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Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton,

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Speaker 2: friendly podcasts for a new generation. I Built Different. Our

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Speaker 2: mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to help

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Speaker 2: push you past your limits and reach goals you never

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Speaker 2: thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So then, just

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Speaker 2: as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your

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Speaker 2: lives in him, rooted and built up in him. Amen.

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Speaker 2: Now let's roll Hello everybody. Welcome back into the Build

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Speaker 2: Different Podcasts where we have real conversations with people who

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Speaker 2: have walked through adversity, wrestled with their faith, but come

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Speaker 2: out stronger on the other side. Today's guest is someone

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Speaker 2: whose story is marked by both deep loss, but also

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Speaker 2: undeniable resilience. I'm joined by Grammy nominated, Dove Award winning

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Speaker 2: artist Danny GOKEI. Many of you first met Danny as

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Speaker 2: a finalist on season nine of American Idol, where his

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Speaker 2: voice and even more so, his story, captured the hearts

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Speaker 2: of millions across the country. But what's even more powerful

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Speaker 2: is what God has done in his life since then.

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Speaker 2: From chart topping hits like tell your Heart to Beat

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Speaker 2: Again and Haven't Seen It Yet, to building a beautiful

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Speaker 2: family and launching a nonprofit that's impacting lives around the world,

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Speaker 2: Danny's life is a testament to what it means to

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Speaker 2: keep showing up when life doesn't make sense. Danny, my friend,

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Speaker 2: it's an honor to have you on the show. Brother,

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Speaker 2: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Could to be here, Zach, Here, everybody, Danny.

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Speaker 2: As we start out, we're here in Garland, Texas, the

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Speaker 2: Chris Cohle Center. Are going to be nearly four thousand

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Speaker 2: women here today night, gathering to worship God and growing

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Speaker 2: community with one another. As you prepare for nights like this,

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Speaker 2: how do you really center your heart and just make

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Speaker 2: sure that you're also ready to receive what God has

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Speaker 2: prepared for you as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's the thing where we as

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Speaker 3: a band, we pray, you know, we set a focus

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Speaker 3: on what our mission is. But one of the things

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Speaker 3: I've learned through the years is just being step up

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Speaker 3: the spirit. If you're in step up the spirit, You'll

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Speaker 3: never be outside of trying to catch up to what

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Speaker 3: God's doing, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so one of you know, virus says walk in

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the key things, because every moment

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Speaker 3: is a moment of ministry, even before I go step

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Speaker 3: on stage, it's ministry to people all around us. But

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Speaker 3: I always had this view when I was younger, like

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Speaker 3: I got to get myself ready, to get to get

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Speaker 3: I used to I used to try to like work

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Speaker 3: of the Cross. And now I'm just already there, and

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Speaker 3: it's a constant, acknowledge him in all your ways, and

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Speaker 3: he'll direct your path.

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Speaker 1: So that makes sense. That's one of the things.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of the things that I've learned throughout

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Speaker 2: And it's not something that you have to earn, right,

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Speaker 2: it's not something you have to work for, because, like

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Speaker 2: it's what's already been done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cross And I remember it was Andrew Womack who

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Speaker 1: You stay in step with him. You don't have to

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Speaker 3: I gotta feel like I got to get back in

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Speaker 3: He's like, it's a lifestyle, you live it out. But

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Speaker 1: Of the spirit. He said, I think it's just easier

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Speaker 1: standing in the spirit. Stays in the spirit. Stay in

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Speaker 1: step with them, Stay in step, Danny.

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Speaker 2: As you're doing these Hope Nights tour right now with

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Speaker 2: We Are Messengers and John Reddick, I'm just thinking of

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Speaker 2: all the different opportunities that you have to be in

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Speaker 2: we hear that this is the most spiritually curious generation

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Speaker 2: Do you see that hunger for holiness, that spirit of revival,

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Speaker 3: Again, I do see it, and I think it has

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Speaker 1: And it was a bit scary.

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Speaker 3: So anyways, to answer your question, I know I got

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Speaker 3: you know, leadership matters, like if I don't respect God

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Speaker 1: Right, And so I do think there's a curiousness.

