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Speaker 4: Recap of the State of Utah versus Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing.

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Speaker 4: Just to set the stage again, this is about probable costs,

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Speaker 4: all right, So that is the bar that the state

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Speaker 4: a full trial. I think it's been pretty compelling evidence

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Speaker 4: thus far. Today started at one o'clock Mountain time, and

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Speaker 4: Here to help us break this down is Liz Wheeler

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Speaker 4: hosts The Liz Wheeler Show on Blaze TV. She's been

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Speaker 4: doing amazing work, really heroes work, Liz. On what you've

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Speaker 2: Give us your perception of how it's gone so far

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Speaker 2: and today Hi and Drew, Hi Blake.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my small service, you know, to honor Charlie's legacy

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Speaker 5: is just to make sure that I can help untangle

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Speaker 5: the probable cause hearing, have been incredibly damning for Tyler Robinson,

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Speaker 5: But it's also been a very revealing couple of days

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Speaker 6: Finally, and it's not only preliminary to the actual trial.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's actually additional element to that too, is

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Speaker 8: All right, counsel, if you would like to state.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me comment on the Kirk family lawyer for

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Speaker 5: You're not going to get a jury pool of people

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Speaker 5: and that happened again. I think this was actually late

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Speaker 5: But of course that wasn't true if you listened to

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Speaker 6: The video of it.

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Speaker 5: The DNA analyst said there were multiple DNA samples, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's really well said Liz.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I know you got to go,

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Speaker 4: but you've been on the record now predicting the next

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Speaker 2: I know it.

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Speaker 6: They're not very original people, so I wouldn't even put

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea, should run with it. Or they

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Speaker 2: it's like they're taunting us. They're tolling us what they did. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: this is how they operate.

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Speaker 4: Well done, Liz. Thank you for taking some time tonight.

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Speaker 4: And you got a busy schedule, so God bless you.

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Speaker 4: You seriously are doing heroes work. You're you're you're out,

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Speaker 4: you're out in front. I hopefully you're not inspiring. You're

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Speaker 4: not inspired, so this I don't think that's true. Uh So,

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Speaker 4: thank you again for joining us. Liz Wheeler hosts The

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Speaker 6: If you're wondering, they are you know who is currently

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Speaker 2: At some point.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like real, you got a lot of things

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Speaker 4: another really funny one.

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Speaker 2: Here to help us, do actually, let let the team

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry team, but we're gonna have Taylor Hanson, who's

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Speaker 4: He's gonna come and join us. And he actually went

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Speaker 4: videos from the surveillance videos are being broadcast. Right, so

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Speaker 4: bring him in. Okay, how about this, Let's play sixty

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Speaker 10: It was the third and fourth stare. So he has

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Speaker 3: But this is about as close of a replication as

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Speaker 2: Get, all right.

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Speaker 4: Taylor hans Hansen joins us now from Tbosa front Lines

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Taylor?

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Speaker 4: Quite quite the project you endeavored upon at UVU campus

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Speaker 10: I've been there a few times since Charlie was assassinated,

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Speaker 2: So where are you at right now? Is that the

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm right outside the fourth Judicial Courthouse here in Provo, Utah.

440
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so going back to that clip. I

441
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 4: don't know if you saw it. We were bringing you

442
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: in at the same time, but you know I did.

443
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: You guys do sort of markings, and actually I think

444
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 4: you in that clip you went with the fact that

445
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 4: Robinson is five to ten.

446
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: I actually think he's six foot.

447
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 6: This is debated because I think there's some I think

448
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 6: there's a police processing document or something where it says

449
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 6: five ten It's one of those things.

450
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: How much of their hair do you measure? All of that?

451
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 6: But all right, getting deeper into this, I mean, the

452
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 6: claim when they were getting whipped up by the conspiracies

453
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 6: is that this person is well over six feet.

454
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: He must be six four, six', five six,' eight.

455
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 6: Who KNOWS and i think that's trivially easy to debunk

456
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 6: Through what tyler's, been doing or even in the, video

457
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 6: footage you can see he passes by another guy in

458
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 6: the stairwell and that guy is clearly much taller.

459
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 4: Than, him well and there was also that woman that

460
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 4: was the young woman walking, past him and you know

461
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 4: it looked like they were almost, Equal hype but explain

462
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: what you were Talking about first, of all in, that clip,

463
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 4: you say it's going to be impossible for me to

464
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 4: perfectly match this because of, camera angles because of. DIFFERENT lenses,

465
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 4: i mean you tried to match the angle as much as,

466
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 4: you could but it's going to be impossible. To match

467
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 4: and then also because you've done a lot of camera

468
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 4: work over, The, years taylor explain how something on camera

469
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 4: can be, deceptive to, you know the person that's. Viewing,

470
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 4: it like, FOR example i always use the Example Of.

471
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: Tom Cruise TOM cruise i thought was like a, tall

472
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 4: man AND then i found out later he's five, to

473
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 4: seven and you KNOW.

474
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 6: What, i mean no one was ever. MORE betrayed i

475
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 6: was very be this big man crush.

476
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: On, it true that's.

477
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: That, true uh but he is a. GOOD actor i

478
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 4: have to give it to give. It to but the,

479
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 4: point is how explain how that can?

480
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 11: Be?

481
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: Deceptive, YEAH well.

482
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 10: I mean everything, is angles everything. IS lighting, i, MEAN

483
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 10: granted i mean you have to keep in mind that

484
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 10: the footage that, You know candice and others are pulling

485
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 10: and referencing in regards to him being taller than you

486
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 10: know he was prior in the first time that, you

487
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 10: know the alleged assassin came on. To campus he is

488
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 10: actually farther away from, the railing so that can also

489
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 10: kind of factor into the angle into where he how

490
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 10: much he's. Slumped over but the actual lens used in the,

491
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 10: SECURITY footage, I mean i don't have access TO the uvu,

492
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 10: security cameras so.

493
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 3: YOU know I wish, i did but that's not how.

494
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 3: It works and the lens.

495
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 10: Is going to capture things differently than, you know an iPhone,

496
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 10: seventeen camera which is what was used to film. This video,

497
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 10: you know the iPhone seventeen completely different lens than what

498
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 10: the actual security.

499
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: Footage is you know that's being portrayed here in the.

500
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 10: Preliminary hearings so it doesn't matter how much comparison. You're

501
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 10: giving you can only get, SO much i, would say

502
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 10: when using a different camera lens to actually being.

503
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: Entirely ACCURATE but i tried, my best held.

504
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 10: It up it was touching the, Same height it was

505
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 10: literally touching THE actual uvu security camera to basically try and.

