1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey Ben, thanks for joining me. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: Thanks brother, good to be on. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Ben Peterson, founder of Engage Your Destiny, a ministry to 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: military personnel. You served a course in the military as 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: a chaplain's assistant. Ben. You're the author also of the 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: new book When Intelligent Isn't When Intelligence Isn't Human, Navigating 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: your Faith in the Age of AI. I love that title. Ben. 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: You're around young adults a lot. You have a heightened 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: awareness of what is going on among that age group 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: and how AI is impacting the next generation. I was 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: wanting to ask you as we start here. You argue 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: that AI is changing the way young people think. First off, 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: what do you mean, because many people don't even know 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: what that even means. They're not following it that closely. Secondly, 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: what led you to want to tackle this subject and 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: want to write this book? 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think what we have to come back to 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: is how the dopamine centers of young people have been 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: completely hacked. The way that social media works is built 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: like a slot machine that you would find in a casino. 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: It gives you varied responses and keeps you coming back 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: again and again, and short form videos hack the nervous system. 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: They hack the dopamine system and basically getting us to 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: continue to scroll. So every third to fifth video, they're 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: going to show you videos that you're not interested in 26 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: and that they know that you're not going to be 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: that into, creating that desire to keep swiping. And one 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: of the misunderstandings Michael is most people think that dopamine 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: is a pleasure chemical. Well, it's actually more of a pursuit. 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: It's a chemical that's telling the brain, hey, keep pursuing this. 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: And so what we're creating is these dopamine cycles where 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: young people are always pursuing and they're excited, but they're 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: never satisfied. They're never achieving anything, they're never building anything. 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: And that is why we have the highest levels of anxiety, depression, 35 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: and suicide in young people. Is this hopelessness is building 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: and being conditioned into the brain. 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: AI knows this. 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: This is all being design very specifically to keep young 39 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: people scrolling and scrolling for the purpose of making money. 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: And I really decided to write this book because I 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: believe that we're entering into the time of Matthew twenty 42 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: four where AI is the tool of the great deception, 43 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: and a book needed to be written about it, and 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: I have much to say about the creators and the 45 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: originators of AI and the world that they want to build. 46 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: Let's talk about AI specifically and how it's replacing friendships 47 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: and family members in terms of how people interact with others, 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: because you have concerned about that as well. Explain the 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: problems you've seen there among military personnel among young people 50 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: because it's so easy. Againness, I read stories like this 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: often and they're scary. It's almost science fiction. But it's 52 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: happening in our society to day, in our world where 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: people are becoming quote unquote friends and buddies with AI. 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: And what are the problems that for sins in terms 55 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: of Christians and in terms of just being a human. 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. What I want to come back to, Michael, is 57 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: that AI is a conduit for its creators. It is 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: executing upon the way that the algorithms have been set up. 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: And the founders of Open AI, of Anthropic, of Google, 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: Microsoft Meta, none of them follow Jesus. And if we 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: look at Matt Tew twelve, Jesus said, if you're not 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: for me, you're against me. And so the creators of 63 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: the most powerful technology in the history of the world 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: that is impacting every smartphone and every user in the 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: world is being designed and proliferated by men who don't 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: follow Christ and are the enemies of Christ. And I 67 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: think the biggest issue, Michael, is that we are more 68 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: tuned into technology than we are into our relationship with 69 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: God and with the Holy Spirit. That brings me back 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: to Matthew twenty four. Into this great deception. They are 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: talking about a euphoria that they can build. And the 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: last groups, the last leaders in our world that made 73 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: those promises of building a euphoria or utopia and the 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: suffering it would take to get there, were male Hitler 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: and Stalin, and over one hundred million people died because 76 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: of their vision of building utopias. And all of these 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: creators of artificial intelligence. They're talking about a utopia that 78 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: we can build where we don't need money, we don't 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: need the economies of scale, we don't need all of 80 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: these things, and that AI is going to solve all 81 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: the world's problems. And that's extremely dangerous, specifically when you're 82 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: dealing with men who follow evolutionary moral relativism, survival of 83 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: the fittest thinking, and they are not followers of Christ. 84 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: But this impacts This impacts young people though on just 85 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: a human level, because they're trying to replace what is 86 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: natural and what is scriptural with what is just tech. 87 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: It pretends to be something that it's not. Tell me 88 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: about your concerns about that. 