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Speaker 2: Gen Z, oddly enough, is the least sexually active generation.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the most open to Jesus. They're the most

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Speaker 2: isolated and alone, but they're most interconnected, so they're like

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Speaker 2: a walking, talking paradox in real time.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm going to be sitting down with my friend Ruslan.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of him. He's a Christian YouTuber, he's

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Speaker 1: an author, he's an apologist, and he's also a rapper.

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Speaker 1: But Ruslan has become a significant voice in our culture today,

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Speaker 1: especially among younger people. So Ruslan and I are going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about a lot of things, including all

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Speaker 1: of this controversy and debating online, as well as what

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Speaker 1: he believes are signs of his spiritual awakening among younger people,

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Speaker 1: especially gen Z. We're also going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: this brand new book, Godly Ambition. I think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: love this interview. One last thing, you're going to discover

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Speaker 1: what my rap name would be if I decided to

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Speaker 1: be a rapper, which I don't see happening, but it's

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Speaker 1: good to know I have a name in case I

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Speaker 1: decide to do it. So let's dive in for this

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Speaker 1: interview with Ruslan, Well, Ruslan, great to be with you again.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you again. This is our third

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Speaker 2: or fourth time.

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Speaker 1: Probably is. Yeah, So usually i'd come your way, So

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Speaker 1: things are coming my way. You know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I've ever heard a complete version of how you

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Speaker 1: came to faith in Christ. Tell us how that came about?

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Speaker 2: All right. So I'm ethnically Armenian, yes, my mother, what

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Speaker 1: A minion, you'd be an Armenian.

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Speaker 2: Armenian, Armenian Armenian. Yeah, sometimes I am, depending on the

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Speaker 2: time of day.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the top and if.

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Speaker 2: SATs my Calvinist friends all the time. And I originally

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Speaker 2: from the Azaba John, which is just east of our

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Speaker 2: You were born born there, my goodness. And I came

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Speaker 2: to the United States because of the pilgrims of Baku

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. There's half a million Armenians that

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Speaker 2: were ethnically cleansed from Baku and we came to the

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Speaker 2: So nineteen ninety one we come here, my mother and

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Speaker 2: my father split up, Communism falls, her family gets left behind.

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Speaker 2: She goes into a dark spiral of alcoholism, and depression

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Speaker 2: and toxic men. I slide into nineties gangster rap, which

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how familiar you are with Doctor Dre's

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Speaker 2: no identity, no understanding, and it hadn't really heard about

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Speaker 2: to me getting arrested and getting in trouble and all

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Speaker 2: this crazy things.

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Speaker 1: Did you get arrested for?

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Speaker 2: It is like an episode of World's Dumbest Criminals. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever seen that show. We had

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Speaker 2: a gang air quotes. We had a gang, and we

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Speaker 2: that was here from Detroit, and it was me, the

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Speaker 2: other refugee family, and one guy. So we had a gang.

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Speaker 2: And he gets arrested, and so our bright idea was

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Speaker 1: No, you are not. You're eleven years old.

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Speaker 2: A gang, Yeah, in a gang. Air quotes in a gang,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you offline with the name of the gang

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Speaker 2: And so I'm in. I'm in the bathroom window and

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Speaker 2: We got arrested and fully arrested you, fully arrested to

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Speaker 2: They they separated us in different rooms, and I knew

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Speaker 2: if I did him with our neighbor Shari, who also

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Speaker 2: that share the gospel with me. It's like a Black

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Speaker 2: Baptist church community. They start telling me about Jesus. Wo. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they started, and not just talking about Jesus, but saying like,

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Speaker 2: you're going to do great things for the Lord. Someday

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Speaker 2: God's going to use you to reach a million.

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Speaker 1: You know, I did that passage talks about a brand

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Speaker 1: plucked out of the fire and my you know, you

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Speaker 1: know my story. We've talked before, but you know, with

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Speaker 1: it's funny. No one actually shared the gospel with me,

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Speaker 1: but I over I came to a group of Christians

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Speaker 1: talking about their faith. Her Luney Frisbee, who we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: it's just like the Lord looked at at two young

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Speaker 1: who would have ever thought that that little kid getting

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Speaker 2: I was that it was ten or eleven.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could have so easily fallen life of crime,

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Speaker 2: Make sure Rejackson. I'm still friends with her, still friends

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Speaker 2: They still sharing the gospel with me. And thankfully it

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Speaker 2: doesn't take I'm still a knucklehead. We're still breaking in

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Speaker 2: No one tells me that I'm five foot nine in

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Speaker 1: God keeps treating you and you keep going hear enough.

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Speaker 2: So I'm now like, is Jesus God? Is Jesus a God?

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Speaker 2: What about the Mormons? What about the Muslims? What about

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Speaker 2: What about the aliens? What about all this other stuff?

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Speaker 2: So I'm just confused this can be? And God continually

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Speaker 2: pursuing me. I'm working at Pizza Hut, still the best

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have all I've lost all respect for you

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Speaker 1: with food recommendation because I'll need someone They'll say this

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Speaker 1: if that's the best pizzabody, that's.

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Speaker 2: The best pizza for me. Okay, So we got I

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Speaker 1: This week, I like Taco bell still and I like

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Speaker 1: to get the Inturido Talko belt, and I can't get

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Speaker 2: So we're going to a Pizza Hut. I lie at

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Speaker 2: I'm sixteen. I get this job. I'm in the back

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Speaker 2: one day. My manager name is Barb. She's a Christian,

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Speaker 2: processing all this as Jesus God. Is Jesus a God?

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Speaker 2: So I'm sophomore year, so sixteen. I'm talking about the Mormons,

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Speaker 2: the Jehovah's witnesses. I'm basically an aryan functionally theologically, I

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Speaker 2: like Jesus the son of God, but he's not God.

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Speaker 2: And they start telling me the gospel again, and they

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Speaker 2: hand me a book and it's called The New Evidence

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Speaker 2: that Demands a Verdict by doctor joshmn Oh wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I take that book home. I read it. I

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Speaker 2: end up devouring it. I called the Jehoah's Witness girl.

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Speaker 2: I told her she's in a cult. Probably not Probably

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Speaker 2: not the wisest thing to do. And I keep going

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Speaker 2: to church, keep going to church, and then I have

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Speaker 2: and we're furnicating, and I'm in sin and I'm a mess.

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Speaker 2: And then it all culminates too. The year two thousand

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Speaker 2: and two, July fourth, I do my first public profession

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Speaker 2: at a Miles Ahead Crusade, San Diego. Of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Miles McPherson, Yeah, who I'm friends with right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: really trippy.

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Speaker 1: He's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: He's amazing guy. And that was my profession of faith

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Speaker 1: Why do you think it? I mean I actually responded

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Speaker 1: At best, they're passive and at worst they're working against it.

433
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Speaker 1: And the wife is a spiritual leader. And thank God

434
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Speaker 1: for the women stepping up to the plate and wanting

435
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Speaker 1: to do the right thing, but the wives need to

436
00:20:08,205 --> 00:20:10,884
Speaker 1: support their husbands and this as well, not undermine them.

437
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I think what you don't want to

438
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Speaker 2: do is also just outsource the spiritual development of your

439
00:20:16,445 --> 00:20:19,084
Speaker 2: wife and your children to the church. The church is amazing,

440
00:20:19,165 --> 00:20:22,045
Speaker 2: but the church is not there to re enforced Yes,

441
00:20:23,004 --> 00:20:26,484
Speaker 2: yes and uncertain Yeah, so the priest. So I would say,

442
00:20:26,524 --> 00:20:28,204
Speaker 2: you've got to be a priest and man, that may

443
00:20:28,324 --> 00:20:30,644
Speaker 2: mean going to therapy for some guys. That may mean

444
00:20:30,725 --> 00:20:33,844
Speaker 2: getting you know, confessing some sin for some guys. So

445
00:20:34,205 --> 00:20:34,844
Speaker 2: become the priest.

446
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Speaker 1: Uh.

447
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Speaker 2: Then I would say, become a provider. Yes. The scriptures

448
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Speaker 2: and press Timothy. For Timothy five says a man who

449
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Speaker 2: does not provide for the needs of his family, particular

450
00:20:46,804 --> 00:20:49,524
Speaker 2: his immediate family, is worse than another believer and is

451
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Speaker 2: denied to faith. Interesting part about that chapter is that's

452
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Speaker 2: actually in the context of caring for widows in the church,

453
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Speaker 2: and so Paul is basically saying, hey, like, the church

454
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Speaker 2: is not a welfare office where we're just gonna do

455
00:21:01,445 --> 00:21:03,604
Speaker 2: whatever we can for Everybody's saying no, No, you have

456
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Speaker 2: a hierarchy of first caring for your own family, particularly

457
00:21:06,244 --> 00:21:08,965
Speaker 2: your extended family, then your immediate family, and then the

458
00:21:09,044 --> 00:21:11,045
Speaker 2: churches to care for widows who can't care for themselves

459
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Speaker 2: and that the whole chapter is brilliant. So I would say,

460
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Speaker 2: being a provider, can you provide for a woman? Can

461
00:21:19,125 --> 00:21:20,964
Speaker 2: you provide for your kids? And I know that's difficult

462
00:21:21,004 --> 00:21:23,004
Speaker 2: in southern California, so that could be difficult. I hear

463
00:21:23,044 --> 00:21:25,364
Speaker 2: every excuse, Oh, the cost of living, the inflation, so

464
00:21:25,405 --> 00:21:27,845
Speaker 2: on and so forth. Here's what the data shows. Forbes

465
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Speaker 2: that Forbes Woman, that an article several years ago, and

466
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Speaker 2: they found out that eighty five percent of working women,

467
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Speaker 2: not Christian women, not conservative women, working women are aspiring

468
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Speaker 2: and preferring for a season when they have little kids

469
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Speaker 2: to stay home and be mobs. Wow, eighty five percent

470
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Speaker 2: of working women. Another study during COVID, they found out

471
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Speaker 2: that seventy percent of working women with kids eighteen and

472
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Speaker 2: younger would have preferred to stay home and raise their

473
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Speaker 2: kids had they been given the opportunity to. So I'm

474
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Speaker 2: not saying every woman can't work outside the home. We

475
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Speaker 2: can have for women have different giftings and entrepreneur gifts

476
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Speaker 2: and all that, but generally speaking, most women prefer a

477
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Speaker 2: season to stay home with the little ones. And I

478
00:22:07,205 --> 00:22:09,205
Speaker 2: think men need to be thinking about that, Like generally,

479
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Speaker 2: speaking of your wife is when you andres and man

480
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Speaker 2: pushing my baby. My wife has a baby nine months old.

481
00:22:14,725 --> 00:22:17,925
Speaker 2: Luke is amazing. But there's nothing like watching a mom

482
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Speaker 2: bond with a baby and to think about scurring her

483
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Speaker 2: back on to work because you're fourteen weeks of maternity

484
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Speaker 2: leave is done like that would be so heartbreaking. And

485
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Speaker 2: and a lot of women have to do this all

486
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Speaker 2: the time because men aren't thinking about, Hey, I got

487
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Speaker 2: to build my life in a way or I can

488
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Speaker 2: be a provider from them rightly, So I'll be the

489
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Speaker 2: second one. And you know, for us, we did a

490
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Speaker 2: Dave Ramsey plan. We were technically one hundred thousand dollars

491
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Speaker 2: in debt before YouTube, before music. We paid it off

492
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Speaker 2: in eighteen months, clean up our finances, and that set

493
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Speaker 2: us up for having the ability to let my wife

494
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Speaker 2: stay home when we had levive years ago.

495
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Speaker 1: So I say, yeah, provider, I'd been to your home

496
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Speaker 1: and I believe your wife homeschool. Yeah it's great. So

497
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Speaker 1: that's fantastic.

498
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Speaker 2: So number three, number three protector, I was gonna say, yeah,

499
00:23:00,885 --> 00:23:04,445
Speaker 2: you got to be both spiritually protective. So I'm responsible

500
00:23:04,484 --> 00:23:07,124
Speaker 2: on what my kids look at the iPad, I'm responsible

501
00:23:07,165 --> 00:23:09,644
Speaker 2: for the device access they have. It's ultimately on me.

502
00:23:09,725 --> 00:23:13,844
Speaker 2: I'm the protector. I'm protecting them. And that's in a

503
00:23:13,885 --> 00:23:16,205
Speaker 2: spiritual sense, that's also in a fiscal sense. Are you

504
00:23:16,445 --> 00:23:20,044
Speaker 2: competent and physically capable of protecting your family if something

505
00:23:20,084 --> 00:23:22,244
Speaker 2: were to go down? You know, I think a lot

506
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Speaker 2: of guys unfortunately. You know, seventy percent of Americans are overweight,

507
00:23:26,004 --> 00:23:27,565
Speaker 2: forty percent of morbidly obese.

