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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seekers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle one of the toughest

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Speaker 1: questions we'll ever have to face as parents.

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Speaker 2: How do we let.

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Speaker 1: Our children go in a godly way, one that keeps

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Speaker 1: the doors of communication open and maximizes our continued influence

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Speaker 1: in their lives. Yeah? Oh, this is a big one,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. The ultimate goal of parenting is obviously to

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Speaker 1: launch your kids into the world prepared to stand on

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Speaker 1: their own intellectually, emotionally, financially, and especially spiritually. But actually

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Speaker 1: trusting them to do that, now, that is hard. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: we stay to engage in ways that strain the relationship,

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Speaker 1: and other times we may disengage too soon in this

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Speaker 1: crucial moments Today, I'm welcoming back my friend and fellow

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Speaker 1: wife audio podcaster Jamie Hampton of the Praying Christian Women podcast,

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Speaker 1: and together we're gonna have a raw, real conversation about

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Speaker 1: the four distinct phases of parenting and what letting go

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Speaker 1: has looked like in our families, so that our kids

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Speaker 1: can become who God.

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Speaker 2: Created them to be.

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Speaker 1: That's the ground we will cover in this episode of

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Speaker 1: Christian parent Crazy World. So let's get started. Today. We

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Speaker 1: are visiting a topic we've never covered on CPCW before,

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Speaker 1: a topic many of us don't really like to think about, because,

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Speaker 1: if we're honest, it brings a tear to the eye.

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Speaker 1: That top is, of course, empty nesting, letting go of

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Speaker 1: our children, launching them into the world, and asking the

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Speaker 1: deeply personal and spiritual question, how do we do that

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Speaker 1: in a God honoring way? You know, I'm standing on

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Speaker 1: the precipice of that monumental moment with not one, but

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Speaker 1: two of my little chicks preparing to leave the nest

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Speaker 1: at the same time, and my guest today has already

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Speaker 1: walked this road. She's empty nested before, and between the

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Speaker 1: two of us, we are parenting older kids who are

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Speaker 1: stretching their wings, making their own decisions, and learning what

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Speaker 1: it looks like to live out their faith. Apart from

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Speaker 1: our daily oversight, you guys, this stage of parenting forces

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Speaker 1: us to wrestle with things we don't always want to face,

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Speaker 1: like control versus trust, fear versus faith, holding on versus

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Speaker 1: letting go It challenges us to ask whether we're still

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Speaker 1: peer learning for obedience or for ownership of their faith

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Speaker 1: where they're turning their obedience over to the God who

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Speaker 1: made them and he is speaking to them directly. Are

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Speaker 1: we guiding wisely or are we hovering? Are we stepping

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Speaker 1: back too far or not far enough? We're going to

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Speaker 1: cover all of that today. I'm joined again by my

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Speaker 1: Praying Christian Women podcast. Many of you know Jamie from

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Speaker 1: last week's powerful conversation on prayer. This week, we're shifting

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Speaker 1: from the topic of prayer to the ones we are

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Speaker 1: most often praying for our kids. Together, we're going to

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Speaker 1: have an honest, vulnerable conversation about what it really looks

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Speaker 1: like to release our children into God's hands while still

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Speaker 1: maintaining influence, relationship and open communication.

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Speaker 2: So that's it.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump right in. Jamie, Welcome to Christian Parent World.

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Speaker 1: It's so awesome to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and Catherine, Welcome to the Praying Christian Women Podcast.

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Speaker 3: It's really fun to get to do these joint episodes.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad, glad we get to do it.

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Speaker 1: I know we got to meet each other because we

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Speaker 1: are both live audio podcasters, and we joined together recently

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Speaker 1: to do a really incredible, powerful episode on prayer. We

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Speaker 1: really focused on Watchman Knee's book Let Us Pray, that's

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Speaker 1: been so instrumental in my life, and I thoroughly enjoyed

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Speaker 1: that conversation Jamie. I thought it was awesome.

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Speaker 3: I am still applying a lot of the things that

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Speaker 3: I gained from reading that book to my prayer life.

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Speaker 2: It's been. It was really good, really good.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, if our listeners haven't heard that one, I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure we're going to release that one first, but

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Speaker 3: we'll see one way or another, you'll see it coming

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Speaker 3: through our feeds, so look out for that one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we wanted to get back together to have

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Speaker 1: a conversation that I have not had on my show before.

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Speaker 1: Of course I have a parenting podcast. I'll tell your

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Speaker 1: listeners just a little bit in case they're tuning in

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Speaker 1: Catherine Seegers. I live in Sweet Home, Alabama. That is

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Speaker 1: Lynyrd Skynyrd Territory. I do believe that we have the

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Speaker 1: We have five kids that I homeschool there, ages twenty

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Speaker 1: Crazy World. We talk about tough topics, theological, relational, apologetic issues,

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Speaker 1: anything that's contributing to the youth exodus we talk about.

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Speaker 1: And I love to dig into deep spiritual, meaty topics

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Speaker 1: but today we're going to talk about letting go get

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Speaker 1: into that topic in a minute. But why don't you

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm Jamie Hampton.

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Speaker 3: I co host the Praying Christian Women podcast with my

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Speaker 3: sometimes have interviews with people about prayer. We have some

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. And I'm a mom of three kids.

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Speaker 3: One is in elementary school ones in middle school. One

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Speaker 3: relocated from Alaska to Utah. I don't know of any

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if there's a good rhyme for Utah. Hm, well,

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Speaker 1: to and I'll ask. It's one of the most beautiful states,

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Speaker 1: right it is. There's songs about that state.

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Speaker 3: but it is an amazing state. There are lots of

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Speaker 1: So you know what they always do though when I

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Speaker 3: No, it's kind of like dust like, sort of late

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So I've seen movies like where it's bright sunshine,

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Speaker 1: love to go to Alaska hopefully one day. Hopefully, one day,

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Speaker 1: Which is that's my little segue there to the topic

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Speaker 1: that's a topic we're talking about today, the process of

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Speaker 1: letting our kids go. It's a process. When you think

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Speaker 1: that starts, Jamie, when does that letting go process start?

