1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week on Capitol Hill, your insider's guide 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: to the story shaping Washington and the world. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Perkins. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 3: We're going to hit them extremely hard over the next 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 3: two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 3: to the Stone Ages where they belong. 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: That was President Donald Trump in a primetime addrafts to 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: the Nation on Wednesday, outlining the administration's case for its 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: actions in Iran. We'll have more on that with North 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Dakota Senator Kevin Kramer. And a major decision for the 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Supreme Court this week. 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 4: Today, the Supreme Court issued a decisive win for free speech, 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: families and common sense. It condemned Colorado's unconstitutional censorship on 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 4: counseling conversations. In this ruling, the Court held that counseling 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 4: conversations are speech protected by the First Amendment, and that 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: Colorado's law targeted the viewpoint of people like Hayley and 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 4: her clients. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: That was Alliance Freedom Chief legal counsel Jim Campbell, who 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: argued Chiles Versus Salazar before the Court. He'll join us 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: later for insight into the decision and what it means 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: and is a resolution. Finally, insight for the ongoing shutdown 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: of the Department of Homeland Security. House Majority Leader Steeve 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: Scalise joins us with the latest plus will reflect on 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: remarks from Pope Leo in his Palm Sunday Homily. 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 5: But other than s does this is all good? 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 6: Jesus, King of Peace, who rejects Woo, whom no one 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 6: can use justify war. He does not listen to the 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 6: prayers of those who wait wol, but rejects them. 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: All of that and more on this edition of This 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: Week on Capitol Hill. 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: Today's edition of This Week on Capitol Hill is being 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: presented by aarp. 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 5: Well. 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: As the partial government shutdown entered it's seventh week, with 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: Congress on eastern recess, much of the nation's attention turned 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: to the US Supreme Court and what appears to be 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: a historic first, a sitting president attended oral arguments. President 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was present for the opening session of Trump 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: versus Barbara, a case that could have far reaching implications 40 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: for how the Constitution's citizenship clause is understood. At the 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: center of the case is a twenty twenty five executive 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: order issued by President Trump that seeks to limit automatic 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: birth right citizenship for children who were born in the 44 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: United States if their parents are either in the country 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: illegally or present only temporarily. Supporters argue that the order 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: restores the original meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment. Critics contend 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: it challenges more than a century of legal precedent. So 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: what is exactly at stake in this case and how 49 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: might the court rule? Joining me now to break this 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: down is Casey Harper, who's with the Washington stand. Casey'll 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: come back to this week on Capitol Hill. 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 7: Thanks Tony. 53 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 8: I'm very much looking forward to what you have to 54 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 8: say about the Pope's comments, but I'll stay on top 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 8: of care. 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 7: Promise. 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's focus first on the court and then we'll 58 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: go to We'll go to the Pope a little bit later. 59 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the details of this case. 60 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: It's quite significant that a president sitting president actually went 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: into the courtroom as this as the oral arguments began. 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 7: You know, that's right. 63 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 8: Historians said, that's the first We've never had a president 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 8: go and sit. 65 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 7: Now, he didn't stay for the entire proceedings. 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 8: He listened to the opening arguments for his side and 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 8: then got back to presidential business. But it did show 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 8: how much this is a priority to the president. And hey, 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 8: immigration has been a big priority for President Trump. And 70 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 8: I know you remember those flurry of executive orders when 71 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 8: he took office. Many of them have been challenged in court, 72 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 8: and this is just another one of those. And this 73 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 8: one said you're only an American citizen if at least 74 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 8: one of your parents are citizens. I mean, there's more 75 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 8: nuance to it, but that's the basic idea. 76 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 7: Now it's been. 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 8: Blocked repeatedly in the lower courts and now as the 78 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 8: Supreme Court, where generally it did not The perception was 79 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 8: that it did not farewell if you watch the hearings. 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 8: But of course we can't get ahead of the justices here. 81 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: So what was really at the heart of this debate 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: that is taking place over the fourteenth Amendment. 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 8: Well, yeah, it's the fourteenth and Amendment in particular, and 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 8: there's this sentence that it says, all persons born or 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 8: naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 8: thereof are citizens of the United States and of any 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 8: state wherein they reside. And so for those who support 88 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 8: you know, birthright citizenship, they say that's a slam dunk. 89 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 8: It clearly says, you know, they're citizens. But those on 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 8: the President's side and who are concerned about abuses of 91 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 8: birthright citizenship, of which there are many we can talk about. 92 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 8: They said that this phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof 93 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 8: is really important and basically creates a carve out. 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 7: Within the fourteenth Amendment. 