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Speaker 1: due doing the Earlief Factors video West. It's got a

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Speaker 1: lot coming up. Today's Senator Tom Cotton, Dan Rundy, other

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Speaker 1: experts on what looks to be the inevitability of hostilities

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Speaker 1: with Iran President Trump speaking about that at the Board

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Speaker 1: of Peace. I have that tape as well. But before

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Speaker 1: today's program, I was able to pre record an interview

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Speaker 1: that will drop next week when I'm gone. Kirschleitcher will

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Speaker 1: be my guest host next week and you'll hear the

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Speaker 1: whole interview then. But it gave me such great joy

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Speaker 1: I just want to let you hear a little bit

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Speaker 1: of it right now. Dennis, welcome back. This gives me

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Speaker 1: great joy to talk to you. How are you, my friend?

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Speaker 2: That is a complex question. I'm Since November twelfth, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. I have been paralyzed from the shoulders down,

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Speaker 2: so that goes a long way in answering your question.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, I am thinking as creatively as ever,

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Speaker 2: and I am able to speak, which every doctor who's

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Speaker 2: commented on it, and none of them have been religious

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Speaker 2: as called a miracle.

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Speaker 1: Stop right there. I'm not giving away the story. You

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Speaker 1: have to wait till next week. You can order Dennis's

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Speaker 1: right now. It's available in bookstores on Monday, but you

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Speaker 1: can pre order it so it's delivered by then. It's

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Speaker 1: called If there Is No God? The battleover who Defines

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Speaker 1: Good and Evil. It is written with the assistance of

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Speaker 1: his dear friend Joel Alperson. It's a fabulous book. I've

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Speaker 1: read it over the last week knowing that we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to Dennis today, and we spent a half

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Speaker 1: hour on subjects immediate and remote, enduring, an eternal, and

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Speaker 1: just as fresh as yesterday's news. We talked about ten

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Speaker 1: to seven. We talked about his recovery, we talked about

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Speaker 1: the imminence of the war with Iran. We talked about

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Speaker 1: all that. But the book doesn't drop until Monday, so

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Speaker 1: I got permission just to play a little clip, little

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Speaker 1: teaser as a way of getting you to go and

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Speaker 1: purchase Dennis Prager's brand new book, If there Is No God.

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Speaker 1: If there Is No God. It's in bookstores on Monday,

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Speaker 1: but you can have it on your doorstep if you

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Speaker 1: go to Amazon or Barnes and Noble right now in

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Speaker 1: order If there Is No God. Dennis Prager back in

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Speaker 1: the game. So much fun to talk to him. Last

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Speaker 1: time I saw Dennis, he couldn't speak. Now he speaks

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Speaker 1: quite well, quite clearly. He'll take his time occasionally, but

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Speaker 1: it's a fabulous interview. Kurt will play it for you

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Speaker 1: next week. Now to the eminence of war, which appears

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Speaker 1: to be to me certain Donald Trump at the Board

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Speaker 1: of Peace this morning, cut number one.

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Speaker 3: Now is the time for Iran to join us on

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Speaker 3: a path that will complete what we're doing. And if

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Speaker 3: that'll be great too, but it'll be a very different path.

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Speaker 3: They cannot continue to threaten the stability of the entire region,

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Speaker 3: I maybe can understand if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, But.

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Speaker 1: Bad things will happen. If it doesn't, bad things for Iran.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of reporting out of Israel today about

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Speaker 1: Something in writing soon, but they're down to ten days now.

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Speaker 3: Again, guitar countries. Nobody could have signed. You would have

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Speaker 1: Ten days, ten days. Don't count on it, Iran, make

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Speaker 3: They do it very differently, And Marco, you really did

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Speaker 1: Be legit funny, that was legit funny. I got asked

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Speaker 7: And let's forget Hugh Hewitt, Foxy's contributed, our host of

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Speaker 7: the Huge Show. So with these charges, the allegation, the

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Speaker 7: gave confidential government documents to Jeffrey Epstein. But as Jillian

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Speaker 4: Well good after in John.

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Speaker 1: Misconduct in public office is the charge that's a common

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Speaker 1: dug into some of these precedents, and if Andrew gave

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Speaker 4: So wait till you get to the sword cases.

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Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to sixteen hundred people

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Speaker 4: So it's a wild kind of a charge, right, but.

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Speaker 7: It's one that was spoorted out moments ago. Could land

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, John, because I think it's

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Speaker 4: And head of state. We've had abdications.

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Speaker 4: But it's a pillar of the.

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Speaker 4: Not going to happen, you know.

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Speaker 7: Democrats were pushing so hard to get these Epstein files released,

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Speaker 7: thinking that they were going to fall hardest on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: While the president is mentioned a number of times in

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Speaker 7: various documents, there's nothing to suggest that he was guilty

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Speaker 4: What's the end game here?

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Speaker 7: Did Democrats shoot themselves full of holes by pushing so

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Speaker 1: The blast radius is so large in getting larger, and

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's exonerated Donald Trump. It's absolutely completely

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Speaker 1: Right now, the head of the Olympic Committee in LA

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Speaker 1: and so, as I said, the blast radius is large.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that's going to get this off the

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Speaker 1: his presidency and on his legacy. There is only one

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Speaker 1: That was earlier today on Fox. There's always fun to

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Speaker 1: be on with John Roberts, who knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America. I'm Cecily. Welcome back America.

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Speaker 1: I'm you Hewett. Please to welcome Congressman chip Roy to

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Speaker 1: the program. Chip Roy is running for Attorney General in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Early voting has begun. Chip has been a longtime friend

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Speaker 9: So you know, look, those subsidient fights are sometimes hard

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Speaker 1: I really don't think Texas can do better for an

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Speaker 1: Well, let's close with the specifics. When can people early vote?

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Speaker 9: Thanks, So the early voting started this past Tuesday. It

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Speaker 1: And we need chip Roy as the attorney general in

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Speaker 8: I'm Huglyck.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm hue you a time for the

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Speaker 1: One is about The Derek from Oil City, Pennsylvania. I

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Speaker 10: there would be a wire story that came out of

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Speaker 10: the day that every newspaper in the world carriage because

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Speaker 10: except the oil price every.

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Speaker 1: Morning it's a great column and it's a wonderful sendoff

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Speaker 1: to institution. But the times they are changing for media,

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Speaker 1: and they are changing to people like Selena covering stories

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Speaker 1: that nobody else does, including the crazy people tracking ice

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Speaker 1: across the country. Apparently they're coming to Pittsburgh. Selena tell

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Speaker 1: us about that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so they have.

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Speaker 10: These protests are you know, seemingly people think, oh they're

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Speaker 10: organic because I saw a local person there. They're not

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Speaker 10: really organic. But you know, one of the responsibilities as

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Speaker 10: a journalist that they learned very long ago was always

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Speaker 10: follow the money. And so when an organization is saying

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Speaker 10: they're behind something like more than likely means they are

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Speaker 10: sponsoring something, and which means you should see who is

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Speaker 10: trying to be disruptive, whether it is in Minneapolis or

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Speaker 10: in Pittsburgh, and why are they trying to cause this disruption,

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Speaker 10: and you know there will be well meaning ideological people

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Speaker 10: that will go along and want to be part of

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Speaker 10: this because of their ideological points of view. But a

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Speaker 10: lot of the people that are causing very aggressive tactical

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Speaker 10: protests that get out of hand are funded by foundations

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Speaker 10: whose names you would recognize and other groups who hnd

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Speaker 10: their money. But I think it's important that if you

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Speaker 10: want to get involved with something, you better understand who's

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Speaker 10: behind it, because then you have attached yourself to something

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Speaker 10: that you might not feel comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: One of the groups mentioned in your column is the

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Speaker 1: Sunrise Foundation, with which my audience is very familiar, but

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Speaker 1: there's also the Rockefeller Family Fund, the Wallace Global Fund.

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Speaker 1: I am mostly concerned about people from abroad, not those three,

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Speaker 1: but people i'm abroad pumping money into the United States,

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Speaker 1: including that crazy Swiss billionaire.

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Speaker 4: Do we think he's got anything to do with this stuff?

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Speaker 8: We don't know. It's very hidden.

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Speaker 10: However, that doesn't mean it's not the case, and they've

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Speaker 10: done a really good job of hiding their tracks. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 10: I mean unfortunately for them. It usually comes up either

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Speaker 10: through arrogance or through someone leaking the information but I

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Speaker 10: suspect we will find out quit soon.

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Speaker 1: Now the Pittsburgh protests, do you expect they're going to

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Speaker 1: be like the Minneapolis protests? The occasion for tragedy a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous A number of outsiders and a lot of national

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Speaker 1: media that the same thing going to happen again.

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Speaker 10: There was a lot of outsiders there. There are a

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Speaker 10: lot of troublemakers there. There are also just regular people

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Speaker 10: who that's what the side of the ideological curve they

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Speaker 10: are on. So far, they have not they have not

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Speaker 10: gotten out of hand. However, even they get concerned, the

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Speaker 10: locals get concerned that people will infiltrate their protests. They've

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Speaker 10: been pretty pedestrian. There hasn't been anything crazy that's happened.

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Speaker 1: Has Governor Shapiro or Senator Fetterman said anything to the

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Speaker 1: protesters about not interfering with law enforcement?

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Speaker 8: No, No, betterman has.

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Speaker 10: Betterman has been pretty striding about about not interfering and

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Speaker 10: if people are legal, they should follow the law.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a big opportunity here for Josh Shapiro,

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Speaker 1: as a former attorney general, not to side with anyone,

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Speaker 1: but just to say the law must be observed. If

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Speaker 1: he does that, I know we'll read about it first

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Speaker 1: in a Selena Zito column. Follow her again on next

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Speaker 1: at Zito Selena, or go get sign up for all

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Speaker 1: of her work at every newspaper in America. It appears

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Speaker 1: at Selenazito dot com. Thank you, Sulline. I'll be right

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Speaker 1: back in America. Stay too, working back of America. I'm you, Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Eleana Johnson is editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon.

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Speaker 1: She's also a contributor to the commentary podcast almost every morning.

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Speaker 1: I am not listed this morning, Eleiana, because I was

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Speaker 1: here early taping an interview with our friend Dennis Prager

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Speaker 1: is back in the game with a brand new book,

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Speaker 1: If There Is No God? So that cheered me up.

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Speaker 1: But then I heard about the Pootomac, and I'm worried

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Speaker 1: about you.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize that there was sewage on.

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Speaker 1: The banks of the Potomac as far as you can see.

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Speaker 1: Stay away from the river, Eliana.

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Speaker 12: Oh, don't worry you. You can actually see it out

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Speaker 12: my back window here, not the not the Pooh, but

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Speaker 12: the Toomac. And I'm on the Virginia side of the river.

