1 00:00:20,196 --> 00:00:22,276 Speaker 1: Hi friend, I'm so glad you're here today. 2 00:00:22,636 --> 00:00:25,476 Speaker 2: Let's learn how to raise our kids to love God, 3 00:00:25,876 --> 00:00:30,236 Speaker 2: respect authority, and do what's right. Let's scroll less and 4 00:00:30,396 --> 00:00:34,476 Speaker 2: live more. I'm Arlene Pelicane and this is the Happy Home. 5 00:00:37,956 --> 00:00:38,276 Speaker 1: Friends. 6 00:00:38,316 --> 00:00:41,236 Speaker 2: I am so excited to introduce you to a new friend. 7 00:00:41,476 --> 00:00:44,196 Speaker 2: Her name is Jess Wilson Holme, and she is the 8 00:00:44,275 --> 00:00:46,956 Speaker 2: VP of Education and Research at Minno. 9 00:00:47,635 --> 00:00:49,236 Speaker 1: And she is the executive. 10 00:00:48,796 --> 00:00:51,595 Speaker 2: Producer of the Laugh and Grow Bible for Kids, animated 11 00:00:51,635 --> 00:00:52,396 Speaker 2: series for kids. 12 00:00:52,476 --> 00:00:54,916 Speaker 1: She is such a cool mom and I'm so glad 13 00:00:54,956 --> 00:00:57,435 Speaker 1: to have her. Thanks Jess so much for coming on. 14 00:00:58,156 --> 00:01:00,075 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure 15 00:01:00,116 --> 00:01:00,676 Speaker 3: to be here. 16 00:01:01,396 --> 00:01:04,156 Speaker 2: For those who are not familiar, tell us about what 17 00:01:04,356 --> 00:01:07,916 Speaker 2: minno is and what makes it different from YouTube kids, 18 00:01:07,916 --> 00:01:09,796 Speaker 2: which we are very familiar with. 19 00:01:10,236 --> 00:01:15,836 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely so. Minno is a streaming platform for Christian 20 00:01:15,876 --> 00:01:19,836 Speaker 3: kids and families. We like to say that help kids 21 00:01:19,876 --> 00:01:23,875 Speaker 3: and families experience Jesus every day. And we add to 22 00:01:23,956 --> 00:01:26,476 Speaker 3: that on and off the screen because even though we're 23 00:01:26,515 --> 00:01:32,155 Speaker 3: a media company, we really want to balance out our inputs, 24 00:01:32,515 --> 00:01:35,556 Speaker 3: all of our media inputs, right, so we like to 25 00:01:35,556 --> 00:01:38,116 Speaker 3: do that on and off the screen. So our streaming 26 00:01:38,196 --> 00:01:40,955 Speaker 3: video platform, which is like a YouTube kids are in 27 00:01:40,996 --> 00:01:44,476 Speaker 3: Netflix for Christian kids and families. That is one of 28 00:01:44,515 --> 00:01:46,356 Speaker 3: the ways that we do that. But also we have 29 00:01:46,435 --> 00:01:49,276 Speaker 3: books and we have lots of off screen kind of 30 00:01:49,396 --> 00:01:53,475 Speaker 3: activities and things to kind of get kids learning about 31 00:01:53,476 --> 00:01:57,796 Speaker 3: the Bible in every area and every domain, so that 32 00:01:57,836 --> 00:02:00,636 Speaker 3: they're not just on screens all the time, but they 33 00:02:00,716 --> 00:02:03,316 Speaker 3: are learning about the Bible and other ways too. 34 00:02:04,236 --> 00:02:06,076 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're going to get into that a little 35 00:02:06,076 --> 00:02:08,835 Speaker 2: bit more about how to help our kids make wise 36 00:02:08,916 --> 00:02:11,916 Speaker 2: screen choices. So before we go there, I want to 37 00:02:11,956 --> 00:02:15,395 Speaker 2: talk about I'm just coming as we're recording this from VBS, 38 00:02:15,516 --> 00:02:18,356 Speaker 2: you know, Vacation Bible School, and I'm looking at a 39 00:02:18,516 --> 00:02:23,996 Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of kids from preschoolers to sixth graders. 40 00:02:24,596 --> 00:02:27,916 Speaker 2: My character is Arlene Jellybean, which is very fun because 41 00:02:27,956 --> 00:02:28,356 Speaker 2: I can. 42 00:02:28,236 --> 00:02:30,076 Speaker 1: Take a big tail you and I give out. 43 00:02:30,436 --> 00:02:32,675 Speaker 2: I have I hang jelly beans around my neck and 44 00:02:32,716 --> 00:02:34,435 Speaker 2: the kids always ask Arlene jelly Bean, can I have 45 00:02:34,436 --> 00:02:35,916 Speaker 2: a jelly bean? I say, wait at the end of 46 00:02:35,956 --> 00:02:38,436 Speaker 2: the day, you know, and then they get one jelly 47 00:02:38,436 --> 00:02:40,675 Speaker 2: bee and it's so much fun. But I mean, there's 48 00:02:40,675 --> 00:02:43,716 Speaker 2: such a difference from you know, a four year old 49 00:02:43,956 --> 00:02:44,636 Speaker 2: that comes up. 50 00:02:44,555 --> 00:02:46,516 Speaker 1: To me, why do Arlene jellybe? 51 00:02:47,076 --> 00:02:47,636 Speaker 3: Cannot? You know? 52 00:02:47,675 --> 00:02:49,755 Speaker 1: And a sixth grader that's like, hey, can I have one? 53 00:02:49,996 --> 00:02:50,196 Speaker 3: You know? 54 00:02:50,356 --> 00:02:55,756 Speaker 1: Yeah, talk us through those ages and just what. 55 00:02:55,756 --> 00:02:58,035 Speaker 2: Is it what's good for us as parents to note 56 00:02:58,115 --> 00:02:59,835 Speaker 2: that's different about these different stages. 57 00:03:00,276 --> 00:03:03,076 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something that we have spent a lot of 58 00:03:03,276 --> 00:03:07,956 Speaker 3: time researching here at MINNO because something that we realized 59 00:03:08,196 --> 00:03:11,995 Speaker 3: is that in a lot of kids Christian media, more 60 00:03:12,036 --> 00:03:14,916 Speaker 3: and more is being created, which is a blessing in 61 00:03:14,956 --> 00:03:17,956 Speaker 3: a lot of ways because there's a lot more positive 62 00:03:19,156 --> 00:03:21,516 Speaker 3: choices out there, which we'll talk about in a minute. 63 00:03:21,555 --> 00:03:25,555 Speaker 3: But we realized that a lot of times we weren't 64 00:03:25,636 --> 00:03:28,196 Speaker 3: looking at the different ages and stages, and so we 65 00:03:28,196 --> 00:03:30,276 Speaker 3: were trying to teach a four year old about the 66 00:03:30,276 --> 00:03:32,516 Speaker 3: Bible the same way that we're trying to teach a 67 00:03:32,555 --> 00:03:35,796 Speaker 3: twelve year old, and as you just said, they are vastly, 68 00:03:35,876 --> 00:03:41,676 Speaker 3: vastly different. So we dug into child development and attachment 69 00:03:41,756 --> 00:03:46,156 Speaker 3: theory and a lot of different ways to look at 70 00:03:46,316 --> 00:03:50,396 Speaker 3: how a kid develops. A child develops, and so you know, 71 00:03:50,516 --> 00:03:55,956 Speaker 3: for the for the preschooler, for the the even early 72 00:03:56,036 --> 00:04:00,876 Speaker 3: elementary school, age. You know, kids are the world is 73 00:04:00,956 --> 00:04:03,996 Speaker 3: so wide open to them, right, they are just soaking 74 00:04:04,116 --> 00:04:08,476 Speaker 3: in everything. We like to say, the ordinary is extraordinary 75 00:04:08,596 --> 00:04:14,156 Speaker 3: to a preschooler, so that that jellybean is like so exciting, 76 00:04:14,756 --> 00:04:17,036 Speaker 3: right because they don't get a lot of sugar, or 77 00:04:17,076 --> 00:04:21,276 Speaker 3: maybe they do, but they still love jellybean and it's everything, right, 78 00:04:21,396 --> 00:04:24,316 Speaker 3: So we like to look at it that way when 79 00:04:24,316 --> 00:04:27,116 Speaker 3: we're teaching them about the Bible as well. And then 80 00:04:27,156 --> 00:04:29,716 Speaker 3: when you get to the older kids, they are a 81 00:04:29,756 --> 00:04:32,356 Speaker 3: little bit more reserved, as you were saying, and so 82 00:04:32,476 --> 00:04:37,956 Speaker 3: they're a little bit more