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Speaker 1: I'm Joshammer, and this is the Josh Shammer Show. Sebastian Lai,

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Speaker 1: the son of the wrongfully detained Jimmyli over in Hong Kong,

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Speaker 1: joins us. Later in the programs discussed the plight of

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Speaker 1: his father and the lingering, looming threat of the Chinese

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Speaker 1: Commis Party, the biggest threat to the United States and

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Speaker 1: the American way of life, plus more on Cuba, massive

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Speaker 1: protests happening against the commerce regime right there, ninety miles

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Speaker 1: off our stores in addition to the continued shutdown of

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Speaker 1: TSA and large swats of dhs. Are your airports going

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Speaker 1: to be shut down? All that and more later in

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Speaker 1: today's show, But from now we begin with this. On

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Speaker 1: yesterday's show, we spent a lot of time talking about

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Speaker 1: this shadow war that is seemingly is happening in the

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Speaker 1: periphery of the podcaster world on the broader American quote unquote, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking here about people like Tucker Carlson, Candice Owen's,

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Speaker 1: Nick flan Day's Main Kelly, and a handful of other

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Speaker 1: actors who seemingly are launching some sort of self campaign

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Speaker 1: to undermine President Trump and his MAGA agenda and his

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Speaker 1: MAGA coalition from within. We've been sounding alarm on this

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Speaker 1: for a year and a half two years for any

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Speaker 1: number of reasons. There is, of course the moral rot

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Speaker 1: and the fact that a nation that goes down these

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Speaker 1: dark conspiratorial holes is invariably, invariably looking just at a

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Speaker 1: history book, is always going to end up worse than

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Speaker 1: it was before. That there is no country ever that

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Speaker 1: has benefited from going down the road that these various

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Speaker 1: idiotic adult brain podcasters are now trying to urge people

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Speaker 1: on the rights to go down. But there is another

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Speaker 1: reason for that, which is that there is going to

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Speaker 1: be political suicide if the Republican Party in the mag

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Speaker 1: coalition are ultimately divided at the seams. Donald Trump won

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Speaker 1: a sizeable election victory in twenty twenty four. Noteubt about

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Speaker 1: that twenty sixteen was a squeaker, and twenty twenty coming

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Speaker 1: There is not a huge margin victory here when it

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Speaker 1: comes to independent voters, moderates, when it comes to swing

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Speaker 1: state voters, suburban moms, all the above, Who in the

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Speaker 1: world wants to vote for a party that is playing

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Speaker 1: foot see with people like Nazis and racists. The question

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Speaker 1: I submit ought to answer yourself, the question, though we

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Speaker 1: want to address squarely on today's show, is this what

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Speaker 1: exactly is the extent of this shadow war? Is it

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Speaker 1: actually happening just in the podcast or universe as some

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Speaker 1: people are referring to this as the podcaster wars, or

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Speaker 1: is it happening also inside the administration itself. So to

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Speaker 1: back up a little bit, you will recall that over

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Speaker 1: the weekend, Tucker Carlson release this bizarre five to six

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Speaker 1: minute video where he said, and I don't say believe him,

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Speaker 1: but he said that the CIA is surveiling his test messages, which,

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, he could literally just be making

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Speaker 1: it up to try to wage what has been this

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Speaker 1: shadow war he'd been waging against Trump, against MAGA for

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Speaker 1: a year and a half, all trying to establish Tucker

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Speaker 1: Carlson for what I believe to be his and at

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Speaker 1: the other possibility, the other possibility here, which we did

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Speaker 1: But if these text messages were flagged in the nssay's

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Speaker 1: giant sweeping of the drag net, the metadata said were there,

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Speaker 1: not like you're notified when your metadata, your actual conversations

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Speaker 1: obvious answer is that it was leaked. That it was

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Speaker 1: obviously strategically leaked to Tucker. And as I explained on

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Speaker 1: yesterday's show, the by far likeliest source of that leak

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Speaker 1: known as OD and I in Washington Beltway speak, that's

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Speaker 1: Tulsy Gabber, that is Tulsi Gast's office. Tulti Gabbert is

