WEBVTT - The Islamic Plan to Infiltrate the West 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:20.120 Are African Muslims taking over America? Well, they're certainly trying to. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.079 I use the term African Muslim in its widest and 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:28.480 most general sense. It includes Africans in America. It includes 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:35.000 African Americans with Muslim connections. It includes Muslims with African connections. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.280 It also includes Muslims with African roots or even with 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.279 Middle Eastern roots that are very. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.360 Close to Africa. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.000 And Egyptian Muslim, for instance, is an African Muslim because 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.839 Egypt is in Africa. But even Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:55.880 are very close both religiously and culturally to African Muslims. Basically, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:01.760 this is one third world Afrocentric Islamic community. So who 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.360 are these African Muslims who want to take over America. Well, 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.360 there's Ilhan Omar, a Muslim who was born in Somalia 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.080 and whose family was part of the tribal conflicts in Somalia. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.200 Also Omar Fate, another Muslim from Somalia. He ran for 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.920 mayor and lost, but he's very active in organizing in Minnesota. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:22.920 There's New York. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:27.040 Mayor Zoran Mamdani, whose mother is Indian but whose father 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:32.040 is a black African they are Muslims from Uganda. Mamdani 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:37.039 campaigned actively for Daria Liza Avila Chevalier, who won the 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.560 Democratic nomination for Congress in a New York congressional district. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:46.160 She's an Afro Latina with roots in the Dominican Republic. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.880 She converted to Islam in twenty eighteen and identifies as 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:55.440 a Democratic Socialist. Just like Mamdani, Michigan Congresswoman Rashida Talib 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.240 is a Muslim with Palestinian roots of parents of Palestinian 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.240 immigrants in Michigan. We also find Abdul Rahman Mohammad l Sayed. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.760 He's the likely Democratic nominee for the US Senate, another Muslim, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.080 as his name clearly indicates he was born in America, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.280 but his parents are immigrants from Egypt. And let's not 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.799 forget melat Kiros, an Ethiopian born in Addis Ababa. Her 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.040 public records make no mention of her religious identity. 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:24.160 Maybe she has none. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.000 What we know is our family emigrated to the US 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.600 as part of the diversity visa lottery when she was 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.040 a baby. There's also Deanice Lewis George, an African American 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.799 who is likely the next mayor of Washington, d C. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.160 She's not Muslim, but has close ties to Muslims and 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.080 also black Muslims in the nation's capital. She's also a 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:49.000 democratic socialist with a very similar agenda to the African 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:53.000 Muslims I've just listed. I have one final politician to 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.600 add to my list of African Muslims, the mayor of Minneapolis, 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.880 Jacob Fray. Now, my choice of pray seems odd because 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.560 he he's not African and he's not Muslim, but I'm 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.560 going to dub him an honorary African Muslim. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:06.600 And let me tell you why. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.000 Jacob Frey ran as a left wing Democrat against the 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.720 African Muslim oh Marfaatee. Basically, the two men had a 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.400 similar ideology, but one was white, one a black Muslim 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.119 from Somalia. Faate tapped into the Somali community to try 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.239 and win the democratic nomination, but Frey out maneuvered him, 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.240 not by courting the white or non Muslim vote. Rather, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:32.080 Frey allied himself with Somali's who come from tribes that 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.040 hate Fat's tribe. Think about this, a white guy from 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.840 Minnesota figures out that the Somalian Muslims are not one group. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:40.240 They may have low IQs. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.920 Some research at any rate suggests that, but they break 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.720 up into tribal groups that want to wipe each other out. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.960 They import these tribal affiliations to America. Frey learns how 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.800 to play one Somali group against the other, and in 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:53.440 this way. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.720 He beats Fate. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:59.200 That's why he deserves his honorary African Muslim title. I've 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.560 been focusing on African Muslims in electoral politics, but there 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.800 are also a horde of African Muslim activists who work 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.600 to advance a common ideological agenda. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.640 I mention just too. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.480 Uma Abidin a Muslim married to George Soros's son Alex 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:18.480 Soros and actively involved with his political activism. Muma Abadin's 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.320 mom is the professor of Islamic studies from Pakistan. Her 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:28.000 dad is from India, also Amal Kuni formerly Amal al Muddin. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.680 She's the activist wife of actor George Klooney, an attorney 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.120 who was born in Beirut, Lebanon. Her mother is a 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:38.320 Lebanese Sunni Muslim from Tripoli. Quite a gang, isn't it. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.479 This whole gang has close connections to democratic socialism, even 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.960 if they are not explicit about their membership and behind 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.560 the whole group is one Barack Obama, who is not 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.240 a Muslim, but whose dad, Barack Obama Senior and stepfather 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.800 Lolo Satro were both raised Muslim. Obama was born in Hawaii, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.240 but he had strong African roots. His father, Barack Senior, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.920 often described as an immigrant, was not one. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:04.839 He was an. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:09.839 African foreign student who studied briefly in America before returning 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:14.440 to Africa. I can understand why many people wrongly suspected 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.719 Obama of being born in Africa or of being Muslim. 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:22.640 It's because his ideology of anti colonialism and anti Americanism 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.080 came from his Kenyan father. Don't believe me, Watch my 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.920 film Obama's America, available on iTunes and elsewhere, which will 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.600 convince you. But even without that, do you recall the 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:37.120 title of Obama's autobiography, Dreams from my Father, not dreams 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.719 of my father, Dreams from my father. Obama got his 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:45.279 dreams from his African dad. Now, the striking thing about 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.000 this African Muslim gang that wants to take over America 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.640 and in their words, to remake America or change America 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.320 for the better, to make America become better than its 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.920 founding and better than it ever was. The striking thing 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.800 about these reformers is that they all come from failed societies. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.000 Here's a partial list. 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:10.279 Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Kenya, Egypt, the Gaza, stra At Iran. 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.520 These are mostly hell holes, places where no one wants 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.359 to emigrate to and where the people mostly try to 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.159 figure out how to get out. That's how ilan Omar 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.480 came here because Somalia was racked by civil war, a war, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.839 by the way, stoked by her own family. That's why 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.680 Mom Donnie's family didn't stay in Uganda but escaped to America. Now, 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.599 one might think that coming from failed society, society shaped 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:40.360 by tyranny, socialism, anti colonialism, wretchedness, these newcomers to America 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.040 would appreciate what's here. One might expect that they would 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.120 be grateful to be in America and fans of the 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.920 founders who made a new type of society where people 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.960 would thrive rather than live in poverty, oppression, and filth. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.680 I myself was raised in a failed society. India is 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.239 not a failed society now, but it was a failed 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.880 experiment and in socialism in the nineteen seventies, India was 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.640 the begging bowl of the world. Every young person I 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.640 know was trying to get out. There was no life, 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.880 no worthwhile life for us in India. So when I 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.720 came to America, my natural reaction was, Wow, here's the 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.080 country that has its act together. Here's a place where 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.040 everything works. Here's the country with a dream and a 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.320 ladder of opportunity. And all of this is not by accident. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.240 It was constructed by a group of people who met 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.280 in Philadelphia in the eighteenth century. My patriotism in America 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.920 was built on that, and even now, decades later, my 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.080 politics in America is based on that. Look at my 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.720 books and films, which are most of them studies and 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:43.240 interpretations of what it means to be an American. Now, 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.440 I'm hardly blind to the immense problems in our society, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.680 but many of those are brought on by the kind 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.880 of ungrateful immigrants that I've named here. Debbie, my wife, 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.320 is also from Venezuela. She was born there and came 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.200 to this country in nineteen seventy six at the age 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.000 of ten. Now, Venezuela time was not a failed society. 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.640 It was a thriving, oil rich capitalist society. But the 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.320 socialists subsequently ran it into the ground and turned it 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.960 into a Third World hellhole. So Debbie two is grateful 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.760 for America. She knows what her life would be like 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.320 had she stayed in Venezuela. She appreciates the society for 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.600 protecting its vital institutions and for giving her the chance 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.720 to live a good life while her ancestral country went under. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.600 Debbie has a portrait of George Washington in her home 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.800 office downstairs as a tribute to the man who got 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.160 this country started on the right track. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.560 So what's going on with these. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.319 Sulking, resentful African Muslims in America? Why do they have 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.679 such a dedication to their home countries that suck? And 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.200 why are they so bitter and entitled in the country 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.439 that has made their life so much better? More specifically, 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.280 what's the goal or objective in America and how are 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.440 they going about it? The answer to these questions are familiar, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.840 and yet if we step back and rough on them 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.400 quite amazing. First, the African Muslims insist that their countries 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.480 are poor, tyrannical hellholes on account of the West. The 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.640 West did this to them. America is responsible for their misery. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:17.000 Oh really, well, a good deal of Africa was colonized 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.080 by Europe, not by America. So it's one thing to 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.840 blame England and France, another thing to blame America. Other 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.800 countries like Ethiopia were never colonized at all. So how 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.800 is the West, not just America, but the West in 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.960 general to blame for its destitution. Second, the African Muslims 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.200 insist that the West became rich at the expense of 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.560 their countries. This is the old anti colonial chant, you 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.880 got rich because you stole from me. This works if 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.280 you can show first of all that you were rich before, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.680 and second that I was poor before, and third that 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:53.080 I came and took your stuff. But in the case 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.160 of these countries like Uganda, Somalia and Ethiopia, they were 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.480 poor to begin with. Second, America did not come and 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.720 take their stuf because there was no stuff to take. Third, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.720 America did become rich, but that is because of wealth 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:10.960 created here in this country through entrepreneurial capitalism, a revolution 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.840 that proved successful, a new system of government that actually worked. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.840 So the ideology of oppression your country took advantage of 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.360 mine simply doesn't work. But the African Muslims aren't finished. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.080 Once they get to America, they adopt a domestic version 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.319 of the same canard. They go from saying that countries 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.040 were exploited to now insisting that they are being exploited 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:37.360 as minorities in a majority white and Christian country. Now 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.240 this is major hutzba, because where in Somalia could Ilhan 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.960 Omar have the life that she has here? Where in 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.559 Uganda could mom Danni thrive like he does here? If 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.440 Omar Fat lived in Somalia, he would probably be some 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.640 kind of a tribal warrior or a petty thief, or 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:57.920 maybe we would find his large, unusual head together with 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:02.079 other heads in the trophy display of some murderous gang. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:02.800 Who knows. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.800 Undeterred these African Muslims who come to America and immediately 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:10.480 enjoy rights they have never enjoyed before, rights utterly alien 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.960 to their messed up homelands, and yet they promptly declare 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.320 their victims of anti black and anti brown and anti 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.920 Muslim sentiment. They start speaking in the language of the left. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:28.800 America they say is a bigoted country defined by racism, sexism, homophobia, islamophobia. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.080 The most cunning of the African Muslims, they're really sneaky 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.839 ones that make it to the top of the heap 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.640 recognize that this ideology of resentment, bogus though it may be, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.160 nevertheless matches the ideology of one of the major parties 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.360 in America, the Democratic Party, and so they begin their 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:53.600 ladder of assent through the Democratic ranks, exchanging acceptance and 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.559 entree for the votes of their fellow African Muslims. The 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.440 left and the Democrats, mainly educated white, are delighted to 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.040 find a new self styled victim group that they can 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.640 turn into a constituency. Remember the left, the Democrats, they 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.080 were losing some blacks, they were losing some Hispanics, even 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.520 some gays. So hey, why not welcome this delightful new group, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.080 African Muslims. All these people, the African Muslims and their 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:24.400 allies on the left, hate America. They hate traditional America, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.000 the America of the founding. They hate the people, mostly white, 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.959 who made America what it is. Of course, they cannot 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.319 put it quite that way. They must pretend to love America, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.560 at least on the fourth of July, and so they 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.440 profess allegiance not to America as it was or America 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.559 as it is, but only to America as it ought 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.680 to be. They dedicate themselves to a future America that's 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.760 radically different from the founders of America. This is what 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.600 it means to be a progressive, to replace the founders 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.520 of America with their America. Their favorite phrase is a 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.960 more perfect union. What they mean is that the un 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.080 you mean is only perfect if they are running it. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.240 And African Muslim America, in their view, is so much 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.640 better than a white Christian America. Now, they know they 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:10.680 cannot do it alone, so they're trying to do it 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.280 as part of a team. What the African Muslims want 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.199 is to become indispensable to the Democrats and to the Left, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.480 and then to use that position to lead the left's 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.839 takeover of America. And doing so, they expect to Africanize 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:28.040 America and also to Islamicize it. They know the left 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.839 is on board. The Left and the Democrats will not 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.240 just reluctantly acquiesce, they will actively help the African Muslims 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.120 to reach their goals. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:36.959 They're doing it now. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.800 One cannot say the African Muslims of being utopian or dystopian. 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.280 It's not a fanciful project. It's a project that is 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.199 well underway. Now the Islamic aspect of this is driven 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.400 by religious ideology. This has a long history that goes 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.640 back to the Barbary Pirates. In the early nineteenth century, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.720 Thomas Jefferson asked his ambassador to investigate why the Barbary 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.880 Pirates based in Triple now part of modern day Libya, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.440 were harassing American ships. What beef, Jefferson asked, do the 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.400 Muslims have with us? Jefferson's ambassador reported that Abdul Raman, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.640 the Islamic official he consulted, told him it was simply 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:14.920 a matter of principle. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.079 The Quran, he. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:21.240 Said, classifies all Western people and all Christian nations as infidels. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.200 It commands Muslims to defeat and destroy the infidels. So 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.840 that was Raman's defense of the Barbary pirates. Basically, it 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.240 comes down to, hey, they're thugish Muslims, and that's what 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.440 we thugish Muslims do. No need to probe any hidden causes. