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Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country,

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Speaker 2: fighting for the future of our republic. My call is

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Speaker 2: to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most

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Speaker 2: important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: end up miserable. But if the most important thing is

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Speaker 2: doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody.

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Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You

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Speaker 1: Sign up and become an activist.

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Speaker 2: I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade,

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Speaker 2: most important decision I ever made in my life, and

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Speaker 2: I encourage you to do the same. Here I am Lord,

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Speaker 2: Use me. Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie

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Speaker 3: All Right, guys, Jacksovik, we are live another edition of

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Speaker 3: thought Crime Thursday. We've got breaking news hard and fast

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Speaker 3: into Tyler Robinson trial.

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Speaker 1: We're on with Blake nep. What's up Blake?

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Speaker 4: Howdy? How did good to see you Jack as.

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Speaker 1: Well and the Cliff Aloney Harry Cliff doing great.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, gents.

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Speaker 3: All Okay, So the judge is currently ruling on Kate

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Speaker 3: on information regarding and motions regarding whether or not cameras

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Speaker 3: will be out in the courtroom for Title Robinson, who

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Speaker 3: is the accused.

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Speaker 1: Murderer of our friend.

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Speaker 3: And I've been seeing a lot of information that Judge

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Speaker 3: Graft made a ruling regarding Charlie's regarding cameras in the courtroom. However,

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Speaker 3: people need to understand that the ruling that just came down,

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Speaker 3: and I see this as going viral online even as

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Speaker 3: we speak, that was only about court cameras in the

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Speaker 3: courtroom today as pertains to this specific hearing and possibly.

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Speaker 1: Preview hearings in general.

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Speaker 3: There's also mention, and I've got this from a reporter

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Speaker 3: that that Grapp wrote as Keeping stated that we've set

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Speaker 3: aside the thirtieth of January, and that might be the

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Speaker 3: one I want to say to our anticipated notion that's

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Speaker 3: coming about Keeping Courton's other court cameras in the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: I went to weigh in as well.

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Speaker 3: It will be on January thirtieth, So on January thirty

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Speaker 3: is the one that they're making that ruling for. They're

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Speaker 3: not making a ruling yet as of this time for

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Speaker 3: the entire courtroom trial. Blake, Matthew and Maachnez is disunderstanding

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that seems right. It went out in a

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Speaker 4: few places that they'd already ruled, but that's not surprising.

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Speaker 4: Kind of everything about this case seems to take forever,

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Speaker 4: which we complained about on the show today, And I

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Speaker 4: promptly got an email from another person who works another

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Speaker 4: murder trials and she said, it's just always like this.

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Speaker 4: She said she's seen absolute open and shut gangbanger shooting

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Speaker 4: cases take two years to resolve, and so that sadly

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Speaker 4: getting cameras into the courtroom, which we're all hoping for.

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Speaker 4: I think besides that, I guess the main thing we've

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Speaker 4: gotten out of this, because people need something to feast on,

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Speaker 4: is we do have really our first in a courtroom

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Speaker 4: video footage of Tyler Robinson. We have people analyzing his

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Speaker 4: facial expressions because there's not too much to analyze otherwise

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Speaker 4: at this point. Whether his whether the look on his

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Speaker 4: face in profile, which we're showing right now, is he smiling,

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Speaker 4: is he laughing? A lot of people have had that interpretation.

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Speaker 4: I'll admit, I've only gotten a chance to look at

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Speaker 4: it a few times. I'm not sure I see laughing.

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Speaker 4: You can see a sort of grin a few times,

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, guys, I'm going to share in

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Speaker 1: the chat right now.

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Speaker 3: I just got the the Otter note with the full transcript,

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Speaker 3: so if you guys want to get it in.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so, oh, excuse me. The media access.

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Speaker 3: Actually January thirty of this now moved because the hearing

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Speaker 3: is still going on, So they now moved back to

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Speaker 3: February third, So Blake to your point, there we go.

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Speaker 1: They're just moving it out again. They're moving it out.

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Speaker 1: They're moving it out.

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Speaker 3: I would say, though, if you have does anyone have

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Speaker 3: This uh, you know where it's kind of zoomed in.

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Speaker 1: Mean, that's just definitely a smile.

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Speaker 3: And you know there are times where Brian Etton, out

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Speaker 3: he said that, you know, some times it can be

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Speaker 3: a tactic by defense teams to say, try to look

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Speaker 1: So so act normal.

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Speaker 3: And yet when you see this specific image of him

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Speaker 3: I mean, to me, he looks very smug. He looks

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Speaker 3: It's a smirk that you see in these images. And

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Speaker 3: we're going to get that up and show you guys

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Speaker 3: in just a second.

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Speaker 1: But this is.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it, guys, this was very It's

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Speaker 3: hard to watch, all right, I can say right now

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Speaker 3: it's really hard for me to watch and see this

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Speaker 3: looking as though he's sad that we're in the proceedings

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Speaker 3: for the death of a good man, the death of

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Speaker 3: nonchalant and you know, having a good time hanging out,

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Speaker 1: Have a care in the world.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know this strategy or what,

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Speaker 3: I can't even really say publicly what I want, Cliff,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? What were your thoughts when you

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Speaker 5: Well, I think this was a big moment for everybody,

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Speaker 6: I mean I texted Tyler about this when I first

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Speaker 1: I think I did the same thing the thing.