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Speaker 3: There's a hunger for hope because there is the ability

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Speaker 3: there's a general hunt. No, but at the same time

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I think we're at. But I'm noticing

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Speaker 3: I'm noticing hope, but I'm also noticing the other side

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Speaker 2: Yes, talk to me then about for those that are

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Speaker 2: of courage. Here for a moment. Billy Graham said that

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Speaker 2: amazing what often happens. The spines of others often get stiffened.

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Speaker 2: Speak to that idea of courage for us as believers

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Speaker 3: Courage is is so important because courage is what is how,

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Speaker 3: the Bible say that part of the people envi I'm

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Speaker 1: A coward backs down. It's fearful, right, and you know,

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Speaker 3: Times there's been times where we've been cowardice or we've

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Speaker 3: We could choose today to be uh, we do people

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Speaker 3: Jesus was courageous, right and because Jesus he did things

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Speaker 3: yet that's how people found hope, you know. So I

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Speaker 3: think being courageous is where you'll find hope. Being cowardice

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Speaker 3: that courageousness I think brings hope because you you confront

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Speaker 3: important that we keep that. We protect hope, we protect love,

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Speaker 3: we protect what God is doing inside of us. And

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Speaker 3: many times it'll be courageous because the culture and the

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Speaker 3: to say that you're you're you know that you're believing

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Speaker 1: And so no, we got to be courageous in what

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Speaker 3: part that when I finally got the scriptures and saw

437
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Speaker 3: like I was being deceived and that I did not

438
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Speaker 3: do that, like the impact it had on my body

439
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Speaker 3: was I needed help. Oh yeah. And so one of

440
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Speaker 3: the key things that I didn't realize I went and

441
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Speaker 3: saw some concerors. That was helpful, but another side to

442
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Speaker 3: that really helped me out. Probably helped me out the

443
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Speaker 3: most was that I saw doctor Amen. You know doctor Amen,

444
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Speaker 3: loved Doctor Amen.

445
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Speaker 2: Just had him on last week.

446
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Speaker 1: Did you I got honest.

447
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Speaker 3: He took me in and I got in his supplements,

448
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: and what I learned is that my body was absolutely

449
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 3: just burnt out from the pressure I put it through

450
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Speaker 3: the years. I mean, you talk about massive pressure, massive

451
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Speaker 3: emotional imbalances. And I got on his supplements and I'm

452
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 3: a whole new person. Wow. So what I realized that

453
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Speaker 3: even though even though I got the right belief systems,

454
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Speaker 3: what I did to my body for decades needed to

455
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Speaker 3: be undone as well.

456
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Speaker 1: And so that has been really helpful.

457
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Speaker 3: One of the things the Holy Spirit spoke to me

458
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Speaker 3: when I was in the middle of the battle, and

459
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Speaker 3: I think this can help people, is you know.

460
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Speaker 1: I heard this in my spirit. I woke up on

461
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Speaker 1: more I heard this. Be so reminded.

462
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Speaker 3: It's like, what does that mean?

463
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Speaker 1: And I looked at the scripture.

464
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Speaker 3: I saw at first, you know, be village and be sober,

465
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Speaker 3: because your devil's like a roar on line seeking whom

466
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Speaker 3: he made devour. Right. That was in the context of

467
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Speaker 3: the verse. You know, people know that alcohol but typically

468
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Speaker 3: what we think of sober and as we think of

469
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Speaker 3: being removed away from alcohol. Why because alcohol is intoxicating

470
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Speaker 3: and it it it inebriating, right, it.

471
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Speaker 1: It affects the way you think.

472
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Speaker 3: But what the Holy Spirit when he was speaking that

473
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Speaker 3: through Peter and Apostle Peter, he wasn't talking to drunkards.

474
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Speaker 1: He's talking to believers. So what the Holy Spirit?

475
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Speaker 3: I believe that the Holy Spirit show me there was

476
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Speaker 3: that we could be intoxicated and inebriated on our emotions,

477
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Speaker 3: on anger. You ever seen what someone does when they're

478
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Speaker 3: in a fit of rage. They kill people, they beat people,

479
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Speaker 3: and then when they come to their senses, they're so regretful.

