1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to a special episode of the Sean McDowell podcast. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: You will not see this on YouTube. You will not 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: hear this on the Think Biblically podcast. But I want 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: to bring on my friends Scott Lindsey and Scott. We've 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: been friends, I think since the late nineties, and I 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: want to talk about something I love and you love, 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: which is studying the Bible. Now everybody talks about in 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Christian circles you should study the Bible, but there's reasons 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: that we don't, and as a result, we don't experience 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: the transformation that comes with this. So at the end, 11 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: I do want people to know that I'm gonna offer them, 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna help me offer to them a significant discount 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: on Logos Bible software. And I want people to know 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: this is something I use every single morning. I mean now, 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: and then I don't every morning. I mean, if I 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: miss it, I like mourn and I regret it like 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: day it. I couldn't study the Bible for whatever reason, 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: but I've been using this for three decades and it's transformative. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: And so Scott, thanks for coming on. Super pummed to 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: have you. It's been over three decades. We've been friends man. 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, good to be here, Good to see you. I 22 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: was bummed I missed you. You're in my neck of 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: the woods a couple of weeks ago, but I went 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: travel schedule didn't permit, and I didn't get to beat 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: you in bucket golf. 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: But there we go. 27 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: We'll Oh, don't get me started. Don't get me started. Well, 28 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: let me ask Let me ask you this. Amazing I've 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: never actually asked you this. People ask me all the time. 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: How did I start? And why am I an apologist? 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: And I have a story of that for another time. 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: But why have you spent three decades plus your life 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 1: focusing on teaching Christians to study the Bible? 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, obviously, in hindsight, I see the Lord's leading. 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: But I joined Logos because I needed a job. 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: As kids, we're just going. 37 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: To be ron Really, I appreciate it, honestly. 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: No. I was in the military, got out, took a 39 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: ministry position, walked right into a church split getting ready 40 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: to exp lowed carnage everywhere. And my dad had retired 41 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: to Whidby Island, Washington, and said, Scott, get out because 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: I was gonna have to pick a side here soon. 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: And my Dad's like, don't pick aside, just leave. It 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: was like, well, Dad, I don't have a job. So 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: Grace graciously sent us a U haul check and we 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: left town and moved to Widby Island and lo and behold, Sean, 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: there's this little startup called Logos in this little town 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: on an island. 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: What year was this? What year? 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: This was ninety seven, ninety seven, ninety seven. So I 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: showed up that Monday morning. There were about twenty of 52 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: us at that time in a converted barn, and I 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: need a job, and they weren't hiring. But thankfully I 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: found favor with the sales manager at the time and 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: he said, I have never done this, but come back 56 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: tomorrow and we'll figure something out. And got the job at. 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: Six dollars an hour, whoa, whoa, And. 58 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: But hey, it's gonna help pay rent, right, So you know, 59 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: my wife had to do daycare for a season and 60 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: just just hunkered down and started working at Logos. And yeah, 61 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: I can't believe twenty nine years this year I got 62 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 2: the greatest job, if you will, I think, on the planet, 63 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: because I get to work with you and you know, 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: many people helping them write, and you know, lead ministries 65 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: and preach and pastor. But I would say the part 66 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: of it that I like the most, and really rather 67 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: recently over the last two three years, is seeing just 68 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: the average Joe get excited about studying the Bible for 69 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: him or herself. So so Logos was created for ministry initially, 70 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: but now I think we've created a tool that really 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: can benefit anybody who wants to dig deep. 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. And by the way, I 73 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: won't mention names, but you send me texts all the 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: time of like NFL quarterbacks. You're teaching the Bible too, 75 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: and famous singers. I won't mention. I think I live 76 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: a charm life, but I'm like Man Scott is living 77 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: the dream, which is fun that you get to do 78 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: that and teach people. But I remember it must have 79 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: been ninety eight or ninety nine I graduated from Biola. 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: I was traveling with my dad as his intern. You 81 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: came to the presentation at the Josh McDowell Ministry in 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: front of like ten or twelve of our key leadership. 83 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: My dad stands up on a chair in front of everybody, 84 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: and it starts going, this is what I was looking 85 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: for my whole life. I can't believe this what we 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: can do around the world. Do you remember that, like 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: it was like this dramatic he was blown away at 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: the technology. Do I remember that correctly or correct? No? 89 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: You do? And I that's when your dad became one 90 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: of my favorite people on the planet, you know. And 91 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: you know, I think the next time I was with him, 92 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: we brought him a Logos denim jean jacket, like we 93 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: had a custom made for him, right, so that he 94 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: could advertise for us as he travels the globe. 