1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week on Capitol Hill, your insider's guide 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: to the story shaping Washington and the world. I'm your 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: host Tony Perkins. Well, could the six week partial government shutdown, 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: now creating headaches for travelers at airports across the country 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: soon becoming to an end. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: We are here because thanks to democrats determined refusal to 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: reach an agreement, there will be no Homeland security funding 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: bill this year. Instead, just a few minutes ago, Republicans 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: funded Department of Homeland Security piecemeal. 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: That was Senate Majority Leader John Thune. Early Friday morning, 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: James Rosen, chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax, will join us 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: with the latest from Capitol Hill. Meanwhile, the war with Iran, 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: now approaching the one month mark, shows no clear signs 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: of ending despite ongoing diplomatic efforts. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: They now have a chance to make a deal. But 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: that's up to them, and they'll tell you we're not negotiating. 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: We will not negotia. Of course, Negotia obliterated. Who wouldn't negotiate? 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: They are begging to make a deal. We'll see if 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: we can make the right deal. I was President Donald 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: Trump on Thursday. As around's nuclear and ballistic missile capability 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: been sufficiently degraded, and could a premature peace agreement leave 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: the region even more unstable. We'll talk with former US 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton. Foreign and domestic 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: issues are usually viewed separately by Americans, with most Americans 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: focused on matters at home, but this conflict is bringing 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: them together as rising oil prices begin to hit Americans 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: at home. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 4: We can get control back over the price of fertilizer, 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: the price of fuel if we get that, that's straight 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 4: straightened out. 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 5: And I think again, our Arab. 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: Neighbors are friends in the region, have a direct interest 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: that that's their neighborhood, so to speak, and all of 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: our NATO allies do as well, because it's about the 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: stability of oil prices worldwide. 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: That was House Speaker Mike Johnson on Fox News earlier 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: this week. We'll discuss the topic with Illinois Congressman Darren Loehood. 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: And with so much attention on the Middle East, is 39 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: the US keeping a close enough watch on China. 40 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 5: We'll take a look at that as well. All of 41 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 5: this and more. 42 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Coming up on this edition this week on Capitol Hill. 43 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: Today's edition of this Week on Capitol Hill is being 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: presented by aarp. 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: Well, could the six week partial government shut down disrupting 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: air travel across the country soon be resolved? And is 47 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: this becoming kind of the new normal in divided government? 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: Joining us now with the ladies from Capitol Hill, James Rosen, 49 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Newsmax. James, welcome back to this 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: week on Capitol Hill. Thanks for joining us. 51 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 6: Thank you, Tony. 52 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: All right, so fly flight delays our major story this week. 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: Is this now come to a point where voters are 54 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: feeling the pinch and so politicians are responding. 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 7: That's probably a safe way to describe it. I remember 56 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 7: the last time I was on this program. It was 57 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 7: as the DHS of funding shutdown was approaching, and you 58 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 7: asked if I thought there was any resolution in sight 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 7: to be negotiated amongst lawmakers on Capitol Hill, and I 60 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 7: answered in the negative. 61 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 6: And here we are now. 62 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 7: I believe this to be, if memory serves correctly, the 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 7: longest partial shutdown for a specific agency in the history 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 7: of the federal government. And yes, those images being beamed 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 7: around the world of stranded passengers and stranded travelers and 66 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 7: tourists and their families We're not going over well in 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 7: home districts. 68 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: Let's put it that way, Tony. 69 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: So this weekend, as we go into the weekend, a 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: deal maybe in the works, at least a partial funding 71 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: of a partial shutdown. Let's talk about the bigger political 72 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: implications here. This is not the first shutdown we've seen. 73 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: We had a major shutdown of most of the government. 74 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 5: Not that long go. 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 8: Is this the new norm for divided government? So first 76 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 8: to the potential deal that's emerging. The Senate has passed 77 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 8: a version of this appropriations package where DHS would be 78 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 8: funded once again, with exceptions for ice and border patrol, 79 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 8: which would be carved out of this compromise for now. 80 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 8: And President Trump previously has said that he wouldn't sign 81 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 8: any such legislation unless it was tied to the passage 82 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 8: of the Save Act concerning election integrity. So since then, however, 83 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 8: congressional Republicans have made clear that they have received signals 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 8: from the White House of the President would in fact 85 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 8: sign this compromise should it make its way through the House. 