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.280 There's nothing more to it than that. This is when 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.600 Jefferson understood that Islam itself. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:43.160 Was the problem. 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.160 And now Islam is coming to America in a big 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.440 way courtesy of the African Muslims, whether they practice Islam 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.560 or not. The African Muslims are on board with the 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:58.120 Islamic project to infiltrade, and overrun and capture the West. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.200 I'm making a film about this right now. Look for 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.520 it on the Islamic Project in America. The working title, 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.680 which I like a lot, so it probably will be 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.960 the title is United States of Islam. The African Muslims 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.640 like the Islamic part, but they also like the Africanization part. 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.360 Why because Africa is run largely by thugs, and they are, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.960 in their heart of heart thugs themselves. The reason they 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.120 don't stay in Africa is because there's not enough over 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.800 there to steal, and also there's a danger of being 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.800 eaten alive by other thugs even more violent and ruthless 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.200 than they are. Mam Donnie doesn't want to end up 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.760 on some modern day Idia means dinner plate. 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He is 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:14.200 a Muslim born man who is also a convert to Christianity, 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.920 and he is now a scholar attached to the Ideological 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:22.560 Defense Institute the IDI. Salam, welcome and thank you for 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.960 joining me. May I start by thank you for having 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.639 me absolutely. May I start by asking you about your 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:40.920 conversion to Christianity. How did that come about and how 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.560 did you get imprisoned in Egypt for your beliefs? 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.879 Okay, It started by I was born in a Muslim family, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.800 but I was generally secular Muslim, like you know, Christmas 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.439 and Eastern kind of musclim you know. I would go 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.359 to the mosque once a year for hate prayer, and 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.320 stuff like that. And in eighty one I had several 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.919 members of my family arrested during the assassination of the 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:15.680 Egyptian president and the insurgency in Upper Egyptian as you 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:21.240 five four hundred miles out. By eighty four, they came 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.760 out and I was at that time, I was a 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.240 trot's kite. So I was fascinated by the revolutionary idea 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:35.720 of Islamic group because they actually not talking dialect Marx dialect, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.440 but they are doing something better than the old guard 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.360 of the forty discussing i geology and not doing anything. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.359 And so I started more getting involved with them for 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.240 a very short time, a few weeks, a few months. 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:57.520 Because my family connection, I didn't join the higher archy 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:03.360 from the pace. I became immediately enshrined or thrown in 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.040 the middle of the upper leadership. So I saw the 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:10.640 whole They took me to the kitchen. Basically, I saw 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:14.000 the whole thing as it is. That resulted in me 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.760 doing extensive study of Islam for about a year year 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:22.879 and a half and becoming a deist. And there is 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:26.600 a god over there, but he really doesn't care for us. 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:31.280 We don't care for him. A few years later, through 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:38.520 different studies and some Christians I've met where one very 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.600 specific person was a dentist. He met you me during 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:46.400 this time I after I became a deist, I moved 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.280 into drug addiction for about a year a year and 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.399 something and I needed to get some work done on 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.680 my teeth, and then I had to go to him. 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:59.920 I didn't know he's a Christian because names in Mid 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:05.680 Eastern country function as identity. So a name like Abrahim 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.879 or Abraham, it doesn't tell you what the person religion is, 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.560 but Peter and Hammad do. So he had one of 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:17.520 those names like Adel, Samir something like that. So I 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:23.720 found he's actually very strange person. He had two clinics, 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:30.000 one of them in the equivalent of Park Avenue and 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.720 the other one is the equivalent of the Pronx. So 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:37.080 he's working in the PRONX while he's taking the money 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.399 from the Park Avenue clinic to spend on the patient 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:45.960 on the neighborhood. Was just something phenomenon. One time I 0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.680 saw one of my former jama Is Lamia comrade before 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.479 I become a Deist in his clinic and I was 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:56.119 asking him genuinely when I discover as a Christian, you 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.639 know this guy wouldn't mind killing you if he knows 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.840 he can't get away with that. His reply short circuit me. 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.000 He said, yeah, I know, poor guy, he thinks will 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:08.280 be helping God this way. It didn't compute for me, 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.840 so I started asking him things about theology and to 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.040 the extent to get the point. I said, I have 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.640 no idea. I'm not a theologian. I'm just a dentist. 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.480 Why don't you go and meet this pastor? I said, 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.800 I don't like dealing with got salespeople. He said, no, no, no, 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:24.760 he's a really good guy. He has a degree in 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.520 Islamic theology, which was quite intriguing to me. So I 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.200 met the pastor. Turns out he has a degree in 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:39.000 Stamic study, not Islamic theology. And I became intellectually Christian 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.560 more than a spiritually Christian because I tested the system 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:48.280 to its limit. Every single belief system in human history 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:53.680 must answer for questions how did we get here, what's 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:57.440 the problem, how you solve the problem, and what's the end? 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:03.920 What's it all about? Within Christianity theologically, those questions are 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:09.639 coherent creation, the full redemption, and glorification the coherent the 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:19.040 former coherent worldview where it holds, and I did ask. 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:26.920 Maybe about eighty eight October eighty eight, I read one 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.320 verse in the Bible correctly for the first time. Whenever 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:35.119 you're reading your mother tongue, your brain autocorrect typos. You 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:39.520 don't know something unless you're looking for it. And so 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.919 I was reading Isaiah forty three, verse one, and for 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.080 the first time, I read it correctly. In Arabic. The 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.119 difference between my name and your name is a single letter. 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.679 It's me is mac That's the difference. So I was 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.879 always reading it. I called you by my name. This 0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:59.800 day I read it correctly. I called you by your name. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.320 So I know it doesn't make sense now, but at 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.639 the time it was like the maker of the universe 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:12.919 has stopped running after intellectual side shows. I'm talking to you. 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.120 There are three and a half billions. I'm calling you 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:19.320 by name. And that's when I prayed. I asked a 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.480 church pastor to be baptized. He said no, Why, he said, 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.159 I know who you are. They will kill you, they 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:27.399 will kill me, they'll burn the church. And I don't 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:32.400 mind if you know what you're doing. So I had 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:36.040 to convince him, which talk about six months my dad 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.200 saw me reading the Bible, and he said, stop reading 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.400 that thing. He'll become a Christian. I loved, I said, Dad, 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.800 I read everything from Mars to say it could be 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.040 and one more book is not going to do me in. 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:53.400 So he reported me to the Egyptian State security and 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.600 about two years later I got arrested and thrown in 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.160 jail for without charges for a year. And I got 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:05.040 out because huge intervention from George W. Bush during an 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.800 administration and Sam brown Back. Senator Sam brown Back the 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:12.800 actually threatened the Egyptian government to use les law. So 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.120 basically I cost the Egyptian government about one point six 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.120 billion dollars if they kid mean Jay. So they let 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:19.480 me out. 