95 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 8: And they would argue that if someone's visiting from France, 96 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 8: isn't in town for the weekend, and they have, you know, 97 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 8: the wife's nine months pregnant, she has her baby, are 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 8: they really subject to the jurisdiction of the US. 99 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 7: Aren't they just visiting? 100 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 8: And then you kind of take that logic you apply 101 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 8: it to illegal immigrants or anchor babies or even you know, 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 8: we've seen congressional hearings about members of the Chinese Communist 103 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 8: Party coming and intentionally having their children here to have 104 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 8: dual citizenship, and so the fourteenth Amendment. 105 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 7: The crux of the. 106 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 8: Administration's case was that the fourteenth Amendment was written long 107 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 8: before they could even conceive of millions of illegal immigrants 108 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 8: or somebody being able to hop on a plane and 109 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 8: be in. 110 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 7: The US within a few hours. 111 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: To me, it kind of sounds like common sense, But 112 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't that's not something that is quite common. 113 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about let's talk about something else. 114 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: The administration this week really set off a firestorm from 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: pro lifers when they decided to continue Title TEND funding 116 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: family planning funding to plan parenthood for another year, despite 117 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: efforts to restrict such funding by Congress and a push 118 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: from pro lifers to do that. 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: What's driving this decision. 120 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 8: Well, what's driving it kind of depends on who you ask, Tony. 121 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 8: If you ask the White House, they'll say, well, the 122 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 8: legal challenges here are too difficult. We're running out of 123 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 8: time to even do this. But we're losing to plan 124 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 8: parenthood on this one, and let's just sit this year 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 8: out and then in the next five years we'll set 126 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 8: it up to be more pro life for the other side. 127 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 8: And the pro lifers were very upset and loud on 128 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 8: this one. If you're following them, and I know you are, 129 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 8: but just for the audience and the critics there, they say, 130 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 8: the White House is once again neglecting the concerns of 131 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 8: pro lifers, maybe to avoid the political fight that they think, 132 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 8: for whatever reason, they don't want to take on. We've 133 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 8: seen the similar thing with things like the abortion pill Tony, 134 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 8: which for whatever reason, they haven't wanted to take on strongly. 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 7: Even though they clearly have the power before the. 136 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 8: End of the show to totally get pro lifers a 137 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 8: huge win on that. 138 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a correct assessment of this. 139 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: If this were a one off where we had the 140 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: restoration of the funding to plan parent are waving a 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: white flag on the fight to defund them, that would 142 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: be one thing. But when you take it in its totality, 143 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: with the remaining Biden era policy on the MEFA Prestone, 144 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: the abortion drug being shipped into states pro life states 145 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: all across the country. When you do that, when you 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: look at that in its totality, I think there's reasons 147 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: for pro lifers to be concerned. 148 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think a lot of the message that 149 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 8: I'm hearing from pro lifers has been, Hey, President Trump, 150 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 8: you have had some wins, but you called yourself the 151 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 8: most pro life president in history. 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 7: Now it's time to act like it. 153 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 8: To live up to the title you've given yourself. And 154 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 8: so far, for whatever reason, we haven't seen that this 155 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 8: time around. We haven't seen that willingness in the typical Trump, 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 8: you know, courageous style to take on you know, tough 157 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 8: issues head on. He's done it on the Iran war, 158 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 8: took a courageous stance and went in ring dad what 159 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 8: had to be done. He's done it on DEI. He's 160 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 8: done it on many issues, but on whatever reason, pro 161 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 8: lifers are still waiting for President Trump to do that 162 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 8: on their. 163 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: Issue, another court issue. And I'm going to talk more 164 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: about this with ADF's turned at mister Campbell on this 165 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: a little bit later. But on Tuesday, the Supreme Court 166 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: announced a decision in a Colorado case that struck a 167 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: significant blow against the States ban on so called conversion therapy, 168 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: which is actually talk therapy. 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: Tell us more about this decision. 170 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's funny. 171 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 8: I was at the Supreme Court covering this case for 172 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 8: the Washington Stand and I met some people from Baton 173 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 8: Rouge and they're actually big fans of yours, Tony. So 174 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 8: I thought i'd tell you that they wanted me to 175 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 8: give you. 176 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 7: A shout out. 177 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 8: But I say that because when I explained the details 178 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 8: of this case to them, they said, well, isn't this 179 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 8: common sense? I mean, how could you see this any 180 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 8: other way? And why do they give that reaction? Well, 181 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 8: because Colorado passed the law that essentially banned counselors from 182 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 8: taking a biblical worldview on sexuality. Now, the Supreme Court 183 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 8: has ruled that this was a violation of the First Amendment, 184 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 8: and the justices found that Colorado's law was allowing certain 185 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 8: viewpoints and supporting them. 186 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 7: While preventing others. 187 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 8: And it is an important note here, but they ruling 188 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 8: found that talk therapy with you know, biblical counseling and 189 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 8: other kinds of counseling is protected by the First Amendment. 