apprehensive or you know, just 83 00:04:38,755 --> 00:04:42,236 Speaker 3: they're curious for sure. Kids that are older, right, they're 84 00:04:42,276 --> 00:04:45,476 Speaker 3: asking a lot of questions, but they don't want you 85 00:04:45,556 --> 00:04:48,356 Speaker 3: to know they're asking questions a lot of times, right, 86 00:04:48,476 --> 00:04:52,036 Speaker 3: they just want to be, you know, too cool. And 87 00:04:52,156 --> 00:04:55,516 Speaker 3: so we have just looked at these different areas and 88 00:04:57,276 --> 00:05:00,315 Speaker 3: really looked at how we can then use that to 89 00:05:00,356 --> 00:05:03,556 Speaker 3: inform how we teach the Bible. And you know, something 90 00:05:03,596 --> 00:05:06,756 Speaker 3: we talk about is what's called the four to fourteen window, 91 00:05:07,436 --> 00:05:10,476 Speaker 3: and that is that between the ages of four and fourteen, 92 00:05:11,636 --> 00:05:17,676 Speaker 3: a child's worldview is formed. And I think the the 93 00:05:18,396 --> 00:05:22,236 Speaker 3: statistic is that sixty percent or maybe it's seventy percent 94 00:05:22,836 --> 00:05:26,796 Speaker 3: of believers come to know Jesus before the age of fourteen, 95 00:05:27,396 --> 00:05:30,676 Speaker 3: and so we know that this is such an important time, 96 00:05:31,156 --> 00:05:33,956 Speaker 3: and because it's such an important time, we have got 97 00:05:33,996 --> 00:05:36,796 Speaker 3: to be intentional about how we reach them at every 98 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:41,916 Speaker 3: agent stage. And so this determines the type of language 99 00:05:41,916 --> 00:05:44,955 Speaker 3: we use with a four year old versus a fourteen 100 00:05:45,036 --> 00:05:50,756 Speaker 3: year old. It comes out in the way that we 101 00:05:50,836 --> 00:05:55,515 Speaker 3: maybe pause and explain something more. You know, little kids 102 00:05:55,516 --> 00:06:01,116 Speaker 3: are asking questions as well right and there, because everything 103 00:06:01,356 --> 00:06:04,956 Speaker 3: is novel to them. Everything they experience is novel. Going 104 00:06:04,956 --> 00:06:07,636 Speaker 3: to the grocery store, going to church of course, going 105 00:06:07,676 --> 00:06:09,876 Speaker 3: to school for the first time. All these things are novel. 106 00:06:10,276 --> 00:06:13,796 Speaker 3: They are asking questions, but what they really want are 107 00:06:13,836 --> 00:06:18,395 Speaker 3: predictable routines. And that's why when they are young, it 108 00:06:18,476 --> 00:06:21,436 Speaker 3: is so important, if you were talking about faith, formation 109 00:06:21,676 --> 00:06:25,716 Speaker 3: and parenting, for things to be done in a predictable manner. 110 00:06:25,956 --> 00:06:28,436 Speaker 3: So that's why we have boundaries for kids that are 111 00:06:29,036 --> 00:06:31,316 Speaker 3: well all kids of all ages, but maybe they're a 112 00:06:31,315 --> 00:06:34,996 Speaker 3: little tighter boundaries when they're younger because they need that predictability. 113 00:06:35,036 --> 00:06:38,195 Speaker 3: They need to know what's expected. And then when you're 114 00:06:38,195 --> 00:06:42,116 Speaker 3: teaching them the Bible. You know, they need repetition, and 115 00:06:42,156 --> 00:06:44,996 Speaker 3: they need rhythms, and they need to you know, pray 116 00:06:45,076 --> 00:06:47,635 Speaker 3: at dinner time and bedtime. And it might seem like 117 00:06:47,716 --> 00:06:50,836 Speaker 3: that doesn't matter and that that's such a small thing, 118 00:06:51,476 --> 00:06:56,796 Speaker 3: but those predictable routines are really instilling in them an 119 00:06:56,876 --> 00:07:00,556 Speaker 3: understanding of what it means to walk with Jesus. 120 00:07:00,596 --> 00:07:05,155 Speaker 2: Yes and being yeah, don't go ahead. So that predictability, 121 00:07:05,195 --> 00:07:07,156 Speaker 2: that regularness, that that is. 122 00:07:07,236 --> 00:07:07,436 Speaker 3: Yeah. 123 00:07:08,156 --> 00:07:11,076 Speaker 2: I think of someone who's watching a show like Veggietails, right, 124 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:14,516 Speaker 2: how would then the parent come alongside of something that 125 00:07:14,556 --> 00:07:16,996 Speaker 2: they've watched and maybe bring it up. What would that 126 00:07:17,116 --> 00:07:19,836 Speaker 2: sound like or feeling? You know, a lot of times 127 00:07:19,836 --> 00:07:21,276 Speaker 2: we just watched the show and then we move on 128 00:07:21,436 --> 00:07:22,436 Speaker 2: with our lives. 129 00:07:23,476 --> 00:07:26,836 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I think we don't think we have 130 00:07:26,916 --> 00:07:30,316 Speaker 3: to model question asking for young kids because they ask 131 00:07:30,396 --> 00:07:33,476 Speaker 3: so many questions, but they're asking why, how, what do 132 00:07:33,516 --> 00:07:37,316 Speaker 3: you you know? And I think when we model thoughtful 133 00:07:37,396 --> 00:07:40,356 Speaker 3: questions for them, so when we say to them, hey, 134 00:07:40,436 --> 00:07:43,276 Speaker 3: why do you think that Bob and Leary did that? 135 00:07:43,556 --> 00:07:45,756 Speaker 3: Or what do you think they meant when they said 136 00:07:46,436 --> 00:07:50,155 Speaker 3: and those questions seem really big for a young child, 137 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:53,556 Speaker 3: but it gets them thinking, and even if they stumble 138 00:07:53,676 --> 00:07:57,236 Speaker 3: over an answer, it gets the conversation going. And you 139 00:07:57,316 --> 00:07:59,276 Speaker 3: may end up being the one to answer the question 140 00:07:59,356 --> 00:08:02,316 Speaker 3: that you asked them, but you've modeled for them that 141 00:08:02,396 --> 00:08:05,836 Speaker 3: it's okay to ask questions. And that's especially important when 142 00:08:05,876 --> 00:08:08,756 Speaker 3: you are interacting with Bible stories because they need to 143 00:08:08,796 --> 00:08:11,876 Speaker 3: know it's okay to ask questions about this. You don't 144 00:08:11,916 --> 00:08:14,916 Speaker 3: just have to take it. Of course, we want them 145 00:08:14,916 --> 00:08:18,156 Speaker 3: to just take it, accept it, it's truth, go live 146 00:08:18,276 --> 00:08:21,796 Speaker 3: like it. But they're human beings that are going to 147 00:08:21,916 --> 00:08:24,276 Speaker 3: break it down and they're going to have to say, okay, 148 00:08:24,356 --> 00:08:26,716 Speaker 3: wait a second, why is that true? Why does God 149 00:08:26,796 --> 00:08:28,556 Speaker 3: say that? Or why did Jesus say that? And so 150 00:08:29,676 --> 00:08:33,836 Speaker 3: modeling questions is so important for young people, and then 151 00:08:33,876 --> 00:08:35,876 Speaker 3: they're naturally going to do it when they're older, but 152 00:08:35,996 --> 00:08:38,476 Speaker 3: like we said earlier, they're probably going to be more reserved. 153 00:08:38,476 --> 00:08:40,196 Speaker 3: They're like, I don't want you to know that I 154 00:08:40,276 --> 00:08:42,116 Speaker 3: want to know, but I really do want to know. 155 00:08:42,916 --> 00:08:45,396 Speaker 2: How do have those conversations with teenagers because I know 156 00:08:45,476 --> 00:08:47,236 Speaker 2: with my teens, like if we see something and then 157 00:08:47,236 --> 00:08:50,196 Speaker 2: they go, oh, here comes the mom question, what did 158 00:08:50,236 --> 00:08:50,716 Speaker 2: you you know? 159 00:08:50,756 --> 00:08:52,396 Speaker 1: And then I'll put like the moral in it, and 160 00:08:52,436 --> 00:08:54,476 Speaker 1: they'll know like, oh, Mom is going to put the 161 00:08:54,516 --> 00:08:55,796 Speaker 1: moral in it now, right. 