506
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 10: Replicate that and regarding, you know five ten SIX foot

507
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 10: I believe i had seen online that the new thing

508
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 10: is that, you know the second guy that came through

509
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 10: is a, different guy and he appears to be anywhere

510
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 10: between six foot six, foot FOUR and I figured i

511
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 10: would Go because i'm exactly six foot and you, CAN see,

512
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 10: I mean i am taller than that person in the

513
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 10: video and in the later VIDEOS that i imagine you guys.

514
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 10: Will show there's a retaining wall with a line that

515
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 10: is clearly about halfway through the person's head that is

516
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 10: walking through, the TUNNEL and, i go who is? SIX

517
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 10: foot i go and stand next, to it and it's

518
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 10: touching my, Shoulders essentially so there's clearly a high differential

519
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 10: taking place in regards.

520
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: To well let's show that. Sixty eight this is obviously the.

521
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: Tunnel where it came down the.

522
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 10: Retaining stairs what's interesting about this once again, camera differentials

523
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 10: but we're about matching roughly as close as we can.

524
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 10: High wise Looking the, robinson video he's about, right, here

525
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 10: okay roughly about somebody that would land at five. To

526
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 10: ten it's about right in the middle of. His face i'm.

527
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 10: Six foot this is barely above. My shoulders so there's

528
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 10: a clear difference taking place.

529
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 8: Right here so this is.

530
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 10: The staircase right, after ROTATING while i was just showing

531
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 10: you in the tunnel comes up the s right side of,

532
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 10: the rail walking with one fairly straight leg going up

533
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 10: roughly right about here is where you see that girl

534
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 10: come down the staircase next, to him and he keeps

535
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 10: his head slightly down obviously because my phone is right underneath.

536
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 10: The camera as close as we. Can replicate he swings

537
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 10: close to this railing, right here then he swings out.

538
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 8: Wide again so.

539
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: YOU know i think this, is interesting and BECAUSE now

540
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: i have a QUESTION about i don't know that. It's

541
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 4: relevant but so here here's the Image That candice. Owens

542
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: published originally she cut off the top of, his HEAD

543
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: which i think was. First indicators notice how you don't

544
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 4: see the. Top number you get up to about, seventy

545
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 4: inches which would put him at five.

546
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: To ten but here is The actual so it.

547
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: Goes all the way up And to, blake's point maybe he's,

548
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 4: six foot maybe it's five eleven and a half. OR something,

549
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: i mean, who knows it's it like to, your point

550
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 4: it's like how much of that?

551
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 2: IS hair i, don't know but it's.

552
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: An approximation so based on those two images that now

553
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: go back to that, retaining wall what what are the

554
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: take draw our eyes and ears to what needs to

555
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 4: be seen by the audience.

556
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: THERE tailor, i.

557
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 10: Mean well you see THAT they're i mean they would

558
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 10: say that it's almost roughly, the same but it is just.

559
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 10: Slightly different to kind of drive that, Fact, that okay

560
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 10: even if he is, five' ten then it doesn't matter

561
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 10: in this scenario because one camera angles. Play into, it

562
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 10: but me as a six, FOOT tall man i am

563
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 10: completely different than what that, video essentially portrayed and that also,

564
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 10: leads into angling that leads into me using. My iPhone

565
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 10: camera so the idea that this is kind of, the

566
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 10: new narrative it's. DEBUNKED in itself i don't even need

567
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 10: to go down there to really even. Raise this Argument

568
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 10: but the internet has kind of been taken over in

569
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 10: a sense with. These CONSPIRACY theories and i can understand,

570
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 10: questioning certain things, it's human nature but when you can't

571
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 10: actually question. Things of substance when the, GOALPOSTS continuously MOVED

572
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 10: i figured i would go down to the campus, and

573
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 10: you know actually draw. Attention to this so let's see

574
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 10: where the goalposts move. The, next time essentially that's my goal, Is,

575
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 10: to see okay what are we actually gonna talk About

576
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 10: that has why don't we watch, the preliminary hearing see the.

577
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 10: Evidence come out i'm out here every single day reporting on,

578
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 10: what's going on both inside and. Outside the courtroom all

579
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 10: of these people online they, are not here and they're

580
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 10: not here, for a reason and the, only you know

581
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 10: clips that they're actually using are clips completely taken.

582
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: Out of Context that's.

583
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: What, I'VE noticed yep i.

584
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 4: Totally AGREE that so i want to so, Because, you're

585
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: there taylor and thank you. For doing that that was

586
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 4: really interesting and it does, show that You guys are

587
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: you're probably a little bit, taller than him and it

588
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: shows it that you basically is what we would have

589
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: expected that based on where your shoulder lines, up to.

590
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: His et cetera plus he's also hunched over with the gun,

591
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: potentially you know down one.

592
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: Or two legs we're not sure how exactly.

593
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: How that was i'm significantly. Wider as well that's. Another, big.

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Speaker 4: All right so, here's another thing because you're actually there

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Speaker 4: on the. GROUND covering this. I saw, this you, know,

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Speaker 4: there's this UH there's This I forget elizabeth. Lane or

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Speaker 4: something there's this whole crew of these people, that are

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Speaker 2: Spotted out there you.

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Speaker 4: Can show this This is from tammy McDonald seventeen, on

639
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: Social media Says candas's favorite russian Spy Set the tyler robinson,

640
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: preliminary hearing, today her. Words not, mine of course she didn't.

641
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: Wait in line one of her cronies held a spot

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00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: since two. Thirty, this morning. Okay that's interesting and then

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00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: we have we have some videos OF.

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00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: You can i guess throw.

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00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: The b roll, they're, literally posting yeah images of them,

646
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: like camping out, very happy, jolly you know, happy go lucky. Which,

647
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: is weird actually this is a murder trial and they're

648
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 4: very excited to. Be waiting line what are you seeing

649
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 4: when it comes to this is this like did you?

650
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: See these people what's the scene like outside. Of the

651
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: courthouse i'd.

652
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 10: Say it's about ninety, five percent press given the national

653
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 10: attention that this. Trial is drawn but you do have

654
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 10: people that. ARE camping out i did actually see. THESE

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00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 10: people today i did not, interact WITH them but i

656
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Speaker 10: interacted with another group of PEOPLE yesterday that i had gotten,

657
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 10: a tip from and it was a left wing journalist

658
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 10: that actually tipped me.

659
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: Off to it they.

660
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 10: Were, wearing freedom shirts believe, it OR not and i

661
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 10: guess They Are pro, tyler ROBINSON essentially and i attempted.

662
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 10: To interview them they almost immediately clocked me as Contracting.

663
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 10: With front lines they had seen my work, in the

664
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 10: past and they were not willing to speak, On the

665
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 10: issue AND of course, i told, Them you know. I'LL

666
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 10: be polite i just want to. Know your opinion why,

667
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 10: are you here why are you? Sitting in attendance what

668
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 10: interest does it? Have to you and they weren't willing to.