190 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 8: And that's really big and that's going to have big 191 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 8: implications for a lot of other states. But to a 192 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 8: lot of people like your fans I met outside of 193 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 8: the Supreme Court, this was a no brainer. 194 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's good to know that I have some fans. 195 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about one final question for you 196 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: or topic is very few things pull Americans together and 197 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, have that raw ra moment. 198 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: For the nation. 199 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: But I think we saw one this week with NASA 200 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: launching Artemis two. 201 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 7: We did. 202 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 8: It was really cool to see that. I mean, it's 203 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 8: a unifying moment. I think one thing that it's good 204 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 8: to have things that remind you that to be proud 205 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 8: to be an American. So many people are attacking America 206 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 8: these days, especially on the left, calling us some kind 207 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 8: of evil country. 208 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 7: That's like the. 209 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 8: Whole theory of CRT and DEI is that America's evil 210 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 8: always has been as irredeemable. So it's really great to 211 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 8: get moments like this where we can rally together. 212 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: So what makes this mission different twenty five seconds left? 213 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 8: Well, I think that it comes at a time when 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 8: a lot of people giving up on going back to 215 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 8: the moon. And so now it's not just this mission, 216 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 8: it's giving hope that there's more missions to come. 217 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: All right, Casey Harper with the Washington stand things, so 218 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: much for joining us. Thanks Tony, And if I had time, 219 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: I would sing Frank Sinatra's rendition of flying Me to 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: the Moon. But fortunately for you, we're out of time 221 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: in this break. But when we come back North, Dakota 222 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: Senator Kevin Kramer will join us to discuss the latest 223 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: regarding Iran and the President's speech this week to the nations, 224 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: don't go away. 225 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 9: Americans may not agree on much, but we agree on 226 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 9: social Security. We all pay in it ought to be 227 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 9: there when we need it. Social Security could face a 228 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 9: funding gap in less than a decade, and I don't want. 229 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: To see a pay cut. 230 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 9: I'm with AARP in the fight to protect the social 231 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 9: security we earned. 232 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 10: Pledge to protect social Security at AARP dot org slash 233 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 10: we earned it. That's AARP dot org slash. 234 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 5: We earned it. Paid for by AARP. 235 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. I'm your 236 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: host Tony Perkins. Well, on Wednesday night, President Trump delivered 237 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: a primetime address as military operations in Iran, known as 238 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: Operation Epic Fury, began their second month and their roughly 239 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: twenty minute speech, the President highlighted US military accomplishments while 240 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: insisting the Iranian regime will not develop nuclear weapons on 241 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: his watch. Joining us now to discuss this and more. 242 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: As North Dakota Senator Kevin Kramer, he serves on the 243 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: Senate Armed Services Committee. Senator Kramer, Welcome to this week 244 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill. 245 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 5: Great to be with you. Thanks, Tony. 246 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: So, I want to get your thoughts, your analysis on 247 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: President Trump's speech Wednesday night. 248 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 11: Well, I thought it was an excellent speech. For one thing, 249 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 11: I don't think you can remind Americans enough why it 250 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 11: was important that he did what he did and why 251 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 11: we're doing what we're doing the forty seven year history 252 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 11: you know, of us just sort of caving to Iran 253 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 11: has been brutal on Americans around the world. 254 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 5: That's been brutal on the world, and. 255 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 11: I think it's important that he does that on a 256 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 11: regular basis, and by the way, it's consistent with what 257 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 11: he's done since well since Epic Fury began, you know, 258 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 11: some five months or five weeks ago, and I just 259 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 11: think that's important he did that well. The other thing, though, 260 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 11: is I think people have to remember it because I 261 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 11: do sometimes read and see the critics out there that 262 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 11: when he's talking to the American people, he's also talking 263 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 11: to the world to include the Ranian regime. And I 264 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 11: think he did an excellent job of first of all 265 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 11: setting some parameters, letting people know that it's coming nearing 266 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 11: a conclusion, and I think that's accurate, but also letting 267 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 11: the regime know that they'll determine when it's over. They'll 268 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 11: determine it by their actions, and that the bombing will 269 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 11: stop when we get a deal, not a deal will 270 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 11: determine when the bombing stops, you know. It's really I 271 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 11: just think it was a fantastic message, carefully crafted, and 272 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 11: I know that a lot of our friends on the 273 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 11: left and a lot of the people in the media 274 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 11: want the details of the battle plan. They want to 275 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 11: know every you know, every date and every number of 276 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 11: troops and what's the next day going to look like. 277 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 11: But I think he did a good job of communicating 278 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 11: to the world. 279 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: Well to that last point, it is important to understand, 280 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: as you said, he's talking to two audiences, not you, 281 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: the American people, but he's sending a message to the 282 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: regime there in Iran, so you can't tell them everything. 283 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: I want to play a short clip for the president. 284 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: As he was. 285 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Talking about where Iran was in their rebuilding of their arsenal. 