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Speaker 1: to the Big Weekend Pod, and indeed it is big.

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Speaker 1: At the end of it, I will include, just in

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Speaker 1: case you haven't already listened to it, my interview with

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Speaker 1: President Trump from Thursday's program. But to the Big Weekend Pod,

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Speaker 1: we talk with Matt Continity, Ben Dominic, Eli Lake, John Ellis,

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Speaker 1: and a little bit of football with Douglay Marie. To

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Speaker 1: make sure that it's light, but it's not light. All

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Speaker 1: eyes are on Iran this weekend. Whether or not the

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Speaker 1: IRGC retreats in the face of hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: protesters or do they in fact risk the wrath of

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Speaker 1: the United States by firing on the protesters. We'll be

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Speaker 1: watching all weekend long, and I'll talk about it with

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy today's big weekend pot Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm you hear it show A new audience is way

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Speaker 1: up north in Michigan and down in Pensacola, Florida. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Continetti half Hour, where Matt Conteneti of AEI

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Speaker 1: and the Wall Street Journal joins me to explore the

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Speaker 1: news of the week. Matt, I want to read to

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Speaker 1: you something Supreme Leader Iatola Jimeni said today. He dismissed

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Speaker 1: President Trump's threats as quote, he has hands stained with

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Speaker 1: the blood of Iranians and said that the protesters are

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Speaker 1: ruining their own streets in order to please the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States. He said, because he threatened he

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Speaker 1: Do you think that, I Hatola how many is going

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Speaker 1: to shut down the protests with that?

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Speaker 2: No, And he's not shutting down the protests with the

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Speaker 2: offer of seven dollars to each Iranian which came earlier

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Speaker 2: not sure how to proceed. I think it's a very

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Speaker 2: combustible situation in Iran right now, Hugh, you have another night,

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Speaker 2: it seems of massive protests. It's hard to know exactly

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Speaker 2: what's happening, of course, because the regime has shut down

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Speaker 2: glean from social media is that there are mass protests

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Speaker 2: throughout the country in response to the economic desolation that

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Speaker 2: this regime has perpetrated on the Iranian people. So you

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Speaker 2: have economic humiliation, you have military humiliation with Operation Midnight

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Speaker 2: Hammer in the Twelve Day War last year battering the

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Speaker 2: Iranian regime, and you now have political humiliation where it's

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Speaker 2: clear that the government no longer has any legitimacy whatsoever

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Speaker 2: on the streets of Iran.

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Speaker 1: Matt the President of the United States, did threaten Iran

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Speaker 1: down on Thursday night with Sean Hannity. He made it

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Speaker 1: very clear that if they opened fire on the protesters,

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Speaker 1: he will hit them very hard. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: that means, though, What do you think that means, and

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Speaker 3: Right well? It's hard to say.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the most important fact about that statement is

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Speaker 3: And that's unlike, as we.

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Speaker 2: Discussed on the program earlier, most American presidents when you've

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Speaker 2: had similar demonstrations. Here, we have really quite impressive demonstrations

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Speaker 2: and the part of the Iranian people, and President Trump,

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Speaker 3: Now, what does that mean. Doesn't mean we're going to

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Speaker 2: I think the most important thing we could do right

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Speaker 3: I'd look to that as one step that the President

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Speaker 1: One of the things I asked him was would he

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Speaker 3: He should. I think he will.

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Speaker 2: I think President Trump meets with a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: You know, He's willing to meet with almost anybody and

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Speaker 2: So I expect a meeting with Pallavi would happen in

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Speaker 2: the war of all against all, the state of nature.

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Speaker 2: That's why in Venezuela, for example, he took out Maduro,

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Speaker 2: that's why he's reluctant to jump the gun in pronouncing

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Speaker 2: who the next leader of Iran be. He wants the

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Speaker 3: I think that's a prudent move.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't preclude him from speaking with Pallavi or

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Speaker 2: speaking with the other Iranian dissidents, other factions who are

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Speaker 2: be the ones who are in Iran right now taking

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Speaker 1: You can follow him on Exit. Continetti read him at

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Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal. During the break, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: I think Iran and Venezuela and Kiba are more important.

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Speaker 1: Street Journal. Matt I was on This Morning with Dana

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Speaker 1: He's such a carnival bark her and he's in coherent.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Minnesota is seeing the fruits of long

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Speaker 3: Of Jacob fry and Tim Walls.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we're in charge of that city and that

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Speaker 2: has been extremely irresponsible, only talking using expletives to refer

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Speaker 2: saying that Minnesotans and the rest of the country. People

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Speaker 2: of goodwill should stand with Tim Walls against the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: just like the Union soldiers stood against the Confederacy. And

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Speaker 2: this is completely irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric. At precisely the

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Speaker 2: We want the investigation to proceed. We don't want things

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Speaker 2: We don't want this incident to lead to more damage,

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Speaker 2: more lost lives, more damage to property and to civil order.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we can restore a proper understanding of

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Speaker 1: it's a breakdown in constitutional literacy. There is a supremacy clause.

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Speaker 1: Are people ignorant of this at the Jacob Fry level?

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Speaker 2: They may be, but it's also a convenient ignorance because

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Speaker 2: what's really at work here is the desire of blue

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Speaker 2: state political machines to protect illegal immigration, and illegal immigration

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Speaker 2: is central to the Blue state model of governance, Hugh

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Speaker 2: openly defined to federal authority. ICE is a law enforcement body.

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Speaker 2: They are conducting legal operations to.

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Speaker 3: Enforce the law.

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Speaker 2: It is a crime to be in the United States

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Speaker 3: This should not be up for debate. It is. It's

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Speaker 2: But I believe Blue states depend almost entirely on illegal

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Speaker 2: you see the entire machine, just like a Tammany Hall,

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Speaker 1: Or That is a very good point that hasn't been

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Speaker 1: made very often. Matt Continetty well said, we'll be right

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Speaker 1: back with me. Matt, of course rights for the Wall

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Speaker 1: Matt I was recalling more than twenty years Ago, I

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Speaker 1: military action. And I've always kept that in mind since that.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the second order consequences of Operation

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Speaker 1: Absolute Resolve are? We've got Maduro? What do we else?

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost is a strategic question. You know Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: there's narco trafficking. You know, some people have described Marduro's

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Speaker 2: but you also have the access the axis of autocrats

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Speaker 2: consequences of Operation Absolute Resolve is all those powers have

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Speaker 2: I mean this started with Panama last year, where President

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Speaker 2: Panama Canal. But here we have an instance where Maduro's

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Speaker 3: Twenty four hours. One was going under a Russian flag.

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Speaker 2: It reflagged as Russian, thinking that it would protect it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the Castros and their successors have been

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Speaker 1: You know, for decades, puppets of Castro and fellow travelers

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Speaker 1: we will find out soon. Matt Cottonhoody, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining me as always, read him at the Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: the Week in Review with Ben Dominic. Yes, so many

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Speaker 1: titles though, Ben, Good, Happy New Year to you. But

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Speaker 5: Well, what I want to suggest to you, Hugh, is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ben, I want to really say the contrast.

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Speaker 5: You know, this is first off, I think complete and

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Speaker 5: brought in some people you know there who are going

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Speaker 5: to have new ideas, But how willing are the people

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Speaker 5: who actually control that ship to turn it and how

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Speaker 5: quickly can they do it, because this would be exactly

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Speaker 5: the kind of moment that would be career making in

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Speaker 5: terms of of you know, news reporting, people on the ground,

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Speaker 5: the old ways of doing things, the you know approach

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Speaker 5: that has been you know, time honored from CBS in

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Speaker 5: the past. Instead, you know, of course, we have clickbaity articles.

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Speaker 5: And you know the whole reason that Tony uh you know,

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Speaker 5: to to his to his credit, you know, went viral

446
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Speaker 5: because of a conflict over and you know interview with

447
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Speaker 5: this throw a book by by Tanny easy Coats that

448
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Speaker 5: just you know, argues that everybody's racist, particularly Israel. And

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Speaker 5: so it's one of these things where like, can we

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Speaker 5: get back to actually having news reporting and people who

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Speaker 5: are on the ground. I certainly hope so. But the

452
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Speaker 5: idea that those markets forces are going to be in

453
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Speaker 5: place instead, you're going to be forced to do the

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Speaker 5: same thing that so many other Americans do and turn

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Speaker 5: the substack to find out you know what that.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be very tough to build an audience.

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Speaker 1: Brett's people are not going to move. Are people at Fox.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to move, So they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to get the audience from ABC and NBC that is

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Speaker 1: remaining to move to CBS. But to do that, there

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Speaker 1: are any American networks allowed in Iran. But they could

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Speaker 1: partner with the French who are They could partner with

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Speaker 1: the BBC, who are to at least get some pictures,

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Speaker 1: some drama. And we've got Karam saw Jupoor. We've got

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Speaker 1: Aaron Austabar, There's Michael Durant. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who know Iran. They could be on there telling

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Speaker 1: us what's going on there. And I'm afraid that what

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Speaker 1: happens is going to happen in the dark if the

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Speaker 1: regime in fact opens up completely.