162 00:08:57,196 --> 00:08:58,196 Speaker 2: We just keep doing that. 163 00:08:58,316 --> 00:09:00,916 Speaker 3: What do we do? We well, we do just keep 164 00:09:00,956 --> 00:09:03,836 Speaker 3: doing it. I minor teens as well, and so I 165 00:09:03,916 --> 00:09:07,036 Speaker 3: totally understand that. I live that every day. And the 166 00:09:07,076 --> 00:09:09,676 Speaker 3: thing that I really try to do and encourage parents 167 00:09:09,996 --> 00:09:13,796 Speaker 3: is try to make it as as a natural a 168 00:09:13,836 --> 00:09:17,356 Speaker 3: part of the conversation as possible, Like it can't feel 169 00:09:17,356 --> 00:09:19,716 Speaker 3: like a quiz, like, hey, we just just a Bible story. 170 00:09:19,796 --> 00:09:23,636 Speaker 3: Let me quiz you and see if you understood it. Instead, 171 00:09:23,836 --> 00:09:26,596 Speaker 3: I really really try even and this is hard. Let 172 00:09:26,596 --> 00:09:28,916 Speaker 3: me tell you. When you're busy and you've got so 173 00:09:29,036 --> 00:09:32,236 Speaker 3: many plates spinning, it's hard to do this. But I 174 00:09:32,276 --> 00:09:34,356 Speaker 3: try to file it away. And I asked the Holy 175 00:09:34,396 --> 00:09:37,556 Speaker 3: Spirit to help me do this. But hey, God, the 176 00:09:37,636 --> 00:09:41,596 Speaker 3: next time a conversation comes up about a friend, help 177 00:09:41,676 --> 00:09:45,716 Speaker 3: me prompt me, Holy Spirit to remember this show we watched, 178 00:09:45,756 --> 00:09:48,356 Speaker 3: this Bible story we studied, so that I can connect 179 00:09:48,356 --> 00:09:51,396 Speaker 3: the dots for them. And that is not easy, But 180 00:09:51,516 --> 00:09:53,876 Speaker 3: I do believe it's a skill that we can develop 181 00:09:53,876 --> 00:09:56,956 Speaker 3: as parents with the help of the Holy Spirit, because 182 00:09:57,076 --> 00:09:58,556 Speaker 3: we can't do any of it on our own. 183 00:09:59,356 --> 00:10:02,196 Speaker 2: I have found, like after church, my kids are sixteen, 184 00:10:02,276 --> 00:10:05,236 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty one. We're in a unique season this summer 185 00:10:05,236 --> 00:10:07,356 Speaker 2: where everyone is home, you know, from college, et cetera. 186 00:10:07,476 --> 00:10:09,556 Speaker 2: So we're in the car on the way home from church, 187 00:10:09,596 --> 00:10:12,036 Speaker 2: and we will my husband, you know, not always, but 188 00:10:12,076 --> 00:10:13,916 Speaker 2: sometimes we'll just ask you, like, what did you think 189 00:10:13,956 --> 00:10:15,836 Speaker 2: of the sermon? Or what stood out to you in 190 00:10:15,836 --> 00:10:19,436 Speaker 2: the sermon? And that's it, and it is it's you know, they. 191 00:10:19,316 --> 00:10:21,076 Speaker 1: Know it's coming and they know we want to talk 192 00:10:21,076 --> 00:10:21,836 Speaker 1: about those snakes. 193 00:10:22,036 --> 00:10:24,676 Speaker 2: But it's simple enough that I think it works. So 194 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:27,396 Speaker 2: maybe just starting just ask one question. It doesn't have 195 00:10:27,516 --> 00:10:30,476 Speaker 2: to be the super long thing, but just starting to 196 00:10:30,516 --> 00:10:32,996 Speaker 2: have these conversations is really helpful. I want to go 197 00:10:33,076 --> 00:10:36,876 Speaker 2: back to the four to fourteen window, because that's profound, 198 00:10:37,556 --> 00:10:41,476 Speaker 2: like to realize I have ten years, you know, shoulder 199 00:10:41,516 --> 00:10:44,756 Speaker 2: to shoulder, face to face, you know, with this beloved 200 00:10:44,836 --> 00:10:47,156 Speaker 2: child of mine, to do the best I can to 201 00:10:47,316 --> 00:10:50,436 Speaker 2: as I go Deuteronomy six, teach my kids and press 202 00:10:50,556 --> 00:10:53,436 Speaker 2: my kids the word of God. And obviously the screen 203 00:10:53,476 --> 00:10:57,276 Speaker 2: in their hands can be a huge you know, temptation 204 00:10:57,596 --> 00:11:00,396 Speaker 2: and distraction. And here at the Happy Home podcast, we 205 00:11:00,436 --> 00:11:04,676 Speaker 2: talk about delaying those phones as long as possible, mind 206 00:11:04,716 --> 00:11:06,436 Speaker 2: staying all the way all the way through high school. 207 00:11:06,436 --> 00:11:08,676 Speaker 1: So we've so we talk about that. 208 00:11:09,276 --> 00:11:12,196 Speaker 2: Why is it so important in that faith formation for 209 00:11:12,436 --> 00:11:16,596 Speaker 2: us as parents to get our media under control? What 210 00:11:16,756 --> 00:11:19,556 Speaker 2: have you seen in you know the we work with 211 00:11:19,636 --> 00:11:20,276 Speaker 2: and yourself? 212 00:11:20,836 --> 00:11:25,876 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I like to say that kids need to 213 00:11:25,956 --> 00:11:29,396 Speaker 3: see us care about the things that they care about. 214 00:11:29,636 --> 00:11:33,196 Speaker 3: And so every time and listen, I am I have 215 00:11:33,316 --> 00:11:36,276 Speaker 3: done this. This is a struggle for all of us. 216 00:11:36,796 --> 00:11:39,316 Speaker 3: So I, by no means have this under control. Mine 217 00:11:39,356 --> 00:11:43,996 Speaker 3: are eighteen and fourteen, and I want to say something 218 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:46,156 Speaker 3: in a minute about the four to fourteen window having 219 00:11:46,156 --> 00:11:50,516 Speaker 3: a fourteen year old, But I will say I always 220 00:11:50,516 --> 00:11:53,916 Speaker 3: say that it is important for kids to know that 221 00:11:53,956 --> 00:11:55,916 Speaker 3: we care about what they care about. And so every 222 00:11:55,956 --> 00:11:58,876 Speaker 3: time they look at us and we're on our screens 223 00:11:59,276 --> 00:12:04,316 Speaker 3: instead of focusing on them, then tell that sends a 224 00:12:04,356 --> 00:12:06,796 Speaker 3: message that that screen is more important than me. 225 00:12:08,076 --> 00:12:10,516 Speaker 2: They and they can think, I want to care what 226 00:12:10,556 --> 00:12:11,676 Speaker 2: my parent cares about. 227 00:12:11,916 --> 00:12:14,156 Speaker 1: Right, Apparently my parent really cares about that thing. 228 00:12:14,636 --> 00:12:17,916 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's important to them. If it's important to them, 229 00:12:17,956 --> 00:12:19,956 Speaker 3: it can be important to be right, and you know, 230 00:12:19,996 --> 00:12:21,556 Speaker 3: there are times when you have to be on your phone. 231 00:12:21,756 --> 00:12:23,716 Speaker 3: You know, I will be in front of a screen. 232 00:12:23,756 --> 00:12:25,916 Speaker 3: I work from home some days, and so they come 233 00:12:25,956 --> 00:12:28,756 Speaker 3: through and I'm working, and so they need to understand 234 00:12:28,836 --> 00:12:32,076 Speaker 3: those boundaries. And I had a friend once say, narrate, 235 00:12:32,356 --> 00:12:36,116 Speaker 3: narrate your phone usage. Hey, I'm just I'm replying to 236 00:12:36,116 --> 00:12:38,516 Speaker 3: an email for work, or I have to schedule this meeting. 237 00:12:38,676 --> 00:12:40,476 Speaker 3: Just give me one second and then you're going to 238 00:12:40,516 --> 00:12:44,596 Speaker 3: get my full attention. And narrating that screen use. 239 00:12:45,076 --> 00:12:45,996 Speaker 1: It helps. 