669
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 10: Talk to me so, every single day at, least so

670
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 10: far you do have people that are basically coming in

671
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 10: here getting access to the preliminary hearings That Are.

672
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: Pro, tyler robinson.

673
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah and they are, actually Getting, Access, Right, taylor yes yeah.

674
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 10: They're camping out these people are staying overnight in a,

675
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 10: lot of cases so they're the very first to, actually

676
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 10: get access and there's only a limited, amount of spots

677
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 10: so they're essentially making up the.

678
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: PLACES of, people i mean there's.

679
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 10: Children out here there were PEOPLE, that attended uvu that,

680
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 10: witness it firsthand that actually wanted to get into today

681
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 10: that weren't able.

682
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: To, get in well it, doesn't surprise me, because you

683
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: know it's, it's a, cult you, know you know those

684
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: are the people that are going to have this cultish.

685
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: DEVOTION to this i think misplaced, moralizing about this right

686
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: we're wearing. The, freedom shirts yeah they're part of a

687
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: whole contingent online that wants To rip, down charlie's organization

688
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 4: attack his widow. And his family but they see themselves

689
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: as the defenders Of the, of charlie's legacy, WHICH you

690
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: know I think that's, erica's job personally but that's. But

691
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: that's fine anything else you want, To, bring up taylor

692
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: that you want our audience to be aware of that's

693
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: happening around the courthouse or, What, YOU'RE witnessing, yeah.

694
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 10: I mean just, i would say get your information from the.

695
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 10: Actual preliminary hearing it's live streamed. For a reason watch

696
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 10: it all if. You have time don't just go, on social,

697
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 10: media you know because all these clips are being taken.

698
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 12: Out of.

699
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 10: Context You Know obviously lance twigs was a very big.

700
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 10: Focal point today YESTERDAY it. Was dna evidence so every

701
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 10: single day we're seeing new developments and it's always being taken.

702
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 10: Out of context so if you actually want to understand

703
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 10: what's taking place during, this preliminary hearing.

704
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: You need to just.

705
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Watch the thing however, Slow, it goes yeah and. It's

706
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: very slow.

707
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: It's, Very slow taylor thank, you so much. FOR your

708
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: reporting i appreciate you making some time. For us, tonight,

709
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 4: great job, man of course thanks.

710
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: FOR having me i do want.

711
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: To, show this clip and it's we haven't loaded. As

712
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: seventy two it's the rifle disassembled and put in. Both

713
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 4: pant legs this is a really interesting visual because it

714
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: shows how easy and how quick it is to disassemble

715
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: a rifle and also how you could store it in.

716
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 4: Your pant legs it's, not seventy two assuming since.

717
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 10: This was the longest piece and then it was causing

718
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 10: so much hiccup in his gidea that this is probably

719
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 10: maybe what was on.

720
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 8: His right legs so because when you do.

721
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: See him walking he's kind of this arm is not

722
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: moving right now.

723
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 8: As it sits the muzzle of the rifle is just.

724
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 8: Below my knee.

725
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 7: We saw him moving with, no hit movement but he

726
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 7: was still able to.

727
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 8: MOVE his knee i can still.

728
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 6: Bend my knee the stock is significantly thicker than the

729
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 6: barrel and, the receiver action.

730
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 8: Especially back there but this is gonna be. WELL trick

731
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 8: here i wonder if it can go in this side and,

732
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 8: under the arm pull it.

733
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: Back, up under.

734
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 8: Okay what that looks like, from the front is there

735
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 8: any indication that. You got that? How's my. MOVEMENT i'm

736
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 8: moving i DON'T know.

737
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: HOW i move i think that may be part of

738
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: the limp was that he was trying to move without.

739
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 8: Printing the rifle.

740
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 6: See how it was because that one, pull of shots

741
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 6: he's got, his arms out he's walking.

742
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 8: Up the stairs.

743
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm of possibility.

744
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 10: That, you can.

745
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: WALK all right i just want to show that. Is

746
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: another example there's a series.

747
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 4: Of these guys they, tend to, be you know gun

748
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: aficionados and really, into that space and they're breaking down

749
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: how that, limp could happen how you could assemble a rifle.

750
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: On A rooftop and i just think.

751
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: It's really REALLY interesting and i think really helpful to understand.

752
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: What, probably, Happened.

753
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776
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Speaker 4: a former litigator, he's, a YouTuber rumbler he's. A content Career,

777
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Speaker 4: he's a canadian but Now.

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Speaker 2: He's an. America that's, rough, no, no, no, no no. No

779
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Speaker 2: that's good. He's fully. Reformed, he's changed. Alva welcome, back

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Speaker 8: Not, fully Reformed yet. But, god willing okay.

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Speaker 2: You're in process, You're, in process.

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Speaker 4: Okay so vivid you are always a GUY that and

784
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: i actually LOVE this, because, I Believe hey tyler robinson

785
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: is innocent. UNTIL proven guilty i believe that is sacricynct.

786
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: IN our system i believe the evidence, is VERY compelling

787
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: but i believe he's innocent. Until proven guilty and you

788
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: are a guy. With nuanced takes you're a guy that

789
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 4: kind of. Sees Both sides you you're you're willing to

790
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 4: hear out the, more conspiratorial end and you're also willing

791
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: to hear out the people, that, are like hey it's

792
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 4: pretty obvious.

793
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: From, that vantage point what? Are?

794
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 5: You?

795
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Seeing what what how is this? Going, so far well.

796
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 8: From, THAT vantage point i will now Be on the

797
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 8: i'm in On it.

798
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 11: BECAUSE i'm With tpusa and, andrew faith like this is

799
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 11: how lunatic the?

800
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 8: Internet has BECOME how do i see it?

801
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 11: GOING right now i happen to think there's substantial prima

802
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 11: fascie Evidence To indicate tyler robinson was, on the roof,

803
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 11: pulled the trigger was identified, by, his. Mother etcetera etcetera

804
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 11: we're living in. A World now whether i'm not in

805
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 11: a steam son of this is. Just a backdrop we're

806
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 11: living in. A, world now however those, people, no no

807
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 11: people like if you don't don't do Vlogs from the.

808
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 11: Steam song anymore but we're living in a world where

809
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 11: people have sort of gotten back into the Realm Of

810
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 11: the Alex, Jones Info wars sandy hook level psychotic conspiracy.

811
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 11: Everywhere where now, people are, SAYING all right i believe

812
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 11: everything we're being told. Is A lie so i'm going

813
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 11: to not believe anything except For that which i've convinced.