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Speaker 5: In a weird way.

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Speaker 6: I think all of us are dealing with this in

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Speaker 6: it still doesn't feel real. This was a moment right

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Speaker 6: when he seeing him like as an actual person. I'm

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Speaker 6: not calling him that he's nice, not worthy of being

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Speaker 6: really just made this thing real again, and I think

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Speaker 5: Him defending him. You know, it's a justice system.

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Speaker 6: It's going to play its way out, but it was

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Speaker 6: tough to watch. And let me just say this to

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Speaker 6: everybody out there, these trials are going to take time. Okay,

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Speaker 6: it's going to be frustrating. There's going to be so

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Speaker 6: much that they have to prove that he is a person,

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Speaker 5: There are so many, I want to call.

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Speaker 6: Him preliminary things, but things that for most normal folks,

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Speaker 5: That the prosecutors are going to have to prove that

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Speaker 6: And to us it's so obvious. But in the court

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Speaker 6: I do think we should be prepared for this to

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Speaker 6: be a long drawn out battle. But as Erica said,

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Speaker 6: why not be transparent.

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Speaker 5: So that is the that we're looking for.

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Speaker 6: We're hoping that this is all going to be on

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Speaker 6: camera and not to glamorize him, but let the people

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Speaker 5: I agree with Erica on that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really think it's it's one of those things

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Speaker 4: the issues we've encountered with what people say about this.

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Speaker 4: It comes from the psychic overload that people have such

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Speaker 4: They need to engage with it. They need something to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's going to continue to drag out.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm saying that I agree with you,

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Speaker 5: And people that love Charlie.

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Speaker 6: This is not going to be a four month thing, right.

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Speaker 6: This is going to take a long time. There's going

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Speaker 6: to be jury selection, there's going to be tons of

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Speaker 6: they able to drag it out? But that's part of

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Speaker 6: But I think, you know, the other thing is selecting

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Speaker 6: I mean, this is unprecedented, right, Charlie was everywhere. I

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Speaker 6: think it's it's hard to find someone, especially now with

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Speaker 6: And so you're going to have a heck of a

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Speaker 3: I just want to clear up something, guys, because I

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and if I'm understanding this correctly, why I think

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Speaker 5: Way is because now all of a sudden, you know, look,

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Speaker 6: You know, the standard for defamation is pretty much impossible

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Speaker 6: But now I'm hearing this and I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 6: Am I saying that correctly? Does that open the door

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Speaker 3: It's ultimately up to the judge. It's helpingly up to

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Speaker 8: It up with the and they've they've gone back and.

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Speaker 3: Found rulings on their behalf and said, look, you can't

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Speaker 3: And by the way, you know, just from a personal perspective,

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Speaker 1: And that's just why I'm.

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Speaker 3: Reading that because very simply victim just threading here. Victims

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Speaker 1: And so this means that in a.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's just something too. That is going to

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Speaker 4: Forward, it's possible. I feel like that would be what

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Speaker 1: It's not a stretch. It's the law.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's the law, but it would be

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Speaker 1: Though, well, again we're just talking about the liability. So

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Speaker 3: Official designation, meaning that there are certain laws that apply

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Speaker 6: And if I had to ask you, how long how

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Speaker 4: We're given that promise all of the time and doesn't

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Speaker 4: They love letting criminals get out, They love letting people

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Speaker 4: I feel rather unfortunately, I just can't truly imagine this

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Speaker 6: Do we have any intel on how he's funding his defense?

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Speaker 6: I mean, does he come from any money?

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Speaker 1: Like it is?

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Speaker 5: Are these public defenders?

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Speaker 3: So it's a it comes from a public pot of money.

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Speaker 3: But yet it does come from a public pot of

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Speaker 3: Well, here's something else I want to add, by the way,

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Speaker 3: so his parents, we are told told on reporters who

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Speaker 3: are in the courtroom, including den New's Nation, that his

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Speaker 3: his brothers, and sounds like his mother was very emotional.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like he was frying while she was waiting

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Speaker 3: for There was a portion of this that was held

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Speaker 3: mother was all At one point they asked for the

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Speaker 3: family to stay in the courtroom, but then the Joe

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Speaker 3: the trial failure or during that argument phase, and said

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Speaker 3: the mother was outside the courtroom, out of the courtroom,

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Speaker 3: just crying.

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Speaker 1: And look, I.

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Speaker 3: Keep saying over and over, you know, for people who

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Speaker 3: have been telling me that Tyler Robinson the plants, you know,

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Speaker 3: this isn't this isn't real. Well, it's sort of like, guys,

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Speaker 3: his parents were the ones who who turned him.

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Speaker 1: In and if they thought their son was.

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Speaker 3: Was innocent that if we falsely accused. You know, they

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Speaker 3: have all the opportunity in the world to speak.

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Speaker 8: The media, the eyes of the water on him today.

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Speaker 8: Not one of them walked up the media and said

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Speaker 8: my son was innocent. We have the Odwold thamously referred

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Speaker 8: to himself to the Patsy. And you just don't see

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Speaker 8: anyone from the family coming out and saying that that

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Speaker 8: they believe he didn't do it. They believe he was innocent.

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Speaker 1: Just that happened, and it certainly didn't happen today. Day

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to be shosi if not.

