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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale KA. I'm Hugh Hewett. Join now by

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal calumnist Ai Senior Director of Domestic Policy Studies,

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Speaker 1: Matt Continetti. Follow Matt on exit Continetti. Matt, we got

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Speaker 1: a lot to cover in fourteen minutes over two segments,

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Speaker 1: So let me start with Eli Lakes article on the

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Speaker 1: Free Press last night. Is Donald Trump doing psychological warfare

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Speaker 1: on the Iranians? What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I think Eli makes a compelling case, Hugh, that we're

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Speaker 2: living in the fog of Trump, that Donald Trump's comments

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Speaker 2: about the war and about diplomacy are, in a way

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Speaker 2: another tool he's using in this conflict with Iran in

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Speaker 2: order to one set the Iranian leadership against itself, to

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Speaker 2: confuse the Iranian leadership, but also two to keep the

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Speaker 2: markets in a place where they don't panic to such

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Speaker 2: a degree that we face an economic calamity that.

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Speaker 3: Would bring the war to a premature close.

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Speaker 2: So I thought Eli's peace was very persuasive, and I

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Speaker 2: recommend it to everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find what the price of the markets

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Speaker 1: are up today. Crude oils at one hundred and one

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Speaker 1: dollars in ninety seven. It's not going crazy. I think

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Speaker 1: people think the Strait's going to get fixed eventually, do

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Speaker 2: I think the markets are taking in a lot of

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Speaker 2: different information. I think they see some ships getting by.

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Speaker 2: I think they have a new hope that the war

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Speaker 2: may come to a end sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 3: And then they also have Trump's rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting that Trump always begins the week by

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Speaker 2: talking about diplomacy, by talking about ending the war soon,

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Speaker 2: and that tends to reassure the markets.

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Speaker 3: And it's later in.

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Speaker 2: The week when we have kind of the big booms

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Speaker 2: over different cities and the missile sites in Tehran, and

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Speaker 2: the war continues until it's complete, which I think is

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Speaker 2: Trump's main objective.

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Speaker 1: I listened to Dan Senor yesterday talking to Fred Kagan

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Speaker 1: and Adavel. Do you listen to Dan Matt?

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Speaker 2: I do not, perhaps as regularly as I should don't

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Speaker 2: let Dan know, but.

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Speaker 1: Yes, as he's too busy. But Fred Kagan makes the

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Speaker 1: point the Iranians may not know how much trouble they're in.

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Speaker 1: Their internet's been down, they may not actually have the

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's possible or even likely?

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Speaker 2: I think it's probable. I mean when you consider that,

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Speaker 2: if you're in the leadership cadres of the Iranian regime,

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Speaker 2: you are underground right now, Hugh. You know that the

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Speaker 2: most important thing in this war is location, because if

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Speaker 2: drone launch locations, they will be targeted and you will

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Speaker 2: who are ordering the retaliatory strikes, the people who are

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Speaker 2: that apparatus of repression that's keeping the people in a

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Speaker 2: state of fear in Iran. They don't know the full

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Speaker 2: my colleague Fred Kagan suggests, that when the war ends,

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Speaker 2: they're going to come up from their bunkers. They're going

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Speaker 1: Does Fred ever laugh? He chuckles, Okay, to chuck it

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Speaker 1: mirthful chuck, because he really is as serious as death

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Speaker 1: when he's talking to people about this war, as he

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Speaker 2: I think it's expressing his genuine feeling about the European

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Speaker 2: also reopening the Strait of Hermus. You know, about a

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Speaker 2: So you would ask, well, what powers then have the

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Speaker 3: Well, that would mean that the European.

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Speaker 1: They're going to where America. I'll be right back with

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Speaker 1: Matt Contenetty. We got to talk more about NATO. When

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Speaker 1: I was just a lad younger even than young mister Continetti,

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Speaker 1: I'd wander around a white house full of cap Weinberger

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Speaker 1: with visits from Margaret Thatcher and Helmet Cole and Francois

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Speaker 1: and cruise missiles, and it was a bullmark. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to ask Matt on the other side whether it is anymore.

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Speaker 1: Can then begin to think it's not. Stay tuned, Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett. Matt Continetty is with me. Matt.

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Speaker 1: When we went to the break, I was recalling the

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Speaker 1: now I look at it's not that your it's starmer

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Speaker 1: it's not Megan, it's Macron and it's I don't know

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Speaker 1: who's run in Germany. He's pretty good for Merz, but

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Speaker 3: It's damaged. It's looking for a purpose.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: You have to first start with the premise that this

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Speaker 2: is the most successful alliance in history, Hugh. It meant

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Speaker 2: was meant to prevent a great power war in Europe

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Speaker 2: after the two most devastating wars in human history occurred

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Speaker 2: on the European soil, and to that extent, it has

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Speaker 2: been one of the most remarkable alliances in human history.

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Speaker 2: There has been no great power war since the War

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Speaker 2: of World War Two in nineteen forty five. However, NATO's

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Speaker 2: taken on other forms as well. And of course we

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Speaker 2: after nine to eleven. That was a case where all

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Speaker 2: And then since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: The question is what is NATO's purpose now? What is

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Speaker 2: is to say, America has the predominance of power, It

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Speaker 2: contributes most of the funds to NATO. Donald Trump has

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Speaker 2: been very effective in persuading or forcing the NATO powers

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Speaker 2: to recognize their own interest in increasing defense spending when

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Speaker 2: it comes to ensuring freedom and navigation in the Persian Gulf,

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Speaker 2: something that is of importance to European economies. Why aren't

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Speaker 2: that America has done for them? This needs to be communicated,

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Speaker 2: and he needs to be communicated strongly. You're right that

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Speaker 2: there were giants in those days in the eighties. There

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Speaker 2: think of it in the past. But right now I

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Speaker 2: think that we were facing an impast with NATO, and

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Speaker 2: the NATO powers need to understand that for all America

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Speaker 2: in this case, not just America in pursuing its mission

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Speaker 2: for all through the pain.

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Speaker 3: And I will help Europeans well.

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Speaker 1: I'm very aware that there are British families, and there

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Speaker 1: NATO members who gave their sons and daughters in the

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Speaker 1: war in Afghanistan. Sam in Iraq. I remember Tony Blair

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Speaker 1: don't know that they have any will anymore. Matt Iran

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Speaker 2: Cly don't have the will right now yeah, and you

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Speaker 2: And in the case of UK, you know they're run

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Speaker 1: So mankind and I have no knowledge about anything, but

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is acting like a very confident man, which

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Speaker 1: You and I'm afraid we're going to lose the Senate,

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Speaker 1: I think now when I last talked to you, I

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Speaker 1: thought DHS was going to be reopened, and then the

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Speaker 1: Matt Contenetty, have a great weekend or I actually talked

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Speaker 1: on TV Wars Underway. No one better to talk with

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Speaker 1: about it than Brett Baer, host of Special Report, America's anchorman. Brett,

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Speaker 5: Together, we continue to deliver precision strikes against key manufacturing nodes,

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Speaker 4: No, I mean when you can't get a hold of

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that's part of who he is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a couple other stories that came up today, Brett,

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. I mean, who's it going to be?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody's out to get him on his team. He

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Speaker 1: Brett Behar will be watching Tonight at six pm, Special

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Speaker 1: Fail, Welcome back America. I'm you Hewett. Play that for

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Speaker 6: I actually have at my playlist.

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Speaker 10: I'd like for some of them, but that one.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Ronald Reagan, that Autocrats, that that that iron booth

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Speaker 6: that descended out America's neck for eight years.

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Speaker 10: Anyway, what about it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I want you're the epicenter of No Kingsland Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: You were ground zero for No Kings so you're like

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Speaker 1: Lexington and Learn.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so many people showed up for that, and

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Speaker 6: good for them. You know, Springsteen shows up place for free.

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Speaker 6: You're going to get an awful lot of people, and

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Speaker 6: I'm not surprised that there were. That that's what you

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Speaker 6: have around here. You have a lot of people who

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Speaker 6: still think there's no Kings. Thing has some sort of

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Speaker 6: relevance and its other sort of funny. One of them,

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Speaker 6: one of the people speaking a comedian, I was telling

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Speaker 6: everybody that actually what they should do is they should

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Speaker 6: listen to the people who are the movement leaders here,

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Speaker 6: who they've done the groundwork, they've done, the thinking, they've done,

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Speaker 6: the organizational work. Listen to them, do what they say,

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Speaker 6: which sounds awfully astocratic to me, the idea that every

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Speaker 6: single one of these people, of course, would vote for

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Speaker 6: an administration that would have more control over their territory,

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Speaker 6: their property, their speech, their actions, what kind of car

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Speaker 6: they drive, what kind of license, what kind of light

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Speaker 6: bulb they use, how many gallons.

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Speaker 10: Their toilet can use and their shower and flush. Their

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Speaker 10: party is the party of macro and micromanaging your life

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Speaker 10: at all sorts of levels, using the.

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Speaker 6: State and its power to do so. So maybe they're

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Speaker 6: not Kings, but I'm more likely to show up for

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Speaker 6: a no commissars at rally. Then again, when you've got

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Speaker 6: people at the No Kings rally flying the old red

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Speaker 6: flag with a hammer and sickle.

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Speaker 10: I would look around a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you somebody, did you see that

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Speaker 1: that was in Minneapolis, the hammer and the sickle within Minneapolis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with you people?

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Speaker 10: Well, what's this youth stuff here?

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Speaker 6: I'm not going and waving the old dreadful And I

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Speaker 6: hated the hammer and sickle when I was a kid

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Speaker 6: because they looked like they hurt. It's like we've got

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Speaker 6: two things to symbolize our government. One will stab you

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Speaker 6: and the other will knock you out. I mean, it's

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Speaker 6: just abhord that symbol. But it ought to be as

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Speaker 6: reprehensible to people as a swastika. The number of people

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Speaker 6: who died under the oppressed peoples who yearned under I

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Speaker 6: can't find the word who grown yoke.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 6: It ought not to be displayed without some people turning

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Speaker 6: around and.

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Speaker 10: Saying, no, that's a little bit too far. But the

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Speaker 10: communists it is.

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Speaker 1: A swastia, the purest, the purest massion. It was swasti.

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Speaker 1: But the more people died under Moulin Stalin than died

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Speaker 1: under Hitler's right and they don't know that. So my

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Speaker 1: question to college yesterday, are the No King people dumb

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Speaker 1: or are they indifferent to the fact that makes no

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Speaker 1: sense and they're just anti Trump?

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Speaker 10: Well, these are not mutually exclusive. There's a whole bunch

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Speaker 10: of people there.

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Speaker 6: There are people who probably were giving a little goose

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Speaker 6: to show up by some organizations answer you know, anyone

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Speaker 6: that's being run by Chinese billionaires. There people who show

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Speaker 6: up on the goodness of their heart because they really

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Speaker 6: do believe that fascism has descended on the country and

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Speaker 6: that Minnesota being the epicenter of the unfortunate ice accidents,

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Speaker 6: ice incidents here, they were radicalized, or it's something fun

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Speaker 6: to do to hear Springsteen, or they you know, just

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Speaker 6: that the general matrix of it's good to protest because

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Speaker 6: that's what we did in the sixties and we changed everything.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's what old liberal people do is show

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Speaker 6: up at these things with signs and then the next

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Speaker 6: day absolutely nothing has changed.

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Speaker 10: So it's all of those things. I mean, it's useful idiots.

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Speaker 6: It's people who are just automatically kneedj youre gain saying

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Speaker 6: anything that comes out of the right wing.

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Speaker 10: Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Did you go here Springsteen?

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Speaker 10: No, I have no interest ne hearing Bruce anymore.