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:25.639 My gosh, Salam, you just pointed to something that for 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.840 many people in the West is almost incomprehensible, and that 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:36.680 is a doctrine in Islam that allows you the freedom 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.639 to walk in but doesn't allow you the freedom to 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:44.320 walk out. For most people in the West, religious freedom 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:49.600 means that you can adopt Christianity, or you can become 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.359 a Hindu, or you can become a Muslim, but you 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.760 are also free to leave if you decide that you 0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:01.160 have changed your mind. Why is this is it an 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.879 Islamic Is it in the Quran that you are not 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:09.879 allowed to exit, and that and that leaving Islam represents 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.440 a kind of apostasy that is punishable by law and 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:14.600 perhaps even by death. 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.960 It's actually not in the Qur'an. It's an Islamic hadith 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.120 and jurisprudence. But the reason it's there, it's the nature 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:26.720 of man itself. On the nature of religion within Christianity, 0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.399 within most world religion is the redemptive religion. As human, 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.520 you need help, That's what the religion does to you. 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.920 They're trying to help you. If you don't need help, 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.480 you want to stop taking amendic and you want to 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:43.560 leave Islam, that's that's that doesn't recognize that concept of redemption. 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.040 You need to obey and you need to fall under 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:52.280 its authority. So by leaving, you're leaving its authority, its dominance. 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:57.239 There is a hadith Mohammad said islamu Alai. Sorry if 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.960 I'm cutting in Arabic because I'm translating from my men. 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:05.920 Islams dominate and can never be dominated. So the act 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:10.160 of leaving, the act of exit itself is like during 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.800 the Second World War, an American soldier go and join 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:17.880 the third drive. That's how do you see it. Whatever 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.560 the belief or the conviction of the soldier are irrelevant. 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:24.439 You need to submit to the authority of it. It 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.320 needs to dominate over you. That's why there's no exit. 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:34.160 I also heard or read recently a kind of corollary 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:38.240 to that idea which I had not heard before, and 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:43.080 that is the application of the same principle to Islamic territory. 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:47.400 In other words, the idea here is that when Islam 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.680 conquers a region or a country, it now belongs to Islam. 0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:53.960 It can never be returned. 0:28:55.000 --> 0:29:00.080 Definitely is still in every single Muslim country today. You 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.960 want to Andalusia back because it was once ruled by Muslim. 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.080 It's not the it's not a French group, it's not 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:11.320 a minority group. It's actually the whole idea we went from. 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.520 We went Andalusia back, we want Sicily back. And what's 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.480 one of the main reasons you have all the conflict 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:24.360 over Israel Because it's not short of land. It's not 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:28.480 short of it, not because that specific land was once 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:32.480 under Islamic dominance. It becomes what's called in Islam's called 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:39.400 walk endowment. Endowment. It's an endowment for the Islamic Umah. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:44.640 They can never give it back. They still want parts 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:45.520 of India as well. 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.800 I mean, this is this is an astounding concept. Let's 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.280 spell it out more clearly. When you say Andalusia, you're 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:56.320 referring to Islamic Spain. Yes, the Muslims rule Spain or. 0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.920 Use use I used the Andalusia because it was more 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.200 than Spain. It was up to South France, so it 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.840 was larger than Spain. Whatever the land they ruled, they 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:08.440 won't die. 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:09.800 Back, right. 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.400 And then the Muslims, in addition, conquered much of northern 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.280 India and established the Mogul Empire. And you're saying that 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:22.000 to this day there is the belief in Islam and 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:27.280 this is not Islamic radicalism but rather Islam itself, that 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.320 this territory at some point needs to be returned to 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.240 the return to Islam. 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.760 I actually don't like the term Islamic radicalism at all. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:43.200 It's misleading. Think about it like this. Think about like this. 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:47.520 You walk into buskin robins. There are thirty one flavors. Essentially, 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:52.360 they are ice cream, So choosing which flavor some of 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.280 them could kill somebody If he had peanut allergy and 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.080 took a Mars sneakers ice cream. But you know, essentially 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:04.320 ingreed of all of them doesn't differ in its basics 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:09.400 or in its goal. The only difference between isis and 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:13.120 Muslim Brotherhood is not the goal, it's the method. The 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:20.480 difference between Islamic Counselor of Scholars, which was led by 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.520 Karadawi and introduced to the West as the moderate to 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.920 form of Islam, and al Kaida is different method, not 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:30.800 an ideology, not the aim, because all of them, when 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:34.160 you come to later, might explain this the end of 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:41.200 the same place. It's a civilization aiming at one goal 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.800 and one God. Only how you get there is a 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:48.680 different That's the only difference between them. 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:53.320 You discussed in a recent article a remarkable document that 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:59.520 was published by the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:06.040 is SCO. The document is called the Strategy for Islamic 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:11.920 Cultural Action Outside the Islamic World. And I want to 0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:16.600 emphasize that this is not put out by some NGO 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.880 or some kind of fringe group. Rather, it is a 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:27.959 kind of institutional formalization of what the Muslim countries around 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.200 the world, Muslim communities see as. 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.400 The goal of Islam in the West. 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.400 It was that it was adopted document. It was adopted 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:43.720 document at the Doha Conference of Islamic Operation Council, signed 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:48.840 officially signed by fifty seven Musclim majority country. No, it's 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:53.160 a government policy. It's multi national government policy, and it's 0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:55.480 been around to twenty six years and they are the 0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.680 one who publish it. It's not a conspiracy theory theory. 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:02.880 That's actually official Islamic States policy and you will see 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:04.120 how it's been implemented. 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.000 Now, let's talk about what the document says, because this 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:12.200 is a at a very broad level, a road map 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:17.480 for what is the goal of Muslims or what should 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:21.240 be the goal of Muslims, both Muslim individuals but also 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.760 Muslim institutions and Muslim groups in the West. 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:26.400 What is that goal? 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.960 Okay, let me start in a different place. I want 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.760 to start from the United States National Archive. You go 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:37.880 there under heavy armored guard and a bulletproof class. You 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.720 have the most precious document in America's history, and right 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.920 involved in one of those documents, you have that three 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.760 words we the people. Those are the foundation of the 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:54.560 entirety of American political philosophy. They come before any political 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:59.800 party disagreement, before any activity activist, liking or disliking. Those 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:03.360 are the ground that every single American in its institution 0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:08.239 stands on and is grounded on. On the other, completely 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:12.320 the other side of these three words, we the people, 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.000 you would have an Islamic philosophy called the Hackey media, 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:21.120 which means the absolute sovereignty of all Lah, where all 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.799 Llah is the only one who's allowed and can make 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:30.200 or change laws. So the most foundational document in American 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.320 history or actually in Western political philosophy, and is seen 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:38.120 by that concept as a confession to the act of 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:42.799 the gravest usurpation of power. Ever, it's a plus for me, 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.080 simple as that, because when you said we the people 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:49.799 are the source of law, are the sources where we 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:53.600 find some laws are wrong, we change it to abolish slavery. 