508
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Speaker 1: Well, you looked at my stomach on this thud.

509
00:23:29,524 --> 00:23:30,044
Speaker 2: You look great?

510
00:23:30,165 --> 00:23:31,564
Speaker 1: No, you said, or overweight?

511
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Speaker 2: You just I did not do that. I did not

512
00:23:33,445 --> 00:23:33,604
Speaker 2: do that.

513
00:23:33,645 --> 00:23:34,004
Speaker 1: I told you.

514
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Speaker 2: I gave you a compliment. Ear last year, I look great,

515
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Speaker 2: I said, you've been working out. It looks like you've

516
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Speaker 2: been working out. You playing a lot of pickleball?

517
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Speaker 1: Huh, well, play rocketball once that week. I played pickleball

518
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Speaker 1: twice a week. It doesn't serve sound very masculine, play pickleball,

519
00:23:47,004 --> 00:23:49,564
Speaker 1: but it's actually fun. And then I also go to

520
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Speaker 1: the gym, just.

521
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Speaker 2: Slip waits and yeah, that's awesome. You know.

522
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Speaker 1: But when you're like I'm seventy three now, you know,

523
00:23:55,244 --> 00:23:58,004
Speaker 1: it's different. When you get older. At this point, you

524
00:23:58,125 --> 00:23:59,925
Speaker 1: just want to be kind of mobile. I want to

525
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Speaker 1: get up out of this chair without assistance. I want

526
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Speaker 1: to move, you know, just be able to function, yes,

527
00:24:05,965 --> 00:24:07,405
Speaker 1: and anyway, but thank you.

528
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Speaker 2: And all the data shows that like, the more you

529
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Speaker 2: spend time strength training and being active, the easier your

530
00:24:14,284 --> 00:24:16,364
Speaker 2: years are going to be. And so I often tell men,

531
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Speaker 2: you know, if you do what is easier, life will

532
00:24:18,764 --> 00:24:20,445
Speaker 2: be hard. And if you do it as hard, later

533
00:24:20,524 --> 00:24:21,484
Speaker 2: on your life will be easy.

534
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Speaker 1: Wow.

535
00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:24,565
Speaker 2: And so I'm encouraging that, Hey, do the hard thing, now,

536
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Speaker 2: pick up the heavy thing.

537
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Speaker 1: Now.

538
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Speaker 2: I got a buddy named Justin Early. He wrote a

539
00:24:29,484 --> 00:24:32,564
Speaker 2: brilliant book. It's called The Body Teaches the Soul, and

540
00:24:32,645 --> 00:24:36,965
Speaker 2: it's all about how, you know, we've collapsed our spiritual

541
00:24:37,004 --> 00:24:40,084
Speaker 2: life from our physical life. But really they're integrated. We're

542
00:24:40,125 --> 00:24:42,884
Speaker 2: integrated people, just the way Jesus was fully god fully man.

543
00:24:43,405 --> 00:24:46,244
Speaker 2: We are physical people and we're spiritual people. We don't

544
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Speaker 2: want to negate the fact that you're a physical train

545
00:24:49,405 --> 00:24:52,165
Speaker 2: your body to do hard things, pick up stuff, go, walk, move.

546
00:24:52,604 --> 00:24:54,684
Speaker 2: So I would say that that means you're a protector.

547
00:24:54,725 --> 00:24:56,925
Speaker 2: You should be competent and capable of protecting someone.

548
00:24:56,804 --> 00:24:59,764
Speaker 1: Broke into your home. It's our job to you know,

549
00:24:59,925 --> 00:25:02,685
Speaker 1: deal with the intruder to stop them. Whatever is needed,

550
00:25:02,764 --> 00:25:05,124
Speaker 1: We're going to do that. But in many homes or

551
00:25:05,205 --> 00:25:10,244
Speaker 1: under spiritual attack, and the father is not being a protector,

552
00:25:10,645 --> 00:25:12,925
Speaker 1: he's not looking out for the spiritual welfare of the

553
00:25:13,004 --> 00:25:16,204
Speaker 1: family and not leading this family spiritually. So these are

554
00:25:16,244 --> 00:25:17,205
Speaker 1: all important things.

555
00:25:17,324 --> 00:25:19,324
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And so what ends up happening is if

556
00:25:19,445 --> 00:25:22,205
Speaker 2: we as the church, we don't speak into these things,

557
00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:25,004
Speaker 2: the world is gonna give men a perverted version of this.

558
00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:27,165
Speaker 2: They're going to add just enough of a kernel of

559
00:25:27,244 --> 00:25:28,884
Speaker 2: truth in them and then they're gonna take it, and

560
00:25:28,925 --> 00:25:30,924
Speaker 2: they're gonna andrew tate it. They're gonna they're gonna make

561
00:25:30,965 --> 00:25:33,004
Speaker 2: it about clivic, they're gonna make it about luxmaxing, they're

562
00:25:33,004 --> 00:25:36,085
Speaker 2: gonna make it about being a playboy in all this nonsense.

563
00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:37,725
Speaker 2: And so I think we have to be clear and

564
00:25:37,764 --> 00:25:39,405
Speaker 2: speaking into these things. And this is what I discovered.

565
00:25:39,405 --> 00:25:41,924
Speaker 2: People always add, why don't you talk about women's issues,

566
00:25:41,925 --> 00:25:43,605
Speaker 2: and why don't you talk about women and modern women?

567
00:25:43,645 --> 00:25:45,845
Speaker 2: And I go, generally speaking, I'm sure you could speak

568
00:25:45,844 --> 00:25:47,764
Speaker 2: to this. If we get the men, If the men

569
00:25:47,804 --> 00:25:51,644
Speaker 2: start following and loving Jesus women tend to follow, you

570
00:25:51,764 --> 00:25:54,484
Speaker 2: get the men. The women follow, the children follow, and

571
00:25:54,564 --> 00:25:58,205
Speaker 2: so as we build up competent, capable men. I've just

572
00:25:58,284 --> 00:26:00,885
Speaker 2: always noticed that man a woman would love to feel

573
00:26:00,925 --> 00:26:04,244
Speaker 2: protected and provided for. And when when she feels safe,

574
00:26:04,484 --> 00:26:08,284
Speaker 2: she naturally slides into her feminine, you know, frame of

575
00:26:08,445 --> 00:26:10,564
Speaker 2: being able to be led. But if they're always in

576
00:26:10,645 --> 00:26:12,364
Speaker 2: anxiety because they don't know if the bills are going

577
00:26:12,405 --> 00:26:13,804
Speaker 2: to get paid, and they don't know what's going to happen,

578
00:26:14,125 --> 00:26:16,124
Speaker 2: then then do you get some of that usurping that

579
00:26:16,205 --> 00:26:18,205
Speaker 2: we see from the curs of Genesis three? And so

580
00:26:18,244 --> 00:26:19,965
Speaker 2: I actually let's get let's get the men on board,

581
00:26:20,284 --> 00:26:22,205
Speaker 2: and for my experienced women tend to follow.

582
00:26:22,885 --> 00:26:25,365
Speaker 1: Very true. You know, it's interesting because you came from

583
00:26:25,445 --> 00:26:28,685
Speaker 1: a background where you saw the effects of communism in

584
00:26:28,804 --> 00:26:32,364
Speaker 1: real time, and yet in our country now we're seeing

585
00:26:32,524 --> 00:26:37,524
Speaker 1: an emergence of communism people even running for office. We

586
00:26:37,685 --> 00:26:40,604
Speaker 1: call them democratic socialists, but in many ways they're just

587
00:26:40,685 --> 00:26:44,405
Speaker 1: outright community No, let's flat out communists, and so define

588
00:26:44,524 --> 00:26:48,324
Speaker 1: socialism communism and what you mean when you say flat

589
00:26:48,365 --> 00:26:49,285
Speaker 1: out communists, Well.

590
00:26:49,484 --> 00:26:52,045
Speaker 2: They're the same thing anyone that's being intellectually honest. When

591
00:26:52,084 --> 00:26:54,484
Speaker 2: you want to own the means of production and you

592
00:26:54,604 --> 00:26:56,484
Speaker 2: want that to be owned by the people, i e.

593
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Speaker 2: The state. You're a communist, you're a socialist. If you

594
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Speaker 2: want to say we need more safety nets and we

595
00:27:02,564 --> 00:27:04,564
Speaker 2: want to have universal health care and look at the

596
00:27:04,604 --> 00:27:08,524
Speaker 2: Scandinovian nation, that's a different conversation because the Scandinavian nations

597
00:27:08,725 --> 00:27:10,884
Speaker 2: all pay more in taxes. So if people want to

598
00:27:10,885 --> 00:27:13,004
Speaker 2: collectively get together and say, hey, the lower class and

599
00:27:13,044 --> 00:27:14,604
Speaker 2: the middle class are all going to pay more in

600
00:27:14,725 --> 00:27:16,965
Speaker 2: taxes so we can have healthcare, we can have whatever

601
00:27:17,004 --> 00:27:20,044
Speaker 2: safety net program, that's a different conversation. But Sweden, in

602
00:27:20,084 --> 00:27:22,844
Speaker 2: these places, they're still capitalistic. They're just all pay more. Canada,

603
00:27:22,885 --> 00:27:25,525
Speaker 2: they just all pay more and then they spend more.

604
00:27:25,764 --> 00:27:27,884
Speaker 2: So I think here in America, I think we have

605
00:27:28,004 --> 00:27:29,764
Speaker 2: the best of both worlds in the sense that there's

606
00:27:29,764 --> 00:27:31,685
Speaker 2: safety nets that if something were to happen to someone,

607
00:27:31,844 --> 00:27:33,925
Speaker 2: there's stuff like welfare. People don't know. We spend a

608
00:27:34,004 --> 00:27:36,604
Speaker 2: trillion dollars a year on welfare. It's more than our

609
00:27:36,645 --> 00:27:38,965
Speaker 2: military budget. That's a fact. You can check me on that.

610
00:27:39,764 --> 00:27:41,604
Speaker 2: So we spend a lot of money already on the

611
00:27:41,645 --> 00:27:44,685
Speaker 2: safety nets. But in our framework, we just keep thinking

612
00:27:44,764 --> 00:27:47,205
Speaker 2: that taxing the rich is going to fix everything, and

613
00:27:47,804 --> 00:27:49,965
Speaker 2: it's not the reality is that if you took ninety

614
00:27:50,004 --> 00:27:53,044
Speaker 2: nine percent of the wealth from all the billionaires, you

615
00:27:53,084 --> 00:27:56,445
Speaker 2: would get eight trillion dollars or nine trillion dollars that

616
00:27:56,764 --> 00:27:59,885
Speaker 2: would fund our federal budget for a year and a half,

617
00:28:00,284 --> 00:28:01,725
Speaker 2: two years. I did the math on this. I really

618
00:28:01,725 --> 00:28:04,605
Speaker 2: went down this rabbit hole. And so these guys are madamie,

619
00:28:04,645 --> 00:28:06,445
Speaker 2: and you know these has a flat out saying yeah,

620
00:28:06,445 --> 00:28:09,165
Speaker 2: the ultimate end is we want to own the means

621
00:28:09,205 --> 00:28:12,725
Speaker 2: of production. We want the government to own the capital, yes,

622
00:28:12,844 --> 00:28:14,965
Speaker 2: and we don't want private citizens to own capital. And

623
00:28:15,125 --> 00:28:17,925
Speaker 2: that never goes well, that always falls apart. And you

624
00:28:17,965 --> 00:28:19,725
Speaker 2: saw it happened in the Soviet Union. You see it

625
00:28:20,484 --> 00:28:22,644
Speaker 2: in nation after nation. So there's no example of it

626
00:28:22,764 --> 00:28:26,725
Speaker 2: working ever anywhere, yep. And it's resulted in the deaths

627
00:28:26,764 --> 00:28:30,805
Speaker 2: of literally millions and millions of people. And the way

628
00:28:30,885 --> 00:28:33,564
Speaker 2: Christians are treated under these systems always the way Christians

629
00:28:33,604 --> 00:28:35,725
Speaker 2: were treated in the Soviet Union. Yes, I meet I

630
00:28:35,764 --> 00:28:38,285
Speaker 2: feel like every week I meet another Slavic Christian. And

631
00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,684
Speaker 2: my dad was in prison for ten years for being

632
00:28:40,725 --> 00:28:44,205
Speaker 2: a Christian back in the Soviet Union. My uncle, it's awful.