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Speaker 5: I completely agree, and I think that, I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: kind of ridiculous in this day and age, people have

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Speaker 5: the impression that everything that they see is just this

473
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Speaker 5: flood of information that we get the best access to

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Speaker 5: it from social media and X and just everyone having

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Speaker 5: a phone. That we're talking about this, you know, in

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Speaker 5: the you know, any moment in any place where that

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Speaker 5: is prevented and prevented deliberately so that people cannot see

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Speaker 5: what is going on, so people cannot see how momentous

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Speaker 5: it is. And look, I think you're completely right. We

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Speaker 5: need to have more of these voices out there, and

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Speaker 5: to a certain extent, my attitude towards the viewer side

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Speaker 5: of things is I don't care. This is too important.

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Speaker 5: You know. It's like, we can take we can take

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Speaker 5: a hit for a segment if you flipped it over

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Speaker 5: because you're interested in what's happening. It's too important and

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Speaker 5: you've got to put it in front of them, and look,

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Speaker 5: let's take the hit for the next eight minutes, and

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Speaker 5: then then we'll come back and have some cat videos,

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Speaker 5: you know, make the other folks come back.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me talk to you about cat videos for

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Speaker 1: a moment. Jacob Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis, is a

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Speaker 1: cunnibal barker. And I was on this morning with Dana

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Speaker 1: and Bill and he was he was so idiotic. In

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Speaker 1: the course of ten minutes, he said completely oppositional things.

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Speaker 1: We've got to be involved in the investigation because you

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Speaker 1: need fairness. And then he said the ice agent had

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Speaker 1: to hop in his step as he walked away, and

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Speaker 1: he was not injured. He couldn't have been holding so

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Speaker 1: in the same two minutes I was watching, he's such

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Speaker 1: an idiot.

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Speaker 5: I had not seen that. Cliff, You and I just

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Speaker 5: have to admit this is the area that you fall

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Speaker 5: behind when you are changing diapers. But this is the

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Speaker 5: thing that I think is But this is the thing

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Speaker 5: that I think is true about him. He's been a

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Speaker 5: carnival barker for a long time. We've seen his act before.

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Speaker 5: It's absolutely ridiculous. But it's I mean, I hate to

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Speaker 5: bring this into it, but I think that the reason

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Speaker 5: that he acts the way that he does is because

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Speaker 5: there's this feeling that if you're a white guy in

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party, you have to cowtow.

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Speaker 1: To everything that's true you.

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Speaker 5: I think it's true. I think it's one of these

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Speaker 5: things where that's and that's, by the way, one of

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Speaker 5: the reasons why I think Gavin Knewsome I have a

516
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Speaker 5: slightly harder time than he thinks he's going to have

517
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Speaker 5: getting that nomination, because you just have to bend over

518
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Speaker 5: backward to make every different interest group happy, to never

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Speaker 5: ruffle any feathers. And you know, I still remember the BLM,

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Speaker 5: you know, images of him, you know, masked up and

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Speaker 5: apologizing for everything, and it's I don't know about you, Hugh,

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Speaker 5: but it seems very Canadian to me.

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Speaker 1: Very very Canadian. I'm going to talk with Ben Dominic

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Speaker 1: during the break about the Big Ben podcast. He covered Venezeuela,

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Speaker 1: and he'll be back on the other side as well

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Speaker 1: as we talk about Cuba. Don't go anywhere America. I'm

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Speaker 1: cute Cube. I am back with Ben Dominic. Ben is,

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Speaker 1: of course the host of the Big Ben podcast, of

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Speaker 1: which I want two episodes a week, but he had

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Speaker 1: just had a baby, so I guess we're all going

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Speaker 1: to get one. Ben. I have saved this week's episode

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Speaker 1: about Venezuela for tomorrow morning when I'm trundling because I

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Speaker 1: need a lot of time because I'm going a little

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Speaker 1: bit longer than I normally. Do you covered Venezuela? I

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Speaker 1: know that what do you think the second order impacts are?

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Speaker 1: Six days out from the over three of Maduro.

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Speaker 5: I think that the really interesting question coming out of

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Speaker 5: this is what the Mexican government takes away from this experience?

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Speaker 5: Oh interesting now, So so let me the the argument

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Speaker 5: that I've made in the past is that as much

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Speaker 5: as Venezuela was about obviously achieving the goals that they've

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Speaker 5: been very public about, and you know, it's not like

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Speaker 5: they've been subtle, you know, the president saying, hey, they

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Speaker 5: knew we were coming, you know, has been basically true

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Speaker 5: for you know, a month plus. But I think that

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Speaker 5: the real message that this sort of sends is the

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Speaker 5: ability of the Americans when confronting you know, an American might,

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Speaker 5: when confronting a military that is not built to handle

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Speaker 5: the kind of of challenges that we can represent, are

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Speaker 5: capable of incredible things, especially when it comes to exful

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Speaker 5: trading individuals who you know, have you know, live large

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Speaker 5: in palaces, claimed to be presidents, aren't and essentially you know,

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Speaker 5: established rule over over you know, as many resources as

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Speaker 5: Maduro did. That's also something that you can do when

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Speaker 5: it comes to the leaders of cartels. It's also the

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Speaker 5: thing you can do when it comes to I believe

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Speaker 5: many of the key Mexican figures who quite frankly, you know,

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Speaker 5: should I believe, be behaving quite differently in their attitude

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Speaker 5: towards the Americans right now. Shinbaum and her leadership is

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Speaker 5: not really the target here. It's more about what America

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Speaker 5: is willing to do when it comes to fighting this

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Speaker 5: broader drug war. And the President has clearly, you know,

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Speaker 5: basically taken on the attitude that this border situation that

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Speaker 5: he has, which is so incredible. Of course, we've seen

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Speaker 5: the statistics that that's temporary, that that's something that the

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Speaker 5: Mexican cartels are deciding to do because he's in office,

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Speaker 5: and that they're just biding their time and waiting to

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Speaker 5: open the floodgates again, send as many people north as

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Speaker 5: they want to, you know, profit from them along the way,

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Speaker 5: and then use them, frankly here to continue their indentured service. Effectively,

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Speaker 5: that's something that he doesn't want to be a legacy

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Speaker 5: that happened after he leaves office. And that's what I

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Speaker 5: think is kind of an underlying element of this one

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Speaker 5: more thing though, I also think this is a message

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Speaker 5: to his administration and to a lot of people within

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Speaker 5: his coalition about the way that the President views his

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Speaker 5: role when it comes to the Western hemisphere. There was

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Speaker 5: a lot of nice talk, or a lot of I

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Speaker 5: would say bold talk about you know, the President shifting

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Speaker 5: his priorities to that in his second term from a

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Speaker 5: lot of different supporters, including some people who had, you know,

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Speaker 5: some issues with how bold he's been in a number

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Speaker 5: of different moves. But I think he's sending the message, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm serious about that. I really do mean that. In

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Speaker 5: terms of my approach. And people can laugh about the

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Speaker 5: toun Road doctor or what have you, but I think

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Speaker 5: he's sending the message internally as well. No I decide

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Speaker 5: what America first means about policy. You know. MTG doesn't

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Speaker 5: get to decide that anymore. Piece upon her and instead,

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Speaker 5: you know, you have to listen to the commander in

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Speaker 5: chief when it.

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Speaker 1: Comes to these things, and when he makes a threat,

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Speaker 1: and I think the molas are well advised when he

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Speaker 1: makes a threat, pay attention. I'll be right back with

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Speaker 1: Ben dominic Don't go anywhere, America. Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Ben Dominich, Fox News contributor, hosts of

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Speaker 1: the Big Ben podcast, and of course contributing editor at

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Speaker 1: large to The Spectator. We were talking doing the break,

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Speaker 1: Ben and I about Mexico and the cartels, and before

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Speaker 1: I get back to President Trump, then a quick question.

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Speaker 1: If he strikes at the cartels, do you think he

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Speaker 1: will do it visibly and so everyone knows he's done it,

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Speaker 1: or will he go like John Clark and the Tom

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Speaker 1: Clancy novel so memorably played by Willem Dafoe. Will we

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Speaker 1: do it?

