WEBVTT - Timeless Wisdom: Male/Female Hour - Jealousy

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<v Speaker 2>I am old fashioned. I like two sexes. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of a sudden, I don't like being

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<v Speaker 2>married to what is known as a new woman. I

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<v Speaker 2>want a wife, not a competitor, competator, competitor.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about a bit, this crying in the morning thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's depression, you know, Let's get that fixed. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>men think, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>What Unless you've got the answer, unless you can say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>This bloke in the essex radical fix that, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>no point bothering.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you write women so well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think of a man and I take away reason

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<v Speaker 1>and accountability.

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<v Speaker 2>I love him, I love him and I don't care

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<v Speaker 2>what you think.

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<v Speaker 5>I love him for the for the man he wants

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<v Speaker 5>to be, and I love him for the man that

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<v Speaker 5>he almost is.

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<v Speaker 6>What do people have rowse about him?

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<v Speaker 1>Money?

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<v Speaker 3>Sex, sex, money he wants, she doesn't want.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants, he doesn't want women. I've always been a

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<v Speaker 2>big problem to me, doctor Fusspend.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you listening, doctor, Yes, yes, yes, go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Gone, doctor fuss Bend my hero. Hi everybody, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>Male Female Hour on the Dennis Prager Show. And I

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<v Speaker 2>love this hour, and I know many of you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I have three dedicated hours on the show pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>what I call come Hella high Water hours. We talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this subject. Male Female Hour is the second hour

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesdays, The Ultimate Issues Hour is the third hour

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday, and the Happiness Hour is the second hour

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<v Speaker 2>on on on Friday. Right, the Male Female Hour today

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<v Speaker 2>is on a subject that will hit some of you unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>right between the eyes. And I would like to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you because perhaps you and I together can help

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<v Speaker 2>people understand a rather complex element in the male female relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the big j. What's the big J? Jealousy? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you might expect me to say that it is not

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. You got to learn to control it,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have a much happier life. Well, you're right about

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<v Speaker 2>the second two, but not about the first one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you do have to learn to control it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>will have a much happier life. But it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing entirely. The problem with jealousy is degree, not existence.

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<v Speaker 2>Get it. That's the key here. Listen. If there is

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<v Speaker 2>none whatsoever, if it can never be provoked between two people,

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<v Speaker 2>then I think I think that there is some degree

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<v Speaker 2>of love, or at least romantic love missing. If it truly,

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<v Speaker 2>if it truly means nothing. I one is uh. One's

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<v Speaker 2>wife is uh. You know, spending time with different men

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<v Speaker 2>and speaking about them, but it provokes nothing because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>while I just trust my wife. Well, the issue is

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<v Speaker 2>not trusting your wife or trusting your husband. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>separate issue. The issue is do you feel any jealousy?

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<v Speaker 2>And the truth is that you ought to. The question

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<v Speaker 2>is how much and how easily is it triggered? That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's the issue. I mean, there are men and there

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<v Speaker 2>are women, and I think that this seems to run

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<v Speaker 2>and this is purely anecdotal in my experience talking to people,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems to run fifty to fifty. Sometimes it is

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<v Speaker 2>the man who is over controlling and who is jealous

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<v Speaker 2>of the slightest degree of interaction between his wife and

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<v Speaker 2>another man. And sometimes it is the woman who is

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<v Speaker 2>overreacting and who is deeply upset by any interaction between

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<v Speaker 2>her husband and another woman. I have not found this

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<v Speaker 2>to be sex based as in gender based one eight

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<v Speaker 2>Prager seven seven six. You can start calling now because

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<v Speaker 2>here is one of those times. This is one of

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<v Speaker 2>those times whence your examples and questions will be helpful

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<v Speaker 2>to other people. My bottom line is that it is

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<v Speaker 2>there is an inevitability and a health to a certain

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<v Speaker 2>degree of jealousy that you will feel that feeling you

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<v Speaker 2>really love somebody.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean you act on it, it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>you control I'm talking about the feeling of jealousy. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>What you have to do, though, is to control it.

