1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey Doe, thanks for joining. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: Me, Hi, thank you for having me Michael. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Grammy winning singer Dough as our guest today. She has 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: a new album coming out August of twenty eighth. It's 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: called Shiloh. I think this is your third solo album, 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: of course many of us first and new of you 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: from the group Forever Jones. This album has been described 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: as a deeply personal project forritrigid and faith, family worship, 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: and generational legacy. Dell, you said that Shiloh is your 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: most personal album. Yet what do you mean by that 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: and what your goal is with this album? 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: Okay, so I want to use another word other than personal. 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: It is personal because my family was in it. It 14 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: has this The context right behind the album is all 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: about the generational transfer of eternal wealth, do you know 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: what I mean? Which can only be found through the 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Gospel and in knowing Jesus and a lot of people 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: at the top. I've never reached the top of financial success, 19 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: but they will always say or talk about how you 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: never really feel like you've arrived. There's always something else 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: that you just have to have, and so that content, 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: contentment can only really be found in Christ. And you know, 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 2: we do have this command, the great commission to spread 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: the gospel, and so someone had to make sure that 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: I understood who Jesus was someone. I was someone's posterity. 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: You were someone's posterity at some point in time, and 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: so the album kind of just encapsulates the importance of that. 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: That's the context in which the album was written and created. 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: And so that's why it was very personal because the 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: other albums captured a few years of my life, and 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: this album is my life, this is my upbringing. My 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: mom is singing on it with me, So I guess 33 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,639 Speaker 2: personal is the right word. 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: So you brought your mom back for this album, but 35 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: to sing. 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: With you, I did ten. In the videos, my three 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: of my siblings, they're singing behind me too. That is awesome. 38 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: That is awesome. 39 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the style for this You said that 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Shiloh Blee's gospel worship, CCM R and B just about 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: everything that I liked there. Those are the sounds you 42 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: grew up with. How did you pick the styles for 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: this album? 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: I just I went into every writing room I knew 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: melodically because I'm a musician, so I'm able to kind 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: of lead if I need to melodically musically in the 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: direction I want to go. But I wanted to give 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: them freedom. I was looking back to a time when 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: songs did not have a bridge, or maybe they didn't 50 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: even have a vamp, because we didn't even know what 51 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: a vamp was, or even a pre course. You know. 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: It was like we would sing the first verse, we 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: would sing the course, and then it'd be like Okay, 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: y'all got it, and we would sing the first verse again, 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: and then we would go out on that course, you 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: know what I mean. So that's the kind of that's 57 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: how I set up, you know. So the stage for 58 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: writing sessions was like, Hey, I don't want to give 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: a song more than it needs. I just wanted to 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: be birthed and have everything that it needs to thrive 61 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: and live a long life and not pick it apart 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: too much. But this is the revelation that I'm going with. 63 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: So I would lay all of that out, I'd read 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: the scripture and and we would just kind of see 65 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: what came of it. I think the one song that 66 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: like fully encapsulates that whole message is know your Name. 67 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because that was gonna I 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: was gonna ask you about Know your Name. I'm assuming 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: that track will be on the album. I think you 70 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: just said it. It is because it's out right now, people 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: going to steal it right out. What what's what's the 72 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: story behind that behind that song? 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I was in a write with Dia Viola, 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: Anthony Brown and David Spencer and I just just we 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: were talking about the revelation of posterity or just the 76 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: word posterity, and I was like, man, I don't think 77 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: we have a song yet. That just says what I'm 78 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: trying to say. And I think I think that what 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say doesn't need to be insinuated. I 80 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: think we need to make a statement. So, you know, 81 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: I was like, let's just I want something a little upbeat, 82 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: but let's try to dig into this thought and see 83 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: what comes in. And they every writer, everyone whose hands 84 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: are on this project, every photographer, they committed and submitted 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: to that the process that I was in as a 86 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: as a writer and artist, and I'm so grateful for that. 87 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: It's very I guess it's partially about identity though, in 88 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: terms of your identity and Christ and knowing who Christ is. 89 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: Is that the central theme of the song. 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: Well, the theme of the song is, if it's up 91 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: to me, every generation's gonna know your name. I'm going 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: to make sure I pass it on, and you need 93 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: to make sure you pass it on. But that does start. 94 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: That begins with identity and you understanding that as well. 95 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: And then to that. 96 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: I know you and your husband welcome your first child 97 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: into the world two years ag. 98 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you. 99 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: How has that changed your your music, if at all? 100 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: How is it impacted your faith? 101 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: I mean, do you have kids? 102 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, That's why I'm asking you. 103 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: Know, it's so crazy. You know what I tell people, 104 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: and I'm a new parent, so I'm not preachy at all. 