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Speaker 5: Sub Rosa, Yeah, I mean I first off clear in

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Speaker 5: Present Danger a great movie. Great movie. But anyway, the

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Speaker 5: thing that I think is very interesting about this, and

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Speaker 5: I have written this before, is that I think that

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Speaker 5: anything that would be done in terms of a move

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Speaker 5: against the cartels would be branded and put forward by

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Speaker 5: the United States and by the State Department, being done

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Speaker 5: with the full and friendly cooperation of the Mexican government,

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Speaker 5: that it would be that that is the way it

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Speaker 5: is going to be presented, regardless of if there's any

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Speaker 5: truth to that at all, and this likelihood is there

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Speaker 5: is not going to be any truth to that, but

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Speaker 5: that is the way it will be presented. And a

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Speaker 5: lot of people are going to have to smile and

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Speaker 5: grin and go along with it because of just the

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Speaker 5: nature of things. One more point about that, Hugh, I

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Speaker 5: mean Marco Rubio, Man, it's just like he's everywhere. He's

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Speaker 5: you know, and I'm not just talking about the memes.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's currently up for about ten different NFL jobs. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But here's the thing that I think is interesting about this.

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Speaker 5: You know, again, the President is saying, I define what

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Speaker 5: my foreign policy is going to be. I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to be defined by people who are outside who claim

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Speaker 5: to be close to me and who feel like they

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Speaker 5: influence me. Donald Trump listens to a lot of people,

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Speaker 5: but then he makes his own decisions. And I think

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Speaker 5: that's what we've in this past week, and I think

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Speaker 5: it's going to be what we continue to see in

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Speaker 5: this administration.

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Speaker 1: About Marco Rubya, Ben, you're one of the few young

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Speaker 1: concertoves who sat down and interviewed the president, so you

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Speaker 1: know what it's like. You got to be on your

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Speaker 1: toes on Thursday and talking to him, and Secretary Rubia

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Speaker 1: walks into the oval. I'm on the phone, so oh,

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Speaker 1: mark A. Rubia walked in. How's he doing you? He's

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Speaker 1: got a little Cuban blood in him. You've got to

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Speaker 1: be willing to be ready to answer a question. And

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, the equal of any Secretary State

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Speaker 1: in my lifetime, because he's done the Kissinger thing, n

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Speaker 1: SC and that. But do you think his being Cuban

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Speaker 1: makes it more or less likely that we goll in

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Speaker 1: on Cuba quickly?

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Speaker 5: I think it may actually slow the role slightly, because

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Speaker 5: I think that there's going to be a feeling that,

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Speaker 5: you know, how how quickly do we really want to

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Speaker 5: lean into so many different things at once? And is

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Speaker 5: this something that the American people really want at this

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Speaker 5: particular moment. The only reason that I feel that way,

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Speaker 5: beyond beyond the fact that he's Cuban or not, is

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Speaker 5: you know, the president's bitten off so much and he's

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Speaker 5: taken on so much. We're starting to see some real

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Speaker 5: silver linings when it comes to the economy, things you know,

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Speaker 5: are hopeful for among Republicans for the first time and

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Speaker 5: I think a while, because they really do believe that

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Speaker 5: once these tax refunds start going out that you're going

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Speaker 5: to see people's attitudes change on that number. And of

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Speaker 5: course that number includes a lot of the President's Hispanic supporters,

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Speaker 5: not just Cubans, but others as well. And so do

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Speaker 5: you want to you know, sort of potentially inject something

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Speaker 5: into this that would lean into that even more heavily,

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Speaker 5: or do you want to sort of say, well, let's

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Speaker 5: let this play out a little bit more, whether regardless

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Speaker 5: of rolling the dice in a midterm yere all right.

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Speaker 1: Now, last question for you, Ben, as I said you've

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Speaker 1: shut down with the president in the conversation on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: I asked him, we got a bunch of young conservatives

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Speaker 1: who are forty five and younger who you know, he

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Speaker 1: spent two hours with The New York Times. Why aren't

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Speaker 1: you talking to Guy Benson and Spencer Brown and Mary

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Speaker 1: Catherine Hann So they have an ass and you know,

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Speaker 1: they've got the best comms team that I've ever worked with,

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Speaker 1: between Caroline and Steven and Margo and Natalie. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's great. Do you think our side just doesn't know

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Speaker 1: to ask?

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Speaker 5: Well, Hugh, I'll tell you this. I always ask. I

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Speaker 5: always ask. Now you have to pick the right timing

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Speaker 5: to ask, and you have to, you know, have the

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Speaker 5: right route and the right you know, sort of angle

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Speaker 5: to get in. Sometimes with this president I have, you know,

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Speaker 5: I've interviewed him a couple of times, you know, the

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Speaker 5: last time was about a year ago. I hope to

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Speaker 5: be interviewing again soon. And I think it's always important

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Speaker 5: to ask. It's just as important as asking. It's a

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Speaker 5: politician who forgets to ask you to vote for them. Yes,

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Speaker 5: you actually have to ask at the end. And that's

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Speaker 5: a big difference in terms of in terms of opening

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Speaker 5: up doors and having the opportunity to talk to this

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Speaker 5: younger generation. Look, the President's clearly willing to talk to

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Speaker 5: the people who are who are you know in that

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Speaker 5: subsisty range because he's hired a bunch of them to

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Speaker 5: be in his cabinet. Yeah, it's definitely something that I think.

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Speaker 5: I hope more people lean into it, in part because

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Speaker 5: I think we'll get a lot of interesting answers to

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Speaker 5: interesting questions.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Just bring your a game and the question set will

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Speaker 1: be so different from the one I come with, and

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Speaker 1: that would be good for everyone. Ben Dominicch The Big

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Speaker 1: Ben Podcast. I look forward to listening to it on

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Speaker 1: the Long Trundle tomorrow and I appreciate your spending time

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Speaker 1: with me. Welcome to the Weekend. I'm Hewett and many

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Speaker 1: of my new audience in Pensacola, Florida my new affiliate

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Speaker 1: up in Michigan. They will not know my next guest,

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Speaker 1: John Ellis. John is the founder and principal editor of

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Speaker 1: News Items, but everybody else who listens to the program

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Speaker 1: knows John is here every weekend to go over the

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Speaker 1: big news of the week. I've been talking a lot

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Speaker 1: about Iran, John, and I are going to start, interestingly

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Speaker 1: enough with Cuba. John, you sent me the news today

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Speaker 1: that Cuba has touched bottom. Let's start there. What does

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Speaker 1: bottom mean. I talked about Cuba with President Trump on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: But what do you think the bottom means for Cuba?

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Speaker 7: The bottom means there's no electricity, there is no gas

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Speaker 7: for petrol for your car, and the social safety net

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Speaker 7: that Cuba has prided itself on since the Castro Revolution

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Speaker 7: has completely collapsed. What follows the collapse of a social

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Speaker 7: safety net and the inability to turn on a light

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Speaker 7: bulb we do not know, but we can certainly guess

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Speaker 7: that it isn't going to be easy.

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Speaker 1: Well, the second order impact of the Venezuelan operation is,

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Speaker 1: as you pointed out to me, there's no friend left

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Speaker 1: for Cuba. I suppose China and Russia might send them

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Speaker 1: some stuff, but weren't they basically a venezuhale in dependency

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Speaker 1: until this.

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Speaker 7: Week they were basically you know, Cuba up until the

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Speaker 7: collapse of the Soviet Union was essentially a dependent of

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Speaker 7: the Soviet Union, and that was their last major crisis.

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Speaker 7: When the Soviet Union went under, they lost that support.

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Speaker 7: It was, you know, it wasn't quite clear that the

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Speaker 7: regime stand it. Did things went along, Venezuela became a

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Speaker 7: major you know, patronage or a patron of the of

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Speaker 7: the Cuban arts, so to speak. And they have been

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Speaker 7: propping up Cuba for a long time. And the Russians

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Speaker 7: and the Chinese have a lot of business with Venezuela,

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Speaker 7: so they're sort of, you know, active in the same

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Speaker 7: job of keeping Cuba afloat and lo and behold. Trump

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Speaker 7: comes along and changes, you know, tips over the entire

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Speaker 7: chess board. Russia doesn't want to help Cuba now because

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Speaker 7: Russia doesn't want to get in the donosphere. If you will,

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Speaker 7: China same thing. They don't want to get in Trump's

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Speaker 7: way in the Western hemisphere. They'll worry about their scope

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Speaker 7: of influence. So you don't have China, you don't have Russia,

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Speaker 7: and now you don't have Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're thinking.

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Speaker 7: Nineteen seventy nine, there was something called the Mariel boat lift,

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Speaker 7: which was Cuban refugees that essentially Castro threw out of

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Speaker 7: the country and they came to Florida and you know,

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Speaker 7: delivered Florida for Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty this Mario

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Speaker 7: both left. It's not going to be like that, but

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Speaker 7: there's going to be something like it. Because if the

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Speaker 7: social safety net has collapsed and you can't turn the

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Speaker 7: lights on.

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Speaker 1: You have to go somewhere where.