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<v Speaker 2>And here there are two people involved, at least in

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<v Speaker 2>helping you control if they're if they're simply if they

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelm you, or they are constant triggered by, as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>any interaction of your spouse with a member of the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite sex. To first, you have to help yourself be

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<v Speaker 2>Your spouse has to help you, and that is done

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<v Speaker 2>by regular reassurance in a in a in a in

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<v Speaker 2>a verbal, and whatever other way it takes of their

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<v Speaker 2>love for you, their exclusive love for you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy person doesn't care if his or her spouse

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<v Speaker 2>house interacts with members of the opposite sex. You care

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<v Speaker 2>if you feel that they are attracted. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean in the in the usual way men are attracted

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<v Speaker 2>to seventy two women a day, but but in any

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<v Speaker 2>any deeper sense than that. And uh, and that it threatens.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the fear. I mean, what is jealousy

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<v Speaker 2>but ultimately a fear that somebody is coming between my

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<v Speaker 2>loved one and me. Right, I mean, that's that's essentially

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<v Speaker 2>what jealousy is about. If you don't have that fear,

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<v Speaker 2>then then then it's meaningless. And so you have to

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<v Speaker 2>ask yourself rationally, is there really is there really that possibility?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there really that that that potential? You know, your

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<v Speaker 2>husband falls in love with an actress on the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I think that the jealousy is not

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<v Speaker 2>called for if he unless he's deeply unhealthy and starts

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<v Speaker 2>stalking her. It's it's it's a it's a fantasy joke.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, your wife goes, oh God, is he gorgeous? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, big deal. It's actually good. If your spouse

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<v Speaker 2>can say to you he's gorgeous or she's gorgeous, that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a healthy thing. Means you're not you're not hiding

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<v Speaker 2>your reactions. And my deepest belief is that the more

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<v Speaker 2>you share with your spouse, the better it is. But

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<v Speaker 2>that that's quite different than than obviously you know somebody

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<v Speaker 2>at work who becomes very involved quote unquote professionally in

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<v Speaker 2>life of your of your husband. Let's say, uh, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you know that it's and you can know it

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<v Speaker 2>is possible, you know it's a non issue. You know

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<v Speaker 2>she's she's no threat to to his love for you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the That's the issue of jealousy, as I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>is the threat that a person can pose to the

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<v Speaker 2>exclusivity of your relationship. But having said all that to

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<v Speaker 2>if it's absolutely absent, that's not good either. It gives

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<v Speaker 2>an edge attention that is good for a relationship. It

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<v Speaker 2>also helps, by the way, in doing something else, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is never taking your spouse for granted. If you

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<v Speaker 2>never ever feel any jealousy, it would seem to me

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<v Speaker 2>that you take for granted that your spouse will always

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<v Speaker 2>be with you and always love you, And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that that's healthy. That's the subject that I've covered

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<v Speaker 2>and will return to another time, because it's not nearly

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<v Speaker 2>often enough spoken about the taking for granted of a

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<v Speaker 2>spouse that people engage in as if you have tenure,

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<v Speaker 2>like a college professor, can't be fired. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>every spouse should think that they could be fired. In fact, alrighty,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go to let's go to some of your calls

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<v Speaker 2>here one eighth Prager seven to seven to six, and

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<v Speaker 2>let's go to Cleveland, Ohio and Scott. Hello, Scott, Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Dennis, boy, is a real pleasure talking to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to you for a long time, first time calling in.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been with my wife in one form or another

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty five years. We started dating when we were seventeen,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was tended to be quite jealous at that age,

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<v Speaker 3>almost problematic, and over time it's drifted away, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just sort of assumed it was something like a more

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<v Speaker 3>childhood attitude that she grew out of. Interested in what

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<v Speaker 3>other people say today on the subject, but there was

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<v Speaker 3>no real effort on my part to make it go

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<v Speaker 3>away other than enduring it, and in just overtime it

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<v Speaker 3>went away.

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<v Speaker 2>How long did you know each other prior to marriage?

