Speaker 1: Are African Muslims taking over America? Well, they're certainly trying to.
Speaker 1: I use the term African Muslim in its widest and
Speaker 1: most general sense. It includes Africans in America. It includes
Speaker 1: African Americans with Muslim connections. It includes Muslims with African connections.
Speaker 1: It also includes Muslims with African roots or even with
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern roots that are very.
Speaker 2: Close to Africa.
Speaker 1: And Egyptian Muslim, for instance, is an African Muslim because
Speaker 1: Egypt is in Africa. But even Lebanese and Palestinian Muslims
Speaker 1: are very close both religiously and culturally to African Muslims. Basically,
Speaker 1: this is one third world Afrocentric Islamic community. So who
Speaker 1: are these African Muslims who want to take over America. Well,
Speaker 1: there's Ilhan Omar, a Muslim who was born in Somalia
Speaker 1: and whose family was part of the tribal conflicts in Somalia.
Speaker 1: Also Omar Fate, another Muslim from Somalia. He ran for
Speaker 1: mayor and lost, but he's very active in organizing in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: There's New York.
Speaker 1: Mayor Zoran Mamdani, whose mother is Indian but whose father
Speaker 1: is a black African they are Muslims from Uganda. Mamdani
Speaker 1: campaigned actively for Daria Liza Avila Chevalier, who won the
Speaker 1: Democratic nomination for Congress in a New York congressional district.
Speaker 1: She's an Afro Latina with roots in the Dominican Republic.
Speaker 1: She converted to Islam in twenty eighteen and identifies as
Speaker 1: a Democratic Socialist. Just like Mamdani, Michigan Congresswoman Rashida Talib
Speaker 1: is a Muslim with Palestinian roots of parents of Palestinian
Speaker 1: immigrants in Michigan. We also find Abdul Rahman Mohammad l Sayed.
Speaker 1: He's the likely Democratic nominee for the US Senate, another Muslim,
Speaker 1: as his name clearly indicates he was born in America,
Speaker 1: but his parents are immigrants from Egypt. And let's not
Speaker 1: forget melat Kiros, an Ethiopian born in Addis Ababa. Her
Speaker 1: public records make no mention of her religious identity.
Speaker 2: Maybe she has none.
Speaker 1: What we know is our family emigrated to the US
Speaker 1: as part of the diversity visa lottery when she was
Speaker 1: a baby. There's also Deanice Lewis George, an African American
Speaker 1: who is likely the next mayor of Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: She's not Muslim, but has close ties to Muslims and
Speaker 1: also black Muslims in the nation's capital. She's also a
Speaker 1: democratic socialist with a very similar agenda to the African
Speaker 1: Muslims I've just listed. I have one final politician to
Speaker 1: add to my list of African Muslims, the mayor of Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: Jacob Fray. Now, my choice of pray seems odd because
Speaker 1: he he's not African and he's not Muslim, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to dub him an honorary African Muslim.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you why.
Speaker 1: Jacob Frey ran as a left wing Democrat against the
Speaker 1: African Muslim oh Marfaatee. Basically, the two men had a
Speaker 1: similar ideology, but one was white, one a black Muslim
Speaker 1: from Somalia. Faate tapped into the Somali community to try
Speaker 1: and win the democratic nomination, but Frey out maneuvered him,
Speaker 1: not by courting the white or non Muslim vote. Rather,
Speaker 1: Frey allied himself with Somali's who come from tribes that
Speaker 1: hate Fat's tribe. Think about this, a white guy from
Speaker 1: Minnesota figures out that the Somalian Muslims are not one group.
Speaker 2: They may have low IQs.
Speaker 1: Some research at any rate suggests that, but they break
Speaker 1: up into tribal groups that want to wipe each other out.
Speaker 1: They import these tribal affiliations to America. Frey learns how
Speaker 1: to play one Somali group against the other, and in
Speaker 1: this way.
Speaker 2: He beats Fate.
Speaker 1: That's why he deserves his honorary African Muslim title. I've
Speaker 1: been focusing on African Muslims in electoral politics, but there
Speaker 1: are also a horde of African Muslim activists who work
Speaker 1: to advance a common ideological agenda.
Speaker 2: I mention just too.
Speaker 1: Uma Abidin a Muslim married to George Soros's son Alex
Speaker 1: Soros and actively involved with his political activism. Muma Abadin's
Speaker 1: mom is the professor of Islamic studies from Pakistan. Her
Speaker 1: dad is from India, also Amal Kuni formerly Amal al Muddin.
Speaker 1: She's the activist wife of actor George Klooney, an attorney
Speaker 1: who was born in Beirut, Lebanon. Her mother is a
Speaker 1: Lebanese Sunni Muslim from Tripoli. Quite a gang, isn't it.
Speaker 1: This whole gang has close connections to democratic socialism, even
Speaker 1: if they are not explicit about their membership and behind
Speaker 1: the whole group is one Barack Obama, who is not
Speaker 1: a Muslim, but whose dad, Barack Obama Senior and stepfather
Speaker 1: Lolo Satro were both raised Muslim. Obama was born in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: but he had strong African roots. His father, Barack Senior,
Speaker 1: often described as an immigrant, was not one.
Speaker 2: He was an.
Speaker 1: African foreign student who studied briefly in America before returning
Speaker 1: to Africa. I can understand why many people wrongly suspected
Speaker 1: Obama of being born in Africa or of being Muslim.
Speaker 1: It's because his ideology of anti colonialism and anti Americanism
Speaker 1: came from his Kenyan father. Don't believe me, Watch my
Speaker 1: film Obama's America, available on iTunes and elsewhere, which will
Speaker 1: convince you. But even without that, do you recall the
Speaker 1: title of Obama's autobiography, Dreams from my Father, not dreams
Speaker 1: of my father, Dreams from my father. Obama got his
Speaker 1: dreams from his African dad. Now, the striking thing about
Speaker 1: this African Muslim gang that wants to take over America
Speaker 1: and in their words, to remake America or change America
Speaker 1: for the better, to make America become better than its
Speaker 1: founding and better than it ever was. The striking thing
Speaker 1: about these reformers is that they all come from failed societies.
Speaker 2: Here's a partial list.
Speaker 1: Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Kenya, Egypt, the Gaza, stra At Iran.
Speaker 1: These are mostly hell holes, places where no one wants
Speaker 1: to emigrate to and where the people mostly try to
Speaker 1: figure out how to get out. That's how ilan Omar
Speaker 1: came here because Somalia was racked by civil war, a war,
Speaker 1: by the way, stoked by her own family. That's why
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie's family didn't stay in Uganda but escaped to America. Now,
Speaker 1: one might think that coming from failed society, society shaped
Speaker 1: by tyranny, socialism, anti colonialism, wretchedness, these newcomers to America
Speaker 1: would appreciate what's here. One might expect that they would
Speaker 1: be grateful to be in America and fans of the
Speaker 1: founders who made a new type of society where people
Speaker 1: would thrive rather than live in poverty, oppression, and filth.
Speaker 1: I myself was raised in a failed society. India is
Speaker 1: not a failed society now, but it was a failed
Speaker 1: experiment and in socialism in the nineteen seventies, India was
Speaker 1: the begging bowl of the world. Every young person I
Speaker 1: know was trying to get out. There was no life,
Speaker 1: no worthwhile life for us in India. So when I
Speaker 1: came to America, my natural reaction was, Wow, here's the
Speaker 1: country that has its act together. Here's a place where
Speaker 1: everything works. Here's the country with a dream and a
Speaker 1: ladder of opportunity. And all of this is not by accident.