480
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Speaker 1: That's called being that's not sober minded.

481
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Speaker 3: And think about lust, What mistakes that people made in

482
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Speaker 3: their marriage because of a moment of this intoxicating pleasure.

483
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Speaker 3: And so when the Lord showed me that, And now

484
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Speaker 3: this is what I teach my kids. You must be

485
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Speaker 3: sober minded, you must you're emotions if you don't at

486
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Speaker 3: this choice or talking to my daughter yesterday because she's

487
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Speaker 3: emotional like and I said, VICKI, and I said, You're

488
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Speaker 3: gonna have to choose in the moment you don't feel happy,

489
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Speaker 3: choose to find something to be thankful about, and don't

490
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Speaker 3: let the emotion because that emotion will throw you into it. See,

491
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Speaker 3: no one taught me this. I told this, No one

492
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Speaker 3: taught Daddy this. Daddy had to go figure this on

493
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Speaker 3: his own, and I lost a lot of time. God

494
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: can make it up, but this will say the choices

495
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Speaker 3: you make at a young age. I can see this

496
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Speaker 3: my daughter, if she doesn't learn how to how to

497
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Speaker 3: get over the disappointed little things will make her really

498
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Speaker 3: disappointed and make her cry and keep her in a

499
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Speaker 3: little mood for a long time. And I know at

500
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Speaker 3: her age there's grace because if she just waits so

501
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Speaker 3: she feels better, show get out of it and she'll

502
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Speaker 3: say sorry, she'll hug people. But I'm teaching her now

503
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Speaker 3: in that moment, Now make the choice, because when you're

504
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Speaker 3: not making the choice to let it go and you're

505
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Speaker 3: stewing on it, that's a choice and you will eventually

506
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Speaker 3: be a person who is really regulated by their emotions.

507
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Speaker 1: So anyways, no one taught me this stuff.

508
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Speaker 3: But if someone is watching this and they've made a

509
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Speaker 3: lot of bad choices made like for me, you're young,

510
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: you make agreements with things you just know nothing about.

511
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Speaker 1: I agreed with this thing.

512
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Speaker 3: You know, a normal person maybe would just let that

513
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Speaker 3: past through that really bad thought, Oh that was crazy,

514
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: and just move all with life. Me I sat there,

515
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: didn't know I was making a choice, stewing on it,

516
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Speaker 3: and then it wrecked.

517
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Speaker 1: My emotions or wrecked me physically.

518
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Speaker 3: So I've come a long way, and I'm here to

519
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Speaker 3: tell people like, hey, you know, make the choice that's right,

520
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Speaker 3: you know, choose to be better no matter where you're at,

521
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Speaker 3: and get on get on the supplements.

522
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Speaker 1: For me, I didn't want to do medication. I didn't

523
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Speaker 1: want it. I didn't want it.

524
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Speaker 3: And getting on the supplements from doctor Amen regular in

525
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Speaker 3: my body and I was like, oh, I don't have

526
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Speaker 3: a mental health problem, you know I do. I have

527
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Speaker 3: a burnt out by high cordisal problem, and it is

528
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Speaker 3: making my body go chaos. Exactly right.

529
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Speaker 2: There's a brain mind body connection there that is focusing

530
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Speaker 2: on holistic health and wellness, and like you talked about,

531
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Speaker 2: so often, we can fall into the trap of rumination.

532
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Speaker 2: Rumination is the pathological obsession with our pain. And what

533
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Speaker 2: we forget then is that our brains cannot comprehend the

534
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Speaker 2: negative So when we start to all this sudden fear,

535
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Speaker 2: the anger, the anxiety, the shameful thoughts, whatever, we kind

536
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Speaker 2: of identify them ass when they come knocking on the door, well,

537
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: we're going to tell ourselves. If the goal is avoidance,

538
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Speaker 2: it's like, dude, stop knocking on the door. And as

539
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Speaker 2: soon as they start knocking again, we almost begin to panic.

540
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Speaker 2: We start telling ourselves stop thinking. The brain doesn't here,

541
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Speaker 2: stop it, just here's what follows it. And so then

542
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Speaker 2: it's recognizing if the goal's not rumination, the goal is regulation.