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Speaker 1: ideological buddies with Tuckrrelson. Tulta Gabert is someone who was

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Speaker 1: She is someone who infamously went to Damascus to meet

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Speaker 1: we explained on yesterdays show, is very straightforward. Tulsa Gabbert,

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Speaker 1: we have an on pretty good authority here Harbor's outside

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Speaker 1: So our working theory here is that this leak and

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Speaker 1: I discussed it on yesterday's show. Since I tweeted that,

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Speaker 1: two very interesting things have happened. So on Monday, March sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: ODE and I, the Office of the Director of National

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Speaker 1: Stop me, if you've heard this name Dan Caldwell before,

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Speaker 1: Pete heggs Seth there with all these ridiculous allegations of rape.

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Speaker 1: because he says, quote, I cannot in good conscience support

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Speaker 1: the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat

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Speaker 1: war due to pressure from Israel. And its powerful American lobs.

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Speaker 1: Tulsa Gabbert, Now Joe Kent is saying that Trump is

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Speaker 1: other just outrageous slander in this restination letter, saying that

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Speaker 1: as the particular plates of his father, and that is

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Speaker 1: Sebastian Liespaschian Lai is the son of Jimmy Lai and

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Speaker 1: the leader to try to free Jimmy Lai, who is

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Speaker 1: the longtime publisher of the Apple Daily publication there in

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong and has been wrongfully tried, prosecuted, jailed by

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Speaker 1: the Communists in Hong Kong for years. I'm following the

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Speaker 1: story for a very very long time, actually, So Sebastian,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining the Josh Hammer Show. We really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Why don't we just start off at a

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Speaker 1: high level. Let's pretend then that everyone knows all the

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Speaker 1: details of what is currently happening there. So I saw

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Speaker 1: that there've actually been some recent developments just over the

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Speaker 1: past few weeks. Actually, So where do things currently stand?

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Speaker 1: What is your father actually being charged with doing? Where

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Speaker 1: do things currently stand in his legal process?

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so, my father was the publisher of the biggest

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Speaker 3: newspaper in Hong Kong, but more importantly, it was a

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Speaker 3: newspaper that believed in freedom and democracy, and so they

447
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Speaker 3: unwavingly supported democracy throughout the years. And then when they

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Speaker 3: passed the National Security Law as after the pro democracy

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Speaker 3: protests in twenty nineteen, they use that lord to arrest

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Speaker 3: my father and then send five hundred police officers to

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Speaker 3: raid the officers and essentially shut the newspaper down. And

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Speaker 3: since then, my father has been in a solid confinement

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Speaker 3: in a maximum security prison for five years.

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Speaker 2: His trial has just finished.

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Speaker 3: Some of your listeners might be surprised has been five

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Speaker 3: years if his trials just finished. Well, this whole time

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Speaker 3: he's been kept there and had multiple sham charges board

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Speaker 3: against him. But the big one, the Nationalist criatul U

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Speaker 3: trial ended and he was given twenty years after five

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Speaker 3: years in those conditions. He I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: he has two years left to be honest, because he's

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Speaker 3: seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: His health is failing, as you can.

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Speaker 3: Expect, and he now has heart issues, his nails are

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Speaker 3: falling off, his teeth rotting. This is incredibly heartbreaking, but

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Speaker 3: at the core, this is a man who has given

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Speaker 3: everything that he has for freedom, and then when he

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Speaker 3: was given the opportunity to leave at seventy two, you know,

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Speaker 3: before the nationalist creatique or crackdown, he decided to stay

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Speaker 3: and defend his colleagues. And for his active bravery, for

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Speaker 3: his act of of sealthlessness and active signing out for

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Speaker 3: his principles, he's now being tortured.

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Speaker 1: It's just horrific stuff. And thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: for all you do to try to free him. And

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Speaker 1: I guess that's my next question. Sebastian against Sebastian Lai

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Speaker 1: is the son of the wrongfully detained Jimmy Lai over

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Speaker 1: in Hong Kong. Sebastian, what what what can the world do?

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Speaker 1: What can what can the United States do? What can

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Speaker 1: President Trump do? The Congress? What what more can and

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Speaker 1: should the United States in particular perhaps be doing when

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Speaker 1: it comes to this issue.

