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 5: at the table.

1037
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 7: They're not invited to, isn't it. It's a pretty low

1038
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 7: bar will suck.

1039
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: In which case you're not, but everyone else come on down,

1040
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: so lowbar you well, David, thank you again for everything.

1041
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on the show.

1042
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 7: Thank you my pleasure.

1043
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: Well there you go.

1044
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: Hey, I mean no surprises, none of us expected any

1045
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: more from these Hollywood types, but still it would be nice,

1046
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: nice to be pleasantly surprised.

1047
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1048
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: That is it for us here at the Erin Mullin Show,

1049
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: coming to you from Florida. I'm here for the IAC

1050
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: event over the next few days, so I'll bring you

1051
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: our weekend special episode that we bring you each week.

1052
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: I'll have an interview with someone from this event that

1053
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: will come to you over the weekend. Of course, any

1054
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: other breaking news, particularly if the US does act in Iran,

1055
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: god willing, and I think they will because I think

1056
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: Trump's gone too far with the rhetoric now not to act.

1057
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: We'll bring that to you, of course, on all our

1058
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: platforms YouTube, Instagram, X LinkedIn, Facebook, wherever you can find it,

1059
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: it will be there. I love you all, Thank you

1060
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: so much for your support. Stay tuned, like, share, subscribe.

1061
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: All those other different things, and I.

1062
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: Will see you well very shortly, probably in the next

1063
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: few hours because I have a feeling something is imminent.

1064
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Speaker 2: Love your

1065
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Speaker 3: Out