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Speaker 7: There's some kind of service, and if it's not Havana,

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Speaker 7: it's I don't know that the Ministrd in Republic or

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Speaker 7: some other Caribbean island or the US.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I were talking about this and Trump on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: he professed to say he didn't know what more could

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Speaker 1: be done to put pressure on the dictatorship down there,

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Speaker 1: because they're short of invasion and bombing, which we're not

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Speaker 1: in the about to do. And John, you just mentioned

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. We're doing a lot of nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: nine again, that's when the Shaw had to leave Iran

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Speaker 1: and the people were in the streets. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you, as the old NBC nukes guy and for

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the new listeners in Michigan and Pensacola.

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Speaker 1: John's news items is the sub stack I begin with

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Speaker 1: every day and what you might want to subscribe to.

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Speaker 1: If you want a new summary every morning, just look

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Speaker 1: up news Items by John Ellison. You'll be able to

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Speaker 1: subscribe when you're at NBC. It seemed to me that

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Speaker 1: the networks covered every day the Iranian revolution. I would

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Speaker 1: sit in the office with Richard Nixon and Ray Price

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Speaker 1: and we would watch every day the mobs that the

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Speaker 1: crowds chant for the downfall, the show where are the

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Speaker 1: networks right now? Are they not going to cover Iran?

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Speaker 1: It's a funny thing.

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Speaker 7: One's difficult to get in, right, It's difficult to get accredited.

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Speaker 7: So the British and French and a lot of the

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Speaker 7: European journalists are in there, but US networks are.

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Speaker 1: Forbidden to go there. But you're right.

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Speaker 7: In nineteen seventy nine, actually the overthrow of the Shah

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Speaker 7: and the rise of Viatola Homini led to a hostage crisis,

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Speaker 7: as everybody remembers, and that hostage crisis became the show

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Speaker 7: called Nightline, hosted by Ted Koppol who every single night,

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Speaker 7: you know, day one sixty seven of the hostage crisis,

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Speaker 7: Day one seventy of the hostage crisis. It carried through

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Speaker 7: all the way to the presidential election and had a

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Speaker 7: significant role in the regular landslide in nineteen eighty There's

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Speaker 7: no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope Starlink is up and running. Let's go

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Speaker 1: from bad news to great news. You sent me the

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Speaker 1: news about Rice. Rice rice and educate our audience because

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Speaker 1: I think this is fabulous.

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Speaker 7: Well, there's a there's a report in the South China

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Speaker 7: Morning Post that says that Chinese research have developed quote

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Speaker 7: a form of hybrid rice that can replicate itself through

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Speaker 7: seeds that are clones, preserving high yield traits generation after

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Speaker 7: generation according to the development team, which means that the

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Speaker 7: cost of seeds are collapse essentially, and the yield and

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Speaker 7: the ability to fight us increases exponentially. And so the

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Speaker 7: theory is that you can with this technology drow twice

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Speaker 7: as much rice as you have been able to grow

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Speaker 7: in the past, and therefore feed twice as many people, which,

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Speaker 7: given that roughly two and a quarter billion people are

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Speaker 7: said to experience moderate or severe food insecurity, doubling the

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Speaker 7: food supply of rice is an enormous, enormously good news.

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Speaker 1: All glory too. I think I've got the name right.

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Speaker 1: Norman Borlock was the University of Minnesota researcher Iowa likes

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Speaker 1: to always say he came from US who invented these

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Speaker 1: kind of drought resistance seeds and genetically altered seeds. That's

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Speaker 1: great news. Now from bad news to great news, let's

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Speaker 1: go to weird News because you're weirded me out. When

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Speaker 1: you told me about the Meta ray bands, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure I like this, but you tell us about them.

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Speaker 7: Well, Meta, which is Facebook, the parent company Facebook, has

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Speaker 7: developed a smart glass, smart glasses. I'm wearing glasses and

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Speaker 7: these would be if I had them meta eyes, they

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Speaker 7: would be smart glasses, and they've partnered with ray band,

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Speaker 7: try to be cool. But what the smart glasses enables

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Speaker 7: is let's say that I go into a restaurant and

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Speaker 7: you're over in the corner. I don't know who you are,

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Speaker 7: but I see you over in the corner. I think

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Speaker 7: I know who you are. I wonder who you are.

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Speaker 7: So I turn on my smart glasses, and my smart

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Speaker 7: glasses look at you and they do a photo id

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Speaker 7: rapidly as fast as the Internet can go, and up

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Speaker 7: pop Set's Hugh Hewitt, and so you know, oh, Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 7: That's great. And then I say, well, I need to

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Speaker 7: see his page. And so Wikipedia page comes down and

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Speaker 7: there is everything there is about Hugh Hewitt. And then

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Speaker 7: I say, well, let me let me see what his

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Speaker 7: last three shows have been about, and that comes down

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Speaker 7: right in front of you. So that by the time

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Speaker 7: I get to your table, I say, I say Hugh

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Speaker 7: in a familiar sort of way, and I say, Hugh,

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Speaker 7: I really enjoyed the show you did with President Trump

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Speaker 7: the other day.

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Speaker 1: It was great. Yeah, that's so weird, John.

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Speaker 7: They're looking at me like, who is this guy?

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Speaker 1: Is so weird? I hope it doesn't work, but I

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Speaker 1: think what you say that they it works. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 7: The reason they stop shipping it overseas is because demand

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Speaker 7: in the US is so high.

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Speaker 1: Well, every politician is going to everyone who looked for

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Speaker 1: votes is going to demand that their staff have this

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Speaker 1: on too. It'll be like the whisper behind the Pope.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got to get the sleep FM because

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Speaker 1: this is also great news. And I think it's great news.

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Speaker 1: At least it's news that you can use.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: So there's a there's a Stanford Medical School did this

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Speaker 7: huge research project on people's sleep and they did so

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Speaker 7: to figure if you could predict a person's risk of

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Speaker 7: developing more than one hundred health conditions just by looking

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Speaker 7: at the sleep data. And so they did this enormous

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Speaker 7: AI undertaking. They analyzed more than a thousand disease categories

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Speaker 7: in the health records and found one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 7: could be predicted with reasonable accuracy by a patient's sleep data.

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Speaker 7: The model's predictions were particularly strong for cancers, pregnancy complications,

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Speaker 7: circulatory conditions, and mental disorders. So you know, you can

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Speaker 7: your wife can sneak in and put them put the

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Speaker 7: helmet on you, and she can say you you're not

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Speaker 7: at at risk for cancer.

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Speaker 1: That's good news. But we also have to sneak in

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Speaker 1: before we're done with time. Don't buy Russian air defense systems, right,

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Speaker 1: they're not worrying if that was the story.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the whole Russian military story is just an astonishing,

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Speaker 7: you know, example of incompetence and just breaking down. I mean,

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Speaker 7: the war that they were going to win in three

877
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Speaker 7: days in Ukraine is now in year four. And the

878
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Speaker 7: air defense system that they had in Ukraine, I mean

879
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Speaker 7: in Venezuela didn't work.

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Speaker 1: Like it didn't work in Iran. John Ellis always good

881
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Speaker 1: to talk. You followed John on x at Ellis items

882
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Speaker 1: and subscribe to news items if you want to be

883
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Speaker 1: informed in about fifteen minutes every morning. It's a substact.

884
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Speaker 1: Just googled John Ellison the news items. You'll go there.

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Speaker 1: It's fabulous. Thank you, John, I'll be right back in

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Speaker 1: America's pictures. Welcome back in America on you, Hewett. And

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Speaker 1: we are all lucky to have Eli Lake in the house.

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Speaker 1: Eli Lake is with the Free Press. He's also the

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Speaker 1: host of the Breaking History podcast, which is fabulous. But

890
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Speaker 1: when I say there may be a dozen Americans upon

891
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Speaker 1: whom you can rely when the news turns to Iran,

892
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Speaker 1: and Elia is one of them, just trust me on this.

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Speaker 1: He's been covering Iran in a way that very few

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Speaker 1: people careem sad you pour over Carnegie. I think af

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Speaker 1: Sean Austavar, who wrote The Vanguard, or the m Mom,

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Speaker 1: Michael Duran. There are a number of people who cover

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Speaker 1: but I don't know anyone Eli, who's covered Iran as

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Speaker 1: long as you that I talked to. So just give

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Speaker 1: us your assessment of what is happening and what this

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Speaker 1: weekend might bring.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't start off by saying that there's a

902
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Speaker 4: lot that we don't know, and we have to accept

903
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Speaker 4: that there are dynamics that we can't possibly know. And

904
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Speaker 4: even I don't think you know, the CIA and the

905
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Speaker 4: Massade would know. And that is what is the mentality

906
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Speaker 4: of the mid level officers in the BASIG which is

907
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Speaker 4: their militia, the MOIS which is their intelligence services, and

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Speaker 4: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. Because I think that at

909
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Speaker 4: a certain point, the way that revolutions are successful is

910
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Speaker 4: when there is an understanding that the commanding officer in

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Speaker 4: the street will not follow the orders to fire on

912
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Speaker 4: the crowds. And the fact that Donald Trump has credibly

913
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Speaker 4: threatened the regime if they fire on the crowds, and

914
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Speaker 4: they have there has been I think, you know, some

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Speaker 4: say as many of forty have been killed. That might

916
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Speaker 4: give people pause because I mean, look at what just

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Speaker 4: happened to Nicholas Medora. So that's the first thing. We

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Speaker 4: don't know what that dynamic is. By way of historical president,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't just the big crowds that came out against

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Speaker 4: the Shah Rezapalavi in nineteen seventy eight that forced the

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Speaker 4: Shah to leave. It was the fact that there was

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Speaker 4: a kind of amnesty that was communicated from Iatola Komani

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Speaker 4: when he was in Paris to the military that said,

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Speaker 4: if you do not fire on the on the crowds,

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Speaker 4: if you do not make the arrests, then things will

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Speaker 4: be okay for you now. Very important to note I

927
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Speaker 4: Toolakomany as soon as he came into power, violated his promise.