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Speaker 6: And I do think it's interesting also that this guy,

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Speaker 6: the working man's hero, is referred to as the Boss.

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Speaker 10: I just wondered about that.

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Speaker 6: You can tell he's a man of the people because

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Speaker 6: he's named himself after the overlord that makes the workers

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Speaker 6: do his bidding. I lost interest in Springsteen a long

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Speaker 6: time ago. The great music there is still, but I'm

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Speaker 6: not particularly interested.

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Speaker 1: I went under the web to find his last concert

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Speaker 1: and I found that he played this twenty twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: summer at a rally or fall for Kamala Harris. So

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Speaker 1: it's not like Bruce's politics have changed. He's not really

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Speaker 1: anti monarchical. He's still a left ringer, that's all it is.

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Speaker 6: Well, right, But back in the day, you know, he

533
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Speaker 6: would sing my Hometalent, and he would talk about the

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Speaker 6: industrial capacity of the country being hollowed out by NAFTA and.

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Speaker 10: The rest of it.

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Speaker 6: And these are things that resonated with people and still

537
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Speaker 6: do now, except it's the other party that's talking about them.

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Speaker 6: So his alegatic pins to by gone America hit right

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Speaker 6: during the Reagan era. But again, everybody was blaming Reagan

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Speaker 6: for that when it turns out that globalism seems not

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Speaker 6: to be the preserve of the right wing anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who's running for Senate Minnesota, but there

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Speaker 1: are three senators on the Democratic side running, and or

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Speaker 1: would be senators running on the Democratic side in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: One of them has got a tape recording in the

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Speaker 1: Washington Free Beacon expressing the fact he's not going to

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Speaker 1: say anything bad about Iatoa Hamini because some people are

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Speaker 1: feeling bad that he's dead. Do you have anyone that

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Speaker 1: nut's running in Minnesota, Not.

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Speaker 10: That we can tell it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's a bad thing that that man said,

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Speaker 6: and it ought to disqualify him. It's bad things about

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Speaker 6: his constituency. But we don't have anybody that crazy. But

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Speaker 6: we won't have anybody actually who will probably win on

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Speaker 6: the R side because they nominate to unelectable people. I'm

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Speaker 6: still thinking that when somebody does win, as somebody that

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Speaker 6: comes out of nowhere, says all the right things, makes

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Speaker 6: people laugh, seems like a new fresh breath and has

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Speaker 6: a little sarcastic edge to them, and everybody's pleased.

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Speaker 10: And this person gets in.

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Speaker 6: Everyone's agreed, and then at the swearing end he takes

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Speaker 6: the zipper and he pulls it down all the way

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Speaker 6: and Al Franken steps out of the costume.

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Speaker 1: You got to give Tom Wyler a look. I've known

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Speaker 1: Tom a long time. There's some Marina retired now. Michelle

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Speaker 1: Tafoye is running. Should be a good candidate. There's a

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Speaker 1: CeAl in there. The Republicans actually have three decent candidates

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Speaker 1: this time for the Senate seat. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: Minnesoko can be saved, but they have three decent candidates.

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Speaker 10: Well, we can be saved, you know.

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Speaker 6: Orwell said in nineteen eighty four, the prolls of the hope,

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Speaker 6: And that's the way that when Minnesota feel about the outstaters,

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Speaker 6: the city itself is just a hot red shanker or

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Speaker 6: a hot red shanker of liberalism. The recity outstage, which

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Speaker 6: has read politically, is completely different from the metro core.

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Speaker 1: Lost population for Polaria is the Twin cities going down

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Speaker 1: in population?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think it is a bit. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 10: I don't.

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Speaker 6: Know, We're we're not exactly robustly gaining like Texas and Florida.

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Speaker 10: Let's put it that way, is in our own choice.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see how the census reflects up there. Lilex,

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Speaker 1: Happy Passover in advance to are you busy cleaning?

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Speaker 9: Yes? And cooking? And I hate every second of it.

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Speaker 9: This is my least favorite holiday by mile.

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Speaker 1: You know, my buddy Mark was over last night. Retired

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Speaker 1: Navy Captain Jewish lives up in your neck of the woods,

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Speaker 1: and he tells me the Jews in then and spring cleaning,

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Speaker 1: and you really do have to clean, like every inch

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Speaker 1: of that does seth help? No? Oh to the kid's help.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I tried to. So I did have my older

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Speaker 9: kids run a passover babysitting camp with the younger kids today.

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Speaker 9: That cost me fifty dollars and it was worth it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think I see some bread on the bookshelf

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Speaker 1: behind you now, Bethany, I am curious as to the

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Speaker 1: mood you think will be around the Passover table in

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Speaker 1: it tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, absolutely, I it's funny. There's a really funny

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Speaker 9: meme that's going around Jewish Instagram and social media where

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Speaker 9: people are talking about, you know, how hard it is

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Speaker 9: at least we only have two days of the holiday,

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Speaker 9: because in America and anywhere in the diaspora we have

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Speaker 9: three because of stupid reasons that are not worth talking about.

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Speaker 9: That Judaism is not logical. Sometimes this is one of

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Speaker 9: you know, we have Iranian missiles, but you guys have

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Speaker 9: three days of holidays. So I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 9: know you.

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Speaker 1: Have does the family is it a one family deal

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Speaker 1: or is it everybody in the neighborhood comes or everybody

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Speaker 1: in the extended family comes, so.

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Speaker 9: A lot of people have extended family. We are actually

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Speaker 9: hosting my in laws this year for the first time.

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Speaker 9: They've never st at our house. No pressure, low key, terrified.

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Speaker 9: We'll see how it goes. I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a true Is your mother in law

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Speaker 1: good cook? She is?

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Speaker 9: She is, but hopefully she'll she'll be kind to me.

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Speaker 9: My father in law whenever I've cooked for him, has

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Speaker 9: always been very kind.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully hopefully.

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Speaker 11: Let me go back past muster.

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Speaker 1: To the war A meet Segal. Do you read him?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: All the time? Okay, Meat just posted that Israel hit

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Speaker 1: Iran steel production facilities yesterday, and I quote Iran is

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Speaker 1: the largest steel producer in the Middle East and ranks

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Speaker 1: among the top ten globally. These two factories alone account

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Speaker 1: for billions of dollars of revenue, about three percent of

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Speaker 1: IRANI and GDP. The impact on the economy was a

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Speaker 1: side effect Israel accepted, and now seems that the side

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Speaker 1: effect may have been more powerful than the primary one.

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Speaker 1: According to IDF intelligence, the regime's political and leadership now

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Speaker 1: believes there's no way to repair the war damage, and

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Speaker 1: Ron simply lacks sufficient funds. It reportedly has broken the

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Speaker 1: spirit of many in the regime. That assessment is that

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Speaker 1: given the prolonged economic recovery after the war that will

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Speaker 1: inevitably consume the vast majority of state budgets, massive protests

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Speaker 1: will erupt. That's optimistic, but it sounds plausible. What do

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Speaker 1: you think.

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Speaker 9: It's definitely plausible. I would be surprised that there's any

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Speaker 9: optimism or any sort of any sense of good feeling

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Speaker 9: in our on long before this. I think it's probably

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Speaker 9: kicking a dead horse when it's down. But I've been

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Speaker 9: waiting for a long time, like when are we going

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Speaker 9: to start seeing these protests erupt on the Iranian streets.

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Speaker 9: I've heard from experts like the folks at FDD that

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Speaker 9: they're waiting for the bombs to stop dropping before they

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Speaker 9: get onto the streets. But I think all of this

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Speaker 9: stuff has a massive chumlaative effect that will hopefully end

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Speaker 9: the regime once the war is actually over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Fred Kagan was on with Dan Senior. Did you

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Speaker 1: listen to call me back this week?

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Speaker 8: I did not.

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Speaker 9: This is like you're getting me in trouble sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 9: I realized that there was like a homework assignment there

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Speaker 9: is you.

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Speaker 1: Got to listen every Dan soor but Fred Kagan, I do,

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Speaker 1: Matt Conde, he assures me. He does occasionally smile and laugh,

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Speaker 1: but he's like the most serious man in the world.

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Speaker 1: And he said repeatedly that Iran really doesn't know how

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Speaker 1: badly Iran's been hurt because they can't talk to each other.

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Speaker 9: M Yeah, it makes sense. It's it's interesting because that's

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Speaker 9: the that's the side effect of them shutting down the

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Speaker 9: internet is that there's no communication theoretically within the regime itself,

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Speaker 9: but also the fact that there's who is there to

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Speaker 9: talk to. The Americans and the Israelis are killing the

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Speaker 9: Iranian you know, leaders of the regime every three seconds.

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Speaker 9: The problem is who is there left.

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Speaker 1: To talk to? Well, President Trump is talking to the

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Speaker 1: speaker of the Parliament and Eli Lake calls it the

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Speaker 1: fog of Trump and a play on the phrase fog

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Speaker 1: of war, and that he's purposefully playing mind games with

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Speaker 1: the Iranians. What do you think of that theory?

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Speaker 9: I think it's an interesting theory. I mean, I always

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Speaker 9: think that Trump is playing mind games with everyone always,

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Speaker 9: and he's so good at it. I don't know why

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Speaker 9: he wouldn't do it in this instance when he does

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Speaker 9: it to Democrats during the State of the Union.

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Speaker 1: All right, last question, Bethany. The Democrats have shuttered the

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Speaker 1: Department of a Land Security, which includes the Office of Infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: Cyber and Infrastructure of Security CISA Cyber and Infrastructure of Security.

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Speaker 1: The Iranians can't do much now. They can threaten the

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Speaker 1: straight and they can do their cyber games if they

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Speaker 1: can get a computer to work. How crazy is that

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats. We had a has blattack in the

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Speaker 1: country in Michigan this week. How crazy is it to

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Speaker 1: have DHS closed.

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Speaker 9: It's wild. But they are operating under the assumption. I

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Speaker 9: think it's the correct one that there are no consequences

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Speaker 9: because their Americans aren't paying attention that much. They see

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Speaker 9: what's happening at TSA, but they think that that's the

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Speaker 9: extent of it.

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Speaker 11: I live online.

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Speaker 9: I live in this world of you know, always thinking

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Speaker 9: about and talking about these issues, and I didn't know

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Speaker 9: that that was closed. So if that's the case, then

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Speaker 9: the average American certainly.

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Speaker 1: Has no idea if you live online. Okay, a bonus question.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear the phone call from the Senate candidate Michigan?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 8: I did.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me play this. This is mister Vada

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Speaker 1: al Saied Abdua al Sayed talking about how many in

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Speaker 1: Dearborn are bemoaning the loss of the killer comany here

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 5: I also want to remind you guys that there are

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Speaker 5: a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today.

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Speaker 10: So like, I just don't want to comment on money

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Speaker 10: to have any at all.

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Speaker 11: I don't think it's worth.

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Speaker 10: Even touching that.

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Speaker 3: Like they're going to try and this is what we practiced,

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Speaker 3: but like.

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Speaker 10: Is it a how many of god?

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Speaker 1: Guy? I think great that he's dead on my first

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Speaker 1: amas eighty six years old.

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Speaker 3: Who's going to be dead?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes sit anyway, what do you think, bethink that help

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Speaker 1: him or hurt him?

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Speaker 9: So I loved your question to Brett Bayer because this

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Speaker 9: is my question as well.

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Speaker 1: Who leaked this?

