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Speaker 1: It's ash Wednesday. I hope you are observing today. If

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Speaker 1: you are Christian, if you're a Catholic, go get your ashes,

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Speaker 1: go to mass. I have a word of advice from

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Speaker 1: my friends in the priesthood, letting masses need to be short.

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Speaker 1: They don't need music. People have to go to work,

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Speaker 1: they don't need sermons. They just need to happen.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: There are ASH Wednesday services late in the day after

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Speaker 1: work that are fine, that can go longer and can

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Speaker 1: have music, but really, the morning Mask, the noon Mass,

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Speaker 1: they need to be thirty five minutes. We don't need music.

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Speaker 1: People want to go to Mass and lent. Just let

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Speaker 1: them go to Mass. It's not it's not Sunday. And

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Speaker 1: I understand a lot of people are in the liturgical

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Speaker 1: music business and they want to perform for the Lord

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Speaker 1: and for the congregation.

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Speaker 2: But that's not the way to do Lent.

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Speaker 1: You know, the very best descriptions that led I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: come to the war in a second I've ever read

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Speaker 1: was in Wolf's Hall, which was an upside down novel

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Speaker 1: that made Thomas Moore the bad guy, and that was bad.

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Speaker 2: But they did talk about.

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Speaker 1: Lent in the era of Henry the eighth, and they

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Speaker 1: really went all in back then. Now it's like Lent

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Speaker 1: light even for Catholics. I do is fast and abstained

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Speaker 1: on ash Wednesday and Good Friday, and then abstain from

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Speaker 1: meat on Friday and any other any other devotions or

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Speaker 1: sacrifices you want to make in order to sort of

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Speaker 1: observe the season of penance and repentance. The Pope went

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Speaker 1: way out on a limb yesterday and asked every cathol

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Speaker 1: like to please not use harsh words about their neighbor. Now,

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Speaker 1: that's not good for my business, but I'll try and

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Speaker 1: go along with that. But I still got to play

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Speaker 1: you the news. And I'm sure not going to be

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Speaker 1: rooting for the Ayatola and the fanatics in Iran because

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Speaker 1: we're on the brink of war. All of the bulletins

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Speaker 1: coming from Israel are that they've gone into their defensive crouch.

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Speaker 1: They've alerted everyone to be ready for conflict. We've got

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Speaker 1: the biggest mass forces that we've had anywhere in the

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Speaker 1: world since prior to the Iraq invasion in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three. And it doesn't look like Iran wants to

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Speaker 1: actually capitulate on the things that needs to capitulate on.

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Speaker 1: Stop killing your people, Stop supporting Hamas Hezbalah and the UTIs,

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Speaker 1: Stop building missiles and infect, disarm, and abandon attempts to

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Speaker 1: enrich and rebuild your obliterated nuclear program. Four asks don't

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Speaker 1: have to destroy you that people might rise up against you.

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Speaker 1: You've murdered thirty five thousand people. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is Barack Obama right on schedule. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Ben Rhodes, the Metternich of ms NOW in the Architect

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Speaker 1: of the Echo Chamber, posted eighteen minutes ago, no legal

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Speaker 1: basis and no debate in Congress about what could be

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Speaker 1: a major war with no clear sense of what the

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Speaker 1: objective is or what comes next.

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Speaker 2: Huh. Kind of like Libya in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that the NATO operation that went on

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Speaker 1: months and months, took out Kadaffi.

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Speaker 2: Though Kadaffi was.

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Speaker 1: Not making war on his neighbors, he was a repressive dictator.

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Speaker 2: He was bad for the world, and NATO went in

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Speaker 2: didn't have a plan.

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Speaker 1: There's still a civil war going on there, but there

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Speaker 1: was no congressional authorization or maybe Bill Clinton supporting the

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Speaker 1: war in Serbia with General Wes Clark in charge of

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Speaker 1: it in nineteen ninety nine that went on for seventy

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Speaker 1: eight days air campaign. So look, there's one standard which

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Speaker 1: the president gets to ordered if he wants to, and

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Speaker 1: Congress can cut off the money if they want to.

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Speaker 1: Congress isn't going to cut off the money Congress want,

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Speaker 1: says to happen. Left wing nutters who envisioned some kind

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Speaker 1: of nirvana with Iran.

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Speaker 2: The Rhodes people, they've been wrong.

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Speaker 1: They've been wrong since President Obama came up with It

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Speaker 1: would have been great if he'd been asked that on

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Speaker 1: Friday night, but he wasn't, and he's not getting tough questions.

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Speaker 2: I JD.

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Speaker 1: Evance did on Monday from Martha McCollum. Here is the

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Speaker 1: Vice President talking to Martha on yesterday, actually Tuesday, cut number.

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Speaker 3: One well, I'm obviously not going to make an announcements today.

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Speaker 3: I think the President has a lot of options. We

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Speaker 3: do have a very powerful military. The President's shown a

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Speaker 3: He shown a willingness to use that too, And so

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Speaker 3: what the President has been very clear with the Iranians,

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Speaker 3: and actually I just talked to Steve Wook Golf and

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Speaker 3: the United States has certain red lines. Our primary interest

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Speaker 3: gets a nuclear weapon. There are a lot of othermes,

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Speaker 3: some friendly, some not so friendly, who would get nuclear

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Speaker 3: American people because then you have these crazy regimes all

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the things the President has said

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Speaker 3: he's going to prevent. Now, we would very much like, as.

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Speaker 4: The President has said, to resolve.

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Speaker 3: This through a conversation and a diplomatic negotiation. But the

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Speaker 3: President has all options on the table. And you know,

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Speaker 3: one thing about the negotiation. I will say this morning,

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Speaker 3: is you know, in some ways it went well, they

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Speaker 3: agreed to meet afterwards. But in other way is it

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Speaker 3: was very clear that the President has set some red

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Speaker 3: lines that the Iranians are not yet willing to actually

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Speaker 3: acknowledge and work through. So we're going to keep on

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Speaker 3: working it. But of course the President reserves the ability

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Speaker 3: to say when he thinks that diplomacy has reached its

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Speaker 3: natural end. We hope it will get to that point,

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Speaker 3: but if we do, that'll be the president's call.

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Speaker 1: He also talked about the difference between his speech at

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Speaker 1: Munich and the speech that Marco Ribio gave this weekend.

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Speaker 1: His speech was last year cut number three.

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Speaker 5: Rubio, Secretary State, was there. Gave a speech that had

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Speaker 5: a lot of similar underpinnings to it. But they were

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Speaker 5: applauding and they thought it was great.

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Speaker 3: So what happened with that?

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Speaker 2: Why is that the outcool?

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Speaker 3: Well I heard somebody say that I was the bad cop,

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Speaker 3: so that Marco could be a good cop. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he gave a great speech, but he drove home I

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Speaker 3: think a very important point that the Europeans have largely forgotten,

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Speaker 3: is that the reason why the President or Marco or

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Speaker 3: me talk about borders, the reason why we talk about

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Speaker 3: them spending more on their own security, the reason that

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Speaker 4: It's not that we don't respect our allies. It's that they.

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Speaker 3: Are doing a lot of things to sabotage themselves. We

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Speaker 1: And here's what the Vice President had to say about

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Speaker 4: Martha, you bring me on your show.

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Speaker 3: You show me the most uncomfortable twenty seconds of television

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Speaker 6: I take away from them there, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a person who doesn't know what

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Speaker 3: Does anybody really believe that AOC has very thoughtful ideas about.

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Speaker 1: The mister vice president? But you're getting close to the

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Speaker 1: Pope's landline, so we'll leave it there, and then the

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Speaker 1: vice president, I'm the former President Obama cut number five.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the president will do what he thinks

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Speaker 3: isn't the best interest in the American people. I think

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Speaker 3: he's shown very clearly that he has not Broughck Obama.