286 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: They were also rapidly building a vast stockpile of conventional 287 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: ballistic missiles and would soon have had missiles that could 288 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: reach the American homeland, Europe, and virtually any other place 289 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: on Earth. 290 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: You know, he talked about how Operation Midnight Hammer had 291 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: decimated their nuclear capabilities, but that they had quickly shifted 292 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: and were rebuilding. And we're aggressively pursuing both the nuclear 293 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: program and these conventional ballistic missiles. What can you share 294 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: with us about the intelligence that we're getting it It 295 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: sounds like some of this intelligence may have been coming 296 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: from Israel on the ground there. 297 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 11: Well, first of all, let's just ignore Israel has the 298 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 11: best on the current intelligence in the world. It's serious 299 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 11: to them, obviously, it's critical to them, and they've proven 300 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 11: to be very good at it. So I think that's right. 301 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 11: I think a lot of it comes from their intel, 302 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 11: but our intel's pretty darn good as well. And we've 303 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 11: already seen how capable they are with their intercontinental ballistic 304 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 11: missiles and they for example, they can already reach Paris, 305 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 11: they can reach London. I mean, these are not insignificant 306 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 11: targets for them to get to. And if they're capable 307 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 11: of creating and they have demonstrated that they are mid 308 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 11: range missile capability, obviously they're not far from being able 309 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 11: to do more long range and reach the shores of 310 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 11: the United States. And I think too much attention sometimes 311 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 11: gets paid to the nuclear ambitions. 312 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 5: Now that nuclear ambitions. 313 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 11: Are pretty important, but the vehicles that can carry the 314 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 11: nuclear warheads are equally as important, and so I think 315 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 11: the presence right to highlight that and again, you know, 316 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 11: help educate all of us on their capabilities. 317 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: Do you think the asident answered the question that many 318 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Americans have is why did we do this? 319 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: Was it necessary? 320 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 5: I think he did. I think he did it quite well. Actually. 321 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 11: First of all, to the point you just made about 322 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 11: their missile capability, the fact that they're willing to use them, 323 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 11: I think that's indisputable. They're proving that now. But remember, 324 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 11: for forty seven years they've been shooting at American service 325 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 11: members and in the neighborhood. They've been a menace, to 326 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 11: say the least. They are the number one state sponsor 327 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 11: of terror. 328 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: We know that. 329 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 11: And to the degree that we think that we don't 330 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 11: have to do things prior to a strike on as 331 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 11: just remember that's what George Bush thought when the Twin 332 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 11: Towers came down. You know what, That's what Roosevelt thought 333 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 11: when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. I mean, that's what 334 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 11: we thought in World War One. That's not our problem. 335 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 11: They're not going to bother us until they started sinking 336 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 11: American ships. So I applaud the President for taking the 337 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 11: preemptive strikes because it's so much less expensive in treasure, 338 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 11: in life to hit them before. 339 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 5: They hit us. 340 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 11: And so I mean, I just think I think he 341 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 11: made the case, but I think you have to make 342 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 11: it over and over and over again because you know, 343 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 11: like I said, our friends in some of the mainstream 344 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 11: media are never going to tell that story. 345 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: Senator, I agree with you. 346 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: As I was listening to the President's speech, I was 347 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: thinking of, you know, the run up to World War Two, 348 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: had people actually listened to what Adolph Hitler was saying 349 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: that he you know, his intentions were very clear, but 350 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: yet no one wanted to act. And I do think 351 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: it's much easier hindsight to say, well, we should have acted, 352 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of criticism when people do act. Well, 353 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: we didn't need to act, So I think the evidence 354 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: was pretty strong here. 355 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: I want to go to another topic that the President really. 356 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: Discussed quite a bit because it's on the minds of 357 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: the American people, and that's energy energy prices. The President 358 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: made the point, and you're well aware of this coming 359 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: from North Dakota energy producing state, that America in the 360 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: last six to eight years, primarily during the first Trump administration, 361 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: moved to energy independence. Is there a way to offset 362 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: these short term what we're seeing in the short term 363 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: rise and gas prices. 364 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 2: Can we. 365 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: Enhance our production so that we're not caught in this 366 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: bind again. 367 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 7: Yeah. 368 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 11: So it's a really important point, Tony, because while we 369 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 11: are largely well, we're energy dominant. However, our energy dominance 370 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 11: isn't quite to the level of independence in this sense. 371 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 11: We have plenty of oil production in the United States. 372 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 11: What we don't have is plenty of refining capability of 373 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 11: the type of oil that we produce in the United States. 374 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 11: Our refiners are all set up, or I should say 375 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 11: all but largely set up for heavy sour crude that 376 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 11: comes from places like the Middle East or Venezuela or 377 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 11: even Canada. And we produced a lot of light sweet crude. 