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Speaker 3: So we've been so incredibly grateful by all the support

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Speaker 3: that we received in the US, particularly from the President.

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Speaker 3: The President has had on multiple occasions that this is

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Speaker 3: something that he cares about then that he wants to

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Speaker 3: see my father free. As you know, the President has

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Speaker 3: an incredible track record of freeing political prisoners around the world,

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Speaker 3: you know, reminding.

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Speaker 2: All Americans what what what?

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Speaker 3: What unites us, you know, uniting the nation against against tyranny,

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Speaker 3: against it against justice. So you know, I just I

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Speaker 3: want to take the trying to thank him from the

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Speaker 3: bottom of my heart, but but you know it is

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Speaker 3: bringing more attention to my part this case. We are

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Speaker 3: now in the situation where his health is failing and frankly,

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Speaker 3: you know, he's been there for five years. They've taken

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Speaker 3: everything away from him. What's what's there left to do?

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Speaker 3: And now they have this man who is essentially, if

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Speaker 3: he passes away, is going to be a martyr. He's

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Speaker 3: someone who has given everything and more for the liberties

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Speaker 3: that he fell in love with after having escaped escaped

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Speaker 3: communist China to Hong Kong. So you know, as as

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Speaker 3: as as Americans, as as congressman centers as a president saying,

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Speaker 3: this is someone who if we were in the same situation,

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Speaker 3: we would have done the same thing. We are proud

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Speaker 3: of this man, and this man deserves to be free

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Speaker 3: as much as anybody else in the world.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about that. And certainly we hear on the show,

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Speaker 1: we wish your father absolutely nothing but the best in

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Speaker 1: God willing this where we'll have a happy ending, happy

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Speaker 1: resolution sooner rather than later. You know, one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons that I've long followed this story on a personal

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Speaker 1: note is not just that I view the Chinese Commis

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Speaker 1: Party as America's foremost national security threat, which I absolutely do,

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Speaker 1: but also in a personal note s fashion to give

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Speaker 1: you a little more color, one of my best friends

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Speaker 1: in law school actually was a native of Hong Kong.

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Speaker 1: I traveled there to his home. We stay in his

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Speaker 1: home there. I went with him, spent I don't know

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Speaker 1: about a week give or take there in Hong Kong.

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Speaker 1: I immediately fell in love with it. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the most special places, unique places, just absolutely amazing. I

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Speaker 1: have extraordinary memories. Frankly, It's just magical. Frankly, I mean,

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Speaker 1: where is there an island in the world with waterfalls

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Speaker 1: and rainforests and skyscrapers built into the size of the mountains,

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Speaker 1: with food and drinks. It's just a remarkable Frankly, It's

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Speaker 1: just amazing. And this is in twenty sixteen. So that's

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Speaker 1: why I bring it up there, because a lots happened

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Speaker 1: is twenty sixteen, the National Security Law. Your father's been

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Speaker 1: unjustly detained. What is Hong Kong going to look like

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Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years from now will be indistinguishable from Beijing.

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Speaker 1: Shanghai I talked tought us a little bit about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one of the really incredible things about

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Speaker 3: Hong Kong was, you know, everything you've described, it was

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Speaker 3: this place that you know, that had the freedoms that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people associate with the West, the you know,

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Speaker 3: freedom to to to speak of beliefs, freedom to to

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Speaker 3: to publish, and and and all that unfortunately has changed

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Speaker 3: is some might say it's even gotten beyond what's what's

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Speaker 3: allowed in China. I mean, there are people who are

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Speaker 3: in Hong Kong who you know, have been arrested because

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Speaker 3: they liked social media posts abroad. My father's cases is,

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Speaker 3: you know, case and point. This is a man who

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Speaker 3: most of the world celebrates for what he's done and

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Speaker 3: and he's being tortured for it in Hong Kong. His

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Speaker 3: treatment is worse than other people in maximum security for prison.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about, you know, people who have killed, others,

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Speaker 3: who who have done naturally horrible things. My father campaign

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Speaker 3: for democracy and did it peacefully. And this is what

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Speaker 3: Hong Kong now, this is the new Hong Kong. It's

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Speaker 3: a place that tortures men who are heroes for many

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Speaker 3: around the world. This is a place that will send

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Speaker 3: five hundred police officers to raid a newspaper and and

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Speaker 3: then turn around and say we still have press freedom.