814
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 11: MYSELF of already i Don't Know if tyler robinson. PULLED

815
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 11: the trigger i don't know if he was on the

816
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 11: roof and he was the one who. FIRED the gun

817
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 11: i know what the preliminary evidence looks, like RIGHT now

818
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 11: and i know it's being a jewe at. The preliminary

819
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 11: hearing but the insane conspiracy theories that are being floated

820
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 11: that are implicating everyone, and anyone involved that are unsubstantiated

821
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 11: and unfalsifiable. IN their, Vagueness i Mean I'm seeing sandy

822
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 11: hook two point zero. RECURRING right now i appreciate there

823
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 11: are some issues, with the prosecution there's some issues, with

824
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 11: the investigation and.

825
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 8: There's some issues.

826
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 11: WITH the evidence I go where, I can find i,

827
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 11: Can appreciate that but to go from there to say that,

828
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 11: It's exploding microphones, israel did it.

829
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 8: And not that Israel might not israel might have had a.

830
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 11: Hand in this but until you can provide the slightest

831
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 11: shred of EVIDENCE other than i can divine an, intention

832
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 11: or emotive you have to admit that from the evidence

833
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 11: that you. Have right now if you have a more

834
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 11: plausible theory than the, one being Presented Which is tyler

835
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 11: robinson was, on the roof, took the shot, had the rifle,

836
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 11: had the moment. Had the opportunity if you have a

837
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 11: more plausible, theory to present you can go ahead.

838
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 8: And present it but you don't get to manufacture facts out.

839
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 11: Of whole cloth you don't get to misrepresent what is

840
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 11: being induced at this preliminary hearing in TERMS of.

841
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 8: The dna evidence whether.

842
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 11: YOU believe in dna, evidence or not don't misrepresent which.

843
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 11: Percentage it's favoring whether or not You Believe that tyler

844
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 11: robinson was not able to have the rifle, in his

845
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 11: legs if you misrepresent that he was shifting his limb

846
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 11: from the right leg to, the left leg without contemplating

847
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 11: the idea that it might have been a reverse image mirror.

848
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 11: Of the video you don't get to, make up facts

849
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 11: you don't get. To misrepresent law you don't get to

850
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 11: say he's innocent because they haven't proven beyond a reasonable

851
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 11: doubt that he's guilty at, a preliminary hearing which itself.

852
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 8: IS probable, cause.

853
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 11: I mean we're in a realm NOW where it's i

854
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 11: guess in a way it's the Ultimate Flattery, to charlie

855
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 11: kirk which is the loss, is so great the loss

856
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 11: is so monumental that people have to come up with

857
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 11: concoctions to try to make sense of what is. A

858
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 11: senseless crime but preliminary hearing is going the. Way it's

859
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 11: going the evidence indicates on Probable Cause that tyler robinson should.

860
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 8: Go to trial if people think that the video evidence is.

861
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 11: Not clear cut not sufficiently clear that his own, mother

862
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 11: identified him you can raise reasonable doubt at the. Trial

863
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 11: right now, it's preliminary hearing probable cause, a lower threshold

864
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 11: and people don't get to make up facts and misrepresent

865
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 11: things to promote their insane conspiracy theories that are not.

866
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: Tendered, to reality, well you know It's funny BECAUSE i've

867
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: heard i thought that was Really, well said vivo, because

868
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: you know one of my frustrations in all of this

869
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: is that because there has been so many allegations HEAPED,

870
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: on the Org KEEPED on eric i heaped on Myself

871
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: Or whoever ben shapiro now is in, the you know.

872
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: The the attention so, here's WHAT'S interesting though. I have

873
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 4: questions i. DO have questions i want to Know It

874
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: was lance twigg's actually. A co, conspirator YOU know when

875
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: i hear there's only six police, officers at campus that's,

876
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: frustrating to hear like a in, a really. DEEP profound

877
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: way i want to know was he? RADICALIZED by somebody

878
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: i want To Know ABOUT. ARMED queer's slc i want

879
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: to know was. THEIR money involved i want to know who.

880
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: KNEW what when i have. Lots of questions but what

881
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: we're dealing with here and now is Whether Or not

882
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 4: tyler robinson was the guy who?

883
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: Pulled?

884
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,959
Speaker 4: The trigger okay and can you get proved probable cause

885
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: to take this to? A. FULL trial okay i want

886
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: to show these two images back to back because this

887
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 4: was actually something. That happened today we got to see

888
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: The Video of tyler robinson in the holding room after he. Turned,

889
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 4: himself in, okay that's him that's him from that's a still. From,

890
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: That video okay now go to the still from the

891
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: parking garage. The day, before similar, Shirt SIMILAR hat AND

892
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: i was i think from testimony that He was wearing

893
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: converse shoes when he, turned HIMSELF in and i believe

894
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 4: that's what was described in this. Image as well so

895
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 4: go back to. That other one and, by the way

896
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: you see a profile shot of him. IN another time

897
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: i just like this one because the. Shirt is clear

898
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: and go back now to. The parking grush go, Back.

899
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: And forth viva i'm told there's no evidence. That that's

900
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 4: him i'm looking at that going that. Looks, Like HIM

901
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: uh and i guess the newest the newest theory is

902
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 4: that this person in.

903
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Body double is.

904
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: A body double body double there we, can never see

905
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: even though it was with a family friend and it was.

906
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: With, his, parents.

907
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 11: Yeah no, Appreciation, Appreciate, that, like okay fine you say it's,

908
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 11: a body double then try to raise, That. As reasonable

909
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 11: doug right now we're at probable cause as to whether

910
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 11: or not he committed the crime for which he, should

911
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 11: STAND trial and i appreciate people saying the video or

912
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 11: the images of him in a black shirt and the

913
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 11: different clothing doesn't. Look, like, him okay fine you can

914
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 11: raise those. Arguments right now you're at probable cause for

915
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 11: the aggregate. Of THE evidence his dna is, on the gun, not,

916
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 11: The GUN sorry his dna is on the screwdriver. And

917
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 11: the towel and he. Was on campus he was not a.

918
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 11: Student on campus his own mother. Called him in this

919
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 11: is the probable cause. Stage of it if you want

920
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 11: to argue it's, a body double. It's not him they.

921
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 11: Don't match up he's got a limp switching from one leg.

922
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 11: To the other you'll do. That at trial and it's

923
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 11: not to say he's got to. Prove his innocence it's

924
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 11: that probable cause versus proof beyond a reasonable doubts are

925
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 11: two different thresholds at two different stages, of the proceedings

926
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 11: and people need to understand that, the bottom line, he

927
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 11: was arrested detained in the clothing that he appears to

928
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 11: be wearing the day. Before on campus that's probable cause.