633
00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:48,885
Speaker 1: So a lot of this is amplified and spread online

634
00:28:49,485 --> 00:28:53,525
Speaker 1: and so you know, you have your podcast and you're

635
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,644
Speaker 1: out there making the difference. And so let's talk a

636
00:28:56,685 --> 00:28:58,685
Speaker 1: little bit about that. Let it kind of focus a

637
00:28:58,725 --> 00:29:01,644
Speaker 1: little bit on gen Z. You know, they've been described

638
00:29:02,405 --> 00:29:07,924
Speaker 1: by some as the hopeless generation. Seventy two of them

639
00:29:07,965 --> 00:29:12,205
Speaker 1: now are using AI companions instead of human interaction. They're

640
00:29:12,285 --> 00:29:17,125
Speaker 1: literally going to chat or claude or whatever, and they're

641
00:29:17,205 --> 00:29:21,204
Speaker 1: asking questions they should be asking of God and asking

642
00:29:21,285 --> 00:29:24,765
Speaker 1: at church with biblical response. So there's people who are

643
00:29:24,805 --> 00:29:28,205
Speaker 1: older who maybe are perplexed by this generation gen Z,

644
00:29:28,485 --> 00:29:31,085
Speaker 1: like lit't I'll put myself in the position, Okay, as

645
00:29:31,125 --> 00:29:33,884
Speaker 1: an older person of boomer what do I need to

646
00:29:34,005 --> 00:29:36,844
Speaker 1: know about gen Z? About what I can do to

647
00:29:36,965 --> 00:29:37,445
Speaker 1: help them?

648
00:29:38,005 --> 00:29:40,245
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think for starters, gen Z is the most

649
00:29:40,525 --> 00:29:43,525
Speaker 2: Jesus curious generation. Is why do you say that, Well,

650
00:29:43,565 --> 00:29:46,445
Speaker 2: the data shows that they almost half of gen Z

651
00:29:46,885 --> 00:29:49,045
Speaker 2: is Jesus curious, in Jesus open. It doesn't mean a Christians.

652
00:29:49,084 --> 00:29:51,485
Speaker 1: Would you contrast that to gen X, which.

653
00:29:51,844 --> 00:29:53,765
Speaker 2: There's more secular? Yeah, gen X was way more.

654
00:29:53,805 --> 00:29:55,444
Speaker 1: Second, you feel like they kind of feel like they

655
00:29:55,485 --> 00:29:57,805
Speaker 1: got left out the boomers. And then it went to

656
00:29:57,925 --> 00:29:59,805
Speaker 1: gen Z and like, hey, what about us?

657
00:30:00,765 --> 00:30:03,005
Speaker 2: Well, you know, interesting thing. I went down the that

658
00:30:03,365 --> 00:30:05,045
Speaker 2: I went deep on this and I found out that,

659
00:30:06,045 --> 00:30:09,405
Speaker 2: oddly enough, is the least sexually active generation.

660
00:30:09,565 --> 00:30:11,045
Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting at least?

661
00:30:11,045 --> 00:30:14,245
Speaker 2: Actually the most sexually active generation was Gen xers and boomers,

662
00:30:14,885 --> 00:30:17,245
Speaker 2: all the free love stuff and the hippie stuff, and

663
00:30:17,485 --> 00:30:20,245
Speaker 2: you know that. So they're they're the least sexually active,

664
00:30:20,245 --> 00:30:23,525
Speaker 2: they're the most open to Jesus. They're the most isolated

665
00:30:23,565 --> 00:30:26,565
Speaker 2: and alone, but they're most interconnected. So they're like a walking,

666
00:30:26,645 --> 00:30:30,565
Speaker 2: talking paradox in real time. They're very confused, they're they're

667
00:30:30,685 --> 00:30:34,124
Speaker 2: very anxious, they're very stressed out. And I think what

668
00:30:35,045 --> 00:30:37,245
Speaker 2: is difficult in terms of dealing with them is they

669
00:30:37,365 --> 00:30:40,364
Speaker 2: start thinking that their struggles are unique to them, and

670
00:30:40,445 --> 00:30:43,165
Speaker 2: they forget that every generation has had a unique struggle.

671
00:30:43,565 --> 00:30:46,245
Speaker 2: And so you think of the millennials. I got married

672
00:30:46,245 --> 00:30:48,565
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, right as the housing market

673
00:30:48,604 --> 00:30:51,205
Speaker 2: and economy fell apart, and it was very difficult just

674
00:30:51,285 --> 00:30:54,525
Speaker 2: finding it part time job. So every generation has unique challenges.

675
00:30:54,565 --> 00:30:57,604
Speaker 2: They're going to deal with a bit more inflation unfortunately,

676
00:30:57,685 --> 00:31:01,364
Speaker 2: and all the supply chain issues with COVID they're you know, senior,

677
00:31:01,485 --> 00:31:04,005
Speaker 2: junior years of high school, freshman years of college. They

678
00:31:04,045 --> 00:31:06,485
Speaker 2: were locked down. They feel like they were robbed of

679
00:31:06,565 --> 00:31:09,604
Speaker 2: some stuff and they were considering that. You know, I

680
00:31:09,685 --> 00:31:11,884
Speaker 2: think we locked down too hard and overdid it, and

681
00:31:12,045 --> 00:31:14,884
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of frustration and disorientation. And I

682
00:31:14,925 --> 00:31:19,845
Speaker 2: think they're also not the most equipped with processing information

683
00:31:20,005 --> 00:31:22,925
Speaker 2: well right, so they're very onto the next thing. So

684
00:31:23,325 --> 00:31:26,005
Speaker 2: right now, oh, you know is real bad. So now

685
00:31:26,045 --> 00:31:28,965
Speaker 2: they're on that train. Then you know, before that it

686
00:31:29,045 --> 00:31:31,525
Speaker 2: was BLM and police are bad, and before that, you know,

687
00:31:31,765 --> 00:31:34,245
Speaker 2: so it's like they kind of move on from thing

688
00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:37,165
Speaker 2: to thing, and they love they want to change the world,

689
00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:39,525
Speaker 2: but they don't want to change their world. So they're

690
00:31:39,565 --> 00:31:41,724
Speaker 2: not thinking about what's in front of me right now

691
00:31:41,805 --> 00:31:44,805
Speaker 2: that I can influence. They want to think about what's

692
00:31:44,844 --> 00:31:47,245
Speaker 2: happening three thousand miles away. They want to think about

693
00:31:47,285 --> 00:31:50,445
Speaker 2: this action over here, and so they end up kind

694
00:31:50,445 --> 00:31:52,045
Speaker 2: of missing what's right in front of them. And so

695
00:31:52,125 --> 00:31:54,005
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do is say, hey, guys, like

696
00:31:54,885 --> 00:31:57,005
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff you can't control. We can't

697
00:31:57,445 --> 00:32:00,245
Speaker 2: the family we were born into, the year we were born,

698
00:32:00,645 --> 00:32:02,485
Speaker 2: where we live, we can't control some which you can

699
00:32:02,525 --> 00:32:05,245
Speaker 2: control what's in front. Right, Let's work on what we

700
00:32:05,285 --> 00:32:08,925
Speaker 2: can control and doing those inputs. And I think they need,

701
00:32:09,365 --> 00:32:12,245
Speaker 2: like every Gen Z person needs a good boomer in

702
00:32:12,285 --> 00:32:14,644
Speaker 2: their life. They need someone in their life to remind

703
00:32:14,685 --> 00:32:18,565
Speaker 2: them that you're not that unique, you're not that special.

704
00:32:18,844 --> 00:32:20,845
Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. You think it's hard

705
00:32:20,844 --> 00:32:22,965
Speaker 2: to buy a house, how about when interest rates we're

706
00:32:23,285 --> 00:32:25,604
Speaker 2: fifteen percent or whatever they were in the seventies and

707
00:32:25,645 --> 00:32:28,245
Speaker 2: the eighties. Right, you think it's difficult, Now, how about

708
00:32:28,245 --> 00:32:30,205
Speaker 2: when we have the gas shortage in the seventies and

709
00:32:30,525 --> 00:32:33,645
Speaker 2: all these things. We don't remember these things as millennials

710
00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:35,045
Speaker 2: because we didn't live through these things. But you guys

711
00:32:35,045 --> 00:32:40,084
Speaker 2: have gone through some serious things, wars and crazy events.

712
00:32:40,485 --> 00:32:43,965
Speaker 2: And so I think they need someone that's older, that's

713
00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:46,525
Speaker 2: a boomer, that can sit there like you're not that unique,

714
00:32:46,604 --> 00:32:50,005
Speaker 2: Like there's always uncertainty, there's always chaos. That's actually the

715
00:32:50,125 --> 00:32:53,205
Speaker 2: natural state of the world. It's chaos. Like you're in

716
00:32:53,285 --> 00:32:57,485
Speaker 2: a westernized American bubble where everything is orderly and there's laws, no, no, no.

717
00:32:57,645 --> 00:33:00,445
Speaker 2: The natural state of the world is chaos. And so

718
00:33:00,565 --> 00:33:03,045
Speaker 2: I'm always encouraging a lot of the gen z, like,

719
00:33:03,285 --> 00:33:04,885
Speaker 2: get you a good boomer in your life, get somebody

720
00:33:04,885 --> 00:33:06,644
Speaker 2: that you could just sit with and talk to.

721
00:33:06,805 --> 00:33:09,884
Speaker 1: I love that, you know. When I first came to

722
00:33:10,005 --> 00:33:14,045
Speaker 1: christ I never had a father figure, or for that matter,

723
00:33:14,165 --> 00:33:17,604
Speaker 1: a mother figure. So when I became a believer, I

724
00:33:17,725 --> 00:33:20,644
Speaker 1: wanted to meet godly older people. And it's funny. I

725
00:33:20,685 --> 00:33:23,084
Speaker 1: did think around people my age, but I'd like to

726
00:33:23,165 --> 00:33:25,844
Speaker 1: hang around older people more because I thought, I have

727
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:28,724
Speaker 1: to figure these things out. I don't even know how

728
00:33:28,844 --> 00:33:32,445
Speaker 1: to function really in a practical way. Pastor Chuck Smith

729
00:33:32,604 --> 00:33:35,884
Speaker 1: was a father figure for me. Later I had the

730
00:33:35,925 --> 00:33:38,245
Speaker 1: privilege of getting to know Billy Graham, you know, a

731
00:33:38,365 --> 00:33:41,925
Speaker 1: father type figure. Others in my life that were very important.

732
00:33:42,084 --> 00:33:45,045
Speaker 1: Other godly women too that I could talk to and

733
00:33:45,125 --> 00:33:47,965
Speaker 1: ask quit Chuck out a wife. They're both didn't have

734
00:33:48,045 --> 00:33:49,925
Speaker 1: it now, but her name is Kay. I talked to

735
00:33:49,965 --> 00:33:52,485
Speaker 1: her about things, and I had my aunt, my mother

736
00:33:52,685 --> 00:33:55,565
Speaker 1: sister who helped me a lot. But it's so important

737
00:33:55,604 --> 00:33:57,884
Speaker 1: and it's so great for the older folks. They have

738
00:33:58,045 --> 00:34:01,165
Speaker 1: a place to share the things they've learned. And I've

739
00:34:01,205 --> 00:34:05,005
Speaker 1: also converted to older believers and new believers. Older believers

740
00:34:05,205 --> 00:34:08,325
Speaker 1: need believers in their life to energize them, and new

741
00:34:08,405 --> 00:34:11,444
Speaker 1: believers need older believers in their life to stabilize them.

742
00:34:11,565 --> 00:34:12,125
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good.

743
00:34:12,285 --> 00:34:14,285
Speaker 1: So it's kind of the same principle. But over in

744
00:34:14,365 --> 00:34:15,645
Speaker 1: the spiritual world a little.

745
00:34:15,565 --> 00:34:18,285
Speaker 2: How old were you in your early twenties as you're

746
00:34:18,285 --> 00:34:21,005
Speaker 2: coming to faithteen's early twenties, and how old was Chuck

747
00:34:21,045 --> 00:34:21,805
Speaker 2: at that time? Oh?

748
00:34:21,885 --> 00:34:25,165
Speaker 1: My good question. I was, well, I was. I came

749
00:34:25,245 --> 00:34:28,165
Speaker 1: to Christ said seventeen. I started to get to know

750
00:34:28,325 --> 00:34:30,685
Speaker 1: him at eighteen. He would have been in his early

751
00:34:30,805 --> 00:34:33,605
Speaker 1: forties at that point, which now sounds young to me,

752
00:34:34,805 --> 00:34:37,685
Speaker 1: but he seems so much older. And he was already

753
00:34:37,765 --> 00:34:41,485
Speaker 1: married with Oh you had married kids, and so he was.

754
00:34:41,645 --> 00:34:41,805
Speaker 2: You know.