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: I don't know nothing. But what I tell people is 106 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: it is the sharpest corner you ever turn in your life, 107 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: because you're there, and that's it. You're there. Even marriage, 108 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: you're interute, you're engaging with an adult, so you're you're 109 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: slowly turned. You're communicating three things. You know what I mean. 110 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 2: It's hard, but that person's talking back to you. You know, 111 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: they're an adult. It's so motherhood is the sharpest corner. 112 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: I think that I have had to have more grace 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: than myself than I ever thought I would need to, 114 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: and I'm okay with that. I'm also in my late thirties. 115 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: I just turned thirty eight, so I'm a late thirties mom. 116 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: So there are some things that are kind of settled 117 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: within me that I've learned along the way that I've 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: been able to implement into motherhood that I would not 119 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: have had those tools in my twenties. I was not 120 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: that confident and settled within myself. And you know what, 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: when you're in your late thirties, you got friends who'd 122 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: been through some things and they're telling you this what 123 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: you need to do. So I have a lot of 124 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 2: good advice. 125 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: You know what it did for me, though, is that it 126 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: deepen my understanding of God's love for us. 127 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if. 128 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if that impact if if that had 129 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: the same impact on you in terms of just understanding 130 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: the love of Scripture. It's not as great as God's love, 131 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: but it gives you a sense of it. 132 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Do you agree with that? Yeah, I think I'm understanding 133 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: how he sees me when I'm trying and striving and 134 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 2: don't understand, and He's like, I'm just trying to keep 135 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: you alive. Here. You know, I'm because that's where I'm 136 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: at in my relationship with my child right now. He's 137 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: so brave, he wants to do everything, and so I'm 138 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: creating boundaries for him because boundaries are important. I'm teaching 139 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: him to conquer his own will, which is obedience, because 140 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: obedience is important. Because I know you know, that's probably 141 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: more so the part that I'm understanding. 142 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I also impacts your understanding. I'm disciplined as well, 143 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: Like like you're saying, I completely understand that. Let's switch 144 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: let's switch tracks here. You released a song with I 145 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: think a John Baptiste Black Boy that relieved a lot 146 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: of attention. I really enjoyed that. Tell me the story 147 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: behind that song in terms of the message, and you 148 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: know what were your goals with that? Yeah? 149 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: I mean culturally, within black culture, we have songs for 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: our women and you know, just celebrating skin tone and hair. 151 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Hair is a whole conversation for women in our culture. 152 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: But there aren't songs that they give capacity and room 153 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: for Black men that are saying like, hey, the world, 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: we're here for you, we love you, and you can 155 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: be vulnerable. You don't always have to be strong. We 156 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: have room and space for the full spectrum of your emotions. 157 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: And so twenty twenty was really hard for America, for 158 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 2: the black community, for the church. It was just a 159 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: really tough time. And it was an open wound for me. 160 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: And as you know, as my heart, you know, revealed wounds, 161 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 2: what came out was that song because I started to 162 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: realize maybe some of the pressures are the things that 163 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: my father, who's a good man, my brothers, my uncles, 164 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 2: both of my grandfathers, dealt with in life. And the 165 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: stories that I heard them tell. My grandfather who came 166 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: from Louisiana, the South, and stories that he never told 167 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: us but our mother shared with us that they walked through. 168 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: And so I wrote that song for them. I wasn't 169 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: married and I didn't have any kids, but I knew 170 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: even if I married outside of my race that they 171 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: were still going to be a black boy if I 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: had a son, because they had me and them, And 173 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: so I just thought, well, well, if I ever, if 174 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: I ever get to love a black boy, this this 175 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: is how I'm gonna love him. I'm gonna make sure 176 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: he knows he's covered. And that's how that song came. 177 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny because I got a black 178 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: boy husband and a black boy son now. And I 179 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: think this is what I said it because I sang 180 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: this song at Carnegie Hall recently for Juneteenth. I realized 181 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 2: that even our thoughts and hearts desires that we don't 182 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: we're not saying God give me this. We're just like God, 183 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: if this ever happens. This is how I want to 184 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: steward it. This Sometimes they raise up to Heaven as 185 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: incense in prayers and become answered prayers, you know. And 186 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: so I thought it was really cool that my first 187 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: child was a boy. 188 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned Juneteenth. Tell me what Juneteenth means to you. 189 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: I know historically what it means. And I wish I 190 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: had you own before Juneteenth so we could talk about 191 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: this more in terms of leading him to it. But yeah, 192 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: tell me about I know historically what it means in 193 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: terms of how how I got it started leaving Texas, 194 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: But what does it mean to you? 195 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want to go into the history 196 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: of it. But I just think that it's important to 197 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: celebrate huge milestones. And it's not just for black people, 198 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: it's for America. Yeah, Like we stopped enslaving other human beings, 199 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: We need to celebrate that forever and make a big 200 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: deal out of it. So I love that it is 201 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: a holiday. I love that African Americans are allowed to 202 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: take a day off of work to celebrate it. And 203 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: so it was just really Yeah, that's the way that 204 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: it carries for me. It will forever be a part 205 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: of America's beautiful overcoming story. Yeah, you need to make 206 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: a big deal out of it. And so I'm so 207 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: honored to be at Carnegie Hall for Gentineas and the event. 