86 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 8: Whereas we know, the lower Chamber is a repository for 87 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 8: more intransigent figures than the Senate typically is. 88 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 7: And now, as to the political ramifications. Look, this is 89 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 7: a midterm year, of course, and high gas prices. I 90 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 7: think we're thirty percent higher than we were at this 91 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 7: before the Iran conflict started. All of this, plus the 92 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 7: travel delays and the problems associated with the DHS shutdown, 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 7: and the problems for TSA, all of this is creating 94 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 7: a very negative picture for the Republicans. 95 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 6: Nobody goes unscathed. 96 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 7: Of course, Congress as an institution, the Democrats and the 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 7: Republicans all poll fairly, or I should say poll poorly 98 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 7: when generic opinions of them are asked, but certainly the 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 7: president and the Republican controlled Congress have more to lose. 100 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 5: James. 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Speaking of polling, it appears that the president's polling, his 102 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: favorability remains pretty much stable, despite the things that are happening. 103 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 5: How is that. 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 7: Well, It's long been said of Donald Trump as a 105 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 7: candidate and an office holder over the last decade that 106 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 7: he has both an internal permanent base and something of 107 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 7: an internal permanent ceiling. Now, in the early days of 108 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 7: his administration, he was doing quite well in public approval ratings. 109 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 6: Right now, again, the Iran war, I think is weighing 110 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 6: down figures. 111 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 7: I think the Real Clear Politics average of major reliable 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 7: surveys shows that there's a ten point negative spread in 113 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 7: the polling on approval of the Iraq war right now, 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 7: although it remains pretty popular within President Trump's own magabase. 115 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 7: I think something like forty percent of those voters approve 116 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 7: of the war, maybe higher. And it's interesting to see 117 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 7: the Fishers, of course, that this whole enterprise has opened 118 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 7: up in the President's base and in the wider maga 119 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 7: slash conservative movement. And again, for all of that to 120 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 7: be arising, materializing, perhaps metastasizing at the dawn of a 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 7: midterm cycle is less than propitious for President Trump. 122 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: So is that where voters who disagree with the president's 123 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: foreign policy and the domestic implications, is that where they 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: express it in the midterm elections. 125 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 7: Well, that's certainly going to be one venue for the 126 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 7: expression of the will of the people. 127 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 6: Absolutely. 128 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 7: And look, we can't discuss these matters without recognizing the 129 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 7: historic achievements of the US military in this operation, the 130 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 7: elimination of the Iranian regime perhaps twice over, which has 131 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 7: been such a menacing presence on the world stage for 132 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 7: so long, with a lot of American blood on its hands, 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 7: the destruction of the Iranian Air Force assets, their navy, 134 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 7: much of their ballistic missile inventory. Whatever takes place, whatever 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 7: takes power in Iran presently or in the near term future, 136 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 7: will not have anything like the power that the previous 137 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 7: regime had to export terror to threaten America's allies in 138 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 7: the Gulf and so forth. So it's going to be 139 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 7: incoment on the President as these midterms approach, to do 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 7: a better job than he has to date of articulating 141 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 7: why this operation was undertaken, why it's important, what the 142 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 7: circumstances will be that need to be met in order 143 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 7: for it to end. And he needs more than he 144 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 7: has to date to use the trappings of the presidency 145 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 7: to get across that messaging to the American people, including 146 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 7: in his own base. For example, we haven't we've gone 147 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 7: to war, but we haven't seen an Oval office address 148 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 7: in prime time. You know, there are other venues for 149 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 7: a sitting president who becomes a wartime president to use 150 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 7: to try and galvanize the country and mobilize the electorate 151 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 7: behind the war effort. And President Trump, unfortunately for his 152 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 7: own from his own perspective, has been kind of all 153 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 7: over the lot in the messaging as to why this 154 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 7: was happening, what circumstances he'd like to see before declaring 155 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 7: a victory from unconditional surrenders. Perhaps me and the eye 156 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 7: I Toli pick the next set of leaders. I think 157 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,239 Speaker 7: that lack of clarity is weighing down the public opinion pulling. 158 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Well, James, I think you laid out what has already 159 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: been accomplished and why that is. 160 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 5: Important for the future. 161 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: I want to ask you this question, kind of going 162 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: back to the politics of this where the long term danger, 163 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: the growing danger of a nuclear equipped ran their use 164 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: of ballistical ballistic missiles even against their neighbors. The American 165 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: people seem to have a very short attention span and 166 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: ability to offset the pain of Like you know, I 167 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: filled up my truck earlier this week, and it costs 168 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot more. Are we losing the ability to see 169 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: long term benefit for our country that sometimes requires short 170 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: term sacrifice. 