1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: As is often said, there are men who make the times, 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: and then there are times who make the man. The 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: greatest men of history are those who fill not one, 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: but both of those two criteria. The men who shape 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the times due to their vision, their leadership, their statesmanship. 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: And then there are men who the times come to 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: them and they rise and meet the moment. Over the 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: course of this past weekend, Donald Trump yet again solidified 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: himself as one of the great men of history, of 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: American history. Indeed, we might say, in all of modern 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Western history. It is surreal to speak to you here 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: on Monday, March second, and you say that the Ayatola 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: only Kameni was the supreme leader of Iran. It is 15 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: a truly surreal sensation for my entire adult lifetime of 16 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: following geopolitics, my entire lifetime of following foreign affairs, all 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: these various names that have been synonymous with the Irani regime, 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: first and foremost Kamene, who ruled in brutal tyrannical, theocratic, 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: zealous Islamu's fashion for thirty seven years. Heck, I'm thirty 20 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: seven years old, dude, was added for essentially as long 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: as I've been alive, my entire adult lifetime. Names like Khameni, 22 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: names like Mahal Akmadinijad, the former president of Iran. These 23 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: names that were synonymous with the world's most evil regime, 24 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: the world's number one state sponsor jihad, They're gone. They're 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: done because in an astonishing joint operation between the United 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: States and Israel, the United States Military Central Commands Pete 27 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: Hexeth our Secretary of War, the US referring to this 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: is Operation Epic Fury. The Israeli is referring to they 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: are part of the operation as Roaring Lion, This joint 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: by national operation to decapitate the world's number one state 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: sponsor of terrorism within hours, the US and Israel achieving 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: air superiority bordering on complete air domination over the skies 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: of Iran control as well over the waters off the 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: coast of Iran. At least nine to ten potentially even 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: more than that. Iranian and naval vessels have been sunk. 36 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Countless Iranian blissed missile deposts have been taken out. The 37 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: entirety of Iran's i er GC operational military hierarchy has 38 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: been taken out or at least wounded. The United States 39 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: has lived up to its word. Donald J. Trump has 40 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: lived up to his word. In case there were any 41 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: lingering doubts whatsoever as to whether or not Donald Trump 42 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: is a man who means what he says, and there 43 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: should not have been any doubts. The guy who took 44 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: out Kasaim Ssulamani in twenty twenty, Abu bakaral Baghdadi, the 45 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: former head of ISIS, the B two bombing run on 46 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: the Iran nuclear sites last year, the Nicholas Mundur operation 47 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: of Venezuela. This is a man who means what he says, 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: and there can no longer be any doubts about this whatsoever. 49 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and just play a clip one of 50 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump talking about how the intolerable threat of Iran 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: is no more. 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 2: We're undertaking this massive operation not merely to ensure security 53 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: for our own time and place, but for our children 54 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: and their children, just as our ancestors have done for 55 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 2: us many, many years ago. This is the duty and 56 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: the burden of a free people. These actions are right, 57 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: and they are necessary to ensure that Americans will never 58 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: have to face a radical, bloodthirsty terrorist regime armed with 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: nuclear weapons and lots of threats. For almost fifty years, 60 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: these wicked extremists have been attacking the United States while 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: anting the slogan death to America or death to Israel 62 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: or both. They are the world's number one state sponsor 63 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: of terror. We are the world's greatest and most powerful nations, 64 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: so we can do something about what they do. These 65 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: intolerable threats will not continue any longer. 66 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, speaking there on Sunday in characteristically blunt fashion, 67 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks out there who feel 68 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: betrayed today, a lot of folks. Frankly, maybe not ultimately. 69 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to give them more credit than they 70 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: perhaps they deserve. But you do have some folks who say, 71 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: this is not what I voted for. Donald Trump said, 72 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: America first, and how is this America first? They say, 73 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is starting another forever war in the Middle East. 74 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: On the contrary, Donald Trump is now seeking to end 75 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: the longest, most calamitous, and most murderous forever war that 76 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: the Middle East ever brought upon the United States. And 77 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: here we must step back and think a little bit 78 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: and look a little bit at the history. In nineteen 79 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: seventy nine, the Islan Revolution, centered around Kameny's predecessor, Kollmeni, 80 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: overthrew the Shah of Iran. Prior to that, Iran had 81 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: been a fairly westernized, secularized, pro Western society. The Islon 82 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: Revolution totally changed that. They brought this radical, apocalyptic Schiite 83 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: ideology indeed Sheite eschatology, and brought it to a previously 84 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: Western oriented people, a people that were more likely to 85 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: be wearing blue jeans and a white T shirt rather 86 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: than a nicab or a burka. The regime's very first 87 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: act upon overthrowing the Shah was to engage in a 88 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: four hundred and forty four day hostage crisis at the 89 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: US Embassy in Tehran, a hostage crisis that ended the 90 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter presidency and ended minutes after Ronald Reagan was 91 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: sworn in in January of nineteen eighty one. Just two 92 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: years after that, Iran directed and Iran financially sponsored Hesbola, 93 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: murdering two hundred and forty one military service members at 94 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: the US Marine Barracks in Beyru Lebanon. Iran sponsored Hesbola 95 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: similarly murdering sixty to seventy people at the US Embassy 96 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: in Beirut that same year. Meanwhile, the regime for decades 97 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: continued to build up and clan DestinE fashion, continually hiding 98 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: from international inspectors their nuclear program for one use in 99 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: one use only to try to destroy and murder what 100 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: they refer to in regime speak as the Little Sadan 101 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: of Israel and the Big Satan of the United States. 