95 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: But I do remember that. 96 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: And what's funny about that, Sean, is Logos wasn't that 97 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: great back then. 98 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, listen, it. 99 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: Was, right, I mean back it's time. 100 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to me, it's like somebody getting on a 101 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: chair shouting about how awesome Pong was compared to you know, 102 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: video games today. But you know, and that's just been 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: part of the great testimony of our journey is just 104 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: how we've continue to grow as the needs of the 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: church have grown and technology changes and advancements, and and yeah, 106 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: it's amazing. And again I know what's coming. You know, 107 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm in these meetings with our development team and I'm like, wow, 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: this is just absolutely insane that we live in an 109 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: age today that have tools to help us really understand 110 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: scripture in such a deep way. 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: Now, this question we can talk about for a long time, 112 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: but just give me your quick take on why is 113 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: it so important for Christians to study the Bible? 114 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about that, and it just reminded 115 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: me of Genesis three where the enemy says, did God 116 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: actually say? Right? And I think he's still saying that, 117 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: you know, and I think it's important we know what 118 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: he says. And as we know, Eve's response where she 119 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: missed it was she got part of it right, Hey, 120 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: you shall not eat, but then she added you can't touch. 121 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: And I think there's the danger when the enemy knows 122 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: that you don't really know what you're talking about. Oh, 123 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: I have an opportunity here. 124 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: And we live today. 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: There's so much input now we live you know, social media. 126 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: We just got all these amplified voices and noise, and 127 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: I think it's actually more important. I mean, don't get 128 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 2: me wrong, reading scripture and study has been important from 129 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: but I just think there's so many dangers today that 130 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: just weren't there, you. 131 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 3: Know, even ten years ago. 132 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: Right, So, and I mean that that's a that's probably 133 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: more of an enemy cultural answer. 134 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: You know. 135 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: I think it's important because in studying scripture, we we 136 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: see the character of God, we understand the scripture, we 137 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: understand God's will for our lives. 138 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: I mean that only comes from being in the book, 139 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: you know. 140 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: And then obviously there's benefits to us personally, such as 141 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: direction and discernment and wisdom and you know, all those things. 142 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know one of my favorite quotes, I've 143 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: not been able to verify this. Maybe you can, but 144 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 2: i've been I've heard it was Martin Luther that said, 145 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: if you put me in a cave with a Bible 146 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: for ten years, I can tell you what's going on. 147 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: I love that statement because there's nothing new under the sun, 148 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: nothing's happening today that God did not know what was 149 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: going to happen, and so I just think it's super 150 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: important obviously to be in his word, especially with the 151 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: craziness of today. 152 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: Well, I hope he not only in his cave has 153 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: the word that is the light the scriptures, but physical light. 154 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: We're visiting these caves outside of Hume National Park called 155 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: Boyden Cave, and our guide told me this I assume 156 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: is truth. I think he said within like a couple 157 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: of weeks. If you don't have light, you go blind temporarily. 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: So let's hope he has physical light and spiritual light. 159 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: This person in a cave that wants to know what's 160 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: going on with that said, it's interesting that you said 161 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: Adam was tempted an eve because Satan twisted God's word. 162 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Romans five compares to contrast Jesus with Adam. The first 163 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: Adam sin brought death to all. Jesus didn't sin and 164 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: was righteous and brings life for the possibility of life 165 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: to all. Well, in Jesus's temptation to look for Satan 166 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: comes up and he wants him to throw himself down 167 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: and show his drama, eat this bread and worship him. 168 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: And what does Jesus do. He quotes dour on me 169 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: eight three, draw on me six thirteen, and drawing me 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: six sixteen, the word of God to resist the power 171 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: and lies of Satan. So it's just it's powerful, like 172 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: you said, with so many lies coming through. Uh. I'd 173 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: love your answer on this one. What do you think 174 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: it takes for people to genuinely cultivate a love for scripture? 175 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Because I think Honestly, there's a lot of Christians who 176 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: read it out of duty. They read it. They might 177 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: still kind of have a works based salvation where I'm 178 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: doing my good thing today and checking off the box. 179 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: What does it take in your mind and your experience, 180 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: because I have a couple thoughts I'll give to cultivate 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: a love for the Word of God. 182 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's say first repentance, and I mean I'm. 183 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: Speaking to myself. 184 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: That I think we just prioritize way too many other 185 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: things in our lives. So just acknowledging that I need 186 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: to be in the Word more. I need to fellowship 187 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: with the Father, and He's given me the main means 188 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: in which to do that is His Word. And then 189 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: commitment diligence. I think being part of a Bible study 190 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: is essential. I don't know about you. I accountability is 191 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: good for Scott. So you know, Wednesday night Bible study 192 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: with a group of guys that that's amazing and honestly 193 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: and a bit of an investment, you know, it does obviously, 194 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: got to buy a Bible, got to get a good Bible. 