240 00:12:46,316 --> 00:12:49,036 Speaker 3: Now, it doesn't completely handle it. We still have to 241 00:12:49,116 --> 00:12:51,316 Speaker 3: really keep it under control. And we have to have 242 00:12:51,356 --> 00:12:54,196 Speaker 3: our own boundaries, especially if we want our kids to 243 00:12:54,236 --> 00:12:57,356 Speaker 3: have boundaries, and we need to talk about those things 244 00:12:57,436 --> 00:13:00,396 Speaker 3: when we screw up, when we've been too focused on 245 00:13:00,436 --> 00:13:02,596 Speaker 3: the phone. You know, we need to be honest with 246 00:13:02,636 --> 00:13:05,476 Speaker 3: them because when we do send them out into the 247 00:13:05,516 --> 00:13:08,356 Speaker 3: world into adulthood or whenever it is that they do 248 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:11,156 Speaker 3: get screens, they need to understand. You're not going to 249 00:13:11,196 --> 00:13:14,476 Speaker 3: do it perfectly, but you know, but here's some things 250 00:13:14,516 --> 00:13:17,036 Speaker 3: that we've put into practice to help with those boundaries. 251 00:13:17,636 --> 00:13:20,436 Speaker 2: And I really think it likes narration piece very much. 252 00:13:21,116 --> 00:13:23,516 Speaker 2: Then you can realize like, oh, I didn't narrate that 253 00:13:23,596 --> 00:13:25,116 Speaker 2: I was going to be like looking at. 254 00:13:24,996 --> 00:13:27,676 Speaker 1: These sports scorers or these stock presses or these shoes, 255 00:13:27,836 --> 00:13:30,156 Speaker 1: like I did narrate about that, So why have I 256 00:13:30,276 --> 00:13:31,516 Speaker 1: drifted to this place? 257 00:13:32,196 --> 00:13:34,956 Speaker 3: Exactly? It is a little bit of accountability for you, 258 00:13:35,276 --> 00:13:37,436 Speaker 3: and then you can invite them in, right. I mean, 259 00:13:37,556 --> 00:13:40,516 Speaker 3: my son plays tennis. He loves tennis. If we see 260 00:13:40,556 --> 00:13:43,316 Speaker 3: a funny meme or a tenant, like a little clip 261 00:13:43,316 --> 00:13:45,636 Speaker 3: of a tennis match, you know we share that together. 262 00:13:46,036 --> 00:13:49,196 Speaker 3: You can definitely interact because back to when you care 263 00:13:49,236 --> 00:13:52,036 Speaker 3: about what your kids care about, they're going to care 264 00:13:52,036 --> 00:13:54,276 Speaker 3: about what you care about. So if I want my 265 00:13:54,436 --> 00:13:58,596 Speaker 3: kids to understand Jesus is the most important thing to me. 266 00:13:58,756 --> 00:14:00,636 Speaker 3: I care about him so much, and all I want 267 00:14:00,716 --> 00:14:03,596 Speaker 3: is for you to have a relationship with him, they're 268 00:14:03,636 --> 00:14:08,236 Speaker 3: going to be more open to that if they understand 269 00:14:08,676 --> 00:14:10,676 Speaker 3: I also care about what you care about. Now that 270 00:14:10,796 --> 00:14:14,156 Speaker 3: seems weird because Jesus is more important than tennis, but 271 00:14:14,236 --> 00:14:16,996 Speaker 3: in a fourteen year old's mind he may not be yet, 272 00:14:17,436 --> 00:14:19,276 Speaker 3: and my goal is to make you this is more 273 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:22,876 Speaker 3: important than tennis. And so it's just a little bit 274 00:14:22,916 --> 00:14:28,276 Speaker 3: of the exchange that really helps as they're growing. But 275 00:14:28,316 --> 00:14:30,516 Speaker 3: I did want to say about the four to fourteen 276 00:14:30,556 --> 00:14:32,796 Speaker 3: window because I have a fourteen year old and it 277 00:14:32,836 --> 00:14:35,156 Speaker 3: could be very easy to feel like, well, I missed it. 278 00:14:35,236 --> 00:14:39,196 Speaker 3: I missed the window. The window is closed, and that 279 00:14:39,316 --> 00:14:42,956 Speaker 3: is not true. That is not true. Of course, it's 280 00:14:43,036 --> 00:14:49,276 Speaker 3: a statistic. It is an average. My son is fourteen 281 00:14:49,436 --> 00:14:51,516 Speaker 3: and he just went to church camp for the first 282 00:14:51,516 --> 00:14:57,316 Speaker 3: time and had this wonderful encounter with God, and he 283 00:14:57,396 --> 00:15:00,436 Speaker 3: just wasn't he wasn't open to it before then. He was, 284 00:15:00,916 --> 00:15:04,276 Speaker 3: you know, just socially anxious, just a little scared to 285 00:15:04,316 --> 00:15:06,836 Speaker 3: interact with the kids at youth group. And so in 286 00:15:06,876 --> 00:15:10,596 Speaker 3: God's timing, right, it's all in God's timing. That statistic 287 00:15:10,716 --> 00:15:13,836 Speaker 3: is meant to show us that that is a key 288 00:15:14,596 --> 00:15:19,556 Speaker 3: formative season from four to fourteen, when you know, when 289 00:15:19,556 --> 00:15:23,996 Speaker 3: they're super young, their neural pathways are growing, and everything 290 00:15:24,036 --> 00:15:27,596 Speaker 3: we do forms their future view of God. The way 291 00:15:27,676 --> 00:15:30,516 Speaker 3: we talk about him, the way that they feel at church, 292 00:15:30,636 --> 00:15:33,156 Speaker 3: all those things form their early view of God as 293 00:15:33,196 --> 00:15:36,796 Speaker 3: their brain is still forming. And then as they go 294 00:15:36,836 --> 00:15:39,196 Speaker 3: through their moral development, as they get older and go 295 00:15:39,236 --> 00:15:42,036 Speaker 3: through puberty and all that, it is very very formative 296 00:15:42,116 --> 00:15:44,556 Speaker 3: and we can be very intentional. But just because your 297 00:15:44,636 --> 00:15:48,076 Speaker 3: kids may not be going as deep as you'd like 298 00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:50,276 Speaker 3: them to be during that time does not mean that 299 00:15:50,316 --> 00:15:54,436 Speaker 3: you've missed the window. So it's important to say it. 300 00:15:54,276 --> 00:15:56,956 Speaker 2: Is well if someone's listening and they say, Okay, I 301 00:15:57,036 --> 00:15:57,636 Speaker 2: have more hope. 302 00:15:57,636 --> 00:16:01,876 Speaker 1: Now, it's not over for my fourteen fifteen, sixty seventier. 303 00:16:01,956 --> 00:16:04,756 Speaker 2: Let's say we haven't really been talking about the Bible much, 304 00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:07,956 Speaker 2: we haven't really been watching shows that show, you know, 305 00:16:08,036 --> 00:16:10,276 Speaker 2: moral values that I really agree with. 306 00:16:10,796 --> 00:16:12,116 Speaker 1: How would that parent? 