755
00:34:42,885 --> 00:34:45,485
Speaker 1: I learned kind of a work ethic from Chuck too,

756
00:34:45,845 --> 00:34:48,885
Speaker 1: because I had to learn how to provide for myself,

757
00:34:48,965 --> 00:34:51,685
Speaker 1: to take care of myself because sometimes my mom wouldn't

758
00:34:51,685 --> 00:34:54,085
Speaker 1: come home at night, so I just scrounged money up

759
00:34:54,125 --> 00:34:57,445
Speaker 1: and defeed myself, get myself ready for school, etc. So

760
00:34:57,765 --> 00:35:01,325
Speaker 1: you know, but God used those things later in my life,

761
00:35:01,965 --> 00:35:04,805
Speaker 1: as I think he's used your upbringing this well, and

762
00:35:04,925 --> 00:35:07,165
Speaker 1: you know, he can bring beauty out of ash. That's

763
00:35:07,165 --> 00:35:09,645
Speaker 1: as the Bible says it, and even cause all things

764
00:35:09,685 --> 00:35:12,405
Speaker 1: to work together for good, for his glory.

765
00:35:12,565 --> 00:35:14,405
Speaker 2: So yeah, but but looking for.

766
00:35:14,725 --> 00:35:17,165
Speaker 1: Advices from older people, and I but always ask them

767
00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:20,725
Speaker 1: lots of questions. But older folks can learn from younger

768
00:35:20,765 --> 00:35:22,445
Speaker 1: people too, don't you think? Absolutely?

769
00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:25,205
Speaker 2: And I think for starters, older folks need to know

770
00:35:25,365 --> 00:35:27,245
Speaker 2: that you don't need to be intimidated by these guys.

771
00:35:27,405 --> 00:35:27,605
Speaker 1: Yeah.

772
00:35:27,725 --> 00:35:31,205
Speaker 2: There they come off stand office, too cool for school. Yeah,

773
00:35:31,245 --> 00:35:32,885
Speaker 2: But the moment you spend a little bit of time

774
00:35:32,965 --> 00:35:36,245
Speaker 2: and those facades come down, they want to be known.

775
00:35:36,725 --> 00:35:38,805
Speaker 2: They want to be known, They want to they want

776
00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:40,605
Speaker 2: to have time. A lot of these folks they just

777
00:35:40,685 --> 00:35:42,365
Speaker 2: want time. They don't they don't need you to have

778
00:35:42,445 --> 00:35:44,605
Speaker 2: the house perfect. They don't need you to make a

779
00:35:44,685 --> 00:35:47,685
Speaker 2: fancy dinner. Just open up your home and we have

780
00:35:47,965 --> 00:35:50,165
Speaker 2: you know, an influx right now of gen Z coming

781
00:35:50,205 --> 00:35:53,005
Speaker 2: to faith, especially young young gen Z men that are

782
00:35:53,085 --> 00:35:56,245
Speaker 2: gen Z that are coming to faith. Yes, swarming back

783
00:35:56,245 --> 00:35:56,565
Speaker 2: to church.

784
00:35:56,725 --> 00:35:57,645
Speaker 1: Is that still happening?

785
00:35:57,765 --> 00:35:59,325
Speaker 2: I think so? I mean not our churches is a

786
00:35:59,365 --> 00:36:01,205
Speaker 2: ton of men women too, But I see a lot

787
00:36:01,285 --> 00:36:01,565
Speaker 2: of men.

788
00:36:01,805 --> 00:36:05,405
Speaker 1: So still isn't more young gen Z men young men

789
00:36:05,605 --> 00:36:06,325
Speaker 1: than young women.

790
00:36:06,365 --> 00:36:08,205
Speaker 2: That's what the data showing that's what the dat I

791
00:36:08,245 --> 00:36:08,645
Speaker 2: read that, but.

792
00:36:08,645 --> 00:36:10,125
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been shifted a little or not.

793
00:36:10,485 --> 00:36:14,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say on a ground level, I'm seeing

794
00:36:15,165 --> 00:36:18,325
Speaker 2: fifty five forty five, fifty five percent men, forty five

795
00:36:18,325 --> 00:36:18,884
Speaker 2: percent women.

796
00:36:19,645 --> 00:36:21,885
Speaker 1: Because in the past it was more it seemed like

797
00:36:21,965 --> 00:36:24,685
Speaker 1: women would always lead the way in all these things. Yeah, yeah,

798
00:36:24,725 --> 00:36:26,445
Speaker 1: it's I think it's an unusual shift.

799
00:36:26,485 --> 00:36:29,645
Speaker 2: It's it's a very unusual shift. And so I think

800
00:36:30,125 --> 00:36:33,085
Speaker 2: these these folks just want relationship, They want to be around.

801
00:36:33,805 --> 00:36:36,765
Speaker 2: More is caught than taught. And you don't got to

802
00:36:36,805 --> 00:36:38,165
Speaker 2: get the house perfect. You don't got to make a

803
00:36:38,165 --> 00:36:40,445
Speaker 2: perfect meal for them. Just invite them over when you're

804
00:36:40,485 --> 00:36:43,325
Speaker 2: doing hard work, Invite them over when you're running errands,

805
00:36:43,365 --> 00:36:45,525
Speaker 2: invite them over to take them on a walk. Like

806
00:36:45,885 --> 00:36:48,005
Speaker 2: they appreciate those simple things. And I think it's the

807
00:36:48,125 --> 00:36:51,245
Speaker 2: proximity that that matters. And I would I would bet

808
00:36:51,325 --> 00:36:53,805
Speaker 2: that in the same way, you know pastor Chuck wasn't

809
00:36:53,805 --> 00:36:55,805
Speaker 2: intimidated by a bunch of young hippies and all these

810
00:36:55,845 --> 00:36:57,925
Speaker 2: folks around, I would say that we need some of

811
00:36:57,965 --> 00:37:01,205
Speaker 2: that fearlessness from the boomers to say, not afraid of

812
00:37:01,285 --> 00:37:05,005
Speaker 2: you guys like whatever like okay, so you got TikTok brain.

813
00:37:05,125 --> 00:37:07,405
Speaker 2: You know, I had a short insentience speak okay, come over,

814
00:37:07,565 --> 00:37:09,565
Speaker 2: come over. And so now we got these young folks

815
00:37:10,045 --> 00:37:12,445
Speaker 2: and you got boomers who have homes and spaces for

816
00:37:12,525 --> 00:37:14,205
Speaker 2: them to get. That's another thing, is like the death

817
00:37:14,245 --> 00:37:16,685
Speaker 2: of the third space, where what is the third space

818
00:37:16,725 --> 00:37:19,245
Speaker 2: in between home and school? A lot of them are

819
00:37:19,325 --> 00:37:21,125
Speaker 2: coming from dysfunctional home, so they don't want to be

820
00:37:21,165 --> 00:37:23,565
Speaker 2: at home right, and so opening up the home to

821
00:37:23,685 --> 00:37:25,805
Speaker 2: just say come on over, well, come hang out.

822
00:37:25,845 --> 00:37:28,445
Speaker 1: I love that. So that's something anybody could do. Any

823
00:37:28,685 --> 00:37:32,685
Speaker 1: like Christian listening to this could open their home and

824
00:37:32,805 --> 00:37:36,165
Speaker 1: when they have dinner they can invite some younger people

825
00:37:36,285 --> 00:37:39,245
Speaker 1: over and just say hey, let's hang out. Someone did

826
00:37:39,325 --> 00:37:41,285
Speaker 1: that for me after I became a Christian. A guy

827
00:37:41,365 --> 00:37:45,605
Speaker 1: named Mark said, Hey, come over to my house for dinner.

828
00:37:46,005 --> 00:37:48,645
Speaker 1: And I've never been with a Christian family before. I've

829
00:37:48,685 --> 00:37:52,165
Speaker 1: never said grace before a meal. And so we had

830
00:37:52,205 --> 00:37:54,965
Speaker 1: the meal and then afterwards we had a little Bible study.

831
00:37:55,005 --> 00:37:57,365
Speaker 1: We'd talked about the Bible, and it was just like

832
00:37:57,685 --> 00:38:00,285
Speaker 1: revelatory to me, this is what I've been looking for,

833
00:38:00,805 --> 00:38:03,765
Speaker 1: this is what I've been wanting, and so I came

834
00:38:03,845 --> 00:38:06,165
Speaker 1: to Christ during the spiritual Awake and think we've talked

835
00:38:06,165 --> 00:38:08,925
Speaker 1: about it a lot, the Jesus Revolution. They made a

836
00:38:09,005 --> 00:38:12,285
Speaker 1: movie out of it. Do you think are you seeing

837
00:38:13,005 --> 00:38:16,805
Speaker 1: signs of what could be another revival among gen Z

838
00:38:17,725 --> 00:38:19,085
Speaker 1: right now? I am on the.

839
00:38:19,125 --> 00:38:21,445
Speaker 2: Ground in terms of our church is doubled. You've met

840
00:38:21,485 --> 00:38:24,884
Speaker 2: my pastor, Pastor Jeff mors So within the last eighteen months,

841
00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:28,085
Speaker 2: our church is doubled in size. I just spoke at

842
00:38:28,165 --> 00:38:31,445
Speaker 2: College app church. They've doubled, and so I'm hearing a

843
00:38:31,485 --> 00:38:34,885
Speaker 2: lot of church doubling tripling really quickly. So I do

844
00:38:35,325 --> 00:38:38,485
Speaker 2: think there seems to be a shift happening, and I

845
00:38:38,565 --> 00:38:40,445
Speaker 2: think that that is a beautiful thing.

846
00:38:41,005 --> 00:38:44,165
Speaker 1: Can you identify, because you Trevorn, you're speaking different churches,

847
00:38:44,205 --> 00:38:47,405
Speaker 1: like I've noticed this type of church is doubling and

848
00:38:47,525 --> 00:38:50,165
Speaker 1: tripling and this other type of church isn't.

849
00:38:50,445 --> 00:38:52,125
Speaker 2: Well that's a great question, okay, So I would say

850
00:38:52,125 --> 00:38:54,805
Speaker 2: that church that this is what makes gen Z unique

851
00:38:55,165 --> 00:38:59,365
Speaker 2: is they want substance. They want to go deep so

852
00:38:59,485 --> 00:39:01,805
Speaker 2: to find that. They want to know what the Greek says,

853
00:39:02,245 --> 00:39:04,645
Speaker 2: they want to know about the manuscripts, they want to

854
00:39:04,765 --> 00:39:10,125
Speaker 2: know about church history. They want to know and be informed,

855
00:39:10,325 --> 00:39:11,965
Speaker 2: and so they want to go deep. So the churches

856
00:39:12,005 --> 00:39:15,485
Speaker 2: that are exploding right now again Pastor Chris Hilken College

857
00:39:15,525 --> 00:39:19,405
Speaker 2: at church right in SDSU, he's preaching an hour hard.

858
00:39:19,925 --> 00:39:22,685
Speaker 2: There's not always an opening illustration. There's not a story,

859
00:39:22,725 --> 00:39:25,485
Speaker 2: there's not a funny Story's all right, guys, we're in

860
00:39:25,565 --> 00:39:28,045
Speaker 2: a colossal Chapter four train the Bibles. Boom. I just

861
00:39:28,125 --> 00:39:30,525
Speaker 2: went to see Pastor Joby Martin out at eleven twenty two,

862
00:39:30,645 --> 00:39:32,485
Speaker 2: one of the want to say, top twenty churches in

863
00:39:32,525 --> 00:39:34,845
Speaker 2: America right now, over thirty thousand and thirty five thousand

864
00:39:34,845 --> 00:39:38,205
Speaker 2: people like Sunday taking him through the Gospel of Matthew,

865
00:39:38,325 --> 00:39:42,445
Speaker 2: verse by verse, Hey, guys, Matthew boom, and he's taking

866
00:39:42,485 --> 00:39:45,285
Speaker 2: him through Matthew at Rhythm Church. We just finished Joshua.

867
00:39:46,245 --> 00:39:48,285
Speaker 2: Before that, we spent the year in Acts. So I

868
00:39:48,325 --> 00:39:51,844
Speaker 2: would say they're preaching the scriptures, they're preaching the text.

869
00:39:52,165 --> 00:39:55,325
Speaker 2: These churches are going along. They're they're like forty five

870
00:39:55,485 --> 00:39:59,404
Speaker 2: minutes minimal, they're going sometimes an hour. They're going deep,

871
00:40:00,125 --> 00:40:04,125
Speaker 2: and there is some sort of applicable step. What can

872
00:40:04,205 --> 00:40:08,125
Speaker 2: you do? Step in, serve, contribute, don't just be a consumer.

873
00:40:08,445 --> 00:40:10,765
Speaker 2: Don't just sit sit and take take take take no,

874
00:40:10,965 --> 00:40:13,125
Speaker 2: step in and do something with the faith. So those

875
00:40:13,125 --> 00:40:15,165
Speaker 2: are some of the identity markers that I'm noticing.