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Speaker 4: He was lying, and he did target the military leadership

929
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Speaker 4: in incredibly cruel show trials that lasted in some cases

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Speaker 4: maybe twenty minutes and then led immediately to a horrific

931
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Speaker 4: kind of executions. They were covered all over the newspapers.

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Speaker 4: It was absolutely terrifying, kind of real jacub in moment.

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Speaker 4: But that is in some ways the kind of communications

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Speaker 4: that we have to see right now. I think the

935
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Speaker 4: local police in the big cities we've already seen reports

936
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Speaker 4: are basically with the protesters. I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 4: the kind of very neutered and not as powerful Iranian army,

938
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Speaker 4: not the IRGC, was with the protesters, but those key institutions.

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Speaker 4: Now here's where I would say it's different than before.

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Speaker 4: The first thing is this that ring of fire meant

941
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Speaker 4: that the Iranians had the proxy network in the region,

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Speaker 4: meant they could call up non Iranians, they could call

943
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Speaker 4: up Lebanese Hesbalah other Arabs forces that were part of

944
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Speaker 4: their broader kind of regional strategy to do violence against

945
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Speaker 4: their own citizens. I don't think they have that option

946
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Speaker 4: good option anymore. Number Two, the economic crisis is worse

947
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Speaker 4: than it's been compounded by a potable drinking water crisis.

948
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Speaker 4: A few months ago, we started seeing messages from the

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Speaker 4: president saying we're gonna have to start rationeting drinking water.

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Speaker 4: That is an extraordinary statement in a country with as

951
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Speaker 4: many natural resources as Iran. And then add to all

952
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Speaker 4: of that the humiliation of the Twelve Day war. That

953
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Speaker 4: was when you know, the Israelis and the US knew

954
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Speaker 4: where Kamena was and he was in an undisclosed location

955
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Speaker 4: and they made it clear that they could kill him,

956
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Speaker 4: and he was hiding from the public for the whole

957
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Speaker 4: duration of the war. That kind of humiliation also has

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Speaker 4: an effect on everybody else, all of the other henchmen

959
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Speaker 4: and goons around him. That is the kind of thing

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Speaker 4: that the Iranian people see, and you know, we're already

961
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Speaker 4: seeing like the energy of the regime, the ideology. This

962
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Speaker 4: is an Islamic republic. They believed that they had a mandate.

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Speaker 4: They never did, but they believe they had a mandate

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Speaker 4: from the Iranian people to create this kind of Islamic

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Speaker 4: fascist regime that relied on things like women dressing modestly

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Speaker 4: and having go.

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Speaker 1: The ware of the Hajjab.

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Speaker 4: They were unable to enforce the Hjjab mandate only a

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Speaker 4: few years after the original women life freedom protests after

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Speaker 4: the killing of Masa Alani Ashad. That is very important

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Speaker 4: because it means like the kind of reason to exist

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Speaker 4: if you're the Islamic Republic no longer has purchased from

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Speaker 4: most of the Iranian people.

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Speaker 1: All of those are very important. Let me bring up

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Speaker 1: finally a detail that I read yesterday. I read this more.

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Speaker 1: There was a bank run yesterday and Tehran and whatever

977
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Speaker 1: small worth the weal has, people are trying to get

978
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Speaker 1: as much as they can out of the banks beforehand.

979
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Speaker 1: As President Trump told me on Thursday and then he

980
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Speaker 1: told Sean Henity on Thursday night, he'll hit them very hard.

981
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: He gave them a little bit of an out for

982
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Speaker 1: the deaths that have occurred today, blaming it on stampede.

983
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Speaker 1: But where would he hit them, Eli, from your perspective,

984
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Speaker 1: that would hit them very hard.

985
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Speaker 4: Well, certainly he can target you know, the sort of

986
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Speaker 4: symbol the buildings of Regima pressions, the irgy headquarters, things

987
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 4: like that, those kinds of things ev in prison where

988
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Speaker 4: there were so many political prisoners that would be good,

989
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 4: and then I think there's an implicit threat that he'll

990
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Speaker 4: kill comedy. I mean, we remember the Israelis were able

991
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Speaker 4: to pinpoint the entire military leadership right and get them

992
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Speaker 4: to go to a meeting which was a pretext, which

993
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Speaker 4: was kind of a because they'd hack their communitys and

994
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Speaker 4: then blew them up in a meeting they thought was

995
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Speaker 4: supposed to be, you know, the plan the response to

996
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Speaker 4: the Israeli war. So that's you know, I would if

997
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Speaker 4: I was in the leadership class, I'd be very worried

998
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Speaker 4: about that. And then I'd say the final thing is

999
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Speaker 4: that we've seen enough slogans calling for the restoration of

1000
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Speaker 4: the Polavi dynasty. That is an extraordinary thing as a

1001
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Speaker 4: fan of history.

1002
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Speaker 3: Hugh Hewett.

1003
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to happen.

1004
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: I don't think we necessarily know, but what an amazing

1005
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 4: moment if that we really saw the Islamic Revolution as

1006
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Speaker 4: only like a kind of you know, forty seven year

1007
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Speaker 4: interregnum between what has been the traditional form of governing,

1008
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Speaker 4: which is a kind of you know, I would hope

1009
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Speaker 4: it to be a constitutional monarchy, but Iran has had kings

1010
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 4: going back to the chemended Persian Empire. And the thing

1011
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Speaker 4: was that Colmene was saying, this is the end of

1012
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: Iranian kings. What it wouldn't it be interesting if his

1013
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 4: regime fell, only to see the restoration the son of

1014
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: the Shah that was exiled and the.

1015
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Speaker 1: Great Persia of old, the Cyrus of old, comeback eli

1016
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Speaker 1: very quickly. I watched this on television with Ray Price

1017
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: on one side and Richard Nixon on the other side. When

1018
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Speaker 1: I was a young editorial Assisiant to RN and Exile

1019
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: and San Clementy. It was twenty four to seven on

1020
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Speaker 1: the three networks, and I think CNN and seventy eight

1021
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Speaker 1: and seventy nine. Where are the networks? Where's the American media?

1022
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: This is the biggest story in the world.

1023
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like, I don't know what to say.

1024
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: In my view, there's enough video that there's no excuse

1025
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Speaker 4: for it at this point. I mean, I don't have

1026
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Speaker 4: any insight into CBS, even though we're now part of

1027
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Speaker 4: the same company, but I know that CBS has done

1028
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Speaker 4: some work on it. I probably expect more, But I

1029
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Speaker 4: agree with you, it's a huge story at this point.

1030
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Speaker 1: It's not hype.

1031
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: And even if this doesn't work this time, it's the

1032
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: beginning of the end. It changes. I mean at this point,

1033
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 4: I think the regime has been exposed. It's illegitimate, and

1034
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 4: I think that that changes the calculus. I don't think

1035
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Speaker 4: there are any more deals. Even if there's a democratic

1036
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 4: president and they're still kind of limping along. There's no

1037
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 4: way you can get back to the kind of Obama diplomacy.

1038
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Speaker 4: What business, what bank, what oil company would want to

1039
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: do business with this regime given what we're seeing.

1040
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: Right now, well said, and if they massacre people, I

1041
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Speaker 1: hope it's not just the United States who respond. Eli

1042
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Speaker 1: Lake can be followed on x at Eli Lake at

1043
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Speaker 1: the Free Press, Way Rights frequently so of course breaking history.

1044
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Speaker 1: One of you are muck listening to podcasts, maybe you'll

1045
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: be telling you about from the show to the Crown

1046
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Speaker 1: Prince Since thank you, Eli Lake. Good morning, Gloria and

1047
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: Amy Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewett, proud to welcome back

1048
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Speaker 1: to the UUs Show President Donald Trump. Happy new year,

1049
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: mister Trump. Good to have you back.

1050
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 6: Well, thank you very much, you.