171 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 7: We speak about the attention span of the American people 172 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 7: or of Western societies in general. Now and look, we 173 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 7: are all now almost three decades into this new millennium, 174 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 7: and all of us are being nourished on a diet 175 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 7: of short attention span media, and so it's not entirely 176 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 7: our own fault. We are surrounded by forces larger than 177 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 7: ourselves that are driving us in certain directions, and that 178 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 7: includes the deterioration of our political culture at large. And 179 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 7: that's why these shutdowns are more frequent and longer lasting. 180 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 6: And I think, with respect to. 181 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 7: Your question, you compare this to American sentiment during World 182 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 7: War Two. Let's say, now, of course we were attacked 183 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 7: in World War Two at Pearl Harbor, but we lost 184 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 7: upwards of twenty thousand men at Okinawa at iwo Jima, 185 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 7: and there was back then. It seems a greater capacity 186 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 7: for the absorption of national sacrifice than there is today. 187 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 6: Today. We have an all volunteer army as well. 188 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 7: So one would hope that the American people do see 189 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 7: the direct connection between security overseas and security here at 190 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 7: home when you have failed states such as Afghanistan that 191 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 7: can produce a nine to eleven. The challenge for the 192 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 7: Trump administration right now is, having achieved those military objectives 193 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 7: in Iran, how will the United States and Israel go 194 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 7: about the business of assuring that that regime is not 195 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 7: succeeded by a failed state. 196 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: James, You're going to have to leave it there. Great conversation. 197 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: We will continue it another time. James Rosen, thanks for 198 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: joining us, folks, stick with us. More to come after 199 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: the break. Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. 200 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Perkins, your host. Well, Iran publicly insists it 201 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: is not negotiating with Washington over President Trump's fifteen point plan. 202 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: President Trump has further delayed attacks on Iran's energy plants 203 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: over the regime's closure of the Strait of Horror moves. Now, 204 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: the question is coult a premature agreement result in a 205 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: more unstable Middle East than when we went into Iran? 206 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss this and more as former 207 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: US Ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, Ambassador, Welcome 208 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: back to this week on Capitol Hill. 209 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 5: Great to be with you. Thanks for having me. 210 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's just stop at start rather at the 211 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot view. Your thoughts on where we stand 212 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: right now with this conflict with Iran. 213 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 9: Well, if our objective is regime change in Iran, which 214 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 9: I believed it was at the beginning and hope still is, 215 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 9: I think it's the right objective. There are a number 216 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 9: of problems with the way we're going about it. But fundamentally, 217 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 9: the threat that Iran poses to us, to Israel, to 218 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 9: our friends in the Golf region, really the whole world, 219 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 9: through their nuclear weapons and program and their support for terrorism, 220 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 9: are not going to be eliminated until the regime itself disappears. 221 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 9: That's the reality. 222 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: Also, speaking of realities in the American public not fully 223 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: aware of the information that our government has in terms 224 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: of threats. The polling for this has not been good 225 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: from the start, but the President making that decision to 226 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: go forward anyway, you are very familiar with a threat 227 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: from Iran. 228 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 5: You said this was the right decision, right. 229 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 9: I wish he had prepared the American public for it 230 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 9: well in advance. I don't mean explaining what operations were 231 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 9: going to be launched or at the timing, but to 232 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 9: make what I think is the very compelling case that 233 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 9: American national security is gravely endangered by the regime and 234 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 9: its capabilities, the nuclear threat, the terrorist threat, and now, 235 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 9: as we can see all too well, the threat of 236 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 9: closing the strait of Hormus. And I think with that 237 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 9: argument in mind, I think the White House could have 238 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 9: been very persuasive and had a similar persuasive effect in Congress. 239 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the positive aspects of this, and 240 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: that so many administrations prior to its Republican and Democrat 241 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of kick the can down the road, leaving it 242 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: for another administration or another generation to deal with it. 243 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: The President did take it on. This was a threat, 244 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: a fundamental threat, and a growing threat, not just to 245 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: Israel in the Middle East, but as you pointed out earlier, 246 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: to the United States. 247 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 9: Absolutely. Look, I favored this for twenty years. I want 248 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 9: this to succeed. So my concerns are on the basis 249 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 9: that I don't want to see it fail and negatively 250 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 9: impact the US and all of our allies around the world, 251 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 9: especially Israel. 252 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 5: So a lot rides on getting this right. 253 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 9: And if the regime is able to last this out, 254 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 9: we're going to see, basically only in a matter of time, 255 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 9: the regime build back the capabilities that we've destroyed and 256 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 9: resume its threats. 