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Speaker 3: This is a place that says that we still have

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Speaker 3: the rule vo and then drag my father through the courts,

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Speaker 3: and and and and and you know, and and and

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Speaker 3: in Istral there were allegations of tortured witnesses, which obviously

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Speaker 3: is a no go. Torturing witnesses to testify into my father,

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Speaker 3: no jury through government of judges, occasions where they have

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Speaker 3: shouted at my father. Yet they will tell you that

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Speaker 3: they still have a very strong rule of law. It's

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Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a it's a city that lives

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Speaker 3: in lie and I think that's what is in the

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Speaker 3: end of day, and is it's as someone who comes

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Speaker 3: from there, it's it's a it's an incredibly heartbreaking thing

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Speaker 3: to see.

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Speaker 1: Heartbreaking. Indeed, especially as I said, it's it's most heartbreaking

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Speaker 1: of course for you and the rest of his family,

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Speaker 1: but even for someone like me who just has such

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Speaker 1: a fond memory there. I worried that I will never

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Speaker 1: frankly see that Hong Kong again, Sebastian, just about a

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Speaker 1: minute or so before we have to let you go,

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Speaker 1: and again, folks with chain with Sebastian live the son

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Speaker 1: of the wrongfully detained and jailed Jimmy Laie over in

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong. Sabastian, I guess one question America's foreign policy

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Speaker 1: debates are always so fractious, and one question I have

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Speaker 1: my own answer, but I'd love to hear your answer,

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Speaker 1: is why should the Median American care about your father's

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Speaker 1: wrongful attention?

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Speaker 3: In particular, I think it's always worth reminding ourselves the

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Speaker 3: costs of the freedoms of this country. What makes being

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Speaker 3: American special is that you are united against tyranny, united

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Speaker 3: full democracy and goodness. And I think that's why it's

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Speaker 3: so important that you know, when when the President has

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Speaker 3: already mentioned multiple times that he wants my father free,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully when he does go over to Beijing, I

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Speaker 3: hope that is something that the Chinese Communist Party we'll

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Speaker 3: see that that this matters to both the President but

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Speaker 3: to all Americans, and that this is something that they

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Speaker 3: could do, you know, for them, administratively, relatively easily, putting

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Speaker 3: a seventy old man who's in ill health on a

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Speaker 3: plane and sending him back here and to say this

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Speaker 3: is you know that we understand, it's something that matters

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Speaker 3: to all of you. And then and this is something

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Speaker 3: that we can do. And I think that's that that

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Speaker 3: would be That would be a wonderful day.

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Speaker 1: Amen, and very well said. Look, I personally father the

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Speaker 1: story for a very long time. It's been really been

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Speaker 1: an honor to have you on the program again, folks.

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Speaker 1: Spashi and Lai is the son of Jimmy Lai, the

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Speaker 1: longtime publisher of the Apple Daily, pro democracy newspaper in

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong, wrongfully detained, wrongfully jailed, his life being ruined

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Speaker 1: by the Chinese Communist Party. Spashion God bless you, We

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Speaker 1: wish you all the best. Truly made us have a

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Speaker 1: happy resolution a sap.

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Speaker 2: God bless you, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Just horrible stuff when it comes to the unjust prosecution

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Speaker 1: and unjustainment of Jimmy Lai, the publisher of the largest

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Speaker 1: newspaper in all of Hong Kong, the Apple Daily. As

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Speaker 1: you heard, I thought, quite stirringly, quite quite emotionally, quite

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Speaker 1: powerfully indeed from Subastianaliane, the son of the wrongfully detained Jimuli.