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Speaker 3: you know, in my head, the letting go process starts

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Speaker 3: that umbilical cord analogy because yeah, it really does. It's

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Speaker 3: some thing that incrementally you just kind of have these

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Speaker 1: That happens all the time in homeschooling. Sometimes I'm tempted

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Speaker 1: easier if I could just do it for them. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that process I believe begins at the umbilical cord. That

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Speaker 1: we're potentially moving to another date here, your your older

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Speaker 1: She looks at me and she goes, oh, I gave

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: I know. Like the next morning, she is on a

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Speaker 3: but I've noticed there have been a couple of times

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Speaker 3: when either my husband or I have offered unsolicit opinions

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Speaker 3: or advice and he's kind of pushed back a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and you can tell, or maybe you just notice he

436
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Speaker 3: didn't text as much the next day because maybe he's

437
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Speaker 3: not wanting to hear what we have to offer. And

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Speaker 3: I get that, and so that's really important, and I

439
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Speaker 3: didn't put together that that was why now I'm realizing, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what, he's over eighteen, he's living on his

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Speaker 3: own most of the year. If I want him to

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Speaker 3: keep coming back, I mean give me some advice back

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Speaker 3: of like, do you think, like, if you want them

444
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Speaker 3: to keep coming to you, how do we put a

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Speaker 3: guard against offering too much unsolicited advice.

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Speaker 1: That's a great question because sometimes sometimes that's the parent's job,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you really see danger coming to just

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Speaker 1: keep your mouth silent. I don't know that we're necessarily

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Speaker 1: called to do that. I think that is when we've

450
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Speaker 1: got to really lean into the Holy Spirit. And what

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Speaker 1: I've had conversations with other parents where like they have

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Speaker 1: a child in the prodigal season of life, in a

453
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Speaker 1: prodigal season of life, like one one friend I can remember,

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Speaker 1: just like, well, I got together with them lunch the

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Speaker 1: other day and I just had to tell them this

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Speaker 1: and this and this and this and Darling, they already

457
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Speaker 1: know that stuff. They already know when they get into

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Speaker 1: the adult age and particularly later high school, the preaching

459
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Speaker 1: sermons time is kind of over, you know. And it's

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Speaker 1: not that you won't have an occasional time when God

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Speaker 1: may use you, but chances are more likely than not,

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Speaker 1: the person that's going to have the most influence over

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Speaker 1: their lives is not going to be It's not that

464
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Speaker 1: you don't have influence, but it's not going to be

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Speaker 1: the parent preaching a sermon anymore. And they already know,

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Speaker 1: if they've been raised in a godly home where you've

467
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Speaker 1: been training them all along the way, they already know

468
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Speaker 1: right and wrong. They already know truth and lies. They

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Speaker 1: may not believe them. They may be in a prodigal season.

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Speaker 1: We've had a you know, a prodigal season in our

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Speaker 1: home with our oldest and she's given me freedom, by

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Speaker 1: the way to speak about that. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: speak out of turn there and that you know, I

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Speaker 1: never want to do anything to damage that relationship with

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Speaker 1: with my child, any of my kids. But the important

476
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Speaker 1: part is to understand that when you know they get

477
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Speaker 1: into this counseling phase, there may be rare exceptions where

478
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Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit may use you to speak a word

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Speaker 1: of truth into that situation unsolicited. But I think our

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Speaker 1: mo at that time, in that phase of life needs

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Speaker 1: to be okay, Holy Spirit, because he doesn't come barging

482
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Speaker 1: in our lives. Right the Holy what you know what

483
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Speaker 1: he does. He has circumstances, hard circumstances will come into

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Speaker 1: our lives that cause us to turn to him. And

485
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Speaker 1: that's what will happen in our kids' lives, and hopefully

486
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Speaker 1: one of the people they may turn to in life

487
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Speaker 1: for some advice will be us if we have a

488
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Speaker 1: strong relationship with them. But that is just a phase

489
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Speaker 1: where we need to take great care and just say,

490
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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, guard my tongue. There's a lot of things

491
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Speaker 1: I could say, but I want to say things that

492
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Speaker 1: are constructive in this situation and sometimes are very well

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Speaker 1: meaning and truthful. Words can have the opposite effect in

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Speaker 1: a child's life. It can push them away. And has

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Speaker 1: this happened to you, Jamie? My parents? I love my parents,

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Speaker 1: They're godly parents, but there have been times when I've

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Speaker 1: felt like I didn't ask for that advice right now,

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Speaker 1: and it kind of put a wedge in between me

499
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Speaker 1: and my own Has that ever happened to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there have definitely, definitely been times when we've.

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Speaker 2: Had I would say some of it I wouldn't say.

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Speaker 3: I would say on my side and my husband's side,

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Speaker 3: both sets of parents tend to be very considerate in

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Speaker 3: that regard. What I'll say is I can sometimes tell

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Speaker 3: that there is an undercurrent of disapproval. Does that make sense? Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't think either side would just be outright like, oh,

507
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Speaker 3: don't do that, that's stupid, But I could sense an

508
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Speaker 3: undercurrent of disapproval. And yeah, so it's not usually like

509
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Speaker 3: don't give me that advice. I didn't ask for it,

510
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Speaker 3: but it's okay. I can tell that I've mentioned this

511
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Speaker 3: thing and that it's not popular. So yeah, I know,

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Speaker 3: And I've told my mother in law, I said, you

513
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Speaker 3: know what, it has to be so tough being a grandparent,

514
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Speaker 3: because you're then you love your grandkids just as much as.

515
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Speaker 2: You love your own kids, only you.

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Speaker 3: Don't have a say, and the decisions that are made

517
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Speaker 3: really and.