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Speaker 3: And look, we see these images of Pilate Robinson, sick

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Speaker 3: images of him. I've just got a new image, by

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Speaker 3: the way, I'm going to send it as well, just

508
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Speaker 3: this sick image of him, very well, very clear that

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Speaker 3: he's grinnamed and you know, caught in fourte.

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Speaker 4: He just looks weird too. I guess that's not that's

511
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Speaker 4: not the best. Yeah, there is, he really grinning.

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Speaker 3: Well, Charlie's family is going to go through Christmas with

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Speaker 3: oddly Dad, he's sitting there dreading.

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Speaker 6: Can we not talk about how he looks like data

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Speaker 6: O'Rourke has nobody made that comparison.

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Speaker 4: Yet he does. Wow, he does.

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Speaker 6: Kind was the first time I saw don't first time

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Speaker 6: I saw that, Jack, You made a good point.

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Speaker 5: I want to elaborate on it.

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Speaker 6: That ruling was interesting when they said, hey, we need

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Speaker 6: to clear out, we're going to make some decisions about

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Speaker 6: cameras and we're going to have some debate on this,

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Speaker 6: and I don't want the public in here, and they obviously,

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Speaker 6: you know, the defense said hey, we want to request

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Speaker 6: the family can and the judge did not go with them, right,

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Speaker 6: the judge went with the prosecutors. But I find that

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Speaker 6: to be very very interesting because a lot of times

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Speaker 6: you'll see judges start to go one direction, and if

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Speaker 6: early on they're going the direction of, hey, we're gonna,

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Speaker 6: you know, be with the defense, that becomes a problem

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Speaker 6: if you're obviously rooting for the prosecutors. And so I

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Speaker 6: think some of these early decisions can kind of show

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Speaker 6: what type of temperament the judge is going to have.

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Speaker 5: And for the judge to say that Tyler.

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Speaker 6: Robinson's family does not get special treatment, they are not

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Speaker 6: allowed to stay in the courtroom, that all members of

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Speaker 6: the public have to leave, I think that's a big win,

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Speaker 6: and I don't think we should we should glance over that.

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Speaker 6: That was a big ruling from the judge today.

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Speaker 3: And so one of other things for people to understand

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Speaker 3: is that is that so people are asking will Erica testify?

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Speaker 3: And so likely I mean, it's certainly possible that anyone

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Speaker 3: can call witnesses, but it's more likely that as a

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Speaker 3: victim of presentative that she will giving a statement.

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Speaker 1: Not during the trial phase.

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Speaker 3: But there's two phases to a death penality trial and

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Speaker 3: a definitely trial in those states.

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Speaker 1: Including the state of you know state.

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Speaker 3: In Utah that Dave, the victim doesn't testify until so

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Speaker 3: there's a conviction. Then there's another phase with the conviction state,

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Speaker 3: there are testimony brought in and that's when you hear

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Speaker 3: what are called victim in fact statement, and those victim

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Speaker 3: in fact statements are the ones that come in there.

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Speaker 1: I'm told that we have a donation.

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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, well we have. We have Caden again. He's

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Speaker 4: he's he's a frequent donor, So thank you again, Cad.

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Speaker 4: He says, hey, friends, hope you are well today, and

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Speaker 4: thank you very much, Kate. And we have a second one.

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Speaker 4: But it's a it's a lighter topic, So I would

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Speaker 4: like I don't want to hit it until we're ready

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Speaker 4: to move on to the next one, because I don't

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Speaker 4: want to take this very serious topic with it. But

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Speaker 4: we are aware of your earlier one. Who is that

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Speaker 4: from from b Jordan. We'll be reading off yours in

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Speaker 4: a sec here. But do we have anything else we

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Speaker 4: want to hit on this?

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Speaker 1: Uh? This?

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Speaker 5: I have one last question. Do we think that he

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Speaker 5: testifies Robinson?

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Speaker 4: I mean, technically we don't even know if he has.

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Speaker 4: He hasn't entered a plea yet, correct.

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Speaker 1: Not a formal plea.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, he might just plead guilty for all we

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Speaker 4: know he could.

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Speaker 3: So as far as we know, yes, he easily could.

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Speaker 3: Just he could plead guilty. And I'm looking at the

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Speaker 3: chat again. In the chat, just most people that are

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Speaker 3: just appalled the.

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Speaker 1: Same way that I am. To see him smiling, to

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Speaker 1: see him grinning, lapping it up.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, man, lap it up, go ahead, he'd laughing

582
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Speaker 3: it up, Lap it up as much as you want.

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Speaker 1: Please continue to do so.

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Speaker 4: Namar Stan asked, can they have cameras in the courtroom

585
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Speaker 4: or not? They have not ruled on that for a trial.

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Speaker 4: He ruled that they could have cameras in the courtroom

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Speaker 4: today for today's hearing, but we do not have a

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Speaker 4: ruling on the overall trial. We likely won't have that

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Speaker 4: for many weeks. That is the cursed reality we live in.

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Speaker 4: We all want to see this move more quickly, but.

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Speaker 1: That is.

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Speaker 4: The situation we have right now. If both if both

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Speaker 4: of the.

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Speaker 3: Sides hearing, the hearing is until Ebry third, So yeah,

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Speaker 3: we got.

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Speaker 1: Two months before we even get an ex hearing on that.

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Speaker 4: Just yeah, it's it's a It's as stressful for us

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Speaker 4: as it is for everyone else. I can assure you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm blake. I actually when you say thirty years,

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Speaker 6: I kind of hit me in the gut.