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Barnet came out with a study about a 90 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: month ago where they said that forty percent of gen 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: z is considering AI in the same vein as a pastor. 92 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 2: And so these AI chatbots have become so emotionally intelligent. 93 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: They speak to you, they lift you up, they praise you, 94 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: and they have an ability because they have no selfish 95 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: ambition like humans have where we get distract it or 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: we focus on other things, to be just solely devoted 97 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: through the algorithms to you as a person. And young 98 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: people have been conditioned through technology to be texting, to 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: be snapping, to be doing all of these experiences via tech, 100 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: and to get emotional connection regulation on technology. And so 101 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: now that technology is talking back to them, it's making 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: them feel known, it's making them feel like they belong 103 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: while still they're in the dopamine loop and they're not 104 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: getting any real satisfaction, but they're getting entertainment and excitement. 105 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: So mental health is declining and engagement is only. 106 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: Increasing many people, including Christians. Of course, you use AI 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: tools for work in everyday life. Ben, where do you 108 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: draw the line between healthy use and unhealthy dependents or 109 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: do you think there's any healthy use at all? 110 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am not ANTIAI, and I'll tell you that 111 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: AI is not the issue here. It's the originators and 112 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: the creators of AI and the world that they are 113 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: trying to build. So, for example, Logo Software has a 114 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: native AI system that they use that's a wonderful tool 115 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: to help you study God's word. And where I draw 116 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: the line is that AI is a tool, it's not 117 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: a guide, and it's never a relationship. We are made 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: in the image of God and the image of a creator, 119 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: and therefore, since we are in Christ, we are creators 120 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: as well. And what I'm challenging people every day to do. 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: I was just speaking at a church yesterday with a 122 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: lot of creatives and people in film that are making 123 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: some of the most popular Christian films in America, is 124 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: to not export the God given nature and creativity into 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: AI to come up with ideas, use AI to organize 126 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: those ideas. But you be the originator. You be the 127 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 2: person that is dreaming with God and is being the 128 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: creator that God has called you to be, and don't 129 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: export that into AI and then don't be seeking it 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: out as a relationship. There is no soul, there's no spear, 131 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: but there is nothing on the other side of that 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: that is going to be able nurture and create a 133 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: real deep connection. 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Which is what we're all truly longing for. And if 135 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: you keep doing that, the mind is like a muscle. 136 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, if you keep doing that over time, you 137 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: are all of a sudden unable to do that which 138 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: you once could. And as a society, I don't know 139 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: if you agree with me here or not, but if 140 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: you do that roadly across the siding, then all of 141 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: a sudden you have done down your creative ability as 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: a society. Yes, you agree with that absolutely. 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: The mind, specifically in the prefrontal cortex, was designed to 144 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: create drive through boredom. So when we are bored, the 145 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: insular cortex becomes down regulated and then there's a drive 146 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: and a neurochemical response to then go and do something, 147 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: to go build something. And when that gets hacked through 148 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: the dopamine receptors in the brain, which is what they've 149 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: done with AI and social media and all these things. 150 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 2: It's driving us towards technology when actually God has designed 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 2: that for us to dream with him, to go, build, 152 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: to go, think, to go. Notice, And that's where we 153 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: want to see boredom as an opportunity to find our 154 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: place and use it for God's purposes, not just using 155 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: it for entertainment and false connection. 156 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen this with on a smaller scale, I guess, 157 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: with calculators than with GPS. You know, we once could 158 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: do math, with so many of us can no longer 159 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: do math because we rely on calculators that we know 160 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: we once could use to get a map, a physical 161 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: map you would pick up at a convenience store and 162 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: look at it, but so many people cannot do that anymore. 163 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: And of course how creativity is like it is so 164 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: much more important. I mean, that's like a basis part 165 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: of just being a human. And so I agree with 166 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: everything you're saying. Go back to what you said earlier 167 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: about this being a great deception. You see a prophetic 168 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: instance of this in scripture, where this is something that 169 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: scripture talks about and is warning about. 170 00:08:52,880 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and I diggle lot into this into my 171 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: book When Intelligence Isn't Human, specifically going into Genus eleven, 172 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Genesis eleven and the Tower of Babel and how God said, 173 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: if there's one unifying language, that nothing will be impossible 174 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: for them, and what our official intelligence is doing. When 175 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: you have these super supercomputers that are communicating with each 176 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: other from around the world, and these chatbots are able 177 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: to speak without a language, but they're just speaking directly 178 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: into the algorithm. It is the recreation of the Tower 179 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 2: of Babel, where nothing is impossible. And then when that 180 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: nothing is impossible is being created by men who don't 181 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: follow Christ, and they are the enemies of Christ, it 182 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: is only going to draw people into mass deception. There 183 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: was a video that came out about two months ago 184 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: of Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise doing a fight scene 185 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: on a roof. Looked as real as we were sitting 186 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: in a movie or brending a blockbuster or whatever, and 187 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: that was all completely generated with AA and the algorithms, 188 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: and the power of this technology is only going to increase. 