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Speaker 2: Like that has to be so hard. So yeah, But

519
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Speaker 2: what I do know is I have learned.

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Speaker 3: Not to discount that disapproval when I sense that, just

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Speaker 3: because I really respect my yests and you know, my

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Speaker 3: dad and my stepmom and my in laws, I've learned

523
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Speaker 3: not to even if I don't agree. I've learned to

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Speaker 3: at least pause and think about it if I sense

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Speaker 3: that disapproval coming through, just because I think, okay, I

526
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Speaker 3: know they're wise. I know they love me more than

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Speaker 3: you know, more than I know, and love our family,

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Speaker 3: so at least take a pause and kind of consider

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Speaker 3: where could they be coming from.

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Speaker 1: So that's wise, that's wise. That is such wisdom there,

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Speaker 1: and I think sometimes it brushes up against our own pride.

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Speaker 1: But see, we're parents, but we're still children, many of us,

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Speaker 1: you know, our parents are still We're blessed to still

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Speaker 1: have them in our lives and have you know, really

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Speaker 1: good relationships. And I have really great relationships with my

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Speaker 1: parents and my in laws as well, and they've been

537
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Speaker 1: such a blessing in our lives. But we need to

538
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Speaker 1: kind of recognize that. Okay, if it can build a

539
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Speaker 1: wedge or potentially a wedge in my upline, then it

540
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Speaker 1: can build a wedge in my downline. And particularly more

541
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Speaker 1: so than ever, when a child is just now spreading

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Speaker 1: their wings, you know, and getting out to college, moving

543
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Speaker 1: out on their own, those are moments where we need

544
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Speaker 1: to take a lot of care and really lean into

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Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit. I love this question you sent to

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Speaker 1: me when we were talking about this topic. How did

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Speaker 1: Jesus model a healthy letting go process through his interactions

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Speaker 1: with his disciples. I had never thought about that before,

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Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed considering that. What are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: How did Jesus model a healthy letting go process through

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Speaker 1: his interactions with his disciples. I had never thought about

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Speaker 1: that before, and I really enjoyed considering that. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: So I love this, I actually did.

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Speaker 3: I did a whole kind of researching of this through

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Speaker 3: the different interactions, and I'll give you just a nutshell.

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Speaker 3: I feel like from the time he gathered his Disciples.

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Speaker 3: I think there are some some pinpoint places where he

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Speaker 3: really really demonstrates this. I mean, I think the first

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Speaker 3: one was when he was in the boat. The first

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Speaker 3: one that I kind of focused in on was in

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Speaker 3: Matthew eight, where I'm wondering did he go to sleep

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Speaker 3: on purpose just so they would experience This is where

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Speaker 3: Jesus and the disciples are in the boat, the huge

584
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Speaker 3: storm comes up. They're a wind and waves, and they're terrified.

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Speaker 3: The Bible says they were terrified, and Jesus was sleeping.

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Speaker 2: And this actually.

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Speaker 3: Reminds me of when I was driver's ed and I

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Speaker 3: was in the driver's seat and I had my instructor

589
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Speaker 3: that had the like emergency controls that he could take over.

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Speaker 2: And I still remember his name was mister Johnson.

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Speaker 3: And I don't always trust my memories, but I could

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Speaker 3: have sworn that he was sitting in that seat when

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Speaker 3: I went on the highway for the first time and

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Speaker 3: again I was terrified. I could have sworn he had

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Speaker 3: a newspaper open in front of his face.

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Speaker 2: That is the picture I have.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you he was sitting there with it, reading

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Speaker 3: a newspaper and not even looking. But when I look

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Speaker 3: back on that. It makes me think that he was

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Speaker 3: wanting me to kind of he probably had his eyes

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Speaker 3: on the road, like with his peripheral vision and overtop.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, but I feel like he might

603
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Speaker 3: have wanted to give me the impression that he wasn't looking,

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Speaker 3: so that I could own that experience and not feel

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Speaker 3: like he was hovering over me. But he always had

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Speaker 3: the brakes, he always had the wheel whatever, you know,

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Speaker 3: the emergency controls in hand.

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Speaker 2: So I think Jesus might have done that. That's what

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Speaker 2: I was pictries.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Jesus was he went to sleep on purpose, or

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Speaker 3: he was appearing to be asleep when he was all.

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Speaker 2: He knew what was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: He had control over the wind and the waves. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just feel like, you know, they

615
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Speaker 3: were saying, Lord, save us, you know we're going to drown,

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Speaker 3: and he rebuked them, He said, you have little faith,

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Speaker 3: why are you so afraid? And he got up and

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Speaker 3: he rebukes the wind and the waves, and it was

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Speaker 3: completely calm, and and you know, Jesus didn't prevent the storm.

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Speaker 3: He didn't even stop the storm at first. He allowed

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Speaker 3: them to experience it fully and he was honest.

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Speaker 2: About where they needed growth.

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Speaker 3: So that's where I see Jesus modeling like as parents,

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Speaker 3: I think it's our job not to pretend or be dishonest.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jesus couldn't have been dishonest, right he was,

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Speaker 3: he was sinless.

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Speaker 2: But to allow our kids to.

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Speaker 3: Experience hardship without immediate without heading it off at the pass,

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Speaker 3: without them realizing that we're there one hundred percent and

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Speaker 3: you know, able to put the brakes on when we

631
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: need to, But to allow them to sweat a little, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and maybe even reap the natural consequences of their actions,

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Speaker 3: unless of course it's eating dish detergent, which will happen.