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<v Speaker 3>I was in sixth grade with her. We really, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I knew her name and that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, let me ask you this, what age did you?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you marry twenty three? Okay, so there were six

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<v Speaker 2>years from seventeen to twenty three. And what I think

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<v Speaker 2>is marriage made her more secure than being boyfriend and girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>I suspected that as well. That like you said that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So let me let me say something. This

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<v Speaker 2>is very important. That's another benefit of marriage. I'll explain

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back. This is the Male Female Hour

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<v Speaker 2>on the Dennis Prager Show.

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<v Speaker 1>This episod of Timeless Wisdom. We'll continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, everybody, Dennis Prager hear the Male Female Hour each week,

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<v Speaker 2>this hour of the show on Wednesdays, and talking to

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<v Speaker 2>you today on the Male Female Hour about jealousy. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a good thing, but it is a bad thing

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<v Speaker 2>when uncalled for or when it becomes terribly controlling, obsessive,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. In other words, if it doesn't exist, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not good, and if it exists too much, it's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>Like much of life, this is not exactly different from

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<v Speaker 2>much of life. That a moderate amount of something is

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<v Speaker 2>probably good and an excessive amount is bad. But some

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<v Speaker 2>people might think that it's good if it doesn't exist

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<v Speaker 2>at all. And if with that view, if you really

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<v Speaker 2>love somebody and you are married to that person in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>then an a certain exclusivity is definitional to the marital state.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why the last call from Cleveland was so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>He was with the woman that became his wife from

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen to twenty three, then married. She was very jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>Then with marriage she became much less jealous, as indeed

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<v Speaker 2>she ought to be in marriage that you have made

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<v Speaker 2>it a formal commitment, a formal and legal commitment to exclusivity. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>jealousy should be reduced. Now it comes up though in

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<v Speaker 2>so many different ways. A man looks a man looks

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<v Speaker 2>at another woman, and again it is moderation. Men look

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<v Speaker 2>at women. That is the way we are made. It

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<v Speaker 2>is as instinctive as smelling a nice flower or biting

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<v Speaker 2>into a yummy food. I mean, it is so basic that, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be a male to realize it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying women don't see attractive men, but come on,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest. Both women and men look more at women.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's just the way it is. And the

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<v Speaker 2>jealousy issue, Oh, he looked at another woman, or he

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at the women in Victoria's Secret catalog and

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<v Speaker 2>how men I am jealous. There's nothing that's usually an

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<v Speaker 2>unhealthy reaction. Now, of course, the reaction may be on

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<v Speaker 2>a far deeper issue than that, and that is that

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<v Speaker 2>you feel very insecure about your looks. Visa VI the

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<v Speaker 2>models of Victoria's Secret. If this is any consolation, every

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<v Speaker 2>woman is insecure of Visa VI, the models in Victoria's

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<v Speaker 2>Secret catalogs, or in Playboy or what have you. That's

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<v Speaker 2>another subject for another time. I can help women out

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<v Speaker 2>a great deal on that issue. As I have said

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over, overwhelmingly, women prefer men, prefer

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<v Speaker 2>at least healthy men. I can't speak for unhealthy men,

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<v Speaker 2>but for healthy men prefer a live woman that is

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<v Speaker 2>less than perfect to a perfect fantasy. All right, that

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<v Speaker 2>this should be. This is extremely important for women to

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<v Speaker 2>know this now. At the same time, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>a woman who takes care of her body and who

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<v Speaker 2>is married is saying in a very profound way to

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<v Speaker 2>her husband that I love you. All right. These are

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<v Speaker 2>very difficult issues to confront. That's exactly why somebody needs

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<v Speaker 2>to confront them, because they are usually evaded. But don't

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<v Speaker 2>be jealous of the fact in and of itself that

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<v Speaker 2>he has looked at these fantasy pictures or these women

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<v Speaker 2>or the catalog or what have you. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to more on the jealousy issue, and let's see here,

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of good calls. Uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>will stay in Cleveland and take uh take Steve Hello, Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Prager, Dennis Hello, Steve, Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I sure can.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I just had a headset on Yeah, one time

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<v Speaker 4>listener for some caller and good. This issue comes up

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<v Speaker 4>quite often. People accuse people being jealous when it's really envy,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think there needs to be a clarification about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, envy and jealousy are different. Envy is when you

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<v Speaker 2>want what somebody else has. Correct, Well, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>and even then technically that's coveting. But but envy is

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<v Speaker 2>you have I envy you your car, but there's no

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's exactly jealousy, right, but I.