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Speaker 3: He takes a much different approach to America's national security,

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Speaker 3: and he's much more willing to act aggressively to defend

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Speaker 3: America's national security. But the President of the United States

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Speaker 3: is very much trying to find a solution here, whether

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Speaker 3: that the Iranians cannot have a nuclear weapon. That has

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Speaker 3: always been the main focus. If you go back to

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Speaker 4: A nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 3: I think it's very important for the American people to

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Speaker 4: You can't have people.

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Speaker 3: Like that have the most dangerous weapon known to man.

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Speaker 3: It would be awful for our security, would be awful

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Speaker 3: for the future of our children. That is the goal

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Speaker 5: As well.

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Speaker 1: After an interview and after the alert in Israel, crude

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Speaker 1: oil is up by four point six percent today is

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Speaker 1: sixty five dollars a barrel.

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Speaker 2: And I expect that we'll get higher and higher and higher.

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Speaker 1: Especially it'll pick spike when the war begins, and I

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm Hew Hewett. Noah Rothman, senior writer

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Speaker 1: And so Ben Rhoads posted, and so I'm going to

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Speaker 7: The Iranians might face a situation where it's not like

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Speaker 1: I think thousands of Americans could die. It's unlikely, but

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Speaker 4: It is really scary.

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Speaker 7: But this is a national project that deserves to be pursued.

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Speaker 7: But Donald Trump has to ask the American public to

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Speaker 1: Because we have said Noah Rothman and I thank you

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. State Tum, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. I'm joined now by Mary

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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, Mary Catherine, would you

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Speaker 8: I am doing daily or near daily readings of primary

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Speaker 1: Paul Giamadi as Adam, maybe the equal mini television never made.

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine. I want to turn now first to the

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Speaker 1: funny part of today's getting hammered. Who do you look like?

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Speaker 1: You know when you walk up to you? Did anyone

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Speaker 1: ever tell you look like X? That's happened to me

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. The first time was at the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven Game four, when the Indians went

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Speaker 1: up three to one against the Red Sox in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: I was there with my brother Pat Wilson and Rob

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Speaker 1: Ganary and a guy comes up and he says, are

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Speaker 1: you Stephen King?

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Speaker 2: And that was actually horrible, you know, I think that

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Speaker 2: was terrible.

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Speaker 1: But then, of course I've had a long running gag

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Speaker 1: with Peter Kinder, former lieutenant governor of Missouri, because what

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Speaker 1: do you think does Peter Kinner do it?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I can see it a little.

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Speaker 2: So who do you get compared to?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: My, this is the thing.

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Speaker 8: You have to go super flattering, and when people talk

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Speaker 8: to me, they go super flattering, and it's but then

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Speaker 8: you're stuck on the other side, which is people go, wait,

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Speaker 8: you're totally not as hot as Jessica Biel.

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Speaker 5: Who is who I get hair to sometimes? Nev Campbell

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Speaker 5: another one.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I've got one for you body. I look up

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Speaker 9: her name because I can't remember it. It's an old

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Speaker 9: movie star who I love a lot, and it's Oh,

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Speaker 9: come on, Audrey Heppern Tiffany. So do you ever get that?

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 5: But that's far too kind as well, and I will

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Speaker 5: take it.

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Speaker 2: No take that.

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Speaker 1: I think you look like Audrey Heppern. You have to

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Speaker 1: change your hair a little bit more than you have now.

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Speaker 1: Talking about hair, my dad used to cut our hair

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Speaker 1: three boys. Took about fifteen minutes total. He had a clipper.

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Speaker 1: We were buzzed. Why doesn't husband just go and buzz

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Speaker 1: the little boy?

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Speaker 8: Okay, So I gave my son his first haircut. He's

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Speaker 8: three years old. It was getting a little out of control.

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Speaker 8: The reason is because I like to cut hair. I

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Speaker 8: think it's a fun.

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Speaker 5: Thing to learn, and my children are my guinea pigs.

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Speaker 8: I will also tell you that as a child, we

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Speaker 8: didn't have a lot of money, and so my dad

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Speaker 8: cut all of our hair. My dad cut his own

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Speaker 8: hair and then he cut all three kids. I was

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Speaker 8: the only girl, so guess what. And my mom had

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Speaker 8: short hair.

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Speaker 5: We all had the same haircut.

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Speaker 8: I had short hair till I was like eight or nine,

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Speaker 8: and I finally was like, I think I'm going to

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Speaker 8: grow it out a little.

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Speaker 5: So that's where the tomboys side of me probably came from.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you were.

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Speaker 1: Telling you about cutting your son's hair, you were like

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Speaker 1: the fetching missus Hue at thirty five years ago. She

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Speaker 1: did not want to cut our oldest son's hair. I

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Speaker 1: think he was like a hippie until the age of three,

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Speaker 1: but he had curls, and she keepts.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't take the curls. And you know her little

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Speaker 1: Prince Edward's stuff. I hated it. But moms are in

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Speaker 1: charge right when it comes to haircuts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the curl the curls are irresistible.

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Speaker 8: And you know, if you have a little boy, sometimes

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Speaker 8: that might be the only time in their life that

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Speaker 8: they'll have those little curls in that long hair.

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Speaker 5: You get a little leeway at the beginning, so you

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Speaker 5: take it.

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Speaker 1: I do want to we'll come back and talk about

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Speaker 1: the war on the serious side with Mary Catherine after this,

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Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you the peaking Duck place.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it peaking duck or is it peaking gourmet that

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Speaker 1: you guys were talking about.

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Speaker 5: It's peaking gourmee. But we were specifically referencing the duck,

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Speaker 5: which is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was not fair about that episode.

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Speaker 1: It's ash Wednesday, Mary Catherine, So listening to you two

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Speaker 1: talk about Chinese food, it's not even fair. And you

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Speaker 1: taped it on Fat Tuesday, but it drops on ash Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: So you guys could go get your chicom food last

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Speaker 1: night and we can't do it till tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's not really very nice.

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Speaker 5: That's a very smart programming note.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to put that down for future Fat Tuesday

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Speaker 8: programming that we need to make sure we're on schedule.

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Speaker 1: Do you do do the Protestants do anything on ash

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Speaker 1: Wednesday like the Catholics do?

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Speaker 8: Not really, but I do sometimes observe went because I

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Speaker 8: think it's healthy to meditate and to pray about what

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Speaker 8: Easter means.

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Speaker 5: As it's upcoming. So I will do some special Bible

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Speaker 5: studies and work.

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Speaker 1: Well. When we come back, I'll tell you how the

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Speaker 1: Pope is screwed up my lent already. Don't go anywhere America.

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Speaker 1: Mary Catherine will be back for a second segment, except

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Speaker 1: go like and follow getting Hammered with Vic and Mary Katherine,

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Speaker 1: and you'll get the America to fifty bit bits from

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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine as well.

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Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Welking back Mary Katherine Ham. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere America because she is back. Mary Catherine the Pope

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Speaker 1: yesterday posted this to Catholics around the world. I would

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Speaker 1: like to invite you to a very practical and frequently

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Speaker 1: underappreciated form of abstinence, that of refraining from words that

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Speaker 1: offend and hurt our neighbor. That's very, very untimely for

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Speaker 1: me because Ben Rhodes has entered the room and is

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Speaker 1: tutting us about not having national authorization for striking Iran.

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Speaker 2: So what's response to mister.

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Speaker 1: Rhodes given the twenty eleven war against Libya that had

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Speaker 1: no authorization, the nineteen ninety nine war against Jegoslavia Serbia

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Speaker 1: that had no authorization, and a number of US I mean, how.

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Speaker 2: Do you answer, Ben? He's the matter nick of ns Now.

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Speaker 5: He's also just not a reliable narrator.

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Speaker 8: This is the architect of tricking US and the whole

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Speaker 8: media and enlisting them to lie about the JCPOA.

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Speaker 5: For all these years.

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Speaker 8: Sure he wants another JCPOA, even though it doesn't do

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Speaker 8: what it was advertised as doing when he was running

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Speaker 8: his communications strategy about that with the American media.