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Speaker 3: But so that they can experience, they can have the

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Speaker 3: full experience while they're under our roof, while they're in

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Speaker 3: our care, of messing up, maybe and maybe not having

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Speaker 3: as much faith or maybe not having as much wisdom

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Speaker 3: as they should, but to mess up in a way

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Speaker 3: that they can learn from and to also, I mean,

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Speaker 3: in that situation, Jesus displayed what he was capable of

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Speaker 3: and his power, and you know, maybe maybe even so

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Speaker 3: that they can remember that their kids, and they can

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Speaker 3: remember that they don't have it all together, because otherwise,

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Speaker 3: if we just head off all of their bad decisions

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Speaker 3: at the past, they're never going to learn. Oh wait,

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Speaker 3: there are people that are wiser than me. There are

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Speaker 3: people that maybe know a little bit more than me,

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Speaker 3: and maybe I should pay attention to them too, and

649
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Speaker 3: rely on them a little bit more.

650
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

651
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Speaker 3: That's just kind of my takeaway. What are your thoughts

652
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: on that story?

653
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think definitely. I do think it was

654
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: purposeful that he allowed that crisis to happen to see

655
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: where their faith really was and did they really believe

656
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: he was who he said he was. And when I

657
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: was contemplating this question, I was thinking along. You know,

658
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: in the beginning of Jesus' ministry, you see all the

659
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: miracles coming that he does, and they're walking alongside and

660
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: they're hearing all the teaching. But towards the end of

661
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: his ministry, what do we see. Okay, well, he's sending

662
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: them out and he's not going with them. Right, even

663
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: when he was still alive here on earth, he sent

664
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Speaker 1: them out on missionary journeys two by two, and he

665
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: gave them certain instructions and they come back and they're amazed. Right, Lord,

666
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: look what happened. The same stuff that was happening with you,

667
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: it's happening with us and ultimately as parents. And let

668
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: me just state this right before he goes back to

669
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: be with the Father, he tells them, what greater works

670
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: than I've done, you will do. I love that kind

671
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: of philosophy in parenting that hopefully with our lives. We

672
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: look at our children, and just like Jesus, they're watching

673
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: us in the beginning, they're coming alongside us. They see

674
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: us in ministry, they see us hopefully being generous. They

675
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: see us giving our time and our resources to those

676
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: who are in need. They listen to the lessons that

677
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: were teaching them, and they see us our commitment to

678
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: the Lord. They see us worship, they see us pray.

679
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: And then hopefully we're interacting with them and teaching them

680
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: how to do each of these things, putting them in

681
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: good soil and good environments where they're going to be

682
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: around other people who are doing these things well in

683
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: a godly and a biblical way. But then ultimately we

684
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: all want to get to this place where we're sending

685
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: our kids out. I've had the privilege of doing that

686
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: with a couple of my teenagers this last summer, sending

687
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: them out two But I tell you could say I

688
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: sent two of them on a missions trip to Asia,

689
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: and then I got to sit back, and they came

690
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: back and listen to what the Lord is doing in

691
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: their lives. And hopefully, hopefully we can all say as

692
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: parents that greater works than I did, greater works than

693
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: what happened in my life. That each of these little

694
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: our children are described as arrows in scripture. They're arrows

695
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Speaker 1: that we send out to do the work of the Lord,

696
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Speaker 1: and our job is to prepare them as best we can.

697
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Speaker 1: And so when I look at Jesus, he certainly models

698
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Speaker 1: this really beautifully in the Gospels, and we see, Oh,

699
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Speaker 1: I love that they include all the missteps, right. You know,

700
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Speaker 1: there's Peter. You know, no, I'm not going to wash

701
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Speaker 1: your feet, and he's like, well, don't let me wash

702
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Speaker 1: your feet. You can have none of me. And what

703
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Jesus is teaching his disciples in this moment is that

704
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Speaker 1: the world works one way when you're a leader. That's

705
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Speaker 1: not how my kingdom works. My kingdom works by getting

706
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: down on your hands and knees and washing the feet

707
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: of those who are under you. Washing the feet of

708
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Speaker 1: those that you serve, and it's a very different model,

709
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: and the Disciples had a hard time. They brushed up

710
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: against it a lot. James and John wanted to use

711
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: their authority in order to gain recognition in his kingdom,

712
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, my kingdom doesn't work that way.

713
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: And so he was constantly teaching them as parents, we

714
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: need to teach our kids the way His kingdom works,

715
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: and the best way we do that is by being

716
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: servant leaders ourself in our homes, washing the feet of

717
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: our children, and hopefully establishing an example of the faith.

718
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Speaker 1: I can't I can't force my faith on my kids.

719
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Speaker 1: All I can do is exemplify a faith that is

720
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Speaker 1: hopefully real enough and powerful enough that it's contagious. And

721
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: then it's it's our prayer that greater works than these. Well,

722
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: well my kids do in life, that's my prayer. So

723
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: that's I love that question. I think there's a really

724
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: great example in the gospel, the Gospels of Jesus showing

725
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: how how we parent and what our hope and our

726
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: expectation for our kids should be.

727
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Speaker 3: Well, I love what you said about the example, because

728
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: I think so many times we just want to tell them,

729
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 3: tell them and tell them, and some people will say

730
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: like more is caught than taught, and but that's that's

731
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: discouraging for me sometimes because I'm thinking, I'm not a

732
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: perfect Christian, but I think so much part of that

733
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: authentic faith that you're talking about is not not allowing

734
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 3: our failures in our faith or our failures to act

735
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: in a godly way towards our kids. You know, all

736
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: of us are going to fail in that regard all

737
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: the time. But to use those as teachable moments to

738
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: say I am so sorry. I mean, I can't tell

739
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: you how many times in a day I tell my kids,

740
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I shouldn't have X, Y or Z. This

741
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: is what I should have done.

742
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to do better, you know, I.

743
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: Probably need to do that. After the podcast, we had

744
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: a Love Homeschooling morning with that exact question and some

745
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: other stuff.

746
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: But it's real, and the enemy is going to take

747
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 3: that and say point fingers and say you say you're

748
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 3: a believer and you don't even act this way with

749
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Speaker 3: your kids. That's I mean, every day for me, literally

750
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 3: I hear that accusation in my head. But the important

751
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: thing sometimes I succumb to that, and I will wallow

752
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: and I will, you know, lament the fact that I'm

753
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: an awful Christian and a worm.