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.200 We do that because we the people. And on the 0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.920 other side, they're hearing you committing an active class FIM, 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.839 the strategy you're looking at is the vehicle that will 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.319 get you from one point to the other. It's not 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.160 the ideology, it's what gets you there because its function 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:14.000 is specifically, if you read it carefully, it's using very 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:19.520 very very intension military language, like talking about the Muslim 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.960 community in western countries or non Islamic country as the 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.919 front line for the Ummah for the name for Islamic nation. 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.439 That's basically the language you use when you talk about 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.320 the Eastern Front. That's a military language. They're talking about 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:38.359 the Muslim community that they should be immunized against Western assimilation. 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:42.400 They are telling you those communities are not here to assimilate. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.720 They are here as a peach head for the Ummah 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.759 and the ACT. When you were talking early asking about apostasy, 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:55.480 the document states that's Muslim community in the West with 0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:59.319 function with the one way evalve. No one is allowed act. 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.120 But the one of their functions is to absorb, convert 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:07.560 to Islam and to integrate them into the Omah. And 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.799 when we said the oma, the whole concept of it, 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.239 it means the submission to the hakeemia, to the absolute 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.440 power and jurisprudence of Allah. So you're getting we the 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:21.720 people to to go back to their place. The people 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:27.080 in Islamic concept are like a museum creator, not a 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.640 painter in an art school. A creator the museum are 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:34.319 not allowed to change a masterpiece. You study it, you 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:39.719 observe it, you keep it safe, but it's not your 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:44.399 job to do something new with it. We treat our civilization, 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:49.279 Western civilization as a student an art school. Make a masterpiece. 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:50.920 Show me what you're going to do with what you 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.319 have that concept, you're not allowed to do it. It 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:58.080 will be like the very common view these days when 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.680 some climate act gone through oil and paint on a masterpiece. 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:07.279 You see it as an active aggression, as an active vandalism. 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:14.000 So we the people from Islamic perspective, is an active vandalism. 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.839 To draw out the implication of what you're saying, there 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:22.480 are many Americans who have looked at traditional immigrant groups 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:29.120 as coming to America wanting to become part of our society, 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:34.200 accepting our laws. In fact, coming to join a club 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:38.400 that they have always wanted to be members of so 0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:42.160 that they can have a better life. And this is 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.480 the general view of why the Irish came, and the 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:50.240 Italians and the Jews, and I think by a certain 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:54.520 type of general extension, there are many people who think, well, 0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.759 the Muslims are coming kind of under the same rubric 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:02.000 and under the same bargain. I think what you're saying 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.920 is that this is actually not the case, or at 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:10.320 least this is not the goal of Islamic immigration to 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:10.840 the West. 0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:14.560 What I'm saying, let me make a very clear distinction. 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:19.800 Muslim community in non Muslim country might not be aware 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:24.600 of the strategy, might actually cooperate with it, and might 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:28.200 not even know it says co exist. And that's completely 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:33.800 irrelevant because what we have is not an immigration policy problem, 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:39.480 it's an autoimmune disease problem. The Western protection system, immunity 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.800 system which we have, religious freedom, freedom of opinion, freedom 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.920 of conscience, freedom and aciation are used as a weapon 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:50.320 against the West itself. Those are the tools we're supposed 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:54.040 to protect our the body, but those are the tools 0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.600 that use If you read the document, it explicitly stated 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:01.640 that a Muslim should be incarriage, to take political office, 0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:06.480 to participate in uh a culture event in media. The 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.520 genuinely a Muslim might do that in America because he 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.560 want to be a star, he want to be a lawyer, 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.520 he wan to he want to participate in this. He 0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:18.520 doesn't have a clue what that served. But by educating 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.960 them since the ninety through Islamic Center that was golf 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:29.359 money funded Egyptian as our university's scholars, teaching, and some 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.759 countries in Europe actually pay to get Curriculal'll clear about 0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:34.880 that in a second, to get curricul and talk to 0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:39.239 their children under the authority of another government. So all 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:43.160 of this would lead ultimately to the same place. When 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.600 you look at someone who has an autoimmune disease, it 0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:50.680 functioned individually as the immune system should function. It flares, 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.760 it shows rashes. You know, you think the immune system 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.719 is working. But when you look at the whole diagnostic 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:02.400 as a whole and on civiliza level, the person is dying. 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.880 So and the problem with that is you are you 0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.200 will not be able to ignore the problem. If you're 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:12.320 looking at my immigration, if you're looking at cutter media funding, 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.399 university research funding in isolation, you have to look at 0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:20.840 all of it together where it leads what's the destination. 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:26.120 You have a community that feel more connected to someone 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:27.560 on the other side of the world. When you have 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.760 someone running in an office and he says my people, 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.160 he doesn't mean he's constituents. He means the guys in 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:39.680 Bangladesh or Nigeria or Indonesia, that's my people. So you're 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.600 talking about completely two different things. He would be serving 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:49.240 the community, but to what goal? The the already most 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.360 of that and a lot of them are Western born 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:57.080 citizens and even convert. But it's the same, the same 0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.880 problem you have. Imagine this for a second. If you 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:06.680 have an institution that is run, funded, educated by Russian 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:11.360 government in America for over multi decayed and multi generation, 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.480 and it's kept to have its loyalty knowingly or not 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:21.000 to the Mother Church, Eastern Orthodox Russia and by extension, 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:25.640 the Russian Federation, how would you deal with that? That 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.560 that's the problem you have in Europe. I told you, 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.200 I'll tell you about that. In Europe, you have countries 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:34.200 like France. They used to I think they stopped it 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.960 now to pay Morocco in order to teach Arabic to 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:43.560 French citizens from North Africa. And the curriculum is under 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:49.000 French under Moroccan government authority and design and teachers. So 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:54.239 the French government paying Moroccan citizens to teach French citizens 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:59.600 about Morocco. How to keep the roots. In Germany, the 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.560 relig just affair under Duran in Turkey are paid by 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:08.399 the German tax payers in order to teach German from 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.800 Turkish origin about Islam. And it's controlled by the religious 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:17.480 authority that's under Duran government, and it's across Europe. Several 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:24.120 countries of Europe are teaching Arabic in schools optionally and 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.960 all this strategy is spelt out not conspiracy in the 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:32.960 documentary I sent you and to see the example in 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:39.640 Europe since that was published in two thousands, they started 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.800 before that, before that, with the first meeting was in France, 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:46.800 a cooperation between government in what they do, and since 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.680 then Islamic Center and Islamic education system and mosque and 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:56.880 schools mushroomed around Europe and you have naturally no conspiracies 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.480 needed and people are in it don't even have to 0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:03.080 be aware of. With several jurisdictions in Europe voted in 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:07.360 entire city council of Muslims, and you know you have 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:12.360 you have people uh winning election because they are running 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:17.120 in European country for Gaza and rising the Plastinian flag, 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:21.240 which nothing to do with the constituents except the constituents 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.839 think more about the people there as my people than 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:29.239 actually the country they live in. It's that kind of 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:33.600 dynamic and they are not voting for global conspiracy. It's 0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:39.040 the way it happens organically weaponizing your own system to 0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.440 eat itself. And you see that very clearly by giving 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.240 our own government paying for it. One of the clearest 0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:51.040 case was during the Holyland Foundation trial in America, the 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:56.319 biggest case of terrorist funding in American history. One of 0:43:56.360 --> 0:44:01.000 the unindicted conspirator with Care Council of Islamic American relationship. 