195 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: And there's you know resources books maybe that you have written, 196 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: or commentaries or Bible dictionaries. But I think you can 197 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: see when someone's commit to anything, whether it be a 198 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: hobby or whatever, it's like it's where their time and 199 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: effort money goes. And so you know, I think it's 200 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: the same thing with getting serious about Bible study. But 201 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: the dividends are just so incredible. I mean, no habit 202 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: produces a greater impact on our lives than being in 203 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: God's word. And I think I've shared this in the 204 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: live streams that we've done. But you know, there's been 205 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: massive studies that have shown the effects of the Bible. 206 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: But what's interesting is there something about four when they've 207 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: looked at you know, six hundred thousand people participate in 208 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: this massive study and one, two, three times a week 209 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: really had a negligible effect. 210 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: For some reason, four was the number you got to 211 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: get to. 212 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: In a week's you know, time to see the benefits 213 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: of anger dropping, feeling lonely dropping, addiction to pornography drops 214 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: like sixty percent, and then there's there's positives sharing your 215 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: faith skyrockets to two hundred percent. 216 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: Why because you're full of God's truth. 217 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 2: You know, you're you're ready to go, you know, And 218 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 2: so anyway, there's a great quote. Uh, that I love 219 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: to share when I speak at conferences. But basically, the 220 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: heart cannot love what the mind does not know, right, 221 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: And so I want to love the Lord more. I 222 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: want to love his people more. I want to love 223 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: my wife more. I want to love my kids more. 224 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 2: And the way I love my wife more is what 225 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: I I know her. I mean, I ask her questions. 226 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 2: I find out what she desires and what she loves, 227 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: and you know, and I want to I want to 228 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: give those things. 229 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: So but I think the same. 230 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: Thing with the Lord, right that when we know his mind, 231 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: which is revealed in scripture, I think we fall more 232 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: in love with him his church. Uh. And it's just 233 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: it's evidenced. I could tell somebody that's in the Word 234 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: on a consistent basis and one that visits it's it 235 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: like once a month, right. 236 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: All right? How many days a week? Then do I 237 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: study it? No, I'm kidding. You don't have to answer that. 238 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't even venture. Guess I got to agree with 239 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: everything you said, but I absolutely love and I didn't 240 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: expect it. I don't know why that you started with repentance, 241 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: Because what keeps us not only from building in the discipline, 242 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: there's a difference to somebody who goes to work out 243 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: because they're just obligated to, and somebody you know, just 244 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: like actually enjoys it. I want to be the kind 245 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: of person who enjoys studying the scriptures. What keeps us 246 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: away from it arguably lies keep us away, but also 247 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: our arrogance and our pride and repenting reminds us that 248 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: we need God and how rich his grace is. You know, 249 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: for me, Scott, when I think about the time that 250 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: I was fired up to study the Bible, and in 251 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: my life has just been a slow progress of learning 252 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: and getting older and falling in love with the Scripture more. 253 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: I hope in five years I look back and go, man, 254 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: when I did that interview, Scott, what was I talking about? 255 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: I love the scriptures even more. I really hope that 256 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: that's where I'm at. But a couple of things for 257 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: me is number one, when I spend time with people 258 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: who love God's word and they're not preachy about it, 259 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: they just speak it because you know, the words flow 260 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: forth from the heart, I'm like, Wow, this person really 261 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: loves the Scripture. So someone sit, you're gonna I want 262 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the discipline, but I don't. I just don't know that. 263 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: I love the Bible well repent, but then second, find 264 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: people who genuinely love it and spend time with them 265 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: and have them rub off on you. The Bible has 266 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: a lot to say about people affect us. The second 267 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: thing is I saw this debate between this Christian atheist 268 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: about the Gospel of John and the deity of Jesus, 269 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: and I listened to it. I was like, you know what, 270 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: I can't answer some of those questions. And I was 271 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of ashamed of myself. I was like, coold night, 272 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: how do I answer that? And it motivated me and 273 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: it bothered me. And the other thing is the times 274 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: that I've suffered and I've gone through physical pain. It 275 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: just strips away these other things that are not as 276 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: important as I thought and drives me back to God's word. 277 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: Those are some of the things in my life. And 278 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: so what are the big reasons? Like really quickly lissies out, 279 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: because I really want to get to people the resource 280 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: you have to offer. But why do people not read 281 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: their ribals? 282 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: Well? 283 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: I want to take the repentance thing one step further. 