102 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: Going into two thousands. During the Iraq War during the 103 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Bush administration, kasse Sumani, the former head of the islam 104 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: provlutionary guards for US cuts Force, oversaw the murder of 105 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: one hundreds and hundreds of American servicemen on the roads 106 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: of Iraq, Fallujah, Alambar Province, all these provinces with roadside 107 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: IEDs improvised exploding devices. Solmani was taken out by Trump 108 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty he's no longer with us. In twenty eleven, 109 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: Iron infamously attempted to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the 110 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: United States. That plot was foiled, perhaps most of the point, 111 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump himself was put in the crosshairs of Iran. 112 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: In November November eighth, twenty twenty four to a few 113 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: days after the election that saw Trump reelected. The DOJ 114 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: pressed charges and announce a murder for higher scheme against 115 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: two islam revolutionary gores, core assets and local operatives who 116 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: were literally paid by the Islambac Republic to attempt to 117 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: assassinate Donald Trump. They have similar attempted to assassinate people 118 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: like John Bolton and Mike POMPEII. They tried to assassinate 119 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: various other regime dissidents here on American soil. They engaged 120 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: an murder for higher plot targeting Messige Alinejad, an anti 121 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: hijab women's rights activist. I had a pleasure in the 122 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: privilege speaking the same conferences are actually in Washington, d C. 123 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: Last May, this regime overall, as CENTCOM, the US Central Command, 124 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: tweeted out on Sunday, has the blood of at least 125 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: a thousand, if not more than that Americans. On its hand, 126 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: going back for decades and decades and decades, it is 127 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: the number one sponsor of radical jihad in the region. 128 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: They fund the houthies, they fund has Bahamas. All the 129 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: worst actors come out of Iran, and they mean what 130 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: they say when they chance death to Israel and they 131 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: chant death to America. They really, really, really mean it, 132 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: and it is no small irony. As Petexeth said, Actually, 133 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: or today at Prescommon's morning the Pentagon, how the man 134 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: who led these chants has now been hoisted on his own, Patar, 135 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and hear clip one from petext this morning. 136 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: Turns out the regime who chanted death to America and 137 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: death to Israel was gifted death from America and death 138 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: from Israel. This is not a so called regime change war, 139 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: but the regime sure did change, and the world is 140 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: better off for it. 141 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Iran, as a wounded animal does when it is fighting 142 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: for its last gasps of air, has lashed out. They 143 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: have fired not just at Israel, which has now seen 144 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of missiles and drones. They've lastly added 145 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: all sorts of Arab countries, essentially the entire GCC, the 146 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Golf Cooperation Council. They have fired out at Qatar, the UAE, Bahrain, 147 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon. Who haven't they fired at yet? Exactly? 148 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: It's extraordinary stuff. Iran has brought essentially the entire Middle 149 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: East against them. Ironically, as Western European powers like France 150 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: and UK continue to act in shall we say merely 151 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: mouthed fashion funny, how that works. This is going to 152 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: be these story, folks. This is not ending anytime soon. 153 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: This story is going to continue. Don Trump saying that 154 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: this could be going on for weeks, but the regime 155 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: will to the extent that it continues, it will never 156 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: be the exact same. The million dollar question, which we 157 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: will continue to explore with a series of guests for 158 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: you this week, next week, for the weeks to come, 159 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: as long as this campaign goes on. A million dollar 160 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: question is what is going to be the future of 161 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: Aran for its be leaguered, besieged people. What is going 162 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: to be the future of the Middle East? More generally, 163 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: is the regime actually going to go? Will there'll be 164 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: a full on uprising from the opposition from those who 165 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: have been rolling in the streets, who have been bravely 166 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: taking the streets after the Islamists themselves murdered tens of 167 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: thousands of their fellow citizens in the uprisings just towards 168 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: the end of December into January last month. But for now, 169 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: just one closing thought before we take a break, and 170 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: then we'll continue this conversation on the other side. And 171 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: the final thought is this. There are so many out 172 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: there right now who continue to throw shade at to 173 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: undermine the US is a relationship, say that it is 174 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: a force for negativity, it's a force for bad in 175 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: the world. That frankly is the furthest thing from the case. 176 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: This has been one of the most astonishing bi national 177 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: military campaigns of my lifetime. Two countries that are essentially 178 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: working so seamlessly as to be one joint military Pete 179 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Hegseth lauding the Israelis, saying that they've been exceptional partners 180 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: in this. It is a brilliant demonstration of what the 181 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: United States gets in real terms out of this relationship. 