543
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Speaker 2: Like you said, if it's not avoiding those thoughts, it's

544
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Speaker 2: learning how to acknowledge them when they do come. But

545
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Speaker 2: then it's your choice whether it's a fear or I

546
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Speaker 2: should say, whether it's a resident or a visitor. So

547
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Speaker 2: if it knocks, hey, you know what you can understand

548
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: maybe where that came from, Identify your triggers, identify what

549
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: exactly happened in the moment. But then being able to

550
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Speaker 2: adjust our attention elsewhere. That's where things like Scripture Philippians

551
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Speaker 2: four eight or Tewod Corinthians ten to five, Romans twelve,

552
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Speaker 2: to all of these things about renewing our mind back

553
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Speaker 2: to Christ but like you said, you have to start

554
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Speaker 2: from even the physiological physical attributes of getting the body

555
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Speaker 2: right because oftentimes the brain well then follow Danny. I

556
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Speaker 2: appreciate you just being an advocate in the space man

557
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Speaker 2: for brain, mind, body health. And you know, I can't

558
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Speaker 2: even fathom what you were probably going through as you're

559
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Speaker 2: having this these scrupulous thoughts in this OCD while also

560
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: leading worship.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what was that?

562
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Speaker 1: Like?

563
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Speaker 3: Man? I would there were sometimes because I had such

564
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Speaker 3: when your body and I'm you know, you see now

565
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: what you didn't see?

566
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Speaker 1: Then?

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were times where my body was in such

568
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Speaker 3: like a fight or flight. I didn't realize this, but

569
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Speaker 3: I heard this that remaining in high cortosol for a

570
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Speaker 3: long amount of times, like putting venom in your brain,

571
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Speaker 3: and I'd have these sensations that would come over me.

572
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Speaker 3: And since growing up in a religious household and like

573
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Speaker 3: a hell was talked about a lot, it just you

574
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Speaker 3: had always this fear of I gotta get it right,

575
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Speaker 3: I gotta get it right, which is not the gospel.

576
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Speaker 3: You can never get it right, which is why Jesus came. Anyways,

577
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Speaker 3: trying to lead worship like that, I would, I would

578
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Speaker 3: push I would push physically and try to like achieve something,

579
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Speaker 3: and it was just a torture.

580
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Speaker 1: It just reinforced this.

581
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Speaker 3: Wrong idea, these wrong ideologies that had these even more

582
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Speaker 3: severe consequences on my mental health. It wasn't it wasn't good.

583
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Speaker 3: And man, I have a lot going through my mind

584
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: right now. But I just really encourage people, like get

585
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Speaker 3: the help you need. But it's just like you said,

586
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: don't sit there and ruminate on your problems thinking about

587
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Speaker 3: bad when what scripture can you talk about that says

588
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 3: when you think about the bad things you did, it'll

589
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Speaker 3: make you better. Has the complete opposite effect. But this

590
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: is why Jesus made it very clear, said the flesh

591
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: profit's nothing. The spirit gives life. And that's why we

592
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: have to pay attention to the Holy Spirit, because I

593
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Speaker 3: know through you know, when i'd leave worship, I feel

594
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Speaker 3: like I did a good thing. You know, I did this,

595
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Speaker 3: I did it good. I pushed through, I pushed through

596
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Speaker 3: the hard things I was going through. Man, it just

597
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: turned into this this hamster wheel that was so exhausted

598
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 3: and so tiring, which burned my body out even more.

599
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Speaker 3: There's so many ways I can take this, but I

600
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Speaker 3: just I really want to see people get free of religiosity.

601
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Speaker 3: You know, this morning, I was praying about something and

602
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: I felt like I heard the Holy Spirit say. I

603
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: wrote it down. I was like, man, it's a good

604
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: I will show you that's what I heard. I will

605
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: show you the Holy Spirit comes to give life and

606
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: life more bodily through Jesus Christ. Right, And if we

607
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: pay attention and we slow down, which is not easy

608
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Speaker 3: when you're in a cycle.