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Speaker 1: Freedom is not free. We think of it as free,

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Speaker 1: We oftentimes just take it totally for granted, especially here

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Speaker 1: in the United States. We have the two to fifteth

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Speaker 1: anniversary of the signing of the Decoration this summer. This country,

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Speaker 1: God blessed it and been going on for a very

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Speaker 1: very long time. And with time comes a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: But you run the lisk of just simply being satiated

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Speaker 1: and just not thinking, not thinking about what it is

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Speaker 1: that you are actually exercising on a daily basis. Here

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Speaker 1: on this show, we speak into this microphone and we

623
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Speaker 1: look into the camera and we tell you what we think,

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Speaker 1: and we are not worried, usually except maybe when some

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Speaker 1: Democrats are in charge, but we're usually not worried about

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Speaker 1: any kind of negative repercussions from it. When it comes

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Speaker 1: to prosecution, when it comes to tortures, interference, defamation, xyz,

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Speaker 1: you name it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, it's not even the communist world. It's actually even

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Speaker 1: some of the quote unquote first world that does not

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Speaker 1: have some of these protections. I think about the direction

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Speaker 1: that the UK has been heading in for far too

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Speaker 1: many years now. They have outrageous, outrageous prosecution laws when

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Speaker 1: it comes to hate speech, outrageous laws when it comes

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Speaker 1: to defamation in general. There if you call Keir Starmer,

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Speaker 1: the addle brained Labor Party Prime Minister of the UK,

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Speaker 1: if you have the tmerio to call him to Tierkere,

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Speaker 1: a lawyer friend mine over in London told me one

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Speaker 1: time you actually could run the risk of being suit

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Speaker 1: over that for defamation, allegedly even here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: So that hasn't really stopped me from calling him two

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Speaker 1: tier here. But your minolag various. Whether or not it will,

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Speaker 1: it will ultimately decentivize you. The point is that our

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Speaker 1: freedoms are not free, and this, as I think Spash

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Speaker 1: and Like quite persuasively argued, is one of the reason

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Speaker 1: we all should care about what is happening to Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Lai Halfay around the world there in the island of

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong, much closer to home than Cuba. Cuba a

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Speaker 1: part of this broader foreign policy conversation. We talked on

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Speaker 1: the show since the start of Operation Epic Theory about

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Speaker 1: how Donald Trump is remaking the geopolitical map he has

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Speaker 1: is going to have this upcoming, meaning by the way,

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Speaker 1: with Xi Jinpang over in Beijing, that meeting was actually

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Speaker 1: just postponed. Was supposed to be on March thirty first,

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Speaker 1: or just a couple of weeks or so, they postponed them,

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Speaker 1: meaning likely until early May give or take. We will see.

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Speaker 1: It was gonna be Donald Trump's first trip actually to

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Speaker 1: the Chinese mainland to go see chi Jimpang. A lot

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Speaker 1: riding on that particular meeting there as being postponed in

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Speaker 1: light of the Iran War. But much closer to home,

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Speaker 1: communism is not just a foreign phenomena. Folks, Cuba, ninety

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Speaker 1: miles off of the shore of Florida, just across the

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Speaker 1: Strait of Florida, they are protesting in Cuba like they

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Speaker 1: haven't done in entire generation or two. Frankly, in my

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Speaker 1: entire adult lifetime of following politics and following current events,

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Speaker 1: I have no recollection of anything like this. It seems

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Speaker 1: that the Cuban people are attempting to seize the moment

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Speaker 1: for themselves as they should. As they should. They see

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Speaker 1: what happened to Nicholas Maduro in Venezuela, Dels Rodriguez, who

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Speaker 1: took over from Duram Venezuela. Is she the best things

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Speaker 1: is slice bread? No, she is a Marxist Leninist, very

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Speaker 1: much in the vein of Hugo Javes and Nicholas Muduram.

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Speaker 1: But delsde Gus is cooperating with the United States. So

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Speaker 1: too do the people of Cuba see what is happening

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Speaker 1: halfway around the world in the country of Iran. They

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Speaker 1: see that the United States and Israel are engaged in

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Speaker 1: this war against the Irani regime, and the people in

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Speaker 1: Cuba are trying to take matters into their own hands,

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Speaker 1: while the island of Cuba is just totally collapsing. So

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Speaker 1: the power grid, the electricity is just totally out for

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Speaker 1: most people in Cuba today, Like literally, to say, on St.