Speaker 1: It was constructed by a group of people who met
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia in the eighteenth century. My patriotism in America
Speaker 1: was built on that, and even now, decades later, my
Speaker 1: politics in America is based on that. Look at my
Speaker 1: books and films, which are most of them studies and
Speaker 1: interpretations of what it means to be an American. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm hardly blind to the immense problems in our society,
Speaker 1: but many of those are brought on by the kind
Speaker 1: of ungrateful immigrants that I've named here. Debbie, my wife,
Speaker 1: is also from Venezuela. She was born there and came
Speaker 1: to this country in nineteen seventy six at the age
Speaker 1: of ten. Now, Venezuela time was not a failed society.
Speaker 1: It was a thriving, oil rich capitalist society. But the
Speaker 1: socialists subsequently ran it into the ground and turned it
Speaker 1: into a Third World hellhole. So Debbie two is grateful
Speaker 1: for America. She knows what her life would be like
Speaker 1: had she stayed in Venezuela. She appreciates the society for
Speaker 1: protecting its vital institutions and for giving her the chance
Speaker 1: to live a good life while her ancestral country went under.
Speaker 1: Debbie has a portrait of George Washington in her home
Speaker 1: office downstairs as a tribute to the man who got
Speaker 1: this country started on the right track.
Speaker 2: So what's going on with these.
Speaker 1: Sulking, resentful African Muslims in America? Why do they have
Speaker 1: such a dedication to their home countries that suck? And
Speaker 1: why are they so bitter and entitled in the country
Speaker 1: that has made their life so much better? More specifically,
Speaker 1: what's the goal or objective in America and how are
Speaker 1: they going about it? The answer to these questions are familiar,
Speaker 1: and yet if we step back and rough on them
Speaker 1: quite amazing. First, the African Muslims insist that their countries
Speaker 1: are poor, tyrannical hellholes on account of the West. The
Speaker 1: West did this to them. America is responsible for their misery.
Speaker 1: Oh really, well, a good deal of Africa was colonized
Speaker 1: by Europe, not by America. So it's one thing to
Speaker 1: blame England and France, another thing to blame America. Other
Speaker 1: countries like Ethiopia were never colonized at all. So how
Speaker 1: is the West, not just America, but the West in
Speaker 1: general to blame for its destitution. Second, the African Muslims
Speaker 1: insist that the West became rich at the expense of
Speaker 1: their countries. This is the old anti colonial chant, you
Speaker 1: got rich because you stole from me. This works if
Speaker 1: you can show first of all that you were rich before,
Speaker 1: and second that I was poor before, and third that
Speaker 1: I came and took your stuff. But in the case
Speaker 1: of these countries like Uganda, Somalia and Ethiopia, they were
Speaker 1: poor to begin with. Second, America did not come and
Speaker 1: take their stuf because there was no stuff to take. Third,
Speaker 1: America did become rich, but that is because of wealth
Speaker 1: created here in this country through entrepreneurial capitalism, a revolution
Speaker 1: that proved successful, a new system of government that actually worked.
Speaker 1: So the ideology of oppression your country took advantage of
Speaker 1: mine simply doesn't work. But the African Muslims aren't finished.
Speaker 1: Once they get to America, they adopt a domestic version
Speaker 1: of the same canard. They go from saying that countries
Speaker 1: were exploited to now insisting that they are being exploited
Speaker 1: as minorities in a majority white and Christian country. Now
Speaker 1: this is major hutzba, because where in Somalia could Ilhan
Speaker 1: Omar have the life that she has here? Where in
Speaker 1: Uganda could mom Danni thrive like he does here? If
Speaker 1: Omar Fat lived in Somalia, he would probably be some
Speaker 1: kind of a tribal warrior or a petty thief, or
Speaker 1: maybe we would find his large, unusual head together with
Speaker 1: other heads in the trophy display of some murderous gang.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Undeterred these African Muslims who come to America and immediately
Speaker 1: enjoy rights they have never enjoyed before, rights utterly alien
Speaker 1: to their messed up homelands, and yet they promptly declare
Speaker 1: their victims of anti black and anti brown and anti
Speaker 1: Muslim sentiment. They start speaking in the language of the left.
Speaker 1: America they say is a bigoted country defined by racism, sexism, homophobia, islamophobia.
Speaker 1: The most cunning of the African Muslims, they're really sneaky
Speaker 1: ones that make it to the top of the heap
Speaker 1: recognize that this ideology of resentment, bogus though it may be,
Speaker 1: nevertheless matches the ideology of one of the major parties
Speaker 1: in America, the Democratic Party, and so they begin their
Speaker 1: ladder of assent through the Democratic ranks, exchanging acceptance and
Speaker 1: entree for the votes of their fellow African Muslims. The
Speaker 1: left and the Democrats, mainly educated white, are delighted to
Speaker 1: find a new self styled victim group that they can
Speaker 1: turn into a constituency. Remember the left, the Democrats, they
Speaker 1: were losing some blacks, they were losing some Hispanics, even
Speaker 1: some gays. So hey, why not welcome this delightful new group,
Speaker 1: African Muslims. All these people, the African Muslims and their
Speaker 1: allies on the left, hate America. They hate traditional America,
Speaker 1: the America of the founding. They hate the people, mostly white,
Speaker 1: who made America what it is. Of course, they cannot
Speaker 1: put it quite that way. They must pretend to love America,
Speaker 1: at least on the fourth of July, and so they
Speaker 1: profess allegiance not to America as it was or America
Speaker 1: as it is, but only to America as it ought
Speaker 1: to be. They dedicate themselves to a future America that's
Speaker 1: radically different from the founders of America. This is what
Speaker 1: it means to be a progressive, to replace the founders
Speaker 1: of America with their America. Their favorite phrase is a
Speaker 1: more perfect union. What they mean is that the un
Speaker 1: you mean is only perfect if they are running it.
Speaker 1: And African Muslim America, in their view, is so much
Speaker 1: better than a white Christian America. Now, they know they
Speaker 1: cannot do it alone, so they're trying to do it
Speaker 1: as part of a team. What the African Muslims want
Speaker 1: is to become indispensable to the Democrats and to the Left,
Speaker 1: and then to use that position to lead the left's
Speaker 1: takeover of America. And doing so, they expect to Africanize
Speaker 1: America and also to Islamicize it. They know the left
Speaker 1: is on board. The Left and the Democrats will not
Speaker 1: just reluctantly acquiesce, they will actively help the African Muslims
Speaker 1: to reach their goals.
Speaker 2: They're doing it now.
Speaker 1: One cannot say the African Muslims of being utopian or dystopian.
Speaker 1: It's not a fanciful project. It's a project that is
Speaker 1: well underway. Now the Islamic aspect of this is driven
Speaker 1: by religious ideology. This has a long history that goes
Speaker 1: back to the Barbary Pirates. In the early nineteenth century,
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson asked his ambassador to investigate why the Barbary
Speaker 1: Pirates based in Triple now part of modern day Libya,
Speaker 1: were harassing American ships. What beef, Jefferson asked, do the
Speaker 1: Muslims have with us? Jefferson's ambassador reported that Abdul Raman,
Speaker 1: the Islamic official he consulted, told him it was simply
Speaker 1: a matter of principle.
Speaker 2: The Quran, he.
Speaker 1: Said, classifies all Western people and all Christian nations as infidels.
Speaker 1: It commands Muslims to defeat and destroy the infidels. So
Speaker 1: that was Raman's defense of the Barbary pirates. Basically, it
Speaker 1: comes down to, hey, they're thugish Muslims, and that's what
Speaker 1: we thugish Muslims do. No need to probe any hidden causes.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more to it than that. This is when
Speaker 1: Jefferson understood that Islam itself.