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:05.520 During the trial, Care was assistant the FBI in their 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:11.080 counter terrorist activity organization that's been on trial at the 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:15.400 time for terrorists funding. Was advising the FBI about the 0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:20.839 counter terrorists. In the UK, one of the main advisors 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:24.360 of the British government is the Muslim Council of Britain, 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:29.880 which was founded by people who are ideologically belong to 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:35.680 Maududi is an Indian Pakistani scholar who started the Wholy 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.719 school of the absolute sovereignty of all Lah And who 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.320 would think that's the greatest plasphemy is we the people? 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:46.120 Those his disciples are advising the Pritchish government in counter 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.000 terrorism and telling them who's extremists and who's not. So 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:52.439 what immigration would solve that. 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.640 I think what you're saying is that the whole concept 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:03.840 of Islamic radicalism is almost a convenient fiction. And you 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.040 have groups that are pursuing this broad based Islamic agenda, 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.440 and they're able to deflect attention from their own project 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.759 by saying, hey, guess what, We're going to help you 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:19.000 identify the radicals and extremists, and you may want to 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.160 keep an eye on those guys, but meanwhile you're missing 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:27.000 the larger picture of the broader Islamic project, which is 0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.480 well underway, and in fact, we have got your help 0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.640 in promoting and subsidizing it. 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.680 They actually might, genuinely, they might not see it like 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.240 that because they might have a problem with the radical 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.879 what you call radical, because those radical think the one 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.759 who's playing politics are not even Muslims, and they will 0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.320 be their target as well, because they want the change 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.279 from the top down, the same way it happened in 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.880 the early history of Islam in India and Egypt, in Spain. 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.239 So they want or nine to eleven, they want that 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:02.040 kind of change, that non radical these thing. No, they 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.120 want exactly the same thing. That's the Islamic flag raised 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:09.279 above Westminster and White House. But we will be voted in. 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.400 We're not going to do it violently, We're just going 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.520 to but the same goal. It's the same. You're talking 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:21.040 about the spectrum and methodology they might have. You might 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:27.319 have in America, for example, several different criminal gangs. Not 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.040 all of them are violent, some of them are con artists, 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:34.400 some of them are you know, doing charity work. But 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:39.200 the goal at the end is what I'm looking at. 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:43.120 I if I take that concept, this activity, all of 0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:47.840 it and add it together, is what's the end the result, 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.040 what those ingredients are going to cook for me? What's 0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:54.000 the end meal? And the end meal is they want 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:58.560 Islamic society. Mother tell you that and none Moderate tell 0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:00.879 you that. The difference is one wanted now and one 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:04.200 would walk for it in several generations. The easiest could 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:10.279 document is explicitly said first, second, third, fourth generation. It's 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:14.920 a multi generational document telling you we won't immunize Muslim 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:19.640 community in non Islamic country again its assimilation. I'm not 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.080 making it up. I'm courting it again, its assimilation and 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:28.480 protect them from the danger of a Western culture. So 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:33.160 you have this group and these stated clearly depend on 0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:37.560 the fact that this community will demographically increase higher perth 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:41.759 rate younger generation while Western community is lower birth rate 0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:47.879 and older generation. So will without even immigration, they will 0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:55.360 increase demographically the absorbed convert, and which according to the document, 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.840 might be through persuasion or it might be through marriage. 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.240 So because in Islam, a non Muslim American, one Amerrian, 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.960 a Muslim American, we'd have to convert to Islam first, 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:11.560 and then that became one other person in the ouma, 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.040 one one, one more person closer to the final project. 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:20.120 And it is not secret. They don't need to be radicalized, 0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:23.839 they don't need getting you to look at them. The 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:27.799 ones who commit active terror is a shell game. It's 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.880 a slight of hand because at the end, the bothe 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:35.040 gonna go in the exactly same place with the people 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:36.000 is plasphemy. 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.719 And the goal of the project, just to emphasize it 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:45.480 very clearly, is that is not to have Muslims become 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:50.440 more westernized or more Americanized, but sort of the opposite, 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:55.120 to make America and the West more islam Assized. 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:56.399 Isn't that right? 0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:05.920 The Quran stated quite. It says fight them until there 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:10.800 is no sedition and all the religion becomes for Allah, 0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.200 so that the goal is not America. The goal is 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:18.279 a global empire submitted to Allah. Whether the people in 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.560 that empire are all become Muslims or not. Some of 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:25.960 them might stay Christian or do It's completely irrelevant because 0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.959 you can stay Christian and pay the jijia. You don't 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:31.520 run the country, you don't run for public office, but 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.439 you submit to the authority of Islam. That's the goal, 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:38.000 and that's not the goal is stated by minority. That's 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.840 the goal in the Qoran. That's the goal is stated 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.560 by Muhammad himself. He said in one of the authentic 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:55.440 hadids in Masawa, Allah has pended the earth to me, 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:57.680 and I saw the east and the west and the 0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.719 rule of my uma, my nation. We're reach as far 0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:04.560 as I've seen. So it's in the authentic in the Qur'an, 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:09.759 it's the goal is a global empire that submits to 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.400 the rule of Islam. 0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:18.720 You described a project that travels on the passport of 0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:26.720 American and Western liberty, which is economic freedom, freedom of speech, 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:32.080 religious freedom. But it is attempting to move to a 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:36.200 society in which those freedoms would be curtailed, if not extinguished. 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.840 In other words, its end goal involves a subversion of 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:41.400 those exact freedoms. 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.680 How is the West or how is. 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:48.960 America going to be able to push back against us. 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.240 And I say this because we appear to be captive 0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:54.920 to our own freedoms. We appear to be in an 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:59.000 awkward position of having to repudiate our own bill of 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.839 rights in order to say no to a project that 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:06.760 we know is not taking us where the Constitution wanted 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:07.399 to take us. 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:13.080 Let me take you back to the autoimmune analogy, because 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:19.359 that's precisely what's going on. The system. Western democracy is 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:23.359 not designed to deal with that kind of threat at all, 0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:27.719 because not they didn't. They are stupid or ill equipped, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.880 because the system itself, when it's used against the system. 