1051
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I don't want to waste your time,

1052
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to dive right in and begin with Iran.

1053
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Speaker 1: Michael Durant at the Hudson Institute says, the regime there

1054
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Speaker 1: is failing. They have fuel shortages, electricity shortages, water shortage.

1055
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Speaker 1: Reem Sajiport. Carnegie is posting the videos of the spreading protests.

1056
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Speaker 1: Mark Dubovitz. So this is a quote. If President Trump

1057
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Speaker 1: brings down the Islamic Republic of Iran, he will cement

1058
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Speaker 1: his place as the greatest foreign policy presidents in Toronald Reagan,

1059
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Speaker 1: I think it would.

1060
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Speaker 6: Actually I already did that.

1061
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Speaker 1: I thought I was just about that with Midnight Hammer.

1062
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Speaker 1: You did that?

1063
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: How much?

1064
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Speaker 5: Well can I do?

1065
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Speaker 6: You know? We just had Venezuela, which has had Midnight Hammer.

1066
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Speaker 6: We settled eight wars, eight in the quarter. But I'm

1067
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Speaker 6: willing to accept that. I'm willing to accept it.

1068
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Speaker 1: What about Iran? Is the aim with Iran the collapse

1069
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Speaker 1: of that awful forty seven year tyranny.

1070
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't want to say it, but I will

1071
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Speaker 6: tell you they're not doing well. As you know, probably

1072
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Speaker 6: better than anybody. They're doing very poorly. And I have

1073
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Speaker 6: let them know that if they start killing people, which

1074
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Speaker 6: they tend to do during their riots, they have lots

1075
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Speaker 6: of riots. If they do it, we're going to hit

1076
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Speaker 6: them very hard.

1077
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Speaker 1: Now, dozens have been killed. I know you don't do

1078
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Speaker 1: red lines, but if you communicated to them what that

1079
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Speaker 1: limit of your patience is.

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Speaker 6: Well, some have been killed by problems of crowd control

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Speaker 6: and other things. We're watching it very closely. The crowds

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00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 6: are so large. There's been a stampede. There's been three stampedes,

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Speaker 6: and people have been killed in that. And I'm not

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00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 6: sure I can necessarily hold somebody responsible for that. But

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00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 6: they know, and they've been told very strongly, even more

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Speaker 6: strongly than I'm speaking to you right now, that if

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Speaker 6: they do that, they're going to have to pay. Hell.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a message for the people of Iran,

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00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: President Trunk?

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Speaker 6: All I can say is you should. You should feel

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Speaker 6: strongly about freedom. There's nothing like freedom, your brave people.

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Speaker 6: It's a shame what's happened to your country. Your country

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 6: was a great country. I remember years ago when I

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00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 6: was a young real estate developer. Friends of mine went

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00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 6: to Iran and they did great. They built buildings in Iran.

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00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 6: They're still up, barely by the way, but they're still up.

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00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 6: I see pictures of the apartment houses and they did

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00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 6: very well in Iran. They've passed away. They were very

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 6: successful developers. They were great people, mostly New York developments,

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Speaker 6: but they went to Iran and they built some pretty

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Speaker 6: good jobs in Iran. And I remember they were saying

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Speaker 6: that people are great. The whole place was great. It

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Speaker 6: was a tremendous market. And now you look at it,

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00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 6: Look what's happened.

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Speaker 1: I sat in the office of former President Nixon with

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Speaker 1: Great Price on a couch with our end watching the

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00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: fall of the shot, and he just kept shaking his head.

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00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: He couldn't believe Jimmy Carter was letting it happen. Would

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00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: you meet with Crown Prince Poblby Poblai, who is the

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: heir to the constitutional monarchy. He doesn't want to rule.

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 1: He would be a symbolic ruler like King Charles Well.

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Speaker 6: I've watched him and he seemed like a nice person.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not sure that it would be appropriate at

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00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 6: this point to do that. As president. I think that

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00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 6: we should let everybody go out there and we see

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00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 6: who emerges. I'm not sure necessarily that I it would

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 6: be an appropriate thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Let me switch to China, mister President, last time we talked,

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01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: and now he's ask you this. I asked you about

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Lai, who was dying in real time. He's been convicted.

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Speaker 1: Have you talked to Jijenping? I know you get along

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 6: I have. I have. I talked to him, and I

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Speaker 6: mentioned Jimmy Lae. I don't know Jimmy Lai. I know

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Speaker 6: of Jimmy Lai, and he was an activist, to put

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01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 6: it mildly by a positive activist. But if you're Presidency,

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01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 6: he wasn't a positive activist. I spoke to Presidency when

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Speaker 6: I was in South Korea and we had a great

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Speaker 6: talk about it, and I left it with him. He

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01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 6: didn't give me an answer one way or the other.

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01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 6: But obviously so far it hasn't been I got a

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01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 6: lot of other answers that turned out positive. I haven't

1133
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 6: heard back on that one.

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Speaker 1: If Jimmy Lai was free, would you consider that to

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Speaker 1: be a very significant gesture by China?

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Speaker 6: I would. I think it would be a great thing.

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 6: I think I told Presidency that he's an old man

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 6: who's very sick. I met his son, who was a

1139
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 6: very nice young man who loves his father a lot.

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Speaker 6: His son is the primary person that's working very hard

1141
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 6: to get him out, and I felt I owed it

1142
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Speaker 6: to the son. I like the son. I mean, look,

1143
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 6: I don't know him, but I met him fairly briefly.

1144
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 6: But I love that he was fighting hard for his father.

1145
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 6: I thought that was I'd like to see sons that

1146
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 6: fight hard for fathers, and he was certainly doing that.

1147
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 6: And I mentioned it during my meeting early on in

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 6: my meeting as a list of things that I'd like

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 6: to talk about, but we have not heard back on

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01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 6: that one.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me turn to Cuba, mister president. For

1152
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: sixty seven years, that police state dictatorship has sucked the

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01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: life blood out of the people of that island. Is

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01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: it time to increase the pressure there, maybe even quarantine

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01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: it as you have Venezuela.

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01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 6: Well, I don't think you could have much more pressure

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01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 6: other than going in and blasting the hell out of

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01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 6: the place. Look, they are their whole life blood, their

1159
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 6: whole life was Venezuela. They got their oil, they got

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 6: their money from Venezuela. And as you know, our great

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01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 6: soldiers when and we had nobody killed, they lost many

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01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 6: Cuban fighters during that battle. Many amazing job that the

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Speaker 6: American soldiers had led by a man who happens to

1164
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 6: be sitting right next to me. General Caine a job.

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01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 6: What a job he did, and Pete Hegseth did, and

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01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 6: the whole group, what a job they all did. It's amazing. Actually,

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 6: John Ratcliffe is walking in, Marco Rubio is walking in.

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Speaker 6: We have a whole group of people here. They're all

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01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 6: fans of yours. They're not walking in to listen to

1170
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Speaker 6: this call. They just happened to be walking in for

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Speaker 6: the next meeting.

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Speaker 1: I got a little advice for you, mister President. Don't

1173
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: play golf and give strokes to Director Ratcliffe. Don't do that.

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01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: Don't give many strokes.

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01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 6: He's a good golfer and a very he's a very

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01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 6: good guy too.

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Speaker 1: Back to Cuba, Miguel Diaz Canal, do you think he

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01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: could fall like Haminy and Iran might fall?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I think I Look, I think that Cuba is

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Speaker 6: hanging by a thread. Cuba's in big trouble. Look, Cuba

1181
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 6: got all of its money for protecting. They were like

1182
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 6: a protector. They're tough, strong people, they're great people. Marco

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01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 6: has a little Cuban blood in him. I think Marco's

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01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 6: not doing a bad job, right? What do you think?

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01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 6: Can I ask you one question? How is Marco Rubio doing?

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01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: Is the equal of any secretary of State of my lifetime.

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01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: And I'm glad he's not taking the Dolphins job. He

1188
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: should work for the Browns. If he leaves your administration,

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01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: that's right, all right.

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Speaker 6: He goes will be successful. But no, I think that

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 6: I think that Cuba is really in a lot of trouble.

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 6: But you know, people have been saying that for many years,

1193
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 6: in all fairness about Cuban. Cuba has been in trouble

1194
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 6: for the last forty five years, and you know they

1195
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 6: haven't quite gone down, but I think they're pretty close

1196
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 6: of their own volition.

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Speaker 1: I want to try and define the Trump doctrine, mister President.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to do it on the air. It's

1199
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Speaker 1: down to that, don't kill or threaten Americans or our

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01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: property or American security in general, or we will hit

1201
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: you very very hard.

1202
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 6: Is that the and included in theirs don't send drugs

1203
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 6: and don't send things that are going to kill our people.

1204
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 6: But you can you can sort of make the savement

1205
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 6: that you've indirectly said that, but it's a pretty direct staatement,

1206
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 6: don't send drugs into our country.

