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Speaker 2: Hey An, thanks for joining me absolutely, thanks for having

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Speaker 2: me and Wilson Award winning singer who has a new

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Speaker 2: book Rebel following Jesus When the World Walks the Other Way.

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Speaker 2: I love that title. And you also have a deluxe

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Speaker 2: album edition of Stars except for release July the tenth,

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Speaker 2: and you recently announced an extension of the Stars Tour

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Speaker 2: twenty five dates in September, October, November, and Wilson Official

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Speaker 2: dot com as the website, and let's heard of the book.

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Speaker 2: You won a K level award of course this year

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Speaker 2: for Hey Girl. Congratulations for the congratulations for that. Now

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Speaker 2: you're releasing Rebel. Tell me the heart behind this book?

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is the same title as the album.

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Speaker 2: But of course people will often have a negative connotation

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Speaker 2: of the word rebel. So why did you want to

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Speaker 2: write this book and what's the theme behind it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it is funny how people have a

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Speaker 1: negative connotation of that word. Obviously hear stuff about that

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Speaker 1: all the time, like kids that rebel and people that

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Speaker 1: are rebels, whatever. But I had this idea of writing

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Speaker 1: a song called Rebel originally, which then got turned into

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Speaker 1: an album and then a book, and the whole overarching

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Speaker 1: theme between the song, album, and book is what it

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Speaker 1: means to be a Christian in today's world, following Jesus

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Speaker 1: from the world walk the other way? What does it

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Speaker 1: mean to stand for when you're faith and to be

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Speaker 1: bold and things that should believe in. So through the

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Speaker 1: song that was written was the perspective of me being

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Speaker 1: bold in my faith in the country genre. Rebel was

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Speaker 1: my first debut country album, So I'm going to write

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Speaker 1: songs about my love for country, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: stand term my faith. That was that perspective of being

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Speaker 1: a rebel. Then it was also my you know, looking

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Speaker 1: through scriptures and reading how Jesus was a rebel. Jesus

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Speaker 1: would go against the crowd, he would go against the grave,

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Speaker 1: he would make his own way and do his own thing,

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Speaker 1: and he truly was a rebel in that time. And

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Speaker 1: so that inspired me to keep writing the record Rebel.

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Speaker 1: And then as I was writing the record, I realized

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Speaker 1: there was a lot more to say. So that's how

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Speaker 1: he ended up with the book.

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Speaker 2: What are those a lot more to say? Themes? So

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Speaker 2: I know one of them is kind of standing out

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Speaker 2: What do you think it actually looks like. Then, for

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Speaker 2: a Christian to stand out in a way that reflects Jesus,

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Speaker 2: I think it means living.

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Speaker 1: Like Jesus stand and following Jesus, not just going to

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Speaker 1: church on Sunday checking it off your list, but truly

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Speaker 1: following Jesus, obeying him, walking in the ways in which

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Speaker 1: he walked. However, your relationship with them being the hands

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Speaker 1: of meat of Jesus, loving people well, loving your neighbor

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Speaker 1: as yourself, all the things that were told to do

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Speaker 1: to the Bible, like truly living that out. But the

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Speaker 1: other part of that, I think is being bold and

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Speaker 1: not backing down. I think in today's culture we are

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Speaker 1: so afraid to speak what we believe and to stand

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Speaker 1: firm for truths, not the world's version of truth, but

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Speaker 1: God's version of truth. And especially in the recent years

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Speaker 1: I think that I feel like Christians have been almost

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Speaker 1: don't want it to cause conflict. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: mess up the peace, and it's you know, Jesus was not.

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Speaker 1: He didn't come to just bring peace. And Jesus was

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Speaker 1: matter if people liked it or not. And so as

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Speaker 1: a Christian, that's what we are called to be. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that's really what's going to make lasting

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Speaker 1: for the things that he believed in.

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Speaker 2: Where does this boldness come from within you? Because I

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Speaker 2: know I think he grew up in a house of faith,

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Speaker 2: faith has boldness. How did you gain that in your life?

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Speaker 1: I think it I grew up like my mom was

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Speaker 1: My mom always would speak her She's very opinionated, and

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Speaker 1: important it is to establish the things that we believe

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Speaker 1: But I've also just I was born just very like headstrong,

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Speaker 1: going to do it and achieve it. So it's worked

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Speaker 1: out with my career. Like being able to have that

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Speaker 1: And then in other ways because I've been so bold.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's opportunities I've missed out all and other

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you about this, this movement of God

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Speaker 2: I always forget what the ages are for that, but

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Speaker 2: you're somewhere, you're a young adult. It's okay, you areting

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Speaker 2: your generation? And I'm asking that as as we see.

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Speaker 2: You know, thousands of college students gather in these arenas

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Speaker 2: back in this up as well. But what are you

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Speaker 2: seeing among your generation? Do you see a movement of God?

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Speaker 1: I do, Yeah. I think it's been so powerful to

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Speaker 2: What impact have phones that social media had on that, though,

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Speaker 2: because I think a lot of people are arguing that

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Speaker 2: that's been a major impact. Do you have any thoughts there?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I don't. So I'm like all against phones,

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Speaker 1: can buy it. It was on which I highly recommend for people.