378 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 11: That's the type of crude oil that that we produced 379 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 11: in North Dakota, the Premium basin in Texas, and we 380 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 11: have it in great abundance, but we don't have the 381 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 11: refineries that take that type of oil without blending that 382 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 11: with some of the heavy sour. So we can do 383 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 11: a better job here of making ourselves more independent. But 384 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 11: at the same time, what I always say is we 385 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 11: could be the price maker, not the price taker, and 386 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,959 Speaker 11: we've done that largely when we lifted the oil export ban, 387 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 11: for example, in one of my first year I guess 388 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 11: it was my second term in the House Representatives that 389 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 11: was a huge adjustment in trade policy that allowed us 390 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 11: to be more of the provider for the world. 391 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 5: That said, there is a world market. 392 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 11: That has needs really the type of oil that's produced in. 393 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: The Middle East, including the Middle East. 394 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 11: Itself, So it's really the world to be place that becomes. 395 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 11: There's still work to be done, but he is right, 396 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 11: and I think he was right to focus on the 397 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 11: Arab nations too. 398 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 5: By the way that produced oil. 399 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 11: The Strait of hor Moves is obviously obviously an important 400 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 11: trade corridor for the movement. To save passage of their 401 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 11: oil to markets, they should take on some of the 402 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 11: burden of keeping the straight open. 403 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: Senator. 404 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: Always great to see you, Thanks so much for joining 405 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: us this weekend. 406 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 5: Always my pleasure. And have a blessed Easter you too. 407 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: All right, folks, take with us more after the break. 408 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 9: Americans may not agree on much, but we agree on 409 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 9: social security. We all pay in it ought to be 410 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 9: there when we need it. 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Well, the US Supreme Court on Tuesday 419 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: struck down a Colorado law that banned talk therapy for 420 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: minors that helped them resolve gender dysphoria, ruling that the 421 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: law violated the First Amendment. In an eight to one decision, 422 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: the Justice has said that the state went too far 423 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: by limiting what a licensed counselor could say to patients, 424 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: calling it unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. Join me now to discuss 425 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: this decision is Jim Campbell, chief legal counsel for Alliance 426 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: Defending Freedom, who argued this case before the Supreme Court. Jim, 427 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week on Capitol Hill. 428 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 7: Thanks for having me. 429 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: Let me start by congratulating you on another victory, and 430 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: a significant victory at that. An eight to one decision 431 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: that's pretty strong coming out of this court. 432 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: It's very strong, and what it shows is that the 433 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 4: Justice is read recognized that viewpoint discrimination is intolerable in 434 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 4: America and the law in Colorado that we challenged in 435 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 4: this case. It silenced counselors if they wanted to help 436 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 4: kids who are struggling with gender dysphoria get comfortable with 437 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 4: their bodies. On the other hand, it would have allowed 438 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: them to encourage kids to pursue a gender transition. And 439 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 4: the court recognized that that kind of a viewpoint discriminatory 440 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 4: law cannot stand consistent with the constitution. 441 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: Unpack that for our viewers and listenership because it was 442 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: like a one way street. You could counsel them to 443 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: go into so called gender therapy and get this drugs 444 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: and surgeries, but you could not address the underlying issues 445 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: by simply having conversations. 446 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 7: That's right. 447 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 4: And so the law specifically said that if you're counseling 448 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: a minor struggling with these issues, you can't help them 449 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 4: get comfortable with their body or i realign their identity 450 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: with their self. It specifically said that you can't do that, 451 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 4: but there was an exception in the law that said 452 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: that you could provide assistance encouraging a gender transition. And 453 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 4: so this law was picking one side of a view 454 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: and saying it's okay to express this, but it's not 455 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 4: okay to express this, and the Supreme Court saw that 456 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: that's inconsistent with First Amendment principles, and of course we 457 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: wouldn't tolerate that in a different context. 458 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 7: For instance, if. 459 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 4: There was a law that said that a counselor could 460 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 4: encourage a married person to reconcile but couldn't allow them 461 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 4: to consider divorce or vice versa, we wouldn't allow a 462 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 4: law like that, So why should we allow it in 463 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: this context? 464 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: Well, and they put it behind the context of conversion therapy, 465 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: trying to bring about these connotations of something that simply 466 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: does not exist. We're talking about conversations, we're talking about 467 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: trying to get to the underlying issues by simply talking 468 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: to an individual. That seems so less extreme than putting 469 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: someone on a regiment of drugs or in experimental at that, 470 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: or surgeries that are irreversible. 471 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 7: That's right. 472 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 4: What these kids need when they're struggling with this issue 473 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 4: of gender confusion is they need to know that they 474 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 4: are wonderfully made. They need to know that their bodies 475 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: aren't a mistake. They don't need drugs and surgeries. And 476 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 4: so Colorado was pushing counselors to encourage drugs and surgeries 477 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 4: where what we need is counselors to be free to 478 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 4: help kids understand that they're made wonderfully and that their 479 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 4: bodies aren't a mistake. 