208 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: The event was so surrounding financial literacy in the black 209 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: community and exposure and just having really beautiful conversations, and 210 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: that too is a part of a freedom as well. 211 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: So I thought that was great. 212 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's so plegicized nowadays, but I've always viewed Juneteenth. Asked, 213 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: what you said a celebration of something great in America 214 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: like this, This is a good thing that we're celebrating, 215 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: don't Why don't we have to argue about everything? Oh yeah, anyway, 216 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: that's it. That's my soapbox. Yeah, what were your emotions 217 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: when you want a Grammy? Because you had been nominated 218 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: several times and you finally won a Grammy, I forgot 219 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: what year it was, but it was for the I'd 220 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Leave Out Seat, a contemporary Christian album in the year 221 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: What were your emotions when you want that? 222 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it was twenty twenty five because Shilah 223 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: was born in the Grammys our in February. So that's 224 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: that's all the reason I know that I'm not good 225 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: with dayting. And I had to go back to work 226 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: because I had taken what do you call it me, 227 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: you take a leave of maternity, leave maternally, my own 228 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: kind of matney leave as an artist, you know, And 229 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: so I couldn't get to the Grammy. So I had 230 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: to start working in and so I was in I 231 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: was actually in La and I was singing somewhere, but 232 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: I was in the airport when I my phone started 233 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 2: going off. I didn't see any of the phone calls 234 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: because I lost my milk bag. It was running ro 235 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: out looking for the milk bag. And then I get 236 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: in line to go talk to the didn't and I 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: see from the manager, my manager at the time. I 238 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: cried tears and I was like, oh my god, I 239 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 2: think that we won. And then you just see this 240 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: slew of red numbers of people that called you and 241 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: text ustages, and I got on a FaceTime with everybody, 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 2: and it wasn't a category that I didn't think I 243 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: even stood a chance. And you know, I thought I 244 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 2: stood a chance in the other category I was nominated in. 245 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: I think everybody felt that way. So we were just 246 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: really grateful. Like I was stunned, completely stunned. My husband 247 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 2: threw a party for me because I didn't really know 248 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: how to receive that. It was like, yeah, crazy time. 249 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Well, were you at a point like when you've been 250 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: I'm assuming when you've been nominating several times and have 251 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: but one, you get to a point where you just 252 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: don't want to make yourself excited about the possibility. Is 253 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: that kind of what's going on with you in your mind? 254 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say this. I think it's too like age right, 255 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: Like I was talking to another good friend of mine. 256 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: We're both experiencing a lot of the same successes around 257 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: the same age, and you have to intentionally lean into 258 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: thankfulness in your late thirties when you've been working so 259 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: hard to get to a point because you realize that 260 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 2: certain wins are amazing. But it doesn't mean that the 261 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 2: work stops. It doesn't mean that you you know, what 262 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: I mean. You got to keep going, you got to 263 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: keep trucking. It doesn't a Grammy doesn't mean that you're 264 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: financially set for the rest of your life. And so 265 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: it was the whole thing of like, I'm I'm Postpartu'm 266 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: holding my greatest accomplishment in my arms while receiving my 267 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: greatest musical accomplishment. Do you know what I mean? I'm 268 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: in the airport with my baby. And so I really 269 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: had to force myself to be like, hey, I know, 270 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: you got real life going on here, or my husband, Really, 271 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: you got real life going on here. But this is 272 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: a big deal. I see the Grammys in every award 273 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: as our Employee of the Year award, and I think 274 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: they're important for your peers to say, good job, even 275 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: working so hard, we see you and we like your art. 276 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it's hard because because of where you 277 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: are in that point in your life. 278 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, where's the award? Is it all this shelf somewhere? 279 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, my husband's got it set up on like when 280 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: people walk in they see it. 281 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: All right, I figured he would be Yeah, good for him, 282 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: Good for him. Let's circle back to the album Shiloh, 283 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: which is really to releases August twenty eighth. Tell me 284 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: how you want this album to impact the faith of listeners. 285 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: Well, I understand that worship leaders in righte put words 286 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: in people's mouths. And I think also at this stage 287 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: in my life and my walk with God, I carry 288 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: a greater conviction and way like I've been leaning worship 289 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: my whole life, but now I'm in this place where 290 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm questioning everything and like, Okay, where does that line 291 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: up with scripture? 292 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: Why? 293 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: Why have I done this my whole life? So I 294 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: understand the way to putting words in people's mouth in 295 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: a congregational setting, or I'm beginning to understand. And so 296 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: I knew when I woke up with a song. I 297 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: started waking up and with songs and like realizing, Oh, 298 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: I think what's coming to me are songs for congregational settings. 299 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: I think that's my next album. I'm kind of a 300 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: go with the flow tick, and so I just tried 301 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: to create a landing pad for all of those songs. 302 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: And so I want the words that I put in 303 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: people's mouths to line up with God's heart for the church. 304 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: And I started my prayer, was God, what do you 305 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: want to hear us say to you in a congregational setting, 306 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: and that was the prayer that I and into every 307 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: writing set with. So I hope that it creates strong 308 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: foundational conversations between just to the Body in Christ and 309 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: congregational setting an a. 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