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Speaker 9: I think that's the most interesting question, And it must

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Speaker 9: be that there's someone within the Democratic Party, someone within

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Speaker 9: you know, some his campaign that has a conscience and

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Speaker 9: has a sense of the fact that this is going

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Speaker 9: in a bad direction for Democrats. Simping for Hesbola is

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Speaker 9: not a good look. But it's scary that you know,

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Speaker 9: that's that's an unnamed person who's willing to put their

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Speaker 9: job on the line to leak this video. But there's

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Speaker 9: not enough of those, I don't know, conscientious objectures, I

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Speaker 9: guess in the Democratic Party to put up the flag

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Speaker 9: and say, guys, this is a real problem.

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Speaker 1: The call goes on much longer. There are at least

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Speaker 1: five people on that call. Do you think they'll have

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Speaker 1: an inquisition or are they just is it going to

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Speaker 1: be like the leak of the roka of the DBT's decision.

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Speaker 1: We'll never know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, I I and I think that internally they'll

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Speaker 9: figure it out, and it's probably they'll they'll set their

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Speaker 9: sights on someone who's who's Jewish. Probably that will be

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Speaker 9: their first suspect. But I think that's maybe the only

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Speaker 9: person on the on a campaign that has a conscience

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Speaker 9: enough to say hi, uh. It's because he in that call. Also,

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Speaker 9: he talks about how he doesn't want to discuss what

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Speaker 9: happened in Michigan at the preschool where it was an

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Speaker 9: attempted massacre of Jewish children. If that's not your your

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Speaker 9: dividing line of morality you have, you have no Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I usually root for the weakest Democrat to get the nomination.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing so in this case because I'm too

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Speaker 1: afraid outside Ed would actually win by some although Mike

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Speaker 1: Lodge is a very strong candidate. Methane Mandel, A happy

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Speaker 1: passover to you and to set them, to the children

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Speaker 1: and to your in laws. Thank you all. You're right

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Speaker 1: back in America States, mornin glory and even grace America.

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Speaker 1: I'm here, welcome to the two day edition of the

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewitt Show. Very excited about today. In the final hour,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking with Arthur Brooks of Harvard

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Speaker 1: Business School about his brand new book, The Meaning of

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Speaker 1: Your Life. But I'm opening the program with an individual

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Speaker 1: I've known about forever. I've never met him. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: know me, maybe he's never heard the show. But Bishop

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Speaker 1: Robert Barron may be the most prominent Catholic in America,

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Speaker 1: and except for Popolio, probably the most prominent American Catholic period.

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Speaker 1: But I think Popolo has got better name recognition. You

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Speaker 1: reread me, Bishop Baron.

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Speaker 11: That's probably true. I was on your program many years ago.

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Speaker 7: I was still oh my goodness, and yeah, it was

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Speaker 7: probably about twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, something like that and

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Speaker 7: I remember talking to you from my car on the radio.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I appreciate that, and you'll forgive my memory.

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Speaker 1: I'm seventy now, so I'm beginning to forget twenty five

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Speaker 1: years ago shows. But recently you sat down. You sat

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Speaker 1: down with my buddy Larry arn and he talked to

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Speaker 1: me after that. He's on the program once a week.

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Speaker 1: He said, you got to talk to Bishop Baron. He

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Speaker 1: knows the score with the young people. I said, well,

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Speaker 1: I will do that. I will do that during Easter

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Speaker 1: Week if we can set that up. So welcome Bishop.

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Speaker 1: First of all, will you tell people your story about

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Speaker 1: how Word on Fire came to be? Actually when you

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Speaker 1: became a preach. You know, you did a year at

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame and then you went to seminary. Give him

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Speaker 1: the whole Robert Barron story.

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Speaker 11: Well what in about thirty seconds? Well, yeah, I entered.

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Speaker 7: The seminary about halfway through college and went to Catholic

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Speaker 7: University on a philosophy scholarship. So I have a philosophy background,

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Speaker 7: studied theology at the seminary in Chicago.

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Speaker 11: Did parish work for a while.

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Speaker 7: Then I went to Paris to the Institute Catholique in

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Speaker 7: Paris and got my doctorate in theology. And then I

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Speaker 7: taught for many years at the seminary outside Chicago Mondoline,

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Speaker 7: and then I became rector under the great Cardinal.

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Speaker 11: George, who was sort of a hero to me.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and I was in that position for a three

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Speaker 7: year only, and then I was made auxiliary bishop out

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Speaker 7: in Los Angeles, which was a complete surprise to me.

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Speaker 7: But I spent six wonderful years in Santa Barbara and

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Speaker 7: I was out there under Archbishop Jose Gomez. And then

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Speaker 7: just a few years ago I was made bishop in

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Speaker 7: the basically it's the southern part of Minnesota Diocese at Winona, Rochester.

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Speaker 7: So I've had a background in both academics and pastoral work.

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Speaker 7: And then alongside of all that was Word on Fire.

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Speaker 7: So that began, oh late nineties, around the year two thousand,

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Speaker 7: when I felt we Catholics needed to do more to

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Speaker 7: use this is really pre social media. We didn't have

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Speaker 7: solcial media in two thousand, but just to use the

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Speaker 7: classical media of radio and TV. So I got on

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Speaker 7: the radio at WGN Radio in Chicago at five point

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Speaker 7: fifteen on Sunday mornings for a sermon show, and that's

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Speaker 7: how we started and developed a website from there, and

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Speaker 7: that's where Word on Fire where they grew. The breakthrough

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Speaker 7: probably was the Catholicism Series. I did that and came

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Speaker 7: out in the twenty eleve where I went all over

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Speaker 7: the world and my model was Kenneth Clark and that

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Speaker 7: wonderful show. I wanted to do something similar for Catholicism,

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Speaker 7: to go all over the world and show the beauties

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Speaker 7: of the faith and talk about the truth of it.

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Speaker 11: And that had a big impact.

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Speaker 7: That was played on PBS, picked up all over the place,

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Speaker 7: and that allowed us to get more established institutionally. Now

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Speaker 7: we have, you know, different platforms that go over the

873
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 7: all over the English speaking world. I've got three offices

874
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 7: here in Rochester, Minnesota with me than one in Chicago,

875
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 7: one in Dallas. So Word on Fire is you know,

876
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 7: going on all cylinders and is uh, you know, I

877
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 7: think making a good contribution.

878
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that to ask you though.

879
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: Hardship duty in Santa Barbara. I live in Orange County

880
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: in the in the winter. That's where I go to

881
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: in the winter, so I know Santa Barbara pretty well.

882
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: That's really hardship duty. Did you enjoy your time in California?

883
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 11: I did? I did. It was a complete surprise.

884
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 7: I'm a Chicago guy, and usually when you're made in

885
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 7: auxiliary bishop, they make you bishop in your own diocese.

886
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 7: So I was sent out there, but yeah, I loved it.

887
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 7: I'm a beautiful place to live. They were great people.

888
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 7: The priests were very good to me.

889
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 11: So I loved it. But then you know the church,

890
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 11: you just you go where you're sent.

891
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 7: And then you get a call out of the blue

892
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 7: in this case was the Hope's appointed you bishop of

893
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 7: now your own diocese, and I you know, I love

894
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 7: it here. This is like coming home to me because

895
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 7: I'm a I'm a Midwesterner.

896
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Well i am too, I'm from Ohio and I got

897
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: to tell you. The Word on Fire and I'm a

898
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: Catholic is one of the two great things that happened

899
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: to the church in America in my lifetime. I think

900
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: Archbishopship you is probably living listening right now. He listened

901
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: to most days. Focus got started in Denver, and I

902
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: think Focus on doing great thing on campus, and then

903
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: Word of Fire came along to serve the whole church,

904
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: just not college kids. Would you agree those are maybe

905
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: the two most significant thing. Leo is a big deal,

906
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about Leon a moment.

907
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 11: Well, I'm a big fan of Focus.

908
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 7: I have no curse Martin for a long time, and

909
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 7: I go to Focus events and it has had a

910
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 7: beautiful contribution.

911
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 11: And actually I'm glad you mentioned Archbishop Shephew was kind

912
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 11: of a hero to me.

913
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 7: I met him, you know, many years ago, and he's

914
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 7: he's like the embodiment of the John Paul two.

915
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 11: Spirit in our country.

916
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 7: And so he, along with Cardinal George, was a great

917
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 7: influence on my own thinking and my desire to do

918
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 7: something in the pastoral order too.

919
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: Well a bishop you wouldn't know this, but he talked

920
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: me back into the church I left during the Reagan

921
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: years when I was in the White House and the

922
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: bishops would send us off the wall letters about nuclear

923
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: weapons and the economy that were just dumb, and I

924
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: just said, that's it. I can't take this anymore. And

925
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: then he basically talked me back into the thing. You

926
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: can't do that, you got to come back. So I

927
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: really love the guy and he's a wonderful, wonderful pastor.

928
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: I think he's a very pastoral Carl was a great

929
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: munch bishop.

930
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 11: Now tell me about churchman of our time?

931
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Eh? Yeah, what about the church in America? Because Arthur

932
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: is coming on new Arthur Brooks you should I mean Catholics.

933
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: I do. I know him very well. So his new

934
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: book begins by telling us that the Internet is killing

935
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,479
Speaker 1: the souls of people. There's a German word unhumenik, which

936
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: I can't say probably correctly. Do you speak German? You

937
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: speak like six languages. Do you speak German?

938
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 11: It's kind to ambition TOI spiking?

939
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: All right, I guess means something's not right at the home,

940
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: and you gets the vague fear that something's wrong. And

941
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: he thinks something's wrong in America and he says it's

942
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: the web, and he says it's young people. But you're

943
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: using the web for redemptive purposes. What's your idea of

944
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: the church in America?

945
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, first of all, about the Internet. It's

946
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 7: like everything else is good and bad, and I am

947
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 7: well aware of the dark side of it and the

948
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 7: way both young men and young women are affected differently,

949
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 7: but there's a negative for both of them. But it

950
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 7: also it's an opportunity and I think it's it would

951
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 7: be silly for the church to overlook this tool we've

952
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 7: been given to reach into people hearts who would.

953
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 11: Never come to our institutions.

954
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 7: You know, the old model has always build institutions and

955
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 7: schools and parishes and so on, and people will come

956
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 7: to be evangelized. Well, they're not coming. They haven't been

957
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 7: coming for a long time. So we've got to go

958
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 7: get them. And the internet does provide a tool. It

959
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 7: seems to me for the church to do that, and

960
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 7: we're on fire. Whatever success we've had, I think is

961
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 7: a sign that it can be efficacious.

962
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 11: That we can move into the space where we're not

963
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 11: just young people.

964
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 7: I mean, heck, now everybody's where everybody lives, for everybody,

965
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 7: and we.

966
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 11: Can reach them.

967
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 7: We can reach them people that would not come to

968
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 7: our institutions. Now the purpose as a Catholic is to

969
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 7: get them to Mass, is get them to the Eucharist.

970
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 7: So I'm not content if someone is just listening to

971
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 7: me online. That should be a you know, introduction. But

972
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 7: I think it's a tool that w'd be silly to drop.

973
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: Now it is Eastern Week, and that's why I'm particularly

974
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: pleased to have you. This is the week when a

975
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: lot of once a year Catholics go. Would you speak

976
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: directly to them about why it ought not to be

977
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: once a year, but hey, we're glad they're coming, but

978
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: it ought not to be once a year.

979
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 7: I typically do so usually at Christmas and Easter. You know,

980
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 7: at the end of Mass, thank you as wonder, we'll

981
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 7: see this big church you'll fill with people glad you're here.

982
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 7: But remember we celebrate the Lawd's Resurrection every Sunday, and

983
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 7: so you know, come back. It's you know, you have

984
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 7: to stress the practice of the faith in the kind

985
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 7: of double sense of that term. You have to practice

986
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 7: your Catholicism or it fades away. It has to be

987
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,479
Speaker 7: embodied in practice and ritual and repetition or it'll fade away.