876
00:40:15,285 --> 00:40:19,685
Speaker 1: Anything else, like what the styles of worship vary with

877
00:40:19,805 --> 00:40:22,844
Speaker 1: They tend to be more contemporary because sometimes you hear, oh,

878
00:40:22,965 --> 00:40:26,445
Speaker 1: young people are attracted down more to tradition or to

879
00:40:26,765 --> 00:40:30,005
Speaker 1: a liturgy or to something else, and to me, a

880
00:40:30,085 --> 00:40:33,205
Speaker 1: lot of times it's action reaction. So like you know,

881
00:40:33,485 --> 00:40:39,485
Speaker 1: the generation before us, very formal, traditional church. So you know, boomers,

882
00:40:39,725 --> 00:40:41,885
Speaker 1: we're all we have the hippie thing, okay, and we

883
00:40:42,045 --> 00:40:46,845
Speaker 1: invented effectively contemporary Christian music. You know, electric guitars, drums.

884
00:40:46,965 --> 00:40:48,725
Speaker 1: But then when you're a kid in your wraith and

885
00:40:48,845 --> 00:40:51,805
Speaker 1: that now that's the north. So you know, we think

886
00:40:51,845 --> 00:40:53,885
Speaker 1: it's cutting there. So look how cutting edge we are.

887
00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:56,245
Speaker 1: We have electric guitars, and maybe they think, well, we

888
00:40:56,285 --> 00:40:59,125
Speaker 1: don't think that's cool, and then they react, and then

889
00:40:59,165 --> 00:41:02,605
Speaker 1: they get older and then their kids they react. So

890
00:41:02,685 --> 00:41:04,485
Speaker 1: it's all these actions reactions.

891
00:41:04,805 --> 00:41:09,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, all things become news. So absolutely, so that's that's

892
00:41:09,245 --> 00:41:12,325
Speaker 2: great for av budgets at churches. They don't care about

893
00:41:12,325 --> 00:41:14,685
Speaker 2: the fog machine. They don't need a fancy light show.

894
00:41:14,845 --> 00:41:18,844
Speaker 2: This is the most marketed to generation ever. Everything has

895
00:41:18,965 --> 00:41:22,005
Speaker 2: been marketed. So remember my generation, we as millennials. I

896
00:41:22,085 --> 00:41:25,645
Speaker 2: remember a world before iPhone. I remember a world before

897
00:41:25,845 --> 00:41:28,525
Speaker 2: social media. I remember a world before everyone walked around

898
00:41:28,565 --> 00:41:31,245
Speaker 2: with their head down. These kids have always grown up

899
00:41:31,245 --> 00:41:33,765
Speaker 2: with the iPad, the tablets in their hands. So they're

900
00:41:33,805 --> 00:41:35,605
Speaker 2: the most marketed to generation. So they don't want to

901
00:41:35,605 --> 00:41:37,645
Speaker 2: feel like you're trying to sell them something. They don't

902
00:41:37,685 --> 00:41:40,205
Speaker 2: need an over the top production. They've seen it all,

903
00:41:40,245 --> 00:41:42,765
Speaker 2: they've gone, They've seen Taylor Swift, they've seen Drake at tour.

904
00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:46,765
Speaker 2: You're not going to out Drake Drake. Just just give

905
00:41:46,845 --> 00:41:50,485
Speaker 2: us good, wholesome, reverent worships. That's what we want. And

906
00:41:50,885 --> 00:41:52,845
Speaker 2: I don't think they're angry at that fog machines, but

907
00:41:52,925 --> 00:41:55,245
Speaker 2: that's that's not drawing them in. That's not cool to them.

908
00:41:55,285 --> 00:41:57,445
Speaker 2: They just they want simplicity and I think that. I

909
00:41:57,485 --> 00:41:59,005
Speaker 2: mean you're seeing that, yes, So with the with the

910
00:41:59,085 --> 00:42:00,884
Speaker 2: liturgy and the order in the structure, I think there's

911
00:42:00,925 --> 00:42:02,045
Speaker 2: there's a hunger for that as well.

912
00:42:02,165 --> 00:42:06,605
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, now on your podcast, you interview all kinds

913
00:42:06,645 --> 00:42:09,645
Speaker 1: of people, You talk about all kinds of subjects, And

914
00:42:09,805 --> 00:42:13,165
Speaker 1: it seems to me right now online that obviously you

915
00:42:13,285 --> 00:42:19,085
Speaker 1: can grow your platform by controversy, by criticism. Some people

916
00:42:19,165 --> 00:42:22,725
Speaker 1: seem to all it seems they do is criticize, and

917
00:42:23,165 --> 00:42:27,445
Speaker 1: that's that's how they get, you know, likes or followers

918
00:42:27,765 --> 00:42:31,405
Speaker 1: or clicks or whatever platform they're utilizing to do that,

919
00:42:32,125 --> 00:42:35,645
Speaker 1: and you are not doing that. But you do deal

920
00:42:35,765 --> 00:42:38,844
Speaker 1: with subjects and you're not afraid to shy away from

921
00:42:38,925 --> 00:42:42,165
Speaker 1: certain things. So when something is like a trendy topic

922
00:42:42,885 --> 00:42:45,365
Speaker 1: and you think, Okay, should I do a podcast on

923
00:42:45,485 --> 00:42:49,445
Speaker 1: this or should I just set this one out? How

924
00:42:49,525 --> 00:42:51,725
Speaker 1: do you make that determination? Yeah?

925
00:42:52,005 --> 00:42:56,445
Speaker 2: I prayerfully, hopefully, we're praying and we're thinking, and we're

926
00:42:56,485 --> 00:42:59,445
Speaker 2: also attempting to listen to our audience and what are

927
00:42:59,445 --> 00:43:01,925
Speaker 2: they what are their concerns, what are they fearful of?

928
00:43:02,085 --> 00:43:05,805
Speaker 2: What are they worried about? And then there's certain things

929
00:43:05,885 --> 00:43:10,285
Speaker 2: that if something is publicly verified, these are public statements

930
00:43:10,365 --> 00:43:15,285
Speaker 2: being made. I think public statements open up public responses,

931
00:43:15,885 --> 00:43:17,925
Speaker 2: and I think I think that's a huge one. So

932
00:43:17,965 --> 00:43:19,805
Speaker 2: if something is not public or something is a rumor,

933
00:43:19,845 --> 00:43:22,565
Speaker 2: I mean, in my world, I'm hearing a lot of

934
00:43:22,645 --> 00:43:25,005
Speaker 2: stuff and that's rumors. And so I try not to

935
00:43:25,045 --> 00:43:28,125
Speaker 2: speak on anything that's not publicly verified. So generally is

936
00:43:28,165 --> 00:43:30,365
Speaker 2: a public is it coming from the horse's mouth? And

937
00:43:30,725 --> 00:43:34,045
Speaker 2: then is there more to this than meets the eye?

938
00:43:34,245 --> 00:43:37,364
Speaker 2: Meaning this that sometimes proverb says, you know, he who

939
00:43:37,845 --> 00:43:40,405
Speaker 2: presents his case first seems right, and then until the

940
00:43:40,485 --> 00:43:43,365
Speaker 2: one that comes and does the cross examination right I'm paraphrasing.

941
00:43:43,605 --> 00:43:47,485
Speaker 2: So sometimes the being first isn't being right. Sometimes you

942
00:43:47,565 --> 00:43:49,725
Speaker 2: can get to a story or a topic or a

943
00:43:49,805 --> 00:43:51,925
Speaker 2: video first, and you're not always right. So I think

944
00:43:51,925 --> 00:43:53,485
Speaker 2: it's also slowing down and saying, wait a minute, is

945
00:43:53,605 --> 00:43:57,565
Speaker 2: there more here to this? Let's hit pause. I've intentionally

946
00:43:57,725 --> 00:44:02,445
Speaker 2: tried to do videos where I'm doing yes and content

947
00:44:03,405 --> 00:44:07,245
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to shape share something positive and not

948
00:44:07,445 --> 00:44:10,045
Speaker 2: just tear down. I like that because I think it's

949
00:44:10,125 --> 00:44:11,485
Speaker 2: very easy to just tear down.

950
00:44:11,685 --> 00:44:14,765
Speaker 1: I think you're very balanced. I always appreciate your take

951
00:44:14,845 --> 00:44:17,445
Speaker 1: on things. And there'll be a subject coming up and

952
00:44:17,485 --> 00:44:19,685
Speaker 1: I'll say, oh, Ruslan's dealing with us. I'm going to

953
00:44:19,725 --> 00:44:22,085
Speaker 1: see what his take on it is. Because I like

954
00:44:22,205 --> 00:44:25,685
Speaker 1: that you're not afraid to tackle a difficult subject, but

955
00:44:25,765 --> 00:44:28,805
Speaker 1: you come at it with a biblical worldview. And I

956
00:44:28,885 --> 00:44:31,605
Speaker 1: think you're very even handed with things, and you want

957
00:44:31,645 --> 00:44:34,965
Speaker 1: to know what is true and verify it, and so

958
00:44:35,205 --> 00:44:37,685
Speaker 1: I think you do. I think you're a very important

959
00:44:37,765 --> 00:44:40,765
Speaker 1: voice out there, and it's you know, and I think

960
00:44:41,285 --> 00:44:45,405
Speaker 1: some people will blow their things up bigger and then

961
00:44:45,445 --> 00:44:48,765
Speaker 1: they'll crash and burn one day. And I would rather

962
00:44:48,925 --> 00:44:52,605
Speaker 1: be steady, consistent and do it in the right way,

963
00:44:52,725 --> 00:44:55,605
Speaker 1: even if I have less followers, you know, even if

964
00:44:55,605 --> 00:44:57,565
Speaker 1: I have less clicks, or if I have less whatever.

965
00:44:57,885 --> 00:44:59,645
Speaker 1: I'll just say, this is something I want to say,

966
00:45:00,045 --> 00:45:01,405
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say it, and I think it

967
00:45:01,525 --> 00:45:04,805
Speaker 1: needs to be said, and maybe it'll be responded to well,

968
00:45:05,085 --> 00:45:07,725
Speaker 1: and maybe it won't be There are things that I'm

969
00:45:07,805 --> 00:45:10,485
Speaker 1: surprised by how some things are responded to. Have you've

970
00:45:10,485 --> 00:45:13,325
Speaker 1: ever done a podcast just dealing with whatever subject and

971
00:45:13,445 --> 00:45:16,485
Speaker 1: it blew up and became super viral, and then something

972
00:45:16,565 --> 00:45:18,765
Speaker 1: else she thought, Oh, this is going to be super

973
00:45:18,845 --> 00:45:21,525
Speaker 1: big and it wasn't as well responded to.

974
00:45:21,725 --> 00:45:24,285
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time, all the time. I mean, what

975
00:45:24,445 --> 00:45:27,005
Speaker 2: I think happens, what I think culturally is happening right

976
00:45:27,045 --> 00:45:28,645
Speaker 2: now is a lot of people are falling into the

977
00:45:28,685 --> 00:45:33,885
Speaker 2: biggest bad fallacy. So there's an entire industry of just

978
00:45:34,605 --> 00:45:40,045
Speaker 2: calling out big things like megachurch, megachurch, bad, megachurch pastor.

979
00:45:39,765 --> 00:45:41,884
Speaker 1: Bad yeah and immediately yeah.

980
00:45:41,925 --> 00:45:45,165
Speaker 2: And so I end up defending a lot of people

981
00:45:45,525 --> 00:45:47,445
Speaker 2: and trying to point out to the beauty of what

982
00:45:47,525 --> 00:45:50,165
Speaker 2: they're doing instead of saying hey. And I often think

983
00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:53,445
Speaker 2: that that the just because something is big doesn't make

984
00:45:53,485 --> 00:45:56,205
Speaker 2: it good either. But a lot of times, especially today,

985
00:45:56,245 --> 00:45:59,645
Speaker 2: I think that the person gets to decide whether something

986
00:45:59,805 --> 00:46:01,965
Speaker 2: is big or not. You can't trick people anymore, you

987
00:46:02,005 --> 00:46:06,325
Speaker 2: can't market your way into effectiveness. Actually have to have

988
00:46:06,445 --> 00:46:09,045
Speaker 2: the substance because they'll just move on to the next thing.

989
00:46:09,325 --> 00:46:10,805
Speaker 2: And so now what we're saying is we're seeing a

990
00:46:10,925 --> 00:46:13,165
Speaker 2: lot of good men, a lot of good pastors that

991
00:46:13,205 --> 00:46:16,325
Speaker 2: are being attagged for silly reasons, and we're not really

992
00:46:16,405 --> 00:46:19,165
Speaker 2: processing why are we upset about this? Yeah, so I'll

993
00:46:19,205 --> 00:46:21,005
Speaker 2: go in and say, Okay, well, is this a black

994
00:46:21,045 --> 00:46:23,245
Speaker 2: or white issue or is this a personal conviction?