284 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: I think it's a personal repent saying Lord, I'm sorry, 285 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: I need to be any word. But I also think 286 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: that and listen Geisler. Geisler used to say this, and 287 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: you and I had the privilege of traveling with him 288 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: for a summer or two. Right, yeah, And you know, 289 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: one of the things I loved about Geyser was the 290 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: emphasized that believers must submit to scripture. And I think 291 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: that's another missing part. 292 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: Is I think we kind of know. I think even non. 293 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: Believers know that if they engage with God's Holy Word, 294 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: repentance is required. You're gonna He's gonna reveal things to 295 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: you about yourself that you're just gonna have to deal with, right, And. 296 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: I think that's a problem. 297 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: I think we live in a culture that I determine 298 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: what's right for me and all that, and that's not 299 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: what scripture reveals to us. That we are deprave, we 300 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: are sinners, We need a savior. So I think the 301 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: repentance thing is twofold one. My personal repentance that I 302 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: need to be in the scripture more fellowshiping with my father. 303 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: But I think also as I dig, you know, you know, 304 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: and that's a scary thing. And I think we'll talk 305 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: about this with AI today. Is there's a thing in 306 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: AI that is very prevalent called state of mind, and 307 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: it's this idea that it's trying to tickle your ears. 308 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: It's trying to affirm you. You're amazing, Sean, You're amazing Scott. 309 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: And not that I think Sean's amazing. I'm just saying 310 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: there's many times that I go to the Scripture and 311 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that. I really don't want 312 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: to hear that right now because I wasn't kind to 313 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: my wife. 314 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: Or your flesh wants to hear it, but your heart 315 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: does not want to hear it. We know we need 316 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: that transformation. 317 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 318 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: And so I don't remember who it was, but it 319 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: was a great analogy during a sermon where the person 320 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: like stood on a Bible and it was offensive, like, ah, 321 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, but he says, this is kind of the 322 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: way we roll, and then he picked the scripture up 323 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: and put it above his head and said, this is 324 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: really the posture that we should have with regards to 325 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: God's word. And it's just stuck in my head forever, right, 326 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: and I repent of the times that I'm standing going 327 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: I'm not budgeting on this thing, right, but I say 328 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: there's many barriers repentance. Obviously. I think another one is 329 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: I would say most people that are Christians, they want 330 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: to be in the word, they want to study the word, 331 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: they want to understand the word. 332 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: I think one of the barriers is they. 333 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Don't know the right questions to ask right and and 334 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: that's why if you have the opportunity to go to 335 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: seminary or whatever, that's one of the things they teach 336 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: you is the difference between I said Jesus and exa Jesus, 337 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: like asking the right texts questions like cultural, historical, exegetical. 338 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 2: I think a major problem right now is everybody immediately 339 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: goes into scripture and says, what does this. 340 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: Mean for me? 341 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: You know? And there's that that's part of it, right, 342 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 2: because that's where repentance comes in. Okay, God, what are 343 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: you saying to me here? 344 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: And to. 345 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: Yes? Yes. 346 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: But the difference is as we as we may ex 347 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: Jesus is God is the mirror, His truth is the mirror. 348 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: Isa Jesus, I'm the mirror, like I'm just trying to 349 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: see myself and every passage I read, and I think 350 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: that's abused, but I think that's a cultural thing today too. 351 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: I think that's the way that most people look at 352 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: life period is me, me, me, me, me me. You know, 353 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: it's the difference in theology or theology. But and you know, 354 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: and this is one of the things that excites me 355 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: about what we're doing, is we're trying to provide tools 356 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: that make that more accessible. Right, So, if you're in 357 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: le let's just say Hebrew seven, and you're like mel 358 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: Keseldeck and all. I mean, there's a lot of stuff 359 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: going on, You're like, what you know, if you're a 360 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: new believer, you don't know how to navigate that, right, 361 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't know how to read this. 362 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm still not sure who gets directly I keep going right. 363 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: Right or or you know, genealogies. How many of us 364 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: just skip that go ah, doesn't meanything to me. But 365 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: if you had the right question. You know, recently, Sean, 366 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: I was in numbers who in there? No one has 367 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: ever showed up at their men's Bible study when it's 368 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: time to decide what book we're going to study next. 369 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: Say hey, let's study numbers no. One, right, And I 370 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 3: was in numbers one. 371 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: And there's this massive father of Father, you know all that, 372 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 2: and I just skipped it. But then all of a sudden, 373 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: because of this amazing too that I have called logos, 374 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: it applied a filter that helped me see things. What 375 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: I didn't notice was that the levites were excluded from that. 376 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 2: I never saw that before Logosa. 377 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 3: Hey did you know this? 378 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: And I started digging and it was like, wow, the 379 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 2: thing that I've just skipped every time I hit this 380 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: in my yearly Bible reading plan, there was some gold 381 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: in there because I was asking. 