988
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 7: And like anything else, you stop practicing the guitar, you'll

989
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 7: no longer know how to play it. You stop playing golf,

990
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 7: you'll get lousy at it. Well, the same is true

991
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 7: of religion. You stop going to Mass, you stop actively praying,

992
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 7: you stop doing the works of mercy, your Catholicism will atrophy.

993
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 7: So to me, that's just a common sense view. And

994
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 7: when your faith atrophy, something very deep in you dies.

995
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 7: And what that is is the hunger for God. You know, Augustinetolbus, Lord,

996
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 7: you made us for yourself, and therefore our heart is

997
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 7: restless till it rests in thee. That's the most powerful

998
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 7: statement of Christian anthropology ever.

999
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 11: It remains true.

1000
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 7: And so you stay away from Mass on a regular basis,

1001
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 7: which sadly about eighty percent of our fellow Catholics do,

1002
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 7: that's death for the soul. So usually in a more

1003
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 7: gentle way, I'll try to communicate that to people. Stop

1004
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 7: practicing the faith and you'll lose something very deep in

1005
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 7: your soul.

1006
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: Well, we will be right back after a break with

1007
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: Bishop Robert Baron. Remember word on fire. What's the weapon is?

1008
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Word on fire dot orger dot com.

1009
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 11: Bishop yeah at dot org will get you into all the.

1010
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: Word on fire dot org. Get started there. But remember

1011
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: masses right around the corner. The light is on most

1012
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: of the week. I guess you can't go to confessional

1013
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: on Friday or Saturday. I'll ask the bishop that afterward,

1014
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: but receive the communion this weekend. And if you're not

1015
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: a Catholic, go to your Protestant church. If you're Jewish,

1016
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: a happy pass Over to you. It is a special

1017
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: week of the year for all of our place traditions

1018
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: in the United States, the main ones and so state tuned.

1019
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: I'll be right back when they do do it. Shit,

1020
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. Bishop Robert Barren is a force

1021
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: masieur in American faith, especially in the Catholic tradition. He

1022
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: is the founder of Word on Fire. He is the

1023
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: Bishop of Wenona up in Minnesota. Cold what I call

1024
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: ands so cold, and is the Mayo Clinic in your diocese,

1025
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: Bishop Yeap.

1026
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 7: In fact, as I'm recording these words, I'm about, oh,

1027
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 7: you know, a few steps away from the Mayo Clinic.

1028
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: That's a great place to have a bishopric.

1029
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 11: I know, the great place.

1030
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: Certainly I want to go back to Arthur because it's

1031
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: why we're doing the day beginning of the end. He

1032
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: wrote about what's going on in America as a psychogenic pandemic.

1033
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: People are simply they don't understand. They're not too happy

1034
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: about their lives, double the right they were than twenty

1035
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: five years ago. And it's not we know about porn,

1036
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: and we know about depression and bullying, but just generally

1037
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: people wasting their life away flipping, swiping the laughter, flipping

1038
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: or reading actually doing stuff like that. What's your word

1039
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: to those people, what do you want them to do?

1040
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 10: Well?

1041
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 7: I mean, first limited, So as I say you can't

1042
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 7: eliminate the Internet, we can't eliminate these machines. But to

1043
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 7: become aware of the fact they were designed to be

1044
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 7: addictive and they work.

1045
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 11: I mean, I get it. I do the same thing.

1046
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 7: I'll find myself going through aimlessly some silly you know,

1047
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 7: Facebook thing or something.

1048
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 11: So be aware of that and actively limited.

1049
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 7: Parents too, be very attentive to your kids and how

1050
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 7: much time they're spending. The fact that the machine will

1051
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 7: tell you it's so, but it'll tell you like you

1052
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 7: spend so many hours today on this machine. Be aware

1053
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 7: of that and then say, all right, I'm going to

1054
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 7: set definite limits. Something I've done the last couple of

1055
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 7: lens now is I've resolved that one day a week

1056
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 7: I'll put the phone in a drawer.

1057
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 11: Now, it's a little tricky because I'm bishop of a

1058
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 11: diocese and I've got to be in touch with a

1059
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 11: lot of people. But I made a deal with my assistant.

1060
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 11: We worked out a way to get around.

1061
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 7: It, and so one day a week I put the

1062
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 7: phone in the drawer and I just ignore it.

1063
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 11: So I think you've got to.

1064
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 7: Be practically attentive to how addictive it is and take

1065
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 7: some steps also. I mean, go back to things like

1066
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 7: reading a real book that you hold in your hands,

1067
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 7: go back to taking a walk, making sure you get

1068
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 7: outside and adjust your eyes to something at a distance.

1069
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 7: Because I buy the correlation has been amply demonstrated between

1070
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 7: screen time and depression.

1071
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 11: I completely get that.

1072
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 7: I feel that if I'm spending too much time on

1073
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 7: these little screens, it's depressing. So I think be aware

1074
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 7: of all that and take some concrete action.

1075
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 11: To avoid it.

1076
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: I am four years older than you, but we've grown

1077
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: up and roughly the same period of time. Do you

1078
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: think America is more divided now than it's ever been?

1079
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: Because if it is, I'm going to blame the device.

1080
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, and I think it is. I look back

1081
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 11: in my lifetime.

1082
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 7: There's always been divisions, of course, and political divisions and

1083
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 7: so on and so forth. But you see, it's a

1084
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 7: more fundamental problem, I think. So go back when you

1085
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 7: know we were kids. Let's say politicians disagreed about political

1086
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 7: strategy and about which legislation to pursue, and so LBJ

1087
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 7: disagreed with Everet Dirkson or something, you know. But back then,

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Speaker 7: everybody believed in God, they believe in objective moral values,

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Speaker 7: they believed in a stable human nature that was in place,

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Speaker 7: and then within that framework they disagreed about particular strategies

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Speaker 7: and so on. But see, now the divide is so

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Speaker 7: much greater because people many don't believe in God, don't

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Speaker 7: believe in objective moral values, don't believe in the stable

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Speaker 7: human nature. So now the divide is far starker and

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Speaker 7: more fundamental. That's why I think there's a violence to

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Speaker 7: our division. It's a metaphysical problem, and that has come

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Speaker 7: ultimately from this disaffiliation from the churches. So you stay

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Speaker 7: with from church, in time you'll stop believing in God,

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Speaker 7: stop believing God, you stop believing objective values, stop believing

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Speaker 7: objective values. Eventually you'll say, well, even human nature itself

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Speaker 7: is fluid. And I think that's why the divisions are

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Speaker 7: somewhat starker and more dangerous.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. And there are four people kinds

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Speaker 1: of people listening right now. There are true you Catholics

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Speaker 1: who go to Mass. They are Catholics that don't go

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Speaker 1: to Mass. There are Protestants, Jews, and other people of

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Speaker 1: other faiths, and then the people don't believe in God

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Speaker 1: at all, who think it's silly. I think that last

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Speaker 1: group is growing rather exponentially because of work done by

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Speaker 1: Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins than others fifteen twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: and enhanced by social media and based a rough culture,

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Speaker 1: a culture of division anger. How do you begin the

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Speaker 1: conversation with someone in the last group they don't believe

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Speaker 1: in God. I can show them chiefhus I can prove

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Speaker 1: to them there was Jesus this time in this place.

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Speaker 1: But how do you begin it.

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Speaker 11: I have a lot of those conversations. In fact, we're

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Speaker 11: on fire.

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Speaker 7: Began the Internet side of it began right in the

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Speaker 7: wake of the new atheists, and so most people I

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Speaker 7: was engaging in dialogue with were those non believers and

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Speaker 7: the kind of aggressive people that didn't like God, didn't

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Speaker 7: like the Church, didn't like me, you know.

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Speaker 11: So I did a lot of that dialogue.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 11: One thing is is my generation.

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Speaker 7: When I was coming of age, we threw away a

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Speaker 7: lot of our intellectual tools, so we bracketed much of

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Speaker 7: the intellectual tradition of Catholicism, the faith I got as

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Speaker 7: a young man was very kind of touchy feely. It

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Speaker 7: was very social justice oriented. If you had asked me

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Speaker 7: when I was a little kid, what's religion all about?

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Speaker 7: I would have said something like fighting for racial justice

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Speaker 7: and caring for the poor. Good things, obviously, but that's

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Speaker 7: what we tended to reduce religion too. Now, what happened

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Speaker 7: as a result of that, I call it banners and balloons.

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Speaker 7: Catholicism is a lot of people in my generation, when

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Speaker 7: we came of age, said well, this is silly, this

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Speaker 7: is superficial, and they absented themselves. Then along come the

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Speaker 7: aggressive atheists, using their intellectual tools. We had largely jettisoned

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Speaker 7: our own apologetic weapons. And so how pathetic, I must say,

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Speaker 7: was the response of Christians to the new atheists when

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Speaker 7: they first came on the scene rehearsing, by the way,

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Speaker 7: nothing new. The arguments were from Mars and from Freud

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Speaker 7: and from feuer Black. They were old, had atheist arguments.

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Speaker 7: All that was new about them was how nasty they were.

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Speaker 7: But we were particularly bad at responding to them.

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Speaker 11: So something I did when.

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Speaker 7: I started engaging these conversations, I would draw upon the

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Speaker 7: Catholic intellectual tradition and I would go back to some

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Speaker 7: of the arguments for God's existence. How do you explain

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Speaker 7: a radically contingent universe. You can't appeal endlessly to other

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Speaker 7: contingent things, right, I'd also make this sort of half

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Speaker 7: mocking appeals. Most people I was talking to would have

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Speaker 7: held very strongly to certain moral values, like slavery is wrong.

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Speaker 11: It's not just a consensus. It's not just a cultural thing.

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Speaker 7: It's like wrong in itself, or being abusive toward women,

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Speaker 7: that's a bad thing. I say, okay, So you don't

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Speaker 7: think these are just subjective opinions.

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Speaker 11: You don't think it's just a matter of cultural consensus.

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Speaker 7: You think there's something objectively wrong about these Where.

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Speaker 11: Do those values come from? How do you explain? But

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Speaker 11: the same thing with the sciences.

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Speaker 7: So most of the people that were great at poems

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Speaker 7: of religion, boy or boy, they believed in science.

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Speaker 11: And I say, okay, great, I believe in it too.

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Speaker 7: But science rests upon the assumption that the world is

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Speaker 7: radically intelligible, it has an intelligible pattern or form to it.

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Speaker 7: Otherwise the scientists couldn't get his work off the ground.

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Speaker 11: Where does that come from?

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Speaker 7: Why should the world be in every detail massively intelligible

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Speaker 7: in such a way that only the highest mathematics can

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Speaker 7: describe it. So I would kind of tease them at

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Speaker 7: the moral level and the epistemic level. There's something objective

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Speaker 7: that's hard to explain apart from.

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Speaker 11: A law giver, as CS Lewis would say.

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Speaker 7: Or apart from some intelligence that's endowed the world with intelligibility.

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Speaker 7: So I would use those approaches a lot with folks online.

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Speaker 1: It's the best approach. It's the argument from design, and

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Speaker 1: the designer wants to be known. All you have to

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Speaker 1: do is knock on the door and answer. But boy

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Speaker 1: Dawkins was nasty and Hitch was funny. Those were their

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Speaker 1: two weapons. Pitcher was on the shows. Have any times,

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Speaker 1: but we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere, beshop. Robert

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Speaker 1: Barron from Word on Fire dot org, Stay tuned, broking

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Speaker 1: back America A Bishop Robert Barron is my guest. I'm

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Speaker 1: kicking off a bunch of different stuff on Holy Week

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Speaker 1: with the Bishop Bishop Easter Sunday. People will say to

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Speaker 1: me he has risen. I will say he has written indeed,

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Speaker 1: And people who don't believe or don't care to believe,

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Speaker 1: will laugh at that or not understand it. What's the

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Speaker 1: good news that you're going to be preaching on Sunday

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Speaker 1: that modern people twenty twenty six people need to know

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Speaker 1: in here, especially in America.