609
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Speaker 1: When I was in a cycle, how would you be

610
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Speaker 1: like this?

611
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Speaker 3: Just like that, because it would just it would soothe

612
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: but in the moment, but it didn't soothe in reality,

613
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: in the moment I needed, I couldn't escape. And yeah, sorry,

614
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: I'm kind of talking a circle here because I don't

615
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: know which way to go with this one. But I

616
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: just about my heartbreaks re I'm trying to teach my

617
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: kids this because no one taught me this. I found

618
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: out that my dad dealt with scrupulosity, and I didn't

619
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: realized that he got saved, like he's fifteen, but he

620
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 3: thought he had blasting the Holy Spirit, that this is

621
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: a generational thing. But I didn't find that out untill thirties.

622
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Speaker 3: Like it was just wasn't talked about it, you know

623
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Speaker 3: what I mean. And yeah, and so that's where the

624
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 3: enemy plays his tricks.

625
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Yes, you know I watched the podcast conversation you did

626
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Speaker 2: with doctor Amen Dan. Yeah, just even in prep for

627
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: our time together today, and you know, I heard you

628
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: share about one of your children that kind of was

629
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: having some of those thoughts, and like you're talking about

630
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Speaker 2: this idea of even this thought that you had from

631
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit this morning, I will show you as parents. Mean,

632
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: that's my prayer for parents, as my wife and I

633
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: prepare to have kids of our own, it's like this

634
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: idea of I will show you. I want to model

635
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: what vulnerability looks like to be able to have those

636
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: hard conversations with our kids, to be able to recognize

637
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: and help them realize that, you know what, I don't

638
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: have to be ashamed of some of these thoughts. I

639
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: don't have to be ashamed of some of the challenges

640
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: that I experience, or maybe some of the things that

641
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: I maybe decide to do, Like, we don't have to

642
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: be ashamed. We can bring those to us if we

643
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: really develop an atmosphere that's not guilt based, but that

644
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: is grace focused.

645
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: Speak to that. If you would, which is massive. I

646
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: think I've read the book years ago Feelings Buried Alive,

647
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 3: Never Die, and she talked about these two things were

648
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: born with twop dispositions of love or fear. And as

649
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: a kid, you don't even realize when you're in the womb,

650
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 3: you're making agreements with love and fear like everything's a choice,

651
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: but you didn't realize it, right, you're just growing up.

652
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 3: But apparently I made a lot of choices to the

653
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: fear because the fruit came out of it. But going

654
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Speaker 3: back to the Doctor Amen, I had to unlearned that because,

655
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Speaker 3: like you said, fear has never made anyone a better person.

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Speaker 1: It loved us.

657
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Speaker 3: Fear can never accomplish what only love can do. And

658
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Speaker 3: to teach our kids the fear of the Lord is

659
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Speaker 3: the most loving thing you can do, just like teaching

660
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Speaker 3: them the fear of gravity and understanding the gravity so

661
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Speaker 3: you know they don't jump off buildings and cliffs, you know,

662
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Speaker 3: without any consequences. But doctor Amn podcast, I went and

663
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: saw him, and what people don't know when you watch that.

664
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Speaker 3: In my head, I'm thinking this ain't gonna work. I'm

665
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: literally having this conversation and I'm just listening. Yeah, I've

666
00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: heard this before.

667
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Speaker 1: That's what I said.

668
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Speaker 3: What I thought, never told him that. I was like,

669
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Speaker 3: this ain't gonna work. But I did it because he

670
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 3: offered it. And I remember it was like a few

671
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: months because of the thing I knew how to regulate

672
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Speaker 3: my mind already.

673
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Speaker 1: The thing about this is I knew how to get

674
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Speaker 1: my how to control my thoughts now.

675
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't get the feelings and sensations of nearly

676
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Speaker 3: forty years of not controlling my thoughts yep, in regulation

677
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Speaker 3: of what it did to my body. Like you said,

678
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Speaker 3: the mind body, what do you call it? The mind

679
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: behind mind body brain connection. I remember, after getting on

680
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: his supplements, I also know why do I feel so

681
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: good all the time? And so I think for each people,

682
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: you have to teach people how to think. I mastered

683
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Speaker 3: how to think because I could control my thoughts now fully,

684
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Speaker 3: but I couldn't master how I felt. And that was

685
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Speaker 3: a very I'm probably one of the most I'm an

686
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Speaker 3: interesting case study because there was so it was hidden

687
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Speaker 3: for so long.