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Speaker 5: But you're right. I mean, this thing could be a very,

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Speaker 5: very long process.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's truly horrible. I was I once read

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Speaker 4: in in the seventies. Uh, there was a serial killer

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Speaker 4: in Houston and several of them. In fact, it was

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Speaker 4: a group operation. So one of them died and the

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Speaker 4: other went to prison for life, and due to some

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Speaker 4: glorious quirk of the judicial system, that person is eligible

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Speaker 4: for parole. And so they literally were a group that

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Speaker 4: abducted children and murdered them. And every couple of years,

611
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Speaker 4: the parents of one of their last victims have to

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Speaker 4: go to the court to present their arguments for why

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Speaker 4: the person who murdered their child should not be out

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Speaker 4: on the streets again. And this we'll just this will

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Speaker 4: continue as long as they are alive. And I just

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Speaker 4: think about what a tragedy that is for a person who,

617
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Speaker 4: like their entire life was a waste. They used it

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Speaker 4: to destroy other people's lives, and we preserve them for

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Speaker 4: some reason. I don't understand it. I don't understand why

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Speaker 4: we moved away from justice as a principle that our

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Speaker 4: state can wield. But that is what we have, and

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Speaker 4: it leads to a lot of re traumatization of people

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Speaker 4: like those parents, like Erica Kirk, like a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Well, Blake, are you familiar with that case in Cliff

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Speaker 3: You might know this because the Philadelphia Mumia Abou.

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Speaker 1: Jamal Fry, Mumia, no kill me. Yeah, so, Mumia, this

627
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Speaker 1: is a guy who you think about this.

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Speaker 3: He's killed a police obviously black panthers, who shot a

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Speaker 3: police off officer in cold blood before I was born

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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty he killed him in nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 3: that he's sentenced to death in nineteen eighty two, and

632
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Speaker 3: years and years and years go by. Twenty years go by,

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Speaker 3: he's still alive. He's still in death row. He's filing

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Speaker 3: a field, filing a field. The widow of.

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Speaker 1: The police officer who is so young, Maureen.

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Speaker 3: Faffner, the wife of Danny Fawkner, you know, widow of

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Speaker 3: Danny Falkner, is begging over and over, we're just justice

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Speaker 3: to be done on this.

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Speaker 1: And then eventually, thirty years after the murder.

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Speaker 3: Because things have become so woke in the city of

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Speaker 3: Philadelphia that in twenty eleven, the prosecution simply agrees to

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Speaker 3: change his sentence to life without parole. So he gets

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Speaker 3: life without parole. He's in gen pop and this is

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Speaker 3: what they can do there.

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Speaker 1: Now. He became sort of a quasi celebrity.

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Speaker 3: You have, you have like rage against the machine and

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Speaker 3: all these people coming in for him, and so blake

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Speaker 3: to your point, this is a big problem when we

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Speaker 3: wait so long to execute murderers that emotions fade, memories fade,

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Speaker 3: people move on to other things, and different narratives can

651
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Speaker 3: get in. In this case, they waited so long that

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Speaker 3: the case was actually taken away, the sentence was actually

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Speaker 3: taken away, and now we just have life in closing.

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Speaker 4: And there's a shortage of justice people. I think there

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Speaker 4: is a psychic feeling across America that they think there's

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Speaker 4: a lack of justice for things that have gone wrong.

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Speaker 4: You often hear that in reference to COVID, that lockdowns

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Speaker 4: were obviously a catastrophic decision. A ton of people suffered

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Speaker 4: a lot, and then nobody ever was really held accountable financially, criminally,

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Speaker 4: socially even for what they did. Like at a minimum,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, I mean I spent a lot of time.

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Speaker 5: I mean Trump's first term, the First.

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Speaker 6: Step Act, right, A lot of people in the right

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Speaker 6: criminal justice reform, we were all about it.

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Speaker 5: But here's the big difference. We were talking non violent.

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Speaker 6: And this is where I think a lot of people

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Speaker 6: on the left have kind of lost it, not just

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Speaker 6: with defund the police, but it becomes.

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Speaker 5: At any law in the books.

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Speaker 6: You know, we need to have sympathy for those because

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Speaker 6: the justice system is flawed and it's just not true. Right,

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Speaker 6: Obviously the justice system can be flawed, but this idea

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Speaker 6: of this vicious like they're just all in on that.

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Speaker 6: And to me, like you said, when you have these

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Speaker 6: things that are very very much not what I would

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Speaker 6: call nonviolent, these horrific crimes, I think it should be

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Speaker 6: the opposite. Like you said, we should make an example

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Speaker 6: of these.

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Speaker 5: People, and I took.

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Speaker 6: Look, I spent a lot of time being against the

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Speaker 6: death penalty, probably ten years, and to be frank with

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Speaker 6: you guys, This was probably the moment where I realized when.

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Speaker 5: Something hit close to home with somebody that we knew.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's easy to theorize about that and to say, well,

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Speaker 6: you know, I don't trust the government to kill somebody,

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Speaker 6: but in certain circumstances it is very justified, and obviously

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Speaker 6: I believe this is one of those.

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Speaker 4: We got a question from a Gibberish nation asked, can

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Speaker 4: the FEDS go back and charge Robinson with causing Charlie

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Speaker 4: to lose his federal rights by murder and thereby seek

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Speaker 4: the death penalty if it is not obtained through the

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Speaker 4: state court. I suppose the most important question is is

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Speaker 4: that do you guys know is that a capital offense?