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<v Speaker 4>Hear people like they use it interchangeably and where.

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<v Speaker 2>They do use it. Yeah, that's why I'm that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sticking just.

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<v Speaker 4>To the J word, right, And and so it's a

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<v Speaker 4>part of a relationship such as even the first commandment.

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<v Speaker 4>But I the Lord, I'm a jealous God because we

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<v Speaker 4>belong to him, and therefore when in a marriage relationship

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<v Speaker 4>we belong to each other the husband, by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, I thank you for I thank you for raising that, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>That that is, in fact a good example of how

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<v Speaker 2>a biblical idea has changed my life. Uh, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's a really good example. If God is jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>And I understand that these these are anthropomorphic terms used

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<v Speaker 2>because we are anthros, we are humans, and therefore human

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<v Speaker 2>like terms will be used. Nevertheless, how bad could it

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<v Speaker 2>be if God himself is jealous? God wants an exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>relationship and uh, and to which he is entitled, And

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<v Speaker 2>so I I think that, hey, if it's good for God,

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<v Speaker 2>by golly, it's good for us. So that was that

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<v Speaker 2>actually was a way in which I formulated by view

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<v Speaker 2>that jealousy in and of itself is not a bad thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but is it in fact but can be and is

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<v Speaker 2>a good thing. But of course there could be a

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<v Speaker 2>hell of a lot too much. Let's go to Arcadia,

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<v Speaker 2>California and Susan, Hi, Susan, Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, Dennis, love you your.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for both.

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<v Speaker 5>I have three points I thought I could make. One

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<v Speaker 5>is I've been married to a personal trainer for ten

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<v Speaker 5>years and pretty much most of his clients tell are women,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know they're wearing work.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh uh are you breaking up? There? Are you on

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<v Speaker 2>a are you traveling?

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<v Speaker 5>I just pulled over. Actually, I'm sorry, good.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, Okay. He's so, he's a personal trainer. Most of

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<v Speaker 2>his clients are women, and they're dressed. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>became garbled.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, And I said, there would have plenty of opportunity

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<v Speaker 5>for jealousy had my husband not have the character that

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<v Speaker 5>he has. And he is very very conscientious of our

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<v Speaker 5>intimacy and our relationship. And I hear from his clients

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<v Speaker 5>all the time how he glowingly speaks of his family

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<v Speaker 5>and his wife. So that has been very helpful.

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<v Speaker 7>But I do agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, go on, go on, go on.

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<v Speaker 5>I do agree with you that jealousy is not only

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<v Speaker 5>titillating in a relationship, but I think it's motivating, and

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<v Speaker 5>I can speak for myself that I had gotten a

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<v Speaker 5>little off track and taken care of myself and the

0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.040
<v Speaker 5>jealousy that I had motivated me to this year get

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<v Speaker 5>in shape and lose twenty pounds. So that was a

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<v Speaker 5>good thing. And my last point I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 5>is you did a show some months ago about men

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<v Speaker 5>and how they how they're wired and that they look

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<v Speaker 5>at women, and you said go home and tell your

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<v Speaker 5>husbands thank you for his fidelity.

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<v Speaker 3>And I did do.

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<v Speaker 5>That, and I think it was fabulous because my husband

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<v Speaker 5>just brightened up and like the change in the space

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<v Speaker 5>was amazing and he said, Wow, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 5>for acknowledging that and seeing that. So I have to

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<v Speaker 5>thank you, Dennis for that.

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<v Speaker 2>You made my day. Uh, I'm really I'm so I

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell you how happy I am. I'll explain why

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back. One eight Prager seven seven six

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<v Speaker 2>is the Male Female.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour this episode of Timeless Wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom bullets.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to play. This is Dennis Prager. Hi, everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like showing to play. Do you have it ready?

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<v Speaker 2>From that spot good. I want you to hear the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the last call from this woman in Arcadia, California.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's in her forties.