182 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: And it is an astonishing rebuke to all of those 183 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: from the SJP left to the Tucker Carlson Candice Owen's 184 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote right, is an astonishing rebuke to those who 185 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: continue to say that this alliance undermines American interests rather 186 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: than advancing them. So we are continuing to unpack the 187 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: historic events. He has truly historic events over the past 188 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: few days. When it comes to the end of the 189 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: reign of terror of the Supreme Leader the Iatola Ali Khameeni, 190 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: the systemic decapitation of much of the Irani regime's top 191 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: military and security brass, indeed many of their top nuclear 192 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: sciences as well. Lisa Taftari, the foreign policy analysts, will 193 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: join us here later on the show as well to 194 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: unpact what she sees, especially being a member of the 195 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: Iranian diaspora out in Los Angeles, home to a big 196 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: Ruanian diaspora. For now, part of the big domestic conversation 197 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: again is this notion as whether Donald Trump is starting 198 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: a new forever war, and that's not how we see it. 199 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: I've explained my position already here. We view it as 200 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: the Irani regime has actually been in a state of 201 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: war with the United States for nearly fifty years now. 202 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: We in America were the great superpower. We don't really 203 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: think that we're in a state of war with Iran, 204 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: but the reality is that we essentially are, or have 205 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: been definitely are now exposed, whether we want to admit 206 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: it or not. I've told this story on the show before, 207 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: but it's one of my favorite anecdotes that I've personal 208 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: experienced over the past a few years. I think's probably 209 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: time to tell this story again. So I was speaking 210 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: about two years ago in the summer twenty twenty four 211 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. I was speaking at a conference 212 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: for Yeaff Young America's Foundation, and the topic of my talk, 213 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: because I was working on a book of the same 214 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: theme at this time, was on the topic of US 215 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: Israel relations. And I was giving a talk at this 216 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: conference and I noticed someone standing in the back, his 217 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: back was against the wall on the way back of 218 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: the lecture hall, who was just vigorously nodding along to 219 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 1: my remarks. And he was dressed a little funny. He 220 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: kind of dressed like a bit of a foreigner, and 221 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: I made a mental note, this is kind of interesting, 222 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: and sure enough, he approaches me after the talk, introduced himself. 223 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: I forgot his name, unfortunately, but this guy was long 224 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: story short, born and raised in Tehran. He lived there 225 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: until his family fled well into his teenage years. But 226 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: his native tongue was Farcia, Persian, etc. And what he 227 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: told me has stuck with me to this very day, 228 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: which is that he said, from kindergarten or pre school 229 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: whatever through high school there in the regime schools, and 230 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: they're basically all regime schools there in Iran, instead of 231 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: the American version of the pledge of allegiances, a pledge 232 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: of allegiance to the flag of the United America. Instead 233 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: of that, they have their students all get up in 234 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: school and say, I solemnly vow to do all that 235 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: I can to destroy the little Satan of Israel and 236 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: the big Satan of the United States of America. I mean, 237 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: that is some serious brainwashing. So again for those folks 238 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: who say that, how is this America first? How is 239 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: it not America first to systemically seek to decapitate the 240 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: ballistic missile programs and the burgeoning intercontinental ballistic missile programs, 241 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: as Trump warned in a State of Union dress last week. 242 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: How is it not America first to send this nuclear 243 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: program going back to the asheb of history to the 244 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: gutter whence it came? How is it not America first 245 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: to take out these arch terrorists who've been murdering Americans 246 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: at least it's the Bay Ruth Barracks, arguably as far 247 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: back really as the embassy hostage crisis in nineteen seventy 248 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: nine itself. What is the America first case against finally 249 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: meeting the moment as great men of history do and 250 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: doing as Donald Trump and frankly also Benjamintiniahu. The US 251 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: and Israel again working really hand in glove in this operation, 252 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: as those two men have done over the past few years. 253 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: The talking point that we're starting to hear from a 254 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: lot of folks is is this just Iraq all over again? 255 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: For sure? Donald Trump has had extremely harsh words when 256 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: it comes to the Iraq boondoggle. Guests who's also had 257 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: very harsh words for that yours truly, as has pretty 258 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: much every sober conservative, very sober American for that matter, 259 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: over the past ten to fifteen years, for the very 260 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: simple reason that the Iraq boondoggle did not go well. 261 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: The Iraq adventurism overseas was predicated upon what George B. 262 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: Bush came to finalize in his January two thousand and 263 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: five second inaugural address as the so called Freedom Agenda. 264 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: This is the that all the people throughout the worlds 265 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: subscribe to, this unilateral, idiosyncratic notion of Western liberty, of 266 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: Lockey and Jeffersonian liberalism. It's the duty of America to 267 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: bring it to them. Well, Dald Trump doesn't buy that, 268 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: and I don't buy that either. That's garbage. That's not 269 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: how the world works. There are a lot of people 270 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: around the world who don't aspire to enlightenment liberalism. They 271 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: like their jackboot they like their tyranny, they like their 272 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: Sharia supremacism. But you know, it's definitely in the America 273 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: first interest. What's in the American national interest to do that, 274 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: to defend the American national interest. And that is how 275 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: the administration has been defending this thing since it started. 276 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: General Raisin Kane, the Cheerman of Joint Jesus Staff, along 277 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: with Secretary Hegseth. That is how the Pentagon this morning 278 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: they were defending this time and time again. For instance, 279 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and play clip three hef from p 280 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Techsath that he has said here explaining how this is 281 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: not a rock. This is not a rock. To Boino, 282 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: this is not endless. Go ahead and listen to Pete Hexath. 