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Speaker 7: The good news is that God's love is more powerful

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Speaker 7: than anything that's in the world, even death itself.

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Speaker 11: That God has won a.

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Speaker 7: Definitive victory over all the powers of the world. Jesus

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Speaker 7: saying shalom the risen Jesus saying shalom to those who

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Speaker 7: had abandoned him and denied him and run from him.

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Speaker 7: That's where we find our salvation. See, because they, as

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Speaker 7: it were, committed the worst possible sin, which is they

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Speaker 7: killed God.

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Speaker 11: They have betrayed God. They ran from God. But God

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Speaker 11: returned and forgiving love. So it's not just the fact

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Speaker 11: of the.

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Speaker 7: Resurrection, it's the effect of the resurrection. Spiritually, God's love

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Speaker 7: is greater than anything that's in the world.

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Speaker 11: And that's why you know, Paul can say.

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Speaker 7: I'm certain neither death or life, neither angels or principalities,

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Speaker 7: neither heighten nor depth, or any other creature could separate

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Speaker 7: us from the love of God. That's what the resurrection means. Nothing,

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Speaker 7: even our greatest sin can block the grace of God?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever get tired of doing Easter Week? And

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of work for priests, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's even more for bishops. But physically and emotionally, that

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Speaker 1: is it worrying?

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Speaker 10: Sure?

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Speaker 7: Sure, Like yesterday I hed the Chrism Mass, which is

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Speaker 7: a lovely mass.

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Speaker 11: We blessed the oils to be used throughout the diocese.

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Speaker 7: But that mass is about an hour and forty five

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Speaker 7: minutes long, and then we start, you know, the Tritaum,

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Speaker 7: and they're all lengthy liturgies. And one of the things, Hugh,

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Speaker 7: I find it's challenging as a preacher is when you

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Speaker 7: come back to the same feast you know, again and

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Speaker 7: again and again. So like what new can I say

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Speaker 7: about Christmas or about Easter?

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Speaker 11: And in a way I've learned not to.

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Speaker 7: Worry about that because you speak the Great Easter Faith,

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Speaker 7: the Great Easter Belief.

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Speaker 11: A text I love.

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Speaker 7: It's in the second Reading for Easter Day is that

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Speaker 7: Acts chapter ten and at Saint Peter giving one of

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Speaker 7: his early sermons, and he said he rehearsed the life

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Speaker 7: of Jesus very briefly, and then his death and his

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Speaker 7: resurrection and.

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Speaker 11: Then he says, so blithely, we who ate.

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Speaker 7: And drank with him after he rose from the dead,

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Speaker 7: And that line always takes my breath away.

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Speaker 11: We're not talking about a myth.

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Speaker 7: You know, myths begin once upon a time, and myths

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Speaker 7: are archetypal stories. And as c As lewis new, there's

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Speaker 7: certain clues that interior to a text that tell you

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Speaker 7: you're dealing with a myth.

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Speaker 11: Then you read the Gospels. The Gospels are not myths.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 7: This Jesus that began up in Galilee with the baptism

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Speaker 7: of John Preach. Then he came to Judea and then Jerusalem,

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Speaker 7: and that's not once upon a time. He's referring to

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Speaker 7: real places. And you know how our elders put him

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Speaker 7: to death, And yeah, well God raised him and we

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Speaker 7: ate and drank with him after he rote from the dead.

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Speaker 7: And I think of that too, whenever I go past

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Speaker 7: Saint Peter's basilic in Rome. Saint Peter the Big Fisherman

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Speaker 7: is buried underneath that great basilica, That same Peter who

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Speaker 7: said we ate and drank with him, and who went

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Speaker 7: to his death crucified upside down affirming it. You know,

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Speaker 7: the facticity of Christianity, the facticity of the historical claim matters.

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Speaker 1: And last question, Bishop in America, is the church okay?

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Speaker 1: Is Leo good for the churches are growing? Because I

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Speaker 1: think it is from what I observe it my churches

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Speaker 1: on both coasts, I think it is. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure what you think.

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Speaker 11: No, there's a lot of evidence I'll give you. In

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Speaker 11: my own diocese.

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Speaker 7: Last year we set a record for the number of

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Speaker 7: adult convers coming in. This year we broke that record.

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Speaker 7: And that's been that's not just here, but all over

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Speaker 7: the church. We've noticed this increase in adult converse to

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Speaker 7: the faith.

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Speaker 11: We seem to have at least reversed the decline.

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Speaker 7: In most of the years I've been watching this, there's

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Speaker 7: been this steady downward, you know, trajectory, more and more disaffiliation.

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Speaker 7: We seem to have stopped that anyway, and there are

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Speaker 7: indications of an uptick.

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Speaker 11: I think it has to do with the gen Z people.

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Speaker 7: The generation for them, the new atheists are kind of

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Speaker 7: a distant memory, and they inherited this spiritual space of

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Speaker 7: you know, the no God. We came from nothing, We're

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Speaker 7: going nowhere, no objective value, no purpose to life, and

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Speaker 7: they said, well, come on, and they knew it ran

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Speaker 7: counter to the deepest longings of their heart. So I

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Speaker 7: think they're responding more readily to the invitation of religion.

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Speaker 7: So I think that's all. That's all positive. Nothing struggles over,

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Speaker 7: you know, but I think.

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Speaker 1: That help people listening right now take from your words

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Speaker 1: and from Arthur later, that the meaning of life can

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Speaker 1: be discerned and it's God, and that they will go

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Speaker 1: on Sunday to the church of their choice. And if

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Speaker 1: they're not a Catholic, you're welcome in the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 1: Can't receive communion, but you're welcome there. And if you

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Speaker 1: are a Catholic, you can get the confession today or

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Speaker 1: tomorrow or Thursday. We don't do confessions on Friday, doeight, Bishop, so.

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Speaker 11: You don't schedule them. But of course you can always

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Speaker 11: go if you're going to bok.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the call of priest, and go and enjoy

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Speaker 1: Easter and we'll talk on the other side. Bishop. Let's

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Speaker 1: not make it another thirteen years until you're back. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you so much for what you're doing and for

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Speaker 1: joining me today. We're on fire dot Org. Thank you. Bishop, Baron,

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Speaker 1: meaning Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, as promised from the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the show forward, Arthur Brooks of Harvard Business

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Speaker 1: School joins me to talk about this brand new book,

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Speaker 1: The Meaning of your Life. The Meaning of your Life

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Speaker 1: just came out today. You can order an Amazon, you

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Speaker 1: can get into the bookstore. It's probably in like all

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Speaker 1: of Arthur's books, every airport chaos that you walk by.

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Speaker 1: But I got to start, Arthur. I was talking with

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Speaker 1: Bishop Baron at the top of the show. Who's your friend?

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Speaker 1: He told me he was your friend, and I asked him,

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Speaker 1: since I know he speaks German, did he know the

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Speaker 1: word unhemlik And he did, and it meant dread something's

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Speaker 1: not right at home. I'm never gonna forget that word.

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Speaker 1: What a horrible way to describe the culture.

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Speaker 8: But you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, Hugh. Great

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Speaker 8: to see you. I miss seeing you in person, and

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Speaker 8: sometimes I see you at your alma mater, Harvard, where

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Speaker 8: I teach. As a matter of fact. But the trouble

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Speaker 8: that I had when I came back to academia seven

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Speaker 8: years ago in twenty nineteen, was I had this unheimlich feeling,

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Speaker 8: which in German means a sense of well, something's not

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Speaker 8: right now. I am a lifelong academic. By that, I

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Speaker 8: mean I grew up on a college campus. My dad

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Speaker 8: was a college professor. His dad was a college professor.

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Speaker 8: It's what we do in my family. And it was

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Speaker 8: always happier than ordinary life. It just was people fall

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Speaker 8: in love, people at friends. It's like when you were

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Speaker 8: at Harvard. It's what you were doing, man and crazy ideas,

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Speaker 8: scary ideas. That's the thrill of it. But when I

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Speaker 8: came back after being away, I was the president of

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Speaker 8: the American Enterprise Institute for eleven years until twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 8: so I had been gone since two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 8: and it was like a plague had gone through my village.

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Speaker 8: I found that depression had tripled, anxiety had doubled. I

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Speaker 8: found cancel culture, sadness, anxiety, all kinds of crazy activism.

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Speaker 8: And people will say, it's like something's wrong with these universities. No,

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Speaker 8: something's wrong with our culture that made it impossible for

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Speaker 8: people actually to feel normal. And so I started a

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Speaker 8: big study. I mean, because this is this is what

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Speaker 8: I'm put on earth to do. Here, I'm a behavioral scientist.

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Speaker 8: I started looking of the misery.

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Speaker 1: I just spent the weekend with my four grandkids who

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Speaker 1: lived four hours south of here, and I have four

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Speaker 1: other ones all right, so I got eight total. And

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Speaker 1: the book scares me to death because I think because

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Speaker 1: I'm Roman Catholic from birth and a pretty good practicing Catholic,

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Speaker 1: not great, but good enough that I got. I understand

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Speaker 1: the Baltimore Catechism lesson first Fire, we on Earth, the

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Speaker 1: no love and serve God. I got the meaning part

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Speaker 1: down early, but I'm afraid that the culture will deny that.

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Speaker 1: And my kids go to church, but I'm afraid that

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Speaker 1: the culture will be at war with them, believing in

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Speaker 1: service and in purpose and in meaning. And I think

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Speaker 1: the culture is winning. And your book is kind of

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good fight back book, but you

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Speaker 1: do admit we're in a bad shape right now.

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Speaker 8: We are in bad shape right now, And of course

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Speaker 8: I'm an American, so I'm optimistic that we will figure

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Speaker 8: this out. We always have figured out these existential problems,

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Speaker 8: and I think we will again. But I don't want

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Speaker 8: to lose another generation of people to this crisis. Now

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Speaker 8: that you put your finger on it, By the way, Hugh,

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Speaker 8: when I started doing interviews with young people who were

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Speaker 8: depressed and anxious on campuses and off campuses, they said

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Speaker 8: the same thing. By life feels meaningless, It's like, what

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Speaker 8: do we have some sort of philosophical problem? Yeah, and

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Speaker 8: so this study, this book is Okay, what are people,

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Speaker 8: what do they need, what are they looking for? Why

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Speaker 8: is it hard? And now what do they have to do?

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Speaker 8: And this is a six part plan for finding the

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Speaker 8: meaning of life in six months. It's the graduation gift

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Speaker 8: for the aimless young person, the struggling young person in

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Speaker 8: your life.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to jump around at the fabulous read. By

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Speaker 1: the way, all of Arthur's books are, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to go in the sixth part order that people

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Speaker 1: really ought to experience, because it makes so much sense

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Speaker 1: and unfold. I want to jump around to some things

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Speaker 1: people might know to get it hooked in. First, I

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Speaker 1: did not know that Arthur Schoppenheimer invented the meaning of life,

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Speaker 1: and that he was a cranky, weird guy who didn't

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Speaker 1: believe in the meaning of life, but he kind of

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Speaker 1: loved beauty, so he did that a good summary.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's right, Arthur Schopenhower, the nineteenth century existentialist,

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Speaker 8: nihilist philosopher, and the guy was just a complete grouch.

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Speaker 8: He literally created a theory called the theory of rational pessimism.