688
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Speaker 1: I was in a ministry place, I was I'm going

689
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Speaker 1: to leadership position.

690
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Speaker 3: So even though a compound three years and I had

691
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: a ton of victories through the years with the Lord.

692
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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad all the time,

693
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: but the compound of the bad times did add up,

694
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and the emotional breakdowns and

695
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: the things that couldn't resolve. I'll take this past. Even

696
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Speaker 3: though I've been on doctor Amen supplements for a year

697
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: and a half now, which a revolutionaris my life. Even

698
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Speaker 3: this past week, I was playing basketball, and this past

699
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: week I noticed anxiety tried to dip its head in there,

700
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Speaker 3: and I had to just tell my I remember telling

701
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: myself because I haven't felt this in a year and

702
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: a half, and I was like, oh man, I don't

703
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: want to feel that. I know where this goes.

704
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: This is this is will make me want to go

705
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: lay in bed and hope the best that it goes away.

706
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Speaker 3: Because remember most people want to feel good before they

707
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Speaker 3: do they live good, right, and that's not how it

708
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Speaker 3: works anyway.

709
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Speaker 1: So I remember, I don't know how this got in there,

710
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: except that I'm.

711
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: Running low on my supplements, so I cut my doses

712
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Speaker 3: in half, and that could pay a little attention.

713
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Speaker 1: I've been going fast, so a lot of stress. But

714
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Speaker 1: I remember when I.

715
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Speaker 3: Was playing I play basketball. I love playing basketball.

716
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: You play basketball too.

717
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: I know I've played with you a couple of times.

718
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Speaker 1: Well, I hope I've gotten better, but I'm pretty cheeky.

719
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Speaker 1: I've gotten.

720
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Speaker 3: I've gotten, I've gotten much. I don't play as hard

721
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Speaker 3: as these dude.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, when I was younger, I said to

724
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: think I had to play hard to show my polish. Yeah. No,

725
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: it's like one of the things I teach I teach

726
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: myself is like be is how can I be good

727
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: without ever touching my opponent?

728
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Like you're not being respectful. Anyways, I was talking about this.

729
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 3: I was playing basketball, and I started noticing, like anxiety

730
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: was coming when I was playing them, and that exacerbates

731
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: your anxiety. My heart's beating on my chest. And I

732
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: was like, Danny, make the choice right now. Make the

733
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: choice right now, I said, because the thing is to

734
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Speaker 3: start worrying. Oh my god, is my heart going to

735
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Speaker 3: be on my chest you start, I A'm not gonna

736
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Speaker 3: be able to breathe and catch my breath because you're

737
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Speaker 3: running down the court. And I said, Danny, this is

738
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Speaker 3: on your head that your body do what it does

739
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: and let go. One of the biggest things that I've

740
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Speaker 3: been doing age. Let go. I cannot control what's happening.

741
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Speaker 3: But even when I'm I'm I'm in a disagreement with

742
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: my wife, I don't have to choose to be recent.

743
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: I can choose to rise above.

744
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Speaker 3: Even when I'm playing basketball and anxiety wants to come

745
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: in there, which hasn't happened in a long time. In

746
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Speaker 3: the mind, let go, let go and do it God's way,

747
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: you know. And when I came that thought, everything was fine. Yep,

748
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: it's this is your perk about breaking years of habits.

749
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Speaker 3: The best part about with my kid though, I remember

750
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Speaker 3: my kid having you, uh, I started noticing the beginnings

751
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: of scrupulosity. Well, I think he must have been six

752
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: or eight years old. I nip that in the butt

753
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 3: so fast, and he has not dealt with it since.

754
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Speaker 1: Now I got.

755
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Speaker 3: I look at my daughter, my two kids I have

756
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: with me on this trip right now, I could see

757
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: the emotional regulation that needs to happen because they're very

758
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: pasted that they're a lot like me. And I'm starting

759
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: to nip that in about because if they don't control

760
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: that now, it'll control them Dan.