257 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that for just a moment, Ambassador Bolton, 258 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: because if we pull back prematurely, there's negotiations going on. 259 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 5: I think that with the rise. 260 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: In the price of oil, the American people are feeling this. 261 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: The pressure is intensifying to bring this to a closure. 262 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: At least on the surface. The end could be worse 263 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: than the latter, could be worse than the former if 264 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: we don't finish the job. I mean, could this not 265 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: create a more unstable Middle East? 266 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 5: Well, I think it almost certainly. 267 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 9: Will you know? 268 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: In years gone by, the. 269 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 9: Threat of closing the Straight of Hormuz was largely hypothetical. 270 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 9: In the late years of the Reagan administration, the US 271 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 9: reflagged Kuwaiti tankers with the US flag to help them 272 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 9: get out of the go and out of the Straight 273 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 9: of hor moves against potential attack by Iran, and back 274 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 9: then Iran was deterred. But what they see now is 275 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 9: that they do have the Straight closed. They have seen 276 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 9: price of oil and gas go up, and the threat 277 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 9: of real economic consequences. 278 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 5: All around the world. 279 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 9: Even though we don't buy much oil from the Gulf 280 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 9: and the Europeans don't buy much oil from the Gulf, 281 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 9: Asia does, and our economies are interlinked. So if the 282 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 9: Iatolas and the Revolutionary Guard remain in power, they will 283 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 9: see that they have outlanceded the United States and that 284 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 9: our ability to feel that economic pain simply is not 285 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 9: up to the challenge. That would be a terrible lesson 286 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 9: for them to learn, and it will reinforce their view 287 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 9: that if they get nuclear weapons and restore their terrorist 288 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 9: proxies like Hamas and Hezbola, that they can get pretty 289 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 9: much what they want. 290 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: I want to come back to that in just a moment, 291 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: about the ability of this regime to kind of wait 292 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: this out, stay in place. But first I want to 293 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: talk about the implications if the United States does pull 294 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: back I Ran continues to be a threat, the unlikelihood 295 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: that another administration in the years ahead would take on 296 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: this problem. 297 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 5: I would think there would be a reluctance. 298 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: If we do not see success here, another administration will 299 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: be reluctant to take this on again. 300 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 9: I think that's a very real risk, because they'll say 301 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 9: this was an opportune moment. I think the regime in 302 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 9: Iran before we started this war was weaker than it's 303 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 9: been at any point since it took power in nineteen 304 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 9: seventy nine. It's extraordinarily unpopular all across the country. The 305 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 9: economy is in terrible shape. The young people two thirds 306 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 9: of Iranians are under age thirty. The women are dissatisfied 307 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 9: and have been for years since the killing of Masiamini, 308 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 9: the young Kourdish woman who refused to wear the hijab. 309 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 9: The ethnic groups like the Kurds and others are very dissatisfied. 310 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 9: If regime change doesn't are now, I think others would 311 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 9: be discouraged. And more broadly, I think Russia and China, 312 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 9: which sie Iran is their proxy in the Middle East, 313 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 9: will believe that their ability to pressure the United States 314 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 9: in every other region of the world, Europe, the Far East, 315 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 9: South Asia will be considerably enhanced as well. 316 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if they outlast this effort from the United States, 317 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: it would seem that they would believe they're invincible. 318 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 5: At that point. How much longer do you think they 319 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 5: can hold out? 320 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 9: Well, I believe that the damage we've done, and it 321 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 9: is considerable to the Revolutionary Guard, to the nuclear and 322 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 9: ballistic missile programs, many other aspects of their military capabilities, 323 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 9: is having a destabilizing effect on the regime. And when 324 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 9: you open up the top of the regime and they 325 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 9: start going at each other, and remember, many of them 326 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 9: have been eliminated, so there are a lot of jobs 327 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 9: for people to rise up to, and you get that 328 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 9: kind of internal clashing I think it says to the 329 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 9: people over on the regime can't defend itself and its 330 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 9: days are numbered, so that this says to others in 331 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 9: the regime that the ship is going down, and maybe 332 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 9: they don't want to go down with it. You put 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 9: all that together, this is an opportunity that we can't 334 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 9: afford not to take advantage of. 335 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: What then is the final stroll that causes that tipping 336 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: point where the Iranian people see this, the regime understands it, 337 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: and we see the change that's necessary. 338 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 5: Well, I think we're near to it. Actually, you never 339 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 5: can tell. 340 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 9: I think what's necessary now critically is much more aid 341 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 9: to the opposition inside resources, telecommunications, money, weapons, if they 342 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 9: want it. I think it's foolhardy to think that people 343 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 9: are going to rush back out on the street and 344 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 9: be massacred as the regime did. 345 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 5: To them in January. But as they see the regime. 