307 00:16:12,196 --> 00:16:12,436 Speaker 3: Then? 308 00:16:12,916 --> 00:16:14,996 Speaker 1: What's like something like a first step they could they 309 00:16:14,996 --> 00:16:15,436 Speaker 1: could take? 310 00:16:16,036 --> 00:16:21,316 Speaker 3: Yeah? Start small? And I know that sounds so cliche, 311 00:16:21,396 --> 00:16:25,116 Speaker 3: but I think because faith and our faith, if your 312 00:16:25,236 --> 00:16:29,156 Speaker 3: believer is so big to us and is so important 313 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:32,116 Speaker 3: to us, we think big. It has to be big. 314 00:16:32,156 --> 00:16:34,916 Speaker 3: We have to you know, sit with the Bible for 315 00:16:34,956 --> 00:16:38,076 Speaker 3: an hour as a family every night or even once 316 00:16:38,076 --> 00:16:40,436 Speaker 3: a week, and it's just not probably going to happen, 317 00:16:41,276 --> 00:16:44,956 Speaker 3: And so start small and make it habits, because I 318 00:16:45,036 --> 00:16:49,076 Speaker 3: think that if you, if you study the Bible together, 319 00:16:49,196 --> 00:16:52,236 Speaker 3: even for ten minutes a week, when you multiply that 320 00:16:52,396 --> 00:16:56,636 Speaker 3: times eighteen years, that is a huge investment in your 321 00:16:56,756 --> 00:16:59,836 Speaker 3: child's faith formation. If you try to do it for 322 00:16:59,876 --> 00:17:02,956 Speaker 3: an hour once a week and you do it occasionally, 323 00:17:03,556 --> 00:17:06,236 Speaker 3: it's not even going to add up. And so it's 324 00:17:06,276 --> 00:17:10,076 Speaker 3: just simple math. Right, we'll call that faith math faith math. 325 00:17:10,196 --> 00:17:11,756 Speaker 3: I love it faith as much. 326 00:17:11,796 --> 00:17:12,676 Speaker 1: When God is in it. 327 00:17:12,876 --> 00:17:18,315 Speaker 3: That is exactly exactly, and He will multiply it. And 328 00:17:18,316 --> 00:17:22,235 Speaker 3: you're planning, and so start small and be okay, starting small. 329 00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:26,555 Speaker 3: It's never too late. And then the other thing I 330 00:17:26,636 --> 00:17:29,556 Speaker 3: like to tell parents is you're growing together. Deuteronomy six 331 00:17:29,755 --> 00:17:33,436 Speaker 3: was about being together. It was about learning together. That's 332 00:17:33,515 --> 00:17:36,916 Speaker 3: part of my faith story that I always share is 333 00:17:36,955 --> 00:17:40,275 Speaker 3: that my parents came to know the Lord right before 334 00:17:40,275 --> 00:17:43,196 Speaker 3: they got married. They had kids right away, and so 335 00:17:43,475 --> 00:17:47,275 Speaker 3: we grew up in our faith right alongside them. And 336 00:17:47,316 --> 00:17:49,755 Speaker 3: it was messy, and they were learning what does it 337 00:17:49,796 --> 00:17:51,955 Speaker 3: mean to follow Jesus while they were teaching us what 338 00:17:51,995 --> 00:17:55,796 Speaker 3: it means to follow Jesus. And that authenticity I think 339 00:17:56,076 --> 00:18:01,196 Speaker 3: played a large part in why I am still walking 340 00:18:01,235 --> 00:18:01,995 Speaker 3: with that. 341 00:18:02,836 --> 00:18:04,555 Speaker 1: Yeah it's beautiful, right, it's so. 342 00:18:04,876 --> 00:18:05,036 Speaker 3: Yeah. 343 00:18:05,116 --> 00:18:08,596 Speaker 2: It is like those people who if you've been a 344 00:18:08,676 --> 00:18:10,955 Speaker 2: Christian a long time, then it's like, oh, Lord, bring 345 00:18:10,955 --> 00:18:14,156 Speaker 2: you back to that fervor and h and just sincerity 346 00:18:14,275 --> 00:18:16,715 Speaker 2: of my first love. And then if you're a newer Christian, 347 00:18:16,796 --> 00:18:20,356 Speaker 2: don't feel it all like I can't do this. It's like, no, 348 00:18:20,556 --> 00:18:21,476 Speaker 2: you can do this. 349 00:18:21,676 --> 00:18:22,316 Speaker 1: Just bring your. 350 00:18:22,316 --> 00:18:25,916 Speaker 2: Child right alongside of you to keep learning more about 351 00:18:25,995 --> 00:18:27,595 Speaker 2: Jesus every day, a little bit more, and that's going 352 00:18:27,676 --> 00:18:31,995 Speaker 2: to do it. Let's talk about wise media choices, because 353 00:18:32,035 --> 00:18:36,196 Speaker 2: let's say the parent right they're looking at YouTube their 354 00:18:36,275 --> 00:18:37,955 Speaker 2: kids ask them to go to a certain movie with 355 00:18:37,995 --> 00:18:39,955 Speaker 2: their friends, and they don't know should we do this? 356 00:18:40,316 --> 00:18:43,756 Speaker 1: Should we not do this? Help us how can we evaluate? 357 00:18:45,275 --> 00:18:47,595 Speaker 2: And let's talk about we kind of know like, okay, 358 00:18:47,596 --> 00:18:50,116 Speaker 2: we can tell that's good, but then we go to 359 00:18:50,196 --> 00:18:51,276 Speaker 2: the opposite. 360 00:18:50,836 --> 00:18:55,075 Speaker 1: Line like how bad can we get and it still 361 00:18:55,076 --> 00:18:55,635 Speaker 1: be okay. 362 00:18:55,955 --> 00:18:58,836 Speaker 2: So they help us think through how we make these 363 00:18:58,876 --> 00:18:59,755 Speaker 2: media choices. 364 00:19:00,396 --> 00:19:03,635 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it's definitely different for every family, 365 00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:04,235 Speaker 3: every child. 366 00:19:04,836 --> 00:19:06,676 Speaker 1: And let's start with little kids. Let's start with little 367 00:19:06,755 --> 00:19:07,596 Speaker 1: kids and we'll move up. 368 00:19:08,076 --> 00:19:12,156 Speaker 3: Okay, so you know, for little kids, some little kids 369 00:19:13,076 --> 00:19:15,796 Speaker 3: can handle more than others. And that's not to say 370 00:19:15,796 --> 00:19:18,756 Speaker 3: that you should put hard things in front of little kids, 371 00:19:18,995 --> 00:19:23,076 Speaker 3: but I'd say that because, uh, you know, there's hard 372 00:19:23,076 --> 00:19:27,315 Speaker 3: things in Bible stories. And so for instance, you take 373 00:19:27,796 --> 00:19:30,076 Speaker 3: your you want to take your entire family to see 374 00:19:30,076 --> 00:19:32,556 Speaker 3: the David film, that David animated film that came out, 375 00:19:33,836 --> 00:19:36,116 Speaker 3: and there are some hard things in there. 376 00:19:36,235 --> 00:19:40,116 Speaker 2: You know, you're a little bid would be afraid, right, yes, 377 00:19:40,396 --> 00:19:42,995 Speaker 2: Abalai afraid. 378 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:46,076 Speaker 3: The Amalekites were scary. They did a good job with them. 379 00:19:46,836 --> 00:19:49,555 Speaker 3: But for a small child, some I could see a 380 00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:51,715 Speaker 3: four some four or five year olds have no problem 381 00:19:51,755 --> 00:19:53,755 Speaker 3: with that, and I could see some that would be 382 00:19:53,796 --> 00:19:56,795 Speaker 3: super sensitive. And so the very first thing is to 383 00:19:56,876 --> 00:19:59,755 Speaker 3: know your child and to know what they can handle, 384 00:19:59,796 --> 00:20:02,316 Speaker 3: and to do your research. There's lots of uh, there's 385 00:20:02,396 --> 00:20:04,755 Speaker 3: lots of resources out there to help you with movie 386 00:20:04,836 --> 00:20:09,316 Speaker 3: reviews and show reviews and things like that, because it 387 00:20:09,356 --> 00:20:12,075 Speaker 3: is it is not one size fits all for kids. 388 00:20:12,715 --> 00:20:17,516 Speaker 3: But for the littlest kids, you know, there's and there's 389 00:20:17,556 --> 00:20:23,196 Speaker 3: different types of media, like there is slow and gentle 390 00:20:23,436 --> 00:20:26,916 Speaker 3: media and so on. Minno, we have some specific shows 391 00:20:26,955 --> 00:20:31,556 Speaker 3: designated slow and gentle because you might need an afternoon, 392 00:20:32,316 --> 00:20:35,076 Speaker 3: you know, slow time if mom just has to get 393 00:20:35,156 --> 00:20:38,036 Speaker 3: a little work done, or get the dishes done, or 394 00:20:38,116 --> 00:20:40,715 Speaker 3: the laundry done, or take a shower, and she needs 395 00:20:40,796 --> 00:20:44,316 Speaker 3: thirty minutes. You know, there she might want slow and gentle. 