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:36.160 An autoimmune is your body fighting mechanism, is what is 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:39.880 killing your body. So and the solution would have to 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.000 be in the same way. First, you have to diagnose 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:47.960 it's an autoimmune problem, that's your system fighting itself, and 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.600 it's not just a foreign disease because it is not 0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:54.480 a foreign disease, it's homegrown in many cases. Second, it 0:51:54.520 --> 0:52:00.480 has to be done explicit, with precision, and with devastating effect. 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.480 It has to be the same way you treat autoimmune 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:08.200 is to identify what cell actually eating the body, infecting 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:10.799 the body, and those cell you'd have to target those 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:14.439 you don't invite care to the White House to advise you. 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:18.520 You're having basically the pathogen telling you what cells you 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.319 should reject and what selves you should deep when the 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.839 pathigs on itself is with you in the room. So 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.960 Western country would have and to diagnose the problem different 0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:33.200 the other problem we don't recognize. We have built in 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:41.360 mechanism that forbid the diagnostics Slamophobia. For example, I'll be 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.640 labeled islamophobe completely if I wasn't born in a musculing 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:48.000 for everything I said to you today, because that is designed, 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:55.080 not grown organically. It was designed to confuse people, individuals 0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:58.759 with the ideology. So the second uklarocricize the ideology, Oh 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.960 you're anti Muslim, you're your racist, your piggot, your islamophob 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:07.400 so and let everything move on. And Islamophobia is basically 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:11.360 someone tell you ignore the man behind the curtain, because 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:14.120 they are fifty seven men behind the curtain and they 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.600 have signard document says that's what we want to do, 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.200 and they've been working on it for twenty six years, 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:23.880 and you can see the result in several European countries. 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.600 You can see it in some American states, and the 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.600 people who are doing it are not actually nefarious. People 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:34.120 avoided Mandanni in I believe they thought he's great for 0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:38.120 New York, whatever his policy. But the end, the project 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:42.800 itself is a submission to ideology that's funded by a 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:49.640 fifty seven foreign country and sometimes educated by teachers who 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:52.920 work for those foreign countries. How you deal with that? 0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:57.480 Diagnose the problem first, The first thing you have to do. 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:01.560 Diagnose the problem on civilization level. If you don't do that, 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:05.359 we will be eroded, one system at a time, one 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.359 city municipality at a time, one city council at a time. 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.080 Let me ask you a question that borders on the spiritual, 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:15.320 which is that one of the great strengths of Islam 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.759 is that it has not lost the force of its 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:23.520 original revelation. You've got people today who are just as 0:54:23.560 --> 0:54:26.960 devoted to Islam as probably some of the people who 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:32.440 surrounded the prophet Muhammad. In Christianity, however, you seem to have, 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.960 particularly in Europe, but to some degree also in America, 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:41.480 a secularization you referred earlier to an Easter Sunday Christianity. 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:47.720 You've got a kind of more modest devotion to the cause. 0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:50.759 And my question is, do you think that in the end, 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:55.760 it will take a powerful Christian revival in the West 0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:59.359 to be fully up to the challenge posed by the 0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:00.360 Islamic pri project. 0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:06.920 Okay, let me start by correcting you. I think the 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.680 power in Islam not the people devotion, because we actually 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:13.239 cannot know logically how many people are devoted Muslim. It's 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:17.120 impossible to know because I'm still counted and easy as 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:21.400 a Muslim. So once you're in, born in it, or 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:23.920 came in it, that's it. You're in and there's no 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:29.440 way out. The power Islam have its function as retric 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:33.480 It's intellectual junk food. I know that's a strong statement, 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.279 so let me explain what I mean by it and 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:39.000 give you a quick example. When you look at junk food, 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:42.600 it looks nice, it smells nice, it looks like something 0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:44.960 you would like to eat, and it might be good 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:49.000 for you. But when you know the ingredients, you actually 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.520 discover it's not food in any meaningful way, and it's 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:56.759 actually bad for you. As an example, one of the 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.640 most famous verses in the Qur'an, which is Christian, when 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:03.480 the the psychological and rector of it will take them 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:07.480 completely different direction. They killed him, not they crucified him. Not, 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:10.200 but it appeared to them talking about the crusifix of 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.200 Jesus seven words in the Kurna and hadid. That's it, 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:18.680 talking about that big historical event that's the core foundation 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:22.319 of Christian theology. But until you ask, actually, what's the 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:26.840 ingredients what this verse is doing. It's not denying that 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:30.800 crucifixion as a historical event. Someone was on the cross, 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:36.040 and everybody standing there believe that someone with Jesus. Islam 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:39.440 is denying the identity of the person. So built in 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:46.960 with the claim is immunionization from any sort of evidence 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:51.640 because you bring them eyewitness account, a document, take them there, 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:55.040 it's Jesus. Yeah, it looks like him. It appeared to you. 0:56:55.520 --> 0:56:58.520 So when you have a verse that is unfalsifiable in 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:02.560 the logic, that very is not even wrong when a 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:04.560 Muslim bring If a Muslim bring this up to me, 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:07.120 the only rational answer for me is like to be 0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:11.600 would you like some fries with that? Because it exited 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:15.040 the realm of the domain of truth claim. It's not 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.880 making a truth claim, it's telling you something that will 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:22.160 shake you to the core because it's power. He didn't die, 0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:25.520 he wasn't put in the cross. But when you look 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:29.840 behind the curtain, it's actually not saying anything. So that's 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:33.720 why I mean by it's an intellectual junk food. Once 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:37.480 you just go beyond what the claim is, I can 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:39.640 give you many examples that will end the same thing. 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:44.680 But the power of red trick is very convincing and 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.440 the way you find Muslim speak with the confidence about 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:52.320 what they are thinking, they saying. And the bigger problem 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:58.040 is globally, the vast majority of Muslim probably more than 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:03.000 ninety seven percent of them, are incapable logically to check 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:06.640 the sources of Islam. I'll tell you why, because in 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.040 order to check these sources what they mean, you have 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:12.440 to go to classic Arabic. Classic Arabic is a second 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:16.240 language to most Arabs. It's like you reading a fifteenth 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:21.800 century English document, legal document, so there's terminology that's archaic 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:24.800 are not used. So by just going to classic Arabic, 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.720 you have to execlude all non Arab Muslim from the picture. 0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:32.280 That leaves about four hundred million who can speak Arabic. 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.400 Out of those, thirty two percent are under the age 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:39.880 of fourteen, twenty three percent are illiterate, and some of 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.840 them are not Muslim at all, and some are not religious. 0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:47.000 Leaves you with about forty to fifty millions who are 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:51.200 capable of actually reading classic Arabic, not the engaged with it. 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:53.720 And if you're going to be very generous and add 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:57.760 ten million non arab scholars to them, you get about 0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:02.800 sixty millions who are capable. Logically, that's les than three 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:07.400 percent the actual people who read it. With the affraction 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:11.480 of that number, they made a study in a dub 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:15.200 a few years ago. They found that the average Arabic 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:21.440 speaking person read six minutes a year. So that means 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:25.360 whatever religion they are new, they are not actually checking 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:28.680 the sources. They are taking that from the gate keeper, 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.160 from the scholars who are educated by a foreign government. 