Speaker 2: Was the problem.
Speaker 1: And now Islam is coming to America in a big
Speaker 1: way courtesy of the African Muslims, whether they practice Islam
Speaker 1: or not. The African Muslims are on board with the
Speaker 1: Islamic project to infiltrade, and overrun and capture the West.
Speaker 1: I'm making a film about this right now. Look for
Speaker 1: it on the Islamic Project in America. The working title,
Speaker 1: which I like a lot, so it probably will be
Speaker 1: the title is United States of Islam. The African Muslims
Speaker 1: like the Islamic part, but they also like the Africanization part.
Speaker 1: Why because Africa is run largely by thugs, and they are,
Speaker 1: in their heart of heart thugs themselves. The reason they
Speaker 1: don't stay in Africa is because there's not enough over
Speaker 1: there to steal, and also there's a danger of being
Speaker 1: eaten alive by other thugs even more violent and ruthless
Speaker 1: than they are. Mam Donnie doesn't want to end up
Speaker 1: on some modern day Idia means dinner plate. I wonder
Speaker 1: what the founders of this country and the people who
Speaker 1: built it up over the generations would say if they
Speaker 1: found out that African Muslims are in the process of
Speaker 1: gaining power in this country with the goal of taking
Speaker 1: it over completely. It's a perverse inversion of their most
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Speaker 1: like America. We become more like them courtesy of the
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Speaker 1: deneshcrypto dot com. Salam al Masri is a writer and
Speaker 1: educator and analyst who lives in the UK. He is
Speaker 1: a Muslim born man who is also a convert to Christianity,
Speaker 1: and he is now a scholar attached to the Ideological
Speaker 1: Defense Institute the IDI. Salam, welcome and thank you for
Speaker 1: joining me. May I start by thank you for having
Speaker 1: me absolutely. May I start by asking you about your
Speaker 1: conversion to Christianity. How did that come about and how
Speaker 1: did you get imprisoned in Egypt for your beliefs?
Speaker 3: Okay, It started by I was born in a Muslim family,
Speaker 3: but I was generally secular Muslim, like you know, Christmas
Speaker 3: and Eastern kind of musclim you know. I would go
Speaker 3: to the mosque once a year for hate prayer, and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And in eighty one I had several
Speaker 3: members of my family arrested during the assassination of the
Speaker 3: Egyptian president and the insurgency in Upper Egyptian as you
Speaker 3: five four hundred miles out. By eighty four, they came
Speaker 3: out and I was at that time, I was a
Speaker 3: trot's kite. So I was fascinated by the revolutionary idea
Speaker 3: of Islamic group because they actually not talking dialect Marx dialect,
Speaker 3: but they are doing something better than the old guard
Speaker 3: of the forty discussing i geology and not doing anything.
Speaker 3: And so I started more getting involved with them for
Speaker 3: a very short time, a few weeks, a few months.
Speaker 3: Because my family connection, I didn't join the higher archy
Speaker 3: from the pace. I became immediately enshrined or thrown in
Speaker 3: the middle of the upper leadership. So I saw the
Speaker 3: whole They took me to the kitchen. Basically, I saw
Speaker 3: the whole thing as it is. That resulted in me
Speaker 3: doing extensive study of Islam for about a year year
Speaker 3: and a half and becoming a deist. And there is
Speaker 3: a god over there, but he really doesn't care for us.
Speaker 3: We don't care for him. A few years later, through
Speaker 3: different studies and some Christians I've met where one very
Speaker 3: specific person was a dentist. He met you me during
Speaker 3: this time I after I became a deist, I moved
Speaker 3: into drug addiction for about a year a year and
Speaker 3: something and I needed to get some work done on
Speaker 3: my teeth, and then I had to go to him.
Speaker 3: I didn't know he's a Christian because names in Mid
Speaker 3: Eastern country function as identity. So a name like Abrahim
Speaker 3: or Abraham, it doesn't tell you what the person religion is,
Speaker 3: but Peter and Hammad do. So he had one of
Speaker 3: those names like Adel, Samir something like that. So I
Speaker 3: found he's actually very strange person. He had two clinics,
Speaker 3: one of them in the equivalent of Park Avenue and
Speaker 3: the other one is the equivalent of the Pronx. So
Speaker 3: he's working in the PRONX while he's taking the money
Speaker 3: from the Park Avenue clinic to spend on the patient
Speaker 3: on the neighborhood. Was just something phenomenon. One time I
Speaker 3: saw one of my former jama Is Lamia comrade before
Speaker 3: I become a Deist in his clinic and I was
Speaker 3: asking him genuinely when I discover as a Christian, you
Speaker 3: know this guy wouldn't mind killing you if he knows
Speaker 3: he can't get away with that. His reply short circuit me.
Speaker 3: He said, yeah, I know, poor guy, he thinks will
Speaker 3: be helping God this way. It didn't compute for me,
Speaker 3: so I started asking him things about theology and to
Speaker 3: the extent to get the point. I said, I have
Speaker 3: no idea. I'm not a theologian. I'm just a dentist.
Speaker 3: Why don't you go and meet this pastor? I said,
Speaker 3: I don't like dealing with got salespeople. He said, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: he's a really good guy. He has a degree in
Speaker 3: Islamic theology, which was quite intriguing to me. So I
Speaker 3: met the pastor. Turns out he has a degree in
Speaker 3: Stamic study, not Islamic theology. And I became intellectually Christian
Speaker 3: more than a spiritually Christian because I tested the system
Speaker 3: to its limit. Every single belief system in human history
Speaker 3: must answer for questions how did we get here, what's
Speaker 3: the problem, how you solve the problem, and what's the end?
Speaker 3: What's it all about? Within Christianity theologically, those questions are
Speaker 3: coherent creation, the full redemption, and glorification the coherent the
Speaker 3: former coherent worldview where it holds, and I did ask.
Speaker 3: Maybe about eighty eight October eighty eight, I read one
Speaker 3: verse in the Bible correctly for the first time. Whenever
Speaker 3: you're reading your mother tongue, your brain autocorrect typos. You
Speaker 3: don't know something unless you're looking for it. And so
Speaker 3: I was reading Isaiah forty three, verse one, and for
Speaker 3: the first time, I read it correctly. In Arabic. The
Speaker 3: difference between my name and your name is a single letter.
Speaker 3: It's me is mac That's the difference. So I was
Speaker 3: always reading it. I called you by my name. This
Speaker 3: day I read it correctly. I called you by your name.
Speaker 3: So I know it doesn't make sense now, but at
Speaker 3: the time it was like the maker of the universe
Speaker 3: has stopped running after intellectual side shows. I'm talking to you.
Speaker 3: There are three and a half billions. I'm calling you
Speaker 3: by name. And that's when I prayed. I asked a
Speaker 3: church pastor to be baptized. He said no, Why, he said,
Speaker 3: I know who you are. They will kill you, they
Speaker 3: will kill me, they'll burn the church. And I don't
Speaker 3: mind if you know what you're doing. So I had
Speaker 3: to convince him, which talk about six months my dad
Speaker 3: saw me reading the Bible, and he said, stop reading
Speaker 3: that thing. He'll become a Christian. I loved, I said, Dad,
Speaker 3: I read everything from Mars to say it could be
Speaker 3: and one more book is not going to do me in.