382 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: The right questions. Right. Love it, But I think that's 383 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: a barrier. 384 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: I also think time, you know, I'll hear people say 385 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: all the time, you know, I don't have enough time, 386 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: And I don't take that much anymore either, because if 387 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: you have the right tool, the heavy lifting can be 388 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: done so that you can dig pretty quickly, honestly. 389 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: But we also did jumping, and we also make time 390 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: for what's important exactly right. That's the fact. And so 391 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: we're going to get into the tool that you're talking about. 392 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: I want people know there's a few tools I used. 393 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: Here's some that are free, and here's some that will 394 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: cost you in different ways. One is I listen to 395 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: a podcasts called The Listener's commentary. It is some of 396 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: the best Bible teaching. There's an app for it, there's 397 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: a podcast for it. I love it and I listen 398 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: to it on double speed when I drive and I 399 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: work out the person who creates a John as a 400 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: friend of mine. That's wonderful. The other thing I love 401 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: to do is I read books in their entirety, Scott. 402 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: I read dozens of times this summer, the entire Gospel John, 403 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: the entire Gospel of Luke, the entire Book of Romans. 404 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: I love to read books in their entirety. And when 405 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: I do that, I want a physical Bible in front 406 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: of me. That's how I want to read it. But 407 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: then the third tool that I wanted to talk about 408 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: is Logos Bible software. You first gave this to me, 409 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: and like the I guess, I don't know, ninety seven, 410 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: ninety eight whatever. I've been using it ever since, and 411 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm really careful what I promote on my different channels, 412 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: And this is one of the few things that I 413 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: will personally promote because I use it and I believe 414 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: in it, and my family uses it. Tell us a 415 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: lot little bit about what it is. Now people can't 416 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: see it, so you are going to go on YouTube 417 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: in a few weeks, probably early September, and we will 418 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: do a visual demo with this and take questions. But 419 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: explain to us as best you can why this resource 420 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: is so cool and important for people who don't have 421 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: a ton of time but want to get into God's word. 422 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: All right, so correction, I get the correct Sean McDowell today. 423 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: How wonderful is that? 424 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: Uh, logos? We just called it logos? 425 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: Now, did I call it logos? 426 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: Bible software? 427 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: Bible software? 428 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like old school. I don't know what I 429 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: was talking. 430 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 2: Man said that that's the reason why you have gray 431 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 2: hair and I have great hair. 432 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: Right, it's how far back I go. 433 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're dating ourselves. Yeah, we're just it's called logos, 434 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: and the reason is because we have apps now you know, Android, 435 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: iPhone tablets, We even have a webout. So Logos is 436 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: the official name of the company and what we do. 437 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, we've been doing this now for I think 438 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: we're going on thirty five years. Wow, amazing story of 439 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: the founder was at Microsoft in its infancy. So the 440 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: family's from Jersey. But the reason we're headquartered out here 441 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: in the Seattle area was, you know, that that opportunity. 442 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: He was one of the youngest program managers ever at 443 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: Microsoft at seventeen years old. Created logos because he thought, Man, 444 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: I think computers are going to really help the church 445 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: study the Bible. Had the meeting with the leadership of 446 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: Microsoft and they saw this thing study the Bible and 447 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: said get out of here. So he said, Hey, I'm 448 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: going to do this. And it's just been an amazing journey. 449 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: There's been many different versions, if you will, But what's 450 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 2: significantly changed in about the last year or so is 451 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: we have put AI in logos, and then the other 452 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 2: thing is we've gone to subscription. So you know, when 453 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: I did many many events with you and your dad 454 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: over the years, you know, there were many moments where 455 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 2: I don't know if people stood on their chairs when 456 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: they saw logos, but there was excitement in the room 457 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: for sure, until they saw the price and then they 458 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: you know, grasped their chest like, oh, I didn't know 459 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 2: that was a thousand dollars or you know, and it's 460 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: because you're buying a massive library, right and books cost money. 461 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 2: But we've gone a subscription now, so for less than 462 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 2: what it costs to stream movies, you know, I'm not 463 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: trying to be convicting, but I'm trying to be convicting. 464 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: You know, honestly, Sean, we don't need eight ways to 465 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: stream a movie, right, just get rid of one of them. 466 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: And you have logos now, and it's an amazing tool. 467 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 2: And I would say why it's so amazing today is 468 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 2: because of AI. But we have a different philosophy of 469 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: how we're going to incorporate logos AI for Bible study. 470 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: Number one is we're not connecting you to the internet. 471 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: I think that was the initial reaction, you know when 472 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: we announced, hey we put AI in logos. Woo, Sean, 473 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: that was not a fun week at logos. You know, 474 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: a lot of angry phone calls, voicemails about Mark of 475 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 2: the Beast and all kinds of stuff. 