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Speaker 8: Always expect the worst is the whole thing. He was

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Speaker 8: on non speaking terms with his family. It's just awful

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Speaker 8: his life. And he said, you know, he created the

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Speaker 8: phrase meaning of life. He was the first one who

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Speaker 8: actually said it and said it doesn't exist. It's a

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Speaker 8: He said it as a farce. Is the whole thing.

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Speaker 8: But as you correctly point out, this guy, he had

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Speaker 8: one thing in his life. He played music. He played

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Speaker 8: the flute. He used to play the flute every afternoon

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Speaker 8: and look up to heaven and say ah meaning. In

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Speaker 8: other words, he found that beauty was a true source

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Speaker 8: of meaning to him. Even the guys who say there

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Speaker 8: is no meaning of life believe there is meaning in life.

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Speaker 1: I love. We're going to come back with Rossini, by

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Speaker 1: the way, because you mentioned that he loved Rossini. We'll

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Speaker 1: come back with that. But I want to start with

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Speaker 1: the question I asked to Bishop Baron, how do you

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Speaker 1: get people? The key to this is you got to

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Speaker 1: believe in God and you got to serve God in people.

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Speaker 1: That's it the short version on Amazon's sat What a

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Speaker 1: wonderful book explaining you got to believe in God and

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Speaker 1: you have to serve God to be at one with

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Speaker 1: Him and to be happy. But how do you get

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Speaker 1: people to believe in God? Arthur? And they can't walk

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Speaker 1: the campus tell it whenever you walk through that along

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Speaker 1: the way. They can't go to North Dakota to do

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Speaker 1: what Teddy Roosevelt did. They can't go see the Dalai Lama.

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Speaker 1: How do you get them to, you know, the kid

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Speaker 1: that comes to your office at HBS to believe in God?

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of old school.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's pretty old school. But really what it is

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Speaker 8: about loving and so loving another person is a way

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Speaker 8: to open the open the aperture to the divine, seeking beauty,

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Speaker 8: understanding that suffering is not your enemy. All of these

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Speaker 8: things what they do is they oh, they crack the door,

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Speaker 8: Hugh a little bit. And this is one of the

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Speaker 8: reasons I talk about the things that I do, asking

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Speaker 8: big philosophical question cracks the door. What keeps it shut

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Speaker 8: is this assumption that I know everything already and then

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Speaker 8: frittering away all of your time literally in the wrong

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Speaker 8: side of your brain, which is what people are doing

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Speaker 8: when they check their telephones two hundred and five times

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Speaker 8: a day. And so that's really where I start the

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Speaker 8: whole book is not go to church and believe. It's

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Speaker 8: actually fight back against what's actually chaining you to the

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Speaker 8: pole down there. That's that's not what you want because

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Speaker 8: you know you're miserable.

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Speaker 1: In the next segment, we're going to talk about hemispheric lateralization.

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Speaker 1: My new favorite words of the week. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: use that in the conversations. You know, let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about hemispheric lateralization. People are going to be impressed.

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Speaker 1: But when you take two walks a day, that's accessible.

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Speaker 1: So tell people about that. That's something people can start

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Speaker 1: doing today.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly right. And so people often ask what's the

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Speaker 8: first thing I should do in the morning. Number one

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Speaker 8: is what you shouldn't do. We should picking up your phone.

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Speaker 8: Why because you neurocognitively program yourself to be sitting. What

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Speaker 8: we're going to talk about in the next segment in

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Speaker 8: the wrong part of your brain. What you should do

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Speaker 8: is leave your phone plugged, it in a closet some

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Speaker 8: other place in the house and go for a walk

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Speaker 8: ideally as the sun comes up, and I promise you

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Speaker 8: that is a transcendent experience that has been that is

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Speaker 8: as old as the hills in Sanskrit. That's called the

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Speaker 8: Brahma Mukuorta, the Creator's time, that's been going on for

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Speaker 8: six thousand years in India. People find it has mystical properties,

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Speaker 8: and I promise you the neuroscience research bears that out.

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Speaker 8: That's the first thing to do for a walk.

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Speaker 1: Do you listen to podcast when you walk? Arthur Brooks?

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Speaker 8: You know, I sometimes do, but I ordinarily like not

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Speaker 8: to because I want to be fully present, simply because

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Speaker 8: when you're distracting yourself, when you're distracting yourself from the

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Speaker 8: from the business at hand of being alive, you're missing

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Speaker 8: the meaning experience and you're sending your brain into activity

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Speaker 8: about analysis, about engineering, about solving problems, as opposed to

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Speaker 8: the experience of being here.

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, I'm pretty addictive to podcast because it's the

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Speaker 1: news business and I got to keep up. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you, when you go for the walk and you're

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Speaker 1: not plugged in, are you looking in the far distance?

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Speaker 1: Are you studying people? How are you engaging your your

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Speaker 1: right brain? You're engaging, right.

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Speaker 8: Right, that's it, right. The right hemisphere of your brain

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Speaker 8: is what you're engaging, because that's the side of your

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Speaker 8: brain that you need for mystery and meaning and for

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Speaker 8: mind wandering. That's why when you're bored, that's what's actually

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Speaker 8: most active. Being bored is unbelievably important for you to

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Speaker 8: find the meaning of life. And so you you don't

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Speaker 8: have to worry about what you're focusing on. You're just

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Speaker 8: focusing on what crosses your field of view, and no

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Speaker 8: matter where your brain takes you, that's fine, because your

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Speaker 8: brain is going to take you where you need to go,

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Speaker 8: is what it comes down to. So you don't have

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Speaker 8: to worry about it at all. You just have to

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Speaker 8: stay undistracted electronically and then ambulate and then walk. And

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Speaker 8: that's the first way to actually start finding having No,

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Speaker 8: it's actually you're not finding the meaning of life. You're

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Speaker 8: letting meaning find you.

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Speaker 1: Now, the other thing you mentioned that's very practical. You

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Speaker 1: often leave your phone in the foyer and only go

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Speaker 1: and consult it in the hallway of the house or

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Speaker 1: someplace like that. And then you said, the average the

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Speaker 1: average person looks at their phone one hundred times the

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Speaker 1: average person one hundred times a.

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Speaker 8: Day, two hundred, two hundred and five times a day,

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Speaker 8: two hundred and five times a day. That's every thirteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: So that's an extraordinary That's like an asteroid hitting our

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Speaker 1: evolutionary design.

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Speaker 8: Isn't it exactly right?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Exactly right. I mean, the truth is that our brains

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Speaker 8: are the same as they were two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 8: thousand years ago, the late Place to Scene period. This

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Speaker 8: is one of the things I talk about in the book.

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Speaker 8: We have caveman brains. They were pretty smart back then.

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Speaker 8: And the way our brains are supposed to work, because

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Speaker 8: you have two hemispheres, the right side for mystery and

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Speaker 8: meaning and the left side for how to and what.

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Speaker 8: You got to have the why questions. You got to

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Speaker 8: have the how to questions and they work together. You

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Speaker 8: have to decide what you want to do because of

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Speaker 8: what you're really all about, and then go do it.

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Speaker 8: Is what it comes down to. But if you never

1512
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 8: ask the why questions, because that's off because of electronics

1513
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 8: and media and constant stimulation and engineering and hustle and grind,

1514
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 8: you're going to go in circles and say I'm always

1515
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 8: busy but I'm always bored even though I'm busy.

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01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever read The Three Body Problem? The

1517
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 1: only science fiction book that John Podhortz has ever recommended.

1518
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: So I read it and was fascinated.

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01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know that and that's based on the Three

1520
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 8: Body Problem is actually a philosophical problem.

1521
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it's in your book. And I started

1522
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: thinking about the science fiction book based on that, and

1523
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: about Paul and Marsha and Mark, and I got wow,

1524
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: this is the same problem that Arthur's dealing with. We're

1525
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: coming right back with Arthur Brook. Go get the book

1526
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: The Meaning of Your Life. It's available to Amazon right now.

1527
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: It's especially for graduates, it's especially for younger people. But

1528
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: like I just mentioned, Paul, is what fifty maybe, so

1529
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: if you're on the lower side of fifty, you can

1530
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: definitely use it. Maybe even sixties. When you're seventy, you've

1531
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: either got it or your jump.

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Speaker 12: I'm kind of happy I got most of it. Kay Jo,

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 12: Welcome back America.

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Speaker 1: If you recognize that you're pretty far advanced in your

1535
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: classical music. That's by Olivier Mession, who I think survived

1536
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: the Holocaust and Nazi prisoner of war. Camps to write this. Arthur,

1537
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: am I getting that correct or my notes correct?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Olivia Besi Eden is one of the great twentieth

1539
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 8: century French composers. He was actually a prisoner of war.

1540
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 8: He had been conscripted into the French army and he

1541
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 8: was a classical musician and he was like thirty six,

1542
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 8: and so he was not he was not fit for

1543
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 8: I mean, look, you know, I got two marines among

1544
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 8: my kids. This guy's idea one of them.

1545
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: I didn't know about this one until I read the book.

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: She's a second.

1547
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 8: First, second lieutenant. She's no, she's a second lieutenant, and

1548
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 8: she's a man. She's a she's a killer at four

1549
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 8: foot eleven, I'm telling you. And by the way, my

1550
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 8: first marine who's enlisted scout sniper, has to salute her.

1551
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: Is he younger or older?

1552
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 8: Older? And he's six months hard?

1553
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very harsh.

1554
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know this story.

1555
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: You're adopting her, by the way, and now she adopted you.

1556
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: Go ahead and tell tell people that story. Yeah.

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01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know years ago, you know, you and

1558
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 8: I first met. I don't know if you remember, I

1559
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 8: wrote a book when I was still teaching at Syracuse

1560
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 8: University about charitable giving in two thousand and six, loads

1561
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 8: many years ago, twenty years ago. Yeah, yeah, And I

1562
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 8: found well that you can do a little bit of

1563
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 8: good in other people's lives by kind of throwing money

1564
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 8: out of a helicopter, a couple of bucks here and there.

1565
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 8: But you can do a lot of good if you

1566
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 8: turn the whole dial for one person. And by the way,

1567
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 8: you'll get happier and healthier. So I told my wife,

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01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 8: and she's like, so let's do it. I said, do

1569
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 8: what she said, let's adopt a baby. Let's turn the

1570
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 8: whole dial. And I'm like, it's only a book, honey,

1571
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 8: And she had me dead to rights. And so we

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01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 8: did it. We adopted my little girl, Marina, and she,

1573
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 8: you know, she was born in two thousand and three.

1574
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 8: We brought her home in two thousand and four. And

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01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 8: it's been the most life changing experience any of us

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 8: has ever had. It completely, it totally completed our family.

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01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: She's you know that has stopped that now, Arthur. It's

1578
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: a tragedy.

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01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 8: Stop, I know. And during the Alabama administration, as a

1580
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 8: matter of fact, the foreign adoptions were cut by three quarters.

1581
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 8: It was very very loose during the during the Bush administration,

1582
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 8: which was fantastic. There were about twenty six thousand foreign

1583
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 8: ad options of the year that we did and it

1584
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,560
Speaker 8: was down to six or seven thousand during the Obama administration.

1585
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 8: And because of rules from the State Department. You know,

1586
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 8: it's just bureaucratic morass ruining lives just as always.

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01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: Let me from left field, got nothing new with anything.

1588
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: Just occurred to me because I mentioned China. How do

1589
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: you think Jimmy Lai gets through the day.

1590
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 8: Jimmy Li gets through the day because he's a Christian believer.