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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, my last and I wanted to make is

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<v Speaker 5>You did a show some months ago about men and

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<v Speaker 5>how they're wired and that they look at women, and

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<v Speaker 5>you said go home and tell your husband thank you

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<v Speaker 5>for his fidelity. And I did do that, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think it was fabulous because my husband just brightened up

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<v Speaker 5>and like the change in his face was amazing, and

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<v Speaker 5>he said, Wow, thank you so much for acknowledging that

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<v Speaker 5>and seeing that. So I have to thank you, Dennis

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<v Speaker 5>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, one thing that comes to my mind

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<v Speaker 2>immediately is that what was what was the lady's name?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it Anita? What was her name? I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to try to find that chan sall be able to

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<v Speaker 2>refer to her properly. I bet that she never went

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<v Speaker 2>to graduate school. I mean that utterly, sincerely, And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you why, at least in the liberal arts. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason is because of the distorted reality that is

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<v Speaker 2>given over to women in particular, but to both sexes

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<v Speaker 2>in the vast majority of cases, in the vast majority

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<v Speaker 2>of universities, and that the longer you're exposed to this

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<v Speaker 2>distorted view of life, the more pernicious its effects. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what you would have been taught. A woman with

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<v Speaker 2>a graduate degree would probably sneer at this notion that

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<v Speaker 2>a woman would say to her husband, thank you, honey,

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<v Speaker 2>for being faithful. I know the battle that you have

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<v Speaker 2>on an almost daily basis because of your it's susan. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you again, Susan. They would sneer at this because,

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<v Speaker 2>first you know, anything to thank a man for anything

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<v Speaker 2>distinctive is immediately as something that you don't do. But secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>why should I thank him? He should be thanking me

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<v Speaker 2>just as much I have the same battles for a

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<v Speaker 2>fidelity that he does. This is the drivel, the utter,

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<v Speaker 2>and total. It's not even partially true. It's partially true

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<v Speaker 2>for some women. Of course, it's even fully true for

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<v Speaker 2>some women. Unhappily married women who stay faithful and who

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<v Speaker 2>are who are sought by men do have this battle.

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<v Speaker 2>But men have this battle even when they are in love,

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<v Speaker 2>even when things are good. And so look look look

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<v Speaker 2>at how that contributed to her marriage. The other thing

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>she said, which was so powerful, which is show what

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy woman she is, is that her jealousy of

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<v Speaker 2>her husband, the trainer, was motivated her to get in shape.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy works with women, you know in

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<v Speaker 2>Leotard's All Day. It's a good idea, It is a

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<v Speaker 2>very good idea. But there's a third point there that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about. The subject of today's Male Female Hour

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<v Speaker 2>is jealousy. And here was a great example of where

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<v Speaker 2>A he did not foster it. She made that clear

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and men and men should not foster it, nor should

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<v Speaker 2>women obviously. But B where she took that emotion and

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<v Speaker 2>instead of pickling it and getting angry over it, it

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<v Speaker 2>motivated her. That's that's a great credit that there. The

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 2>credit goes to Susan. There's a very significant call. I

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 2>don't usually review calls like that. All right, let me

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<v Speaker 2>take some more here. Glendora, California, Bernard, Hello, Bernard, Dennis Praeger.

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<v Speaker 7>Hello, how are you? Dennis Scala?

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<v Speaker 2>One to tennis? Seven point eight?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, then I hope you were carry up to our

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<v Speaker 7>eight to.

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<v Speaker 2>Live and I don't seek that seven point eight is

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<v Speaker 2>darn good?

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<v Speaker 7>Go ahead, all right, well, well listen, My comment is

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<v Speaker 7>that I think the extent that we have premarital sex

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<v Speaker 7>in our society undermines the element of trust between a

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 7>husband and wife, and in that process it contributes to jealousy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have heard this my whole life. I

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<v Speaker 2>have never for a second related to it. So stay

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<v Speaker 2>on with me and tell me why I never got it.