476 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: So these are not people who had read the Bible 477 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: four times a week to make those angry calls. Just 478 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: for the record, but keep going, right. 479 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. 480 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: So we're not connecting you to the Internet. We're only 481 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: wrapping AI around the scripture commentaries, Bible dictionaries and such. 482 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: The other thing is hallucinations, where we know this is 483 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: a big problem in AI, where not only is it 484 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: hallucinating answers. But another big problem is it's hallucinating the sources. 485 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: So it'll confidently, because it always is very confident, give 486 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: you an answer cited quote unquote, and then you go 487 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 2: to find out that the book doesn't exist, the person 488 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: doesn't exist, that periodical doesn't exist. 489 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: So this is a big problem. 490 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: Logos will always give you the page number. So when 491 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: we say, hey, this is what the trinity is, and 492 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: we cite Bible dictionaries, you click, the Bible Dictionary opens, 493 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: you can read further. 494 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: So big difference there. And then theory of mine. 495 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 2: I've already talked about that, but we're not trying to 496 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: figure you out. We're really hoping to help you figure 497 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: out what the scripture says, what scholarship says. So we 498 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: again we have a very philosophical difference on the use 499 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 2: of AI. 500 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 3: But it's amazing. 501 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a tool in Logos now called study assistant. 502 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: You and I were talking about it before we started that. 503 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 2: I've I had a couple people tell me last week 504 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: I was in Dallas, said Scott, if the only thing 505 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: Logos did was that new study assistant tool, It's the 506 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 2: best thing I've ever used for Bible study because it's 507 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 2: it's a AI feature where you have a conversation with logos, 508 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: so you can you can ask things about doctrine. You 509 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: can say, hey, what's this Greek word in this passage 510 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: and tell me what it means in my Greek dictionaries, 511 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: and very practical use. Like you know, I've got a 512 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 2: ton of kids, as you know, Sean, and one of 513 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 2: my kids asked the other day, hey, why does. 514 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 3: God allow evil? Hey, that's a great question. 515 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: I went in a study assistant, but I said, hey, how 516 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: would I develop a Bible study for my family on 517 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: this idea? And it brought in Geisler and a little C. S. 518 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: Lewis. I mean, I call this Sean. 519 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: AI with guardrails, and I tell you what we need 520 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: guardrails in the church right now. And I'll have people, 521 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 2: Sean say, hey, Scott, you know all the others aren't 522 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: as bad as you're trying to say they are if you. 523 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: Train them right. 524 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: You can train chat GBT over time to give you 525 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: the better answers. And I kind of don't like that answer, Sean, 526 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: because to me, it's like the person that says pit 527 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: bulls make great family pets I'm like, well, I've read 528 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: the stats. I don't know if I agree with that, 529 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: because what will they say right after that is. 530 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 3: You train it right? 531 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I got a ton of grandkids 532 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: and I'm just not going to risk that, right, And 533 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: I think people are risking risking their walk with the 534 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: Lord and understanding scripture by rolling the dice with AI 535 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: that was not designed to study the Bible. 536 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: I just got some something. 537 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: You know, people are always sending me these latest. 538 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: Uh AI and church studies, and uh I just got this. 539 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna start incorporating it into when I speak. But Christians, 540 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: now more than any other group in the United States, 541 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: are are used, are trusting AI at a level that's 542 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: not common even for non believers. You know what, whatever 543 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: you want to study, right, law, medical, whatever, they're they're 544 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: kind of concerned with, again how much the Church is 545 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: using AI. 546 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: But they're not questioning it. 547 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: It's just whatever was that first answer, I'm taking it 548 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: as well, that's the truth, and again not understanding about 549 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: hallucinations and state of mind that's concerning, right, that Christians 550 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: are trusting. Oh and then the other study, part of 551 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: the study said they trust AI now more than their pastor. 552 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: Like WHOA, that's oh my god, that's a that's a 553 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: red flag too. So yeah, it's an amazing tool. 554 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: And then the other part of logos I love is 555 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: called fact book, and that's where I go study, and 556 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: that's where all those lenses get applied to the text, 557 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: where it helps me see, you know, the text exegetically 558 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: and culturally and historically applications there. We're not against that 559 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 2: per se, but we want you to do your homework right. 560 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: If Paul wrote this letter, well, first of all, who's Paul? 561 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: Why did he write it? Who? 562 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 3: Who is this church? You know? 563 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: In ephesis and you know all those things that really 564 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: really really help you understand scripture in a new and 565 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: better light in my opinion. 566 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Here here's how I use it for the most part 567 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: is I'd love to get up almost every morning. It's 568 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: kind of my favorite part of the day if I 569 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: could get to bed a decent hour, wake up at five, 570 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: sometimes hour hour and a half. If I can. Sometimes 571 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: it's like fifteen minutes and I just got done studying Hebrews. 