754
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: But what we need to do, and what I do

755
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: on my.

756
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: Best days is I go to my kids or my

757
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: husband or whoever it is, and I'll just say I'm sorry,

758
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I should not have done that, and even

759
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: to explain, like, you know what, I'm I'm working on this.

760
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: And the more I pray about it, the quicker I

761
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: catch myself doing it, and they'll start to see that,

762
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: They'll start to see, Okay, maybe she lost her temper here,

763
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: but maybe she's catching it more quickly.

764
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Speaker 2: And the next time, yeah, the next time. I don't know.

765
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Speaker 3: I just feel like we're all a work in progress,

766
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 3: and when we can be honest with our kids about

767
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: our own struggles, it makes them not want to hide

768
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: their sin and their failures, and it makes them realize, oh, this.

769
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: Is part of the process.

770
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: This is why Jesus died, And so I think that

771
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: can be just a powerful thing to help them grow.

772
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
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Speaker 1: That reminds me of an episode I did a little

774
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 1: while back. I think it was something like the most

775
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: important words every parent needs to say to their child

776
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: they are I'm sorry, I was wrong, Please forgive me. Oh,

777
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: And it's not enough just to say i'm sorry, because

778
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: you can say i'm sorry you feel that way, I'm

779
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: sorry you were upset. Now I'm sorry I was wrong,

780
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: Please forgive me. And sometimes we can be right in

781
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: what we said and not in the way that we

782
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: said it. Or we can be right in our motive,

783
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, especially if we have a child who's going

784
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: through a difficult season, a prodigal seatent, and we can

785
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: be right in our motive but wrong in the way

786
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: that we handled it. Maybe maybe it was wrong because

787
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: I preach discermon at you and you're a twenty year

788
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: old kid. You didn't ask for that. And here's what

789
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: we need to understand. A large part of the letting

790
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: go process is recognizing I'm not the Holy Spirit and

791
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: I can't convict my child. That's not my job. I

792
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: may have a moment where something I say can be

793
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: utilized by the Holy Spirit to bring conviction, but that's

794
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: not my job. And operating in that right phase of

795
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: parenting is just so critical. We just got a little

796
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 1: bit of time left here, But I love this question.

797
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: I would love to hear your thoughts, there's another question

798
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: or two maybe we can get to. But a lot

799
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: of moms might say that letting go feels like we're

800
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: losing control. And when I say control, there obviously we

801
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: don't want to be controlling our children, But what I

802
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: mean controlling the circumstances, controlling the situations and like a

803
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: child could make some horrific financial decision or move in

804
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: with really bad roommate situation, or there's so many things.

805
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: You know, we're losing control when the reality is we

806
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: didn't have control in the first place. But I want

807
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: you know, the folks of your show is prayer, and

808
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: I think through prayer it reframes how we're really giving

809
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: control back to God, aren't we. How has prayer helped

810
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: you personally in the seasons of letting go with your children,

811
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: helping them to grow into the next phase of your

812
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: parenting and ultimately fly the coop and be on their own.

813
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, there have been two distinct moments of letting go

814
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: that I really really clung to prayer. And the first

815
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: one was our decision not to homeschool the following year

816
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: for our oldest And I really didn't want to not homeschool.

817
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: I wanted to keep them at home, and so I

818
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: just prayed about it, and we even my husband and

819
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: I were praying independently and just say Lord, help help

820
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: each of us come to you know, we were both

821
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: kind of on the fence because I felt like, kind

822
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: of maybe I was supposed to but I didn't really

823
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: want to.

824
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: And he was kind of the opposite.

825
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: He really did want him to go back to public school,

826
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: but kind of felt like maybe he was supposed to

827
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Speaker 3: stay home. So we kind of were on different sides.

828
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: And so we prayed and we came back together and

829
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: we had both flip flopped, so we were not in

830
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: an agreement, and so we you know, we were just

831
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: both really really trying to work this out. So anyway,

832
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: finally we did end up coming to the same conclusion,

833
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: which was for our son to go to public school.

834
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Speaker 3: And the verse that really brought this home for me

835
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Speaker 3: that the Lord used when I was praying for scripture

836
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: was drum roll please, John.

837
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Speaker 2: Seventeen six through nineteen. So can I just read through

838
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: all of this.

839
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: It's a little bit long, and I know we're sure

840
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: in time, but it's John seventeen sixth through ninety teen.

841
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: This is from the NIV, Jesus is praying for his disciples,

842
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: and granted, I'd like God give me a word of

843
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 3: scripture to confirm what I kind of felt like, which

844
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: was that he was supposed to go to school.

845
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Speaker 1: Appause for just one second there though, I because that

846
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: what you're saying. And as a parent, when you're homeschooling,

847
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: you do feel like you have a lot more control,

848
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: particularly in the education. So I can see how that

849
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: would be so hard. Oh you come to that conclusion,

850
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: I know, because God has called us to homeschool as well.

851
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: You let go. You let go of some other stuff

852
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: when you choose to homeschool, like free time and so yeah,

853
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: and all sorts of stuff. But I can understand when

854
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: you've been in that phase. So that would be a

855
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: real act of faith of having to let go to

856
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: put your child in an environment where you're not really

857
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: in control of the curriculum and the conversations and the

858
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: peer group anymore.

859
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: So keep going, yeah, definitely.