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Speaker 12: So I think we're okay.

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't even go over the mem Bridge right now.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to have the ODI first experience, Ellianna.

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Speaker 1: I listen every day to commentary, and you folks are

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Speaker 1: working very hard not to obsess on Iran. But I

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Speaker 1: obsess on Iran every day. So I'm going to make

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Speaker 1: you obsess on Iran with me. How do you read

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Speaker 1: the tea leaves today?

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Speaker 12: You know you I heard the President put a ten

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Speaker 12: day time frame on this and say, well, we'll know

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Speaker 12: in the next ten days whether there will be military

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Speaker 12: action or whether these negotiations work out. I have to

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Speaker 12: say I don't put too much stock in this. As

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Speaker 12: you recall, the president put a two week timeframe on

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Speaker 12: negotiations and about forty eight hours later we had Operation

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Speaker 12: Midnight Hammer. But the best thing you I have read

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Speaker 12: on this is a piece of analysis by Walter Russell

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Speaker 12: Mead in the Wall Street Journal, who, just as a

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Speaker 12: student of Trump said, this is exactly where the president

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Speaker 12: wants to be, which is at the center of all

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Speaker 12: the news coverage, with the fate of a nation and

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Speaker 12: its leaders at his control. And he's at the center

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Speaker 12: of it all, and he can decide is he going

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Speaker 12: to try to take out the Malas. Is he going

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Speaker 12: to merely attack their nuclear program? Is he going to

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Speaker 12: agree to a bad deal and let the Malas live

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Speaker 12: another day? Is he going to do nothing at all?

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Speaker 12: This is where this is Trump's sweet spot and where

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Speaker 12: he likes to be. And I think why we are

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Speaker 12: seeing this drag out. Another potential reason is the potent

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Speaker 12: is the positioning of our military forces, which will allow

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Speaker 12: us to strike if the President wants, and I'm not

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Speaker 12: sure he's made up his mind, but also to defend

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Speaker 12: against any potential Iranian retaliation against us. And it does

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Speaker 12: seem like we aren't moving all of our potential you know,

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Speaker 12: many potential air defenses into the region.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want people to listen very closely to the

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Speaker 1: president of the boarded peace because he doesn't say after

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Speaker 1: ten days or so, and he doesn't say it's going

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Speaker 1: to be ten days. Here's what he says, cut number.

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Speaker 3: Two guitar countries. Nobody could have signed. You would have

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Speaker 3: had that threat. Nobody could have had You couldn't had

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Speaker 3: peace in the Middle East. So now we may have

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Speaker 3: to take it a step further, or we may not.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we're going to make a deal with You're going

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Speaker 3: to be you're gonna be finding out over the next

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Speaker 3: probably ten days.

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Speaker 1: So Aliana, he didn't say it's going to be ten

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Speaker 1: days before you find out.

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Speaker 4: He said, we're going to find out over the next

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Speaker 4: ten days. That could be now, could be now.

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Speaker 12: And Hugh, key to Trump's strategy and his approach to

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Speaker 12: world affairs is the preservation of the element of surprise,

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Speaker 12: and that is what you heard. He said, We'll see

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Speaker 12: how things play out. We may do something, we may not,

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Speaker 12: preserving optionality for himself. And the president likes to keep

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Speaker 12: both the news media and his adversaries on their toes

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Speaker 12: and prepared to be whacked upside the head.

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Speaker 1: So Eleiana, I'm going to ask Seth Mandel this later,

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Speaker 1: because Seth has an opinion of the vice president which

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Speaker 1: I don't share, that he's an isolationist.

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Speaker 4: Do you think he is? And on what is that

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Speaker 4: opinion based If you do, you know.

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Speaker 12: Hugh, I'm not sure we know fully what's in the

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Speaker 12: vice president's heart. I think right now we see him

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Speaker 12: out there supporting the president's policies, which is his job

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Speaker 12: as vice president, and he's been a pretty capable defender

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Speaker 12: of Trump's We saw that, particularly on the campaign trail,

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Speaker 12: and we see it when he tangles with the news media. Now,

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Speaker 12: if Vice President JD. Vance runs for president, we will

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Speaker 12: begin to see he'll have the chance to differentiate himself

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Speaker 12: from the president and to talk to the American people

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Speaker 12: about what his views on world affairs are and where

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Speaker 12: he stands, and have the chance to differentiate himself from

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Speaker 12: the president. But I don't think I'm in a position

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Speaker 12: to say what's in his heart and what his real

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Speaker 12: views are right now. It's simply not his job. And

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Speaker 12: he's been a really capable defender of this president.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been interviewing him his book came out, and

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Speaker 1: then when he ran for Senate a number of times

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Speaker 1: I moderated to debate. He has just never struck me

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Speaker 1: as an isolationist or a so called restrainer. But he's

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Speaker 1: got this rap, right, I mean, you hear the rap

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Speaker 1: all the time. This reputation for being from the restrainer wing,

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Speaker 1: that is sort of overblown in my view. But if

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Speaker 1: I can be corrected by all me, what's the best

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Speaker 1: case that he's a restrainer, I don't know of any sure.

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Speaker 12: I think the case for that is that he's got

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Speaker 12: close friends and allies in that wing, including Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 12: You know, he's a close friend and not only that,

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Speaker 12: but instrumental to his political rise and both in this

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Speaker 12: White House. You see it on the president too. Win

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Speaker 12: Folks in that wing of the party, you know, step

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Speaker 12: in it. The Vice president and the President are reluctant

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Speaker 12: to criticize, you know, they don't criticize people who like

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Speaker 12: them and who are a part of their coalition. And

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Speaker 12: what we will see that shake out when there's a

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Speaker 12: primary campaign and there are other Republicans. We're already starting

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Speaker 12: to see it with Ted Cruz and others hitting this admit,

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Speaker 12: hitting the Vice president and others. But we're really going

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Speaker 12: to see it ahead of twenty twenty eight when this

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Speaker 12: becomes an issue in a Republican primary.

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Speaker 1: Ellianna quick exit question. I think it will be a

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Speaker 1: multi candidate primary. I think they'll be at least three

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Speaker 1: others besides the Vice president. What do you think?

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Speaker 11: I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 12: I think it's going to be quite a big field

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Speaker 12: as the battle to define post trump Ism and to

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Speaker 12: succeed President Trump plays out, and likewise on the Democratic side,

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Speaker 12: I think it's going to be quite a big field.

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Speaker 12: One thing I will say, Hugh, and I think we

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Speaker 12: saw this in Munich with AOC and Gretchen Whitmer being

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Speaker 12: pressed on world affairs and stumbling quite visibly and embarrassingly.

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Speaker 12: I do think the democratic field, though it's vaunted and

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Speaker 12: puffed up by the by the legacy media, is quite overrated.

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Speaker 1: Oh do you remember You're not old enough, but you

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Speaker 1: might remember your dad's copy of commentary defining devanc down

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Speaker 1: by Patrick moynihan. Of course, the last week is defining

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Speaker 1: competence down. But they had to define it down for

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Speaker 1: Whitmer and Gavin and especially for AOC. Josh Holmes on

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Speaker 1: this show said, AOC, you would think she would know

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Speaker 1: about Spanish horses. Her last name is Cortes. After all,

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Speaker 1: Eleian always good to see you. Follow Eleana on exit,

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Speaker 1: Eleanna Y Johnson, follow me to the next segment on

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Speaker 1: The Hugh Hewitt Show, Morning Glory and even Grace America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh hewittt welcome please to be joined by the

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Speaker 1: United States Senator from Arkansas, Senator Tom Cotton, Chairman of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Conference and Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee,

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Speaker 1: and a noted New England Patriots fan. It's taken him

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Speaker 1: a week to recover from that. Senator Cotton, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're feeling better.

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Speaker 13: Go back on with you now, Senator I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know if you're glad to tell me.

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Speaker 1: You remember the Gang of Eight that gets brief when

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Speaker 1: big things are about to happen. Are you allowed to

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Speaker 1: tell me if you've been brief yet?

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Speaker 13: Now, Hugh, you know we're not session this week, so

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Speaker 13: all of Congress is scattered all across the country, somewhere

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Speaker 13: around the world. I'm here in Arkansas. I just look

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Speaker 13: to Ourccount and Judge Association, not being a secure font

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Speaker 13: near a secure phone. I've just been enjoying the time

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Speaker 13: on campaign trail and with my fellow or Cansons. But

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Speaker 13: obviously we're staying in close touch with the President his

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Speaker 13: senior team and strongly supportive of what they're doing to

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Speaker 13: try to make a run or to eliminate the threat

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Speaker 13: from Iran once and for all.

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Speaker 4: Senta.

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Speaker 1: I'll come back to that, but I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you about the campaign we're on. In Little Rock, we

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Speaker 1: cover a lot of the state. Is anyone running against

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Speaker 1: you this time? Or are you getting another Ali Ali

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Speaker 1: in Free No?

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Speaker 13: No, Hugh, that's pretty rare to see, right, Yeah, I've

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Speaker 13: got a couple opponents of my primary, a couple of

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Speaker 13: Democrats vying for the general election. So the election is

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Speaker 13: just about ten days away now on March third. Early

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Speaker 13: voting it is underway. So if you're in the natural

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Speaker 13: you haven't voted yet, please out and vote somehow in

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Speaker 13: the next few days.

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Speaker 4: I concurring that please go and do that.

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Speaker 1: I just had Chip roy Ono is running in Texas

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Speaker 1: and they also have early voting. Now I'm not up

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Speaker 1: to day on the calendar. Let's turn to a ron.

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Speaker 1: Let me play for you what the President had to

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Speaker 1: say on his flight down to Georgia last hour. Senator Cotton,

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Speaker 1: can we play that Harley Day on.

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Speaker 10: A lot sad things will happen, you know a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's really what will that. I'm not going to

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Speaker 4: talk you about that.

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Speaker 10: You're just look cool to get their fifth in US

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Speaker 10: mel expos.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna make a deal, or we're gonna get a

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Speaker 3: deal one way or the other.

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Speaker 6: Starting to wait out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk to you about that, but

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Speaker 3: we're either going to get a deal or it's going

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Speaker 3: to be unfortunate for them, then.

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Speaker 12: A deadline firm field.

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Speaker 8: I would think that would be enough time.

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Speaker 3: Ten to fifteen days pretty much maximum.

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Speaker 1: So pretty much maximum, But he doesn't say it's going

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Speaker 1: to be ten or fifteen days. Senator Cotton, you're a

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Speaker 1: pretty expert listening to and translating the president.