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Speaker 1: It's a great doctrine. Now the next question. I'm a

1208
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: Salem host of Fox Contributors. This is a bit unusual.

1209
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: Brett Bair does the best interviews with you. I'm exempting

1210
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: myself from consideration, but I think you got to give

1211
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: Tony Dokapohl a chance over at CBS to see if

1212
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: they've really changed their ways. Is that on the agenda.

1213
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 6: Well, it hasn't been on the agenda, but if you

1214
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 6: recommend it, I would do it. I have a lot

1215
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 6: of respect for you, as you know, and I think

1216
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 6: you're doing a great job. And you've done a great job.

1217
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 6: You went a little bit liberal on us for a

1218
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 6: while when you were at NBC Indy. I can't believe.

1219
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 6: I couldn't believe you sitting on NBC trying to answer

1220
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 6: questions that you didn't believe in. You only gave them

1221
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 6: partial answers. You were never fully there, but you couldn't

1222
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 6: get out fast enough. It was very fun to watch it.

1223
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy with sailing.

1224
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 6: I hear good things about Tony, and I can tell

1225
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 6: you that David Ellison is a fantastic guy, and his father,

1226
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 6: Larry is one of the great been good friends of mine,

1227
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 6: both of them, but David's doing a fantastic job, and

1228
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 6: they feel very strongly about Tony.

1229
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want Barry Weiss and Tony to overtake

1230
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: Fox and Salem, but I would like you to give

1231
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: him a shot to see if he's got the chop.

1232
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 6: Well, it's been important to you, I do it. No

1233
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 6: are your good things about Tony?

1234
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: Now? You gave two hours of The New York Times yesterday.

1235
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. The most successful president to the media

1236
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: in history, actually, but I would like to see you

1237
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: sit down with Matt Contnetty, Guy Benson, Spencer Brown, Mary

1238
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: Catherine Ham, the Mandels, Philip Wegaman. All of our superstar

1239
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: youngster people are under forty forty five? Is that on

1240
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: the agenda Sometimes to sit down with.

1241
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 6: Arthur would be I mean, they have to ask, and

1242
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 6: it would be I certainly like all the names that

1243
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 6: you mentioned, And I will say that I think the

1244
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 6: Times treated me pretty fairly yesterday.

1245
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: Well interesting, I haven't read it yet, the trans skeptis

1246
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: and outs.

1247
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 6: I'm waiting for the shock and it's a little hard

1248
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 6: not to. We have the greatest potential economy in history.

1249
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 6: We have eighteen trillion dollars coming in. The record is

1250
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 6: three and that was from many, many years ago. We

1251
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 6: have something that just took place with Venezuela that everybody

1252
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 6: considered as one of the most brilliant attacks they've ever seen.

1253
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 6: And you know we had we lost no people in

1254
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 6: the middle of a fort. Don't forget that house was

1255
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 6: built in the middle of a fort with thousands of soldiers.

1256
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 6: They lost quite a few people. I hate to say that.

1257
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: I talked to an active duty naval officer yesterday who's

1258
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: very jealous that they were not there because it was

1259
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: such an extraordinary mission.

1260
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 6: You know what, we had an extraordinary attack a few

1261
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 6: months ago in a place called Iran. We knocked out

1262
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 6: the Iran nuclear threat and it was obliterated. And we

1263
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 6: also took out Solomoni and we took out Al Bagdaddy.

1264
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 6: So we've had some good attacks so far. We haven't

1265
01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 6: had the Afghanistan disaster. That was the lowest point I

1266
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 6: think in the history of our country, Biden. But if

1267
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 6: you look also the Jimmy Carter disaster, that was a

1268
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 6: disaster with the hostages, and you know, when we.

1269
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: Were very democratic, President A disaster.

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Speaker 6: Two planes. I said, I hope it's not a Jimmy

1271
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 6: Carter deal, Carter.

1272
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: Clinton, Obama, Biden. They've all been disasters in national security.

1273
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about it.

1274
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 6: I haven't had I haven't had any disaster.

1275
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: Yet, and I hope it stays that way.

1276
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 6: I hope the word yet is going to disappear.

1277
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we got to talk about the Golden Fleet,

1278
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: because this is important. I want to take my hat

1279
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: off to you. On the Golden Fleet. We need guided

1280
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: missile frigates and attack submarines and the Columbia class. And

1281
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: the worst way is there going to be enough money

1282
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: in the budget to get everything built that we need,

1283
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: including new shipyards.

1284
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 6: Well, we are going to have plenty of money. And

1285
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 6: if you notice what I did yesterday, I told all

1286
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 6: defence companies there's going to be no more buybacks. You're

1287
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 6: going to put the money into building new plant and equipment,

1288
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 6: and there's going to be no more stock options, and

1289
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 6: there's going to be no more salaries of fifty million

1290
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 6: dollars a year. You're going to put the money in.

1291
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Speaker 6: We're going to have a capped at five million dollars

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Speaker 6: and that's effective immediately and all that money that they're

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Speaker 6: sending out is going to have to be and you

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Speaker 6: know what, the stock prices went up. The reason is

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Speaker 6: I also put out a statement, a secondary statement, saying

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Speaker 6: that next year we expect to have one point five

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Speaker 6: trillion in defense budget. And we're also building battleships. You know,

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Speaker 6: we're building great battleships. We have twenty five on schedule,

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Speaker 6: but we're going to start with ten and then we'll

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Speaker 6: see how that all goes. But we're going to build battleships.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I thought, you remember from Victory at sea.

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Speaker 6: You take a look at those great gorgeous ships, the Iowa,

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Speaker 6: the Alabama, the Missouri, those great ships and if you

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Speaker 6: see you know what I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, provided they've got lots of missile tubes on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm all for them. The more missile tubes that see,

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Speaker 1: the better.

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Speaker 6: I said, why don't we take some of them out

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Speaker 6: of bathballs. The new ships will be one hundred times

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Speaker 6: more powerful than the those battleships that we so admired.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you're up up upping the construction at

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Shipyard and enhancing its capacity.

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Speaker 6: And numerous others. Yeah, I was wondering are you gonna

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Speaker 6: build walk into the shipbuilding business?

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Speaker 1: That is that's the best news. Do people understand how

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Speaker 1: important that is to the economy.

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Speaker 6: I think they know. But the Philadelphia yard is one

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 6: of the yards that's going to be opened up. But

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Speaker 6: we have numerous yards that are opened up. Some of

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Speaker 6: those yards have been built up by housing projects. You know,

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01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 6: they're all in the water, so they tended to be

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Speaker 6: in nice locations. But we have many yards opening up,

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Speaker 6: and we're going to be very much back in the

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Speaker 6: shipbuilding business. And in some cases we're partnering with South

1325
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Speaker 6: Korea and others initially because we have to get you know,

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Speaker 6: we used to make almost the ship a day during

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Speaker 6: World War Two and then we just totally got out

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 6: of that business stupidly. But we're back in the shipbuilding business.

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Speaker 1: We have to be all right now. I want to

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Speaker 1: switch to one of my other favorite topics with image

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Speaker 1: President of the Supreme Court. I know you don't expect

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01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: a retirement in the spring, but if one happens, you've

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: appointed sixty Appeals Court judges. Would you expect to take

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Speaker 1: either a runner up from last time I Judge Catlidge

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: or one of your appointees. Judge row is fifty three

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Speaker 1: on the DC Circuit. Judge Rushing on the fourth is

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Speaker 1: forty three. Judge strass On the eighth is fifty one.

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Speaker 1: A MultiPar is fifty six. Don Willet's sixty. Then you

1339
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Speaker 1: got Senator Cruz is fifty five, and he got District

1340
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Speaker 1: Court Judge Eileen Cannon. I think she did a good

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Speaker 1: job in the Florida case. She's forty five. Yeps.

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Speaker 6: She did a great job. She's a great judge.

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Speaker 1: Yes she did, and she came to the right constitutional

1344
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Speaker 1: conclusion about the illegality of the appointment.

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Speaker 6: Highly respected. Yeah, So those are all great names. Every

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01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,839
Speaker 6: one of those names is a great name. Now, Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 6: The nice one about him is we'd get a one

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Speaker 6: hundred percent approval. Every Democrat would vote yes, and every

1349
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 6: Republican would vote yes because they would love to get

1350
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 6: him the hell out of the Senate, all of them,

1351
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 6: so that he's the only one that would be a

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Speaker 6: guaranteed confirmation. And he's a smart guy, he's a good guy.

1353
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Speaker 6: And I say that joke, but I always say Ted

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01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 6: would get a one hundred percent approval. The Democrats want

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 6: him out, the Republicans want him out, and he'd do great,

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01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 6: and he's smart. But all of the names that you

1357
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 6: mentioned are great names, every one of them.