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Speaker 5: Although I could give you my AOC answer, which is, you.

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Speaker 8: Know, I think that this is such a you know,

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Speaker 8: I think that this is a long time policy of

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Speaker 8: the US.

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Speaker 5: That's my other answer.

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Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to say that the Pope told me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not That would be mean to AOC. How am

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Speaker 1: I going to do this job for forty days?

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Speaker 8: I don't know, I see. I feel like you want

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Speaker 8: to just narrow that funnel to hurtful words. Is just

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Speaker 8: like cuss words.

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Speaker 1: But it just might mean my actual physical neighbors, right,

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Speaker 1: I always.

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Speaker 2: Wave with there you go.

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Speaker 1: It could be that. Let's go to the question, the

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Speaker 1: very serious question. I think we're on the cusp of

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Speaker 1: a very big battle, if not a war. Do you

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Speaker 1: agree with me?

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Speaker 8: It feels that way for sure, And like you and

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Speaker 8: I have talked about, I think Trump would like to

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Speaker 8: preserve his threat credibility, which I think he, you know,

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Speaker 8: told everyone that there was going to be something happening here.

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Speaker 5: I have no doubt that we're doing something behind the

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Speaker 5: scenes as well.

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Speaker 8: My only hesitation to say that the things are well

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Speaker 8: underway is that they've been very very secret about things

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Speaker 8: that have happened in the past with Maduro and with

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Speaker 8: the B two bomber strikes on on a run in

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Speaker 8: the past, and this one seems a little louder and

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Speaker 8: a little bit more noticeable what they're up to.

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Speaker 5: So I'm I'm not sure if we're being tricked a

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Speaker 5: little bit.

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Speaker 1: Well, the dimaggiadis out there. That means people who live

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Speaker 1: and do a long, long stretch of you, Hughit shows

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Speaker 1: we'll remember when Mary Catherine and Guy Benson used to

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Speaker 1: sit in for me when I went on vacation. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going on vacation next week, celebrating my seventieth birthday

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Speaker 1: with the fetching missus Schwett taking a week off, and

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Speaker 1: it's inevitable in my view that it will happen next

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Speaker 1: week because news always happened when you and Guy were

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Speaker 1: in for me.

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Speaker 2: Am I not right. News always happened.

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Speaker 5: That is true. That is true. We did encounter large

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Speaker 5: news stories when you were gone.

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Speaker 2: So it's like clockwork.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to go off on Sunday night

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Speaker 1: when I get up into the air and can't turn

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Speaker 1: around Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 2: If it does last. We did have the.

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Speaker 1: Serbian air campaign seventy eight days nineteen ninety nine. We

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Speaker 1: had the Libyan air campaign months and months till Kadafi

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Speaker 1: fell in twenty eleven. Do you have any idea in

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Speaker 1: your mind what you think is acceptable to the American

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Speaker 1: people for an air campaign, provided that there is no

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Speaker 1: mass casualty event with the American troops.

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Speaker 8: I think it has to be relatively short, and it

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Speaker 8: has to be well explained what is happening.

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Speaker 5: If you don't make a sustained.

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Speaker 8: Comm's campaign for the thing that you're doing, I think

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Speaker 8: people can get antsy pretty quickly within a week or two,

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Speaker 8: I would say, And that will change if you show

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Speaker 8: leadership and you tell them why you're doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 8: But I think they have a lot of concerns on

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Speaker 8: the ground about their own lives, and if you're not

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Speaker 8: making clear why risks are being taken and why things

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Speaker 8: are happening and why we're using force, then they will

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Speaker 8: not accept that for very long.

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Speaker 2: My beauty of.

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Speaker 1: Them to the bombing and Iran and in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three and after nine to eleven, w stepped up.

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Speaker 1: But he had a lot of good communicators. He had

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Speaker 1: Secretary Rumsfeld almost every day at the Pentagon, Chairman of

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Speaker 1: the Joint Chiefs Meers, under chairman or deputy Chairman Peter Pace.

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Speaker 1: They had a lot of good people talking around the

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Speaker 1: like Dick Cheney did some interviews. Who's going to be

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Speaker 1: that President Trump is not great on long form addresses

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Speaker 1: explaining stuff the vice president is. Do you expect Jad

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Speaker 1: to take the lead on this.

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Speaker 8: I think he will do some of it, but honestly,

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Speaker 8: I would imagine that Rubio is doing a lot of

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Speaker 8: it as well, and the two of them can be

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Speaker 8: very clear about what's happening, and I hope they are

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Speaker 8: speaking frequently about it, because that is what's required when

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Speaker 8: you are putting forces in some harm's way, even if

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Speaker 8: it's minimal, and you have to make your pitch to

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Speaker 8: the American people so that they stay behind you on it.

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Speaker 1: So I want to close by talking about the talking

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Speaker 1: filibuster and Merrick Katherine. I don't want you to be

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Speaker 1: drawn into this unnecessarily, but Kim Strassel and I think

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Speaker 1: it's the worst idea ever because we know something about

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Speaker 1: the Senate rules. Mike Lee says, no, no, no, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to We're not going to do the nuclear option.

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Speaker 1: This can be done on existing precedent. If that's the case,

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Speaker 1: then Kim Strassel laid out how it becomes a nightmare

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Speaker 1: and a quagmire for the Republican Are you on either

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Speaker 1: side of this debate.

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Speaker 8: Yet I am on the more cautious side of the debate.

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Speaker 8: I get worried very much about taking out these pillars

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Speaker 8: that sort of allow things to be more deliberative, because

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Speaker 8: the second that things are not deliberative, and I know

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Speaker 8: that the Senate can be a pain, but the second

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Speaker 8: that it's not a pain anymore and things are sailing

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Speaker 8: through there, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Not going to be happy. I don't want a bunch

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Speaker 5: of things passed very quickly.

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Speaker 2: You see.

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Speaker 1: That is the essence of being a conservative. Government cannot

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Speaker 1: do a lot of good. All they can really do

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Speaker 1: is defend the country and build highways. That's all they

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Speaker 1: can effectively do. Everything else ought to be just money

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Speaker 1: to the states and let the states do it. I

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Speaker 1: don't want the Senate reforming everything that it wants to reform.

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Speaker 1: And there might be some rules for federal elections, but

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Speaker 1: this one is probably not even constitutional.

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Speaker 2: Have you studied the same Act?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I have concerns about it as well. Even

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Speaker 5: though the goal of it sounds great, but I am

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Speaker 5: unsure of the mechanism and the way of doing that

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Speaker 5: from the federal government down. And even though it's a

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Speaker 5: very popular idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay, last question, because you have the crystal ball for

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Speaker 1: the Getting Hammered podcast, is Justice Alito going to retire?

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Speaker 5: Oh, let's just say yes.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's what the little Black Epe ball. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, I think he's going to step down.

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Speaker 1: How about Justice Thomas.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Thomas.

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Speaker 2: We are in agreement.

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Speaker 1: That's why Mary Catherine with a great guest host in

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Speaker 1: the days when she could guest host with Guy Benson

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Speaker 1: and it would provoke news. Next week it's Kurt Schlickter.

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Speaker 1: At least you have a colonel who can explain what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. MK Hammer on X follow and like Getting Hammered,

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Speaker 1: make sure that you follow Getting Hammered, because you'll also

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Speaker 1: get not only Vic and Mary Catherine, you will get

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Speaker 1: the America to fifty series from Mary Catherine as she

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Speaker 1: reads from the Framers and the Founder's important fits of

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Speaker 1: American history two hundred and fifty years down the road.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned America on Juju Hewett. Welcome to this Wednesday

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Speaker 1: edition of The Huge Hewitt Shack. I have been following

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Speaker 1: Robert Greenway for a long time, though he's never been

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Speaker 1: on the program before. Long and distinguished career in Special Forces,

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Speaker 1: long and distinguished career at the National Security Council to

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Speaker 1: Defense Intelligence Agency. He now directs the Allison Center on

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Speaker 1: National Security at the Heritage Foundation. Robert Greenway, welcome the program.