572 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: So if I had time, I'd read all thirteen chapters 573 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: of Hebrews all. Oftentimes I don't so I'll read one 574 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: chapter three or four times, and then I write my 575 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: own summary of it. What's the heart of Hebrews Chapter 576 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: seven like you said, or five or two? I write 577 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: it myself and then I pull up factbook or I 578 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: pull up Study Assistant, and it actually lists questions for 579 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: the text, and then I ask myself those questions, go 580 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: can I answer this from the text? And then I 581 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: look at the answers from the scholars. I don't want 582 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: to see their answer first. I want to think about it, 583 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: and that helps me process do I understand it? And 584 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: sometimes if I need more, like you said, I type 585 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: back in and I get more information from AI. And 586 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: then I actually take my summary and I throw it 587 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: into study sitts and I say, you give me a summary, 588 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: and then I just compare and contrast to oh what 589 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: did I miss? What should I add to this? What 590 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: should I take out? It's like I'm kind of having 591 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: a conversation with it and interacting and teaching myself. That's 592 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: how I use it. My wife has a Bible study, 593 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: not to mention like other research projects I'm doing. That's 594 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: just like on a daily basis. But my wife has 595 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: a Bible study with women probably twenty to twenty five years, 596 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: every other week during the school year, and they buy 597 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: these somewhat expensive books over the year, you know, fifteen 598 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: twenty bucks. And I said, you know, this year, here's 599 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: an idea for you. We have logos. Just take one 600 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: chapter of the Bible, and if you plug in a 601 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: fat book, it'll give you five, ten, twelve questions. And 602 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: some are content questions, some are discussion questions, some are 603 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: application questions. And all you do is read the chapter 604 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: out loud, talk about it together. What'd you see, what'd 605 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: you learn? What do you think it really means? And 606 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: then pull those questions up, discuss them together, and then 607 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,239 Speaker 1: you have an authority you can go back to and 608 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: you've got an hour, hour and a half of deep, 609 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: rich conversation about any chapter in the Bible. Right there 610 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: is a remarkable resource. So that is two ways that 611 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: the mcdowells use logos. I wish, Scott, I can I 612 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: tell you how pained I am to see some of 613 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: these new technologies come out and think, if I had 614 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: this one I did my doctoral research, it would have 615 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: saved me. I don't hundreds of hours. I don't know 616 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: if that's an exaggeration or not but dozens and dozens 617 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: of hours. So from an academic level to a popular level, 618 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: I use it all the time. Last question, I'll ask you, 619 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: what if somebody goes sean, I don't have an hour 620 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: in the morning like you, I'm busy. If somebody's like, 621 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: I got fifteen minutes, and they're like, why shouldn't I 622 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: just open up and read a chapter of the Bible 623 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: or do the Bible in a year? What would logos 624 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: do in like fifteen to twenty minutes daily that would 625 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: help somebody significantly. 626 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, I want to say one word, as mobile, So 627 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: I understand busy, I travel, I got ten kids, I 628 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: got fourteen grand kids. My life crazy, right, But that's 629 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: one of the great benefits of logo is now it's 630 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 2: mobile as well, and it synchronizes, So I understand. I 631 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: don't you know, I know tomorrow I got so many meetings. 632 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 2: But I would dare say, anybody listening there there you 633 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 2: can find those little five minute pockets here and there 634 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: during the day, and that's and having logos on your iPhone, 635 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: your Android, whatever, it's just absolutely amazing. And it synchronizes, 636 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: so you can start a factbook, start a study assistant 637 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: where you're digging into let's say the ecumenical councils or whatever, right, 638 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: and then as soon as you get home, it's already 639 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: on your computer, ready for you to continue ask more 640 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: questions and so on and so forth. So that there's a 641 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: plus and a positive is that Logos is mobile. But yeah, 642 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: it's just as you said, commitment. You know, it's interesting 643 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: you were saying that as you grow in your knowledge 644 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: and understand you fall more in love with the scripture. 645 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 2: Like like, I'm I'm and I'm hoping at ninety I'm 646 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: still excited about studying the Bible song. But my favorite 647 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 2: phone call this year, Sean, was a few months ago. 648 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: I get a phone call and I could tell it's 649 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: an older gentleman on the other line, and and he said, 650 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: would you be willing to come out to my house? 651 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, I've been hearing a lot about this new 652 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: logos and I want to study better. And and I said, 653 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 2: excuse me, who is this? And it was doctor Bruce. 654 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 3: Walke, And I'm like what really? 655 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: Like yeah, I was like, I was like, Bruce, we're 656 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: on a first name basis now shun you know. I 657 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 2: was like, you could call it, call it good you know, 658 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: your your Old Testament theologies like the Seminal Old Testament. 659 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 3: You know, like, it was amazing that someone. 