346 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 9: Weakened, if we can help them, help them get better organized, 347 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 9: help them with resources, then I think the regime will. 348 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: Come to end about forty five seconds left, Ambassador Bolton. 349 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: Could the Kurdish forces play a role in this? 350 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 9: Yes, absolutely, Kurds are about ten percent of the population, 351 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 9: of Iran nine to ten million, roughly in the northwestern 352 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 9: part of the country. They've long wanted greater autonomy. They 353 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 9: despise the regime. They are well organized. I think they 354 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 9: do have weapons, and I think they could assist others 355 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 9: around the country as well. The more pressure we put 356 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 9: on the Revolutionary Guard and all thirty one provinces of Iran, 357 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 9: the more likely it will begin to come apart peace 358 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 9: by piece. And often regimes look a lot tougher on 359 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 9: the outside than they are on the inside. I think 360 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 9: that's true here too. 361 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Turkey may not be happy with that, but I 362 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: think it'll be good for the situation. 363 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 5: On the ground. 364 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: Ambassador John Bolton, always great to see you. Thanks so 365 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: much for taking time to join us today. So glad 366 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: to be with you. All right, folks, stick around more 367 00:19:54,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: coming up right after this. Welcome back to this week 368 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill. I'm Tony Perkins. Well, earlier we were 369 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: discussing with James Rosen the impact the shutdown and the 370 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: war in Iran is having on the public and the 371 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: impact it could have at the ballot box in November. 372 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 5: One of the. 373 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: Best indicators of what is happening across America is what 374 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: we're hearing on conservative talk radio. And who better to 375 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: turn to than Tom Tradup, vice president for News and 376 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: talk Programming at the Salem Radio Network. He's also the 377 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: executive producer of This Week on Capitol Hill. 378 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 5: Tom. Welcome to This Week on Capitol Hill. Thank you, Tony. 379 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 10: I'm usually on the other side of the camera, so 380 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 10: it's unusual for me. 381 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: Well, that's all right, because I really want to kind 382 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: of jump into this issue of we're hearing all this 383 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: polling data people not happy with what's happening in Iran. Obviously, 384 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: the gas price is going up. So what are we 385 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: hearing on talk radio among conservative voters? Are conservative voices, 386 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: which are the conservative voters for Republicans? 387 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 10: You know, I think it breaks down pretty much the 388 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 10: way the national polling is. James Rosen said something about 389 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 10: the way that the Maga bass is pretty well stuck 390 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 10: with Trump on the war in Iran, gas prices not 391 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 10: so much. I think our audiences are pretty much like 392 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 10: that when they call the talk shows, which are not scientific, 393 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 10: They're not like taking a scientific poll. Oftentimes the talk 394 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 10: radio audience is older and whiter and more conservative than 395 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 10: Americans as a whole. But it's a good indicator, has 396 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 10: been since the days of Rush Limbaugh, and a lot 397 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 10: of people characterize talk radio, as you know, as angry 398 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 10: and ill informed men and women who gather around the 399 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 10: am radio to regularly subtract from the sum total of 400 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 10: human knowledge. But that's not the case. They're smart people. 401 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 10: They're men and women who really care about this country. 402 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 10: We're hearing a lot of feedback, not much of it 403 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 10: against the war so far. I think people are sticking 404 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 10: with the president, but they would like to see an 405 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 10: off ramp. The gas prices, A lot of people are 406 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 10: complaining about that, but that's to be expected. If you 407 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 10: have to fill up your tank, you're probably complaining a 408 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 10: little bit. 409 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 410 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: Well, I like the lower gas prices, but as I 411 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: was talking about earlier, I understand the implications here in 412 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: the long term benefit for my children and grandchildren. I 413 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: want to talk about another indicator, as it pertains to 414 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: talk radio, where there is a It seems like talk 415 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: radio in the base have almost become one because we're 416 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: seeing more and more talk show hosts that are stepping 417 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: away from the microphone and running for public office and 418 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: serving in public office. I mean that shows that there 419 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: is a strong connection between those like myself to sit 420 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: behind the microphone and the people who turn out to vote. 421 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 10: Well, you don't have to look any further than the 422 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 10: president's cabinet. I mean, Dan Bongino was there now he's 423 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 10: back doing a podcast. 424 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 5: He served in the FBI. 425 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 10: Sean Duffy, the Transportation Secretary, was on Fox. 426 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 5: Any number of people. 427 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 10: Our Secretary of War, Pete Hagsith, stepped out of conservative 428 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 10: talk on TV on Fox and went to the cabinet. 429 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 5: But we've got a lot of people. 