Speaker 3: So he reported me to the Egyptian State security and
Speaker 3: about two years later I got arrested and thrown in
Speaker 3: jail for without charges for a year. And I got
Speaker 3: out because huge intervention from George W. Bush during an
Speaker 3: administration and Sam brown Back. Senator Sam brown Back the
Speaker 3: actually threatened the Egyptian government to use les law. So
Speaker 3: basically I cost the Egyptian government about one point six
Speaker 3: billion dollars if they kid mean Jay. So they let
Speaker 3: me out.
Speaker 1: My gosh, Salam, you just pointed to something that for
Speaker 1: many people in the West is almost incomprehensible, and that
Speaker 1: is a doctrine in Islam that allows you the freedom
Speaker 1: to walk in but doesn't allow you the freedom to
Speaker 1: walk out. For most people in the West, religious freedom
Speaker 1: means that you can adopt Christianity, or you can become
Speaker 1: a Hindu, or you can become a Muslim, but you
Speaker 1: are also free to leave if you decide that you
Speaker 1: have changed your mind. Why is this is it an
Speaker 1: Islamic Is it in the Quran that you are not
Speaker 1: allowed to exit, and that and that leaving Islam represents
Speaker 1: a kind of apostasy that is punishable by law and
Speaker 1: perhaps even by death.
Speaker 3: It's actually not in the Qur'an. It's an Islamic hadith
Speaker 3: and jurisprudence. But the reason it's there, it's the nature
Speaker 3: of man itself. On the nature of religion within Christianity,
Speaker 3: within most world religion is the redemptive religion. As human,
Speaker 3: you need help, That's what the religion does to you.
Speaker 3: They're trying to help you. If you don't need help,
Speaker 3: you want to stop taking amendic and you want to
Speaker 3: leave Islam, that's that's that doesn't recognize that concept of redemption.
Speaker 3: You need to obey and you need to fall under
Speaker 3: its authority. So by leaving, you're leaving its authority, its dominance.
Speaker 3: There is a hadith Mohammad said islamu Alai. Sorry if
Speaker 3: I'm cutting in Arabic because I'm translating from my men.
Speaker 3: Islams dominate and can never be dominated. So the act
Speaker 3: of leaving, the act of exit itself is like during
Speaker 3: the Second World War, an American soldier go and join
Speaker 3: the third drive. That's how do you see it. Whatever
Speaker 3: the belief or the conviction of the soldier are irrelevant.
Speaker 3: You need to submit to the authority of it. It
Speaker 3: needs to dominate over you. That's why there's no exit.
Speaker 1: I also heard or read recently a kind of corollary
Speaker 1: to that idea which I had not heard before, and
Speaker 1: that is the application of the same principle to Islamic territory.
Speaker 1: In other words, the idea here is that when Islam
Speaker 1: conquers a region or a country, it now belongs to Islam.
Speaker 2: It can never be returned.
Speaker 3: Definitely is still in every single Muslim country today. You
Speaker 3: want to Andalusia back because it was once ruled by Muslim.
Speaker 3: It's not the it's not a French group, it's not
Speaker 3: a minority group. It's actually the whole idea we went from.
Speaker 3: We went Andalusia back, we want Sicily back. And what's
Speaker 3: one of the main reasons you have all the conflict
Speaker 3: over Israel Because it's not short of land. It's not
Speaker 3: short of it, not because that specific land was once
Speaker 3: under Islamic dominance. It becomes what's called in Islam's called
Speaker 3: walk endowment. Endowment. It's an endowment for the Islamic Umah.
Speaker 3: They can never give it back. They still want parts
Speaker 3: of India as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is an astounding concept. Let's
Speaker 1: spell it out more clearly. When you say Andalusia, you're
Speaker 1: referring to Islamic Spain. Yes, the Muslims rule Spain or.
Speaker 3: Use use I used the Andalusia because it was more
Speaker 3: than Spain. It was up to South France, so it
Speaker 3: was larger than Spain. Whatever the land they ruled, they
Speaker 3: won't die.
Speaker 2: Back, right.
Speaker 1: And then the Muslims, in addition, conquered much of northern
Speaker 1: India and established the Mogul Empire. And you're saying that
Speaker 1: to this day there is the belief in Islam and
Speaker 1: this is not Islamic radicalism but rather Islam itself, that
Speaker 1: this territory at some point needs to be returned to
Speaker 1: the return to Islam.
Speaker 3: I actually don't like the term Islamic radicalism at all.
Speaker 3: It's misleading. Think about it like this. Think about like this.
Speaker 3: You walk into buskin robins. There are thirty one flavors. Essentially,
Speaker 3: they are ice cream, So choosing which flavor some of
Speaker 3: them could kill somebody If he had peanut allergy and
Speaker 3: took a Mars sneakers ice cream. But you know, essentially
Speaker 3: ingreed of all of them doesn't differ in its basics
Speaker 3: or in its goal. The only difference between isis and
Speaker 3: Muslim Brotherhood is not the goal, it's the method. The
Speaker 3: difference between Islamic Counselor of Scholars, which was led by
Speaker 3: Karadawi and introduced to the West as the moderate to
Speaker 3: form of Islam, and al Kaida is different method, not
Speaker 3: an ideology, not the aim, because all of them, when
Speaker 3: you come to later, might explain this the end of
Speaker 3: the same place. It's a civilization aiming at one goal
Speaker 3: and one God. Only how you get there is a
Speaker 3: different That's the only difference between them.
Speaker 1: You discussed in a recent article a remarkable document that
Speaker 1: was published by the Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization
Speaker 1: is SCO. The document is called the Strategy for Islamic
Speaker 1: Cultural Action Outside the Islamic World. And I want to
Speaker 1: emphasize that this is not put out by some NGO
Speaker 1: or some kind of fringe group. Rather, it is a
Speaker 1: kind of institutional formalization of what the Muslim countries around
Speaker 1: the world, Muslim communities see as.
Speaker 2: The goal of Islam in the West.
Speaker 3: It was that it was adopted document. It was adopted
Speaker 3: document at the Doha Conference of Islamic Operation Council, signed
Speaker 3: officially signed by fifty seven Musclim majority country. No, it's
Speaker 3: a government policy. It's multi national government policy, and it's
Speaker 3: been around to twenty six years and they are the
Speaker 3: one who publish it. It's not a conspiracy theory theory.
Speaker 3: That's actually official Islamic States policy and you will see
Speaker 3: how it's been implemented.
Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about what the document says, because this
Speaker 1: is a at a very broad level, a road map
Speaker 1: for what is the goal of Muslims or what should
Speaker 1: be the goal of Muslims, both Muslim individuals but also
Speaker 1: Muslim institutions and Muslim groups in the West.
Speaker 2: What is that goal?
Speaker 3: Okay, let me start in a different place. I want
Speaker 3: to start from the United States National Archive. You go
Speaker 3: there under heavy armored guard and a bulletproof class. You
Speaker 3: have the most precious document in America's history, and right
Speaker 3: involved in one of those documents, you have that three
Speaker 3: words we the people. Those are the foundation of the
Speaker 3: entirety of American political philosophy. They come before any political
Speaker 3: party disagreement, before any activity activist, liking or disliking. Those
Speaker 3: are the ground that every single American in its institution
Speaker 3: stands on and is grounded on. On the other, completely
Speaker 3: the other side of these three words, we the people,
Speaker 3: you would have an Islamic philosophy called the Hackey media,
Speaker 3: which means the absolute sovereignty of all Lah, where all
Speaker 3: Llah is the only one who's allowed and can make
Speaker 3: or change laws. So the most foundational document in American
Speaker 3: history or actually in Western political philosophy, and is seen
Speaker 3: by that concept as a confession to the act of
Speaker 3: the gravest usurpation of power. Ever, it's a plus for me,
Speaker 3: simple as that, because when you said we the people
Speaker 3: are the source of law, are the sources where we
Speaker 3: find some laws are wrong, we change it to abolish slavery.