283 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: We hope the Iranian people take advantage of this incredible opportunity. 284 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 3: President Trump has been clear, now is your time to 285 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: Iranian security forces. Choose wisely. President Trump has also been 286 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: clear about your fate in either direction to the media 287 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: outlets and political left screaming endless wars. Stop, this is 288 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: not a rack. This is not endless. I was there 289 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: for both. Our generation knows better, and so does this president. 290 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: He called the last twenty years of nation building wars dumb, 291 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 3: and he's right, this is the opposite, and. 292 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: Just do further underscore this points. Hexath actually spoke directly 293 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: on what I've been thinking for the past few days 294 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: since operating Storry, which is this is not starting a 295 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: forever war. It is ending the forever war. Haig Sat 296 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: speaking perfectly on that exact one as well. Let's go 297 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: ahead and play clip four from p TEXSAT this morning. 298 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 3: Two days ago, under the direction and direct orders of 299 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 3: President Donald J. Trump, the Department of War launched Operation 300 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 3: Epic Fury, the most lethal, most complex, and most precise 301 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: aerial operation in history. For forty seven long years, the 302 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 3: expansionist and Islamist regime in Tehran has waged a savage, 303 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: one sided war against America. They didn't always declare it openly, 304 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 3: except for their constant chance of death to America. They 305 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 3: did it through the blood of our people. Car bombs 306 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: in Beirut, rocket attacks on our ships, murders at our 307 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: embassy's roadside, bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, funded and armed 308 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: by Irani and the Kud's force and IRGC killers. My 309 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 3: generation of veterans carried the names of brothers who never 310 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: came home, brothers butchered by Iranian backed roadside bombs and 311 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: well armed militias, thousands of our own. We didn't start 312 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: this war, but under President Trump, we are finishing it. 313 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: Their war on Americans has become our retribution against their 314 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: Ayahtola and his death cult. 315 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: And that's exactly right. This is the thing to remember. 316 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: This is gonna heat up. Okay, this story is not 317 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: going away. Trump, Hegsath. They're also and this could take weeks. 318 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: Trump actually and heg Seth in a bit of a switch. Actually, 319 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: they're not saying that they're not going to take boots 320 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: off the ground as an option. I find it very 321 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: very hard to believe, frankly, that we're going to get 322 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: to that point. I have pretty mixed thoughts of that myself, 323 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: to be very canned with you. But they're at least 324 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: not taking off the table, and if nothing else made, 325 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: its a tactical play to just try to convince the 326 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: Iranians as to how serious you are. Frankly, I think 327 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: that this can be just accomplished, though by overwhelming air 328 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: force and air superiority. What is the goal here? What 329 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: is the goal? The goal is the decapitation of the regime, 330 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: and not necessarily seeking to impose, in hubristic Western imperial fashion, 331 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: a successor. That's not the goal. The goal here is 332 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: to give the running people a chance to then take 333 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: destiny into their own hands. Donald Trump and Bibi Natiya, 334 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: who have already done tremendous, tremendous work just over the 335 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: past seventy two hours, to give or take to change 336 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: the course of history in the Middle East and by extension, 337 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,959 Speaker 1: the whole world. At some point it does become up 338 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: to the American people, or the running people, that is, 339 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: to take matters into their own hands. For the American people, though, 340 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: come back to the home front here, it is our 341 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: job to support them. I've seen all of these protests 342 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: and counter protests, all these jubilations out of Los Angeles, 343 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: the Iranian Duraspara in New York City. They're all happy. 344 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: You know who's not happy? Leftists? This group called the 345 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: People's Forum, this Chinese Communist Party sponsored organization. They were 346 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: on the streets immediately to protest the major operation. They 347 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: were out within minutes hours to protest the commenty assassination. 348 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Now there is a fifth column in this country, a 349 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: horrific subversive fifth column between them, the unassimilated Muslim immigrants. 350 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: I just saw this morning. There's like a mosque in Manassas, Virginia, 351 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: outside DC talking about our great martyr Ali Comedy. He's 352 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: a hero, he died a martyr. This is sick, sick stuff. 353 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: What we do about this fifth column this country is 354 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: a conversation for the day, But for now, it is 355 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: our job, as singing people to reject that, to reject 356 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: the idiocy from the so called woke right, their subversive 357 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: fifth column allies, and to stand shoulder shoulder with the 358 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: run of people as they try to take matters into 359 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: their own hands. So join us now to unpack some 360 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: of what we've been discussing for the first half the 361 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: show today, the remarkable developments over in the Middle East. 362 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: We're gonna bring on now Lisa Daftari, who is a 363 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: foreign policy analyst and also the founder of the Foreign Desk, 364 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: really astute observer on all things Middle East related, perhaps 365 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: especially Iran related. So Lisa, we really appreciate you joining 366 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: the Josh Hammerschel. I'm sure it has been an absolute 367 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: whirlind for you these past few historic days. I guess 368 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: first let's actually begin there before getting your assessment desk 369 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: to the geopolitics over there. I kind of would love 370 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: to start more in the personal. You are a