430 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 10: One of our most recent examples was this weekend. We 431 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 10: just were informed that one of our morning show hosts 432 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 10: on the Salem Radio Network, a guy named christgall he's 433 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 10: very involved in politics, and he announced he's going to 434 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 10: run for Ralph Graves seat that Ralph is stepping down 435 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 10: from in the US Congress in northern Missouri. It's suburban 436 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 10: Kansas City, Saint Joseph in that area. So he's decided 437 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 10: he's going to stop talking and as he puts it, 438 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 10: joined the fight. 439 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 5: But other people have done this. 440 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 10: Larry Elder, one of our show's hosts, ran for governor 441 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 10: of California in twenty twenty one. He's back on the 442 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 10: air with us, and of course the probably the most 443 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 10: prominent one in everybody's mind with us is Sebastian Gorka. 444 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 10: Doctor Gorka was doing our afternoon show from three to 445 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 10: six in the afternoon, and then President Trump asked him 446 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 10: to become his Director of counter Terrorism. And he's been 447 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 10: right in the forefront of helping guide you know, eleven 448 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 10: hundred gihaties being killed and one hundred and ten hostages 449 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 10: or more being released. So you know, at some point 450 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 10: people who feel strongly about America like to step off 451 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 10: away from the microphone and maybe get their hands dirty 452 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 10: and get into politics. 453 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: But it also does show that connection between the fact 454 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: that they are connected to voters, because most of these 455 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: individuals who go on like you're talking about Chris running 456 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: for Sam Grave seat, that that is, you know, that 457 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: speaks a lot that the fact that he's connected to voters. 458 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: And so, you know, a lot of people want to 459 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: say conservative talk radio is going away. It seems like 460 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: it is solidifying its strength, especially in the period in 461 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: which we're in. 462 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 5: We got about forty five seconds left. 463 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think more so than going away, it is 464 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 10: in the hearts and minds of people and when they 465 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 10: want to talk about things or hear what's happening, they snap. 466 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 5: On that radio in the car or at home. 467 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 10: And they can instantly know what people are talking about 468 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 10: all around the United States. 469 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, Tom, thanks for joining us and delving into that 470 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: connection between what's happening with voters and what's happening with 471 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: conservative voices and what's happening behind the microphone. 472 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 5: And we'll see you on the other side of the microphone. 473 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 5: All right, thank you, Tony. 474 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: Tom Tradap, vice president for News and Talk Programming at 475 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: the Salem Radio Network and executive producer of This Week 476 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill. All right, when we come back, we're 477 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: going to be joined by Congressman Daryln Lohod, So don't 478 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: go away. Welcome back to this Week on Capitol Hill. 479 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Perkins. 480 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 7: All right. 481 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: The partial Department of Homeland Security shutdown is now being 482 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: felt not just by unpaid federal workers, but a large 483 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: portion of the American public, with growing flight delays and 484 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: possible airport closures being discussed now. The Senate approved a 485 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: partial resolution of the partial shutdown early Friday morning, In fact, 486 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: just as we were going into the studio to record 487 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: the program for the weekend. The Speaker got pulled out 488 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: of the program so that he could huddle with House 489 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: leadership to try to figure a way forward, because this 490 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: resolution now goes to the House for approval. Joining now 491 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: to discuss this is Illinois Congressman Darren Lohood. He serves 492 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: on three House committees, including the House Permanent Select Committee 493 00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: on Intelligence. He represents the sixteenth Congressional district of Illinois Middlehood. 494 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. 495 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 11: Great to be with you, Tony. 496 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's take first things first. Is a 497 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: resolution to this partial government shutdown? 498 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 11: Is it possible? Well, we'll see. Obviously, we have an 499 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 11: obligation and responsibility to fund the Department of Homeland Security. 500 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 11: The House has done that in a bipartisan way on 501 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 11: three separate occasions. Did it again yesterday in a bipartisan way. 502 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 6: You know. 503 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 11: The Senate, you know, continues to play political games with 504 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 11: the American people. That's the reason why we've had these 505 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 11: lines at our airports, and I just I worry that 506 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 11: they're willing to sacrifice the safety and security of our 507 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 11: country for political games. That's been Chuck Schumer. So, as 508 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 11: you mentioned, there was a bill passed by unanimous consent 509 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 11: early on Friday. We'll see there's I think a number 510 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 11: of House members that want to support funding the Department 511 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 11: of Homeland Security, but we do not want to defund ice, 512 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 11: we do not want to defend on you know, border control, 513 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 11: our border patrol. And so I think there's there's still 514 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 11: a long ways to go on getting this done in 515 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 11: the House. 