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Speaker 1: Patrick's Day in March seventeenth, for most people the lights

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Speaker 1: did not come on. I'm sure if you're a crony

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Speaker 1: of the communist regime then you've managed to get some

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Speaker 1: power from the undoubtedly state owned electricity power company there.

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Speaker 1: But for most people across the deeply impoverished island of Cuba,

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Speaker 1: the lights literally did not come on. And these images

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Speaker 1: are starting to come up there, these videos of the

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Speaker 1: people going out there they're storming the local Communist Party

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Speaker 1: of Cuba office. They're banging on pots anything. They have

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Speaker 1: their homes there just to make noise, to try to

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Speaker 1: make the world hear them. They have deeply, deeply suppressed Internet.

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Speaker 1: There have actually been to Cuba. I've seen this. There

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Speaker 1: is deep, deep censorship there. So they're just trying to

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Speaker 1: get the word out. Easier than done there. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: Floyd's worth. He was asked about Cuba there and he

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Speaker 1: had a rather Trumpian answer. Let's say, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and play that clib When.

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Speaker 2: Will the United States do it?

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Speaker 1: I do believe I'll be the honor of having the honor.

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Speaker 2: Of taking Cuba.

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Speaker 1: That'd be good.

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Speaker 2: That's a big honor. Taking Cube in some form, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: taking Guba.

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Speaker 1: I mean whether I free it, take it.

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Speaker 2: I think I could do anything I want with it.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know the truth? A very weakened nation.

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Speaker 1: Isn't just the best folks, He's just the best Trump

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Speaker 1: trolls like no one control. He had true social posts

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Speaker 1: talking about Venezuela's success thus farum the World Baseball Classic.

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Speaker 1: There's big baseball tournament happening here in Miami. In South Florida,

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Speaker 1: and he said, Venezuela, they've got their act together. When

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Speaker 1: it comes to the World Baseball Classic, maybe they should

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Speaker 1: be the fifty first state. What do you think of that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this dude trolls like no one else. And

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Speaker 1: you know it's one thing to trol and not to

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Speaker 1: take action there. But he's t takes action. Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is a man of action in all around the world.

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Speaker 1: He is establishing himself for the record books is one

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Speaker 1: of the most consequential foreign policy presidents in American history.

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Speaker 1: That is not an exaggeration. That is exactly what is

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Speaker 1: happening when it comes to the first turn, when it

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Speaker 1: comes to isis when it comes to Abraham Courts, all

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Speaker 1: the way to the second term, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: Iron in Venezuela and looks like Cuba in its capacity

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Speaker 1: is probably gonna be next there. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: that will look like there. Frankly, no one knows. But

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Speaker 1: what we do know is that the Potempkin president, a

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Speaker 1: member the name of Diez Canal As he has confirmed,

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Speaker 1: as has the ninety four year old brother of Fidel

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Speaker 1: cast Or Rolecaster. They both confirmed the regime there in

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Speaker 1: Cuba is in talks with the United States, probably with

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio or one of his deputies there. We don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly what that's gonna look like there, but surely,

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Speaker 1: surely we can all unite in hoping for the story

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Speaker 1: to have a very sound ending. Much like Jimmy Lae

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Speaker 1: over in Hong Kong, the Cuban people have suffered immensely,

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Speaker 1: imnsely for decades, decades and decades, twenty years. That resume's

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Speaker 1: been powered longer than the Iranian regime than the Islamic

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Speaker 1: Republic over in Tehran. The revolution was in the late

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. My goodness, gracious, there a Cuba that is

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Speaker 1: free of the yokes of tyranny, and that is no

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Speaker 1: longer in the Chinese sphere of influence, not no longer

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Speaker 1: buddy buddy with Hezballah and the narco terrorists in Russia

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Speaker 1: and China, all the world's worst actors. A Cuba that

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Speaker 1: is ninety miles off our shore than much like Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: we can actually work with there. That would really undoubtedly

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Speaker 1: be an amazing result. Incidentally, here on the home front,

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Speaker 1: there are all sorts of issues going on as well

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Speaker 1: as this outrageous partial DHS shutdown continues, Democrats refusing to

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Speaker 1: fund the remainder of the Department of Homeland Security. The latest,

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Speaker 1: the latest thing that could be on the chopping block

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Speaker 1: is not just TSA security, but allegedly, allegedly, according to

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Speaker 1: the acting Deputy Administrator of TSA, Adam Stahl, allegedly, whole

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Speaker 1: airports actually might chuck down. Go ahead and watch this.