396 00:20:45,116 --> 00:20:47,876 Speaker 3: You might be doing a family movie night and you 397 00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:50,475 Speaker 3: might want something a little more exciting and adventurous. And 398 00:20:50,556 --> 00:20:53,676 Speaker 3: so I think for the littlest kids, you know, there's 399 00:20:53,715 --> 00:20:58,275 Speaker 3: different categories that might be appropriate for different situations. 400 00:20:58,515 --> 00:21:01,156 Speaker 2: I love that that you have these categories at Minnow, 401 00:21:01,275 --> 00:21:03,075 Speaker 2: that you could be like, Okay, I don't want my 402 00:21:03,156 --> 00:21:07,115 Speaker 2: kid going crazy. I want something calming but interesting, and 403 00:21:07,196 --> 00:21:09,555 Speaker 2: I can see that's amazing. 404 00:21:09,196 --> 00:21:13,116 Speaker 3: Yes, And then you know, if it's if it's learning, 405 00:21:13,316 --> 00:21:16,595 Speaker 3: you know, we also have learning categories and so and 406 00:21:16,636 --> 00:21:19,955 Speaker 3: of course on Minnow we have vetted everything that's on there, 407 00:21:20,035 --> 00:21:22,636 Speaker 3: and so you can trust that, you know, we vetit 408 00:21:22,676 --> 00:21:25,116 Speaker 3: it because there are some mainstream learning shows out there 409 00:21:25,156 --> 00:21:28,155 Speaker 3: that just aren't appropriate for kids these days, and so 410 00:21:28,636 --> 00:21:32,555 Speaker 3: we've picked a few that we know share our views. 411 00:21:32,755 --> 00:21:35,315 Speaker 2: What would be like the characteristics, not naming any shows, 412 00:21:35,356 --> 00:21:37,995 Speaker 2: but just characteristics that you would say, oh, that's the 413 00:21:38,035 --> 00:21:39,355 Speaker 2: show we probably should avoid. 414 00:21:39,676 --> 00:21:41,036 Speaker 1: What should parents be looking for. 415 00:21:41,275 --> 00:21:43,676 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, even at a very young age, there 416 00:21:43,676 --> 00:21:46,916 Speaker 3: are shows that have kids that are a little more 417 00:21:46,916 --> 00:21:50,196 Speaker 3: snarky characters. We try to really stay away from that 418 00:21:50,676 --> 00:21:55,396 Speaker 3: because kids are going to be snarky. We understand that. 419 00:21:54,515 --> 00:21:55,715 Speaker 1: But you don't there. 420 00:21:57,356 --> 00:21:58,235 Speaker 2: Every day. 421 00:21:58,356 --> 00:22:01,996 Speaker 3: It normalizes it. It gives them ideas you know that 422 00:22:02,035 --> 00:22:02,876 Speaker 3: they don't. 423 00:22:02,436 --> 00:22:03,955 Speaker 1: That's true. 424 00:22:04,035 --> 00:22:07,676 Speaker 3: You know, everything from that something like that to you know, 425 00:22:08,676 --> 00:22:11,356 Speaker 3: discuss anything that has to do with gender identity and 426 00:22:11,396 --> 00:22:14,396 Speaker 3: things like that these days that that are in some 427 00:22:14,556 --> 00:22:19,436 Speaker 3: mainstream programming. That's just we just what you know, wherever 428 00:22:19,515 --> 00:22:22,356 Speaker 3: you feel, whatever you feel about that, it's not appropriate 429 00:22:22,436 --> 00:22:26,075 Speaker 3: for kids, for little kids, it's just not necessary. And 430 00:22:26,156 --> 00:22:29,475 Speaker 3: so we want to really focus on the learning and 431 00:22:30,316 --> 00:22:34,516 Speaker 3: character and values and even social emotional learning is very 432 00:22:34,556 --> 00:22:37,075 Speaker 3: important because kids need to understand how to interact with 433 00:22:37,076 --> 00:22:39,876 Speaker 3: one another, and so we do have some social emotional 434 00:22:39,916 --> 00:22:43,636 Speaker 3: shows just for that reason where they're learning how to share, 435 00:22:43,676 --> 00:22:45,396 Speaker 3: they're learning how to be a good friend, and those 436 00:22:45,396 --> 00:22:47,356 Speaker 3: are important. Those are important things too. 437 00:22:47,596 --> 00:22:51,916 Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about older kids, how do make wiser media choices? 438 00:22:51,916 --> 00:22:55,516 Speaker 3: Goodness, it gets harder, It really really gets harder. And 439 00:22:55,596 --> 00:22:58,475 Speaker 3: so for me with my older kids, one thing is 440 00:22:58,596 --> 00:23:02,156 Speaker 3: I watch things with them if I'm not sure about it. Well, 441 00:23:02,196 --> 00:23:05,676 Speaker 3: one when they're younger especially, and as they get older, 442 00:23:05,796 --> 00:23:08,396 Speaker 3: you know, I'll watch it first. Once they get to 443 00:23:08,475 --> 00:23:11,715 Speaker 3: a certain age, I'll maybe watch it with them after 444 00:23:11,755 --> 00:23:15,756 Speaker 3: doing a little bit of research myself, just to make 445 00:23:15,796 --> 00:23:18,036 Speaker 3: sure if it is a little harder, that we can 446 00:23:18,116 --> 00:23:22,075 Speaker 3: have good conversation about it. And again, every family is 447 00:23:22,116 --> 00:23:24,516 Speaker 3: going to have different convictions about certain things that they 448 00:23:24,596 --> 00:23:28,235 Speaker 3: do or don't want to watch. And it really is 449 00:23:28,275 --> 00:23:32,635 Speaker 3: a personal thing. And so you know, understanding, especially with 450 00:23:32,755 --> 00:23:36,035 Speaker 3: your spouse or you know, if you if you have 451 00:23:36,076 --> 00:23:40,595 Speaker 3: a spouse in the home, understanding what being aligned about 452 00:23:40,596 --> 00:23:43,556 Speaker 3: what you want your kids to see or stay away from. 453 00:23:44,316 --> 00:23:47,996 Speaker 3: And then and then watching together is a really important thing, 454 00:23:48,076 --> 00:23:50,315 Speaker 3: especially if you're like, well, this is this is it 455 00:23:50,396 --> 00:23:53,916 Speaker 3: doesn't seem so bad, but there's certain things. Let's watch 456 00:23:53,916 --> 00:23:57,196 Speaker 3: it together. That way we can talk about it. And 457 00:23:57,316 --> 00:23:59,595 Speaker 3: because we can't shield them from everything, they are going 458 00:23:59,596 --> 00:24:03,636 Speaker 3: to encounter certain things. So so making it normal for 459 00:24:03,755 --> 00:24:05,955 Speaker 3: you to watch it together and talk about it is 460 00:24:05,995 --> 00:24:07,676 Speaker 3: I think one of the best things you can do. 461 00:24:08,396 --> 00:24:10,836 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, as they get older. Some we haven't 462 00:24:10,836 --> 00:24:12,475 Speaker 2: done it much, but I heard this from our friend. 463 00:24:12,515 --> 00:24:14,275 Speaker 2: I thought was really cute that you have the family 464 00:24:14,316 --> 00:24:16,156 Speaker 2: movie night and you take turns of. 465 00:24:16,076 --> 00:24:17,116 Speaker 1: Who chooses the movie. 466 00:24:17,235 --> 00:24:20,515 Speaker 2: Who chooses It's nice the movie that you like so 467 00:24:20,556 --> 00:24:23,595 Speaker 2: that you're boy likes, your teenage girl likes that you 468 00:24:23,836 --> 00:24:26,835 Speaker 2: think has a chance, you know of the other family 469 00:24:26,876 --> 00:24:28,995 Speaker 2: members to get it right. But then you are getting 470 00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:32,155 Speaker 2: to know everyone's taste and what they like. Ye's that's 471 00:24:32,196 --> 00:24:35,275 Speaker 2: such a great miraculous when you find a movie that, like, hey, 472 00:24:35,755 --> 00:24:37,276 Speaker 2: all of us kind of like. 473 00:24:37,876 --> 00:24:40,636 Speaker 3: Very miraculous all the ages. This is good. 474 00:24:41,235 --> 00:24:43,595 Speaker 2: So you know if you've listened to me that, I'm like, 475 00:24:43,676 --> 00:24:46,356 Speaker 2: put your phone away and please get off screens and 476 00:24:46,396 --> 00:24:48,636 Speaker 2: go live a real life. And believe me that is 477 00:24:48,796 --> 00:24:51,075 Speaker 2: don't get a hobby. That's what we want. But when 478 00:24:51,156 --> 00:24:54,276 Speaker 2: you do, make the choices because I love I grew 479 00:24:54,396 --> 00:24:56,715 Speaker 2: up on television. I grew up on The Cosby Show 480 00:24:56,796 --> 00:24:59,676 Speaker 2: and Family Ties and Gilligan's Island and I Love Lucy 481 00:24:59,715 --> 00:25:03,116 Speaker 2: and the Brady Bunch and Moonlighting and Remington Steel. 