Persian 371 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: Iranian by background. You live in Los Angeles where there's 372 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: a very large Iranian diaspora community. Tell us a little 373 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: bit about your personal experience with the past few days. 374 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: I've seen some of these videos of the Persian community 375 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: there and Beverly Hill is kind of just a rallying, 376 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: chanting in the streets there. What has it been like, frankly, 377 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: on the ground there out in LA for the past 378 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: few des. 379 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 4: It's absolute jubilation. I mean, people are They're just continuing 380 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 4: to blast music and dance and sing. No one can 381 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: believe it, myself included, somebody who has really observed this 382 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: up close for almost two decass really following the plight 383 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: of the Iranian people with regards to everything from geopolitics, 384 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 4: as you said, to their day to day fight for 385 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 4: human rights, basic rights, basic freedoms, and of course escalating 386 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: with the last maybe fifteen years or so of escalations 387 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: in those protests demanding human rights, they really basic basic 388 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 4: rights where they have raped to women and mutilated children 389 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 4: and shoot people right in the eyes. And the wholesale 390 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 4: mass murdering with military grade weapons of tens of thousands 391 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: of people. We now estimate that that is close to 392 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 4: forty thousand peaceful protesters is really something to now see 393 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: this really go in this direction where they actually may 394 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 4: obtain the freedom that they've been fighting for. 395 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: Lise Daftari's posey animals again follow her on x at 396 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: Lisa Doptari and use is something right there that I've 397 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: heard from a lot of people as well, which is 398 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: that a lot of folks frankly never thought that they 399 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: would actually live to see this day. There's regime has 400 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: been in power for forty seven years. That's a long time, 401 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: and it's a horrifically unpopular regime. Obviously around the world. 402 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: Most of the running people that to the polling that 403 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: I've seen, Lisa, polling is a little difficult in Arama, 404 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: the most point that I've seen shows that the regime 405 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: is very unpopular. There are, however, definitely some parts of 406 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: Iran that are regime loyalists, which makes sense. Again, it's 407 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: been forty seven years, right, so most of the regime 408 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: are definitely most of the Irani people, excuse me, are definitely 409 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: opposed to this horrific, most murderous theocratic islmus of regimes there. 410 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: But thinking about how this starts to play out over 411 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: the next few weeks, what do you think is going 412 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: to happen? For lack of a better question, now it's 413 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: a million dollar question that we're all wondering. I have 414 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: my own thoughts there, but I would very much appreciate 415 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: your perspective. 416 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 4: Sure, And I think just to add a drop more 417 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: just qualitative characterization to what you said, the fact that 418 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: the Irani people have been out on the streets and 419 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: add to that that more than two thirds of the 420 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: population are under the age of forty seven, meaning that 421 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 4: they only know this form of government. Then they're on 422 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 4: the streets carrying the picture of Razapalavi and his father, 423 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: the late Shah of Iran, playing music from the seventies 424 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 4: and really reminiscing and carrying a faux nostalgia for something 425 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 4: they never lived through, but reminiscing about their parents and grandparents' 426 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 4: time in Iran in the seventies and really looking at 427 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 4: the last forty seven years as a blip in the 428 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 4: long timeline of civilization and a history that they're very, 429 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: very proud of, and that is exactly why they are fighting. 430 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 4: With regards to what happens next. Right now, I urge 431 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 4: everyone to focus only on carrying out this military campaign 432 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 4: to the point where we will significantly degrade the Iran regime. 433 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 4: We have to defang them before we realize or calculate 434 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: what can actually happen next now the IDF, and just 435 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 4: one small point is that the Israeli government has really 436 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: pivoted to using the term regime change, while the White 437 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: House is using more verbiage that is closer to regime collapse. 438 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 4: And Donald Trump came out and said, we have now 439 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 4: passed the baton to the Iranian people, meaning the next chapter, 440 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 4: after the military degradation, will be up to the Iranian 441 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 4: people to decide their future. 442 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: Well said, and I totally agree with that. By the way, 443 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: that qu the focus here on the near term. I 444 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: just can't help but think, of course, try to project 445 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: a few steps ahead. But what does that look like 446 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: in more real terms? Do you think? I mean, a 447 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: lot of the IRGC has already been eliminated at this point, 448 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: I mean the iotol Commany's successor has already been eliminated. 449 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of like whack a mole at this point 450 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: there and go ahead, sorry, no, no, no. 451 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 4: The only I want to set this up for people 452 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 4: to understand why this has been such a complex challenge, 453 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 4: both for the run people to topple their government and 454 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: for the United States to basically wait, I don't want 455 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 4: to say dragraphy, that's not the right term, but really 456 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 4: make sure that we have the right intelligence, the right 457 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 4: military setup, send all of our assets to the region, 458 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 4: and then begin this campaign. Because the Iran equation is 459 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 4: not Venezuela. The removal of Maduro is not equal to 460 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: the removal of Kamene, and the removal of Kromene does 461 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 4: not equate regime change. Not yet. It is a big 462 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 4: symbolic win for the Iranian people because his face, his 463 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 4: name is equivalent to all of the death sentences and 464 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 4: all of the times that they came to the nuclear 465 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 4: table and said no. Every single decision gets passed through him, 466 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 4: and he has been at the helm since nineteen eighty nine. 467 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 4: But at this point, we have to understand that for 468 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 4: forty seven years they have fortified themselves both vertically and horizontally. 