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Speaker 13: What's he saying, well, Hughes, what he's been saying for

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Speaker 13: more than a decade now is that we cannot tolerate

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Speaker 13: a nuclear run. For that matter, we can't tolerate a

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Speaker 13: nuclear run that is armed with thousands of ballistic missiles

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Speaker 13: that can target not just our troops in the region,

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Speaker 13: but also our friends in the region and much of

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Speaker 13: the civilized world. And finally, we can't tolerate fanatical, revolutionary

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Speaker 13: theocratic regime that supports terrorists like Amos and has Belond

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Speaker 13: others that have the blood of thousands of Americans on

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Speaker 13: their hands. These are pretty reasonable requests by the United

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Speaker 13: States and by Israel that Iran no longer export terror

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Speaker 13: and violence and chaos. But of course they've been doing

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Speaker 13: that for forty seven years, so color me skeptical about

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Speaker 13: their willingness to change their spots at this late hour.

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Speaker 1: Sata, you know that dictators can capitulate Kadothee capitulated on

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Speaker 1: his WMD nukes chemical scots in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Is that what it would take

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Speaker 1: for us to hold off from attacking them?

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Speaker 13: Yes, you that there are clear models. As I've said

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Speaker 13: for more than a decade, if Iran could come in

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Speaker 13: from the cold and uh turn the page uh Wmark

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Speaker 13: Cadoppi and Libya is maybe the best example of that. Again,

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Speaker 13: repressive dictator who had the blood of lots of Americans.

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Speaker 4: On his hands.

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Speaker 13: In two thousand and three, he was scared straight and

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Speaker 13: he threw the doors open, and he told America, come in,

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Speaker 13: take everything, take my nuclear research, my biological and chemical research,

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Speaker 13: and weapons. I don't want to be next. And over

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Speaker 13: the next eight years he became in essence of day

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Speaker 13: facto ally and fill Barack Obama foolishly overthrew them and

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Speaker 13: opened up what's been the chaotic civil war ever since

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Speaker 13: and kind of uncorked the rest of Africa, creating migration crises.

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Speaker 13: But that's what genuine disarmament would look like. If Iran said, here,

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Speaker 13: take all of our nukes. By the way, we don't

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Speaker 13: need we don't need ballistic missiles that I can shoot

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Speaker 13: halfway around the world either and we promise, well, I'll

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Speaker 13: only cut off from ofs and has blah. We'll give

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Speaker 13: you the keys of the kingdom and tell you where

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Speaker 13: all the money's been going and where they're located, and

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Speaker 13: how you can get a hold of them.

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Speaker 1: Senator, yesterday the mender nick of ms now Ben Rhoades

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Speaker 1: posted that we're on the brink of war and there's

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Speaker 1: been no debate, no talk, no resolution in Congress. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I assume everybody in Congress is talking about

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Speaker 1: Iran to each other. And I also assume the AUMF

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Speaker 1: from two thousand and one is adequate to the day.

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Speaker 1: But I also assume the president's inherent Article two power

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Speaker 1: is adequate to the day.

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Speaker 13: What do you think, Well, yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 13: the president, as commander in chief, has the authority, all

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Speaker 13: the authority he needs in the Constitution to take military

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Speaker 13: action to safeguard this country. It's rich that the Obama

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Speaker 13: crew would be talking about military action with any need

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Speaker 13: debate or vote in Congress. That's exactly what Barack Obama

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Speaker 13: did in twenty eleven when he toppled Umar Kadaffi. The

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Speaker 13: difference is tough. The Cadafi by that time was a

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Speaker 13: de facto ally for American Iran is the most virulent

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Speaker 13: anti American regime in the world. And that's the real

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Speaker 13: dividing line for the Obama crew and the Democrats is

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Speaker 13: they always want to attack and undermine our allies and

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Speaker 13: to appease and capitulate to our enemies.

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Speaker 1: Now, I also recall that during Team Obama era, they

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Speaker 1: did not follow They entered into a treaty with Iran,

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Speaker 1: a bad treaty, a bad deal. You wrote a letter

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Speaker 1: to the Iranian government time, it's not a treaty because

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Speaker 1: they didn't submit it to US. I believe the same

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Speaker 1: would apply to President Trump if they entered into a

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Speaker 1: deal with US. You ought to go to the Senate, right.

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Speaker 13: You know. I made two simple observations in that letter,

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Speaker 13: along with forty six other Republican senators. One, if you

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Speaker 13: don't have a treaty with the United States, you don't

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Speaker 13: have much because it can just be reversed by the

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Speaker 13: next president. And to remember, the United States Senate has

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Speaker 13: staggered six year terms, So what's Barack Obama left to say?

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Speaker 13: The Senate would be there much longer if the President

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Speaker 13: gets any kind of reasonable and forceal deal. Again, I'm

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Speaker 13: skeptical that he will, because the Ietolas have never been

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Speaker 13: willing to surrender their nuclear weapons or their missiles. Then yes,

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Speaker 13: we would want to review that in Congress.

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Speaker 1: Now, mister Rhodes wrote, I want to quote it to

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Speaker 1: no legal basis and no debate in Congress about what

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Speaker 1: could be a major war, with no clear sense of

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Speaker 1: what the objective is or what comes next. Let's focus

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Speaker 1: on the second part. I think that's incorrect. My clear

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Speaker 1: objective is getting the Ietolos away from power, transitioning to

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Speaker 1: any government that isn't theocratically crazy, and as millennial ambitions

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Speaker 1: to end the world. What's your end objective for Iran,

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Speaker 1: Senator Cotton, I.

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Speaker 13: Think that puts it well. As the President said, of course,

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Speaker 13: it will will be a better place if the regime

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Speaker 13: was changed in Iran. That doesn't mean that America is

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Speaker 13: going to do so militarily, or do so with a

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Speaker 13: hundred thousand troops. But who can doubt that the world

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Speaker 13: would be a better place, to include Iran itself, if

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Speaker 13: you didn't have craze theocratic dictators oppressing their own people

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Speaker 13: and radiating violence, chaos, and revolution across Iran's borders.

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Speaker 1: A Senator, do you have any idea who might be

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Speaker 1: the transitional leadership? The Crown Prince has been on this

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Speaker 1: program since last week talked, but he's an expat He's

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Speaker 1: been an exile for forty seven years.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there are other forces within the regime

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Speaker 1: that could step forward as did in Venezuela. Former allies

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Speaker 1: of Maduro stepped forward as soon as the guy was gone.

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Speaker 13: Well, I'll put it this way. I would suspect, given

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Speaker 13: human nature, that there's more than a few senior leaders

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Speaker 13: in Tehran who look at what happened to Duro and

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Speaker 13: look at what's happened in that country since then, who

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Speaker 13: are thinking themselves. I'd like Elci Rodriguez's deal, not Nicholas's

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Speaker 13: Maduro's deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yea question, Senator.

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Speaker 4: In terms of.

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Speaker 1: The costs of this operation, it's extraordinary to forward stage

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Speaker 1: this number of people. And I just saw a picture

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Speaker 1: of the number of tankers we've got at the Sofia

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Speaker 1: airport in Bulgaria.

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Speaker 4: England United Kingdom will not let.

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Speaker 1: Us use their bases, but Bulgaria is letting us use

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Speaker 1: their basis. Does that call for some kind of rethinking

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Speaker 1: about who's our friend and who isn't.

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Speaker 13: Well, Hugh, I haven't seen that reports. I don't want

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Speaker 13: to comment on it, but if any one of our

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Speaker 13: allies is closing their airspace or closing off their bases,

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Speaker 13: let's just say I think it calls for a direct

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Speaker 13: and frank phone call from the president. If not a

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Speaker 13: direct and frank post on his social media accounts.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope we get that too. I cheated one

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Speaker 1: more question. Do we need a supplemental for defense? Given

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Speaker 1: the amount of expenditure that's going into this forward push.

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Speaker 13: We're very vulmid you, especially if approporations are delayed again.

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Speaker 13: You know, we've spent a large amount. That's a large

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Speaker 13: amount in the department last summer during or in the

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Speaker 13: Working Family Tax Cut Act, and we just increased in

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Speaker 13: the last yearday and your appropriation spending a little bit.

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Speaker 13: It still needs more, though to be determined, whether that's

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Speaker 13: in a short term supplemental or in the typical appropriations process.

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Speaker 4: Center.

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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton, thank you for joining us from the campaign

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Speaker 1: trailer in Arkansas. I always appreciate it, and I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you again next week. Don't go anywhere in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming right back with Vic Mattis of the Washington

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Speaker 1: Free Beacon, and we've got more President Trump talking at

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Speaker 1: the Institute or at the boarded Piece today and what

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Speaker 1: he had to say, as well as Vice President Vance.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot more ahead. Don't go anywhere. Stay

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Speaker 1: tuned to the Salem News Channel if you've missed anything.

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Speaker 1: We put on thost all of our interviews over at

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Speaker 1: my YouTube channel, Hugh Hewlett YouTube. But stay tuned the

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Speaker 1: Salem News Channel to watch them all, or do these

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Speaker 1: great radio stations that you're listening to, because I'll be

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Speaker 1: right back with a lot more on what's going on

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Speaker 1: in Iran in the latest development's got.

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Speaker 4: My eye on the web.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America, little free bird for you, Vic Madis.

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Speaker 4: Do you know why I'm playing that?

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Speaker 14: You're thinking of the Super Bowl commercial for No blud

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Speaker 14: Wiser or No Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing a prominent role in the Olympics today, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing any spoilers. Okay, I think I heard something.

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Speaker 1: I'm setting the table. I'm setting the table, Vic Madison.

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Speaker 1: I'm mad at you, I know.

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Speaker 8: Do you know why I do?

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Speaker 14: Because I was talking about bad football teams and for

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Speaker 14: some insane, crazy reason that I cannot explain, I have

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Speaker 14: no excuse you. I said the Cleveland Browns. We were

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Speaker 14: talking about bad teams playing overseas because we're trying to

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Speaker 14: marry Catherine, and I were trying to explain about how

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Speaker 14: to gin up excitement beyond our borders for American football.

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Speaker 14: But every time they have some event taking place, either

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Speaker 14: in Germany or in Britain or somewhere else in the future,

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Speaker 14: it's always kind of two teams that do fairly bad.

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Speaker 4: And for some reason, I said.

871
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Speaker 14: Cleveland, and I know I should have known better. As

872
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 14: soon as I said it, I thought he was going

873
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 14: to hear this, and I know I should have said

874
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 14: the Jets.

875
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 4: I did hear that. But that's not the reason.

876
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Speaker 1: That's why I always ask an open ended questions. That's

877
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: because people interrogate themselves and they fall and I feel

878
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: like Peter Falk right now, it's Colombo. That's not the

879
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: reason I didn't mind me about the Browns. The reason

880
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: is from the latest episode of Getting Hammered.