929
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 11: On his face SET, Aside the dna set aside the

930
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 11: text messages which people can tear. Apart on trial but

931
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 11: this is The insanity that i'm, calling it psychotic Delusional

932
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 11: Insanity that Ben shapiro the News, of the day he

933
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 11: admitted on his show he got a call, from his

934
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 11: security got A Call from charlie kirk's security right after,

935
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 11: the shooting, saying you know an update of sorts.

936
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 8: On the shooting.

937
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 11: Like that's crazy they deduce from that that he was somehow,

938
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 11: in On it that masad because his security or form

939
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 11: of masaude that that's how they would coordinate between the

940
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 11: two of them to confirm that The takeout by massad.

941
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 11: HAS been, established i mean it's so insane that you

942
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 11: would go with that outlandish theory as opposed to these,

943
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 11: are prominent conservatives and at the time, after the shooting,

944
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 11: my understanding, is you know people were fearful that this

945
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 11: might have been a coordinated attack targeting Other prominent, conservatives

946
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 11: candace included, by the way by, her own statements and

947
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 11: that they jumped. To his agent his Security are, former

948
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 11: massad agents and so they are calling to give him

949
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 11: an update on the Confirmation of the massad Assassination Hit.

950
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 11: ON charlie, kirk i mean you're dealing with people positing

951
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 11: theories that really can never be falsified and that don't

952
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 11: even make sense, on the simplest most reasonable. Interpretation of

953
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 11: things so my interpretation is that more. Likely Than not

954
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 11: ben shapiro got, A call said. KIRK'S been assassinated i

955
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 11: think people knew he was dead. Well, in advance uh,

956
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 11: Watch Your, back tucker carlson. Watch your back we don't

957
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 11: know if. This is isolated the shoot is still. On

958
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 11: the loose but this is the delusion of conspiracy theory

959
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 11: that there are people are entertaining right.

960
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 8: Now when it comes to. The, actual evidence yes they.

961
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 11: Now have evidence he was detained in the clothes that

962
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 11: he was appeared in in the on the campus. The

963
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 11: day before maybe he's got. A good defense maybe someone

964
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 11: else was wearing the. Exact same stuff you'll get to

965
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 11: the beyond a reasonable doubt at the trial. And the,

966
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 11: merits right now it's probable cause and, whether or not more,

967
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 11: likely than not a crime has been committed for, which

968
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 11: this individual whoever, he may be. Should Stand Trial.

969
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,920
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972
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973
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974
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975
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976
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977
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Speaker 6: I mean i genuinely think you could not merely get

999
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 6: probable cause you could probably actually get a conviction on

1000
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 6: the standalone element of any really of, the four things

1001
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 6: if you, want to say the four legs of, the

1002
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 6: stool here which is the video footage of his car

1003
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 6: and him on the campus where he is at the time,

1004
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 6: of the SHOOTING from the dna evidence that we have

1005
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 6: on the towel and, on the screwdriver and possibly. On

1006
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 6: the gun eventually it will turn out which again we

1007
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 6: can trace back to him from the text messages and

1008
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 6: from his interactions with his parents and.

1009
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: TURNING himself in i.

1010
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 6: Think any one of those legs of that stool would

1011
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 6: be enough to clear problem cause and probably, get a

1012
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 6: conviction and instead we have all four.

1013
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Of THOSE things and i.

1014
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 4: Think it's fascinating at that point to highlight, the, constant

1015
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: objection objection objection. From the defense we saw this first with,

1016
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 4: the compilation video which was. A huge bombshell i mean that,

1017
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 4: that video alone that compilation tracing his steps on campus

1018
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: the four times he visited according, to the state was a.

1019
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: Really big revelation, SOCIAL media was i mean on fire.

1020
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 4: About it yesterday this is the second time that they

1021
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 4: seem to have been fighting tooth and nail to block

1022
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: at least certain Parts of this twig's video, recording INTERVIEW

1023
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 4: right so i can only imagine that it's gonna be

1024
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 4: the next big explosive. Piece of it it seems like

1025
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: the judge is going to be redacting a number of

1026
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 4: pages from the twenty two page kind of, transcript of

1027
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 4: it which means we're gonna lose big, chunks of it

1028
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: which the family Represented for the, kirk family said we want.

1029
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 4: It all published if you're gonna, it as evidence we won't.

1030
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 4: It all published and then, the, judge says hey just

1031
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: to call. My shot here most of the stuff we're

1032
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 4: redacting is just the text messages which have already been

1033
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: sort of publicized in.

1034
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: The charging, document.

1035
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 11: No, true but yeah but the judge said he's going.

1036
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 11: To consider it it's just a question of not really

1037
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 11: not publishing it. To the public so it's not that

1038
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 11: it's not going to be factor into. The judge's decision

1039
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 11: he's going, to determine relevance so he'll. He'll consider it

1040
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 11: but again, at this stage, come trial time everything's going.

1041
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 8: To be different it's going to sort of.

1042
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 11: Start from scratch but just, to you know to get

1043
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 11: to the issue that like you can convict him on

1044
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 11: any one of, the four things you don't know, the text,

1045
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 11: messages the provenance the authenticity needs to BE. Proven his

1046
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 11: dna that's a, double edged sword just to not get into.

1047
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 11: The conspiratorial ground if there's eighty nine and NINETY five

1048
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 11: percent Dna Of, of tyler robinson there's five and eleven percent,

1049
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 11: of somebody else is a five and eleven percent of

1050
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 11: it being someone? Else reasonable doubt you couple that with

1051
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 11: all of the, other circumstantial evidence and you know it'll

1052
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 11: be a separate issue to. Prove AT trial so i

1053
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 11: don't think you get there on the preliminary hearing even

1054
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 11: based on what's Been a juiced but what do you?

1055
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 11: Do get here and this is where people accuse me

1056
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 11: of BUYING into the fed narrative and, they call, Me

1057
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 11: you know GOBBLER of. THE fed slot i sincerely and

1058
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 11: genuinely believe other, people were involved and right now we're getting. Confirmation, of,

1059
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 11: It tyler sorry twiggs was more involved than. We ever

1060
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 11: THOUGHT if his dna is on not, JUST the towel

1061
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 11: a towel is EASIER to understand dna. On the, Screwdriver,

1062
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 11: You know lance Twiggs Knew that tyler robinson was engraving

1063
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 11: whatever fascist.

1064
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 8: You know thing he was.

1065
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 11: Engraving on bullets so you're dealing with people who were

1066
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 11: aware of a.

1067
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 8: Plot in advance couple that with the actual level on

1068
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 8: Or at.