660 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 2: In his nineties still wants to study better, still wants 661 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: to be more efficient, still thanks for the few years 662 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: the Lord gives him on this earth. He wants to 663 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: write and teach. And I was so convicted about that 664 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 2: because you know, again, I hope in my nineties, if 665 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 2: Lord willing I live to my nineties, that I'm still 666 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: as passionate as doctor. 667 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: Walke was today to learn more. 668 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: And anyway, that's super cool. By the way, the mobile 669 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: is huge. It's amazing how often we just pick out 670 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: our phones and check Instagram and check other things. I'll 671 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: do that now and then, but I've actually started pulling 672 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: out my phone and I have a list of versus 673 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: that I'm memorizing. I'm like, I'm just spent five minutes 674 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: meditating on this passage. Sometimes I'll pull out and I 675 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: can just study where I left off if I wasn't 676 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: able to finish with logos. So that mobile piece is 677 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: super super cool. All right, we could talk about this forever, 678 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: but I'm really careful what ministries I work with and 679 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: I promote and Logos is one of them because I've 680 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: used it for thirty years, have known you about thirty years, 681 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: and I really want our people to get into it. 682 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: So one of the things that Logos has offered is 683 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: a sixty day free trial. It's streaming and the code 684 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: they gave me is logos dot com forward slash McDowell. 685 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: So if you just go correct me if I'm just 686 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: go to logos dot com and then you can sign 687 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: up for free trial. Drop in there logos dot com 688 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: ford slash McDowell or where they just type that in 689 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: and then it'll come out. Walk us through that process 690 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: where people will find that. 691 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the landing page for your ministries is logos 692 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: dot com forward slash McDowell, and there you can pick one. 693 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 3: Of your flavors. 694 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: There's three three options if you're a Premium, Pro and 695 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: Max and there's only a five dollars difference between the 696 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 2: three five dollars increment, so ten, fifteen, twenty. And so 697 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 2: here's the thing though, even at at that level, you're 698 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: getting AI wrapped around scripture wrapped around your study, but 699 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 2: you're also getting a library because again we're not connecting 700 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: you to the internet. So if we don't give you 701 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 2: a substantial library of commentaries Bible dictionaries. So and Sean, 702 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: I don't think there's a better deal on the planet. 703 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 2: Where Again, for ten dollars a month, if that's the 704 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 2: level you want, you get a four thousand dollars theological 705 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: library and AI. Because AI is extremely expensive to develop. 706 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: Oh in itself, it is. 707 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: I've been at events and I've talked about logos, and 708 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: people thought I dropped a zero off, Like, Noah, what 709 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like, you get thousands of dollars 710 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 2: worth of books and AI for nine Is you sure it's. 711 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,919 Speaker 3: Not ninety nine a month. I'm like, no, No, it's 712 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 3: really ten bucks a month. 713 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: Now, the level I would push or recommend would probably 714 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 2: the middle. It's called pro only because it doubles the 715 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: size of your library. And so when you go and 716 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 2: have a conversation and study assistant or factbook, you're just 717 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 2: getting more access to more commentaries, more Bible dictionaries. 718 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 719 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 3: And again, five. 720 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 2: Dollars for four thousand dollars more resources, I think that's 721 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 2: a great deal. But yeah, try it out todays for free. 722 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 2: And again, if someone's listening and decides to try it, out. 723 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 2: You and I are going to get together sometime here 724 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 2: soon and do like a full hour and that way 725 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: you could see all the very you know, not all 726 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 2: that would be a ten hour of our stream. But yeah, 727 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 2: we're gonna do a good hour where I'm going to 728 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 2: point out the real major features in logos reading so then. 729 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: People can see it. Well, yeah, we'll do that over 730 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: on YouTube for now. Go check it out. It's logos 731 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: dot com forward slash McDowell. And one of the things 732 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: I checked it before I agreed to partner with the 733 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: guys was like, is it easy to cancel this if 734 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: somebody doesn't want it? And the answer is yes. I 735 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: subscribed to The New York recently. Love the publication. I 736 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: tried to read stuff all over the place, and I 737 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: can't figure out how to cancel. It's driving me nuts. 738 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: I don't have time for this. You guys are not 739 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: trying to pull one over on people that would violate 740 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: the truth of scripture. Ironically enough, try it out. It's 741 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: you've got nothing to lose. Take out your phone and 742 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: put a reminder in thirty or sixty days, just say hey, 743 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: check you I want this, and you will, which others 744 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: do not do. You'll send that out as a reminder 745 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: do you want this or not? Try it. I've used it, 746 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: like I said, about three decades and plan on using 747 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: it for a long time. Scott, thanks for your time, 748 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for friendship, Thanks to your ministry. This is great. 749 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: I really hope people will follow up and check it out. 750 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: Thanks my friend. 751 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 3: Good to see you. Thanks. 752 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: All right, great, that was perfect. 753 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: All right? 754 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 3: How long would