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Speaker 1: I'm honored to have you on, sir. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me.

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Speaker 10: It's a great pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Now, every first time guest get the same two questions.

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Speaker 1: Robert was algierhis a communist spy. I'd have to say, yes, good, good,

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Speaker 1: right answer. Have you read the Looming Tower?

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Speaker 10: Yes, but it's been a few years.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's okay, we're on the same page. That

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Speaker 1: puts you in like one tenth of one percent of

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Speaker 1: my guests. They don't know about HISS. They're too they're

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Speaker 1: too young. But you're old enough and you know your history, Robert.

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Speaker 1: I need to know what you think is going to

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Speaker 1: happen in Iran, the order of battles, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Not whether we're going to have a conflict. They think

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Speaker 1: we're going to have a conflict, and boy, if you

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Speaker 1: disagree with may tell me. But I want to know

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Speaker 1: what you'd think unfolds in terms of step one, two, three, four, five.

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Speaker 10: Sure, happy to do it.

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Speaker 11: I think the sequence of events has been something that

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Speaker 11: most of the public has now seen displayed relative to Iran.

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Speaker 11: The Twelve Day War was the last time in which

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Speaker 11: we were able to see it unfold. I think the

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Speaker 11: president now as marshaled sufficient force the theater is what

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Speaker 11: military experts would consider set or prepared to exercise the

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Speaker 11: options presented to the president, which encompasses the strikes he

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Speaker 11: may direct, but also more importantly is deterrence and response

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Speaker 11: should the Iranians retell you with what is left what

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Speaker 11: I think is likely to happen. Normally in this series

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Speaker 11: of events, you'd see the first step is to blind

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Speaker 11: your adversary, basically to administer anesthesia so that you can

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Speaker 11: operate with impunity.

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Speaker 10: But the Twelve Day War and.

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Speaker 11: Israel's actions in US support has allowed that to occur.

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Speaker 11: So air defenses are largely gone over the horizon, radar

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Speaker 11: detection sites are destroyed and have been restored, and their

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Speaker 11: ability to do command control communications for or an integrated

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Speaker 11: air defense and coordinated response to any strike has also

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Speaker 11: been radically altered. The only leaders left in the country

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Speaker 11: are the ones that were determined to be best suited.

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Speaker 11: In other words, the least competent to withstand direct attack

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Speaker 11: and respond accordingly, and so I think we're in good

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Speaker 11: position to see decisive action taken against their critical targets,

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Speaker 11: which are probably regime leadership, potentially nuclear infrastructure to further

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Speaker 11: degrade beyond what Midnight Hammer was able to do, and

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Speaker 11: then most importantly, the retaliatory capacity of Iran. Principally it's

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Speaker 11: ballistic this will program, but also its ability to disrupt

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Speaker 11: global trade and energy markets by closing the strain of

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Speaker 11: our moves, and so naval and maritime ability to mine

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Speaker 11: the straight would also be potentially within view.

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Speaker 10: Lastly, i'd say their energy infrastructure.

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Speaker 11: If the President decided he could prevent them from being

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Speaker 11: an oil exporter for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 10: All those targets are extremely vulnerable.

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Speaker 11: There are repercussions, of course, but those certainly could also

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Speaker 11: be part of it. The last series of targets that

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Speaker 11: could be hit are those which allow the regime it's

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Speaker 11: population and control both their telecommunications infrastructure and also the

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Speaker 11: besiege and element of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps that

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Speaker 11: suppresses the population most brutally and of course administers the

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Speaker 11: executions that they said they would not do, but of

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Speaker 11: course they have.

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Speaker 1: Now, Robert Greenway, that target list that you just laid out,

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Speaker 1: how many different missions do you think that requires by

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Speaker 1: either our aircraft, our allies aircraft, or special forces on

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Speaker 1: the ground about which we know nothing.

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Speaker 11: Well, I'd say, since we can skip the first three steps,

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Speaker 11: this patient has already been an esthetized, it doesn't have

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Speaker 11: the ability to see or respond to an initial attack,

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Speaker 11: we can jump right into decisive strike. And I think

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Speaker 11: there are more than enough assets both in the region

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Speaker 11: and certainly that are Konus based, like we saw in

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Speaker 11: Midnight Hammer, that can execute strikes against command, controlling their

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Speaker 11: communications infrastructure, their retaliatory capacity, and most importantly, further degrade

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Speaker 11: the nuclear program. So I think all of that could

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Speaker 11: happen within a forty eight to seventy two hours cycle

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Speaker 11: longer if we need to restrike a target for any reason.

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Speaker 1: Now the Wall Street Journal today posting an article that

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Speaker 1: had in it the Iranian leadership has adopted a quote

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Speaker 1: mosaic strategy, pushing command and control over their troops down

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Speaker 1: the ladder so that the Supreme Leader doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: get involved, the IERGC command structure doesn't have to get involved.

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, that's a good way for a

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Speaker 1: colonel to decide to turn his weapons on the regime.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's an interesting idea, but I don't

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Speaker 11: think it works in their system. It's not built to

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Speaker 11: do it, and I don't think anyone in their system

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Speaker 11: feels the ability or latitude to take decisions. But most importantly,

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Speaker 11: they don't have the capacity to do it, with the

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Speaker 11: exception of the ballistic missile program, and to a slighter extent,

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Speaker 11: for closer targets in the region, their UAV and drone program,

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Speaker 11: so that's the iergc's aerospace force. They might alone have

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Speaker 11: the ability to launch a retaliatory strike of any consequence,

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Speaker 11: but I'm not sure any of them have the latitude

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Speaker 11: to do it. And again, most of their competent leaders

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Speaker 11: were killed during the Twelve Day One, including.

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Speaker 10: Their head, a man by the name of Ali Hassan Johnny.

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Speaker 11: So I think we're in good shape there, and I

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Speaker 11: don't think the Mosaic Plan constitutes a threat to the

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Speaker 11: United States.

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Speaker 1: But by pushing it down, I'll make a second run

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Speaker 1: at this. I wasn't good at explaining what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when the private army turned on Moscow

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Speaker 1: and began marching towards Moscow and he's now dead, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't carry through with it. By the mosaic strategy,

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Speaker 1: are they empowering their local leaders to possibly turn on

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Speaker 1: the Ayatolas?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's certainly a possibility. I also think

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Speaker 11: that the stress that the regime is under, and certainly

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Speaker 11: the protests we've seen from the Iranian citizens responding to

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Speaker 11: forty plus years of repression has created I think a

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Speaker 11: situation where local forces have to make a decision. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 11: the preponderance of power is held within the Islamic Refuse

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Speaker 11: Late Guard Corps, not the armed forces itself. I think

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Speaker 11: they are very unlikely to turn on the regime in

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Speaker 11: its current form. They might substitute the current leader for

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Speaker 11: someone more ap pliable and someone more hard line than

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Speaker 11: comm and eye is believe it or not, but I

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Speaker 11: don't think the possibility of the broader armed forces turning

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Speaker 11: against the regime is either likely or necessarily consequential. The

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Speaker 11: most likely scenarios involved removing the capacity of the IRGC

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Speaker 11: to repress the population.

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Speaker 10: That may be among the strikes the United States takes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Greenway. Our allies are very nervous, not just Israel,

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Speaker 1: but our Gulf allies, especially Cutter. They're the closest and

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Speaker 1: the short range missile of Fuselid canreak them. Would the

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Speaker 1: Iranians be that stupid because that's a regional war that

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Speaker 1: bring in everyone against the one.