469 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 4: So yes, he was the supreme leader. He was at 470 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 4: the top. Forty plus leaders have been taken out in 471 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 4: the last couple of days of this campaign. But you're 472 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 4: looking at thousands of thousands of operatives, whether it's the IRGC, 473 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: the besiege, different arms of the regime, and we're not 474 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 4: even going to get into the practice because they have 475 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 4: already been significantly diminished since October seventh by Israel and 476 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 4: the United States. So again, coming back internally, the reason 477 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: why this has been is going to continue to be 478 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 4: such a challenge is because it's going to take a 479 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: long time to get rid of that middle part of 480 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 4: the regime. Now, Donald Trump gave them an option. You 481 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 4: can defect, put down your weapons, walk away. And what 482 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: does that mean? Who are they defecting too? Will they 483 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 4: just take off their uniforms and walk into civil society? 484 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: Do we even want them to do that? There are 485 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 4: a lot of questions here, But the main challenge I 486 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: do want to express here is that there are a 487 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: lot of operatives and it will take time to work 488 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 4: through that. Now, the other thing that we've been able 489 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: to ash here is that you either defect, you surrender. 490 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: Or we will get you. 491 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 4: And that is the tone that that Donald Trump is 492 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: trying to set here and trying to instill fear in 493 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 4: the thousands and thousands of operatives that do work for 494 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 4: the regime. 495 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: And that's far. He's done that very successfully thus far. 496 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: Of course, it's work in progress, but I think I 497 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 1: think he's handled this extremely well so far. To put 498 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: a mile with at least Aftari's a foreign policy analyst. 499 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: She's the founder and editor in chief of the Foreign 500 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: Desk check it out at Foreign desknews dot com. At 501 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: least just about a minute and a half or so 502 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: left here, I want to get your thoughts on the 503 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: exile at Crown Prince rasa Plavi. As you said, for 504 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: the majority of Varuntians under the age of forty seven, 505 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: I mean they have no familiarity with the statis quo ante. Again, 506 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: many of them are chanting his name in the streets. 507 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: Is he the unifying figure for your running opposition to 508 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: rally around and what do you think that looks like 509 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: in practice? 510 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he has proven himself to be so. So he 511 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 4: does live in exile. He lives in the outskirts of Washington, 512 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 4: d c But for years he has worked on an 513 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 4: actual plan for the day after, and that has been 514 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: something that he's known as has been coming. Look, he is, 515 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: you know, his only allegiances to the Iranian people. His 516 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: only goal is to be a transitional figure and then 517 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 4: establish fair and free elections of the Iranian people can 518 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 4: choose their destiny. He has said this over and over again. 519 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 4: His only goal again, to establish a nation that is 520 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 4: secular and democratic. All the other details will be up 521 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 4: to the Iranian people to choose their way. He's not 522 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 4: looking for a paragraph, he's not looking to put himself 523 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 4: in the center of all of this. He says, I 524 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 4: want the Iranian people to choose. He actually looks at 525 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 4: his opponents and says, let me create a system in 526 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: which you can come one day and vote against me. 527 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 4: So I think that that goes a long way. But really, 528 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 4: the fact that him and his team has put together 529 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 4: a plan, an actual plan, the fact that he understands 530 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 4: Western politics, the fact that his father was the Shaw 531 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 4: of Iran. And again, like you said, these young people 532 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 4: coming out onto the streets, you know they may you 533 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 4: know here in the West, we hear such stories about 534 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 4: the time of the shown the reason he was toppled 535 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: was for X, Y and Z because there was no freedom. 536 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 4: But people are not stupid. The Iranian people look at 537 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: their moms that went to college and the way that 538 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 4: they were dressed and the freedoms that they had, and 539 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 4: the country went significantly backwards in forty seven years. So 540 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 4: they're trying to get the country back that their parents lost. 541 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 4: And that is something that I hear over and over again. 542 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 4: These are dinner table conversations and generational conversations for the 543 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: Irani and so Raza palavia'v interviewed him many times, interviewed 544 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 4: his wife, his daughter more most recently, and they are 545 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 4: you know, they are people who understand the democratic way. 546 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: This is the way that they have lived. 