995
00:46:23,525 --> 00:46:23,685
Speaker 1: Right?

996
00:46:23,765 --> 00:46:25,805
Speaker 2: And let's deal with that. And so I think that's

997
00:46:25,885 --> 00:46:27,765
Speaker 2: the that's the heart of what I'm trying to do.

998
00:46:27,965 --> 00:46:31,485
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, it's weird because most you know, wes

999
00:46:31,765 --> 00:46:35,085
Speaker 1: I passed, I passor for over fifty years and one

1000
00:46:35,165 --> 00:46:38,485
Speaker 1: day in the eighties, I got a call from some magazine,

1001
00:46:38,605 --> 00:46:42,165
Speaker 1: Christian magazine. Oh, as a mega church we wanted to interview.

1002
00:46:42,245 --> 00:46:44,685
Speaker 1: I never even heard the term before. We never set

1003
00:46:44,765 --> 00:46:47,245
Speaker 1: out to be a mega church, and I don't know

1004
00:46:47,365 --> 00:46:50,245
Speaker 1: that most people who pastor as so called mega churches did.

1005
00:46:50,845 --> 00:46:53,445
Speaker 1: And to me, it'd be like, well, there's this one restaurant,

1006
00:46:53,485 --> 00:46:56,325
Speaker 1: there's a line around the block. People love to eat there,

1007
00:46:56,845 --> 00:46:59,485
Speaker 1: and then there's another restaurant that you know has no

1008
00:46:59,685 --> 00:47:02,885
Speaker 1: clientele and they're basically close to going out of business.

1009
00:47:03,405 --> 00:47:05,924
Speaker 1: Now we went and criticized a restaurant of the line

1010
00:47:05,965 --> 00:47:09,365
Speaker 1: around the block, Why are we immediately critical of a

1011
00:47:09,525 --> 00:47:12,885
Speaker 1: church just because that's grown. However, having said that, you

1012
00:47:13,045 --> 00:47:16,485
Speaker 1: can grow a church in the wrong way with false teaching,

1013
00:47:17,285 --> 00:47:21,005
Speaker 1: and so there is some validity, but you have to

1014
00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:24,285
Speaker 1: evaluate them on the basis of what's being preached there,

1015
00:47:24,365 --> 00:47:26,685
Speaker 1: what kind of spiritual fruit you see from there over

1016
00:47:26,725 --> 00:47:27,125
Speaker 1: the years.

1017
00:47:27,485 --> 00:47:30,165
Speaker 2: So there's a lot more to it than just yeah,

1018
00:47:30,245 --> 00:47:35,844
Speaker 2: big is bad and is the teaching bringing harm to people? Yeah,

1019
00:47:35,965 --> 00:47:40,805
Speaker 2: because there are teachers and teachings that I'm not mad

1020
00:47:40,845 --> 00:47:44,205
Speaker 2: at the teacher per se, but the culture they're exporting

1021
00:47:44,725 --> 00:47:47,765
Speaker 2: is actually now infiltrating our church. And now I'm having

1022
00:47:47,805 --> 00:47:50,005
Speaker 2: to deal with you know, filled in the blank, whether

1023
00:47:50,045 --> 00:47:52,405
Speaker 2: it's hyper deliverance and everything is a demon now and

1024
00:47:52,485 --> 00:47:54,005
Speaker 2: so now we got to now we gotta walk you

1025
00:47:54,085 --> 00:47:56,884
Speaker 2: through what it means to be saved. And so it's

1026
00:47:56,965 --> 00:47:59,085
Speaker 2: like we have to deal with these things on the

1027
00:47:59,125 --> 00:48:02,165
Speaker 2: ground or you know, the hyper charismaniac. God told me

1028
00:48:02,605 --> 00:48:05,285
Speaker 2: everything is a prophecy, and so when I see these

1029
00:48:05,325 --> 00:48:08,485
Speaker 2: things is being exported, this hurts people on the ground.

1030
00:48:09,205 --> 00:48:11,165
Speaker 2: And those things do need to be interested and they

1031
00:48:11,165 --> 00:48:13,885
Speaker 2: do need to be not to attack people to correct

1032
00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:14,525
Speaker 2: bad teaching.

1033
00:48:14,765 --> 00:48:16,725
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a whole new medium now where

1034
00:48:17,005 --> 00:48:20,645
Speaker 1: anyone can effectively have a voice. So it's good because

1035
00:48:20,845 --> 00:48:23,805
Speaker 1: anyone can have a voice. It's bad because anyone can

1036
00:48:23,885 --> 00:48:26,965
Speaker 1: have a voice. And so it's all out there. But

1037
00:48:28,245 --> 00:48:32,924
Speaker 1: you've encouraged pastors. I heard you say today that every

1038
00:48:33,045 --> 00:48:36,005
Speaker 1: pastor should have a podcast, right, so I'll explain that.

1039
00:48:36,285 --> 00:48:40,685
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think most pastors already have the material, yes,

1040
00:48:41,085 --> 00:48:45,005
Speaker 2: because most pastors are spending hours, you know, sometimes fifteen

1041
00:48:45,045 --> 00:48:47,085
Speaker 2: twenty hours a week prepping for their talk on Sunday,

1042
00:48:47,445 --> 00:48:50,685
Speaker 2: you know, squeezing everything you studied for in a thirty

1043
00:48:50,725 --> 00:48:53,365
Speaker 2: to time. It's a sixty minute talk. So they already

1044
00:48:53,445 --> 00:48:56,085
Speaker 2: have extra material that I wish I could have gotten

1045
00:48:56,125 --> 00:48:58,245
Speaker 2: to the very true it's okay, so take your church

1046
00:48:58,365 --> 00:49:00,165
Speaker 2: deeper on that thing, you know, take them deeper on

1047
00:49:00,245 --> 00:49:02,805
Speaker 2: the thing I wish I could have gone into. Now

1048
00:49:03,045 --> 00:49:07,445
Speaker 2: they're getting more time with you in terms of receiving

1049
00:49:07,485 --> 00:49:09,605
Speaker 2: from you, and it's at scale in the same way

1050
00:49:09,645 --> 00:49:12,885
Speaker 2: that Paul utilized letters that they were sending the churches. Right,

1051
00:49:12,925 --> 00:49:15,325
Speaker 2: Paul wasn't sitting one to one with every single person.

1052
00:49:15,605 --> 00:49:18,565
Speaker 2: He was writing letters many times answering their questions, yeah,

1053
00:49:18,685 --> 00:49:22,045
Speaker 2: real concerns, and he was using the technology at the time.

1054
00:49:22,125 --> 00:49:23,485
Speaker 2: And so to me, I go, okay, well, you have

1055
00:49:23,565 --> 00:49:27,405
Speaker 2: extra material. Your congregation needs you. They need to hear

1056
00:49:27,485 --> 00:49:29,885
Speaker 2: from you more. And it's not going to take a

1057
00:49:29,925 --> 00:49:31,485
Speaker 2: whole lot of effort for you to sit down for

1058
00:49:31,565 --> 00:49:34,085
Speaker 2: an hour or two and just say this is everything

1059
00:49:34,125 --> 00:49:36,605
Speaker 2: I wish I would have said, so well, and then

1060
00:49:36,685 --> 00:49:38,085
Speaker 2: you could take that and you could say, okay, well

1061
00:49:38,125 --> 00:49:40,165
Speaker 2: there's some things I'm want to speak into. That's a

1062
00:49:40,205 --> 00:49:42,685
Speaker 2: current event where that's a news story. I think that

1063
00:49:43,005 --> 00:49:44,965
Speaker 2: I pointed to Josh Howardon, who's a dear friend of mine,

1064
00:49:44,965 --> 00:49:47,645
Speaker 2: pastors a massive church out in Texas, and his podcast

1065
00:49:47,725 --> 00:49:50,805
Speaker 2: is exploding. And a lot of pastors already have the

1066
00:49:50,805 --> 00:49:54,525
Speaker 2: gift of communication, So transitioning to a podcast is not

1067
00:49:54,685 --> 00:49:57,005
Speaker 2: much different than a sermon. You already know how to

1068
00:49:57,045 --> 00:50:00,325
Speaker 2: tell stories, how to execute the text. And so Josh

1069
00:50:00,365 --> 00:50:04,725
Speaker 2: Howardson has exploded, Pastor Jobey Martin's exploded, Pastor Philip Anthony

1070
00:50:04,725 --> 00:50:06,765
Speaker 2: Mitchell have exploded. Do They all have their podcasts and

1071
00:50:06,805 --> 00:50:10,005
Speaker 2: it's just getting their congregation more time, and then sometimes

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Speaker 2: it goes way beyond their congregation, which I think is

1073
00:50:12,645 --> 00:50:14,005
Speaker 2: also a net positive for the kingdom.

1074
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Speaker 1: What do you think people are really are you kind

1075
00:50:17,045 --> 00:50:20,085
Speaker 1: of touched on it, but are really hungry for and

1076
00:50:20,165 --> 00:50:23,245
Speaker 1: are really needing right now? Like topics we should be

1077
00:50:23,405 --> 00:50:28,405
Speaker 1: addressing in the podcasting platform or other forms of social media,

1078
00:50:28,885 --> 00:50:30,765
Speaker 1: I think are from the pulpit for that matter.

1079
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Speaker 2: I think a big concern I have is our modern

1080
00:50:35,445 --> 00:50:38,125
Speaker 2: education system has not done a great job of teaching

1081
00:50:38,165 --> 00:50:41,005
Speaker 2: young people how to think as much as they've been

1082
00:50:41,045 --> 00:50:44,445
Speaker 2: teaching them what to think. So there's being indoctrinated critical

1083
00:50:44,485 --> 00:50:46,645
Speaker 2: theory and Marxism and all that, and I'm not using

1084
00:50:46,685 --> 00:50:49,245
Speaker 2: these boogiey band terms like these are real things they're

1085
00:50:49,285 --> 00:50:52,285
Speaker 2: being indoctrinated with. Then they go to church and now

1086
00:50:52,325 --> 00:50:55,725
Speaker 2: they're just giving opposing ideas, but they're not being taught

1087
00:50:55,845 --> 00:50:59,285
Speaker 2: how to think, how to process what is a logical fallacy?

1088
00:50:59,365 --> 00:51:02,285
Speaker 2: How do you understand the reason? How do you deduce

1089
00:51:02,445 --> 00:51:04,685
Speaker 2: what is true out of multiple theories? And so I

1090
00:51:04,725 --> 00:51:07,285
Speaker 2: think if we could help young people learn how to

1091
00:51:07,445 --> 00:51:10,165
Speaker 2: think and how to check their own biases. You know,

1092
00:51:10,205 --> 00:51:13,885
Speaker 2: the scriptures talk about people floating from the latest teaching

1093
00:51:13,965 --> 00:51:16,965
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. And my buddy Matthew

1094
00:51:17,005 --> 00:51:18,685
Speaker 2: was talking about we were just hanging out earlier and

1095
00:51:18,725 --> 00:51:20,725
Speaker 2: he was talking about Paul's writing The Corintheans, and he's

1096
00:51:20,725 --> 00:51:23,085
Speaker 2: telling like, you're still on milk. You're still on milk.

1097
00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:24,565
Speaker 2: You need to get on me, you need to go

1098
00:51:24,605 --> 00:51:26,045
Speaker 2: a little deeper. And I think that comes as the

1099
00:51:26,045 --> 00:51:28,364
Speaker 2: byproduct of teaching people how to think. So I think

1100
00:51:28,445 --> 00:51:32,845
Speaker 2: how to think? I think, Uh, I wish more, And

1101
00:51:32,925 --> 00:51:35,285
Speaker 2: this is going to be controversial. I wish more pastors

1102
00:51:35,845 --> 00:51:39,285
Speaker 2: spoke about financial literacy and finances more because I think

1103
00:51:39,325 --> 00:51:41,525
Speaker 2: a lot of young people are uncertain and they're scared,

1104
00:51:42,085 --> 00:51:45,404
Speaker 2: and they got they got Dave Ramsey, and they got

1105
00:51:45,845 --> 00:51:47,845
Speaker 2: the world, and they got all the point and that

1106
00:51:48,005 --> 00:51:53,205
Speaker 2: then the gambling is up, the speculation on the they're

1107
00:51:53,205 --> 00:51:55,325
Speaker 2: gambling on the weather now I know, right, And and

1108
00:51:55,725 --> 00:51:57,885
Speaker 2: so I wish we had podcast on.

1109
00:52:00,205 --> 00:52:02,165
Speaker 1: Now you can liberally put your phone, you.

1110
00:52:02,205 --> 00:52:04,805
Speaker 2: Can bet on the weather. It is so weird. And

1111
00:52:04,885 --> 00:52:09,125
Speaker 2: so I wish we had more pastors talking about financial literacy.