1069
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 4: Least viva hold on. On that note you can't deduce

1070
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: That yet that twiggs knew. ABOUT the plot i have

1071
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 4: stated multiple times from this chair that if we do

1072
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 4: find out that he was engaged as a co conspirator

1073
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 4: or it's had advanced noticed that this was going to

1074
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 4: happen and they tried to cover the tracks with, THESE

1075
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 4: text messages i want the guy held accountable to the

1076
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: max extent, of the lot don't, get me wrong but

1077
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: you can't deduce that. FROM the fact i mean they

1078
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 4: were gay lovers in living in the same house that

1079
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 4: they could, have shared towels they could have. Shared Even

1080
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 4: screwdrivers screwdriver I'M just. SAYING i could i don't think

1081
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 4: you could deduce that he was complicit or a co

1082
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 4: conspirator just from, From, the.

1083
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 11: Well no well complicit when when he's. Texting his LOVER

1084
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 11: remember when i was engraving. THE bullet, casings i mean

1085
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 11: and that's not something that you witness your lover doing

1086
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 11: and you, don't ask, second.

1087
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 8: YOU know, questions i mean.

1088
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 6: THAT'S something an antifa person would.

1089
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: You know he could have.

1090
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: JUST been, doing, I mean, listen I agree like i've

1091
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 4: never engraved a bullet, with you know screw communists or,

1092
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 4: something LIKE that But i, THEY if you i don't

1093
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: know if You've Seen the. Turkey tom, VIDEO if not

1094
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 4: i actually PUT it. ON x today i really encourage

1095
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 4: you to see it because it's a whistleblower friend that

1096
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 4: reached out to this YouTuber and it's i think it's

1097
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 4: got like almost close to two million views. On this

1098
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 4: thing he published it all the way back In Like,

1099
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 4: What october october and it is an inside look into

1100
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 4: this world that that these kids. WERE living in i

1101
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 4: actually was talking to a reporter that's on the. Ground

1102
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 4: reporting there gave me a call today and he watched

1103
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 4: it last night and, HE was like whoa like? It

1104
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 4: IT is and i think the word he, used was

1105
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 4: like now you can see really clearly how you could

1106
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: the moral disassociation and the just disassociating from reality that

1107
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 4: this world they. Were Living in lance. Twigs was supermanic

1108
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 4: he was prone to these huge emotional shifts and waves h,

1109
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 4: and You know uh robinson. Was comforting him according, to,

1110
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: This FRIEND right and i have every reason to believe

1111
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 4: that that. Video is credible i've been. Told it's credible,

1112
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 4: so it's like you could see why this world was completely,

1113
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: Bizarre and weird and it doesn't necessarily lead me To

1114
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: believe that twigs knew anything was.

1115
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: About, to happen.

1116
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 11: Well If the turkey tone video was the one describing

1117
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 11: a prior incident where two, lovers you know got themselves

1118
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 11: basically to get psychotically enveloped in, A murder conspiracy i'm

1119
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 11: not sure if it's that.

1120
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 4: Video, Or, not no it's it's it's a friend that

1121
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 4: is describing the world that they. Were living in, It's

1122
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: You know lance, twigs would nest he would, get really

1123
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 4: depressed and he wouldn't get off the floor out of,

1124
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: the living room and he would just sort of slowly

1125
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 4: gather like a hoarder all these. Objects around him lots,

1126
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 4: of drug use was IT, black market hrt, lots of drinking.

1127
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 4: Lots of vaping.

1128
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 8: You might be we might be describing sort of. The

1129
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 8: SAME thing when.

1130
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 11: I Say That that lance, TWIGS had it.

1131
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 2: I see it i see what, YOU did there i see.

1132
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 11: What, you did no because it is you're describing a world,

1133
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 11: of ABJECT insanity, which, i hold yes is but the bottom,

1134
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 11: the bottom line when people are posting, online in advance

1135
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 11: something big is going to happen, At you Know. University

1136
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 11: of utah wouldn't Be great if. Charlie gets shot that

1137
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 11: leads me, to believe, that you know Above And beyond lance,

1138
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 11: twigs being somehow, if not involved at least aware of

1139
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 11: other people. Were as WELL and when, I see that

1140
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 11: i don't buy the, YOU know buy i. DON'T buy anything,

1141
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 11: I QUESTION everything and i don't take For granted that tyler.

1142
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 8: ACTED alone was i don't. Believe he.

1143
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 11: Was it's.

1144
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: Viva you just made me. THINK of something i want

1145
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: to play, this clip again. WHICH is interesting i didn't

1146
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: clock it until you just said. WHAT you said i

1147
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 4: POSTED this on x and then we. JUST played it

1148
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: i believe. It's cut seventy this Is From that turkey

1149
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 4: tom video Talking about which discord server, he confessed in because.

1150
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: Apparently he was. Active in. TWO this isn't i don't

1151
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: know if, there's anything here but play.

1152
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 7: Cut seventy profession message to their old. Friend group server

1153
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 7: it's interesting to me that he sent it in this

1154
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 7: server And not to, lance's New server because i'm not sure.

1155
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 7: Why that is it could just be that he was

1156
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 7: less familiar with, the people there but based on the

1157
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 7: kind of, messages sent there which we're gonna, go over

1158
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 7: later it could be that he wanted to avoid having

1159
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 7: anyone say something that resembled support for his actions.

1160
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 4: In the original so that's, where, He's confessing right and

1161
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: that's the time code Nine, fifty seven eastern which would

1162
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 4: have been. Seven fifty seven he turned himself in, around

1163
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 4: nine o'clock so about. An hour later it's interesting because

1164
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 4: There's two different discord servers he was involved.

1165
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 8: In too that. We know of.

1166
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 11: Not to, get too conspiratorial but when We're Told that

1167
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 11: thomas crooks was not involved in any, social media activity and,

1168
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 11: then you know you.

1169
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 8: Get reports coming out that he had multiple.

1170
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 11: Social MEDIA footprints do i Believe That that tyler robinson

1171
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 11: was only involved in two discord chats?

1172
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: With?

1173
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 11: A service, no I don't and i'd love to know

1174
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 11: each and every individual who, was on them if. They've

1175
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 11: been investigated, how people knew allegedly, apparently in advance something was.

1176
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 11: Going to happen, how you know he's confessing to his

1177
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 11: boyfriend ABOUT remember when i was, engraving those bullets and

1178
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 11: then he goes to the discord servers to confess to

1179
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 11: what he did where on, The discord servers even according to,

1180
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 11: the official narrative they're already talking about having noticed What Happened.

1181
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 8: TO charlie, KIRK i mean i don't believe that there

1182
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 8: were only.

1183
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 11: TWO discord servers i don't believe that there was nobody

1184
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 11: of relevance on Any of. THOSE discord servers i Don't Believe,

1185
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 11: that george zin that old pervert who was subsequently arrested

1186
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 11: for and pleaded guilty to child sex abuse material on

1187
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 11: his cell phone after he admitted or purported to admit

1188
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 11: that he was there as a distraction to the shooter

1189
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 11: to allow him.