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Speaker 11: Well, they're not famous for the best decisions, so I

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Speaker 11: don't know that we can count on I don't know

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Speaker 11: we can count on rationality. They're afraid, I think, but

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Speaker 11: perhaps less so because again during the Twelve Day War,

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Speaker 11: there was sufficient deterrence capacity in the United States, and

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Speaker 11: certainly President Trump has demonstrated the will it had been

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Speaker 11: previously lacking in other US administrations. I think it's unlikely

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Speaker 11: the Iranians are going to escalate to that point. However,

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Speaker 11: it is possible for them to do so. It's also

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Speaker 11: why we've seen a massive flow of air defense assets

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Speaker 11: into the region to add what was already there. So

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Speaker 11: I think our defensive capacity is sufficient. I think the

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Speaker 11: Iranians are less likely to escalate because it would be

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Speaker 11: complete annihilation, and I think the assets are in place

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Speaker 11: to defend appropriately. I think our allies are a little

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Speaker 11: less concerned they might have been, say, six months ago.

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Speaker 1: Now the nineteen ninety nine campaign against Serbia or Yugoslavia

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Speaker 1: and Mononegro with seventy eight days of bombing before Serbia

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Speaker 1: threw in the cards. It took months in twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: to get Kadafi to collapse.

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Speaker 2: How are we looking for regime collapse? Here? Are we

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Speaker 2: on that scale of an attack?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think it would take a lot less to

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Speaker 11: bring this regime to collapse, because it is, as we've

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Speaker 11: exposed in the last year or so in Israel, certainly

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Speaker 11: is exposed. It is a house of cards, it is

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Speaker 11: economies and tatters. Its internal infrastructure is absolutely negligible, Its

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Speaker 11: military capacity was a paper tiger, and all of that

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Speaker 11: was proven and demonstrated, and so there's very little, I

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Speaker 11: think effort required to get them to the point of

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Speaker 11: internal instability. So I think the president's options encompass a

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Speaker 11: broad range of targets that could really relinquish the capacity

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Speaker 11: of the Supreme Leader and those loyal to him to

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Speaker 11: repress the population. The question, of course, then becomes is

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Speaker 11: what is what is the substitute if they do in

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Speaker 11: fact collapse. Knowing that it wouldn't take much to bring

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Speaker 11: them to that point, and that, of course is the

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Speaker 11: question that everyone asks and no one, frankly can answer.

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Speaker 11: But I do think that their ability to threaten the neighborhood,

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Speaker 11: to threaten in the United States is radically diminished, and

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Speaker 11: if they were to have new leadership, it would be

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Speaker 11: substantially diminished beyond that. And I think that opens a

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Speaker 11: broad basted on horizon for a really a new Middle

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Speaker 11: East we've not seen in generations.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry about their ability to attack US naval

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Speaker 1: assets or a stationary basis or even something like Alisade

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Speaker 1: which they hit after Solimani was killed. Did fire ballistic

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Speaker 1: missiles which did hit the base we had evacuated, but

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Speaker 1: it has a GPS so they were able to hit it.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried about that?

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Speaker 10: It's always a concern.

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Speaker 11: They've got somewhere between two and three thousand ballistic missiles

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Speaker 11: medium range and longer that could range our infrastructure in

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Speaker 11: the region, and certainly they can range Israel and our

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Speaker 11: partners in allies, so it is a concern. However, I

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Speaker 11: would say that their capacity is significantly limited. Our ability

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Speaker 11: to detect and intercept is exceptional, and our capacity has

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Speaker 11: been significantly increased by the flow of forces into the

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Speaker 11: region to get the theater set. And I think our

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Speaker 11: capacity to destroy the remaining infrastructure with Israel support and assistance,

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Speaker 11: I think is equally high. So I think, sequenced properly,

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Speaker 11: I think we can diminish the threat to the point

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Speaker 11: where it no longer constitutes a grave risk to our infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, America. Robert Greenway's coming back. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about I know all of you always ask

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Speaker 1: me after I do one of these, what about the

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Speaker 1: Iranian submarines? I'll ask him, what about the Straits of Hormons.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask him. I'll ask him about the Shi militias

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Speaker 1: in Iraq as well, which answer to iron, We'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the Hotees. We'll talk about Hezbalah. He knows it all.

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Speaker 1: This guy's actually go read as I posted his resume.

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Speaker 1: Mister Greenway has been around. He knows of which he speaks.

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Speaker 1: And you don't want to listen to people online like

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Speaker 1: Ben Roads. And I'll bring up Ben Roads's post to

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Speaker 1: Robert Greenway as well when we go come back. In

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Speaker 1: the meantimes, don't go anywhere and stay tune of the

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Speaker 1: Salem News Channel. I'll be right back on the.

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Speaker 2: U Hewitt Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back in America, Hewitt Robert Greenway as the director of

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Speaker 1: the Herish Heritage Foundations Allison Center for National Security. Robert,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you were on the NSC under

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Speaker 1: my friend Robert O'Brien, or if you were there with h. R.

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Speaker 1: McMaster or with John Bolton, but you know who Ben

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Speaker 1: Rhodes is. He was also on the National Security Council.

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Speaker 1: He's a speech writer that ended up over there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how he ended up over there, but he

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Speaker 1: became the brain of Obama. And he has posted today

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Speaker 1: no legal basis and no debating Congress about what could

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Speaker 1: be a major war, with no clear sense of what

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Speaker 1: the objective is or what comes next. What's your response

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Speaker 1: is another NSCLM to that.

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Speaker 11: Well, first, I did have the pleasure of serving under

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Speaker 11: all three National Security Advisors that you mentioned, and it

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Speaker 11: was a privileged.

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 11: My response to I mean, Ben Rhodes, I think is

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Speaker 11: the only broken clock that is not right twelve day,

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Speaker 11: which I guess serves a purpose and in this case

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Speaker 11: again completely wrong, and that I think the President has

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Speaker 11: made it abundantly clear and in fact, he's done what

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Speaker 11: President Obama Ben's boss did not do, and that's document

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Speaker 11: what his objectives are. And so you can see remarkable

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Speaker 11: clarity in the first Trump administration with NSBM eleven and

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Speaker 11: the same directive, the same guidance and policy objective was

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Speaker 11: promulgated in the first week of the second Trump administration,

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Speaker 11: and it is exactly the same policy objective.

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Speaker 10: So he could be more wrong.

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Speaker 11: And of course he's probably not paying close attention to

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Speaker 11: what's happening. I think he just doesn't like seeing President

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Speaker 11: Trump succeed where his boss fail.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I also believe it. And tell

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Speaker 1: me if you think this is unfair, I want to

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Speaker 1: be fair to him. The palettes of cash that went

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Speaker 1: over in the JCPOA they paid for something. Might they

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Speaker 1: have paid for the bullets that mowed down thirty five

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Speaker 1: thousand Iranians.

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Speaker 11: Well, as Secretary of State Kerry admitted under congressional testimony,

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Speaker 11: funds are fungible. Money is fungible, and so any assets

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Speaker 11: provided to the Islamic Republic undoubtedly go to killing Americans,

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Speaker 11: our partners and allies. That is their only export other

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Speaker 11: than oil, and it's what they do with the oil

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Speaker 11: proceeds as well. So there's no question that that money,

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Speaker 11: that money was used in order to threaten the United States, Israel,

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Speaker 11: our partners and allies in the region, and our European

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Speaker 11: partners and allies as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go through the issues I mentioned

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Speaker 1: before the break. I often get questions because people read

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Speaker 1: about the fact that Iran has five submarines. Do they

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Speaker 1: have five submarines? Do we have to worry about them?

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Speaker 11: They do have five submarines, three or Russian Kilo casts

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Speaker 11: submarines they bought between nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 11: I believe there might be a more dangerous place to

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Speaker 11: be than serving on an Iranian submarine.

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Speaker 10: I just don't know what.

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Speaker 11: It is, and I don't think that we have anything

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Speaker 11: to worry about from the submarines or the Iranian navy.

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Speaker 11: So I would discard that as a viable threat. It

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Speaker 11: doesn't constitute one, and I wouldn't count so anyone to

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Speaker 11: be concerned.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Shad militias inside of Iraq,

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Speaker 1: and there may be some left in Syria.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, do you.