1112
00:52:09,845 --> 00:52:12,365
Speaker 2: Why giving is good for you, yes, why serving is

1113
00:52:12,405 --> 00:52:14,205
Speaker 2: good for you, Why having a budget is good for you.

1114
00:52:14,765 --> 00:52:16,765
Speaker 2: I think the Ramsey people are doing an amazing job.

1115
00:52:16,845 --> 00:52:20,565
Speaker 1: I think sometimes pastors avoid those topics because they may

1116
00:52:20,605 --> 00:52:23,285
Speaker 1: be afraid that they'll be criticized because all the church

1117
00:52:23,365 --> 00:52:25,925
Speaker 1: does is talk about money, which isn't true. I mean,

1118
00:52:26,005 --> 00:52:28,325
Speaker 1: maybe there are some churches and all they talk about

1119
00:52:28,445 --> 00:52:31,045
Speaker 1: is money, but fine, large that's not true of most churches.

1120
00:52:31,125 --> 00:52:33,685
Speaker 1: It's funny, how you know a person won't think twice

1121
00:52:33,685 --> 00:52:35,645
Speaker 1: about paying some huge amount of money to go to

1122
00:52:36,205 --> 00:52:39,085
Speaker 1: a movie, a lot more money to go to a concert,

1123
00:52:39,245 --> 00:52:42,165
Speaker 1: even a relatively large amount of money to get a

1124
00:52:42,405 --> 00:52:44,845
Speaker 1: you know, cappuccino. But all of a sudden, when an

1125
00:52:44,885 --> 00:52:47,605
Speaker 1: offering play this past what what I have to invest

1126
00:52:47,685 --> 00:52:50,845
Speaker 1: in this, and there is there is a blessing in giving,

1127
00:52:51,445 --> 00:52:54,884
Speaker 1: but there's a responsibility attached to it as well.

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00:52:55,045 --> 00:52:57,005
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think to me, I think we we

1129
00:52:57,525 --> 00:53:00,565
Speaker 2: we should be leading in that. And I'm not afraid.

1130
00:53:00,685 --> 00:53:03,404
Speaker 2: And I've said this before, and I love being called

1131
00:53:03,445 --> 00:53:05,725
Speaker 2: into a church to give, to give the giving talk.

1132
00:53:05,845 --> 00:53:09,365
Speaker 2: I love it because when we were in debt, we

1133
00:53:09,645 --> 00:53:13,885
Speaker 2: gave and tithe through that consistently. We gave ten percent

1134
00:53:14,205 --> 00:53:16,005
Speaker 2: while we were getting out of debt. And it's the

1135
00:53:16,085 --> 00:53:17,845
Speaker 2: best thing we could have done. And people will argue

1136
00:53:17,845 --> 00:53:20,325
Speaker 2: and it is it an Old Testament law for the

1137
00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:22,565
Speaker 2: New test Most of you aren't giving anything.

1138
00:53:22,805 --> 00:53:25,765
Speaker 1: That's the point, you know. I never hear people it's

1139
00:53:26,005 --> 00:53:26,605
Speaker 1: entry level.

1140
00:53:26,765 --> 00:53:28,565
Speaker 2: I never hear people that are giving twenty percent or

1141
00:53:28,565 --> 00:53:30,925
Speaker 2: thirty percent of their income. I want to argue about it.

1142
00:53:30,925 --> 00:53:33,005
Speaker 2: If it's a law, it's off the net or the growth.

1143
00:53:33,005 --> 00:53:34,885
Speaker 2: It's always the people that don't give anything. They got

1144
00:53:34,885 --> 00:53:37,165
Speaker 2: a lot of opinions. And so to me, we've always

1145
00:53:37,205 --> 00:53:39,285
Speaker 2: given ten percent. I don't think it's a law in

1146
00:53:39,325 --> 00:53:40,565
Speaker 2: the sense that I don't think it's a law like

1147
00:53:40,565 --> 00:53:42,205
Speaker 2: the Sabbath is a law. But I think it's a

1148
00:53:42,325 --> 00:53:45,125
Speaker 2: great principle to take rest every week. And in the

1149
00:53:45,125 --> 00:53:46,605
Speaker 2: same way, I think it's a great principle to give

1150
00:53:46,605 --> 00:53:49,605
Speaker 2: at least percent of income. And there's something that happens

1151
00:53:49,645 --> 00:53:52,885
Speaker 2: when I release my money, So I wish again, I

1152
00:53:52,885 --> 00:53:56,165
Speaker 2: wish more. Pastors talked about financial literacy, living on a budget,

1153
00:53:56,205 --> 00:53:58,925
Speaker 2: living on less than what you make, avoiding debt, avoiding gambling,

1154
00:53:59,605 --> 00:54:03,645
Speaker 2: having a plan for your future, and I think it's necessary.

1155
00:54:03,685 --> 00:54:04,165
Speaker 2: I think it's.

1156
00:54:05,685 --> 00:54:09,645
Speaker 1: So let's just say, you remember when when Twitter first

1157
00:54:09,685 --> 00:54:12,485
Speaker 1: came out and now called x and it was controversial.

1158
00:54:12,605 --> 00:54:15,925
Speaker 1: This at a pastor's conference and they were literally some

1159
00:54:16,085 --> 00:54:18,125
Speaker 1: of these older guys were like, I don't know, we

1160
00:54:18,165 --> 00:54:21,085
Speaker 1: shouldn't go on Twitter? Should we go on Twitter? Twitter's

1161
00:54:21,165 --> 00:54:24,125
Speaker 1: like I tink a microphone hooked up to two speakers.

1162
00:54:24,405 --> 00:54:26,845
Speaker 1: Should I speak into the microphone? Of course you should.

1163
00:54:27,485 --> 00:54:29,805
Speaker 1: Let's imagine for a moment, you're going up to a

1164
00:54:29,885 --> 00:54:34,125
Speaker 1: microphone and you're speaking to an audience of one million

1165
00:54:35,005 --> 00:54:39,485
Speaker 1: gen Z kids, and you've got maybe two or three minutes, Like,

1166
00:54:39,645 --> 00:54:40,805
Speaker 1: what do you want to say to them?

1167
00:54:41,445 --> 00:54:45,285
Speaker 2: Man, I'd want to say one, the very best thing

1168
00:54:45,485 --> 00:54:47,525
Speaker 2: you can do is to surrender your life at the

1169
00:54:47,565 --> 00:54:48,485
Speaker 2: lordship with Jesus.

1170
00:54:49,125 --> 00:54:50,365
Speaker 1: Explain what that means.

1171
00:54:50,205 --> 00:54:52,125
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people want Jesus as

1172
00:54:52,165 --> 00:54:55,445
Speaker 2: their savior, as their friend, as their homeboys, as their buddy,

1173
00:54:55,565 --> 00:54:59,565
Speaker 2: as their Powell, as their sidekick. They don't want Jesus as.

1174
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Speaker 1: Remember when that hat Jesus is my booys popular. Yeah,

1175
00:55:03,325 --> 00:55:07,045
Speaker 1: so they need to know about knowing him as Savior

1176
00:55:07,085 --> 00:55:07,884
Speaker 1: and Lord and lord.

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00:55:08,165 --> 00:55:10,245
Speaker 2: If someone's lord, if someone's king over my life, that

1178
00:55:10,325 --> 00:55:13,805
Speaker 2: means that king has no dominion. And the paradoxical part

1179
00:55:13,965 --> 00:55:16,365
Speaker 2: is when I live by the king's ways, it's actually

1180
00:55:16,445 --> 00:55:19,165
Speaker 2: in my best interest and God's and ways are good

1181
00:55:19,205 --> 00:55:21,925
Speaker 2: for me. And so I always encourage people if you

1182
00:55:22,085 --> 00:55:24,525
Speaker 2: want God's will for your life, if you want God's

1183
00:55:24,565 --> 00:55:27,045
Speaker 2: goodness for your life, you have to get aligned with

1184
00:55:27,165 --> 00:55:29,045
Speaker 2: God's ways for your life. And you want to know

1185
00:55:29,125 --> 00:55:30,725
Speaker 2: what God's will is. It's not always a fork in

1186
00:55:30,765 --> 00:55:32,965
Speaker 2: the road moment. It's often how you go about doing

1187
00:55:33,005 --> 00:55:35,725
Speaker 2: those boring, mundane things that you don't want to think about.

1188
00:55:36,045 --> 00:55:39,525
Speaker 2: But if you can, if you can extract God's ways

1189
00:55:39,605 --> 00:55:41,325
Speaker 2: for your life, you'll always be in God's will. How

1190
00:55:41,365 --> 00:55:43,045
Speaker 2: do we get to God's ways? We getting God's word.

1191
00:55:43,205 --> 00:55:44,405
Speaker 2: So I think that's one of the best things you

1192
00:55:44,445 --> 00:55:48,005
Speaker 2: could do is getting God's word. I am astonished by

1193
00:55:48,045 --> 00:55:50,085
Speaker 2: the amount of people that claim to be Christian have

1194
00:55:50,205 --> 00:55:53,525
Speaker 2: never read the Bible and cover. I am doing currently

1195
00:55:53,565 --> 00:55:56,725
Speaker 2: a reading plan that I designed Monday through Friday Old Testament,

1196
00:55:56,845 --> 00:55:59,925
Speaker 2: New Testament, Salmon proverb, two year plan. I do it

1197
00:55:59,965 --> 00:56:02,085
Speaker 2: every morning. It's I mean, sometimes I'll go deeper.

1198
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Speaker 1: Someone's will it take you to go through a day's reading?

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Speaker 2: Up? Seven minutes?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

1201
00:56:05,965 --> 00:56:06,525
Speaker 2: Seven minutes?

1202
00:56:06,565 --> 00:56:06,765
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1203
00:56:06,805 --> 00:56:08,885
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so seven minutes. And then often I'll go deeper.

1204
00:56:09,205 --> 00:56:11,085
Speaker 2: I'll want to jump in the Greek. I'll pull up

1205
00:56:11,085 --> 00:56:15,884
Speaker 2: the Google sorry, the logos study app. I'll sometimes I'll

1206
00:56:15,925 --> 00:56:16,725
Speaker 2: throw it on while I'm on.

1207
00:56:16,845 --> 00:56:19,725
Speaker 1: So for people that don't know, logo says an amazing

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00:56:20,125 --> 00:56:21,685
Speaker 1: yes download.

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00:56:21,725 --> 00:56:23,445
Speaker 2: Yeah, And logos used to just be for pastors, like

1210
00:56:23,485 --> 00:56:25,485
Speaker 2: ten years ago, it was only for pastors. Now it's

1211
00:56:25,605 --> 00:56:27,285
Speaker 2: I think my plan is fifteen bucks a month.

1212
00:56:27,405 --> 00:56:27,605
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1213
00:56:27,765 --> 00:56:29,445
Speaker 2: And there's also something that you know, when you pay,

1214
00:56:29,565 --> 00:56:31,565
Speaker 2: you pay attention. When you pay a little something, you

1215
00:56:31,645 --> 00:56:34,364
Speaker 2: pay attention. So I'm a big advocate for logos. So yeah,

1216
00:56:34,485 --> 00:56:36,285
Speaker 2: I think carving out time to get in the word,

1217
00:56:36,645 --> 00:56:40,165
Speaker 2: carving out time to pray. I think prayer is huge.

1218
00:56:40,805 --> 00:56:43,125
Speaker 2: I'm a big advocate of prayer journaling, So I like

1219
00:56:43,245 --> 00:56:46,965
Speaker 2: writing out prayers. We forget and we need to be reminded,

1220
00:56:47,365 --> 00:56:49,125
Speaker 2: often way more than we need to be taught.

1221
00:56:49,005 --> 00:56:50,364
Speaker 1: Of the faithfulness of the Lord.

1222
00:56:50,445 --> 00:56:52,205
Speaker 2: Of the faithfulness of the Lord. Have He already answered

1223
00:56:52,205 --> 00:56:52,525
Speaker 2: your prayer?

1224
00:56:52,565 --> 00:56:53,805
Speaker 1: You already answered your prayers?

1225
00:56:53,925 --> 00:56:57,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I love prayer journaling, starting with praise reports

1226
00:56:57,605 --> 00:57:00,485
Speaker 2: then praying for other people, then praying for yourself, and

1227
00:57:00,685 --> 00:57:02,325
Speaker 2: you know that's where you would confess some sins, and

1228
00:57:02,365 --> 00:57:04,765
Speaker 2: then reflecting all what God is doing teaching you through

1229
00:57:04,805 --> 00:57:08,885
Speaker 2: the word. And then I would say, lastly, like become useful,

1230
00:57:09,285 --> 00:57:12,205
Speaker 2: become useful, become useful to your current employer. What skills

1231
00:57:12,245 --> 00:57:14,045
Speaker 2: do you have? What skills can you build on top of?