1190
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 8: To get away was?

1191
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 11: There by accident so, all THAT said do i believe

1192
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 11: that it was an Exploding microphone that masad planted because

1193
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 11: they used pages to kill Some terrorists in Gaza In. The,

1194
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 11: west bank no because there's no evidence to suggest that

1195
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 11: at this. Point IN time do i refuse to ever

1196
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 11: believe it possibly. In, the future no but there needs

1197
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 11: to be evidence to.

1198
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: Support, certain things well, That's exactly right that's, what you.

1199
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: SAID is, key i mean my mind is completely open To.

1200
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: ALL of listen i want to. KNOW the.

1201
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 4: TRUTH i totally i have lots of questions when It

1202
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: comes to, first of all you, Said, exactly right viva?

1203
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: Is there evidence do you have actual proof or is

1204
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 4: it just vibes and.

1205
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: Like, gut feeling okay that's not how.

1206
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 4: You convict people that's not how you do this, In Our,

1207
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 4: process thank god. By the, way and secondly if that

1208
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 4: stuff comes out, in the future It's not like i'm.

1209
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 4: GONNA fight it i think there's this perception among some

1210
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 4: Online that, LIKE we're like i don't ask, questions, like, no.

1211
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: No, no no no.

1212
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 4: NO no no i want to know the truth on.

1213
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 4: All this Stuff but what i'm looking at the evidence

1214
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 4: that has been presented at court in this, preliminary hearing to,

1215
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: as you said reach the burden of probable cause, is extraordinarily.

1216
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: Compelling YOU know AND i just i think there's some.

1217
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: People that won't believe. They're lying, eyes, you know.

1218
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 11: Well there are people who still insist nobody Was Killed.

1219
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 11: At sandy hook there are people who insist, that the,

1220
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 11: destruction you know tearing down and raising of The Building

1221
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 11: at sandy hook was an indication that no one. Was

1222
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 11: KILLED there do i think, It, was SUSPICIOUS yes because

1223
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 11: i think, The You Know sandy hooks school was destroyed

1224
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 11: to cover up some of the corruption of the school

1225
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 11: that they didn't actually invest the monies that they, were given,

1226
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 11: in you know for the purposes. Of GUN safety do

1227
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 11: i think it's weird that they raised a leveled and

1228
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 11: dug up the dirt of the. CRIME scene here i

1229
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 11: can appreciate, the official narrative, which is, That you Know

1230
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 11: university of utah wanted to clean up a traumatic crime

1231
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 11: scene so they could get back to university. Activity AS normal,

1232
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 11: if I believe and i might very well, that you

1233
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 11: know there might have been people at the university that

1234
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 11: were involved in not, securing THE roof telling tpusa that the,

1235
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 11: roof was secure that they don't need, their own drones

1236
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 11: and might they want to destroy and cover up, and

1237
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 11: you know bury their.

1238
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 8: OWN crime scene i could.

1239
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 11: Believe that, too, but, again theories beliefs and that for

1240
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 11: which you have the slightest shread of evidence are. Three

1241
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 11: Different things and i'm able to understand and DISTINGUISH between, what.

1242
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 8: I believe what, i can PROVE and what i.

1243
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 11: Can reasonably argue and for, the time being if there's

1244
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 11: a Better Theory than tyler robinson having, TAKEN the shot

1245
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 11: i appreciate all the holes everybody. Wants to poke they'll do.

1246
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 11: That at trial that's what. Good lawyers do he didn't

1247
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 11: have enough time to. Assemble the gun he couldn't have

1248
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 11: been running around with it. In his legs it's not

1249
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 11: him in the black shirt versus the maroon Shoot. The

1250
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 11: sure shirt they'll raise. That at trial but until is,

1251
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 11: a better theory and until there's the slightest shred of

1252
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 11: evidence to support exploding my theories a, second gunman theory

1253
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 11: a trapdoor theory un tells the slightest shred of evidence

1254
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 11: to support that you can float unsubstantiated and thus. Unfalsifiable

1255
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 11: conspiracy theories it makes you look, like an idiot.

1256
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 8: And it makes you look at an.

1257
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 11: Idiot and untrustworthy but the bottom, line right now in

1258
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 11: the ordinary course, of criminal, prosecution preliminary, hearing Probable Cause.

1259
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 11: Here's tyler robinson here's some images sufficiently clear that his own.

1260
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 11: Mother identified him the rifle identified. By his father fragments

1261
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 11: determined to, be a bullet not. An exploding microphone and

1262
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 11: if it is, an exploding, microphone my goodness the defense

1263
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 11: will be that much easier.

1264
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 8: Come trial time.

1265
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 4: There you go and, by the way medical examiner says

1266
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 4: it was a gunshot wound. To the neck there's no

1267
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 4: mention of an exploding. Mic or anything, they just viva.

1268
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: We gotta go.

1269
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry we're gonna do a little bit of

1270
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 4: a hand Off here with jack over. To his show,

1271
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: that was, Excellent my friend thank, You so much.

1272
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 8: Thank, you very, Much gosped everyone god.

1273
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: Bless You, man.

1274
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,680
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Speaker 2: To viva's point it's not that we, don't have questions

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Speaker 2: we just.

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Speaker 4: Don't have evidence so you can have all the vibes,

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Speaker 4: and you know whatever else you, want to have but

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Speaker 4: if you have no evidence and you're accusing innocent people,

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Speaker 4: or innocent things, or innocent groups then that's reckless and we.

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Speaker 4: Don't do that we stick. To the facts it's what

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Speaker 4: the state. Has to do that's, what.

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Speaker 2: You know we try.

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Speaker 4: And LIVE by and i think they're the evidence in

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Speaker 4: and of itself. Is very compelling one OTHER thought That

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Speaker 4: i think viva brought up is that it's this sort

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Speaker 4: Of compliment to charlie That people because charlie, was so

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Speaker 4: important he was so incredible and, so JUST influential That

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Speaker 4: i think it's hard for a lot of, People, to

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Speaker 4: think hey maybe. It's this dude it's not two year

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Speaker 4: old that just climbs up.

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Speaker 6: On a roof it's not satisfying to think that some

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Speaker 6: weird loser who lived with his furry boyfriend and they

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Speaker 6: did a bunch of and lived in, their furry nest

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Speaker 6: that that guy could almost just change the cours just

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Speaker 6: he could he could kill a world Historical figure like

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Speaker 6: charlie because he was a wretched person.

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Speaker 2: Who embraced violence and that's what drives a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of theories it's just like we get The stuff

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Speaker 6: with kennedy because you don't want to believe a president

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Speaker 6: can be taken.

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Speaker 3: Out, that.