480 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: So, Jim, this is Colorado, but Colorado is not alone. 481 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got about twenty three states that have 482 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: laws like this. California is one that I think they 483 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: were one of the first to adopt a policy like 484 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: this that prohibits counselors from having conversations about these issues 485 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: regarding gender identity. 486 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, there are about twenty three states that have laws 487 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 4: like this, and there are over one hundred localities, counties, 488 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 4: and cities that have laws like this too, And so 489 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: this Supreme Court decision will have a direct impact on 490 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: all of those laws. And it sends a clear message 491 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: that the government can't enter the counseling room and tell 492 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: counselors what they can and cannot say to patients when 493 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: patients are just simply seeking to achieve the goal that 494 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 4: they've set for themselves. And so this is a significant 495 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 4: win that we'll have nationwide ramifications. 496 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: So, Jim, will that be automatic or will there have 497 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: to be additional adjudication at in these various states to 498 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: bring them in alignment with the Supreme Court decision. 499 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 7: We'll have to see. 500 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 4: I'm sure some governments will recognize and see the writing 501 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 4: on the wall and will announce that they're not going 502 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: to enforce these laws to silence voluntary counseling conversations. But 503 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 4: there might be other states or other counties and cities 504 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 4: that will fight, and so we'll have to continue those 505 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: lawsuits until ultimately a court tells them that they can't 506 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 4: use this to silence voluntary conversations. 507 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you would have to be pretty i would 508 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: say blind not to see the handwriting on the wall here. 509 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: With eight eight to one out of this court, I 510 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: mean this is quite significant. Again, I want to commend you, 511 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: an ADF, for a job well done on behalf the 512 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: families and the young people across this country that are 513 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: suffering from gender dysphoria. Jim, thanks so much for joining 514 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: us today. Again, appreciate the work that you do. Thanks 515 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: for having me well, folks. That good news. And this 516 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: is why elections matter, because you see, when we elect 517 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: to good people to office, they put good people on 518 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: the courts that interpret the law to the Constitution rather 519 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: as it was intended to be. 520 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: Free speech is free speech. Don't go away. We're back 521 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: with more after this. 522 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 9: Americans may not agree on much, but we agree on 523 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 9: Social Security. We all pay in it ought to be 524 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 9: there when we need it. Social Security could face a 525 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 9: funding gap in less than a decade, and I don't 526 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 9: want to see a pay cut. I'm with AARP in 527 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 9: the fight to protect the Social Security we earned. 528 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 10: Pledge to protect Social Security at AARP dot org slash 529 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 10: we earned it. That's AARP dot org slash. We earned it, 530 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 10: paid for by AARP. 531 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. I'm your host, 532 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: Tony Perkins. Well, as the partial government shutdown enters week seven, 533 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: negotiations continue despite commerce being on Easter recess, so is 534 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: an agreement within reach. Joining us now to help explain 535 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: the developments is House Majority Leader Steve SCALESI represents Louisiana's 536 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: first congressional district. Mister later, Welcome back to this week 537 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill. Thanks for joining us, Tony. Always great 538 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: to be with you. Thanks for having me so. Before 539 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: we dive into the latest developments in terms of funding, 540 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to President Trump's speech 541 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: this week dealing with Iran. Primetime speech speaking to the 542 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: American people. 543 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 12: I thought the President's speech was number one. 544 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 7: It was needed. 545 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 12: You know a lot of people around the country, they 546 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 12: don't remember the decades not years, but decades of violence 547 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 12: that I Ran has committed against America, you know, going 548 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 12: back to taking our embassy but killing hundreds of American troops, 549 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 12: Tony being behind Hasblahamas, major terrorist organizations, and then ultimately 550 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 12: working towards a nuclear weapons program where they were very 551 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 12: close to weapons great and enriched geranium with the ability 552 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 12: to deliver it with ballistic missiles and drones. And so 553 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 12: you watch them slaughter about thirty to forty thousand of 554 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 12: their own people. And that's when President Trump said, we 555 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 12: cannot wait anymore when they're saying death to America. We 556 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 12: better tyke im at face value. When they'll kill their 557 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 12: own people. And now they have the nuclear capabilities two 558 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 12: within weeks, maybe be ready to deliver nuclear missile. These 559 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 12: are not people you can let sit idly by. And 560 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 12: so the President made a great case. I thought he 561 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 12: detailed it really well and it was necessary. And I 562 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 12: think anybody watching objectively, he's not just rooting against America 563 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 12: because they hate this president, which sadly are some people. 