860
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: So John seventeen six through nineteen is Jesus pray for

861
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Speaker 3: his disciples, and God kind of just really neon signed

862
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: me here where Jesus says, I have revealed you to

863
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: those whom you gave me out of the world. They

864
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: were yours. You gave them to me, and they have

865
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: obeyed your word. Now they know everything you've given me

866
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: comes from you, For I gave them the words you

867
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: gave me, and they accepted them. They knew with certainty

868
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: that I came from you, and they believe that you

869
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying

870
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: for the world, but for those you have given me,

871
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 3: for they are yours. All I have is yours, and

872
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: all you have is mind, and glory has come to

873
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 3: me through them. I will remain in the world no longer,

874
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: but they are still in the world, and I am

875
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: coming to you, Holy Father, Protect them by the power

876
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: of your name, the name you gave me, so that

877
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: they may be one as we are one. While I

878
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 3: was with them, I protected them and kept them safe

879
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: by that name you gave me. None has been lost,

880
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: except the one doomed to destruction, so that scripture would

881
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 3: be fulfilled. And then this part is really what hit

882
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: me hard. I am coming to you now, but I

883
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: say these things while I am still in the world,

884
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: so that they may have the full measure of my

885
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: joy within them. I have given them your word, and

886
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: the world has hated them, for they are not of

887
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: the world anymore that I am of the world. My

888
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 3: prayer is not that you take them out of the world,

889
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 3: but you protect them from the evil one. They are

890
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: not of the world, even as I am not of it.

891
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: Sanctify them by the truth. Your word is truth. As

892
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: you sent me into the world, I have sent them

893
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: into the world for them, I sanctify myself, that they

894
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: too may truly be sanctified. And the neon sein part

895
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 3: that's stuck out to me is not that you take

896
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: them out of the world, which is what I sort

897
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 3: of felt like I was doing through homeschooling. I was

898
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 3: kind of keeping them in a way separate, even though

899
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: they were out in the world in all kinds of

900
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 3: other ways, but that you protect them from the evil One.

901
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: And God just gave me this.

902
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: Picture of my son in public school with this bubble

903
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 3: of protection surround him, so that he was in the

904
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: world fully in public school, but protected from the evil one.

905
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: And that's how my prayers were shaped for him, was

906
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: protect him from the evil One, protect him from bad influences,

907
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: let his light shine, and let none of that evil,

908
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 3: none of that bad that he would encounter as part

909
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: of the world with a capital W take away, take

910
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 3: anything away from his faith, and that even his faith

911
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: would be strengthened through that. So that's how God shaped

912
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: That's how my prayers were shaped through that. And then

913
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: this same child has gone out now to college, and

914
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: I tell you, you know, the prayers have never been more

915
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: fervent because I literally have no control. He's not he's

916
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: not under my roof ever, And there are just there

917
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: are really dark nights of prayer where I'm worried about him.

918
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: Last night was one of them, and he got some

919
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: really bad news at school that was that was related

920
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: to it.

921
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: Really it was school related.

922
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 3: It wasn't personal, but but it devastated him, it was.

923
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 3: And I wasn't there. We weren't there with him. We

924
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: couldn't even get a phone call from him for a while.

925
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 3: So I have had to come to terms with do

926
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: I really believe prayer works? Because if I do, I

927
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: believe that it doesn't matter how far he's separate from me.

928
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: God is at work.

929
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 3: The Holy Spirit can do anything no matter how far

930
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 3: away we're separated. If I don't believe that prayer works,

931
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 3: then I'm going to believe that I've lost something because

932
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: I can't touch.

933
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: Him in any way.

934
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: So it's been it's been a big test of faith

935
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 3: in a good way, in the best possible way, because

936
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 3: I've seen God work. I've also seen God working in

937
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 3: what I consider one of the prayers that we were

938
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: praying for him, like didn't come to pass. I felt

939
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: like it was completely God's will, and I think I

940
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: can share just that this had to do with there

941
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: was a team that he had been part of that

942
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 3: he had tryouts for. His entire identity and friend group

943
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: had been this team, and his faith had been influenced

944
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: by members of this team. So of course I believe

945
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: God would allow him to make this team again this year, right,

946
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: And he didn't, and it was devastating for him. So anyway,

947
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: I just I also have to come to terms with

948
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: God knowing better than I do what is best for

949
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 3: him and trusting that. So it's tough, but it's been

950
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: really faith growing.

951
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: I have never thought of that passage in terms of

952
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: parenting before, and now I don't know that I'll be

953
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: able to think about it in any other way. It's

954
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: the perfect I'm so glad you read the whole thing.

955
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: I was so blessed by that, Jamie, thank you, oh wonderful,

956
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: because seriously, because it's the perfect passage for us as parents,

957
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: because Jesus had walked alongside the disciples day in and

958
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: day out for three and a half years, and they

959
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: had to go through something pretty brutal. They had to

960
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: watch the person they loved, their mentor their savior. They

961
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: watched it up close and personal. And so this beautiful

962
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: prayer that He has for these disciples, you can feel

963
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: the love overflowing, and yet the faith that with the

964
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, we're not leaving them without a guide, even

965
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: if they're not listening, even if they're stuffing their ears

966
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: and in a spiritual sense and not listening to the

967
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. That is where you know, we as believers

968
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: know that our greatest influence, even from the moment, let's

969
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: go back to the umbilical cord. Let's just tie this

970
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: thing back around to the beginning. Even from the umbilical chord,

971
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: our greatest influence over the lives of our kids happens

972
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: on our knees, because, let's face it, I know parents

973
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: who've had to go through really hard, huge hardships with

974
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: young children You can't control situations, you can't control their health,

975
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: You can't control a lot of the things that happen

976
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: to even young children, much less older children. We have

977
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: far less control than we would like. And sometimes then

978
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: we think we have, but we really become aware of

979
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: how little control we have when they move out of

980
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: the nest and we're no longer that primary influence in

981
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: their lives. But where do we have some influence? Where

982
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: do we have some Powersome authority still is in the

983
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: secret place in those moments. And I really want to

984
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: encourage listeners go back and listen to our episode on

985
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: Watchman Knee on prayer, on what we have as believers,

986
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: what Christ has given us through prayer, that we're partnering

987
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: with God when we pray over our children, and as

988
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: we do that, we're helping to bring forth God's will

989
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: here on earth, in the lives of our children and