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Speaker 4: Way totally Totally We have Jack Posobic Now. Human events

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Speaker 4: daily he's been on the ground. In, the courthouse jack

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Speaker 4: good to. See you man give us a little color from.

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Speaker 11: The.

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Speaker 2: Scene, today yeah, Look you know.

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Speaker 12: I'll be blunt i'm kind of hot about what happened in.

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Speaker 12: The court today we did not get what we were

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Speaker 12: told was. Going to happen we did Not Get the,

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Speaker 12: lance twiggs video which was said from the very start,

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Speaker 12: that that's, where in fact the defense was the one

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Speaker 12: that first stipulated it that it was going. To be

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Speaker 12: coming we had kind, of been, expecting i think to,

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Speaker 12: get at least if not, the full video but at

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Speaker 12: least the audio of the Recording, with lands twigs which is,

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Speaker 12: the trans boyfriend and the defense moved, to block this moved,

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Speaker 12: to redact this and the judge instead of he made

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Speaker 12: one ruling and then was about to allow the audio

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Speaker 12: to be played and then very quickly agreed to. Even

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Speaker 12: more redactions and.

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Speaker 8: This of course happened.

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Speaker 12: Right about it so it's around the four o'clock four,

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Speaker 12: o'clock hour local and, they, basically said oh we don't

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Speaker 12: have time, for this now so we're going. To break

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Speaker 12: early and It's something where i'm looking, at, IT going

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Speaker 12: look i, Want justice here but at the same, TIME

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Speaker 12: as that i think transparency is part. Of that justice

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Speaker 12: and having full transparency means having full access.

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Speaker 8: To the evidence and.

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Speaker 12: This individual who was Closer To to tyler robinson than anyone,

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Speaker 12: in terms, of you know leading up, to the shooting

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Speaker 12: it seems to me that his evidence would, Be extremely

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Speaker 12: relevant his testimony would, be extremely relevant not, just this

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Speaker 12: interview but he conducted Another interview in, april this year

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Speaker 12: and the fact that we have been blocked from Seeing

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Speaker 12: That is i'm. I'm just, livid I'M livid AND i am,

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Speaker 12: I would say i'm just speechless that, here we are

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Speaker 12: three days now that we've spent in this courtroom and

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Speaker 12: we're still not getting key. Evidence.

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Speaker 4: Like that, jack you know it's interesting there's taking. SO much,

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Speaker 4: time i mean these they're fighting. Tooth and nail first

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Speaker 4: it was in, the compilation video which. Was extraordinarily damning

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Speaker 4: then they're fighting tooth and Nail On this lance twigs

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Speaker 4: record AN interview. Which i agree how is that not

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Speaker 4: the most relevant thing to establishing the fact that, this

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Speaker 4: guy confessed the fact that he, had a motive and

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Speaker 4: the fact that he had this frankly a gay lover

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Speaker 4: that also contributed, to the motive and he was the closest.

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Speaker 4: Person to him this seems like the most relevant piece

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Speaker 4: of information.

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Speaker 2: At this point that they basically.

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Speaker 6: Said it themselves when the, defense is objecting, they basically

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Speaker 6: say this evidence is going to be so strong that

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Speaker 6: presenting it now will prejudice his right to a fair

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Speaker 6: trial because they will blast it. Out to everyone and

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Speaker 6: basically they're saying everyone will see the evidence published in all,

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Speaker 6: the news Outlets About how tyler robinson confessed, and is

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Speaker 6: guilty and so you just have to save that for

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Speaker 6: the trial or.

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Speaker 2: Will be unfair that's basically what the.

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Speaker 6: Defense, is arguing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and, Just, TO say jack i read somewhere that

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Speaker 4: it's going to be ten million dollars that this could

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Speaker 4: cost upwards of ten million dollars by the End for

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Speaker 4: The state of utah to Defend This, this tyler robinson

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Speaker 4: because it's going to drag out so long, like this.

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Speaker 8: Well and and you know.

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Speaker 12: It's, it's clearly look they've got a very high, Profile

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Speaker 12: Defense lawyer richard Novaken. From southern california he is extremely

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Speaker 12: well known for, his defensive clients and he's extremely well

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Speaker 12: known for this type of litigation where he's able to

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Speaker 12: come into the, courtroom and, bring you know bring up.

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Speaker 12: These constitutional defenses and you're going Up Against These Utah

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Speaker 12: provo utah county attorneys and they don't have anyone from

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Speaker 12: out of. Town coming in, who's you know bringing in,

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Speaker 12: the big guns. So to speak and so when you're

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Speaker 12: looking at when you're looking, at the, CASE you KNOW

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Speaker 12: i guess i would speak to a lot of like

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Speaker 12: THE misinformation that i see out, there as well because, we're,

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Speaker 12: people saying, WELL you know i don't want to hear.

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Speaker 12: THE government narrative i don't trust the government, Because you Know,

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Speaker 12: fauci and. Covid, et, cetera sure fine there's lots of

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Speaker 12: reasons not want to, trust the, government Believe me but

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Speaker 12: i'm not asking to hear. THE government's argument i don't

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Speaker 12: want to hear. That at, ALL IN fact i i

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Speaker 12: want to see what, the evidence IS and then i

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Speaker 12: want to hear the direct testimony of the Person Who knew.

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Speaker 12: Tyler Robinson Best. That's land's twigs that's why they're fighting

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Speaker 12: so hard. To block this and it Seems that though

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01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 12: twigs was given we're told he was given this limited

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Speaker 12: immunity use immunity in the case, for his testimony that

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Speaker 12: he has been cooperative, to a point at least in

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Speaker 12: terms of turning over. His cell phone so.

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Speaker 2: That's how we got, the text messages, that discord. Messages

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 12: And so the idea that we can't, see that evidence

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Speaker 12: and that the public can't, see that evidence it seems

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Speaker 12: to me as flying in the face of the ideals

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Speaker 12: of not just Victim rights For erica and charlie's parents

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Speaker 12: who this has been an incredibly trying. Week for them

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Speaker 12: there's no question having to sit there just Feed Away

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Speaker 12: from tyler robinson and to go through all of this

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Speaker 12: again and this is, Just the start this isn't even the,

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Speaker 12: actual trial yet but then to be told that you

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01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 12: can't even have that evidence to be played, in open

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 12: court it really really creates a situation. That's incredibly frustrating

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Speaker 12: having sat there now, for three days and don't, GET

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Speaker 12: me wrong i think we've seen a, lot of evidence

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 12: but with knowing that there is more evidence out there

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01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 12: that is still being held back creates.

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Speaker 4: A massive Frustration Jack Psoba, human events daily he's been

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Speaker 4: in there being a support to the family and, reporting

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Speaker 4: the facts recording. What he's seen thank, You, SO much jack.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it

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