564 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 12: I think for everybody else watching, it was a really important, 565 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 12: detailed explanation for why we're doing this and how it's 566 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 12: a very narrow focus and it's not going to be 567 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 12: lasting much longer. Gas prices will get down, but the 568 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 12: world's going to be a safer place, especially America is 569 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 12: going to be safer without a nuclear armed Iran. 570 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: I would agree, I think it was needed. 571 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I did appreciate the fact the President laid out the 572 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: history very quickly, but he laid out the history, and 573 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: I go back to when I was in the Marine Corps. 574 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: There were many of my friends that were in Beirut 575 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: when the were attacks. So I think it's important that 576 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: America know that Iran has been behind these attacks consistently 577 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: against the United States. Yes, and as you pointed out, 578 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: the capabilities they had going forward. So one of my 579 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: questions for you on this, mister leader, is this a 580 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: lot of our allies in the Middle East want to 581 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: make sure that we finish the work that we started. 582 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: Given the fact that you just made reference to the 583 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: gas prices, Americans are a little skettish about this. Are 584 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: you confident that we will finish the task before we leave? 585 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 12: I think we will because it's not just America. Of course, Israel, 586 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 12: who's just such a great ally. You know, when you're 587 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 12: watching some of our NATO allies truly disappoint us, which 588 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 12: is a whole other conversation, Tony, but Israel stepped up. 589 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 12: But you're seeing Middle Eastern countries that you would have 590 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 12: never thought would be in this fight against Iran. All 591 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 12: that you think about this, Donald Trump has united the 592 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 12: Middle East against the main you know, the evil empire 593 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 12: over there, which has always been Iran. And Iran has 594 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 12: declared war against America, against Israel, and against so many 595 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 12: other nations. And right now all of the civilized world 596 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 12: that has guts is saying it's time. This is We're 597 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 12: not going to stand for this anymore. So, you know, 598 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 12: hopefully it's a few more weeks getting the straight up hormus. 599 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 12: You heard the President with a direct call not just 600 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 12: to our friends who are helping us, but to the 601 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 12: NATO countries who are sitting on the. 602 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 5: Sidelines right now. 603 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 12: But they're really the ones that are facing the biggest, 604 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 12: the biggest reverberations from the strait of Homose being closed, 605 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 12: saying you guys need to step up and take control 606 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 12: of the Strait of hor Moose. Don't We've laid the 607 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 12: table for you, We've done the hard work. 608 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 5: Now you need to. 609 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: Do something, Steve, let's talk domestic issues. 610 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: The end of the week, the Senate pushing back over 611 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: another funding measure for the Department of Homeland Security. 612 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: It now comes to the House. 613 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: It's a little complicated because it's not exactly what conservatives wanted, 614 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: the full funding of the department. What happens from here? 615 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: Are we going to see DHS fully funded? 616 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 12: Well, that's been our objective all along in the House 617 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 12: at least, is that we're only going to do this 618 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 12: if it's fully funding the Department of Homeland Security. You know, 619 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 12: you look at the bill they had sent us over 620 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 12: days ago, and it left out key components ice and 621 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 12: border patrol. You cannot lean that out, and especially at 622 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 12: a time of heightened alert. And so what the President did, 623 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 12: and this is again where President Trump showed leadership as 624 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,959 Speaker 12: he stepped up and he said, okay, let's do a 625 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 12: two track. And we had negotiations over the last week 626 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 12: with the President and our leadership in the House and 627 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 12: Senate to work this out. And the way we've worked 628 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 12: it out has said, we're going to have to have 629 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 12: a dual track, and that is you know, the bill 630 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 12: you sent us before was inadequate because it left behind 631 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 12: those key components of ICE and CVP. So we're going 632 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 12: to have to have a reconciliation bill, which, as you know, Tony, 633 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 12: it's a bill that Democrats won't vote for this because 634 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 12: Democrats want open borders, let's be clear. And so a 635 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 12: reconciliation bill you can do without any Democrat votes, and 636 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 12: that way you can fund the entire department at a 637 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 12: time when we need that whole department operating fully. So 638 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 12: that process is started and you're going to see both 639 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 12: bills move and then the whole department get funded. And frankly, 640 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 12: the parts that the Democrats don't want to fund, which 641 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 12: is border patrol they want open borders, we're going to 642 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 12: fund that for three years so through the Trump presidency, 643 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 12: so Democrats can no longer hold border security hostage to 644 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 12: try to bring us back to the Joe Biden open borders. 645 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 7: We're not going to do that, Tony. 646 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: What's the timeline that we see this taking place. 647 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 12: I think you're seeing some of that move already. And 648 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 12: then we've been having a lot of negotiations between House 649 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 12: and Senate members, starting with members on the Budget Committee, because. 650 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 5: Reconciliation starts there. 