881
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Speaker 6: Okay, no, I don't remember.

882
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: Why you're mad. Okay, go ahead, you take that.

883
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: On Fat Tuesday, and you talked extensively about Chinese food

884
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: and how great it is and Peking gourmet and how

885
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: he does that duck. You went on forever about what

886
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: you'd like to eat at Chinese restaurant, and then it

887
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: drops on ash Wednesday.

888
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: Vic Maddis, I know.

889
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 11: It's unfair for the rest.

890
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 14: Of us who have to fast and that fast thing

891
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 14: involves you know, it's it's a very peculiar thing, Hugh,

892
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Speaker 14: as you know as a fellow Catholic, because it's like,

893
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 14: you know, two small meals that don't equal the larger meal,

894
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 14: but if your larger meal happens to be a Chinese buffet,

895
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 14: you could pretty much eat anything you want. So that

896
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Speaker 14: was unfair for most of us because all we're doing

897
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 14: is thinking about food the one day we feel like

898
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Speaker 14: we can't have it.

899
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Speaker 1: So which you guilty is charged You talked about it

900
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, so you could run out to your local

901
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: Chinese deli and grab as much kung pow whatever that

902
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: you wanted, and then the rest of us are heard

903
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Now I want to go to doppelganger. You

904
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: were talking about being mistaken in front of people. I

905
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Speaker 1: didn't recognize the name of the person with the blockhead

906
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Speaker 1: that you don't like being compared to.

907
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: Yes, who is that?

908
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 8: Yes?

909
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 5: That is the professional golf for kJ CHOI.

910
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 14: He's a very good golfer, so that we actually don't

911
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 14: have in common. But when my good friend pointed that out,

912
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 14: you know, the first thing I think.

913
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 4: Is do we all look the same?

914
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 14: And then I went to check him out and I said,

915
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 14: my goodness, the skeletal structure his head size is eerily,

916
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 14: eerily similar. And I said, okay, that was fair, all right?

917
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: So I came up with for Mary Catherine Audrey Hepburn,

918
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's a very good match.

919
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 4: And I've gott an agreement from people.

920
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: But I have two doppel gangers, at least i've been

921
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: accused of to. One is the former lieutenant governor of Missouri.

922
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: And if you're watching on the Salem News channel, here's

923
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Speaker 1: Peter Kinder.

924
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 14: What do you think, vic, Yeah, that looks like a

925
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 14: twit of yours.

926
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Speaker 4: Definitely then perhaps older.

927
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: At the two thousand and seven American League Championship game,

928
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm there with my brother Rob ganarian Patrick Wilson, and

929
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: a fan stumbles by and says you you you're Stephen

930
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: King And this is what Stephen King looks like.

931
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 4: And I was not happy.

932
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Speaker 8: No.

933
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Speaker 14: I mean maybe they were thinking about your writing somehow

934
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 14: that they just thought, you know, there's a lot about

935
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 14: the creativity that flows through you. You know, there's some

936
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 14: similarity just in the eyes.

937
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 5: But that's about.

938
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: It, all right, Let's go to the key issue of

939
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: the day, the Pootomac. I have been following this from Afar, like, really, Afar,

940
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad I left DC last week.

941
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 4: Where can you smell it? Well, this is the thing.

942
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 14: This happened in late January, just before the big storm

943
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 14: was to happen, So that is not an excuse for

944
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 14: why there hadn't been better coverage, at least on the

945
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 14: local level. But then when that happened, all anybody wanted

946
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 14: to talk about was the snow Creek. And somehow it's

947
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 14: like we almost wanted to convince ourself that it was.

948
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Speaker 15: So cold that the sewage spell would just be frozen

949
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Speaker 15: in place.

950
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 4: That is not true at all.

951
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 14: It comes out of the pipes and it's just spilling

952
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 14: on top of the surface of what normally would be

953
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Speaker 14: the water.

954
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Speaker 4: So it was even worse.

955
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Speaker 14: I mean, you've seen the video and footage of this

956
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 14: now with the toilet paper. It's absolutely disgusting. We are

957
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 14: down here, we don't smell it yet. This isn't the summertime.

958
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 14: We just got an email from Arlington County assuring us

959
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Speaker 14: our drinking water is safe because it comes from a

960
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Speaker 14: source further upstream.

961
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Speaker 4: They say that said.

962
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Speaker 14: Everybody around us is saying do not go into the water. Now,

963
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Speaker 14: that's impossible. Right now, I look out my office window

964
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 14: and the Potomac was still largely frozen. But you oftentimes

965
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Speaker 14: see in the late spring, well into the summer and fall,

966
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Speaker 14: people love to go kayaking, people love to do all

967
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Speaker 14: sorts of water sports. And even before the spill, Hue,

968
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Speaker 14: we were told, you know, don't fall in the water,

969
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Speaker 14: and definitely don't, you know, consume any of the water.

970
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Speaker 14: But now it's just downright deadly and that's disappointing. In particular, Hue,

971
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Speaker 14: where the spill happened is Cabin John. I don't know

972
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Speaker 14: if you're familiar with that area. It's near the American

973
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Speaker 14: Legion Bridge, Carter Rock. The Glen Echo Park is a beautiful,

974
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 14: beautiful area in Maryland where a lot of people can

975
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Speaker 14: go hiking. There are a lot of nature trails, not anymore.

976
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Speaker 4: So you know, accountability is needed. Have you ever read

977
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 4: Steven Johnson's The Map? By chance? I have no.

978
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Speaker 1: The Ghost Map is about the eighteen fifty one cholera

979
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: epidemic in London. And the cholera epidemic began when there

980
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Speaker 1: was a mixture of human waste with well water in

981
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Speaker 1: London and it spread throughout the city through the pipes.

982
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: So I'm not buying Arlington, don't. Are they sure there

983
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: is no way for that Cholera travels by human waste?

984
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, why is that lot London?

985
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 14: Yeah, Well, the good thing is that even if they're

986
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 14: wrong about it, I'm pretty sure they'll still all have

987
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 14: their jobs because, as you know, you know, there's no

988
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 14: account But it's all Democrats here, I mean, and they

989
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 14: keep on getting re elected year after year.

990
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 4: There's no other alternative. I wish there were.

991
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 14: And you're talking about what happened up in cabbage On,

992
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 14: that's up in Maryland and so I mean, yeah, there's

993
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 14: the DC Water Authority that's involved. The EPA of course

994
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 14: now should be obviously has to be involved. And Leezelden

995
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 14: is only now getting into it, but this is a

996
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 14: very serious spelling and.

997
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 4: His first month on the job.

998
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Speaker 1: He had the Pacific Palisades with all the burned up

999
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: batteries that had to be disposed of. Now a year

1000
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: in he gets to Pootomac and I don't know that

1001
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: he signed up for a job that meant clearing up

1002
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: all this bleep, but he did. That's his job now, right,

1003
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: it's inner jurisdiction on it's federal.

1004
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, And I'm pretty sure that reporters will

1005
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 14: be definitely on him for that. Where the reporters were

1006
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 14: earlier is a good question. Again, we talk about the

1007
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 14: need for better metro reporting. There are some local sources

1008
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 14: obviously that we're doing a good job, but a lot

1009
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Speaker 14: of it is, you know, I mean, there doesn't seem

1010
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 14: to be a sense of urgency. Certainly when this first

1011
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 14: thing happened. You had local news radio, as you know,

1012
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 14: doing this, but none of the major papers were really

1013
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 14: spending that much time on what happened, I think, but I.

1014
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: Mean all over it, but I mean covering it closely,

1015
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: very quickly. Kudos on the Free Beacon review by the

1016
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: latest atheist to try and get on the atheist train.

1017
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: I thought the review was one of the most devastating

1018
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: I've ever read who wrote that, the guy.

1019
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: From the Ethics and Public Policy.

1020
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 14: Yeah, that is Carl Truman, a Protestant theologian. But it

1021
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 14: was my good friend and you know him as well,

1022
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 14: George Wigel, who said, you got to get.

1023
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 15: Carl to review this book. It's going to be something else.

1024
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 15: And he did not disappoint when you torture book right

1025
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 15: down to the blurbs. I mean he even took down

1026
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 15: the blurbs. That's a thorough construction of a book.

1027
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: Always good to talk to.

1028
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 3: Vic Madison, guitar coutries. Nobody could have signed you would

1029
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: have had that threat. Nobody could have had. You couldn't

1030
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: had peace in the Middle East. So now we may

1031
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: have to take it a step further, or we may

1032
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: maybe we're gonna make a deal. You're gonna be finding

1033
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: out over the next probably ten days.

1034
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Probably ten days, Josh Crosser joined Vanitor in chief of

1035
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: Jewish Insider. How do you interpret probably ten days, Josh.

1036
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 16: Well, I have the same analysis that we've been talking

1037
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 16: about for the last several weeks, which is that Trump

1038
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 16: would like to make a good deal with getting Iran

1039
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 16: to give up its ballistic missiles, not continue building its

1040
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 16: nuclear facilities and preventing all of its rogue activities in

1041
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 16: the Middle East. Iran has not the diplomatic meetings in Geneva,

1042
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 16: but nowhere, Iran has not put anything on the table.

1043
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 16: The Wall Street Journal just came out with a breaking

1044
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 16: news report that Trump seems to be thinking about a

1045
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 16: very limited strike against Iran as a means to try

1046
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 16: to get them back to the bargaining table and to

1047
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 16: actually make concessions to show that he's serious about a

1048
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 16: more extended military engagement. But my read of Trump is

1049
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 16: that he would really like to make a deal. The Iranians,

1050
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 16: as has been their ideology for decades under the IATOLA,

1051
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 16: don't believe in giving up their nuclear program and their

1052
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 16: rogue regimes and their roague activities in the region. That's

1053
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 16: going to really force Trump's hands. So we'll see where

1054
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 16: things go. I was I think I said on the

1055
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 16: show cue that I was sort of skeptical that Trump

1056
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 16: would go ahead with military action.

1057
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 8: I don't think he wants to. I think he preferred diplomacy.

1058
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Speaker 16: But given Iranian and transigence, we may actually see the

1059
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Speaker 16: propect of military now.

1060
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: Now, Josh, I've got the Wall Street Journal story in

1061
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: front of me on the desktop. Trump Way's initial limited

1062
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: strike to force Iran into a nuclear deal it begins.