482 00:25:02,916 --> 00:25:04,596 Speaker 1: And just watched all those shows all the time. 483 00:25:04,596 --> 00:25:07,036 Speaker 2: But those shows, and those of you who are young 484 00:25:07,076 --> 00:25:08,275 Speaker 2: are like, I have no idea what that like. 485 00:25:08,316 --> 00:25:11,156 Speaker 1: You're talking about it, right. 486 00:25:11,076 --> 00:25:13,436 Speaker 2: But they were just on like once a week and 487 00:25:13,475 --> 00:25:15,676 Speaker 2: then it was over, and then the season ended, and 488 00:25:15,715 --> 00:25:16,276 Speaker 2: you didn't watch. 489 00:25:16,316 --> 00:25:18,636 Speaker 1: It was completely different. 490 00:25:18,316 --> 00:25:22,916 Speaker 2: Completely we watched, and so I would just encourage you 491 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:26,556 Speaker 2: families when you do watch things, don't watch things individually, 492 00:25:27,235 --> 00:25:31,395 Speaker 2: watch things together as a family with family move night, 493 00:25:31,955 --> 00:25:34,635 Speaker 2: look at minno, you know, and look for things together 494 00:25:34,755 --> 00:25:38,235 Speaker 2: and watch and that's a totally different dynamic of your 495 00:25:38,235 --> 00:25:40,955 Speaker 2: popping popcorn and you're talking to each other, totally different 496 00:25:40,995 --> 00:25:44,515 Speaker 2: than everyone in their own room and one dad's watching sports, 497 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:48,396 Speaker 2: mom shopping, you know, sisters playing you know on Instagram, 498 00:25:48,436 --> 00:25:51,555 Speaker 2: brothers playing a video game. That's totally a different dynamic. 499 00:25:51,796 --> 00:25:53,916 Speaker 2: So this is we want to. 500 00:25:53,836 --> 00:25:56,036 Speaker 1: Get back to this family movie night. 501 00:25:56,156 --> 00:25:56,356 Speaker 3: Now. 502 00:25:56,556 --> 00:26:02,755 Speaker 2: Mino is kind of amazing because they're theologically sound, developmentally appropriate, 503 00:26:02,755 --> 00:26:04,916 Speaker 2: so where they're understanding these ages and stages. You can 504 00:26:04,995 --> 00:26:08,115 Speaker 2: find shows that are for your child's age group, and 505 00:26:08,156 --> 00:26:12,196 Speaker 2: then they're actually fun and engaging. So just kind of 506 00:26:12,275 --> 00:26:15,676 Speaker 2: in your family and the experiences you've heard about, what 507 00:26:15,796 --> 00:26:18,515 Speaker 2: are kind of those high points of what families are 508 00:26:18,515 --> 00:26:20,035 Speaker 2: sharing Why they enjoy Mino. 509 00:26:20,636 --> 00:26:24,196 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, one of the biggest things is they love 510 00:26:24,356 --> 00:26:28,596 Speaker 3: that they can allow their child to navigate it, you know, 511 00:26:29,275 --> 00:26:33,436 Speaker 3: especially with screens and media. We want to teach agency 512 00:26:33,596 --> 00:26:36,795 Speaker 3: because we want them eventually to understand what it means 513 00:26:36,836 --> 00:26:40,555 Speaker 3: to discern good media and that's one of the reasons 514 00:26:40,556 --> 00:26:43,515 Speaker 3: why it's important to watch things together, if it's you know, 515 00:26:44,715 --> 00:26:47,676 Speaker 3: if you're not sure about it, or if maybe it 516 00:26:47,715 --> 00:26:49,555 Speaker 3: is a little harder. Like we said, it's important to 517 00:26:49,556 --> 00:26:52,396 Speaker 3: watch together because you're going to help them through those conversations, 518 00:26:52,475 --> 00:26:56,755 Speaker 3: learn discernment and then on mino hopefully they don't have 519 00:26:56,796 --> 00:26:59,836 Speaker 3: to use too much discernment because we've done that for them. 520 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:02,475 Speaker 3: But it gives them agency of choosing what they like, 521 00:27:02,515 --> 00:27:07,715 Speaker 3: what they don't like, and experiencing it that way. But 522 00:27:07,755 --> 00:27:10,715 Speaker 3: we still encourage family time. I mean, that's that's shared 523 00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,475 Speaker 3: experiences is a huge value for us here. 524 00:27:14,076 --> 00:27:16,115 Speaker 2: I see it as such an advantage because you know, 525 00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:18,075 Speaker 2: I always tell people if you want to go to 526 00:27:18,116 --> 00:27:20,275 Speaker 2: the thrist store and get a DVD player and a 527 00:27:20,356 --> 00:27:23,235 Speaker 2: DVD because at least you know what your child is 528 00:27:23,275 --> 00:27:25,916 Speaker 2: watching there. And then when you go to a platform 529 00:27:26,076 --> 00:27:28,196 Speaker 2: like mi No and parents go there, don't take our 530 00:27:28,235 --> 00:27:30,995 Speaker 2: word for it, like check it out yourself, but at 531 00:27:31,076 --> 00:27:33,836 Speaker 2: least and you can feel much more secure about your 532 00:27:33,955 --> 00:27:36,355 Speaker 2: child using out a show. It's kind of like choosing 533 00:27:36,396 --> 00:27:39,355 Speaker 2: it from the DVD drawer of all these rights. 534 00:27:39,235 --> 00:27:42,396 Speaker 3: Because you've chosen those, You've chosen those DVDs. Yeah, and 535 00:27:42,475 --> 00:27:45,715 Speaker 3: we have. We've spent a lot of time going through 536 00:27:46,035 --> 00:27:50,516 Speaker 3: all of the shows. We just added audio. That's another thing. 537 00:27:50,916 --> 00:27:54,676 Speaker 3: We have a screen free option, so you can listen now. Yeah. 538 00:27:54,715 --> 00:27:57,076 Speaker 3: So it's like we like to say, it's like Netflix 539 00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:59,555 Speaker 3: for Christian kids and Spotify for Christian kids because now 540 00:27:59,596 --> 00:28:02,676 Speaker 3: they can listen to audiobooks and music and all kinds 541 00:28:02,715 --> 00:28:06,396 Speaker 3: of things. But when you go there, you know, there's 542 00:28:06,475 --> 00:28:09,996 Speaker 3: a lot of different options. Most of it is explicitly Christian, 543 00:28:10,156 --> 00:28:12,196 Speaker 3: some of it isn't. Like I said, we've vetted a 544 00:28:12,235 --> 00:28:15,235 Speaker 3: lot of educational shows, but one of the other things 545 00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:17,835 Speaker 3: we hear from parents is how much their kids know 546 00:28:18,035 --> 00:28:23,516 Speaker 3: and understand the Bible after watching well know, because yeah, yeah, 547 00:28:23,556 --> 00:28:28,235 Speaker 3: because we have multiple Bible shows, but our main Bible 548 00:28:28,235 --> 00:28:31,116 Speaker 3: show is The Laugh and Grow Bible for kids. And 549 00:28:31,275 --> 00:28:33,835 Speaker 3: it was a story of Bible, and then we animated 550 00:28:33,876 --> 00:28:37,436 Speaker 3: it and we have about sixty five episodes and lots 551 00:28:37,475 --> 00:28:40,916 Speaker 3: more to come, animating the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation. 