Speaker 3: We do that because we the people. And on the
Speaker 3: other side, they're hearing you committing an active class FIM,
Speaker 3: the strategy you're looking at is the vehicle that will
Speaker 3: get you from one point to the other. It's not
Speaker 3: the ideology, it's what gets you there because its function
Speaker 3: is specifically, if you read it carefully, it's using very
Speaker 3: very very intension military language, like talking about the Muslim
Speaker 3: community in western countries or non Islamic country as the
Speaker 3: front line for the Ummah for the name for Islamic nation.
Speaker 3: That's basically the language you use when you talk about
Speaker 3: the Eastern Front. That's a military language. They're talking about
Speaker 3: the Muslim community that they should be immunized against Western assimilation.
Speaker 3: They are telling you those communities are not here to assimilate.
Speaker 3: They are here as a peach head for the Ummah
Speaker 3: and the ACT. When you were talking early asking about apostasy,
Speaker 3: the document states that's Muslim community in the West with
Speaker 3: function with the one way evalve. No one is allowed act.
Speaker 3: But the one of their functions is to absorb, convert
Speaker 3: to Islam and to integrate them into the Omah. And
Speaker 3: when we said the oma, the whole concept of it,
Speaker 3: it means the submission to the hakeemia, to the absolute
Speaker 3: power and jurisprudence of Allah. So you're getting we the
Speaker 3: people to to go back to their place. The people
Speaker 3: in Islamic concept are like a museum creator, not a
Speaker 3: painter in an art school. A creator the museum are
Speaker 3: not allowed to change a masterpiece. You study it, you
Speaker 3: observe it, you keep it safe, but it's not your
Speaker 3: job to do something new with it. We treat our civilization,
Speaker 3: Western civilization as a student an art school. Make a masterpiece.
Speaker 3: Show me what you're going to do with what you
Speaker 3: have that concept, you're not allowed to do it. It
Speaker 3: will be like the very common view these days when
Speaker 3: some climate act gone through oil and paint on a masterpiece.
Speaker 3: You see it as an active aggression, as an active vandalism.
Speaker 3: So we the people from Islamic perspective, is an active vandalism.
Speaker 1: To draw out the implication of what you're saying, there
Speaker 1: are many Americans who have looked at traditional immigrant groups
Speaker 1: as coming to America wanting to become part of our society,
Speaker 1: accepting our laws. In fact, coming to join a club
Speaker 1: that they have always wanted to be members of so
Speaker 1: that they can have a better life. And this is
Speaker 1: the general view of why the Irish came, and the
Speaker 1: Italians and the Jews, and I think by a certain
Speaker 1: type of general extension, there are many people who think, well,
Speaker 1: the Muslims are coming kind of under the same rubric
Speaker 1: and under the same bargain. I think what you're saying
Speaker 1: is that this is actually not the case, or at
Speaker 1: least this is not the goal of Islamic immigration to
Speaker 1: the West.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, let me make a very clear distinction.
Speaker 3: Muslim community in non Muslim country might not be aware
Speaker 3: of the strategy, might actually cooperate with it, and might
Speaker 3: not even know it says co exist. And that's completely
Speaker 3: irrelevant because what we have is not an immigration policy problem,
Speaker 3: it's an autoimmune disease problem. The Western protection system, immunity
Speaker 3: system which we have, religious freedom, freedom of opinion, freedom
Speaker 3: of conscience, freedom and aciation are used as a weapon
Speaker 3: against the West itself. Those are the tools we're supposed
Speaker 3: to protect our the body, but those are the tools
Speaker 3: that use If you read the document, it explicitly stated
Speaker 3: that a Muslim should be incarriage, to take political office,
Speaker 3: to participate in uh a culture event in media. The
Speaker 3: genuinely a Muslim might do that in America because he
Speaker 3: want to be a star, he want to be a lawyer,
Speaker 3: he wan to he want to participate in this. He
Speaker 3: doesn't have a clue what that served. But by educating
Speaker 3: them since the ninety through Islamic Center that was golf
Speaker 3: money funded Egyptian as our university's scholars, teaching, and some
Speaker 3: countries in Europe actually pay to get Curriculal'll clear about
Speaker 3: that in a second, to get curricul and talk to
Speaker 3: their children under the authority of another government. So all
Speaker 3: of this would lead ultimately to the same place. When
Speaker 3: you look at someone who has an autoimmune disease, it
Speaker 3: functioned individually as the immune system should function. It flares,
Speaker 3: it shows rashes. You know, you think the immune system
Speaker 3: is working. But when you look at the whole diagnostic
Speaker 3: as a whole and on civiliza level, the person is dying.
Speaker 3: So and the problem with that is you are you
Speaker 3: will not be able to ignore the problem. If you're
Speaker 3: looking at my immigration, if you're looking at cutter media funding,
Speaker 3: university research funding in isolation, you have to look at
Speaker 3: all of it together where it leads what's the destination.
Speaker 3: You have a community that feel more connected to someone
Speaker 3: on the other side of the world. When you have
Speaker 3: someone running in an office and he says my people,
Speaker 3: he doesn't mean he's constituents. He means the guys in
Speaker 3: Bangladesh or Nigeria or Indonesia, that's my people. So you're
Speaker 3: talking about completely two different things. He would be serving
Speaker 3: the community, but to what goal? The the already most
Speaker 3: of that and a lot of them are Western born
Speaker 3: citizens and even convert. But it's the same, the same
Speaker 3: problem you have. Imagine this for a second. If you
Speaker 3: have an institution that is run, funded, educated by Russian
Speaker 3: government in America for over multi decayed and multi generation,
Speaker 3: and it's kept to have its loyalty knowingly or not
Speaker 3: to the Mother Church, Eastern Orthodox Russia and by extension,
Speaker 3: the Russian Federation, how would you deal with that? That
Speaker 3: that's the problem you have in Europe. I told you,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about that. In Europe, you have countries
Speaker 3: like France. They used to I think they stopped it
Speaker 3: now to pay Morocco in order to teach Arabic to
Speaker 3: French citizens from North Africa. And the curriculum is under
Speaker 3: French under Moroccan government authority and design and teachers. So
Speaker 3: the French government paying Moroccan citizens to teach French citizens
Speaker 3: about Morocco. How to keep the roots. In Germany, the
Speaker 3: relig just affair under Duran in Turkey are paid by
Speaker 3: the German tax payers in order to teach German from
Speaker 3: Turkish origin about Islam. And it's controlled by the religious
Speaker 3: authority that's under Duran government, and it's across Europe. Several
Speaker 3: countries of Europe are teaching Arabic in schools optionally and
Speaker 3: all this strategy is spelt out not conspiracy in the
Speaker 3: documentary I sent you and to see the example in
Speaker 3: Europe since that was published in two thousands, they started
Speaker 3: before that, before that, with the first meeting was in France,
Speaker 3: a cooperation between government in what they do, and since
Speaker 3: then Islamic Center and Islamic education system and mosque and
Speaker 3: schools mushroomed around Europe and you have naturally no conspiracies
Speaker 3: needed and people are in it don't even have to
Speaker 3: be aware of. With several jurisdictions in Europe voted in
Speaker 3: entire city council of Muslims, and you know you have
Speaker 3: you have people uh winning election because they are running
Speaker 3: in European country for Gaza and rising the Plastinian flag,
Speaker 3: which nothing to do with the constituents except the constituents
Speaker 3: think more about the people there as my people than
Speaker 3: actually the country they live in. It's that kind of
Speaker 3: dynamic and they are not voting for global conspiracy. It's
Speaker 3: the way it happens organically weaponizing your own system to
Speaker 3: eat itself. And you see that very clearly by giving
Speaker 3: our own government paying for it. One of the clearest
Speaker 3: case was during the Holyland Foundation trial in America, the
Speaker 3: biggest case of terrorist funding in American history. One of
Speaker 3: the unindicted conspirator with Care Council of Islamic American relationship.