990
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: in our own lives. But we kind of dug into

991
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: all the issues surrounding prayer, a lot of them, not

992
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: all of them. We'd never exhausted all of them. You've

993
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: got a whole podcast on that, but we dug into

994
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that in that episode, And I want

995
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: to encourage parents with one last thing. A concept I

996
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: learned years ago in prayer that it pertains to our

997
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: parenting is that we all operate in certain spheres of

998
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: authority in lives. Some of our listeners may be leaders

999
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: in an industry or a profession, or in a business,

1000
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: or maybe even in government or in their churches. We

1001
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: all have certain spheres of authority. And as parents, we

1002
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: have a sphere of authority in our home, and we

1003
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: have an obligation under God to use that authority in

1004
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: a way that blesses and benefits those who God has

1005
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: entrusted us with. But one principle I've learned that I

1006
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: use almost primarily in prayer is the concept that we

1007
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: have authority o over what we have authored. If God

1008
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: has authored something through us, whether that's you and I.

1009
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: We have podcasts, right, we have authority over that. You

1010
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: may have authority in your business, fear, or in a

1011
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: church setting, But as parents, we have authority over what

1012
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: we have authored. And when I'm talking about I'm not

1013
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: just taught, and we've already established the phases of parenting

1014
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: and of letting go with our children. We don't have

1015
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: some sort of authority to go speaking things into their

1016
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: lives when they're adults that we need to be in

1017
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: that counselor phase. But where I do still have authority

1018
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: is on my knees in prayer because God authored that

1019
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: child through me, He used me, and I have a

1020
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: sphere of authority in the spirit. Let me be very

1021
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: clear there in the spirit in the lives of my children.

1022
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: So when I'm praying for my child's health and well

1023
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: being and spiritual maturation, I have an authority when I

1024
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: pray that I don't have when I'm praying over some

1025
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: other things. Now, I'm still going to pray for other people.

1026
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm still going to pray for other people's kids. I'm

1027
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: still going to pray for our country, I'm going to

1028
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: pray for my church all of these other things. Right,

1029
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: But when we're praying over something God is birthed through us,

1030
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: we have a greater level of authority in the spirit

1031
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: to use in prayer to enact God's plans and purposes

1032
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: in the lives of our children. And I think if

1033
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: we really grasp that, we'd spend more time fasting and

1034
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: praying for our kids. And I just want to encourage

1035
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: my listeners that no matter what your kid is going through,

1036
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: whether that's a health crisis, whether that's a friendship circle crisis,

1037
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: whether that is a crisis of faith, whether that is

1038
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: a crisis of what the next step might be. We

1039
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: have an authority in prayer to help our child find

1040
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: that right next step, and it takes some effort on

1041
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: our part, some discipline on our part, and we have

1042
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: all the love in the world for these kids, but

1043
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't know how to focus that and channel

1044
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: that into the right direction. So I want to encourage

1045
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: our listeners to be praying for your children fervently. And

1046
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: I think that passage of Scripture, I'm gonna spend a

1047
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: little time that was John seventeen, was it.

1048
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: That's John seventeen. Yeah right, I'm.

1049
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: Gonna spend a little time and that really walking through

1050
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: that as a parent, because that's that's an awesome section

1051
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: of Scripture. This has been amazing, This has been great again.

1052
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: Yah. I actually have one last thing that I just

1053
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 3: really fine strongly. I just believe there's someone listening that

1054
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: is thinking, well.

1055
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: That's great for you guys. You raised your kids.

1056
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: In the faith, you you know, spent years, you know

1057
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: while they were in the house, and here I am

1058
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: my kids either about to leave the house or already

1059
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: an adult with their own life, and it's too late.

1060
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 2: And I just have to say, it is never too late.

1061
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: Amen.

1062
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: God knows your journey.

1063
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: He knew if you just he became a believer and never

1064
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 3: knew anything about God while you were raising your kids.

1065
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: God knew that that would happen. But he also knew

1066
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: that you would come to Christ now. And you have

1067
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: that authority. I love what you said about that authority. Yes,

1068
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 3: you have that authority, and it is never too late.

1069
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 3: God is so capable of working, and He has called

1070
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: you to desire to draw your kids to himself for

1071
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: this purpose, you know, And so it's.

1072
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: Not too late.

1073
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for saying that. That was so

1074
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: holy spirit driven, because you're right. I think a lot

1075
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: of parents, if they come to Christ later, there's a

1076
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: lot of regret. And let me tell you just so

1077
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, little inside baseball here, there is no end

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Speaker 1: of regret even when you have raised your children. I've

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Speaker 1: homeschooled my kids with the classical Christian education, and there

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Speaker 1: were some big time mistakes I made. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know people who didn't really raise their kids that way,

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Speaker 1: and their kids are walking with the Lord and doing

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Speaker 1: really well. Every child is different, and I wholeheartedly agree

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Speaker 1: it is not too late. You can still be a

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Speaker 1: really Godly influence in your child's life. And through prayer,

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Speaker 1: God can turn any situation around, any relationship around, any

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Speaker 1: child around and bring that child home to His plans

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Speaker 1: and his purposes for their lives. So that's that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we Why don't we end this in prayer

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Speaker 1: that I think would be perfect, don't you That sounds good?

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Speaker 1: Let me, I'll say a word, and you can just

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Speaker 1: tack onto the end of you and like, Dear Heavenly Father,

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Speaker 1: thank you for this time. Thank you for this beautiful

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Speaker 1: time with fellow podcaster, with Jamie. I know her heart.

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Speaker 1: I've just so been blessed, and she's so inspired by

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Speaker 1: Your Holy Spirit and her parenting in her prayers, in

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Speaker 1: her podcasting. Lord, and we just lift up the parents

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Speaker 1: that are listening right now who are wanting to be

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Speaker 1: a Godly influence in the lives that they're too. Lord.