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Speaker 11: Yes, they have two different groups, the Zenabayun and the

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Speaker 11: Fatamiun both recruited outside of Syria to be employed there

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Speaker 11: and work with Lebani, says Bellah, who did a lot

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Speaker 11: of the heavy lifting for the Islamic Republic in Syria

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Speaker 11: and elsewhere. And I think there are residual elements that

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Speaker 11: are there, but I don't know how grave a threat

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Speaker 11: they constitute now in terms of the hostile Shabi or

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Speaker 11: the private military corporation essentially that exists inside of alb Iraq,

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Speaker 11: that is, the large Shiat militia now in the region

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Speaker 11: and in the Islamic Republic's greatest threat to the United States. However,

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Speaker 11: their inability to provide consistent resources and their diminished role

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Speaker 11: in the region has made them a little bit more autonomous,

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Speaker 11: still a grave threat, but probably less likely to respond

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Speaker 11: to demands. They also, though, have been providing manpower to

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Speaker 11: suppress the internal population and protests inside of Iran to

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Speaker 11: a certain extent, so they do have loyal followers. It

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Speaker 11: is the largest armed group inside of Iraq, exceeding the

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Speaker 11: regular military by a significant margin, and a threat certainly

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Speaker 11: to our infrastructure, even though President Trump has reduced our

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Speaker 11: presence in the region and limited our exposure.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry about American troops based in Iraq to

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Speaker 1: the extent that they were vulnerable in twenty twenty when

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Speaker 1: Solimani was killed. They got off of the base, they

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Speaker 1: scattered into the desert, but some were nevertheless injured by

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Speaker 1: those ballistic missiles. Do we have to worry about the Shaited.

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Speaker 2: Militias and the ballistic missiles in Iraq? We do.

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Speaker 11: I think both are a concern, But as I said before,

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Speaker 11: I think our ability to detect and respond to the

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Speaker 11: missile threat and to retaliate and in fact to degrade

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Speaker 11: it before they can employ it, I think is pretty significant.

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Speaker 10: The militias, on the other hand, are a little bit

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Speaker 10: more of a challenge.

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Speaker 11: However, I think under the circumstances, they don't judge that

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Speaker 11: Iran will come to their aid and assistance as they

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Speaker 11: once did, and I think they're very unlikely to poke

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Speaker 11: a fight with the United States, and the country itself

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Speaker 11: and its leadership ultimately is completely dependent upon the United

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Speaker 11: States still receives US dollars almost monthly in order to

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Speaker 11: keep the economy aflat and if that were suspended or

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Speaker 11: withdrawn the country we would be in a virtual collapse.

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Speaker 10: So I don't think anyone wants that to happen.

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Speaker 11: So I suspect they'll be measured in their response and

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Speaker 11: less likely to respond on behalf of Tehran.

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Speaker 1: So Robert Greenway, what is the ladder of escalation available

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Speaker 1: to Israel? Should they repeat the twelve day war experience,

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Speaker 1: but this time hit a city block with one of

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Speaker 1: their heavy ICBMs or Demona or something else that's sensitive.

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Speaker 1: What's Israel's ladder of escalation beyond hitting them again the

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Speaker 1: way they hit them, I assume the first day of

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Speaker 1: the war.

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Speaker 11: That's a great question and an important one because I

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Speaker 11: think that the possibility that that will occur is pretty significant.

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Speaker 11: I do think that they have the capacity to inflict damage,

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Speaker 11: even though Israel and the United States have proven that

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Speaker 11: a theater integrated air defense system has been more than

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Speaker 11: up to the task. However, no system is perfect, and

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Speaker 11: so occasionally in Irani a missile can break through. And

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Speaker 11: so I think the Israeli response escalation ladder is pretty

1035
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Speaker 11: significant in that they have demonstrated the ability to respond

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Speaker 11: to any target inside Iran, including its leadership. They eliminated

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Speaker 11: most of its senior military commanders, the head of the IRGC,

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Speaker 11: the head of the armed Forces, general staff, many of

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Speaker 11: its intelligence officials and nuclear scientists in the Twelve Day War.

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Speaker 11: They could do it again, and they also have the

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Speaker 11: ability to hit again. Iran around's nuclear infrastructure, but also

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Speaker 11: its economy. The oil exports that come through the Gulf

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Speaker 11: ultimately are vulnerable to attack.

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Speaker 10: Israel could hit all of it.

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Speaker 11: So we could remove its leadership, remove its retaliatory capacity,

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Speaker 11: it's nuclear program, and its economy, and probably do it

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Speaker 11: in a matter of days.

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Speaker 1: Other experts have told me we don't want to blow

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Speaker 1: up Kars Island or the other two oil terminals because

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Speaker 1: if there is regime collapse in a new regime, they're

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Speaker 1: going to need the oil revenue. But I have to

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Speaker 1: think if they killed the significant number of Israelis, those

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Speaker 1: islands are no more.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? And I think there's a surgical way to do it.

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Speaker 11: You can knock out the point of sale, the point

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Speaker 11: in which the facility itself provides export oil and petrochemicals

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Speaker 11: and gas to vessels themselves, without destroying the infrastructure, all

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Speaker 11: of which is decrepit. It probably needs to be replaced,

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Speaker 11: but the point is valid, and that if there is

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Speaker 11: a change in leadership, you'd want the ability to pay

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Speaker 11: for it by exporting oil and controlling it, and so

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Speaker 11: you don't want to do too much damage to the infrastructure.

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Speaker 11: You also don't want to destabilize energy markets. Although President

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Speaker 11: Trump deserves a lot more credit for stableing it and

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Speaker 11: getting prices down, which is an enormous benefit to Americans,

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Speaker 11: but it also gives them flexibility in situations like this,

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Speaker 11: and so I think that the Israelis have the option

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Speaker 11: to do it. I think it could be surgical and

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Speaker 11: how they do it, and I don't think it's necessarily

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Speaker 11: going to be debilitating to a future.

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Speaker 1: Iran oil is up about five percent today, Robert, and

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Speaker 1: we have one more segment I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you about after the conflict in Iran when we come back,

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Speaker 1: how high would oil go and how long would it

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Speaker 1: go up for. I think they'd be an oil shock,

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Speaker 1: but they don't think it would last very long. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with me on that.

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Speaker 11: I think that's right because the market's exceptionally well supplied,

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Speaker 11: which is why I think prices are down.

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Speaker 10: I think the anticipation of a potential act.

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Speaker 11: Is likely irresponsible for the increase we've seen, of course,

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Speaker 11: but I agree with you in that I don't think

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Speaker 11: it'd be sustained. I don't think it'll really get anywhere

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Speaker 11: near seventy five hours of barrel depending on the scope

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Speaker 11: and scale. Strikes like Iran's just not capable of entering

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Speaker 11: into a conflict, they're just being able to do it.

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Speaker 10: So I don't think it'll be pull off.

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Speaker 1: When I come back with Robert Greenway, our final segment

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Speaker 1: will be on what could come in Iran and after strike,

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Speaker 1: the good and the bad, and the Agli State Churner.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm you Hewett Robert Greenway. He

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Speaker 1: is the director of the Allison Center for National Security

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Speaker 1: at the Heritage Foundation. Veteran of DIA, veteran of National

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Speaker 1: Security Council, veteran of Special Forces. I didn't ask you, Robert,

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Speaker 1: because I doubt you would tell me if you knew.

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Speaker 1: But do you think special forces will be involved in

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Speaker 1: this in any way, either for the Israeli side or

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Speaker 1: for our side?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's possible in a couple different roles.

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Speaker 11: I don't know that i'd say that it's necessary for

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Speaker 11: it to happen. You'd only really want to put people

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Speaker 11: on the ground and accept that risk. If there was

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Speaker 11: something that you wanted extracted of high value, or if

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Speaker 11: you wanted to control beyond the normal circumstances. Again, I

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Speaker 11: don't know that the necessity is there in either case.