Speaker 3: During the trial, Care was assistant the FBI in their
Speaker 3: counter terrorist activity organization that's been on trial at the
Speaker 3: time for terrorists funding. Was advising the FBI about the
Speaker 3: counter terrorists. In the UK, one of the main advisors
Speaker 3: of the British government is the Muslim Council of Britain,
Speaker 3: which was founded by people who are ideologically belong to
Speaker 3: Maududi is an Indian Pakistani scholar who started the Wholy
Speaker 3: school of the absolute sovereignty of all Lah And who
Speaker 3: would think that's the greatest plasphemy is we the people?
Speaker 3: Those his disciples are advising the Pritchish government in counter
Speaker 3: terrorism and telling them who's extremists and who's not. So
Speaker 3: what immigration would solve that.
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is that the whole concept
Speaker 1: of Islamic radicalism is almost a convenient fiction. And you
Speaker 1: have groups that are pursuing this broad based Islamic agenda,
Speaker 1: and they're able to deflect attention from their own project
Speaker 1: by saying, hey, guess what, We're going to help you
Speaker 1: identify the radicals and extremists, and you may want to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on those guys, but meanwhile you're missing
Speaker 1: the larger picture of the broader Islamic project, which is
Speaker 1: well underway, and in fact, we have got your help
Speaker 1: in promoting and subsidizing it.
Speaker 3: They actually might, genuinely, they might not see it like
Speaker 3: that because they might have a problem with the radical
Speaker 3: what you call radical, because those radical think the one
Speaker 3: who's playing politics are not even Muslims, and they will
Speaker 3: be their target as well, because they want the change
Speaker 3: from the top down, the same way it happened in
Speaker 3: the early history of Islam in India and Egypt, in Spain.
Speaker 3: So they want or nine to eleven, they want that
Speaker 3: kind of change, that non radical these thing. No, they
Speaker 3: want exactly the same thing. That's the Islamic flag raised
Speaker 3: above Westminster and White House. But we will be voted in.
Speaker 3: We're not going to do it violently, We're just going
Speaker 3: to but the same goal. It's the same. You're talking
Speaker 3: about the spectrum and methodology they might have. You might
Speaker 3: have in America, for example, several different criminal gangs. Not
Speaker 3: all of them are violent, some of them are con artists,
Speaker 3: some of them are you know, doing charity work. But
Speaker 3: the goal at the end is what I'm looking at.
Speaker 3: I if I take that concept, this activity, all of
Speaker 3: it and add it together, is what's the end the result,
Speaker 3: what those ingredients are going to cook for me? What's
Speaker 3: the end meal? And the end meal is they want
Speaker 3: Islamic society. Mother tell you that and none Moderate tell
Speaker 3: you that. The difference is one wanted now and one
Speaker 3: would walk for it in several generations. The easiest could
Speaker 3: document is explicitly said first, second, third, fourth generation. It's
Speaker 3: a multi generational document telling you we won't immunize Muslim
Speaker 3: community in non Islamic country again its assimilation. I'm not
Speaker 3: making it up. I'm courting it again, its assimilation and
Speaker 3: protect them from the danger of a Western culture. So
Speaker 3: you have this group and these stated clearly depend on
Speaker 3: the fact that this community will demographically increase higher perth
Speaker 3: rate younger generation while Western community is lower birth rate
Speaker 3: and older generation. So will without even immigration, they will
Speaker 3: increase demographically the absorbed convert, and which according to the document,
Speaker 3: might be through persuasion or it might be through marriage.
Speaker 3: So because in Islam, a non Muslim American, one Amerrian,
Speaker 3: a Muslim American, we'd have to convert to Islam first,
Speaker 3: and then that became one other person in the ouma,
Speaker 3: one one, one more person closer to the final project.
Speaker 3: And it is not secret. They don't need to be radicalized,
Speaker 3: they don't need getting you to look at them. The
Speaker 3: ones who commit active terror is a shell game. It's
Speaker 3: a slight of hand because at the end, the bothe
Speaker 3: gonna go in the exactly same place with the people
Speaker 3: is plasphemy.
Speaker 1: And the goal of the project, just to emphasize it
Speaker 1: very clearly, is that is not to have Muslims become
Speaker 1: more westernized or more Americanized, but sort of the opposite,
Speaker 1: to make America and the West more islam Assized.
Speaker 2: Isn't that right?
Speaker 3: The Quran stated quite. It says fight them until there
Speaker 3: is no sedition and all the religion becomes for Allah,
Speaker 3: so that the goal is not America. The goal is
Speaker 3: a global empire submitted to Allah. Whether the people in
Speaker 3: that empire are all become Muslims or not. Some of
Speaker 3: them might stay Christian or do It's completely irrelevant because
Speaker 3: you can stay Christian and pay the jijia. You don't
Speaker 3: run the country, you don't run for public office, but
Speaker 3: you submit to the authority of Islam. That's the goal,
Speaker 3: and that's not the goal is stated by minority. That's
Speaker 3: the goal in the Qoran. That's the goal is stated
Speaker 3: by Muhammad himself. He said in one of the authentic
Speaker 3: hadids in Masawa, Allah has pended the earth to me,
Speaker 3: and I saw the east and the west and the
Speaker 3: rule of my uma, my nation. We're reach as far
Speaker 3: as I've seen. So it's in the authentic in the Qur'an,
Speaker 3: it's the goal is a global empire that submits to
Speaker 3: the rule of Islam.
Speaker 1: You described a project that travels on the passport of
Speaker 1: American and Western liberty, which is economic freedom, freedom of speech,
Speaker 1: religious freedom. But it is attempting to move to a
Speaker 1: society in which those freedoms would be curtailed, if not extinguished.
Speaker 1: In other words, its end goal involves a subversion of
Speaker 1: those exact freedoms.
Speaker 2: How is the West or how is.
Speaker 1: America going to be able to push back against us.
Speaker 1: And I say this because we appear to be captive
Speaker 1: to our own freedoms. We appear to be in an
Speaker 1: awkward position of having to repudiate our own bill of
Speaker 1: rights in order to say no to a project that
Speaker 1: we know is not taking us where the Constitution wanted
Speaker 1: to take us.
Speaker 3: Let me take you back to the autoimmune analogy, because
Speaker 3: that's precisely what's going on. The system. Western democracy is
Speaker 3: not designed to deal with that kind of threat at all,
Speaker 3: because not they didn't. They are stupid or ill equipped,
Speaker 3: because the system itself, when it's used against the system.
Speaker 3: An autoimmune is your body fighting mechanism, is what is
Speaker 3: killing your body. So and the solution would have to
Speaker 3: be in the same way. First, you have to diagnose
Speaker 3: it's an autoimmune problem, that's your system fighting itself, and
Speaker 3: it's not just a foreign disease because it is not
Speaker 3: a foreign disease, it's homegrown in many cases. Second, it
Speaker 3: has to be done explicit, with precision, and with devastating effect.
Speaker 3: It has to be the same way you treat autoimmune
Speaker 3: is to identify what cell actually eating the body, infecting
Speaker 3: the body, and those cell you'd have to target those
Speaker 3: you don't invite care to the White House to advise you.