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Speaker 1: I just pray that inspiration would come. I pray that

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Speaker 1: something that was said along the way that would really

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Speaker 1: just help encourage them, give them strategy help them to

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Speaker 1: walk in the proper phase of parenting, so they're not God.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to push our kids away from You,

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Speaker 1: and we can inadvertently do that in our parenting. Lord,

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Speaker 1: in each and every instance where there have been mistakes made,

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Speaker 1: give us the humility to be able to go back

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Speaker 1: to our kids and say, I'm sorry, I was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Please forgive me, and Lord give us the strategy I know.

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Speaker 1: For my husband and I, we pray the scriptures over

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Speaker 1: our kids, particularly the one who struggled in the faith.

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Speaker 1: We pray I've assembled five pages of scripture. We just

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Speaker 1: pray it over her every day. There's nothing better than

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Speaker 1: praying your word over our children and over the situations

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Speaker 1: in our lives. So I pray that you would give

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Speaker 1: these parents some strategy and some hope and help them

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Speaker 1: Lord with this letting go process to be a Godly influence,

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Speaker 1: that we would all walk in the way that Jesus

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Speaker 1: did and letting his disciples go and training them and

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Speaker 1: the way that they should go, Lord, and praying over them. Lord.

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Speaker 1: He is interceding at the right hand of the Father

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Speaker 1: right now for each and every one of us and

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Speaker 1: for our kids. So we thank you for this time,

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Speaker 1: and I just pray that it would just inspire our

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Speaker 1: listeners in great ways, Lord, and their parenting. In the

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Speaker 1: name of Jesus, I pray, Lord, we pray.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 3: Lord, I just echo all of Catherine's prayers, and we

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Speaker 3: just lift up to you anyone who feels inadequate for

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Speaker 3: the job of parenting. And because it's all of us,

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Speaker 3: and we just lay ourselves before you as loaves and fish. Lord,

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Speaker 3: our efforts to parent are like the loaves and fishes.

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Speaker 3: We just have a little bit. But with you, all

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Speaker 3: things are possible. And we know that you've given us

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Speaker 3: the authority over these children, and we accept it and

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Speaker 3: claim it and just pray that your power would be

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Speaker 3: made perfect in our weakness.

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Speaker 2: So we just ask that you would equip us.

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Speaker 3: Give us eyes to see when our kids are suffering

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Speaker 3: and struggling, even if it's not a parent on the surface.

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Speaker 3: Give us wisdom to know when to speak and when

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Speaker 3: to be silent, when to let them fail a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and when to help and rescue. And for our older children,

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Speaker 3: help us to know exactly when to hold back. And

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Speaker 3: teach us to pray, Teach us how to pray for

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Speaker 3: our kids in ways that are in alignment with your will.

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Speaker 3: Help us to just align our will with yours, to

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Speaker 3: come on board, not to try to drag you along

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Speaker 3: with what we want for our kids, but help us

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Speaker 3: to really become one with you and to be able

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Speaker 3: to pray with power over our children to bring your

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Speaker 3: Kingdom come, Your will be done into their lives.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen, this is awesome. Why don't you tell my listeners

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Speaker 1: where they can learn more about you, your ministry and

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Speaker 1: the Praying Women's podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find Praying Christian Women anywhere you find podcasts.

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Speaker 3: You could go to Praying Christianwomen dot com to connect

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Speaker 3: with us online and on social media. We're mostly on

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Speaker 3: Instagram and substack and Facebook at Praying Christian Women.

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Speaker 2: How about you?

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Speaker 1: Oh, so you can find out more about me at

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Speaker 1: Katherine Segers dot com. That's c A t h e

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Speaker 1: r i n E. Seegers s E g a r

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Speaker 1: s dot com. I wanted to mention what my podcast is,

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Speaker 1: Christian Parent Crazy World. You can find that on Life

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Speaker 1: Audio or wherever podcasts are downloaded in your favorite app.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to mention I do have what I've

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Speaker 1: assembled as a Prodigal Bundle on my website that is

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Speaker 1: really helpful for parents who have children that are struggling

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Speaker 1: in the faith, and that I have a whole scripture list,

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Speaker 1: the same scripture list we prayed over our children, particularly

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Speaker 1: my daughter as she struggled in her faith. I've assembled

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Speaker 1: five pages of scripture scriptures that are suitable to pray

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Speaker 1: over those situations. I also have other scripture lists that

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Speaker 1: I use for prayer. You can use for struggling with

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Speaker 1: mental health or anxiety or depression, or you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is you're going through. I've also got a topical guide,

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Speaker 1: so that bundle is really helpful though, and if you

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Speaker 1: have a child struggling in the face and it's all free,

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Speaker 1: so you can find all of that at Katherine Seegers

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Speaker 1: dot com and Christian Parent, Crazy World, online audio and

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Speaker 1: wherever podcasts are downloaded. So this has been amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so good to talk with you, Catherine. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: we'll see each other again.

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up today, I want to encourage you

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Speaker 1: with this truth. Letting go doesn't mean losing influence, it

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Speaker 1: means shifting it. Parenting in this season looks less like

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Speaker 1: control and more like trust. Trust and the foundation you've

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Speaker 1: laid trust and the relationship you've built, and most of all,

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Speaker 1: trust and the God who loves your children even more

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Speaker 1: than you do. No matter what phase you're in, your presence,

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Speaker 1: your prayers, and your willingness to release your kids with

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Speaker 1: open hands back to the God who created them still

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Speaker 1: matters deeply and always always remember this. God gave you your kids,

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Speaker 1: your specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold

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Speaker 1: the key to unlock and who God created them to be.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Christian parent Crazy World is

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Speaker 1: a production of Life Audio and Salem Media. If you

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Speaker 1: liked what you heard today, please take a second to

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Speaker 1: rate and review this podcast in your favorite podcast app

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Speaker 1: so that more listeners like you can find the show.

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Speaker 1: For more faith filled inspirational podcasts, visit us at lifeaudio

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