1063
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: President Trump is weighing an initial military strike on Iran

1064
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: to force it to meet his demands for a nuclear deal,

1065
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: a first step that would be designed to pressure Tehran

1066
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: to an agreement, but fall short of a full scale

1067
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: attack that could inspire a major retaliation. The opening assault,

1068
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: which if authorized, could come within days, would target a

1069
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: few military or government sites. People familiar with the matters

1070
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: said if Iran still refused to comply with Trump's directive

1071
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: to end its nuclear in Richmond, the US would respond

1072
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Speaker 1: with a broad campaign against regime facility, potentially aimed at

1073
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: toppling the Tehran regime. First of all, that's really ambiguous sourcing. Uh,

1074
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: it's not senior age to the president, well informed official.

1075
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: It's people familiar. That's like the worst sourcing, isn't it, Josh?

1076
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Speaker 16: It is and it's I was amused earlier in the

1077
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Speaker 16: week when there was an initial readout from an unnamed

1078
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 16: US official of the talks with the Iranians in Geneva

1079
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 16: that that they seem to go well and it turned

1080
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 16: out they were a disaster. That the Iranians didn't agreet anything.

1081
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 16: So I always am cautious about leaping to any great

1082
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 16: conclusions based on one unnamed source, especially in this White House,

1083
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Speaker 16: there's a lot of different views on foreign policy, so

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Speaker 16: I think that's extra significant in this case.

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Speaker 4: But look, I do think given and you've you've laid

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Speaker 4: it out on.

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Speaker 16: The show so with such detail, Q, But the scope

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Speaker 16: of the build up over the last month in the

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Speaker 16: in the Middle East, in the Gulf, suggesting you know

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Speaker 16: this is that Trump is not playing around and he

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Speaker 16: is very committed to at least the option of military strike.

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Speaker 1: Again, Josh, again having I'm not crediting this report, but

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Speaker 1: let's assume for the sake of argument that there's.

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Speaker 4: Some truth to it.

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Speaker 1: It would be a very bad idea to do a

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Speaker 1: limited strike and give Iron the opportunity to let go

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Speaker 1: with a fuseilot, as opposed to a debilitating major first

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Speaker 1: strike to take out all their missile capacity that we could.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a general, I have never served

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Speaker 1: in the military. I read spy thrillers and I talked

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Speaker 1: to generals, but that just seemed to me to be

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Speaker 1: a really bad choice.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Well, I.

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Speaker 16: Think perhaps the worst option would be that you kind

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Speaker 16: of have this symbolic pin prick that's staged, go back

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Speaker 16: to the parkeating table, and hope to get anything.

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Speaker 4: More out of there.

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Speaker 16: I don't when I say stage, I don't mean that

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Speaker 16: it's it's not you know that they they're asking for this.

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Speaker 16: But you know the fact is that there's a lot

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Speaker 16: of symbolic, you know, activity that that may not do

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Speaker 16: much at all to degrade or Adian military capabilities, do

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Speaker 16: very little to really the message about the US being serious.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, I mean, I do think the worry is

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Speaker 16: that Trump doesn't want to go to war and he's

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Speaker 16: trying to figure out, you know, a way out, and

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Speaker 16: Rand is not giving that. They're not conceding anything. So

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Speaker 16: you know, on one hand, it looks like we are

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Speaker 16: prepared to go to war with Iran. On the other hand,

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Speaker 16: it does seem like there's some indecisiveness from the president

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Speaker 16: and that's not a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Well, again, I question whether or not he's just not

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Speaker 1: doing the strategic confusion dance again, but I do think

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Speaker 1: a pinprick or a symbolic strike is the worst idea

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Speaker 1: I've seen because of what Hamani has said and as

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Speaker 1: generals have said, which is massive retaliation for any kind

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Speaker 1: of strike. That means Israel gets every ballistic missile they

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Speaker 1: can get off in round one, doesn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's certainly could could be the case.

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Speaker 8: And I think if this.

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Speaker 16: Is not something you don't play with the military for

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Speaker 16: symbolic strikes. You go and have a mission, whether it's

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Speaker 16: to take out you know, nuclear facilities as we do

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Speaker 16: in the Twelve Day War, whether it's to you know,

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Speaker 16: get rid of some of their ballistic missiles that they've

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Speaker 16: been building up and getting from other other road countries,

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Speaker 16: whether it's to you know, attack the IRGC because they've

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Speaker 16: been slaughtering Iranian civilians like this guy. And frankly, I

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Speaker 16: think the president would be well advised to speak in

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Speaker 16: front of the country to actually lay out the mission

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Speaker 16: and the goals and why we're building up our military

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Speaker 16: uh uh.

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Speaker 8: Personnel in the in the Gulf.

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Speaker 16: But you know, I think that's that's that's the big

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Speaker 16: There's a lot of there's some Look, Trump has been good,

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Speaker 16: as you said to you, about kind of being being

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Speaker 16: coy about his intentions.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes that's a good thing.

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Speaker 16: But I do think that the clarity and in the

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Speaker 16: mission and what the goal is. It would be helpful to,

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Speaker 16: at least from the American.

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Speaker 1: Public's point of view, well, we might get that in

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Speaker 1: the State of the Union. We also might get an

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Speaker 1: announcement during the State of the Union that the bombing

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Speaker 1: of Iran is underway. With this president, you can't tell.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how you read the Israeli leaks, which are

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Speaker 1: not quite big, you know, six feet from the shelter,

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Speaker 1: but getting there.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, we had a report in Yesterday's Jewish Insider

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Speaker 16: that they don't expect an imminage military strike this weekend

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Speaker 16: the Israelis, So you know that that was one sense

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Speaker 16: about the timetable. Look Prime Minister notting Now who made

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Speaker 16: a very short visit to DC to meet with President Trump.

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Speaker 16: They didn't have any press briefings after. They didn't talk

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Speaker 16: to to the to the press or do do the

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Speaker 16: traditional kind of Trump comment uh after Trump, you know,

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Speaker 16: conversations with the media after.

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Speaker 8: The after the meeting.

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Speaker 4: So, I mean, I think that means they must have

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Speaker 4: had some very.

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Speaker 16: Serious talks about, you know, gaming out what would happen

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Speaker 16: if the US does that does indeed strike I ran

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Speaker 16: And then there's reporting that you know Israelis would also

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Speaker 16: be involved in such a military action.

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Speaker 4: There's a reporting.

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Speaker 1: Whatever you want to read, you can go and find

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Speaker 1: and read actually somewhere because nobody knows nothing except Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and maybe Prime Minister and Josh cross Our follow

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Speaker 1: him on actual Josh cross Hower follow me in the

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Speaker 1: next segment of Today is you would give a show

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Speaker 1: stay tuned, Good Morning Glory and even grash America. I'm

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Speaker 1: h it is Thursday. It is ragning like Madden California.

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Speaker 1: But all eyes aren't on California. They're on Iran, including

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Speaker 1: those of former United States Senator Jim Talon, who's on

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Speaker 1: the Reagan Institute's Security Board. Jim Talent, Welcome back, Senator.

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Speaker 1: I want to begin by asking you about Ben Rhoades,

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Speaker 1: former Deputy National Security advisor to President Obama, posted yesterday

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Speaker 1: quote no legal basis and no debate in Congress about

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Speaker 1: what could be a major war with no clear sense

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Speaker 1: of what the objective is or what comes next? End

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Speaker 1: quote and post.

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Speaker 8: What do you think, Well, let's take the objectives first.

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Speaker 17: You and I anticipated you asking about Ben Rhoads, and

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Speaker 17: so I went and printed off page five of the

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Speaker 17: National Security Strategy. You know, if this goes on much longer,

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Speaker 17: I'm going to end up reading all of page five

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Speaker 17: at one point or another, because I read part of

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Speaker 17: it after the Venezuelan operation. Here it is, by the way,

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Speaker 17: and you notice the bold part, you know, which our

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Speaker 17: audience can't read yet, I'll read it to you.

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Speaker 8: That's about the Middle East.

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Speaker 17: It says we want to prevent an adversarial power from

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Speaker 17: dominating the Middle East. It's oil and gas supplies and

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Speaker 17: the choke points through which they pass while avoiding the

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Speaker 17: forever wars that bogged us down in that region at

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Speaker 17: great costs.

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Speaker 8: So what is the adversarial power?

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Speaker 17: Who is it that wants to dominate the Middle East

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Speaker 17: shove their version of sharia law down everybody's throat to

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Speaker 17: include most especially the Gulf States, and has threatened to

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Speaker 17: and would love to shut down the choke points for

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Speaker 17: oil and gas in the Middle East.

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Speaker 8: Who is that?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 17: It's Iran, right, And so what we're doing is preventing

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Speaker 17: that adversarial power, you know, from doing that. And the

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Speaker 17: operational goals, I think they're pretty clear. The president is

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Speaker 17: going for a big win, which is what he does.

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Speaker 17: And a big win would be somebody wearing a military

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Speaker 17: app in Iran, either now or after an attack, deciding

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Speaker 17: that they'd like to survive and maybe keep some of

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Speaker 17: the loot they've stolen from the country, so they push

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Speaker 17: home any aside and decide to play ball with us.

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Speaker 8: That would be a very big win.

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Speaker 17: But at minimum, if that doesn't happen, because the Mullas

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Speaker 17: are not going to make a deal. And if you

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Speaker 17: don't think Donald Trump knows that, you don't know Donald Trump,

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Speaker 17: he does not miss the obvious in a negotiation.

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Speaker 4: So okay, let me be hoping.

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Speaker 1: An hour ago, the Wall Street Journal posted a story

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Speaker 1: Trump weighs initial limited strike to force Iran into a

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Speaker 1: nuclear deal. It then reads, in the first two grabs,

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Speaker 1: President Trump is weighing an initial limited military strike on

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Speaker 1: Iran to force it to meet his demands for a

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Speaker 1: nuclear deal, a first step that would be designed to

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Speaker 1: pressure Tehran into an agreement, but fall short of a

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Speaker 1: full scale attack that could inspire a major retaliation. The

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Speaker 1: opening assault, which if authorized, could come within days, would

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Speaker 1: target a few millionlitary or government sites. People familiar with

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Speaker 1: the matter said, if Iran still refused to comply with

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Speaker 1: Trump's directive to end its nuclear enrichment. The US would

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Speaker 1: respond with a broad campaign against the regime, potentially aimed

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Speaker 1: at toppling the Tehran regime. These are sources familiar with

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Speaker 1: the situation. I think that's nonsense, Jim Tallon, because it

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Speaker 1: would give Iran a first strike on Israel and our allies.

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Speaker 8: I think it's highly unlikely.

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Speaker 17: I think when he hits, when we hit, and I

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Speaker 17: think we're going to end up doing it, because I

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Speaker 17: think the Molas are going to stay in control and

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Speaker 17: they're not going to do this deal. Although there's a chance,

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Speaker 17: I mean, Neil Ferguson thinks. On Dan Senor's show, he

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Speaker 17: indicated he thought there was a chance, and he had

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Speaker 17: some pretty good arguments for it.