552 00:28:41,156 --> 00:28:46,036 Speaker 3: And so kids are really understanding the Bible stories and 553 00:28:46,076 --> 00:28:48,676 Speaker 3: not just you know, Noah and a bunch of cute 554 00:28:48,716 --> 00:28:50,156 Speaker 3: animals and then there was Rain and then there was 555 00:28:50,196 --> 00:28:53,436 Speaker 3: a rainbow. They're understanding the big picture narrative of the 556 00:28:53,476 --> 00:28:56,916 Speaker 3: Bible and why why did that happen and what led 557 00:28:56,956 --> 00:28:58,956 Speaker 3: to that, and then what happened after that, and how 558 00:28:58,956 --> 00:29:01,996 Speaker 3: does it point to Jesus? And so we're being very 559 00:29:01,996 --> 00:29:04,876 Speaker 3: purposeful in how we teach kids the big story of 560 00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:09,476 Speaker 3: the Bible and theology and really helping to form an 561 00:29:09,556 --> 00:29:12,835 Speaker 3: early view of God that is healthy and that is 562 00:29:14,116 --> 00:29:18,476 Speaker 3: just loving and balanced, and just really helping them to 563 00:29:18,516 --> 00:29:20,116 Speaker 3: develop that faith in the long haul. 564 00:29:21,036 --> 00:29:23,396 Speaker 2: I feel like from this conversation, if we can take 565 00:29:23,436 --> 00:29:28,196 Speaker 2: away as parents, Okay, how can our media glorify God? Like, 566 00:29:28,356 --> 00:29:30,835 Speaker 2: is there a way for me to use media to 567 00:29:30,876 --> 00:29:32,476 Speaker 2: teach my children. 568 00:29:32,116 --> 00:29:33,036 Speaker 1: More about Jesus? 569 00:29:33,236 --> 00:29:35,516 Speaker 2: Is there a way that's age appropriate that they would 570 00:29:35,596 --> 00:29:38,036 Speaker 2: like and let me lean into that, let me use that. 571 00:29:38,036 --> 00:29:39,596 Speaker 1: That's so encouraging. 572 00:29:39,636 --> 00:29:42,916 Speaker 2: Can you imagine a generation of kids who actually understood 573 00:29:42,956 --> 00:29:45,156 Speaker 2: biblical amazing. 574 00:29:45,556 --> 00:29:49,556 Speaker 1: It's like you you know, things like this is amazing, cool, that. 575 00:29:49,556 --> 00:29:52,476 Speaker 3: Is the goal. Yeah, We're so we're always excited to 576 00:29:52,516 --> 00:29:56,356 Speaker 3: get these amazing notes from parents saying that their kids, 577 00:29:56,476 --> 00:29:58,516 Speaker 3: you know, knew all the fruit of the spirit because 578 00:29:58,516 --> 00:30:01,556 Speaker 3: they watched this episode or they understood, and we don't 579 00:30:01,556 --> 00:30:03,875 Speaker 3: shy away from big words either, Like we have an 580 00:30:03,916 --> 00:30:07,596 Speaker 3: episode about justification and things like that, and so we're 581 00:30:07,596 --> 00:30:10,156 Speaker 3: just breaking it down, though we take time to slowly 582 00:30:10,236 --> 00:30:13,315 Speaker 3: explain what that means. Even if the child does not 583 00:30:13,396 --> 00:30:15,916 Speaker 3: understand it at four years old, we've kind of given 584 00:30:15,956 --> 00:30:19,196 Speaker 3: that first introduction and then they can. We like to say, 585 00:30:19,196 --> 00:30:22,116 Speaker 3: we give them truth to grow on, so they get 586 00:30:22,156 --> 00:30:24,076 Speaker 3: the truth and then they can grow into it. 587 00:30:24,716 --> 00:30:25,115 Speaker 1: I love it. 588 00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:26,956 Speaker 2: We parents were like, I'm going to watch that one 589 00:30:26,996 --> 00:30:28,156 Speaker 2: about gentification. 590 00:30:29,636 --> 00:30:31,716 Speaker 3: It does help it. Really. We've had a lot of 591 00:30:31,716 --> 00:30:33,796 Speaker 3: parents say, hey, I didn't even understand this, and now 592 00:30:33,796 --> 00:30:35,716 Speaker 3: I do, so that's wonderful too. 593 00:30:35,956 --> 00:30:37,036 Speaker 1: I love that so much. 594 00:30:37,476 --> 00:30:39,796 Speaker 2: Just how can people anything you want to share that 595 00:30:39,836 --> 00:30:41,956 Speaker 2: we didn't touch on and how can people find out 596 00:30:41,996 --> 00:30:42,476 Speaker 2: more about me? 597 00:30:42,596 --> 00:30:46,676 Speaker 3: No, yeah, you know, I just want to go back 598 00:30:46,676 --> 00:30:50,556 Speaker 3: to the it's it's never too late. I just I 599 00:30:50,996 --> 00:30:53,635 Speaker 3: really want parents to understand that because we can. We 600 00:30:53,676 --> 00:30:56,796 Speaker 3: are so hard on ourselves, and especially if we care 601 00:30:56,836 --> 00:30:59,796 Speaker 3: about introducing our kids to Jesus, it's it can feel 602 00:30:59,796 --> 00:31:04,436 Speaker 3: like the biggest, the biggest job, and so overwhelming, and 603 00:31:04,676 --> 00:31:08,756 Speaker 3: just want them to know it's never too late and 604 00:31:08,756 --> 00:31:11,075 Speaker 3: and the Lord will lead you and guide you and 605 00:31:11,236 --> 00:31:14,756 Speaker 3: how to plant those seeds that you may not see 606 00:31:14,796 --> 00:31:17,476 Speaker 3: the fruit of those for a while, but but you're 607 00:31:17,476 --> 00:31:21,276 Speaker 3: planning those seeds and He's faithful to bring to bring 608 00:31:21,316 --> 00:31:24,676 Speaker 3: it about. So yeah, that's that's what I love to 609 00:31:24,756 --> 00:31:28,796 Speaker 3: encourage parents. They can find Mino at gomino dot com. 610 00:31:28,796 --> 00:31:31,796 Speaker 3: It's g O m I n n O. Minno is 611 00:31:31,836 --> 00:31:35,516 Speaker 3: actually the as you I'll tell you what it means. 612 00:31:35,796 --> 00:31:38,836 Speaker 3: It is actually the Anglican spelling of the Greek word mino, 613 00:31:38,876 --> 00:31:41,116 Speaker 3: which means to abide, because that is what we want 614 00:31:41,196 --> 00:31:43,716 Speaker 3: is to help kids and families abide with Jesus every day. 615 00:31:43,836 --> 00:31:47,315 Speaker 3: So it's go Mino m I N n O dot 616 00:31:47,356 --> 00:31:50,236 Speaker 3: com and you can start a free trial and give 617 00:31:50,276 --> 00:31:52,075 Speaker 3: it a try and see what we have there. You 618 00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:56,156 Speaker 3: can browse all the shows and it's on every device 619 00:31:56,276 --> 00:31:58,156 Speaker 3: that you can think of. I think the only device 620 00:31:58,196 --> 00:32:01,236 Speaker 3: we're not on is Xbox, but we're on all smart 621 00:32:01,236 --> 00:32:05,596 Speaker 3: TVs and and Apple and Roku and all that in Amazon, 622 00:32:05,716 --> 00:32:08,996 Speaker 3: and so they can give it a try. 623 00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:12,356 Speaker 1: I love this. Abide abide in Jesus. 624 00:32:12,436 --> 00:32:15,556 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jess. This has been so helpful 625 00:32:16,156 --> 00:32:18,556 Speaker 2: letting us all who have been listening. Let us make 626 00:32:18,556 --> 00:32:22,396 Speaker 2: those good screen choices for the Lord and for the 627 00:32:22,396 --> 00:32:24,956 Speaker 2: health of our kids. Thanks so much, Yes, thanks for 628 00:32:24,996 --> 00:32:25,436 Speaker 2: having me. 629 00:32:27,036 --> 00:32:27,716 Speaker 1: I hope you've. 630 00:32:27,636 --> 00:32:31,236 Speaker 2: Enjoyed today's conversation. 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