1232
00:57:15,005 --> 00:57:17,885
Speaker 2: Become useful and faithful? To write where you are, because

1233
00:57:17,925 --> 00:57:19,565
Speaker 2: often it's being faithful. And then the little things that

1234
00:57:19,605 --> 00:57:20,725
Speaker 2: will lead you to the next sea.

1235
00:57:20,605 --> 00:57:23,085
Speaker 1: And so many of the parables of Jesus that was

1236
00:57:23,165 --> 00:57:27,485
Speaker 1: so amplified. You know, personal responsibility and you are awarded

1237
00:57:27,645 --> 00:57:31,925
Speaker 1: according to your faithfulness and with taking that responsibility, like

1238
00:57:32,005 --> 00:57:35,325
Speaker 1: the parable of the talents and so and so forth.

1239
00:57:35,765 --> 00:57:38,485
Speaker 1: And then there's a multiplied blessing and response.

1240
00:57:38,645 --> 00:57:41,725
Speaker 2: So and I would say last day to gen Z, like, man,

1241
00:57:43,485 --> 00:57:46,205
Speaker 2: your great great grandparents would trade places with you in

1242
00:57:46,245 --> 00:57:48,485
Speaker 2: a heartbeat to live the life that you live with

1243
00:57:48,565 --> 00:57:51,125
Speaker 2: all of our unique challenges and the economy and that

1244
00:57:51,285 --> 00:57:53,725
Speaker 2: cost of like all of that is fair. They would

1245
00:57:54,005 --> 00:57:56,205
Speaker 2: trade places with you in a heart beat to be

1246
00:57:56,325 --> 00:57:58,365
Speaker 2: here and now. And I would also say, when when

1247
00:57:58,365 --> 00:58:02,365
Speaker 2: you're reading the scriptures, remember of the freedom that we

1248
00:58:02,445 --> 00:58:04,565
Speaker 2: have in our concepts to share our faith, of the

1249
00:58:04,685 --> 00:58:08,165
Speaker 2: freedom that we have to build businesses and build ministries

1250
00:58:08,205 --> 00:58:11,285
Speaker 2: and build nonprofits and do good and help people. We

1251
00:58:11,445 --> 00:58:14,365
Speaker 2: have such a huge opportunity to do good, and I

1252
00:58:14,405 --> 00:58:17,685
Speaker 2: would hate for us to squander it because we're obsessed

1253
00:58:17,685 --> 00:58:20,405
Speaker 2: about the latest controversy or the latest conspiracy or the

1254
00:58:20,485 --> 00:58:23,725
Speaker 2: latest economic concertaincy and the political state of the world.

1255
00:58:23,765 --> 00:58:26,045
Speaker 2: And it's like, man, look at the opportunity we all have.

1256
00:58:26,245 --> 00:58:30,045
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, those great words just kind of a

1257
00:58:30,285 --> 00:58:34,605
Speaker 1: cook lightning round of more mundane things. Uh So, like

1258
00:58:34,645 --> 00:58:37,565
Speaker 1: when Ruslan's hungry, what's your favorite food to have? Is

1259
00:58:37,645 --> 00:58:38,565
Speaker 1: it pizza? Hut pea?

1260
00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:40,645
Speaker 2: No? I can't eat pizza hut no more no, no, no,

1261
00:58:41,325 --> 00:58:43,925
Speaker 2: I'm a very simple guy. I'm a I'm a chicken,

1262
00:58:43,965 --> 00:58:47,125
Speaker 2: sweet potato guy now and fruit yeah. Yeah.

1263
00:58:47,685 --> 00:58:50,125
Speaker 1: So when you go to a do you like coffee?

1264
00:58:50,725 --> 00:58:51,805
Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a tea guy.

1265
00:58:52,165 --> 00:58:54,165
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Michael W. Smith said that to me.

1266
00:58:54,525 --> 00:58:55,765
Speaker 1: It was very disappointing too.

1267
00:58:55,885 --> 00:58:56,045
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1268
00:58:56,085 --> 00:58:56,365
Speaker 1: I like you.

1269
00:58:58,205 --> 00:59:01,965
Speaker 2: You like your root, I like Maya, I like mate.

1270
00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:04,485
Speaker 2: So you're romante from South America. That's my jam.

1271
00:59:04,525 --> 00:59:05,205
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.

1272
00:59:05,485 --> 00:59:06,245
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna get you.

1273
00:59:06,325 --> 00:59:09,165
Speaker 1: Hip. A friend of mine got me going on macha

1274
00:59:09,765 --> 00:59:12,325
Speaker 1: and so I have a cappuccino in the morning, then

1275
00:59:12,365 --> 00:59:15,165
Speaker 1: after I eat lunch, I have an iced macha. Okay.

1276
00:59:15,205 --> 00:59:18,445
Speaker 1: And the cool thing is it's an antioxidant and the

1277
00:59:18,645 --> 00:59:21,885
Speaker 1: caffeine is really slower. Yes, they don't get the immediate boom,

1278
00:59:22,005 --> 00:59:25,325
Speaker 1: you know, but it's a nice slow caffeine released. But

1279
00:59:25,445 --> 00:59:28,085
Speaker 1: it has be done right because machigan tastes really weird.

1280
00:59:28,245 --> 00:59:29,525
Speaker 2: Yes, if it's not done right.

1281
00:59:29,565 --> 00:59:31,645
Speaker 1: But I found the guy. He has a place called

1282
00:59:31,725 --> 00:59:35,605
Speaker 1: Mongot Coffee. They're in Orange County. Little commercial for him.

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Speaker 1: He nails the ice macha.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my son loves macha. So Mate is similar in

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Speaker 2: that it's less of a spike and it's less of

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Speaker 2: a crash, it's more of an arc. So for deep work,

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Speaker 2: it's it's perfect.

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Speaker 1: So who's your favorite like band of all time? Oh,

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Speaker 1: band of altam artist, single artist.

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Speaker 2: I am a big fan of Fred Hammond. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: gospel worship that Like, if I'm jamming anything, it's probably

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Speaker 2: going to be Fred Hammond. Yeah. And then I listen

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Speaker 2: to a lot of my friends. I listened to Indie Tribe,

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Speaker 2: I listened to Forrest Frame, I listened to Jake, I

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Speaker 2: listened to a lot of my hold.

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Speaker 1: Does Fred play guitar too?

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Speaker 2: Fred plays bass?

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Speaker 1: Bass? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Sorry? Did you say Frank No? I say it's Fred Hamman,

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Speaker 2: Fred Hamman, Yes, he plays bass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, right good. I don't know that I've ever

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Speaker 1: earned as as.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like nineties gospel music.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. What like movies? Like? What are your top

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Speaker 1: three movies?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh, So I'm into whatever my kids are into

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Speaker 2: right now. So we're big on the Marvel Universe, Spider

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Speaker 2: Man and Star Wars. That's that's where we're living right now.

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Speaker 2: My favorite movies. I love The Inception. I thought that

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Speaker 2: was a great I don't know if I ever fully

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Speaker 2: understod that that's a great way about going into dreams. Christopher.

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Speaker 1: Then I have seys it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I heard it was good.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was so much criticism about you know,

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Speaker 1: the cast, yes, yes, yes, and and Franklin when you

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Speaker 1: watch a movie. Yeah, no, that was especially I'm forgetting

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Speaker 1: the actor's name, actresses name.

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Speaker 2: That Elliott Page, Yeah, Elliott p Why why did you

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Speaker 2: do this?

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Speaker 1: But apart from that, it was actually a pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: film and I even sort of a good spiritual message.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a story of Odysseus trying to make

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Speaker 1: his way home and all the obstacles he has to

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Speaker 1: overcome and the various Greek gods he has to face

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Speaker 1: off with. And to me it was a message of

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Speaker 1: you know, returning home, home to God, home to what

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Speaker 1: is true. But I enjoyed it. It was an hour

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Speaker 1: too long for me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Spider Man was similar. It was like a really

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Speaker 2: good I haven't seen in these like it. I think

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Speaker 2: it's weird that major blockbuster movies are having these kind

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Speaker 2: of biblical undertones to them.

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Speaker 1: And just see how Christian films and series like the

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Speaker 1: House of David the Chosen, I mean, really the quality

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Speaker 1: of Christian filmmaking has increased dramatically. Yes, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know you've interviewed John R. When and John and

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Speaker 1: John Is. You know, he's on the cutting edge. His

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Speaker 1: brother Ry really talented over there Kingdom. They used to

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Speaker 1: do more together, but now they're both than separate projects.

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Speaker 1: And you know, with all the films they've done, and

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Speaker 1: of course Dallas Jenkins, Yes, with their Chos Gibson's got

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Speaker 1: you know, sequels to the Passion coming out. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: I love this because it's a great way to reach people.

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Speaker 1: It can open their heart up for the preaching of

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Speaker 1: the gospel.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would. I also love about John Is. He's

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Speaker 2: he really is on the cutting edge of the tests

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Speaker 2: and so he's not afraid of technology. He's leaning in

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Speaker 2: and he's charging it.

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Speaker 1: He's actually doing stuff no one else is doing right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's using EI yes.

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Speaker 1: And other things kind of like but they've done with Mandalorian,

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Speaker 1: but he's taking it to the next level in an

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Speaker 1: amazing way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing great. So I think what Hollywood is noticing,

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Speaker 2: I think is some of the shift that's happening. They're

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Speaker 2: starting to see it. They're making investments and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of everything they're doing. I love

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Speaker 2: The Chosen, I love House of David. We watched those regularly.

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Speaker 2: Momento is a really good movie. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: anybody's ever seen seen that for a lot. That's I

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Speaker 2: think Christopher Nolan's first out.

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Speaker 1: So you're a big Christopher Nolan.

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Speaker 2: I love Christopher and you could see some of his

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Speaker 2: worldview sneak in. I think he grew up Catholics, so

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Speaker 2: you can real see some of these themes. I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna say they're biblical themes in the movies, but there's

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Speaker 2: definitely Christian worldview things sneaking in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Russin, like, are there go to scriptures that

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Speaker 1: you find yourself turning to over and over again, like

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Speaker 1: maybe when you're stressed out about something uncertain about your future?

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Speaker 1: Like these are verses I go to and I remind

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Speaker 1: myself of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oddly enough, the verse, the first verse I memorize

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Speaker 2: is often a verse I.

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Speaker 1: Go back to.

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Speaker 2: It's Matthew seven seven asking it will be given. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: seeking you will find knocking the door that will be open.

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Speaker 2: And that's in the context of prayer. So I just

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Speaker 2: preached this message on the paradox of prayer and how

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Speaker 2: does our prayers work with God's sovereignty? And I just

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Speaker 2: said that stuff's above my pay grade. But what I

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Speaker 2: do know is I'm called to pray to God, pray

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Speaker 2: to called the commune with God, called to pray for

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Speaker 2: other people. And I often find myself just going back

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Speaker 2: to that Matthew seven to seven.

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Speaker 1: That's great, And there's an as sending intensity to the

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Speaker 1: words that are used to ask, seek not It gets

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Speaker 1: a little more aggressive. And of course it's something you

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Speaker 1: do continuously, you know, because some sence we pray about

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Speaker 1: things and we don't get an answer, or we don't

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Speaker 1: like the answer we get, which is basically no or wait.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we should stop praying. You know,

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Speaker 1: Paul had a storn in the flesh. We don't know

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Speaker 1: what it was. Exactly three times he asked the Lord

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Speaker 1: to take it away. But there are other times you pray,

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Speaker 1: and you pray like you know, I love Acts twelve

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Speaker 1: where James was killed, Peter was put in prison, and

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Speaker 1: we read constant prayer was offered for him to God

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Speaker 1: by the church and it was like boom, the prayer

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Speaker 1: was answered in fact, the prayer was answered so quickly

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Speaker 1: that when Peter showed up at the house of the

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Speaker 1: place where the people were praying and a girl named

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Speaker 1: Rhoda answers the door, she can't believe it's Peter.

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Speaker 2: Like what you know.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes the Lord will take his sweet time because

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Speaker 1: he has his timing. In other times boom, just you

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Speaker 1: have not because you asked the eye right.

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Speaker 2: And then James talks about sometimes we ask with bad motives.

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Speaker 2: So the motives of the art. I think it's huge.

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Speaker 2: So the motives, the prayer, the asking. And then I

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Speaker 2: love this quote. They quote it to Augustine. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's an Augustined quote, but it's pray like it

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Speaker 2: all depends on God, and work like it all depends

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Speaker 2: on you. And so I think when we when we're waiting,

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Speaker 2: usually there's some work that we need to be doing

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Speaker 2: in the process. That's okay, Well, thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: your time. It's great being with great Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: This is a this is a huge blessing.

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Speaker 1: Thanks