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Speaker 8: No, I think we're going to hit him much harder

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Speaker 8: than that.

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Speaker 17: It is not only possible, but likely that we will

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Speaker 17: reserve some targets as secondary deterrence. And you've talked about

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Speaker 17: carc Island. I mean, but we can hit them very

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Speaker 17: hard while still retaining targets that will secondarily deter them.

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Speaker 8: And as I.

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Speaker 17: Said, I think the goal is either to get a

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Speaker 17: deal now that's not likely, to get a deal with

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Speaker 17: new leadership after a strike that's much more likely to

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Speaker 17: have the protesters come out again because they're encouraged by

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Speaker 17: after a strike, because they're encouraged, and because the regime

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Speaker 17: is weakened further, and overthrow the regime.

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Speaker 8: That's possible. And if we don't get.

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Speaker 17: Any of that, the minimum we're going to get out

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Speaker 17: of this is destroying their ballistic missile arsenal, which means

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Speaker 17: they will have lost two of their three tools of power.

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Speaker 17: They've lost the nuclear program and they've lost the ballistic missiles.

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Speaker 17: And because they're economies in the tank because of our sanctions,

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Speaker 17: they can't support the proxies anymore. So we're going to

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Speaker 17: get The odds are very high. We're going to get

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Speaker 17: a solid win out of this. The question is how

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Speaker 17: big a win? And if you read the art of

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Speaker 17: the deal, you you'll see this is exactly how Trump

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Speaker 17: set up all the deals he talks about there. I'm

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Speaker 17: on the chapter now with the Atlantic City Casino. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Well again, developers are deal people and they know what

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Speaker 1: they're doing on deals. Let me talk to you about

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Speaker 1: the deal with the United Kingdom. Harley, if you would

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Speaker 1: put up for our viewers on the Salem News Channel

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Speaker 1: and for Senator Talleng. This is a picture of Sofia

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Speaker 1: International Airport in Bulgaria with a half dozen KC one

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Speaker 1: thirty five's parked on the ramp last night. Now, Sofia's

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Speaker 1: in Bulgaria, which was on the wrong team during the

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Speaker 1: Cold War. So, when you and I were young men

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. The idea that Bulgaria would be

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Speaker 1: our partner, but the United Kingdom would be telling us

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Speaker 1: we can't use our air bases for this was unthinkable.

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Speaker 1: But that is the report out of the United Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: Jim Tallan, how do you think that sits with the President?

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Speaker 8: Well, I have a well.

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Speaker 17: You know how that sat with the and so do

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Speaker 17: I Look, i have a soft spot for the Brits,

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Speaker 17: and I'm hopeful. I think they're they're they're going through

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Speaker 17: a lot of internal turmoil. I hope they get to

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Speaker 17: the right place in the next couple of years. But

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Speaker 17: this is an example of exactly what our people have

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Speaker 17: been complaining about. I mean, first the President, then Vance,

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Speaker 17: then then the Speaker Johnson in his own way before

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Speaker 17: the House of Commons, and now Marco Rubio. Okay, we

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Speaker 17: have a foreign policy realist administration insofar as you can

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Speaker 17: capture Donald Trump's doctrine. And by the way, that's what

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Speaker 17: I think Vice President Vance is. Realists believe, and I

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Speaker 17: think they're right that the international order can only be

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Speaker 17: anchored and be stable if it's anchored by nation states

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Speaker 17: who nurture tools of power so they can achieve their

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Speaker 17: own uh strategic goals, but also so they can work

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Speaker 17: with with nations who have common interests and goals to

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Speaker 17: achieve the common goals. That assumes the other nations have

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Speaker 17: capabilities that can be actually of assistance. So the Europeans

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Speaker 17: have disarmed, They've driven their economies in the tank, and

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Speaker 17: now that I'm.

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Speaker 8: Going to let us use their air fields.

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Speaker 17: This is exactly why we're complaining about them as allies.

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Speaker 8: They need to hold up their end.

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Speaker 4: They have to hold up their end. They hadn't been.

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Speaker 1: This is the demnimous I mean just overflight right, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't cost them anything. It's our bases. They are a

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Speaker 1: NATO ally. I don't understand it. I'm hoping the reports

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Speaker 1: are wrong, but they are many. I want to circle

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Speaker 1: back and conclude where we began. The Obama Bros, the

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Speaker 1: Pod Bros, the kiddies who surrounded President Obama with Unicorn

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Speaker 1: and bubbles thinking during his eight years, why are they

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Speaker 1: so upset that Iran is teetering on the brink of collapse.

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Speaker 17: Well, because they had a foreign policy that was crazy

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Speaker 17: for the Middle East. Their policy was to try and

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Speaker 17: stabilize the Middle East around a partnership with iron which

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Speaker 17: was crazy. I mean that there was no way that

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Speaker 17: the Islamic Republic, while it was controlled by the Molas,

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Speaker 17: was ever going to try to do anything other than

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Speaker 17: dominate the region. And it's choke points to the detriment

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Speaker 17: of the United States. Oh and you I want to

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Speaker 17: address Rhodes's claimed that there has been no debate and

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Speaker 17: this needs congressional authorization, and you mentioned it before. I

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Speaker 17: believe if I'm correct, that we that we had an

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Speaker 17: eight month bombing campaign in Libya.

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Speaker 8: Correct, we flew out.

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Speaker 17: If I recall twenty five thousand sorties, including seven thousand

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Speaker 17: against Libyan forces, We're not going to have an eight

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Speaker 17: month bombing campaign here.

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Speaker 1: No authorization from Congress, well within the president, nothing for

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Speaker 1: the county.

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Speaker 17: As a matter of fact, you the House voted against

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Speaker 17: authorizing and it was a bipartisan vote. Now that did

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Speaker 17: not pass the Senate. So I mean there was there

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Speaker 17: was considerable Congressional opposition there, but the president had the

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Speaker 17: authority under the counts under his Article to authority, and

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Speaker 17: he did it. And so does Trump here. I mean,

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Speaker 17: if Congress wants to weigh in, it'll happen when there's

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Speaker 17: a supplemental and you talked about that with Tom Cotton.

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Speaker 17: I think they're probably going to need one. I think

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Speaker 17: Tom said that, and I think it's going to pass,

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Speaker 17: and that's going to be Congressional approval.

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Speaker 1: That it's always the purse strings. Congress always has. You

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Speaker 1: remember the Nicaragua controversy with Reagan, they cut off the

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Speaker 1: money to the conscious.

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Speaker 4: They can do this again. But I'm going to.

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Speaker 17: And and and with with after Nixon had gone. But

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Speaker 17: on Vietnam as a practical matter, you that's where this

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Speaker 17: tension works itself out to between Article one and Article two.

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Speaker 17: If the military commitment is so sustained that the president

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Speaker 17: has to go to Congress for more money for it,

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Speaker 17: that's where Congress weighs in, and if it disapproves, it

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Speaker 17: does not provide the money and the military operation stops well.

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Speaker 8: Instead.

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Speaker 1: Senator Jim Tallon from the Board of the Reagan Institute

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Speaker 1: for Peace through Strength next week, page six of the

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Speaker 1: National Security Strategy. Thank you, Senator Talent. I'll be right

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Speaker 1: back with Seth Mandel. Stay to in America.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Seth Mandel joins me, senior writer for commentary magazine. Seth,

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Speaker 1: I want to read to you the beginning of his

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Speaker 1: story from the wires this afternoon. The United Kingdom has

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Speaker 1: refused to grant US forces permission to use British military

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Speaker 1: bases for potential strikes against Iran. The Times of London

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Speaker 1: reported on Thursday. The decision is heightened tensions with Washington,

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Speaker 1: prompted criticism President Donald Trump. Under long standing agreements, American

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Speaker 1: aircraft could operate from RIF Fairford in Gloucestershire, home to

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Speaker 1: US have any bombers and the joint US UK base

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Speaker 1: on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, only with prior

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Speaker 1: approval from the British government. However, London had not granted

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Speaker 1: that permission for any hypothetical answer against Iran, citing concerns

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Speaker 1: at participating in a strike without clear legal justification could

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Speaker 1: breach international law.

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: I think it's a bluff.

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Speaker 18: I think it's a way of saying whether they you know,

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Speaker 18: somebody told a reporter that they haven't yet granted that permission,

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Speaker 18: and you know that's something that when things are in

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Speaker 18: place and ready to.

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Speaker 5: Be moved there and ready to go.

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Speaker 18: That they'll get I just don't think that Britain is

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Speaker 18: going to stand in the way of what is essentially

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Speaker 18: meant to help free the Iranian people from there from

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Speaker 18: the government that is mowing them down in the streets.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the Europeans all.

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Speaker 18: Talk about human rights and caring about human rights and

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Speaker 18: civilians and all that, and this this is this in

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Speaker 18: Iran is nothing but civilians. That's the only people dying

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Speaker 18: are civilians. The only people fighting are the regime.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 18: And so this is just an easy one if you

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Speaker 18: if you believe anything, if these guys believe anything that

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Speaker 18: they say, they can't they can't plausibly stand in the

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Speaker 18: way of of what Trump is trying to do.

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Speaker 1: If they do, in fact denyse of our basis, what

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Speaker 1: is the consequence of that.

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Speaker 5: That's really up to the administration. I don't know.

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Speaker 18: I mean, the administration will uh, you know, tends to

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Speaker 18: use tariffs and things like that as as as punishment.

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Speaker 5: But I don't. I don't really.

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Speaker 18: It's just hard for me to believe that diplomatically, Britain

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Speaker 18: would be the reason that these uh, these innocent protesters

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Speaker 18: rising up for democracy in Iran would be left at

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Speaker 18: the mercy of their killers. So I just don't. I

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Speaker 18: don't think it's really going to be necessary.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 18: It's a good question about the what the you know,

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Speaker 18: retaliatory measures would be.

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Speaker 1: Don't right, Let me show you a picture of the

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Speaker 1: Sofia airfield in Bulgaria, where a half dozen of our

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Speaker 1: biggest cargo ships are located. You know, I was a

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Speaker 1: kid in the Reagan White House forty years ago. The

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Speaker 1: idea that we would be able to use the Bulgarian

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Speaker 1: airplanes air A reports but not the United Kingdom is

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Speaker 1: astonishing to me. That was the age of Thatcher. I

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Speaker 1: just can't believe it. Not if they want NATO to SURVIVEE.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I That's why I say I don't. I

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Speaker 5: don't believe it either.

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Speaker 18: I just you know, there's been a lot of talk

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Speaker 18: about the Transatlantic Alliance and whether Trump puts that in danger.

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Speaker 18: But you know, when when Iran lobbied a couple hundred

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Speaker 18: missiles and drones at Israel.