Speaker 3: You're having basically the pathogen telling you what cells you
Speaker 3: should reject and what selves you should deep when the
Speaker 3: pathigs on itself is with you in the room. So
Speaker 3: Western country would have and to diagnose the problem different
Speaker 3: the other problem we don't recognize. We have built in
Speaker 3: mechanism that forbid the diagnostics Slamophobia. For example, I'll be
Speaker 3: labeled islamophobe completely if I wasn't born in a musculing
Speaker 3: for everything I said to you today, because that is designed,
Speaker 3: not grown organically. It was designed to confuse people, individuals
Speaker 3: with the ideology. So the second uklarocricize the ideology, Oh
Speaker 3: you're anti Muslim, you're your racist, your piggot, your islamophob
Speaker 3: so and let everything move on. And Islamophobia is basically
Speaker 3: someone tell you ignore the man behind the curtain, because
Speaker 3: they are fifty seven men behind the curtain and they
Speaker 3: have signard document says that's what we want to do,
Speaker 3: and they've been working on it for twenty six years,
Speaker 3: and you can see the result in several European countries.
Speaker 3: You can see it in some American states, and the
Speaker 3: people who are doing it are not actually nefarious. People
Speaker 3: avoided Mandanni in I believe they thought he's great for
Speaker 3: New York, whatever his policy. But the end, the project
Speaker 3: itself is a submission to ideology that's funded by a
Speaker 3: fifty seven foreign country and sometimes educated by teachers who
Speaker 3: work for those foreign countries. How you deal with that?
Speaker 3: Diagnose the problem first, The first thing you have to do.
Speaker 3: Diagnose the problem on civilization level. If you don't do that,
Speaker 3: we will be eroded, one system at a time, one
Speaker 3: city municipality at a time, one city council at a time.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question that borders on the spiritual,
Speaker 1: which is that one of the great strengths of Islam
Speaker 1: is that it has not lost the force of its
Speaker 1: original revelation. You've got people today who are just as
Speaker 1: devoted to Islam as probably some of the people who
Speaker 1: surrounded the prophet Muhammad. In Christianity, however, you seem to have,
Speaker 1: particularly in Europe, but to some degree also in America,
Speaker 1: a secularization you referred earlier to an Easter Sunday Christianity.
Speaker 1: You've got a kind of more modest devotion to the cause.
Speaker 1: And my question is, do you think that in the end,
Speaker 1: it will take a powerful Christian revival in the West
Speaker 1: to be fully up to the challenge posed by the
Speaker 1: Islamic pri project.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me start by correcting you. I think the
Speaker 3: power in Islam not the people devotion, because we actually
Speaker 3: cannot know logically how many people are devoted Muslim. It's
Speaker 3: impossible to know because I'm still counted and easy as
Speaker 3: a Muslim. So once you're in, born in it, or
Speaker 3: came in it, that's it. You're in and there's no
Speaker 3: way out. The power Islam have its function as retric
Speaker 3: It's intellectual junk food. I know that's a strong statement,
Speaker 3: so let me explain what I mean by it and
Speaker 3: give you a quick example. When you look at junk food,
Speaker 3: it looks nice, it smells nice, it looks like something
Speaker 3: you would like to eat, and it might be good
Speaker 3: for you. But when you know the ingredients, you actually
Speaker 3: discover it's not food in any meaningful way, and it's
Speaker 3: actually bad for you. As an example, one of the
Speaker 3: most famous verses in the Qur'an, which is Christian, when
Speaker 3: the the psychological and rector of it will take them
Speaker 3: completely different direction. They killed him, not they crucified him. Not,
Speaker 3: but it appeared to them talking about the crusifix of
Speaker 3: Jesus seven words in the Kurna and hadid. That's it,
Speaker 3: talking about that big historical event that's the core foundation
Speaker 3: of Christian theology. But until you ask, actually, what's the
Speaker 3: ingredients what this verse is doing. It's not denying that
Speaker 3: crucifixion as a historical event. Someone was on the cross,
Speaker 3: and everybody standing there believe that someone with Jesus. Islam
Speaker 3: is denying the identity of the person. So built in
Speaker 3: with the claim is immunionization from any sort of evidence
Speaker 3: because you bring them eyewitness account, a document, take them there,
Speaker 3: it's Jesus. Yeah, it looks like him. It appeared to you.
Speaker 3: So when you have a verse that is unfalsifiable in
Speaker 3: the logic, that very is not even wrong when a
Speaker 3: Muslim bring If a Muslim bring this up to me,
Speaker 3: the only rational answer for me is like to be
Speaker 3: would you like some fries with that? Because it exited
Speaker 3: the realm of the domain of truth claim. It's not
Speaker 3: making a truth claim, it's telling you something that will
Speaker 3: shake you to the core because it's power. He didn't die,
Speaker 3: he wasn't put in the cross. But when you look
Speaker 3: behind the curtain, it's actually not saying anything. So that's
Speaker 3: why I mean by it's an intellectual junk food. Once
Speaker 3: you just go beyond what the claim is, I can
Speaker 3: give you many examples that will end the same thing.
Speaker 3: But the power of red trick is very convincing and
Speaker 3: the way you find Muslim speak with the confidence about
Speaker 3: what they are thinking, they saying. And the bigger problem
Speaker 3: is globally, the vast majority of Muslim probably more than
Speaker 3: ninety seven percent of them, are incapable logically to check
Speaker 3: the sources of Islam. I'll tell you why, because in
Speaker 3: order to check these sources what they mean, you have
Speaker 3: to go to classic Arabic. Classic Arabic is a second
Speaker 3: language to most Arabs. It's like you reading a fifteenth
Speaker 3: century English document, legal document, so there's terminology that's archaic
Speaker 3: are not used. So by just going to classic Arabic,
Speaker 3: you have to execlude all non Arab Muslim from the picture.
Speaker 3: That leaves about four hundred million who can speak Arabic.
Speaker 3: Out of those, thirty two percent are under the age
Speaker 3: of fourteen, twenty three percent are illiterate, and some of
Speaker 3: them are not Muslim at all, and some are not religious.
Speaker 3: Leaves you with about forty to fifty millions who are
Speaker 3: capable of actually reading classic Arabic, not the engaged with it.
Speaker 3: And if you're going to be very generous and add
Speaker 3: ten million non arab scholars to them, you get about
Speaker 3: sixty millions who are capable. Logically, that's les than three
Speaker 3: percent the actual people who read it. With the affraction
Speaker 3: of that number, they made a study in a dub
Speaker 3: a few years ago. They found that the average Arabic
Speaker 3: speaking person read six minutes a year. So that means
Speaker 3: whatever religion they are new, they are not actually checking
Speaker 3: the sources. They are taking that from the gate keeper,
Speaker 3: from the scholars who are educated by a foreign government.
Speaker 3: To explain how far that goes. One of the very
Speaker 3: common misconceptions about Islam today is alcohol in Islam is
Speaker 3: forbidden and it always has been. You heard it before.
Speaker 3: That's not true. There's an Arabic in the book saying
Speaker 3: quite humorous statement, says yaz sure his opinion about music
Speaker 3: that of Hejazz, and in drinking is that of Iraq.
Speaker 3: Because there was a disagreement historically between the scholar of
Speaker 3: Hejazz Mecca and Medina and the scholar of Basra and
Speaker 3: Baghdad about is all alcohol forbidden or only that made
Speaker 3: out of grape juice. So the Iraqi were quite lenient
Speaker 3: and they will say not only what made of grape juice,
Speaker 3: the other you can drink, but don't get into untoxicated.