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Speaker 1: But he talks about the effects of phones and how

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Speaker 1: up like having this revelation of just like I've got

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Speaker 1: us flowly but surely. So I'm very against all of it.

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Speaker 1: I think that we're better off looking at each other

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Speaker 1: core issue in my generation of something that people need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I need you to come talk to my fourteen

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Speaker 2: they have a gab phone, and they always back and

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Speaker 2: for an iPhone. So let me ask you and do

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Speaker 2: social media? Is that kind of what we're talking about? Okay? Okay,

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Speaker 2: because if lip phone's difficult to navigate, you've got to

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Speaker 2: press the butte.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, so I recommend there's also a phone

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Speaker 1: called the light phone, and it still takes pictures, like

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Speaker 1: it has maps calculator. You can text and call, but

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Speaker 1: you can't FaceTime, or maybe you can on the new one,

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Speaker 1: but there's no social media ask for Fari. So basically

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Speaker 1: the idea is like you make your phone to do

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Speaker 1: what it actually needs to do, which is called text,

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Speaker 1: maps calculator, and then, like everything else, you put on

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Speaker 1: your laptop and you schedule times to check social media,

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Speaker 1: You schedule times to check your email and to FaceTime

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Speaker 1: people versus it being and to search stuff on Safari

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it would sell, but I would.

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Speaker 2: I would plead with you to write a book about this.

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Speaker 2: I mean we need that in that we need a

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Speaker 2: famous person to write about this and that generation. You're

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Speaker 2: the person. Maybe let me ask you before we close here,

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Speaker 2: let me ask you about your music. Of course, your

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Speaker 2: your country songs have a faith theme and they don't

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Speaker 2: shy shy away about talking about Jesus from talking about Jesus.

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Speaker 2: Question for you, have you found that country music audiences

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Speaker 2: are more open to faith centered songs than people might assume.

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Speaker 2: It seems like a natural fit to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think that people in the country space

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Speaker 1: are talking about their faith more and realizing how much

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Speaker 1: of a connection there is there between sharing faith and

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Speaker 1: also having love for country. But I think that there's

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Speaker 1: a boldness that these artists are wanting to share more

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Speaker 1: I love getting to see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these collaborations, it seems like there's a collaboration in

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Speaker 2: every You've had some, of course, and Brandon at Lake

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Speaker 2: has had some. And what's going on there? I mean,

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Speaker 2: has this been is there a movement there or has

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Speaker 2: this been there all along? Or is it a little

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Speaker 2: bit of both. I'm just trying to figure out why,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden is everybody talking about Jesus in

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Speaker 2: the country realm.

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a movement. I think people finally

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Speaker 1: are like, oh my gosh, I can share what I

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Speaker 1: believe in and I can express this part of my

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Speaker 1: faith that I never had before. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: fear that maybe these country artists have felt that they

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Speaker 1: can't share, and then they're seeing Christian artists to it

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Speaker 1: and cross over into country and then being like, oh wait,

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Speaker 1: maybe I can share my faith and I'll be okay.

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Speaker 1: And so I think sometimes country artists that I've worked

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Speaker 1: with in the past have viewed collabing on a song

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Speaker 1: with me as an opportunity to share their faith that

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Speaker 1: they normally wouldn't share on one of their records. At

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Speaker 1: least that's how it's been explain to me by some

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Speaker 1: of them. So it's cool to see that they're feeling

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Speaker 1: like this urge to want to share their faith, which

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Speaker 1: I think is I think it's the Lord working.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome to see final question for you as we

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Speaker 2: close here, you sing the national anthem at the launch

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Speaker 2: of Artemis two. I was watching that and belongs of

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Speaker 2: course that day. I was. I'm a big astronomy and

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Speaker 2: space fan. I know you wanted to be an astronaut

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Speaker 2: when you were growing up, So tell me your emotions

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Speaker 2: that day and not just singing the anthem but also

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Speaker 2: watching this historic event.

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Speaker 1: It was so special. So that's just a real moment

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Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, I mean, it was like probably top

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Speaker 1: top favorite moment of my whole career because of just

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Speaker 1: in such a historic day for our country. Obviously wanted

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Speaker 1: to be an astronaut, so I have this part of

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Speaker 1: my story. And then it's the timing of it too,

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Speaker 1: record Stars and our two word that I put out.

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Speaker 1: I was on the Stars tour in the spring when

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Speaker 1: all this happened. So God, and it was also crazy insane,

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Speaker 1: But ten years to the exact day that I went

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Speaker 1: to visit NASA when I was fourteen years old, was

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Speaker 1: on April first of twenty sixteen, And when we were

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Speaker 1: on the way to NASA, eight like popped in my head.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, check your camera roll and see

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Speaker 1: when we were last at NASA, and it was April

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Speaker 1: first of twenty sixteen. We went to NASA. We were

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Speaker 1: finishing up a spring break trip and that's when we

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Speaker 1: went and visited and talked to them about what it

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Speaker 1: would look like to work for them. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: so God, you know, to do all of that for me,

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Speaker 1: it felt like just like such a little gift for

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Speaker 1: me and my family, and it was a really special

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Speaker 1: day that I'll never forget.

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