1591
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 8: That's how he gets through the day. He's a Catholic

1592
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 8: like you and me, and he prays for the holy

1593
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 8: souls in purgatory, he prays for his captors. He does

1594
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 8: what we are meant to do as Christian people. Look,

1595
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 8: here's the deal. You look at the Early Church. The

1596
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 8: Early Church is all about bring it on, man, because

1597
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 8: this is not the Kingdom, this is not the last stop.

1598
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 8: If this is supposed to be hard, then make it hard.

1599
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 8: Jimmy Lai is the Early Church and I admire him

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 8: for it.

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01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: I do too. All right, now, I want to go

1602
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: back to hemispheric lateralization, and how do I say I

1603
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: AI and miguil christ I in.

1604
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 8: That's that's Ian, That's just like the Scottish spelling of

1605
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 8: I and that's Ian. Migilchrist.

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01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: Well, he sounded like a brilliant guy even to come

1607
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: up with the term hemispheric lateralization. Explain it to people, please, yeah.

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01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, So back, Hugh, when you and I were lads

1609
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 8: in the nineteen seventies, we all thought that, you know,

1610
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 8: you were right brained if you were artsy, and you

1611
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 8: were left brained if you were analytical and mathematical. And

1612
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 8: you know, that's what everybody thought. Now that's been completely

1613
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 8: overtaken by this neuroscientists don't believe that anymore. What we

1614
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 8: do know, and this comes from the work of the

1615
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 8: great neuroscientists at Oxford Ian Migilchrist, is that the right

1616
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 8: side of the brain asks the big philosophical why questions

1617
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 8: of life, and the right and the left side of

1618
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 8: the brain asks the how to and what questions to

1619
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 8: execute on those why questions. In other words, I say,

1620
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 8: why why am I getting out of bed today? Well,

1621
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 8: because I love my family I want to support them,

1622
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 8: and then the left side says, here's how we go

1623
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,679
Speaker 8: do that? The trouble is that if you're doing something

1624
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,440
Speaker 8: systematically that shuts down the right hemisphere and only illuminates

1625
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,440
Speaker 8: the left hemisphere, you're going to be all about technology

1626
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 8: and all how to and what, and you're not going

1627
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 8: to spend any time on the why. The why is

1628
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 8: the meaning of your life. And that's exactly the pickle

1629
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 8: we're in right now because of those two hundred and

1630
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 8: five phone checks today.

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01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: You know, Henry Allen said, ones answers before questions do

1632
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 1: one soul great harm. And a lot of people pick

1633
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: up a book like this and they want answers, but

1634
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: they're going to get questions, right answer. And I think

1635
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: you did this very right. By the way, since you're

1636
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: in Cambridge, now, do you attend Saint Paul's?

1637
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 8: I do what I'm there actually, so my family lives

1638
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 8: in northern Virginia. That's where we spend most of our time,

1639
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 8: and I commute during the semester up to Harvard up

1640
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 8: to Cambridge.

1641
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: In Boston, a friend of mine, Regina Pieza, who you

1642
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: may or may not know, is raising money to reduce

1643
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: Saint Paul's, which apparently has not been improved since the

1644
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: mid seventies. So we may have to help with that.

1645
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the three students you begin with.

1646
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 1: You conclude by saying, we're in a psychogenic epidemic. That

1647
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: sounds bad, that's what is it.

1648
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, a psychogetic epidemic is an epidemic of misery without

1649
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 8: a your biological origin. So you can't find a bacterium,

1650
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 8: you can't find a virus, but there's a lot of suffering.

1651
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 8: And this is when something spreads around like a fad

1652
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 8: or a panic spreads around the culture, so you know,

1653
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 8: cutting or you know, anything as kids get involved in.

1654
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 8: It's anything that's really harmful. Self harmful is a psychogenic epidemic.

1655
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 8: And the misery, the depression and anxiety that young people

1656
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 8: are suffering today is a psychogenic epidemic. And now we

1657
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 8: know the reason, which is that we're in the wrong

1658
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 8: side of our brains and is being provoked by the

1659
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 8: way that we misuse technology.

1660
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: So we're on the left side of the brain all

1661
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: the time. All that on the right side of.

1662
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 8: The brain enough, and so that's exactly right.

1663
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: Do the right side of the brain kick in other

1664
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: than when walking way?

1665
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 8: Oh for sure. And this is the key thing that

1666
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 8: we need to do is put down our devices and

1667
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 8: actually engage in behavior that my great grandfather, Leroy Brooks

1668
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 8: did every single day without thinking about it. Here's the irony.

1669
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 8: Here's the irony. Hue to wipe out boredom. Because people

1670
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 8: hate being bored. They the device use, which is unbelievably distracting,

1671
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 8: eradicates boredom moment to moment. But life is unbelievably boring.

1672
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: You know.

1673
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 8: People will say at the end of the day, I

1674
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 8: don't even know what I did all day because I

1675
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 8: was on Instagram the whole day. My great grandfather, Leroy,

1676
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 8: he was bored behind that mule, but he never came

1677
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,719
Speaker 8: home and said, honey, I had a panic attack today

1678
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 8: behind the mule because his brain was working the way

1679
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 8: it was supposed to and he was bored plenty. But

1680
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 8: the end of his life, I guarantee you he didn't

1681
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 8: say his life was boring. And that's the great irony

1682
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 8: of using your brain wrong. And that's exactly what's happening.

1683
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 8: That's the reason that people don't know the meaning of

1684
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 8: their lives, don't even know how to start asking. And

1685
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 8: there are lots of ways to do it, but they

1686
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 8: have to do with living in an old fashioned way.

1687
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:47,360
Speaker 8: And doing it on purpose.

1688
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Well, I do. We'll come back to the old fashioned

1689
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 1: way and segment four. Couple of definitions. Happiness equals enjoyment

1690
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: plus satisfaction plus meaning. We can get the enjoyment in

1691
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: the satisfaction. We do a lot of that. Meaning means,

1692
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: coherence and purpose and significance all at it. Again, we

1693
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: suck at meaning. That's terrible, so I'm varrible.

1694
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. So that the three parts of meaning

1695
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 8: are why things happen the way they do, why I'm

1696
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 8: doing what I'm doing, and why my life matters. And

1697
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 8: we can't answer those questions today when we're on our phones.

1698
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: Arthur gives you a quiz. By the way, it's a

1699
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: very interesting quiz that didn't make any sense to me

1700
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: when I took it. Arthur, you might be surprised. I'm

1701
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: a happy homebuddy. But I did it and I was

1702
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: getting sevens and ones and that's it. Sevens are ones,

1703
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: and I'm a happy homebody. Did you invent that?

1704
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 10: No?

1705
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 8: No, that was actually from Mike Steeger, who's a psychologist

1706
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 8: leaders of Colorado, and it's a really good test. It

1707
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 8: turns out that you know many, many tens of thousands

1708
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 8: of people have taken it, and what it shows you

1709
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 8: is do you have a sense of your life's meaning?

1710
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 8: And are you looking? Those are the two questions and

1711
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 8: that starts the books, so people know where they.

1712
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: Are right, don't go anywhere. I'll be right back with

1713
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: Arthur's brook The brand new book is The Meaning of

1714
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: Your Life. That's in bookstores everywhere, as available Amazon today

1715
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: and have it tomorrow in time for Easter. Perfect Easter

1716
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 1: President of course for grad Stay tuned, Welcome back to America.

1717
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. Arthur Brooks is here. His new book

1718
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 1: is the Meaning of Your Life. I end up recommending

1719
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: all of Arthur's Brooks for my small men's group. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do it with this one as well. I

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01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: learned more about Dshevsky in three pages than I have

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01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: in seventy years. He's a gambling addict. He had the

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01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: challenge to write a book of one hundred and forty

1724
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: pages where he'd lose all the rights to his books.

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Speaker 1: He met his wonderful wife Anna the first I just

1726
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: thought it was fabulous you include that in there. But

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01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: what's that got to do with interrupting the doom loop?

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01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: Because if you tell me able to read Doschatsky, they won't.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, so reading Dostovsky is not a prerequisite for

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01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 8: finding the meaning of your life, but understanding something about

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01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 8: his life is really important because the doom loop is

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01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 8: what happens when there's any addictive behavior in your life.

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01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 8: You know, it's like the the main predictor of drinking

1734
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 8: too much or boredom and anxiety. And if your life

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01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 8: is boring and really stressful, you're at risk for drinking

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 8: too much and that will be relieved temporarily, but those

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01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 8: phenomena will come back and forth. You'll become more bored

1738
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 8: and more anxious because of your brain chemistry, which you'll

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01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,480
Speaker 8: make you escalate, and that's what actually leads to rampant alcoholism.

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01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 8: The same thing is true with your phone, as it

1741
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 8: turns out the same way as how you try to

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 8: eradicate your boredom by looking at your devices all day long,

1743
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 8: and the result of it is you become less tolerant

1744
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 8: of boredom and life gets more boring, ironically, which makes

1745
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 8: you look at your phone even more, and that's the

1746
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 8: doom bloop. So we learned about this from Dosteansky because

1747
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 8: he was this huge gambling addict, and the more that

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01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 8: he gambled the worst. Yeah, the more stressed out he got,

1749
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 8: and so the more he gambled, and it got worse

1750
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 8: and worse than he had to break the doom bloop.

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01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 8: And the way he did it was with love, by

1752
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 8: falling in love. He fell in love with a woman

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01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 8: who is to whom he was dictating his novel about gambling,

1754
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 8: which he had to write in one month or he'd

1755
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 8: lose all his rights so he could pay off his

1756
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 8: gambling desks. It's all, it's all really convoluted, but at

1757
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 8: the end of the day, she's the one who actually

1758
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 8: helped him understand the meaning of his life, because that's

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01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 8: what love does.

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Speaker 1: Are all addictions like art there, whether it's drinking, drugs, porn, gambling,

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01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: gambling ubiquitous. Now. I don't gamble online. I don't like

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,839
Speaker 1: to see anyone doing it because it's just endorphins flooding

1763
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 1: your brain during a game that should be fun on

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01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: its own. Marriage. I worry about people being bankrupt in

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01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: five years. Do you think that's kind?

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01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 8: Well, for sure, Oh yeah, for sure. It's a huge

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01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 8: problem and it's going to wind up getting regulated, and

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01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 8: it's going to be a big crisis. And by the way,

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 8: there's huge cod morbidities between different kinds of addictions. So

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Speaker 8: I had this new paper that I just read. Actually

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01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 8: I'm going to be writing about it my callum in

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01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 8: the Free Press soon that shows that online gambling is

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01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 8: very positively correlated with binge drinking. Why because the answer

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01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 8: to your earlier question is that there are similarities between

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01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 8: all addictions, and they use the neurotransmittered neuromodulator dopamine, which

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01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 8: gives you the anticipation of reward, and that's that's what

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01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 8: you want. It's what your brain uses to make you

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01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 8: learn and like and want things, and that's what leads

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01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 8: to craving. In every case. It's so that you would

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01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 8: learn how to do new stuff and be rewarded for it.

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01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 8: The trouble is that we misuse it by souping it

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01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 8: up with pornography and heroin and now of course the Internet.

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01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Now the solution is borrowed from Emerson. I haven't read

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01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: anything from Emerson for a long long time. Let us

1785
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: hear a whistle from the Spartan life. Gosh, that's a

1786
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: wonderful phrase. What's it mean? Oh?

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01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 8: I know, Oh, so it basically means be your own man,

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01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 8: be your own woman, think for yourself, fight back. You know.

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Speaker 8: One of the things is because I have a whole

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01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 8: chapter on how to get free of technological addiction. This

1791
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 8: is a very specific detox chapter based on the most

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01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 8: cutting edge neuroscience on how to do it. You don't

1793
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 8: have to throw your phone away. You just have to

1794
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 8: basically relegate your phone to the right periods of the

1795
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 8: day and not use it for three periods when you

1796
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 8: wake up, during during meals, and an hour before you

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 8: go to sleep, and your phone life will change and

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01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 8: your life will change, is what it comes down to.