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Speaker 5: The British were there.

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Speaker 18: To mobilize and try to protect the skies, and so

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Speaker 18: were the Jordanians. By the way, So these coalitions that

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Speaker 18: Trump puts together involve Americans, Europeans, and Arab states, and

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Speaker 18: I just don't see I mean, I can see why

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Speaker 18: Arab states would want to not be obviously playing front

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Speaker 18: and set of roles in this with Iran, like I

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Speaker 18: can understand why the Saudis are trying to sort of

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Speaker 18: walk a tightrope here. But in the end, this either

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Speaker 18: happens or it doesn't. And if it happens, it's because

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Speaker 18: Trump put together roughly the same coalition that he did

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Speaker 18: last time to do it.

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Speaker 4: Now, Seth Mandeu.

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Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal published sixty five minutes ago a

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Speaker 1: story by Alexander Ward Good reporter Trump weighs initial limited

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Speaker 1: strike to force Iran into a nuclear deal, and Alexander

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Speaker 1: cited sources familiar with the situation, and it says he's

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Speaker 1: kind of hit them with a small strike to force

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Speaker 1: them to the table on a big deal. I think

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Speaker 1: that's inane. I think that would give Iran the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to launch a massive first strike on Israel and our bases.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe it. Do you believe it?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 18: But I also think that Trump and the Israelis are

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Speaker 18: preparing for for any scenario. You know, Trump has been

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Speaker 18: probably more hawkish with regard to Hesbola in South Lebanon

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Speaker 18: than the Israelis have been. In recent months, there have

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Speaker 18: been several credible reports that he's been kind of pushing

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Speaker 18: the Israelis to make sure that Hesbela doesn't stick its

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Speaker 18: head up above ground and doesn't get rolling again. Obviously

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Speaker 18: there's going to be smuggling and other things that are

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Speaker 18: going to get Hesbola weapons and money, but you know.

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Speaker 5: And some capabilities.

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Speaker 18: But he's been telling the Israelis don't don't let the

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Speaker 18: weeds overgo the garden. And the Israelis, I think, have

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Speaker 18: been more hesitant than that to strike because they don't

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Speaker 18: want another war in Lebanon. They don't to open up

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Speaker 18: another front or be the ones to open up another front.

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Speaker 18: But I think that this has been Trump's way of saying,

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Speaker 18: let's and the whole adminstruation that's saying, let's take care

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Speaker 18: of every contingency. Don't give the Iranians a chance to

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Speaker 18: hit back from anywhere. Don't give them options for a

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Speaker 18: first strike, don't give them options for retaliation, keep them down,

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Speaker 18: keep the boot on their neck until we're ready to

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Speaker 18: decide exactly what we want to do. And when that happens,

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Speaker 18: it won't be for fear of retaliation. And he has

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Speaker 18: not shown a willingness to allow Iran and its proxies

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Speaker 18: the space to even be able to carry out an

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Speaker 18: initial first strike to surprise us or.

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Speaker 5: Something like that. I mean, I think he's really got

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Speaker 5: them tied up.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're right, but I think the one way

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Speaker 1: to forfeit any advantage that has been built up is

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Speaker 1: to give them a chance to go first. And Israel

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Speaker 1: does not have a history of that. Last question, Cheth,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard commentary this morning, but yesterday you seem

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Speaker 1: to be persuaded that the vice president is a restrainer,

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Speaker 1: Neil isolationist.

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Speaker 4: I am not. What do you base that.

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Speaker 18: On, Well, I base it on the speech that he

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Speaker 18: gave where he enunciated this most clearly was a last year.

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Speaker 18: The year before, he gave a speech where he talked

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Speaker 18: about The speech is mostly remembered for the fact that

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Speaker 18: Vance explained why he's a supporter of Israel and why

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Speaker 18: Israel is a good ally.

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Speaker 5: That's usually where you hear the relevance of.

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Speaker 18: The speech, because it was one of the few times

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Speaker 18: that you know, Vans made clear that yes, you know,

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Speaker 18: we think Israel is an ally and you know, and

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Speaker 18: they're valuable and they provide us. But in that speech

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Speaker 18: was he he had laid out the idea that there

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Speaker 18: really can't be that weak nations are far you know,

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Speaker 18: that they take more than they get, and that you know,

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Speaker 18: our alliances should be with strong states like Israel. You know,

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Speaker 18: in his opinion, in Israel, you obviously get the intelligence,

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Speaker 18: you get the improvement on aircraft, you get all sorts

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Speaker 18: of of of weapons capabilities when the two work together.

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Speaker 18: What you get from Israel is very very clear. It's

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Speaker 18: a it's a strong army. It's his first world power

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Speaker 18: in a crucial region, and so you know that. But

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Speaker 18: he does not seem to feel that way. And when

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Speaker 18: he made the speech, he was pretty clear that he

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Speaker 18: didn't feel that way about say.

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Speaker 5: Ukraine and others.

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Speaker 18: So I think he tends to, you know, not want

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Speaker 18: to feel like he's carrying anybody along. And that's what

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Speaker 18: makes me you know, gives me the impression that he's

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Speaker 18: more of a restrainer than otherwise.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 1: It, but I will and I'm glad you have something

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Speaker 1: specific in mind, because I think there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of mythology around Vance that is never evident.

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Speaker 4: Its out to me in.

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Speaker 1: Dozens of interviews with him over a dozen years. Seth

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Speaker 1: Mandel can be followed at Seth Mandel and you can

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Speaker 1: hear them every single day on the commentary podcast, which

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Speaker 1: I recommend strongly.

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Speaker 4: To you and stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Dan Rundy from CSI as his next still talking about

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Speaker 1: it Ron, You're on.

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Speaker 4: The New Dealership.

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Speaker 14: In his new movie The Dragons Prophecy, Tonish de Suza

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Speaker 12: Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be

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Speaker 3: But long last we have peace in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Israel and Christians are coming together in a way they

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Speaker 7: But is this the end of huss and radical Islam?

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Speaker 4: Looking back in America as war looms.

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Speaker 1: I thought I would talk to an expert on post

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Speaker 1: war issues. Daniel Rundy is a senior advisor at the

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Speaker 1: Center for Security, Strategic and International Studies CSIS in Washington, DC.

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01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: Also the author of The American Imperative, which I think

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,759
Speaker 1: it's imperative for Americans to read on the brink of war. Daniel, First,

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Speaker 1: your assessment of what the President had to say today

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Speaker 1: and running up to today, is war inevitable?

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Speaker 19: I mean, obviously President Trump has been trying to establish

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01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 19: that we have peace. He's been trying to have negotiations.

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01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 19: But if our counterparts are not willing to participate in

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Speaker 19: negotiations in a serious way, we're looking at some sort

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Speaker 19: of a conflict.

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Speaker 1: So Whyett is reporting today that there's a coordinated plan

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Speaker 1: to destroy all the missiles, to do damage to the

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01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: command and control structures throughout Iran. It sounds like regime

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01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: collapse to me? Is that how you would guess it

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Speaker 1: looks to you?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I would call it something like regime collapse. This

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01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 19: is not regime change by invasion. Rather, it's deterrence. It's

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Speaker 19: nuclear rollback. It's creating conditions for Iranian led change while

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Speaker 19: avoiding a regional war. I think it's really important for

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 19: your listeners to understand of the prize that we're talking about.

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Speaker 19: Imagine a world where there were a Mullah free world

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Speaker 19: in Iran, where we had some sort of a different

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01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 19: kind of either the current government decided that they were

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01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 19: going to go on the wagon in terms of financing

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 19: proxies and investing in nuclear weapons and decided to change

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 19: their behavior, which would be a great outcome. And I

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01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 19: want to talk about that in terms of what the

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01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 19: best day after scenario looks like, but also like or

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Speaker 19: there was some sort of a freedom there was some

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Speaker 19: sort of.

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Speaker 11: A freedom uprising.

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Speaker 19: There's been clearly a lot of people very very unhappy

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01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 19: with the regime. You have all these young people who

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Speaker 19: are very unhappy. What's happened to the young people's outrageous.

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Speaker 19: President Trump has talked about this, But I think in

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Speaker 19: some ways the best day after scenario, you is a

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01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 19: boring day after scenario. Fighting stops fast ports, open oil flows,

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01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 19: power and water stays on. Proxies like Hezbollah or Harmas

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 19: are restrained, and Iran looks for an off ramp and

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Speaker 19: looks to kind of restart negotiations. Because in some ways

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Speaker 19: you need to think about this as an opportunity a

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Speaker 19: to defang them, but also to force them back to

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Speaker 19: the negotiating table in a real way as opposed to

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Speaker 19: in a fake way.

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Speaker 1: Dan, do you think that that would mean that the

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Speaker 1: Idolahamini and the senior molocracy would have to be out

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Speaker 1: of the picture because they're fanatics. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: can see a way to actually sitting down and repairing

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Speaker 1: their country with the world. Do you think they are

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Speaker 1: reasonable in any way?

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Speaker 11: No, I mean, these are crazy people. I mean, as

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Speaker 11: you know.

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Speaker 19: And one of the things I want to say is,

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Speaker 19: thank you you for what you've done with your radio

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01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 19: show about consistently talking about Iran. As you know, I'm

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Speaker 19: a listener, but I think you've been really it's been

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01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 19: important to educate the American people and listeners worldwide about

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 19: what an evil regime this is. Ending this regime and

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Speaker 19: ending the nature of this regime would be a really

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Speaker 19: great thing for the world.

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Speaker 11: So my hope is is there's a small.

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Speaker 19: Probability that they could They could say, oh, we're going

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Speaker 19: to stop doing this, We're going to go on the bat,

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01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 19: we're going to stop being bad guys. But it's really

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Speaker 19: hard to get these folks to change their strikes stripes.

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Speaker 19: So I think ultimately it's about defanging them, and it's

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Speaker 19: about hoping to pave the way for the Iranians to

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Speaker 19: bring about a different kind of a government on their own.

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Speaker 1: Let's finish this segment and talk next segment about what

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01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: is most likely, in my view, a period of chaos

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: followed by the emergence of a quote strong man, someone

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Speaker 1: to bring authority to the streets, monopoly of violence, all

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01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. What is the But it's not

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01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: an iotola, it's not a fanatic, it's not a theocrat.

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 1: If we get to that, what's the best case scenario

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Speaker 1: for ran thereafter? And we can take a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes here and then eight minutes after the break.

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Speaker 19: Okay, I would say a couple of things. One is,

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Speaker 19: you could have some kind of regime fracturing. That's a

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01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 19: fancy term for the folks that have been running the

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Speaker 19: country split up and say I'd rather cut a deal

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01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 19: with the Americans than rather die or you know, or

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01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 19: have something really bad happen. So you could have some

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01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 19: part of the military force a coup that's possible. And

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Speaker 19: then so you could have something along those lines. There's

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Speaker 19: obviously been talk about having the Shaw comeback.