189 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: They just said this week that the plans for SpaceX 190 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 2: to begin to launch AI into space, which is going 191 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: to solve that the cooling issue for so these computers 192 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: can get stronger. That is going to be moving ahead 193 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: in the next year, and so things are not slowing down. 194 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: And this is the hour man for the church to 195 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: wake up and to realize that there's never been this 196 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: powerful of the technology originated by such evil people that's 197 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: impacting every single human. It is the tool that is 198 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: going to be used for the great deception in Matthew 199 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: twenty four and how people are going to be mass 200 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: deceived based on what can be created. 201 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: At the same time, you believe we're heading into a 202 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: spiritual awakening right now. You believe something's going on. You know, 203 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,359 Speaker 1: God is moving. I don't know how you would absolutely 204 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: describe that. Tell what are your thoughts on that this is? 205 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: Because it seems to me that God is moving? What 206 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: do you think? 207 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I get deeper into this in my book 208 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: around the Fourth Turning and Pendulum Theory. Every eighty to 209 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: ninety years there is a major awakening or a move 210 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: of God that takes place in our world. And part 211 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: of that is that there's this phrase that says hard 212 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: times creates strong men. Strong men create good times, good 213 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. 214 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: And it's in those moments every eighty to ninety years 215 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: where you see a move of God. Eighty to ninety 216 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: years ago you had World War Two, where there was 217 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: the greatest missions movement in the history of the world 218 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: from World War Two veterans coming home and then going 219 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: to the mission field. Eighty to ninety years before that, 220 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: you have the Civil War, which was the emancipation of 221 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: over four million slaves being freed. Eighty to ninety years 222 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: before that, you have the Great Awakening with George Whitfield 223 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: and over fifty thousand, which would be equal to fifty 224 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: million people coming to Christ here in America. And so 225 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: I believe without question, Michael, that wherever you see the 226 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: greatest evil and the potential for the times of the 227 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: greatest evil, it is the time for the anointing and 228 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: the greatest good to be met with that. And so 229 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: as we enter into this time of great deception, the 230 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: church men and women of God who walk with the 231 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: Spirit of God can begin to get excited because it 232 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: means that the power of God is going to meet 233 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: that moment. 234 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: Let's now transition to the to the military's use of this, 235 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: because that's that's something you are particularly concerned at, and 236 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: not concerned to because you're have a background in military 237 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: and you have military ministry as well. The Pentagon has 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: mandated AI integration across military branches. What are your concerns? Secondly, 239 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: what does that even mean integration across the military branches, 240 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people might not know 241 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: the depths of that. I don't even know if we do. 242 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Tell me what you know about that and how they 243 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: how the military's got to use it? And secondly, what 244 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: are your concerns. 245 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it's a tool, not a guide, and never 246 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: a relationship. AI was used to help plan the raid 247 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: in Venezuela to get Maduro and that is a win, right. 248 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: We just use Claude to hack every system in NSA 249 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 2: and that was a controlled This is how powerful these 250 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: systems are. And I've spoken with power company CEOs throughout 251 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: America that have said they receive over a million hack 252 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: attacks from China on a weekly basis. And so we 253 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: have a very real adversary in China that's attacking us regularly. 254 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: And if we can be the leaders with these technologies, 255 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: we can be on the forefront and creating safeguards in 256 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: so that we can stay ahead of how China and 257 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: North Korea and Russia could use these in extremely devious ways. 258 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: So that's a win, that's a tool. AI is not 259 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: going away. This is happening. And so now let's get 260 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: into the actual people that are in the ranks. So 261 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: about seventy percent of our military is made up of 262 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: ages eighteen to twenty six, and so that's gen Z 263 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: making up the majority of our military. And gen Z 264 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: is the most faithless generation that our country has ever seen. 265 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: When it comes to having a biblical worldview, that's a 266 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: massive issue. Only three percent of gen Z fully believes 267 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: without question that God's word is the inherent word of God. 268 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: God breathes without question, and then there's a lot of 269 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: questioning in there in the other ninety seven percent. And 270 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 2: so when you have it in a rank, that's a 271 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 2: big deal. And then when it comes to the proliferation 272 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: of the smartphone, of artificial intelligence, of these technologies, you 273 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: have young people that are spending about six hours a 274 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: day on social media, they are working jobs, and then 275 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: now you're introducing AI into their day to day operations. 