516 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk a little bit there as we're 517 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: discussing as about the political realities in the House. 518 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 5: I mean, you don't have much of a margin to 519 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 5: work with. 520 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: You have to have almost every Republican president and voting 521 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: in favor to make this thing happen. 522 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 11: It is a tight governing majority, and we're really won 523 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 11: two seats, and we've had some attendance issues, we've had 524 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 11: some health issues, and so you know, Speaker Johnson has 525 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 11: done a remarkable job on being able to pass much 526 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 11: of President Trump's agenda. I give him a lot of credit. 527 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 11: I joke that I call him Magic Johnson because he's 528 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 11: been able to pull a few rabbits out of his 529 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 11: hat on that. But it's the reality that we got 530 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 11: to have everybody on board. We got to have make 531 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 11: sure the President is helping to push our members in 532 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 11: the right direction, and so, but I would just say this, 533 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 11: we believe strongly in funding the Department of Homeland Security 534 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 11: and our ice agents and keeping the country safe. That's 535 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 11: the strong sentiment, and I'm hopeful we'll be able to 536 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 11: get it across the finish line. 537 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: The congressmanlihood, might this be an opportunity as well that 538 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: some in the House see to advance the Save Act, 539 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: which would protect election something that's also a priority for 540 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: the President. 541 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 11: Absolutely, this is a must pass bill, and so there 542 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 11: are a number of our members that want to get 543 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 11: that attest. Obviously, I support the Save America Act. This 544 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 11: is complete common sense. It's an eighty five percent issue, 545 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 11: requiring people to present ID making sure you're a US citizen. 546 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 11: President Trump feels strongly on this, and so this may 547 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 11: be an opportunity. So I think we'll look at the 548 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 11: legislative ability to do that and to get it passed. 549 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 11: But I clearly that is on the table, and I've 550 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 11: voted three separate times in the House to support the 551 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 11: Same America Act. It will be the foundation of our democracy, 552 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 11: is people having faith in our election system. Save America Act. 553 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 11: We'll give that faith. 554 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: I want to underscore, as you described it, its common 555 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: sense should be in place. It should not be a 556 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: difficult lift for those who care about the security of 557 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: our elections and the future of our country. I'm going 558 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: to go back to something you said about the security 559 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: of the homeland. You serve on the Intelligence Committee there 560 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: in the House. With the continuing conflict now moving into 561 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: a month long with Iran, are there heightened homeland security 562 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: threats from Tehran reason to be concerned here at home. 563 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 11: Well, we continue to watch and monitor that very closely 564 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 11: on the Intelligence Committee, the Department of Homeland Security, obviously 565 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 11: the Department of War. There's nothing that I've seen that 566 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 11: would cause me to give any warnings or admonitions to 567 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 11: US citizens in the United States. Doesn't mean there can't 568 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 11: be a lone wolf as we tragically saw down in Austin, 569 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 11: Texas recently, or we saw in Deerborn or in Michigan 570 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 11: with the potential attack on a Jewish facility or a synagogue. 571 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 11: But no, I don't We're not aware of anything that 572 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 11: would currently threaten the homeland. But you got to be vigilant. 573 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 11: I mean, you know, we are in a conflict with Iran. 574 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 11: They are a state sponsor of terrorism, have been involved 575 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 11: in terrorism for over forty years since the downfall of 576 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 11: the Shaw. They are a malign cancer throughout the Middle East. 577 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 11: They have blood on their hands US troops and US citizens. 578 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 11: So we have to be vigilant, but we remain strong 579 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 11: on the home front for. 580 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: Now, Congressmanhood just a couple of minutes left. I want 581 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: to kind of swift shift gears a little bit because 582 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the focus, rightfully so on the Middle East. Now, 583 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: something you and I have talked about quite frequently is 584 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: the threat from China. Are we keeping an eye on 585 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: China and are they trying to use the current situations 586 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: of their advantage. 587 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 11: Well, there's no doubt, but in some ways they're in 588 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 11: a bit of a buying because they get the majority 589 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 11: of their oil through the Strait of Horror moves, and 590 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 11: obviously President Trump is well aware of that. You know, 591 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 11: they've been allowing Iran in many ways to obfuscate the 592 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 11: sanctions that are input in place. They've been buying their oil, 593 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 11: which has funded the regime and the moulahs in Tehran 594 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 11: that have been anesthetical to the US around the globe. 