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I never got it, and I may be atypical, I fully,

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just being open with you, folks. So Bernard will

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<v Speaker 2>explain why when we come back one to eight Praguer

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<v Speaker 2>seven seven six, Hi, everybody, Dennis Prager. Here, the subject

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<v Speaker 2>is jealousy, and it is a good thing in moderation.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a bad thing when irrational and obsessive and

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<v Speaker 2>and and destructive, et cetera. You have to know when

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:53.679
<v Speaker 2>again the mind believe it or not. Even here, the

0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 2>mind has to ultimately be in control. But the absence,

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the complete absence of jealousy is not good either. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to return to Bernard in a moment, but

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to remind you, based on the on

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the marriage improving advice I gave that the woman Susan

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<v Speaker 2>Bernard raises an issue here that I have heard my

0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:02.760
<v Speaker 2>whole life and I have not personally related to and that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean I may be the freak here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just being open. I'm not being argumentative or even

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<v Speaker 2>taking issue with. Bernard says that in this age where

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<v Speaker 2>premarital relations are so common, that has that has increase

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 2>the amount of jealousy between husbands and wives because so

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 2>many husbands and wives had sexual partners prior to the

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<v Speaker 2>person that they married.

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<v Speaker 7>Correct, yes, yes, yes, okay the reason even among themselves.

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<v Speaker 7>It undermines trust if they've only had each other as

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 7>partners even prior to my marriage, because.

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<v Speaker 2>If you did it with me, then you probably did

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<v Speaker 2>it with somebody else.

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<v Speaker 7>Well no, no, it just shows that you don't have

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 7>the character and self discipline. Now, what I would argue

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 7>is that if humanity is designed in the image of God.

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<v Speaker 7>Each of God's character traits and his nature is most

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<v Speaker 7>accurately understood within the context and limits of all the others.

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<v Speaker 7>And so if fidelity is both pre and post marriage,

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<v Speaker 7>it is undermine the totality of character.

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<v Speaker 2>What does fidelity pre marriage mean? How can what fidelity

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<v Speaker 2>outside of marriage?

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<v Speaker 4>Faithful?

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<v Speaker 7>Pre marriage is like abstaining from sexual activity.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's not fidelity. That's chastity.

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 7>Chastity that is being faithful to hope with a character trait.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, you're mixing the word. That's why we

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:48.959
<v Speaker 2>have to be precise here. That's just not accurate. Fidelity

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>is to somebody. Can't be faithful to a trait? I

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>mean you can, but it makes no sense. If somebody

0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 2>is watches his money, is he faithful? He's a very

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>faithful man. What is he faithful to his bank account?

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I come on, This is when religion doesn't look sophisticated.

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I believe deeply that we're created in God's image. I

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 2>also I also have a different understanding of the concept.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Like God, we know good and evil. That that's how

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I understand. The animals are not created in God's image.

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't know good and evil. We have moral choice.

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Animals don't anyway, That's how I understand it. But but

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>putting that away. Faithful is to somebody, or you could

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>be faithful to God if you will, but we're talking

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 2>with humans. Fidelity means faithful to a person. Okay. I

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.719
<v Speaker 2>think Bernard's first issue is an illegit one. A lot

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>of people feel jealousy visa viv the lover or lovers

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>that somebody had prior to marriage. My view is that

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 2>if they really love you, and you know that, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see any reason and I do believe that reason

0:29:55.160 --> 0:30:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and and and and the mind must play the dominant

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>role here. And I I I'm debating on this, you know,

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>how transparent here and what to say? I look, my

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>view is in we we'll talk about this. And I've said

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>this many times and I've told my kids this. I

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 2>believe that people should be should have some sexual relations

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>prior to marriage, but not intercourse. I believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>line should stop at intercourse. That's the ideal, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's what I that's what I believe, because

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<v Speaker 2>when there is no sexual contact, you have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what your chemistry is and it may be a disaster

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<v Speaker 2>once you're married, and I am more interested in preventing

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<v Speaker 2>divorce than I am in preventing any sexual contact prior

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<v Speaker 2>to marriage. That's but intercourse I hold has a a

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<v Speaker 2>sacred status, if you will, and so that there are

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<v Speaker 2>many ways of knowing whether you can sexually relate without

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<v Speaker 2>that specific act. So that's my position. Having said that,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never been of the school of you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a virgin. I don't never you know, the preoccupation

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<v Speaker 2>with virginity strikes me is literally primitive. Others will have