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Speaker 11: Although it was alleged, of course that the Israeli forces

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Speaker 11: special forces did put personnel on the ground during the

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Speaker 11: Twelfth Day War, I don't know that that's in fact true.

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Speaker 11: And again I think the argument is pretty small.

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Speaker 1: Let's go then to the landscape in Iran after the conflict,

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Speaker 1: and I will assume for the sake of that that

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Speaker 1: there's a shake up in their leadership and massive damage

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Speaker 1: to their missile deterrence and to the IRGC means of repression.

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Speaker 1: But they're not gone. Does there exist enough will, in

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Speaker 1: your view, for the people to do again what they

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Speaker 1: did in January and December of this year and last year.

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Speaker 10: It is a great question.

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Speaker 11: I think the problem has always been that the population

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Speaker 11: in Iran has not been willing to lay down their

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Speaker 11: lives at scale. They certainly have in the same way

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Speaker 11: that the regime suppressive capacity will.

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Speaker 10: In other words, the IERGC are perfectly willing.

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Speaker 11: To lay down their lives and to take lives in

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Speaker 11: order to retain power. And that dynamic has given them

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Speaker 11: a tremendous support. A lack of international support for the

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Speaker 11: Iranian population has also been determinive, which is why it's

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Speaker 11: refreshing to see President Trump be so vocal and supportive

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Speaker 11: of those that have really suffered more than anyone else

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Speaker 11: at the hands of this particular regime.

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Speaker 10: I do think the capacity remains.

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Speaker 11: I think they're looking for the opportunity to do it,

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Speaker 11: and again, I think it would take more than just rhetorical,

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Speaker 11: perhaps material support to get them to that point.

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to get weaponry into the hands

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Speaker 1: of either the courage in Iran or other ethnic groups

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Speaker 1: in Western Iran, or even into Terehran.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how we do it.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 11: My experience in this part of the world is that

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Speaker 11: it's not difficult to get someone to shoot someone else,

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Speaker 11: and it's also not difficult for arms and material to

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Speaker 11: be provided. In fact, the region's got all too much

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Speaker 11: of both, so I don't think necessarily either are a problem,

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Speaker 11: but it would take support and assistance for it to occur.

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Speaker 11: But there's more than enough material to go around, and

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Speaker 11: I don't think it would be terribly problematic for that

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Speaker 11: to occur, But I do think it's also vital that

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Speaker 11: we eliminate the regime's capacity to monitor internal and external communications,

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Speaker 11: and all coordinated activity require both, and in fact, our

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Speaker 11: ability to predict what goes on and what is occurring

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Speaker 11: on the ground is predicated on free communications, which right

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Speaker 11: now the regime with Chinese support, has prevented.

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Speaker 1: Last question has to do with what President Trump has

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Speaker 1: called frequently the discombobulator that was used in Venezuela. I've

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Speaker 1: asked experts. They said it wasn't an emp to the

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Speaker 1: extent you know what it is. Can we use it

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Speaker 1: in Iran?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 11: I don't see any reason why any of the capabilities

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Speaker 11: we developed cannot be employed. I don't know that we'd

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Speaker 11: have to use that particular capability similar to it in

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Speaker 11: the circumstance, because again, I don't see us going in

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Speaker 11: and grabbing the Supreme Leader and bringing them to the

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Speaker 11: Southern District of New York, as interesting as that might be.

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Speaker 11: And so I'm not sure that the exact capabilities to

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Speaker 11: be required. But our scope and capacity and inventory far

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Speaker 11: exceeds the Islamic republics, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Robert Greenway, do you think there's stuff that we don't

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Speaker 1: even know about that we might use. I know, I

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Speaker 1: would guess that the Ohio class tom Hawk carrying big

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Speaker 1: subs are out there, the boomers. But is there something

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Speaker 1: we just don't know about.

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Speaker 10: I would hope.

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Speaker 11: So we're spending now upwards of a trillion dollars a

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Speaker 11: year on our defense inventory and capacity, and we spent

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Speaker 11: a lot and invested a lot for decades, and so

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Speaker 11: certainly there are and must always be I think options

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Speaker 11: that are available to the president across the spectrum from

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Speaker 11: the cyber to the kinetic, and I think those are available.

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Speaker 11: I don't know that we'll need those kinds of niche

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Speaker 11: capacities in order to do what's required in Iran, but

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Speaker 11: certainly they're available to the president.

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Speaker 1: And last question, how long will it take us to

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Speaker 1: restock Michelles with what we use if we use it

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Speaker 1: for a week to a month in Iran?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that is a really great question.

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Speaker 11: We just finished a year long simulation calculating a culmination

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Speaker 11: point for the US and China to protracted conflict, and

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Speaker 11: munition stockpiles was a critical part of that, and the

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Speaker 11: story is bleak that corrective actions being taken but insufficient

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Speaker 11: right now, and all the turntimes on long range precision

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Speaker 11: munitions are twelve plus months one year. That's changing far

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Speaker 11: too slowly. So I hope that we're surgical in our use.

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Speaker 11: I hope that we don't have to respond and defend

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Speaker 11: ourselves against the barrage of Iranian missiles. I hope we

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Speaker 11: can defeat them on the ground. It's much more effective

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Speaker 11: to do so, but it will take considerable time to

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Speaker 11: restock if we have a protracted campaign, which I think

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Speaker 11: again disincentivizes us from doing it.

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Speaker 10: I also don't know that it's required.

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Speaker 1: Robert Greenway, thank you for an abundance of time today.

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Speaker 1: Always useful to talk to someone who knows what they're

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Speaker 1: talking about, and that would be you, and I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time as us the audience. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: by shah See Bedford to The Washington Examiner, Sarah, you're

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Speaker 1: a young Catholic. I'm an old Catholic. So I go

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Speaker 1: to the morning Mass on Ash Wednesday, and I've been

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Speaker 1: vetching a little bit about the fact it was an

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Speaker 1: hour and seventy and fifteen minutes with all the music

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Speaker 1: and the bells and whistles as well as the ashes.

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Speaker 1: What do you expect the Lent Mass to be.

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Speaker 13: Well, especially one in the middle of the day, a

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Speaker 13: little bit shorter?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's not a celebration on Ash Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: It's a solemn thing.

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Speaker 13: It's getting the ashes is not a sacrament. So there's

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Speaker 13: there are reasons to suspect that perhaps a weekday after Wednesday,

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Speaker 13: Mass should be a little bit shorter.

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Speaker 1: Now, how about weekday masses during Lent? I think they

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Speaker 1: ought to be thirty five minutes and no music.

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 5: Some of them are?

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Speaker 13: But yeah, typically, you know, some of the weekday masses

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Speaker 13: are just as longer or longer.

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Speaker 5: I've been on Sunday.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, if that's like your penance to go to

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Speaker 13: Mass every weekday, you'd want those to be shorter, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I want people to go to Mass. I just think

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Speaker 1: it becomes an impediment to people working, people who can't

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Speaker 1: be there for an hour and fifteen minutes because the

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Speaker 1: boss might give you a pass on ash Wednesday because

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Speaker 1: you're wearing the ashes. But it's not going to happen

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Speaker 1: every day, is it?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: Probably not.

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Speaker 13: And my other grive by the way, is that my

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Speaker 13: church didn't offer any masses between noon and five. There

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Speaker 13: was like a five hour stretch that would have been

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Speaker 13: great to have a mass, time to sneak it in

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Speaker 13: before school pickups.

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Speaker 1: You know, Catholics want to go to church. They got

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Speaker 1: to make it easier to go to church. In the confession,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you something, Sarah about the war. What

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Speaker 1: is your feeling based upon all your conversations about if

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Speaker 1: and when it's going to start.

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Speaker 5: There's a sense that it could be imminent, right.