595 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 11: So there is that bond there? But I think it's interesting, Tony. 596 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 11: We were watching closely to see when Israel and the 597 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 11: United States took out what's called Operation Epic Fury. When 598 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 11: we started that, there was some thought that China would 599 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 11: come in defend Iran. We're watching that. That has not 600 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 11: happened obviously in Russia is not defending Iran on that. 601 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 11: But make no mistake about it, China needs to be watched, 602 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 11: needs to be monitored. I say this often, Tony. China 603 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 11: has a play and to replace the United States. They're 604 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 11: working at it every day. From a national security standpoint, 605 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 11: from a technology standpoint, from an economic standpoint, from a 606 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 11: diplomatic standpoint. We continue to watch and monitor. As you know, 607 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 11: President Trump was supposed to go there at the end 608 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 11: of March. That's been now postponed. It looks like till May. 609 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 11: But in the South China Sea, their provocation when it 610 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 11: comes to Taiwan. These are things we continue to monitor 611 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 11: on a daily basis. But it should be a wake 612 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 11: up call to China that what happened in Venezuela, what 613 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 11: is happening in Iran, what could happen in Cuba? You 614 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 11: better be very very careful about what you do in Taiwan. 615 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 11: As you know, Tony, we have porcupined out Taiwan with 616 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 11: lots of weaponry there. We're going to continue to watch 617 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 11: and monitor that situation, but Hijinpink should tread very carefully 618 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 11: on any ideas regarding Taiwan. 619 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: Congress Mendlihood, thanks so much for joining us. Always great 620 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: to see if folks stick with us. We're back with 621 00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: more after this. Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. 622 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm your host Tony Perkins. Well, last week I spoke 623 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: one of, if not the most difficult messages of my life. 624 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: But in another sense, it was one of the easiest 625 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: because I was speaking about my father. As I conducted 626 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: his funeral, I reflected on a life defined by faith 627 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: in Jesus Christ, devotion to his family, and a deep 628 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: love for this country. But as I've thought more about it, 629 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: I realized something. His life wasn't just a story for 630 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: us to remember. It was a model that we need 631 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: to recover, especially today, because we're living in a time 632 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: when the role of a father is being diminished, redefined, 633 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: or abandoned altogether, and the consequences are all around us now. 634 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: My father wasn't a perfect man, but he was a 635 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: present man. And I'm hard pressed to remember a time 636 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: when he wasn't there for his family, his responsibilities, and 637 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: for those moments that really mattered. You See, presence is powerful. 638 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: You can outsource many things in life, but you cannot 639 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: outsource fatherhood. You cannot delegate it to a school, to 640 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: a screen, or to a system. A father must be there, 641 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: but presence alone is not enough. My father also understood 642 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: that faith was not something you simply claimed. It was 643 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: something you lived. As scripture states, faith without works is dead. 644 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: He didn't just talk about the Bible. He taught it, 645 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,959 Speaker 1: but more importantly, he modeled it. Like the one winter 646 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: day he came home without his only overcoat, having come 647 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: upon an accident. A first responder by nature, he wrapped 648 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: the critically injured man in his coat to prevent shock. 649 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 5: Now that's not theory. 650 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: That's compassion and action, and that's what children remember, and 651 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: that's what shapes them. 652 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 5: There was also. 653 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: Discipline, not the kind our culture often rejects, but the 654 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: kind that forms character. I was a boy, my father 655 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: gave me what I thought was a punishment, to read 656 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: a chapter of Proverbs every day. What I didn't realize 657 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: at the time was that he wasn't just correcting my behavior. 658 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: He was building a foundation. Because a father's responsibility is 659 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: not merely to raise children, but to prepare them, to 660 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: prepare them for life, to prepare them for truth, and 661 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: ultimately to prepare them for eternity. That's where the deeper 662 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: issue lies. We're not just facing a crisis of culture. 663 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: We're facing a crisis of formation, and it all begins 664 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: in the home. Fathers, your role is irreplaceable. You're called 665 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: to lead not with domination, but with devotion, to love 666 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: your wife, to invest in your children, to stand for 667 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: what is right, to help those in need, and to 668 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: live in such a way that your life becomes a 669 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: testimony your children cannot ignore. But that kind of life 670 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: doesn't happen and by accident. It requires intentionality, and it 671 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: requires surrender to God. See, my father's life changed when 672 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: he encountered Jesus Christ, and I was there and I 673 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: saw it. And over time that transformation became evident, not 674 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: in perfection, but in the direction that he took as 675 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: a man. He became a man marked by humility, compassion, 676 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: and grace. And that is the kind of legacy that lasts, 677 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: and that is the kind of legacy our nation desperately needs. 678 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: Fathers who choose to be present, who choose to be faithful, 679 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 1: and who choose to lead, because in reality, the future 680 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: of our nation. 681 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 5: Is not in the hands of Washington. 682 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: It is in the hands of fathers, and that, my friends, 683 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: has been this week on Capitol Hill.