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Speaker 11: I think that may be more.

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 19: Of a hope within the diaspora community, people outside of

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01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,440
Speaker 19: Iran who hope to see that. There have been protests

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01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 19: and calling for his name. There's been graffiti calling for

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01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 19: his name. I mean, obviously that would be a wonderful

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01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 19: phenomenal thing where he served as some sort of transitional figure.

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01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 19: But it's more likely that you have the regime breaks

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01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,480
Speaker 19: up and a piece.

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Speaker 11: Of it says we're going to have a palace.

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Speaker 19: Coup and we're going to take over and we're going

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01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 19: to negotiate with with the United States and our allies.

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Speaker 1: When we come back from break, we're going to talk

1669
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: about the many, many problems that Ron faces no matter

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01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: who is running it.

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Speaker 4: Dan.

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Speaker 1: The first time I went to a Dan seminar at CSIS,

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01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: it was about rebuilding shattered economies, and they're probably an

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: economy and the developed world economy as shattered as Ron's

1675
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: is nor one with as much wealth to put to

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: the service of the people who are on if they

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: actually want to go about it. We'll talk about the

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01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: steps that ought to be followed in the aftermath of

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: the conflict, which we hope, as Dan Rundy said, is

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: short sharp and over with no loss of life to

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Speaker 1: the Americans or allies and just simply a quick regime chain away. Gosh,

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01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: what an arc that would be for my life, because

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01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: I started working for Richard Nixon when they were.

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01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 4: Pushing the show out.

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01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be great to be talking on the radio

1686
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: and television when they pushed out the CIA tool or

1687
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,480
Speaker 1: stated in America.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt, joined by Daniel Rundy. Daniel is a

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01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: senior advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies

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01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: in DC. Not place to go for smart people at CSIS.

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01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 1: He's the author of a fabulous book, The American Imperative.

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01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: Dan as I said before the break, I went up

1694
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: to CSIS wants to hear you talk about international banking

1695
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: and how lending facilities operate with countries. What is the

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01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: best way for the world of support a free people

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01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: of Iran with a shattered economy and infrastructure.

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Speaker 19: So in an ideal world, the day after is a

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01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 19: boring day and things are still functioning. The day after

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01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 19: there's some sort of a peaceful, bloodless palace coup and

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01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 19: there's some sort of a military strongman comes in that

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01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 19: it was associated with the regime and wants to negotiate

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01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 19: with us.

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Speaker 11: That would be, in my view, the best outcome, and it's.

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01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,919
Speaker 19: Not impossible, but it's something that we have to work towards.

1706
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 19: So whatever happens in an ideal scenario where you have

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01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 19: a boring day after, you have to think about stabilization

1708
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 19: along with diplomacy. So we have to think about making

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01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 19: sure we're protecting the US force and our allies. We

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01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 19: have to make sure that they understand that if they

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01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 19: mess with us, then really bad things will happen, and

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Speaker 19: then we need to announce a stabilization plan. They have

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 19: a whole series of problems. They've had inflation, and they've

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01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 19: had a run on their currency because they didn't have

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01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 19: enough money in their central bank.

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Speaker 11: So they're going to have to look.

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Speaker 19: At things like making sure that they have enough money

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01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 19: in the till you Also, they spend a lot of

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01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 19: money on their army, and they also spend money on

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01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 19: their nukes, and they spend money on their proxies.

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01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 11: If they got out of the proxy.

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01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 19: Business and got out of the nuke business and cut

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01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 19: back on their defense, a lot of that money over

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01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 19: time could be allocated towards things like water, which is

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01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 19: something I want to talk about as well as other

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Speaker 19: infrastructure projects.

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Speaker 11: But also if they were out of the proxy.

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Speaker 19: Business and now the nuke business, the risk premium of

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Speaker 19: investing in Iran or in the neighborhood would go down.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that's actually even more important than the money that.

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Speaker 19: If people felt like, Okay, well this is actually a

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Speaker 19: safer place. Imagine an Iran that was as peaceful as

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Speaker 19: say Turkey, or in Iran that was as stable as

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Speaker 19: a place like I don't know, Saudi Arabia, or as

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01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 19: stable as UAE, and as investor friendly as UAE.

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Speaker 11: And you know this, you because you spent a lot

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Speaker 11: of time in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 19: There's some incredible people of Iranian descent who live all

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Speaker 19: the states and.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to water, water water right now in the

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Speaker 1: district of Columbia. I heard on Fox News this morning,

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Speaker 1: John Roberts referred to it as the pooh Tomic because

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01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 1: of the massive sewage spill. All of a sudden, people

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01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: in the h in the del Marva area are realizing

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01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: clean water is not a given.

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Speaker 4: Do they have enough water in Iran? When you say water, water, water.

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Speaker 1: People might snooze off, but it's actually the number one

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01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: thing you need in a country.

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Speaker 19: So Prime Minister net and Yahoo did a video to

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01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 19: the Iranian people with a glass of water.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if you saw this here. No, this

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01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 11: is maybe six or six or.

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01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 19: Nine months ago, and actually maybe something for your listeners

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01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,799
Speaker 19: to take a look at, because he understood how important

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01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 19: this was. So it's him sitting at a table with

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Speaker 19: a clean glass of water. Because as you know you,

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 19: because you've you and your your listeners, or you have

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01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 19: a smart listening audience, they know that Israel has really

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01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 19: done phenomenal things with water management. They've made the desert

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01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 19: bloom in Israel. Netnyah who got on a video and

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Speaker 19: said I want to bring Israel's water technology and agricultural

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01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 19: technologies to Iran, and they drank the glass of water

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01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 19: and said, you guys have a major water crisis and

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01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,799
Speaker 19: a major water problem. So some of it is about

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01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 19: management issues, some of it's about there's also all sorts

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01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,959
Speaker 19: of urban issues. We're obviously here in the District of Columbia,

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01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,560
Speaker 19: we've been taking for granted for a long time water infrastructure.

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01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,839
Speaker 19: They have water infrastructure problems. The amount of money needed

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01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 19: to repair the water systems in Iran. The estimates are

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Speaker 19: certainly in the tens of billions and as high as

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01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 19: in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

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Speaker 11: Ye, they've underinvested in it.

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Speaker 19: Like I said, if you have a choice between financing

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01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 19: a proxy or financing nuclear weapons or water, they've said,

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01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 19: I'll finance the proxies and the nuclear weapons over the water,

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01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 19: and now they're paying for it. One of the regimes

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01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:05,679
Speaker 19: leaders has even openly talked about Tehran people leaving Tehran

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01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 19: and moving to other cities because there's not enough water

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01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 19: for people to live in Tehran. That the water levels

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01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 19: and you know about this from California, like the water

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01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 19: tables are so low for a bunch of reasons, but

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01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 19: basically a lot of it's mismanagement, under investment, but also

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01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 19: lack of technology. So let's say you had a peaceful Iran.

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01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 19: Imagine Iran as you know, you had a centuries long

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01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 19: peaceful relationship with Judaism before the Ayatolas took over. Imagine

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01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 19: a new partnership on water and water technology and agriculture

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01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 19: in Iran with Israel. In Iran that's at peace is

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01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 19: in Iran that can have a much more productive agriculture.

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Speaker 11: They have all sorts of.

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01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 19: Opportunities, but they have to get a handle on this

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01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 19: water issue so that it would be absolutely one of

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01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 19: the first things.

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Speaker 1: We no longer have USA idea, and I'm one of

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01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: the people that it's happy that we don't. But who

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01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: takes the lead for the United States in the post?

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Speaker 1: We didn't give much shot to this when we invaded

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01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 1: Iraq and as a result it was a mess. Who

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Speaker 1: ought to be in charge of our relations with Iran?

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01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: The President can't do everything and Secretary Rubio has got

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01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: ninety five jobs. Who takes the lead?

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Speaker 19: Well, ultimately we're going to have to have it. Certainly

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01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 19: shouldn't be the Department of Defense over time, And as

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01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,320
Speaker 19: I said, I don't think we want to be in

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01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 19: the regime like taking over and having a CPA like

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01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 19: we had in Iraq. I don't think that's what they're

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01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 19: looking to do. I think they're looking to either defang

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01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 19: the regime, force them back to the negotiating table, have

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Speaker 19: a palace coup and have some more pliable, manageable partner

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01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 19: like we have in Venezuela, or hopefully some sort of

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01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 19: a freedom agenda uprising where some more reasonable leader, whether

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01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 19: it's the shot, the shot, the son of the shot,

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01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 19: or somebody else, comes in. Given all that, we ultimately

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01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 19: want the Iranians to run things. Look at what's happened

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01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 19: in Venezuela, where since the US has been using different

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01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 19: tools to help channel behavior and incentivize behavior, but has

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01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 19: not put.

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01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 11: Troops on the ground.

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Speaker 19: I do not imagine center we're going to put troops

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Speaker 19: on the ground, and I could see us channeling and

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01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 19: we want to manage the oil revenues so that they're

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01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 19: not spending it on proxies and nukes and rather spending

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Speaker 19: it on things like water and electricity, and then helping

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01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 19: to change the behavior of the regime so that all

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Speaker 19: these fabulous Iranians in the diaspora come back and rebuild

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01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 19: the country, invest in the country, and then others could

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01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 19: come in alongside it.

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Speaker 11: There's a series of institutions.

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Speaker 19: Of course, the IMF and the World Bank, your listeners

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01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 19: have heard of it, but there's a series of other

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01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 19: institutions that are less well known that over time could

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01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 19: be very involved in the reconstruction of Iran.

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Speaker 11: One is something called the.

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01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 19: EBRD, which has operations in Turkey operations in the Caucasuits.

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Speaker 4: You don't get to use an acronym without telling it's what.

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01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 11: It's starting for.

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Speaker 4: Dan.

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01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 11: Sorry, I shouldn't do that. I know I've been on

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01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 11: your show before.

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Speaker 1: Now you owe me a chocolate Sunday, and I know

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01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: you're very particular about it.

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01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 4: Replace what's it stands up?

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01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,759
Speaker 19: The European The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development.

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01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 11: The ebr D was a regional development bank set up

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01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,240
Speaker 11: after the after the fall of the Soviet Union. So

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01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 11: they're they're a.

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Speaker 1: Partner, all right, Dan Rundy, keep coming back. Follow him

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Speaker 1: on x at Dan Rundy d a n r U

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01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: n d E. He's a senior advisor at the Centervisi

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01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: Tech Union National Studies.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Jane, I'll be right now.