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:37.040 To explain how far that goes. One of the very 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:42.920 common misconceptions about Islam today is alcohol in Islam is 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:47.120 forbidden and it always has been. You heard it before. 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:52.600 That's not true. There's an Arabic in the book saying 0:59:53.520 --> 1:00:00.480 quite humorous statement, says yaz sure his opinion about music 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.960 that of Hejazz, and in drinking is that of Iraq. 1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:07.480 Because there was a disagreement historically between the scholar of 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:10.400 Hejazz Mecca and Medina and the scholar of Basra and 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:16.640 Baghdad about is all alcohol forbidden or only that made 1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:20.400 out of grape juice. So the Iraqi were quite lenient 1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:22.960 and they will say not only what made of grape juice, 1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:25.760 the other you can drink, but don't get into untoxicated. 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:29.640 So someone and the hejazi said music is forbidden. So 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.800 someone who wants to have a drink and listen to music, 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:36.360 he go and fed to a shopping between the scholars 1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:42.200 Muslim today, I think there is something called sharia that's unanimous, unified, 1:00:42.400 --> 1:00:45.480 and that said, no, you don't have that. What you 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:50.480 have is a very specific school that was sold to 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:57.040 non Arabic speaking Muslim by Sadi a Habitz, Pakistani Islamia 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:02.880 and Egyptian Azar. That very specific school is what's sold 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:09.000 in the West, and it almost cannot be corrected based 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:12.320 on English translation because the people who sold you that 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:17.480 version are the one who's translating the books in English. 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:22.600 So I'm returning to your quotation, your quotation earlier about 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:28.040 the Quran with regard to the crucifixion and Jesus. To me, 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:31.280 it helps to illuminate something that we hear in our 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:35.200 own society now you'll hear it said by Muslims and 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:38.600 also by some people on the left, and Tucker Carlson 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:43.920 has repeated something of the same ilk, namely that Islam 1:01:44.520 --> 1:01:50.080 accepts Jesus as a prophet and is therefore closer to 1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:55.160 Christianity than Judaism, which rejects Jesus. 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:57.200 I'd like you to comment on this. 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.800 When a Muslim say that to me, and I hear 1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:04.760 it a lot, my reply always is, that's great, So 1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:06.520 you believe in the Son of God who came and 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:09.439 died in across the cervies people, No, I don't. I said, 1:02:09.480 --> 1:02:12.440 you just said, I accept Jesus, but not that one. 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.960 That's the only Jesus we have. We don't have another one. 1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:18.920 So you have to force again the intellectual junk food analogy. 1:02:19.240 --> 1:02:22.720 What actually is he saying I have the name Jesus. 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.080 I know you were around during the First Gulf War 1:02:27.200 --> 1:02:31.040 and it was hugely covered by C and N and 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:36.280 the person who's cover it was Bernard Show, an American. 1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:39.880 If I tell you about Bernard Show, and I mean 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:43.240 the Irish author, am I talking about the same Bernard Show. 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:47.400 So the fact that you stick the label Jesus, which 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:50.560 is not in Islam. It's Aesa which came from Us 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:53.880 the Greek, which huge problem for Islam. But different story. 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:59.680 Did you stick that name on anything? It's actually doesn't 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:05.400 solve problem Islam. From a Christian perspective, what islam believe 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:10.480 about Jesus is an absolute form of plasphemy. Contrary to that, 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:14.200 what Jews believe about Jesus is accepted by Christians because 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:18.400 here's what here's the actual problem. When Jesus went on 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:21.400 in Matthew twelve six to eight, and he was still 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:26.680 talking to Jews, telling them here something greater than the 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:30.680 Temple two verse later, so you know, the Son of 1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:33.240 Man is Lord of the Sabbath. For a Jew in 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:36.320 the first century to hear those two sentences is a 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.360 lot worse than a Black American hearing the N word 1:03:39.360 --> 1:03:45.280 from Tucker Carson psychologically speaking, because the Temple is God's 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:48.280 dwelling place. That's how a Jews see it. To tell 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:51.640 Jesus to say someone greater than the Temple, and the 1:03:51.680 --> 1:03:55.200 Sabbath is the Sabbath of God, that's his own day 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:58.000 in the Ten Commandments. So when Jesus says I'm the 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:02.240 Lord of the Sabbath, he's claiming property over God's own property. 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:06.320 So for a Jew, he has one of two choices. 1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:10.200 Believe him and down in your knees call him Lord 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:13.000 and savior, or you don't, and then you apply the law, 1:04:13.040 --> 1:04:16.480 which in Deuteronomy thirteen says, if someone came to you 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:19.840 saying let's go after another God, you kill him. That's 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:22.520 literally written the law. So the Jews who believed what 1:04:22.680 --> 1:04:25.920 Jesus was saying understood exactly what they're saying. He said, 1:04:26.200 --> 1:04:28.880 but we don't believe you. The fact that we don't 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:33.640 believe you means they are pushed by law to kill him. 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:36.040 When a Muslim come, he says, yeah, but he really 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:40.840 doesn't mean that's that, you know, that's condescending to what 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:45.080 Jesus said, dismissive to his claim. And he said, oh, 1:04:45.080 --> 1:04:49.080 when Jesus said I and a father are one, he's 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:51.400 just like me and you are one. He's just being friendly. 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:55.520 So cus Lewis made that point quite clearly. Say the 1:04:55.640 --> 1:05:00.320 idea of taking Jesus as the great moral teacher is 1:05:00.800 --> 1:05:04.080 made by someone who doesn't know what Jesus said or 1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:08.600 understand it. It's an idea that was never intended by Jesus, 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:14.080 and he never meant to. It's a condescending nonsense. Basically 1:05:14.080 --> 1:05:19.320 what lewis saying, because Jesus claimed to be the creator everything, 1:05:20.000 --> 1:05:21.800 He claimed to be the lord of the Sabbath. He 1:05:21.880 --> 1:05:24.960 claimed to be greater than the Temple. And if you're 1:05:24.960 --> 1:05:27.440 going to take those words as he said them and 1:05:27.480 --> 1:05:31.200 says that's a great moral teacher, you don't understand what 1:05:31.280 --> 1:05:35.640 he's saying and wors and in Islam he actually comes 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:39.680 second to Muhammad. You know, he's not even the greatest 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:48.160 moral example. They conquered. Jesus stook him of his only title, 1:05:49.160 --> 1:05:53.480 all his claims, all his authority. When you have someone, 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:58.800 let's assume the Islamic Jesus is a human being. All 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.760 authority in heaven on earth has been given to me. 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:05.200 That's a claim can be made by human all authority 1:06:05.200 --> 1:06:08.320 in heaven and earth. That means all authority God himself have. 1:06:09.520 --> 1:06:12.040 So when you read what Jesus said and he says, oh, 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:15.120 this is a good prophet, you don't understand what you're saying. 1:06:15.880 --> 1:06:21.720 And so the Muslim claim itself it's either a mislabeling 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:26.680 of someone we're not show or a complete misunderstanding to 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:32.640 what they are reading, or a rejection to everything Christian have, 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.919 which another headache for Islam. You know, oh, you don't 1:06:35.920 --> 1:06:39.080 have the true Bible. That's one of the biggest, huge 1:06:39.120 --> 1:06:43.000 problems for Islam. I don't know. If you have time, 1:06:43.040 --> 1:06:46.360 I can. I can tell you why if we have time, 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:48.760 but I don't want to keep speaking. 1:06:49.560 --> 1:06:51.960 Just well to me, it's very fascinating because what you're 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:57.880 really saying is that the Jews might reject Jesus based 1:06:57.960 --> 1:07:00.920 upon his claims, but they take the claim him seriously. 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:05.760 They understood what Jesus is saying about himself. It's almost 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:10.640 as if Islam refuses to even consider the possibility that 1:07:10.680 --> 1:07:13.360 what Jesus is saying may not be true, may or 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:15.960 may not be true. In other words, Islam doesn't even 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:20.800 reject Jesus. They invent a kind of new Jesus of 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:23.240 their own, choosing yes. 1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:27.920 And if you read, if you read Matthew twenty two specifically, 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:31.080 and Matthew twelve and Matthew twenty two and see what 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:35.000 Jesus is doing as a first century Jew, you have 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:39.320 no choice. Jesus made this binary very clear. You either 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:42.840 believe in him or you kill him. Because if you 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:46.760 read Matthew, you'll find out. That's the religious leader didn't 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:50.160 want to kill him during the Sabbath, so why did they? 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:55.160 Because he pushed that choice in Matthew twenty one. You 1:07:55.200 --> 1:08:02.800 know the claims he made is one of two things, matc. Thomas, 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:07.400 my Lord and my Savior, or crucify him. There is 1:08:07.480 --> 1:08:10.400 no third choice, and that's based on the Bible itself. 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:16.040 For Islam, now, Jesus doesn't mean what he says. 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