Speaker 3: So someone and the hejazi said music is forbidden. So
Speaker 3: someone who wants to have a drink and listen to music,
Speaker 3: he go and fed to a shopping between the scholars
Speaker 3: Muslim today, I think there is something called sharia that's unanimous, unified,
Speaker 3: and that said, no, you don't have that. What you
Speaker 3: have is a very specific school that was sold to
Speaker 3: non Arabic speaking Muslim by Sadi a Habitz, Pakistani Islamia
Speaker 3: and Egyptian Azar. That very specific school is what's sold
Speaker 3: in the West, and it almost cannot be corrected based
Speaker 3: on English translation because the people who sold you that
Speaker 3: version are the one who's translating the books in English.
Speaker 1: So I'm returning to your quotation, your quotation earlier about
Speaker 1: the Quran with regard to the crucifixion and Jesus. To me,
Speaker 1: it helps to illuminate something that we hear in our
Speaker 1: own society now you'll hear it said by Muslims and
Speaker 1: also by some people on the left, and Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: has repeated something of the same ilk, namely that Islam
Speaker 1: accepts Jesus as a prophet and is therefore closer to
Speaker 1: Christianity than Judaism, which rejects Jesus.
Speaker 2: I'd like you to comment on this.
Speaker 3: When a Muslim say that to me, and I hear
Speaker 3: it a lot, my reply always is, that's great, So
Speaker 3: you believe in the Son of God who came and
Speaker 3: died in across the cervies people, No, I don't. I said,
Speaker 3: you just said, I accept Jesus, but not that one.
Speaker 3: That's the only Jesus we have. We don't have another one.
Speaker 3: So you have to force again the intellectual junk food analogy.
Speaker 3: What actually is he saying I have the name Jesus.
Speaker 3: I know you were around during the First Gulf War
Speaker 3: and it was hugely covered by C and N and
Speaker 3: the person who's cover it was Bernard Show, an American.
Speaker 3: If I tell you about Bernard Show, and I mean
Speaker 3: the Irish author, am I talking about the same Bernard Show.
Speaker 3: So the fact that you stick the label Jesus, which
Speaker 3: is not in Islam. It's Aesa which came from Us
Speaker 3: the Greek, which huge problem for Islam. But different story.
Speaker 3: Did you stick that name on anything? It's actually doesn't
Speaker 3: solve problem Islam. From a Christian perspective, what islam believe
Speaker 3: about Jesus is an absolute form of plasphemy. Contrary to that,
Speaker 3: what Jews believe about Jesus is accepted by Christians because
Speaker 3: here's what here's the actual problem. When Jesus went on
Speaker 3: in Matthew twelve six to eight, and he was still
Speaker 3: talking to Jews, telling them here something greater than the
Speaker 3: Temple two verse later, so you know, the Son of
Speaker 3: Man is Lord of the Sabbath. For a Jew in
Speaker 3: the first century to hear those two sentences is a
Speaker 3: lot worse than a Black American hearing the N word
Speaker 3: from Tucker Carson psychologically speaking, because the Temple is God's
Speaker 3: dwelling place. That's how a Jews see it. To tell
Speaker 3: Jesus to say someone greater than the Temple, and the
Speaker 3: Sabbath is the Sabbath of God, that's his own day
Speaker 3: in the Ten Commandments. So when Jesus says I'm the
Speaker 3: Lord of the Sabbath, he's claiming property over God's own property.
Speaker 3: So for a Jew, he has one of two choices.
Speaker 3: Believe him and down in your knees call him Lord
Speaker 3: and savior, or you don't, and then you apply the law,
Speaker 3: which in Deuteronomy thirteen says, if someone came to you
Speaker 3: saying let's go after another God, you kill him. That's
Speaker 3: literally written the law. So the Jews who believed what
Speaker 3: Jesus was saying understood exactly what they're saying. He said,
Speaker 3: but we don't believe you. The fact that we don't
Speaker 3: believe you means they are pushed by law to kill him.
Speaker 3: When a Muslim come, he says, yeah, but he really
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that's that, you know, that's condescending to what
Speaker 3: Jesus said, dismissive to his claim. And he said, oh,
Speaker 3: when Jesus said I and a father are one, he's
Speaker 3: just like me and you are one. He's just being friendly.
Speaker 3: So cus Lewis made that point quite clearly. Say the
Speaker 3: idea of taking Jesus as the great moral teacher is
Speaker 3: made by someone who doesn't know what Jesus said or
Speaker 3: understand it. It's an idea that was never intended by Jesus,
Speaker 3: and he never meant to. It's a condescending nonsense. Basically
Speaker 3: what lewis saying, because Jesus claimed to be the creator everything,
Speaker 3: He claimed to be the lord of the Sabbath. He
Speaker 3: claimed to be greater than the Temple. And if you're
Speaker 3: going to take those words as he said them and
Speaker 3: says that's a great moral teacher, you don't understand what
Speaker 3: he's saying and wors and in Islam he actually comes
Speaker 3: second to Muhammad. You know, he's not even the greatest
Speaker 3: moral example. They conquered. Jesus stook him of his only title,
Speaker 3: all his claims, all his authority. When you have someone,
Speaker 3: let's assume the Islamic Jesus is a human being. All
Speaker 3: authority in heaven on earth has been given to me.
Speaker 3: That's a claim can be made by human all authority
Speaker 3: in heaven and earth. That means all authority God himself have.
Speaker 3: So when you read what Jesus said and he says, oh,
Speaker 3: this is a good prophet, you don't understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3: And so the Muslim claim itself it's either a mislabeling
Speaker 3: of someone we're not show or a complete misunderstanding to
Speaker 3: what they are reading, or a rejection to everything Christian have,
Speaker 3: which another headache for Islam. You know, oh, you don't
Speaker 3: have the true Bible. That's one of the biggest, huge
Speaker 3: problems for Islam. I don't know. If you have time,
Speaker 3: I can. I can tell you why if we have time,
Speaker 3: but I don't want to keep speaking.
Speaker 1: Just well to me, it's very fascinating because what you're
Speaker 1: really saying is that the Jews might reject Jesus based
Speaker 1: upon his claims, but they take the claim him seriously.
Speaker 1: They understood what Jesus is saying about himself. It's almost
Speaker 1: as if Islam refuses to even consider the possibility that
Speaker 1: what Jesus is saying may not be true, may or
Speaker 1: may not be true. In other words, Islam doesn't even
Speaker 1: reject Jesus. They invent a kind of new Jesus of
Speaker 1: their own, choosing yes.
Speaker 3: And if you read, if you read Matthew twenty two specifically,
Speaker 3: and Matthew twelve and Matthew twenty two and see what
Speaker 3: Jesus is doing as a first century Jew, you have
Speaker 3: no choice. Jesus made this binary very clear. You either
Speaker 3: believe in him or you kill him. Because if you
Speaker 3: read Matthew, you'll find out. That's the religious leader didn't
Speaker 3: want to kill him during the Sabbath, so why did they?
Speaker 3: Because he pushed that choice in Matthew twenty one. You
Speaker 3: know the claims he made is one of two things, matc. Thomas,
Speaker 3: my Lord and my Savior, or crucify him. There is
Speaker 3: no third choice, and that's based on the Bible itself.
Speaker 3: For Islam, now, Jesus doesn't mean what he says. I
Speaker 3: believe Islam is more insulting to Jesus than any rejection
Speaker 3: that could possibly be.
Speaker 2: Salam al Masri.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you so much, and thank
Speaker 3: you for having me.
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