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Speaker 4: Deprivation of civil rights? In that matter, that would be

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Speaker 4: an important question. Obviously we have you.

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Speaker 3: Would you would you would have to charge him with

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Speaker 3: a form of terrorism.

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Speaker 1: I wouldieve to be a capital of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my guess.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that entered their mind as a way terrorism.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they could get some sort of federal murder charge.

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Speaker 4: They're always creative with those. If they cross, if they

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Speaker 4: if they cross federal property to do it, or something

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Speaker 4: like that. I wouldn't be surprised if that's on the table.

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Speaker 4: But part of that is that's one of the things

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Speaker 4: about it taking so long. Are you going to suddenly

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Speaker 4: come in and charge him if this verdict is finally

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Speaker 4: reached a year from now, a year and a half

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Speaker 4: from now, that is something I'm not sure of. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure they would make a show of it. But again,

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Speaker 4: by the time that would be done, you might be

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Speaker 4: in a new presidential administration, might be a Democrat.

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Speaker 5: And let's be careful what we wish for.

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Speaker 6: Obviously we want justice for Charlie, but you don't want

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Speaker 6: to get in the habit of the federal government coming

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Speaker 6: in and finding some law or something that they can

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Speaker 6: what's John Stossel's book, Three Felonies a Day right, if the.

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Speaker 5: Government wants to come If the government wants to come

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Speaker 5: after you, they can.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 6: I do want justice here, but let's just get the

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Speaker 6: win here in Utah and not try to find a

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Speaker 6: way the federal government can come in and try to

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Speaker 6: Yeah the answer the questions, Yes, of course, if the

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Speaker 6: Feds wanted to do it, they could try to do it.

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Speaker 5: Be unprecedented, but they could try to do it.

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Speaker 6: I don't think we want to be in the position

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Speaker 6: where the federal government God willing, it's not jd vance

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Speaker 6: after twenty eight I don't want them backdating things and

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Speaker 6: coming after us for random acts that they deem as

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Speaker 6: some sort of federal offense.

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Speaker 3: No, but you can, I mean, you certainly can add

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Speaker 3: that if Jared Chauvin got federal charges added to his

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Speaker 3: state charges, so I mean, this wouldn't be the first

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Speaker 3: time that there were two sets of cases. And I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying it's prudent necessarily do so, but certainly, just

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Speaker 3: in a basic answer to the question, yes, the federal

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Speaker 3: government can do that and certainly have the right to

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Speaker 3: do that.

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Speaker 4: They didn't, all right, it looks like it looks like

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Speaker 4: I just want to say because they did donate, and

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Speaker 4: we always try to read those I said, I do

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Speaker 4: it when we got change topics. But the chat is

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Speaker 4: super locked into this topic. So I think we're staying

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Speaker 4: zeroed in on the Robinson saga. But I wanted to

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Speaker 4: call this so b Jordan two four five six three

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Speaker 4: donated twenty dollars and said, appreciate the show, guys, We

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Speaker 4: appreciate you. Jordan, hoping the Sharon more situation might come

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Speaker 4: up this week. For those who don't know, the coach

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Speaker 4: of Michigan football got caught. I believe impregnating an undergraduate

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Speaker 4: not advised. That would be an amazing topic. But we

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Speaker 4: have a more serious topic that is very close to

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Speaker 4: our hearts that does deserve our full attention this week.

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Speaker 4: But I agree, it is a very fun story. And again,

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Speaker 4: thank you for your support, thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, on this one, yeah, you're you're right, turning point.

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Speaker 4: We have to stay focused for Charlie. We have to

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Speaker 4: watch this case we anyone else. Someone's just to Chad

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Speaker 4: eighty nine says Antifa being a terrorist organization could be

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Speaker 4: a for a federal charge. I guess you would have

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Speaker 4: to find You would have to be able to prove

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Speaker 4: that he even considered himself acting as an agent of Antifa.

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Speaker 4: So that would be something where if we have a

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Speaker 4: very thorough look at his discorded messages, any chat groups

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Speaker 4: he was in, you might be able to find that.

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Speaker 4: But if he's not, if he never uses Antifa to

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Speaker 4: describe himself, if he's not in contact, that could be tough.

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Speaker 4: It's always there are things that can bring you down,

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Speaker 4: So I don't. I guess I would encourage us to

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Speaker 4: view this trial as by far our best shot to

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Speaker 4: get the accountability we want for Robinson, and we would

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Speaker 4: only consider alternatives if that's just not going to come

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Speaker 4: to pass. That's my thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also as an example of the Maggioni case, depending

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Speaker 3: on where you take this, you know, you got to

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Speaker 3: make sure you have a judge that actually believes in

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Speaker 3: up holding the law. So the leading Magdioni was charged

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Speaker 3: under federal terrorism and.

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Speaker 1: Do you judge in that case?

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Speaker 3: This liberal yards actually threw it out, threw out the

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Speaker 3: terrorism charge because he said that, well, this isn't terrorism.