547 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Well from your lips of guys here as Lisa, unfortunately 548 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: we're at a time, but we really do wish the 549 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: crown prinds nothing but this. We wish you nothing in 550 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: best as well, continue your jubilations out there in Los Angeles, 551 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: Lisa Daftari. Follow her on ex at lisadov Tari, founder 552 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: and editor in chief of Foreign Desknews dot com. We 553 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: really appreciate joining Lisa, Take care and all the best 554 00:31:52,960 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: to you my pleasure, Thank you so much more to 555 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: unpack here. This is one of the most multifascinated stories 556 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: of my lifetime. I have a feeling, a stinky spicion 557 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: that we're going to be coming back to this story 558 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: time and again here over the next few weeks, so 559 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: make sure not to go anywhere other than right here 560 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: on the Josh Hammer Show. We're going to keep you 561 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: updated the best we can there with all of your 562 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: breaking analysis on what happens as this most dynamic and 563 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: shifting and historic moments continues to unfold in real time 564 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: before us. One of the elements of this that I 565 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: think is not getting the attention it deserves is not 566 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: just the US versus Iron or the Israel vers Ron aspects, 567 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: but this notion of the Arab countries as well. We 568 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: spoke of the show briefly how in recent months the Saudis, 569 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, being the most symbolic and importance really of 570 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: all the Arab countries, the home of the of the 571 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: holy sites in Mecca, Medina, they were starting to trend 572 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: in the wrong direction there. It was something that really 573 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: started to concern me. I actually wrote a whole article 574 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: about it for from page magazine, and the Saudis were 575 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: among the earliest actually on Saturday to come out and 576 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: support the US Israeli mission. They did so for self 577 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: serving reasons. Riyad and the Eastern si Arabia had their 578 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: own airspace infringed by the Runtians. But that is a 579 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: big deal. It is a really big deal as well 580 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: that Iran has gone after seemingly everyone else in the region, Katar, 581 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: even their erstwhile closest Sunni ally, so the regime seems 582 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: to be on a suicide death wish at this time. 583 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: How long can they possibly hold out? Again, We'll see 584 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: it as a very very fluid situation, but they are rapidly, 585 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: rapidly dwindling their missile arsenal, not just from all their 586 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: shots that they are taking, but also from the US 587 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: and Israeli warplanes which are taking them out also in 588 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: real time concurrence with the Iranians launching their own missiles 589 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: and drones. Meanwhile, on the home front, one of the 590 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: big topics, and it's being brought up for conversation, perhaps 591 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: even a vote if the Democrats got their way in 592 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: in Congress this week, is the question of constitutional war power. 593 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: So every time the president of United States takes one 594 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: of these actions overseas, whether it was in Venezuela in January. 595 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: Now that Venezuela was actually a slightly different situation, as 596 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: we explained the show, that was actually really not a 597 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: military operation. Yes it it involved the US Army, but 598 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: it was actually not really a quote unquote military operation. 599 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: Actually was a DOJ domestic law enforcement operation with the 600 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: individual the suspect was actually just a fugitive of Justice Maduro, 601 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: who have me located overseas. So it's kind of a 602 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: fine point, but we explained it here at the time 603 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: here on the show. This is much more of a 604 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: traditional military operation. There is really no fugitive from Justice 605 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: DOJ domestic law enforce in Nexus when it comes to 606 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: Ali Khameni and the various other Iranian Terrists who've been 607 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: killed since this campaign started. So this definitely is a 608 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: military operation. And in the Senate and How's this week, 609 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats are trying to advance a vote 610 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: on a war powers resolution. So a war powers resolution 611 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: takes us back to a Vietnam War era resolution called 612 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: the Warpow's Resolution of nineteen seventy three, and what it 613 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: basically did was it said that after the initiation of hostilities, 614 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,959 Speaker 1: a president has only a certain amount of time roughly 615 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: fifty days to essentially make his case and then get 616 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: Congress to actually pass a formal declaration of war, otherwise 617 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: the operation must therefore be terminated. Well, as I argued 618 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: in an article over six years ago, as a stands 619 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 1: of help for a very long time the War Powers Resolution, 620 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of Democrats who are currently 621 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: pushing it. There are also a lot of more shall 622 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: we say, libertarian leaning Republicans who have long been sympathetic 623 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: to these kind of things. Rand Paul has longed sympathetic 624 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: to war resolutions. Mike Lee of Utah has long been 625 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: sympathetic to it. There I have a lot of respect 626 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: for Mike Lee, who knows a thing or two about 627 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: the Constitution put in mildly, but the War Powers Resolution 628 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: is here, there, and everywhere unconstitutional, and that is going 629 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: to be the exact same in case advances to a 630 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: vote this week. As well as everyone from Eric Swallwell 631 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: in the House to Dick Blumenthal and Chris Coons in 632 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: the Senate. Essentially all Democrats seem to be unified. For 633 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: what I can tell, around the notion of advancing a 634 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: new war powers resolution. The basic arguments that they offer 635 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: is as follows. They say that an Article one, Section 636 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: eight of the Constitution, the part of the Constitution that 637 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: enumerates what the Congressional powers are, is that one of 638 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: them is to quote declare war. And this is very 639 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 1: standard arguments growing up, when you were in elementary school, 640 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: in middle school, high school, you probably learned that Congress 641 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: has the ability to declare war and therefore there is 642 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: actually an open and shutcase. Well, American history has not 643 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: always played out like that, has it. In fact, the 644 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: last time that Congress actually issued a formal declaration of 645 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: war was actually World War Two. For most of the 646 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: past eighty plus years, that hasn't happened. Yes, there have 647 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: been some AUMPS authorations, authorizations for these military force, but 648 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: there have not been formal declarations of war. And lest 649 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: you think that is just because Congress has been negligent, 650 