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Speaker 13: You've seen all the images of US military resources moving

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Speaker 13: into the area of Donald Trump's strategic sil which I

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Speaker 13: think we've talked about before. He doesn't like to tip

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Speaker 13: his hand about any sort of military action he might take.

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Speaker 5: That is leaving people nervous.

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Speaker 13: I mean, I think people on Capitol Hill don't seem

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Speaker 13: engagement because.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't want to tip his hand to the Iranians.

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Speaker 13: But the result, at least in the short term, is

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Speaker 13: a really striking silence, given the gravity of.

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Speaker 5: What it feels like is about to happen.

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Speaker 1: Are there any Republican senators on the record who opposed

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Speaker 1: military action right now, because I'm unaware of them, though

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Speaker 1: I assume Rand Paul is opposed to military action.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you've got Rand Paul. You have others

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Speaker 5: who have been a little bit nervous.

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Speaker 13: Saying, you know, they understand that the president needs to have,

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Speaker 13: you know, the ability to strike you unilaterally in these

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Speaker 13: sorts of situations, but any sort of sustained military campaign

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Speaker 13: is something that might make them, I'm a little bit nervous,

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Speaker 13: and they'd want to understand better about the rationale for

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Speaker 13: this sort of thing because the White House has been

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Speaker 13: playing its cards so close to the vest, though there's

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Speaker 13: not a lot of insight on Capitol Hill about what

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Speaker 13: the tactics might look like and what specific end game,

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Speaker 13: you know, each military move might have.

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Speaker 5: So you do have a lot of Republican lawmakers.

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Speaker 13: We're giving Trump a lot of leeway right now, but

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Speaker 13: would probably have a lot of questions if this looked

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Speaker 13: like a sort of sustained military engagement.

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Speaker 1: Now, Sarah, I don't want to alarm you, but I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the Senate rules. And it's a

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Speaker 1: horrifically boring topic, I realize, but it's an important one

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Speaker 1: because the Senate is anti majoritarian. I want to keep

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Speaker 1: it that way. I love the filibuster. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to break it and any carry. Reid made a terrible

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Speaker 1: mistake that backfired on him, and I don't want the

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Speaker 1: Republicans to make a terrible mistake. Centertvely assures me online

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Speaker 1: that is talking filibuster gig gambit does not involve changing

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Speaker 1: the Senate rule or overruling the Senate parliamentarian or the

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Speaker 1: share on any question.

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Speaker 2: And therefore, the talking filibuster.

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Speaker 1: That Mike Lee is proposing would have to proceed the

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Speaker 1: way Kim Strassell planted it. It would be endless. It

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Speaker 1: would be the giant time waste of all time. Am

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Speaker 1: I missing something?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 13: You know that you have the conservatives who say that

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Speaker 13: it is sort of a cost free way of getting

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Speaker 13: this legislation over the finish line, I guess as the

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Speaker 13: only the price of doing business that way would be time.

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Speaker 13: It would lock up the Senate floor for a significant

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Speaker 13: period of time. But I think, you know, Kim straswell

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Speaker 13: and the Wall Street Journal laid out, you know, the

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Speaker 13: case against the talking filibuster. But to me, her most

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Speaker 13: compelling point was either you have protections for the Senate.

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Speaker 5: Minority or you don't.

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Speaker 13: You can't sort of waive some sort of procedural magic

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Speaker 13: wand that would kind of take the filibuster off the

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Speaker 13: table just for the Save Act, but definitely preserve it

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Speaker 13: for all, you know, future pieces of legislature.

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Speaker 5: I mean, let's say that it all unfolds exactly like

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Speaker 5: Mike Lee suggests.

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Speaker 13: It would that it would force Democrats to come out

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Speaker 13: against an eighty twenty issue. It would be unpopular for them,

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Speaker 13: and eventually, through patients, Republicans would get what they want.

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Speaker 5: But what does that do to the filibuster in the

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Speaker 5: first place?

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Speaker 13: It would effectively neutralize it, right for anything that Democrats

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Speaker 13: think they could just outlast Republicans on if.

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Speaker 5: They're in the majority.

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Speaker 13: So it is a risk of undermining the protections of

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Speaker 13: the filibuster. If you think you can sort of get

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Speaker 13: away with it this one time.

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Speaker 2: It won't work.

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Speaker 1: It will also just not work because of the amendment,

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Speaker 1: the open amendment thing that Kim describe. They'd have to

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Speaker 1: change the rules to stop amendments if it was going

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Speaker 1: to work. If they change the rules, the filibuster is dead.

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Speaker 1: And I I just want people to be honest about this.

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Speaker 1: You're going to even have a Senate that protects the

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Speaker 1: minority rights and makes it very difficult to pass legislation.

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Speaker 1: Accept in reconciliation or you can not have that.

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Speaker 2: And I like that.

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Speaker 1: I think it stopped a lot more bad idea than ever.

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Speaker 1: What the why hasn't If Mike Ley's idea is so great?

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Speaker 1: How many Republicans support him? I saw Ted Kruz, does

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Speaker 1: anybody else?

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Speaker 13: You have a lot of reluctance for Republicans for endorsing

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Speaker 13: this idea, including from food. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 13: huge can of worms that they'd be opening even if

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Speaker 13: it was successful in getting the Save Act passed. And

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Speaker 13: even the White House is not really putting its full

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Speaker 13: weight behind the Save Acts.

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Speaker 5: You don't hear a lot about the White.

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Speaker 13: House pushing for this, in fact, to the extent that

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Speaker 13: Trump talks about his legislative agenda, it's sort of backwards

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Speaker 13: looking like, oh, thank god, we got everything done.

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Speaker 5: That we needed to, because you never know. In November,

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Speaker 5: you don't hear a lot.

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Speaker 13: Of forward looking expectation that the Save Act will pass.

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Speaker 13: There's a whole separate conversation to be why that is.

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Speaker 13: Because it's a piece of legislation that the vast majority

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Speaker 13: of Americans, even a lot of Democrats support, and it

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Speaker 13: makes a lot of sense. But even so it doesn't

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Speaker 13: seem that high on the GOP agenda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because they the eighty twenty issues that are

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Speaker 1: out there, they lack salience means the intensity with which

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Speaker 1: people want it brought to the floor. Everybody nots like

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Speaker 1: I'd vote for the Save Act. If I was in

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Speaker 1: the Senate or the House, I'd vote for it, But

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Speaker 1: it's not something I'd spend my career on because it's

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Speaker 1: probably unconstitutional. With the citizenship requirement for state elections, it's

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Speaker 1: up to the.

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Speaker 13: States, right, and so I mean, this is a Republicans happened,

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Speaker 13: going state by state and trying to get election changes

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Speaker 13: that way. It's the most straightforward way of doing it.

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Speaker 13: And so you know, I think to the extent that

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Speaker 13: there's one maybe argument in favor of the talking filibuster.

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Speaker 13: It's this idea that you should put Democrats on the

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Speaker 13: record to say why they oppose a common sense piece

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Speaker 13: of legislation that their own constituents want. But surely there's

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Speaker 13: other ways Republicans could accomplish that.

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Speaker 1: They'll have a vote rama next year sometime, and if

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Speaker 1: we get the reconciliation, they'll be There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. The Democrats don't want the Citizenship Act, they

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Speaker 1: don't want the Save Act. Everybody knows it. It's just

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Speaker 1: not it's not worth all this time, especially on the

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Speaker 1: brink of war.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Bedford, I hope your.

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Speaker 1: Masses shorter than mine was, but I'm glad that you'll

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Speaker 1: get your ashes tonight, and I appreciate you joining me

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Speaker 1: this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere, America. I'm coming right back.

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Speaker 1: Mike. Catherineham joined me in our number one. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to replay it in our three here so that all

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Speaker 1: of you hear about her.

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Speaker 2: America.

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Speaker 1: In two fifty, we are celebrating our two undred and

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Speaker 1: fiftieth birthday. Mkh and en gang over at getting hammered

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