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Speaker 3: That when Magdioni murdered the healthcare CEO, and the judge,

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Speaker 3: as a liberal, said that it wasn't terrorism because it

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Speaker 3: was only murdering one person and that his actions weren't

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Speaker 3: intended to cause harm or intimidation to others, despite the

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Speaker 3: fact that he was like Tyler, Robinson wrote political slogan

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Speaker 3: on the bullet had a manifesto, had all the intent

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Speaker 3: in the world to spark what he called justice for

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Speaker 3: you know, it's probably issues in the healthcare system and

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Speaker 3: equality and the healthcare system and yet the judge said,

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Speaker 3: and the judge actually part of the ruling in that

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Speaker 3: because in the New York just beeven a state judge.

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Speaker 1: So I made to double tacked myself.

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Speaker 3: But I remember it was a terrorism charge and I thought,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about it. But he said that the rate

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Speaker 3: of the statute was written was that it affected.

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Speaker 1: Harm to civilians and under the state.

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Speaker 3: Actually we ruled that healthcare workers don't count as a

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Speaker 3: civilian because that only means the public at large. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it was the most twisted ruling and the most twisted

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Speaker 3: reading of the statute.

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Speaker 1: That I've ever seen. And I'm like, this guy.

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Speaker 3: Must obviously be a liberal to say that, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: if you work for a healthcare company, you're not a civilian.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's exactly how all marks think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, at one point I'll make I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of these different cases where the

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Speaker 6: law can say, you know, the sky is blue, but

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Speaker 6: if a judge says, hey, you know today it's red,

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Speaker 6: it's like it really, once again, there are flaws in

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Speaker 6: the justice system, and some of these judges and some

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Speaker 6: of the rulings.

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Speaker 5: It can be as clear as day to all of us.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I mean, these judges are elected, right

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Speaker 6: or they're appointed by somebody that we elected, and that

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Speaker 6: system is supposed to work, but sometimes it's just broken

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Speaker 6: and it stinks and you got to power through it.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: I've been asked, say what what is the psychology of

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Speaker 3: a Robin sint And I'll let you guys this, So

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Speaker 3: do you guys know? So a Robin so Robin Zimbb

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Speaker 3: is who and not just ask questions about the public narrative.

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Speaker 3: Let you asked a question, do you I ask a

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Speaker 3: questions about evidence? To ask questions about the FBI? Fine,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, person, mimm right. But there are people that

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Speaker 3: are full on Tyler Robin Zimberg who were just.

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Speaker 1: Like this guy didn't do it. I don't believe the parents.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe any of it. You know, he needs

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Speaker 3: to get off. We need we need to work to

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Speaker 3: get him off. And that makes you a Robinzimberg.

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Speaker 1: And are you guys deal with the turn of pro Burgers.

895
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: Have you guys ever heard this pro burgers?

896
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: Pro burgers. I only eat amateur burgers.

897
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Jack, Yeah, so have you.

898
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: But do you guys remember Brian Coburger as in the

899
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: murderer up in Idaho of those sorority girls.

900
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 4: Oh oh, the guy who looks like Richard Hanania crossed

901
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 4: with Josh Holly and.

902
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: It kind of looked a little bit like like Robinson anything.

903
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: He doesn't lie.

904
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: So the pro Burgers are a subset of the true

905
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: crime community where they completely believe that Brian Coburger is innocent,

906
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 3: that he was set up, that someone else did that,

907
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: and they have formed it's kind of a mini cult.

908
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: They have this parasocial relationship with a variety of people

909
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: who leave the pro Burger cult, and it's basically like

910
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 3: a fandom cult of him. They have shrine, they have song,

911
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: they have like edits of Brian Coburger. Obviously, you see

912
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 3: this a lot with the leading MAGIONI through rating and

913
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: you see you even see people taking trips to go

914
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: and visit the places associated with Brian Cooberger because they

915
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: believe so strongly in his h in his innocence. But

916
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: it's beyond, it's so far beyond just you know, oh,

917
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: I think this guy didn't do it. It's literally become their

918
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 3: identity because I don't know if it's like you don't

919
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: have meaning at home or you're disconnected and disassociated with life.

920
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: It is female coded. Bad to say it is true,

921
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: it's it's very female coded. Where yeah, they will completely

922
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: allow this to subsume their identity.

923
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: Well, what's funny is I have to imagine really deep

924
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: down they would not want him to be innocent because

925
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: clearly their actual thought is that he did do it.

926
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 4: They just this is weird to say. They think it's hot.

927
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: I guess, like he's this dark killer person. Like, I

928
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 4: don't think they would find this guy.

929
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Terribly hypristophelia what's that one? Hypothelia? So hyperstophelia is a

930
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Speaker 1: high bristol. I'm sorry my audio is being messed up again.

931
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: So hy Bristophelia is a paraphilia.

932
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: It's a type of sexual attraction for people who commit

933
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: serious crimes. He saw this with the Columbine shooters. They

934
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: see this with a variety of fillers. He saw this

935
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: with the Boston Bombers, Bilders on I have where people

936
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: who are I believe it was, oh god, there are

937
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy got married while he was still in jail,

938
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: and you know, they they believe that they are super

939
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: attracted sexually to bad boys, criminals, medians, and they want

940
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: those typical risky, you know, risky relationships, and so they're

941
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: attracted to criminals. So yeah, Ped Bundy, I wouldn't surprise

942
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 3: me if there were people who were attracted to Jeffrey Dahmer.

943
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: It's absolutely a certain paraphilia that's out there, and it's

944
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: this desire for intent risky relationship.