276 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: It's too much technology for the brain. And that is 277 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: my concern for our everyday active duty personnel. 278 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Is there a concern that this could be used as 279 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: counseling for personnel in the military. I mean, is that 280 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: something that might happen. 281 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: I think it's going to happen. It's already happening. It's 282 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 2: what they're doing. They're seeking it out. And I'm not 283 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: saying the military is going to mandate a discounseling. I'm 284 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: saying young people are turning to it for counseling. They're 285 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: turning to it for spiritual advice, emotional advice, and it's 286 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: not going to meet the need. The human body is 287 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: built off of attachment. Ages zero to six, we are 288 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: just one to I know that we are loved and 289 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: that we belong. That is at the core of every 290 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: human being. And then if we don't get those needs 291 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: met from age zero to six, we spend the rest 292 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: of our life seeking for anything that can fill that 293 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: part of the soul so that we can feel loved 294 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: and that we belong. And so when you have a 295 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: group of young people that have had those issues from 296 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: zero six and now they're turning into technology, they're never 297 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: going to get the attachment that they truly are longing for. 298 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: And that's where we need to be mindful for it 299 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: as we enter into this new age of AI, which 300 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: is all in my book. 301 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: I think for those who might be questioning what you're 302 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: saying here, the anxiety rates and depression rates have skyrocketed 303 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: since the invention of social media and smart bones. And 304 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: there's a reason I'm believe that. Yeah. 305 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: So, from twenty ten to twenty fifteen was the advancement smartphone. 306 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,119 Speaker 2: In twenty twelve was the release of the of the selfie, 307 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: and in that time, youth suicide increased by two hundred 308 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: and eighty percent. 309 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a reason I believe that all of 310 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: a sudden, a new invention is going to make it 311 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: even better, it's going to make it worse. I think 312 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, and that's what I think you're 313 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: right about that. Finally, let's close by discussing your goal 314 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: with this book. I believe you want the guests get 315 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: this in the hands of military personnel across the globe. 316 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: Tell me why, because our military is the defenders of 317 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: freedom and the greatest country in the world. And the 318 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: evidence only shows that as we did the Maduro raid, 319 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: they were flat out like their technology was Russian and 320 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: Chinese technology and we were able to supersede it without question. 321 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: And right now I think China is kicking themselves that 322 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: they didn't attack and take Taiwan when Biden was in office, 323 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: because now our military has never been stronger. And so 324 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: when you have a military that is this powerful, when 325 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: you have a navy that is seven times more powerful 326 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: than all the other navies in the world combined, and 327 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: you have the special operations capabilities that has done what 328 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: we've done in the last few months, in the last 329 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: couple of years, it's pretty incredible. And with great power 330 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: comes great responsibility, and AI is becoming at the forefront 331 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: of how our warfighters are doing life and doing their missions. 332 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 2: And so that's why I want everyone to pre order 333 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: a copy of this book, because every copy we get 334 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: and that we sell, the money doesn't go in my pocket, 335 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: It goes right back into the ministry and we're able 336 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: to put a copy into the hands of a soldier, sailor, airmen, 337 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: or a marine. Our ministry has led over eight thousand sailors, airmen, 338 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: marines and soldiers to christ in the last three years. 339 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: God's doing an incredible work in the military. Through Engage 340 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: Your Destiny and through this book and so by supporting it, 341 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: you're supporting that great work the Defenders of Freedom. 342 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: And just to reiterate here, this is a this is 343 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: a book that can be used for a military personnel. 344 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: They would enjoy it and probably get a lot out 345 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: of it. But this is a general interest book. This 346 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: is for everybody, including the Body of Christ. Correct absolutely, yeah, yeah. 347 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: And the website, I believe is when intelligence is at 348 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: human dot com and people can find out that more 349 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: information on Amazon, where they can of course order it. 350 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: Then great talking to you. Thanks so much, Thanks Michael. 351 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: If you enjoy today's interview, please make sure to subscribe 352 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: and share the episode with a friend. A big thanks 353 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to the team at Life Audio for their partnership with 354 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: us on the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio dot 355 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: com you will find dozens of other faith centered podcasts 356 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: in their network. 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