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<v Speaker 2>different views. But to be jealous of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were intimate with my wife or my husband before we

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<v Speaker 2>ever met and he chose me, I would think the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that you would say, look, he's had

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<v Speaker 2>all these other women, or she's had all these other

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<v Speaker 2>men and she chose me. She's not married to those men, right,

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<v Speaker 2>she married me. He's not married to those women. He

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<v Speaker 2>married me. Now, if the guy walks around or in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the night he's mumbling, you know, Erica, Erica,

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<v Speaker 2>and your name is Jennifer, okay, that's an issue. But

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<v Speaker 2>unless it's prompted by something as obvious that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>non issue. You know, you know, this is to me

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<v Speaker 2>one of those examples of gratuitous misery. There's enough to

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<v Speaker 2>be miserable about in real life without concocting ghosts to

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<v Speaker 2>be jealous of. All right, I'll take more of your

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<v Speaker 2>calls when we come back again. The number four the

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<v Speaker 2>thirty male female hours is eight hundred two two five

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five eighty four. Back in a moment on Dennis Preigner.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of timeless Wisdom. We'll continue right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to more of Dennis Prager's timeless wisdom.

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<v Speaker 2>You Sigma, I say hello? Why are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Sagamar say hello?

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<v Speaker 2>I say hello too, Dennis Prager. Here. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the number I gave out is just for the CDs

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<v Speaker 2>and that are available not to get on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight hundred and two to two five eight five eight

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<v Speaker 2>four is for what I mentioned earlier in any other CDs.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, just you should know not to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>me and not to speak on the air. Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>let me go to more calls. Jealousy is the subject.

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<v Speaker 2>This is clearly a very very significant issue. And let's

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<v Speaker 2>go to Mark in Glendora, California. Hi, Mark, Dennis Prager.

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<v Speaker 6>Dennis Good, My question, or is what's your explanation for

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<v Speaker 6>when a woman or a man are jealous of their

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<v Speaker 6>partner's best friend who is the same sex, and they're

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<v Speaker 6>not threatened by sexual orientation or whether they're going to

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<v Speaker 6>have sex with each other or that?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Is that because are you the friend or

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<v Speaker 2>are you the husband?

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<v Speaker 6>It's not. I don't have a case. I'm not in

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<v Speaker 6>the relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, but you've seen this happen. Is that why

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<v Speaker 2>you're asking?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've seen in some of my previous relationships for

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<v Speaker 6>some of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, so here very simply, there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time. So let me just very quickly say this.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times where there can be there can be

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<v Speaker 2>some legitimacy to such jealousy. If vastly great greater amounts

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<v Speaker 2>of time are spent with the friend. If if you're

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<v Speaker 2>home and you're in bed with your wife and you

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<v Speaker 2>call up your friend for a half hour in bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and you do that regularly, I could see where the

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<v Speaker 2>wife would have a reason for jealousy. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>time that I have encountered this, it is it has

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<v Speaker 2>not been triggered, but or rather as a perhaps an

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<v Speaker 2>irrational part of a desire to own own the husband

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<v Speaker 2>or the wife. I think it's a magnificent thing. If

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<v Speaker 2>my wife has girlfriends, I love them. I love that

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<v Speaker 2>she likes them. But yes, I could imagine that if

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<v Speaker 2>if truly I felt the time for me were in

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<v Speaker 2>great amounts taken away, Yes I would. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>a jealous reaction, not of them, but of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I could see that a a woman. But what

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<v Speaker 2>you do is you embrace the friend and then bring

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<v Speaker 2>them into into your joint life. Jane in Henderson, Texas,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a few seconds. You say, your husband goes

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<v Speaker 2>one step further than just looking at women. What is

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<v Speaker 2>that step?

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<v Speaker 7>If he sees someone that he thinks is attractive, he

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<v Speaker 7>instead of walking around him, he'll bump into him or

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<v Speaker 7>they have to turn and look at him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, all right, Yeah I need to talk to him, Jane,

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<v Speaker 2>I really do that. I agree. I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>know what example you could give. I would love you

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<v Speaker 2>to call in on Friday, when people can call in

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<v Speaker 2>on anything. I'd love to talk to you about this.

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