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: has been derelicting its duties, I mean to tell you 651 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: that is actually not necessarily the case. I have personally 652 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: always been on the opinion that these a clear war 653 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: clause does not actually mean what it seems to say. 654 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: How do I know that while among other reasons, if 655 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: you go just two sections further in the Constitution, Article one, 656 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: Section ten, the drafters the frame of the Constitution use 657 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: similar language to make a different point. They say that 658 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: no state shall engage in war unless actually invaded or 659 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay. 660 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: The key phrase there is engage in war here in 661 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: this context articles at session ten, they're talking about literal 662 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: war again. No states shall engage in war unless actually invaded, 663 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: So to engage in war means to actually engage in 664 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: war fighting. My point to you is that that is 665 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: a different verb engage or declare. And you might think, Josh, 666 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: this is really kind of deeply linguistic here, but that's 667 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: what lawyers do. We look at words and we make 668 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: arguments based on words. So I believe that declare and 669 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: engage when it comes to war actually mean very different 670 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: things in article in the Constitution, And there was a 671 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: law of the article that was written back in two 672 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: thousand and two in the University of Chicago Law Review 673 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: from John You, who will join us on the show tomorrow. 674 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: I look forward to asking John about these questions. Well, 675 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: John U advances arguments in very very persuasive fashion. He wrote, quote, 676 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 1: the declare war clause simply confers on congress dridical power 677 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: to both define the United States's legal relations with other 678 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: countries and trigger domestic constitutional authorities during wartime. So what 679 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: we've been saying is that you're literally declaring that we're 680 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: in a state of war, like actually declaring it. We 681 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: are in a state of war, and that has all 682 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: sorts of implications when it comes to diplomacy, when it 683 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: comes to terrorists, when it comes to sanctions, things like that. There, 684 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: but you don't have the ability to actually start a war. 685 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: That is the article to commander in chief prerogative. Congress 686 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: APPS does have the ability to go against the commander 687 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: in chief. The most obvious way to do this is 688 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: with the power of the purse. And if, in other words, 689 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: you can start to defund war effort, that, after all, 690 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: is how viennam ended again much more with this with 691 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: John you tomorrow. But I believe that this whole war 692 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: powers conversation in Congress is profoundly, profoundly misplaced. The president 693 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: under Article two absolutely has the ability to engage in defensive, 694 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: prophylactic military action against a nation that chance death to 695 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: America and acts to maiming killer assistants, and oh, by 696 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: the way, tried to murder Donald J. Trump himself. According 697 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: to a do Jane Diamonds, that is well well unambiguously 698 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: within his article two core inherence constitucial authority as commander 699 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: in chief of the Arenforced the United States. I view this, 700 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: frankly as an open and shotcase. What is less open 701 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: in shots is this domestic terror incident seems in Austin, 702 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: Texas this past weekend. So a fifty three year old 703 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: man who was born in Senegal is a naturalized cism 704 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: from Senegal, by the way, a phrase that should never 705 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: be read a us citisen Senegal. Let's not do that 706 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: ever again. I want zero immigrants ever from any of 707 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: these countries that have large as long populations. That's just 708 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: common sense. So this psychopath who's wearing a sweatshirt that 709 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: wore a property of Allah and he was found with 710 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: a Koran in his vehicle shoots up a bar on 711 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: West sixth Street in Austin, Texas. I've been to West 712 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: sixth Street many times. These live in Texas. I know 713 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: this street all too well. Tragic, sad stuff there at 714 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: least three dead, fourteen injured. And we don't know exactly 715 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,479 Speaker 1: whether this guy was inspired by what happened to Iran, 716 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: but we certainly think it was. We Again, as I said, 717 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: he says he's got the shirts, his property of all lives, 718 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: got a Koran in the car. There all sorts of 719 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: other smoky fingerprints, let's call that are pointing towards some 720 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: sort of nexus between this action and the Rannie regime 721 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: and the upshot folks, Is this be careful out there? 722 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: The vigilant America now is at war and Iran is 723 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: a second tier country. This is not China snipe in Russia. Frankly, 724 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: they don't have the capability of hitting US with intercontinent 725 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: blessed missiles. They were working towards that for sure, but 726 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: they can't do that. But due to the Biden Harris border, 727 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: there absolutely are any number of sleeper cell agents here, 728 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: especially has Ball. Given has Ball's closeness with the Mexican cartels, 729 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 1: a lot of those operatives are here in the home run. 730 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: Take all the precautions you have, you have a second 731 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 1: man for a reason, utilize it, train arm yourself, carry 732 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: it backup magazine, carry back up knife, perhaps I do 733 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: all this on a daily basis, especially at house of warships, churches, synagogues. 734 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 1: Be very, very careful out there. America is going to win, 735 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Pray for our soldiers someone whom 736 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: tragically have paid the open price already. Pray for them earnestly, 737 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: but be vigilant out there, and God willing, we are 738 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: going to prevail. What's my fellow Jews, I wish you 739 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: a Hawksenmeyer portum. Enjoy your Porm festival starting this evening. Folks, 740 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: Josh Hammer's signing off. Enjoy the rest of your evening. 741 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: We'll be right back