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Speaker 1: A man has been shot and killed for entering Mary

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Speaker 1: Lago early Sunday morning with a shotgun. Who is he?

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Speaker 2: What did he want?

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Speaker 1: What is his online profile? What can we learn from him?

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Speaker 1: I've got just the man to reveal everything. Travis Hawley,

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Speaker 1: former Air Force intelligence now open source intelligence expert. It's

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Speaker 1: so great to have you back on the Aaron mollinchey,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me again.

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Speaker 1: When I heard about what happened at Mary Lago, a

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Speaker 1: young man shot dead, his name Austin Tucker Martin, I

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Speaker 1: thought there's only one place to go to see what

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Speaker 1: we can find out about this young man, his online footprint.

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Speaker 1: I know these are really big challenges, particularly once a

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Speaker 1: crime occurs. Please get in there pretty quickly. But what

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Speaker 1: can you tell us about this young man? And how

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Speaker 1: does it generally work with law enforcement when something like

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Speaker 1: this happens. What do they do with the online space

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Speaker 1: as well? Are they trying to preserve things trying to

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Speaker 1: take things down? It's a fascinating conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, actually there's sort of a race every time

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Speaker 2: an unfortunate incident like this happens. You know, I typically

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Speaker 2: jump in depending on my availability terrorist attacks, whether it

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Speaker 2: was you know, the one in Australia or it's the

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Speaker 2: multitude of ones that have happened here in the US.

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Speaker 2: You know, people who you know, journalists and people who

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Speaker 2: do open source intelligence more formally like myself. It's definitely

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Speaker 2: a race to see if what evidence we can find

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Speaker 2: in their digital footprint before law enforcement, you know, send

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Speaker 2: some type of request to social media to take it down.

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Speaker 2: Some people are like, why do they take it down,

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Speaker 2: Like that's for the public's consumption. Well, to some degree,

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Speaker 2: they want to preserve whatever's evidence is there without people

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Speaker 2: going in and spamming it or hacking it or just

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Speaker 2: you know, leaving it up publicly can can can cause

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Speaker 2: some issues. So yes, I jumped in on this just

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Speaker 2: once we had the name to see if we could

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Speaker 2: find anything. You know, it really ranges some people. We

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Speaker 2: find a lot on, particularly people who are older. And

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Speaker 2: what I mean by older is let's say thirty or older.

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Speaker 2: But people in their twenties and teens, they tend to

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Speaker 2: have smaller digital footprints, which may sound counterintuitive, but that's

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Speaker 2: just because the way they use social social media and

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Speaker 2: have history. So I did jump in and try to

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Speaker 2: find what I could, and I didn't find a lot

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Speaker 2: on him, but I did find some things, like, for example,

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Speaker 2: decent artist. He makes like these farm pictures and country pictures,

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Speaker 2: which may make sense because he lives with his family

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Speaker 2: I pulled it up on Google as well on his

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Speaker 2: couple other interesting things, nothing, i'll be honest, nothing super

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Speaker 2: March twelfth of last year. You know, look, there's a

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Speaker 2: But he opened up his art website last year as well,

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Speaker 2: so definitely a couple, you know, milestones to some degree

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Speaker 2: I see that he has a Wix web page, which

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Speaker 2: our account, which would make sense for building his own website,

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Speaker 2: which he did PayPal, Facebook, Twitter identified in an active

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Speaker 2: Instagram doesn't mean he doesn't have one, but look, if

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Speaker 2: it's anonymous or under a pseudonym, it could take a

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Speaker 2: And depending on how you edit this, you can show

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Speaker 2: on Facebook like a missing person poster of him this morning.

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Speaker 2: his name is actually sort of inverted. His name is

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Speaker 2: And this is why the families typically also eventually pulled

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Speaker 2: the army, the US Army right now. So I'll stop

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Speaker 2: there at want one for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you, And that I mean, there's actually

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Speaker 1: so heightened with assassination attempts with a potential war with Iran.

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Speaker 1: We know they've got proxies on the ground in the US,

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Speaker 1: they've got bounties out of the President's head. They have

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Speaker 1: breach the perimeter at mar Lago. The interesting aspect of

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Speaker 1: Trumps clearly went there and look anyone you can google

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Speaker 1: Whether or not, you know, he would have had to

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Speaker 2: Clearly actually was. It was a shotgun not a rifle, which.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a rifle you're going to think about potentially

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Speaker 2: hunting or potentially something related to the military. So let's

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Speaker 2: just say killing, uh something from a medium to long range.

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Speaker 2: Whereas a shotgun doesn't shoot bullets, is shotes pellets. These

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Speaker 2: And the reason why that's importance is a shotgun or

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Speaker 2: not like a sniper that looking yeah, correct, correct, So

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Speaker 2: that's again that's another very important piece of evidence that

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Speaker 2: believe in Iran, a lot of the security forces there

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Speaker 2: their faces. And why I bring that up is because

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Speaker 2: it's quite easy to survive from a shotgun blast if

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Speaker 2: obviously you won't. So anyways, I think that is important.

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Speaker 1: Because Travis, thank you, I really appreciate you jumping in

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Speaker 1: because that is it's so relevant and it's so important.

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Speaker 1: And again for people, you know, my dad was in

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Speaker 1: been in any kind of law enforcement. That information I

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Speaker 1: don't know, and that is so relevant. So I thank

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Speaker 1: some of whom will of course know that, but some

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Speaker 1: of whom will not. You are amazing. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for helping us out on this one and for

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Speaker 1: giving us a bit of a picture. And of course

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Speaker 1: anyone who wants your services privately can also use you

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Speaker 1: as well in that capacity. You do private things all

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: You help people.

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Speaker 1: They can clean up their own online space, or you

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Speaker 1: can help keep people safe online as well. It's Travis

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Speaker 1: Hawley in its talk to Trav on Instagram as well.

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Speaker 1: You can message him there. But Travis, thank you. You

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Speaker 1: are brilliant, which is why we keep getting you back on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Erin. I appreciate it. See you soon.

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