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01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 8: But first to do that, like with any of the addiction,

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Speaker 8: you got to get mad. The one thing is that

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01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 8: when people stop drinking alcohol abusively, the first thing is

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01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 8: that they get furious. They say, this is ruining my

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01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 8: life and I'm not going to put up with it.

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01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 8: As they say, and what was it broadcast news, I'm

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01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 8: mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore,

1806
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 8: is what people actually say. That's basically all of Ralph

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01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 8: Waldo Emerson, the great American philosopher's view on how to

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01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 8: deal with all the stuff that's screwing you up in life,

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01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 8: all the fads and panics that we see around us.

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01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: Now, the first step you say is rebelling, that taking

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01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: the action rebelling. It's the culture that's harming you, and

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01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: on social media, which leads to anxiety, attention seeking, an

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01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: addiction to it. How do you rebel against social media

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01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: not participate in it?

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01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, part of it is that you have to say,

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01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 8: I will not be managed by this. My emotions will

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01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 8: not be managed by this. So therefore I'm only going

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01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 8: to use it as a tool. This is going to

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01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 8: serve me. I am not going to serve is here

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01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 8: the thing supposed to be a tool your smartphone. It's

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01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 8: supposed to be a tool for you. You're not supposed to

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01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 8: be a tool of your smartphone and the company that

1823
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 8: makes your smartphone and the applications on your smartphone. So

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01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 8: the way to fight back is to basically say you

1825
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 8: can't use me anymore. I'm using you. It's what it

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01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 8: comes down to, and basically laughing at it.

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Speaker 1: I hope we can get the people who are under

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01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: fifteen to listen to you, because I do worry chronically

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01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: that they're all on chromebooks at school. And the schools

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01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: are pushing it. I mean, right back with Arthur Brooks.

1831
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: The brand new book is the Meaning of your Life.

1832
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: Go get it for your graduate, Go get it for

1833
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 1: your kids. Read it with them, Actually have a book

1834
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: study at home. Just read it with them. It will

1835
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: make a great discussion and they'll begin to understand why

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01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: you're so down on their technologies. Stay tuned, Welcome back

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01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 1: to America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I promise you some Rassini

1838
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: and there it is the Meaning of your Life by

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01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: Arthur C. Brooks is out there right now, Arthur. As

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01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: with most of your books, from Strength to Strength, the

1841
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: one you wret with Oprah, you end up with God.

1842
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 1: But this way you go around a different way to

1843
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: get there. And I'm fascinated by your father, the mathematician

1844
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: saying God built randomness into the universe. When did you

1845
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: ever talk to your father about that?

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01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 8: Well, my dad and I Well, I love my dad

1847
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 8: and my dad was a real intellectual hero to me

1848
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 8: as well as being a wonderful dad. He died early.

1849
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 8: I mean he died at sixty six too early. As

1850
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,799
Speaker 8: a matter of fact, he was a biostatistician. His PhD

1851
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 8: was in statistics, and so he believed in randomness. He

1852
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 8: believed in, you know, the idea that there were events

1853
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 8: that happened that God made randomness. And I asked at

1854
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 8: one time, so what are miracles? And he said, what

1855
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 8: statisticians called long tail events. There's just really really improbable things.

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01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 8: I mean, actually, that's how he thought, and he marveled

1857
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 8: at it and he loved it. But this is the

1858
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 8: thing that I learned from my dad, is that there's

1859
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 8: no conflict between faith and reason. People ask me this

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01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 8: a lot because I'm a science now, I'm a I'm

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01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 8: a behavioral scientist.

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01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 1: You know.

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01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 8: I do a lot of work in neuroscience too, as

1864
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 8: a matter of fact these days, and people say, well,

1865
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 8: how do you square that with your Christian faith, which,

1866
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 8: by the way, is the most important thing in my

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01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 8: life with no exceptions. And I say, it's basically like this,

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01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 8: because this is what my father told me. Here's what

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01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 8: my dad told me. And this is the thing for

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01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 8: all of our listeners when somebody asked them, this is

1871
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 8: the argument. If you were an expert in Picasso, you

1872
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 8: need to know two things. You need to know a

1873
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 8: lot about his paintings, and you need to know a

1874
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 8: lot about the man, but you can't find evidence of

1875
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 8: the man in the paintings. You have to learn about

1876
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 8: those two things in different ways, and they compliment each other.

1877
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 8: And if you only know one, you're not a good

1878
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 8: Picasso expert. That's how I feel about about science and

1879
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 8: the world. The more I study science, the more I

1880
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 8: want to learn about God. The more I learn about God,

1881
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 8: the more I want to understand science.

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01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,719
Speaker 1: I always read the acknowledgments. And you have a director

1883
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 1: of research, Bryce Flimilar, so I know that the mind. Yeah,

1884
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 1: they're they're bringing you this stuff to read to work

1885
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: on some question. I'm going to throw out three things

1886
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I wrote down. We only have five minutes or eight

1887
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 1: minutes to left. We're going a love depression, not a

1888
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: sex recession. Porn is the acts to the ladder of love.

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01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: Learn from your suffering. Avoid the dark triad. We should

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01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: probably talk about the dark triad and then explore a

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01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 1: faith tradition. And I want you to tell people how

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01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: to do that. First, tell people about dark triad. Fourteen

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01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: percent a lot.

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01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so dark triads. I talk about this in

1895
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 8: the book. This is one of the biggest threats to

1896
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 8: romantic love. Romantic love is one of the single best

1897
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 8: ways to find the meaning of your life because you

1898
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 8: have to give your heart away and you can never

1899
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 8: answer the questions. They are incredibly complex, and this will

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01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 8: open up the right side of your brain. You're romantically

1901
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 8: in love in the right side of your brain. The

1902
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,799
Speaker 8: biggest threat to that is that there are predators about.

1903
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 8: The predators in romantic markets and on dating apps are

1904
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 8: called dark triads. These are people who are high and

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01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 8: three characteristics Narcissism which means it's all about me, machiavellianism,

1906
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 8: which is I'm willing to hurt you to feed my goals,

1907
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,759
Speaker 8: and psychopathy psychopathic traits which means I have no regret

1908
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 8: and no remorse. Ve percent of the population bears those characteristics.

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01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 8: This is like everybody's first husband, every woman's first husband, right.

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01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 8: I mean, as these are guys who are their users,

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01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 8: they act like they would love, they actually aren't. Their

1912
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 8: commitment deceivers is what we find. And I could spend

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01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 8: the whole semester in my class at Harvard just talking

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01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 8: about this, and my students are rapped with attention.

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01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 1: You sound like you're the counselor at HBS. Arthur you're off,

1916
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 1: they're crazy because they're not crazy, they're wonderful. Because you

1917
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 1: know they they'll say, you know, I get the same

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01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: questions over and over again.

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01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 8: You they want to know the meaning of their lives.

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01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 8: And so I say, okay, here's how we do it.

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01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 8: So I'll actually give our audience the exercise to think

1922
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 8: about finding the meeting for life right now. Number one

1923
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 8: is the number one thing to do.

1924
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 3: Is this.

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01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 8: Imagine yourself in five years and your happiness is twenty

1926
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 8: five percent higher than it is now because of three

1927
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 8: changes in your life. Tell me what those three changes

1928
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Speaker 8: are in order. In every single case, they give me

1929
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Speaker 8: the same answer for number one, which is marriage and kids, marriage, kids,

1930
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Speaker 8: marriage and kids. That's what it is. Why, because those

1931
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 8: institutions are the meaning of life. Number two almost always

1932
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 8: is either other relationships or finding their faith. That's what

1933
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 8: it comes down to. Why because those are things that

1934
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 8: you use to find your meaning in life as well.

1935
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Speaker 8: That's what they want, and they already know the solution.

1936
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 8: But all they're paying attention to is their careers because

1937
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Speaker 8: that's what the university tells them that they can actually ninage.

1938
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Speaker 1: Its Friendship shows up on page one of four Aristotle's

1939
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Speaker 1: three forms of friendship, the virtuous friendship being the most

1940
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Speaker 1: important one. You suggest making a list of the ten

1941
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: people in your life who are most important to you.

1942
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Speaker 1: What do you do with the list?

1943
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Speaker 8: Yeah? Put rs and d's after their name, which does

1944
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 8: not mean Republican and democrat, it means real and deal.

1945
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 8: Is this a real friend or a deal friend? And

1946
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 8: on and on it goes. And if you find this

1947
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 8: all deal friends useful people in your life, you got

1948
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:52,799
Speaker 8: to start doing more work because you need more real friends.

1949
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 8: Real friends are the true source of meaning.

1950
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Speaker 1: All right, last question. You are not trying to convert anyone,

1951
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Speaker 1: but do you want readers like it's eas sir? Do

1952
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Speaker 1: you want to have a mass one? Do you want

1953
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Speaker 1: to seek some sort of church and commit intellectually to

1954
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 1: figuring it out because it matters?

1955
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it does matter. And this transcendent journey of cosmic truth,

1956
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Speaker 8: this is ultimately what we're trying to find the most.

1957
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Speaker 8: You know, I, as a committed Catholic, as a Christian man,

1958
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 8: believe that the crossing Gospel of Jesus Christ or the

1959
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 8: path that God had for me. And I'm humble enough

1960
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Speaker 8: to say that I realized that other people have other paths.

1961
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,600
Speaker 8: I recommend my path that everybody I possibly can, just

1962
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Speaker 8: like Bishop Baron does to be sure. It's a wonderful path.

1963
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Speaker 8: And I have a whole protocol in this book about

1964
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Speaker 8: how to find your faith if you've fallen away, how

1965
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Speaker 8: to explore it if you never had one. And it

1966
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,799
Speaker 8: doesn't start with exploring your feelings, because feelings are liars.

1967
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 8: It's about it's about understanding something through study and observation

1968
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 8: and then ultimately practice all before believing anything. As a

1969
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 8: matter of fact that I talk about the science of

1970
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Speaker 8: how to find your own faith and it actually works.

1971
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Speaker 1: There can bad people change.

1972
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Speaker 8: Bad people can change. Now, there's generally speaking two circumstances

1973
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 8: in which bad people change. Number one is when they're

1974
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 8: in recovery from an addiction. Number two is when they

1975
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Speaker 8: have a religious conversion. Those are the wholesale kinds of

1976
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 8: behavior and even character change that people actually have. But

1977
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Speaker 8: the truth of the matter is that anybody who wants

1978
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Speaker 8: to change with metaphysical power, with the power of the divine,

1979
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Speaker 8: can be the person that they want to be. Absolutely can.

1980
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Speaker 1: The dark triad people change.

1981
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Speaker 8: That's harder because they don't want to see. This is

1982
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Speaker 8: the thing. If you want to change, you can. The

1983
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 8: trouble with dark triads is they tend to be psychopathic,

1984
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Speaker 8: which means they feel no remorse or empathy, which means

1985
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 8: that they don't want to change their ways. That's the barrier.

1986
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Speaker 1: We don't have enough time, but I want people to

1987
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Speaker 1: know that in this book you will find the advice

1988
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Speaker 1: make leisure. You're calling that ought to be enough to

1989
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: go and get the meaning of your life, because leisure

1990
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 1: is a wonderful thing. Arthur, great to see you, Happy

1991
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Speaker 1: to you and your family, to your marine and everyone

1992
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Speaker 1: in it. The Meaning of Your Life is available at

1993
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Speaker 1: Amazon dot com. I look forward to seeing you soon.

1994
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Speaker 1: Arthur Brooks. Be well.