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Speaker 1: I know who is advising you on judges this term

1359
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Speaker 1: as Leonard is not and the Federal Society is not.

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Speaker 6: Well. I'm using some people actually that you know, i'd

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01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 6: rather tell you on a personal prisis not on a

1362
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 6: phone call. But I have some very good people that

1363
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 6: are advising me, people that you know in respect.

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01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: I am the legislative agenda for this year. I know

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Speaker 1: I watched your talk to the Republicans at the Trump

1366
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Speaker 1: County Center, and I know you talked about healthcare. That

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01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: would be great, but it would be easier to get

1368
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Speaker 1: done if you have bundled it with, for example, the

1369
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Speaker 1: Dreamers Act, the AM Radio in Every Car Act, both

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Speaker 1: of those have got super majority. Do you think that's

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Speaker 1: the strategy, Bundle healthcare with very popular laws, get them

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Speaker 1: to the floor and move them.

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Speaker 6: Well. I think healthcare is so big and so important

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01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 6: that it probably supersedes some slightly less you know, a

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 6: very popular thing, but less important. I like the AM

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01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 6: in every car, the AM radio in every car. I

1377
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 6: like that. I'm in favor of it. It's interesting. A

1378
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 6: lot of people don't know about that, but it's actually

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Speaker 6: a very big subject.

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Speaker 1: So it's a huge deal.

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Speaker 6: It's a hugee We're going to be doing something on that.

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Speaker 6: All of the things you mentioned I like, but I

1383
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 6: think healthcare is so big and so powerful it's going

1384
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 6: to really going to have to stand in his own way,

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Speaker 6: all right, So I want, you know, with healthcare, it's

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Speaker 6: pretty simple. I want because if you take a look,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you study insurance companies, but these

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 6: guys have made literally trillions of dollars. I want the

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01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 6: money to go directly to the people and let the

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Speaker 6: people buy their own healthcare, and everybody loves it.

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Speaker 1: I do too. I think that would be a genius.

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01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: I just think to get Democratic vote you might have

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01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: to put the Dreamers Act in or the Radio Act

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Speaker 1: in along with.

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Speaker 6: The Democrats is they're totally in bed with the insurance companies.

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 6: And what you know, what I'm doing is the exact opposite.

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01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 6: I'm giving the money to the people. They've given the

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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 6: money to the insurance companies. It's hard for them to

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01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 6: vote against the insurance companies who have made a fortune

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Speaker 6: because of the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Now, miss President, when we have that sit down that

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01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: privately talk about judges. I would like to talk to

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01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: you about Richard Nixon because I believe your understanding of

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: American power projection is very similar to his. And I

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: think he also liked to keep people guessing. Some people

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01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: call it the Madman theory. I just thought it was

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Speaker 1: a strategic sense. Do you think that comparison is apt?

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Speaker 6: Well, look, I don't know. We're just respected. We're respected

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 6: again as a country, and I'm respected, but we're respected.

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01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 6: We had a president who shouldn't have been there. First

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01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 6: of all, it was a rigged election, and that's now

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 6: coming out loud and clear. But we knew that. I

1413
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 6: knew that four years ago. But it was just a rigged,

1414
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 6: horrible election, and that's where we got. We got a

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 6: man that allowed millions of people into our country from

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01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 6: jails and mental institutions and drug dealers and shame that

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01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 6: what Biden was just a horrible president. And you know,

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01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 6: if she would have won, which is the equivalent, if

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 6: she would have won, our country would have been right

1420
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,480
Speaker 6: now Venezuela on steria a disaster.

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: A disaster, and Tim Walls would have been the vice

1422
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: president instead of vice president vance, I can't believe it.

1423
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: Let me turn to politics in my last couple of minutes,

1424
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: mister President, I want to honor your time. You crush

1425
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: the debates in twenty fifteen sixteen, The last one was

1426
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: just Secretary Rubio, Senator Cruzer. We've talked about Governor Khenu,

1427
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: and then there were no more. You skip the debates

1428
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: in twenty five, twenty three, twenty four. You will control,

1429
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: you will whether or not the GOP has debates in

1430
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight. Do you think they

1431
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: are a good thing for the party or a bad thing?

1432
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: Do you want to have them or do you not

1433
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: want to have them?

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 6: Well, I always liked them. For me, I love debating.

1435
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 6: But I think I did the right thing. I had,

1436
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 6: you know, ten people, they're all smart people, they're you know,

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 6: governors and senators, and I figured, why should I allow

1438
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 6: myself to be whacked by all ten people. At the

1439
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 6: same time, I think I did a very fun A

1440
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 6: lot of people said you have to be in the debate.

1441
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 6: I said, I don't think I do, and then I

1442
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 6: had the debate with Biden, which turned out to be

1443
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 6: a good debate. I don't think I got enough credit

1444
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 6: for that debate because I made him choke. But he

1445
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 6: didn't do well in that debate. And the interesting thing is,

1446
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 6: without that debate, would he have been allowed to continue running. Uh?

1447
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: Yes, he would have been. And that would have been

1448
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: a disaster for the party, even worse than Kamala Harris,

1449
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 1: because you can't hide the fact he was infirm. He

1450
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: was infirm, he wasn't there.

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01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 6: Well, he didn't do too well, I would say that.

1452
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Democrats to wrap.

1453
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 6: Up, is not the greatest go ahead?

1454
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,879
Speaker 1: Who is the strongest Democrat in twenty twenty eight? Gavin Newsom, AOC,

1455
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, Jared Poulos in Colorado, Chris van Holland, Wes Moore,

1456
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: Andy Bisher. Who's their best choice?

1457
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 6: You know, as you rattle off those names, I'm just

1458
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 6: seeing in't and amazing. With three hundred and fifty people,

1459
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 6: of course, we have no idea that Biden let him

1460
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 6: so many nobody knows. But with let's say three hundred

1461
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 6: and fifty people, that that's the best they can do,

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01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 6: it's pretty sad. I think Newsom's hurt because he's done

1463
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,839
Speaker 6: so badly in California. He has he's done so so badly.

1464
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 6: I just you know, look, he's a sort of a

1465
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 6: good politician, but he doesn't get the job done. I

1466
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 6: think people are going to people aren't going to stand

1467
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 6: for that. There's nobody. I do have a couple of

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 6: people that I think would be really tough candidates, but

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01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,839
Speaker 6: I don't want to name him because not chosen.

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01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: Well, that does make some sense to me. Okay, let's

1471
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: close with mister mayor, Mom Donnie, and you decide when

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01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 1: to conclude the interview. Mister President, I know you love

1473
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: New York City. It's going to be a nightmare. I've

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 1: only lived there once. I've only lived there in nineteen eighty.

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01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be worse than nineteen eighty, which was

1476
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: damn bad and I left and went to law school

1477
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: because it was so bad. Will the city be able

1478
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,520
Speaker 1: to recover after Mom, Donnie.

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01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 6: Well, it's going to be interesting. You know, I've met him.

1480
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 6: He came to the Oval offices and we've had some

1481
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 6: nice conversations, are very good. And then he hit me

1482
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 6: a little bit on the tremendous victory. And you would

1483
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 6: say it was a tremendous victory on Venezuela and I said, gee,

1484
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 6: I thought he would have at least waited a month.

1485
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 6: I was surprised that he hit me on that, but

1486
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Speaker 6: he did. You know, so what are you going to do? Kid?

1487
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 6: I expected it. I just thought it would be maybe

1488
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 6: three or four weeks instead of immediately, because I do

1489
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 6: get along with him. He's got a great personality, is

1490
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 6: a nice guy. His policies are not good, but maybe

1491
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 6: he changes, you know. That's what I would view because

1492
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 6: I want to do everything I can to help New York.

1493
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 6: So I don't know. I hope you're wrong. I hope

1494
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 6: New York is thrive, will thrive. But typically those policies,

1495
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 6: maybe you say not only typically in history, those policies

1496
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 6: have never worked.

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Speaker 1: They did never work. The last thing I'll say to him, this, President,

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01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 1: Golden Dome is the most important legacy you're going to

1499
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: leave if it gets built. I've read some studies that

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: say Ravenna, Ohio is where the hubb out would be

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01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: for space force to control that because of the polar

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Speaker 1: ice cap. Have you decided where the central location of

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Speaker 1: Golden Dome will be yet? No?

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Speaker 6: But I love Ohio. I can tell you that, and

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Speaker 6: I've worn Ohio big every sing every time, and everybody

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Speaker 6: I've endorsed from Ohio is one, and you know, it's

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Speaker 6: been great. But I've heard that's one of the people,

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Speaker 6: one of the places very much being considered.

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Speaker 1: All Right, mister President, thank you for the time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Come back again soon and I look forward

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Speaker 1: to talking to you again. Congratulations on a great first

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Speaker 1: year in your second term.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much. You take care of yourself. Thank you. Bye.