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Speaker 4: We're fully stretched and so frankly, there's not much else

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Speaker 4: we can do as the weeks continue. If this continues,

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Speaker 4: it's not hyperbole to suggest that we may have to

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Speaker 4: quite literally shut down airports, particularly smaller ones, if call

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Speaker 4: out rates go up and we can't A lot of

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Speaker 4: these officers can't afford to come in. I talked to

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Speaker 4: one officer this week. She's a single mother and she

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Speaker 4: has a special needs child, and she can't afford to

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Speaker 4: pay for her special needs child childcare. So again, were

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Speaker 4: I believe it's frankly unconscidable that we have said it

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Speaker 4: Democrats that are playing, you know, they're holding our folks

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Speaker 4: financial livelihood hostage over political games, political partisanship. So we

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Speaker 4: really need to get back to normal order.

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Speaker 1: So this is staggering. This is absolutely staggering. I can't

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Speaker 1: recall a time when the possibility of literally shutting down

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Speaker 1: airports was ever discussed as something that could viably legitimately happen.

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Speaker 1: This is absolutely nuts. And to the depty administrator's point,

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Speaker 1: why are the Democrats to me to escape with this?

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Speaker 1: I don't see a whole lot of people, especially out

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Speaker 1: there in the corporate press, NBC, ABC's there. I don't

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Speaker 1: see a whole lot of people talk about how Democrats

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Speaker 1: are shutting down DHS. If I cannot fly out of

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Speaker 1: the airport next week when I fly to textas speak

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Speaker 1: a seatpack, if you cannot fly this week, next week,

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Speaker 1: whenever your flight is there, I think we know who's

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Speaker 1: to blame here. This is not exactly a debate. Republicans

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Speaker 1: are trying to fund DHS. They're trying to fund Tsay,

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Speaker 1: They're trying to fund the airports. John Thun, Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 1: They have shepherded through numerous bills, bills that have already

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Speaker 1: passed the House and are just stalling in the Senate

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Speaker 1: because Chuck Schumer is not playing ball at all, and

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Speaker 1: by not playing ball on this one, they are playing

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Speaker 1: ball very much, unfortunately with your own security at a

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Speaker 1: time like this where radicals long terrorism is very much

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Speaker 1: on the march here on the home front. Don't you

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Speaker 1: think that the Department of Homeland Security ought to be funded? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I certainly think that. Unfortunately, when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: Republic inside the eye on the send there, we could

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Speaker 1: be in for a bit of failure theater this week.

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Speaker 1: As well as mentioned yesterday's show, it looks like sam

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Speaker 1: majority of leer John Thune is indeed playing to hold

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Speaker 1: a new vote here on the Save America Act. The

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Speaker 1: key thing here, folks, is that he has to force

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Speaker 1: the Democrats to have a talking filibuster. That is a

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Speaker 1: tool in his arsenal, whether he wants to min it

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Speaker 1: or not, is the only way this bill will get

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Speaker 1: past Donald Trump amping up the pressure. But it's really

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Speaker 1: important situation like this a thing to actually make sure

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Speaker 1: your voice is actually heard. So among my hats, I'm

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Speaker 1: senior counsel off the Article three project. We have an

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Speaker 1: action center where you can actually go to Article three

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Speaker 1: project dot org and go to our action centerre you

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Speaker 1: can tell the Senate to actually get the save a pass.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and check that out Article threeproject dot org.

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Speaker 1: Really important stuff there. This socization has to be passed, folks,

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Speaker 1: and we will see ultimately if it does color me

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Speaker 1: skeptical for what it is worth. Unfortunately, I folks have

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Speaker 1: a great rect of evening. Josh Hammer is signing off

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Speaker 1: for now. We'll be right back tomorrow