651 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 12: Then there's going to be a number, really about three 652 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 12: committees of jurisdiction that will be involved in reconciliation. And 653 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 12: you know, if you think back to the one big 654 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 12: beautiful bill, it took about five months to move that, 655 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 12: which is a massive bill, great dividends, it's still paying 656 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 12: for the country. But this is going to be much 657 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 12: more narrow, hopefully something we can fast track in less 658 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 12: than a month, which I don't think anybody's seen that 659 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 12: in Washington, and that is a reconciliation bill that can move. 660 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 5: In less than a month. 661 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 12: But we're having all of that work being done right 662 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 12: now to get it prepared so that we can fast 663 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 12: track this whole process and fund the entire agency. 664 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: Tony, very quickly, about thirty seconds left. 665 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: When you used to you were you were the majority 666 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: with before you were the majority leader. You know how 667 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: hard it is to get the votes together to pass 668 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: these things. Historic slim margins for the Republicans. Are there 669 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: limits on what you're going to be able to do 670 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: going into the end of this Congress into the election? 671 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 7: There always are. 672 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 12: Because you know, as you pointed out, I mean two 673 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 12: members going south on any vote, and the bill's done 674 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 12: because as Democrats have literally bought into the Madami wing socialism. 675 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 12: So we're going to have to do it on our own, 676 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 12: and frankly, we have and we will. 677 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 5: We've still got big things to do. 678 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 12: We've got obviously a lot more things that we're working 679 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 12: on to lower the cost of living, big housing, built 680 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 12: farm bills coming up, more fraud. We have to keep 681 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 12: delivering for President Trump and for this country. 682 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: All Right, Congress and Steve Scale. So it's great to 683 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: see you. Thanks so much for joining us. All Right, folks, 684 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: stick with us. We're back with more after this. Welcome 685 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: back to this week on Capitol Hill. I'm your host, 686 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: Tony Perkins. When God delivered the children of Israel from 687 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: the bondage of Egypt and defeated Pharaoh's army, Moses responded 688 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: with a song recorded in Exodus fifteen. He declares, the 689 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: Lord is a man of war, the Lord is his name. 690 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: That description is revealing. Scripture repeatedly presents God as one 691 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: who defends his people, upholds justice, and ultimately triumph so evil. 692 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: He is not a distant observer of human conflict, but 693 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: a righteous judge who acts in history, and this imagery 694 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: is not confined to the Old Testament. In Revelation nineteen, 695 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: Jesus himself is depicted as a warrior riding a white horse, 696 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: bringing judgment against the nations, with a sword proceeding from 697 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,959 Speaker 1: his mouth. The biblical witness is consistent. God is both 698 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: redeemer and righteous judge. War, therefore, is a tragic but 699 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: real feature of a fallen world. The Bible does not 700 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: ignore it, it regulates it. From these biblical principles, Saint 701 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Augustine articulated what would become known as the just war theory, 702 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: later refined by Thomas Aquinas. This framework has guided much 703 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: of Western moral reasoning about war for centuries, recognizing that 704 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: while war is never ideal, it may at times be 705 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: necessary to restrain evil and protect the innocent, which is 706 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: why recent comments from Poplio the thirteenth and a Palm 707 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: Sunday homily are both puzzling and concerning. He stated in 708 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: part that Jesus quote rejects war and does not listen 709 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: to the prayers of those who wage it. Was the 710 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: Allied effort in World War II undertaken to stop Adolph 711 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: Hitler and the atrocities of the Third Reich. 712 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 2: Contrary to the will of God. 713 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: Were the prayers of leaders and soldiers offered in humility 714 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: and desperation, somehow rejected. On June sixth, nineteen forty four, 715 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: as American troops stormed the beaches of Normandy, Franklin Roosevelt 716 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: led the nation in prayer. He asked God's blessing on 717 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: those risking their lives to defeat tyranny and secure freedom. 718 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: It was not a prayer for conquest. It was a 719 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: prayer for justice, for deliverance, and for peace. Likewise, during 720 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: the brutal winner of the Battle of the Bulls, George 721 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: Patten called for prayer. Facing impossible conditions, he urged his 722 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: troops to seek God's intervention. Two hundred and fifty thousand 723 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: and copies of that prayer were distributed to the soldiers 724 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: of the Third Army, And when the weather broke and 725 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: the tide of the battle turned, Patent famously remarked to 726 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: his chaplain, well, Padre, our prayers worked, and thank God 727 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: they did. Scripture gives us confidence in this very truth. 728 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: As the apostle John writes in First John five, if 729 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 1: we ask anything according to God's will, he hears us, 730 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: and if he hears us, we have what we have 731 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: asked of him. That is the key, asking according to 732 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: his will. Not every war is just, not every cause 733 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: is righteous. But when those entrusted with authority act to 734 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: restrain evil, defend the innocent, and pursue a just piece, 735 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: they do not stand counter to God. They stand within 736 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: the very purposes of His justice. And in those moments 737 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: prayer is not rejected, it is hurt. The question is 738 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: not whether God hears the prayers of those in battle. 739 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: The question is whether those who lead and those who 740 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: fight or aligned with the will of the one who 741 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: is both Prince of peace and the righteous defender of 742 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: the innocent. When they are, they can pray with confidence, 743 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: and history suggest he answers that my friends has been 744 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: this week on Capitol Hill