945
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to Jeffrey Dahmer get letters in jail

946
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: just saying like please eat me, Jeffrey please.

947
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

948
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 6: And this is this is why you see I mean

949
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 6: a lot of the true crime documentaries. It's kind of

950
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 6: wild to me how many of these serial killers have

951
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 6: so many lovers right that they're exchanging letters with me.

952
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 6: And it directly comes from, like you said that, that

953
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 6: weird desire to be with the bad boys.

954
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: If you will, you even get funnier version, funny subversions

955
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 4: of that, Like didn't Martin Screlley had that journalist fall

956
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 4: in love with him while he was in jail, and

957
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: I think she did she leave her she like left

958
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: her boyfriend or even left her husband over it. And

959
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: this was a purely non physical relationship. He was in

960
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: prison the whole time, and then he got out and

961
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: I think they quite promptly broke up once he was

962
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: out of prison.

963
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: Weird, weird, Yeah, Martin Strelley exactly. But Martin Skerelley do

964
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: nothing wrong.

965
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 5: Jack's part of the cult. I love it.

966
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: You know, Martin Skelley was not a murderer. Martin Strelley

967
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: was a farmer.

968
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 5: Bro Oh, okay, got I got it.

969
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little like his his crime. It felt

970
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 4: odd it. I just felt like it wasn't spectacular enough

971
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: to get a woman swooning for you over it, but

972
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Speaker 4: she was really into it. And then he man. I

973
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 4: haven't heard about that guy since he kind of tried

974
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: to get Baron Trump into that crypto thing. But I

975
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 4: guess that's getting a little off topic.

976
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: He's on Twitter. I see him there every once in

977
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: a while. He does like spaces and stuff and guys

978
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: just do me favor. Through that picture of Tyl Robinson

979
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: up again, from the court today. Please do that much

980
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 3: of good things with all of us. Just do it,

981
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: because there is something I want to say.

982
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: When we look this picture.

983
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: It is not the behavior of a patsy. Guys, this

984
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: is not the behavior. This is not the way it

985
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: would look. This is not the way that a person

986
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: would comfort themselves if they were thinking, Oh I was

987
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: set up, Oh I shouldn't be here, Oh you got

988
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: you gotta get me out.

989
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: I was falsely accused. This guy doesn't look upset at all.

990
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know here we got in a single one

991
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: of these images or videos, any image of him actually

992
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 3: looking upset.

993
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: It's not there.

994
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: He's happy, he's grinning, he's smug. He's smug about what

995
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: he did. And look, you know, say what you.

996
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: Want about me. I don't really care.

997
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: Honestly, I've never cared people, probably all sorts of things.

998
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: But this guy, this guy's sitting there looking slug. He's

999
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: sitting there looking smug. It's simple as that.

1000
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 6: The other thing that bothers me is the longer that

1001
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 6: this case goes, it's just going to continuously be more attention.

1002
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously I want attention to honor Charlie, but

1003
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 6: It's just going to be more fodder for all the trolls, right,

1004
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 6: every time that this is live, every time it's out there,

1005
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 6: every time there's something new, and this grin obviously, you know,

1006
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 6: the first time we're seeing him, it should make us

1007
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 6: all burn inside. And I'm sure the people that you

1008
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 6: know praise him, and the people that celebrated the death

1009
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 6: of Charlie, you know, they love seeing that, right, This

1010
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 6: gives them something else to share, something else to celebrate.

1011
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 5: And they're just pieces of garbage. I'm gonna continue to say.

1012
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: That, absolute and utter pieces of garbling garbage pad something.

1013
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we have we have a good we have

1014
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 4: a nice message. We have this one from Kyrie McCallan.

1015
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 4: Another I see her in the chat all the time.

1016
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 4: Kyrie donated to ten and says, please give us who

1017
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: love Charlie, his family, the Charlie Kirk Show team and

1018
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 4: all the teams of Turning Point, some practical ways that

1019
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 4: we can share the arrows, as Ali Stuckey says, that

1020
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: are being directed at all of you. You know, I

1021
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 4: think the best way is uh no know the details

1022
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: of this case read the indictment. Charging documents are online

1023
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: that the evidence against him is online and you can

1024
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: also go read a search a guy named Turkey Tom.

1025
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 4: There's a video you can look up called I Believe

1026
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: it is the man who killed Charlie Kirk. Obviously he's

1027
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 4: presumed innocent, but that is the title of the video.

1028
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: Let me make sure I have that exactly right. Ohait,

1029
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: it is titled the man who Killed Charlie Kirk. And

1030
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 4: there's also a if you prefer reading, there's a substack

1031
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: post that you can find by the same person. And

1032
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 4: what it gets into is it gets into the evidence

1033
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 4: about his personal life, his relationship with his boyfriend, the

1034
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 4: evidence you know that the stuff people have said is weird,

1035
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 4: such as him calling his boyfriend my love in their messages,

1036
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 4: the guy saying that is in fact how they talk

1037
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 4: to each other. If you guys want to help share

1038
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 4: the arrows, learn those facts because the most common thing

1039
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: you see is you see the Robin simps as as

1040
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: they're calling them. Who are going to just say, oh,

1041
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: he's a patsy. Oh there's no evidence for this. Oh,

1042
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 4: I think it's all fake. In truth, I think they're

1043
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: saying this because this is a drawn out process and

1044
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: not enough of it is on TV. Basically for them

1045
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 4: to feel like it's real, but it is real. The

1046
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 4: evidence in this case, we believe is quite strong. If

1047
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 4: we thought it was fake, if we thought they had

1048
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 4: the wrong guy, we would obviously be freaking out because

1049
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: we care deeply that the correct person be brought to

1050
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: justice for this. So the best way you can share

1051
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 4: those arrows is know those facts. So if it comes

1052
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: up in passing, you're able to say, oh, man, did

1053
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 4: you hear about this? Did you hear about the stuff

1054
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 4: that they were into? Did you hear about this nesting?

1055
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: Because it really is a bizarre case. You could make

1056
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: a fascinating There will be fascinating true crime documentaries about

1057
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 4: all of this one day, because it is lurid. It

1058
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: is incredibly a setting to see the life, the lives

1059
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 4: that these people were leading, and to think that this

1060
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: allowed a person to go and to just go and

1061
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 4: randomly strike down a person as great as Charlie. So

1062
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: maybe you have your own thoughts, Cliff, but that's my

1063
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 4: thought on how to share the load.

1064
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, of course referring to you know, the

1065
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 6: public perception of what's happening in the trial, But I

1066
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 6: also want to say what Charlie want us to do

1067
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 6: to share the arrows is to go do the work.

1068
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: Right.

1069
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 6: Obviously, I'm not always going to pitch that we got

1070
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 6: to be out chasing ballots, but I wouldn't be doing

1071
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 6: my job if I didn't get out there, you know,

1072
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 6: get involved, find a way to advance our cause when

1073
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 6: it comes to the political scene, when it comes to

1074
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 6: the ideology of trying to reach new people, that's the

1075
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 6: way to share it, right. I'm not saying you have

1076
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 6: to ignore the trial. Obviously we're all going to follow along.

1077
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 5: We're rooting for justice for Charlie.

1078
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 6: But at the same time we have to double down.

1079
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 6: We have to go out there. Turning Point has to survive.

1080
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 6: Turning Point has to thrive in terms of not just campus,

1081
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 6: but all the Turning Point action, all the efforts, the

1082
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 6: things that we're doing.

1083
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 5: That's what this is all about. And when I think.

1084
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 6: About what Charlie would be telling me right now, it

1085
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 6: would be yes, honor him, follow the trial.

1086
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, we cannot get distracted.

1087
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 6: And what I mean by that is not that we're

1088
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 6: gonna not give him the homage that he deserves, but

1089
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 6: he would want us to do the work and So

1090
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 6: for all of you out there that have done certain things,

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Speaker 6: whether it's twenty twenty four or before, twenty twenty six

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Speaker 6: is coming up, and that's a huge opportunity for us

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Speaker 6: to get involved and to truly make a difference when

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Speaker 6: it comes to figuring out ways to do the work

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Speaker 6: as Charlie would want us.

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Speaker 4: To do exactly exactly Like in the end, a lot

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Speaker 4: of the nastiest stuff that's said, it's said because it

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Speaker 4: wants to it wants to hurt the mission. It's people

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Speaker 4: on the left who promoted, oh, actually a maga guy

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Speaker 4: did this. They say that for ideologically motivated reasons, and

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Speaker 4: people from other aspects do it. They want to ultimately,

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Speaker 4: for whatever thing is going through their head, they want

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Speaker 4: to tear down the things that Charlie fought for, the

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Speaker 4: things that Charlie died for. And so along with what

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Speaker 4: I suggested, Cliff is absolutely right to do the work.

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Speaker 4: You want to be engaged. If you're in Indiana, we've

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Speaker 4: been talking about that. They just had that vote on

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Speaker 4: their redistricting map and it failed. It failed not because

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Speaker 4: of Democrats, it failed because of Republicans. And so we've

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Speaker 4: been saying, turning point, action will be taking action on that.

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Speaker 4: If you're in that state, that is an easy way

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Speaker 4: to get involved with something right now that is relevant.

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Speaker 4: But I know other people are saying they want to

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Speaker 4: find out other facts. Some people mentioned Paramount Tactical. I

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Speaker 4: was just looking at their videos the other day. They

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Speaker 4: have great videos just talking about the details of the case,

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Speaker 4: how we can know what happened or why some things

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Speaker 4: people are saying about the bullet. For example, there's been

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Speaker 4: a lot of claims, oh, this bullet could not possibly

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Speaker 4: have been what killed Charlie. And there's some great Paramount

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Speaker 4: Tacticals one. There's other gun experts who've dived into that,

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Speaker 4: and believe me, you'll hear from more. You'll hear more

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Speaker 4: from us on that in just a matter of a

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Speaker 4: few days. But we have I think one more message

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Speaker 4: here and then we'll close it out because we have

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Speaker 4: this hard out here. Eb Dim the Ninth, Ebdim the

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Speaker 4: Ninth me I'll go with that, Ebdom the Ninth, be

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Speaker 4: blessed in the Lord, Brother Blake and crew. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for that. Thank you to everyone who tuned

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Speaker 4: in for this, and we'll see you next week, amfest.

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Speaker 4: I believe we're doing thought crime on stage at Amfest

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Speaker 4: next week. We encourage you to tune into that, and

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Speaker 4: tune into every other part of Amfest until then, and

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Speaker 4: until always, keep committing thought crime.

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Speaker 7: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 7: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com