761
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just thinking of in moments of powerlessness.

762
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: Those are often the places in spaces where God reveals

763
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Speaker 2: the most about himself to us. And I was just

764
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: thinking back just actually this past weekend on silent Saturday,

765
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Speaker 2: my wife, she's been wanting flowers Danny in our front

766
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: yard and our mulch beds for quite some time. And

767
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Speaker 2: so I was out there and we were working for

768
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Speaker 2: six to eight hours, and I was digging holes, and

769
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: I was replanning and pitching soil and all sorts of stuff,

770
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: and my back was killing me, right, But it's funny,

771
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: And this is where I'm going with the story of

772
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: grace here for a moment. My neighbor is someone I

773
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Speaker 2: highly respect and highly revere, love him to death. His

774
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Speaker 2: name is doctor Jason Baum, an incredible man. He is

775
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Speaker 2: the dean of the School of Government at Liberty University.

776
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: Just a great leader. He's a marine. So I mean,

777
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: this dude is like his yard. You can only imagine

778
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: how immaculate his yard looks. Right, the thing is always

779
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: mode like almost scissor cut. It's beautiful. And what I

780
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: started to do when he first moved in, I just

781
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: you know, I was going to my heart. I was

782
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: just like, hey, I'm going to mow his sideyard too,

783
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: because our yards are all connected. So I mowed it

784
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: the next week, he mowed mine.

785
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Speaker 1: The next week.

786
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Speaker 2: I mote his the next week.

787
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Speaker 3: He of mind.

788
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: We did that for for weeks. We exchanged this mowing

789
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: well over the last year. I'll be honest, I've been

790
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 2: running really hard and he always beats me to mowing

791
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: my yard. And I'll be real on Saturday, as I'm

792
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: planning these flowers, he is mowing my side of the

793
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: heart and I felt a little guilty. I felt kind

794
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: of embarrassed. I felt kind of a shame. I know

795
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: this might be a silly example, but I went up

796
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Speaker 2: to him. I'm like, Jason, hey, and he takes off

797
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: his headphones and super kind as always, and I'm like, hey,

798
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: I promise you don't have to mow my arm and

799
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: he's like, no, no, I want to.

800
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Speaker 3: I want to.

801
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well, I promise you. I'm going to

802
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 2: get to mowing your yard soon. I never he already

803
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: said he said this. He said, well, Zack, I'm not counting.

804
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: And I start to think about just who the person

805
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: of Jesus is in my life. When I felt guilt,

806
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: when I felt those intrusive thoughts when I've done stupid

807
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: things and I go to God apologizing for the very

808
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: thing that I told him time and time again, I

809
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: would stop doing or I would stop thinking. And it

810
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: was like the voice of Heaven spoke to me in

811
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: that moment where Jesus says those same words, Hey, Zach,

812
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: hey Danny, Like I'm not, I'm going to continue to

813
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: show up for you. Speak to Just what have you

814
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: learned about God by going through some of the trials

815
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: you've experienced?

816
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: You know, right right at the bat, the word faithfulness

817
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: came to mind. But I want to go deeper than that.

818
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: Just of these platitudes and these things we say, I've

819
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: learned about his fathering that how much investment he puts

820
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 3: in choice, you know, the fact that he gives me.

821
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: You know, because when I was a kid, and many

822
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: people get stuck on this. If God was God, why

823
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: does he allow this to happen? And they put all

824
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 3: this ignorant blame on God. Right, But the most loving

825
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: thing that he could do was give us his ability

826
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 3: to choose.

827
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Speaker 1: And what about this suffering in Africa? Yeah, what about it?

828
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Speaker 3: What did you do? Because God relinquished his powers to

829
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: invite you in to be more like him, to be

830
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: a representative. And so anyways, I love the fact that

831
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: that he gives us this ability to have this freedom

832
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 3: where it's authentic and it's not forced, because that's what

833
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: love is. You know. With my kids, one of the

834
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: best things I can do is actually let them learn

835
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 3: the lessons and not save them from the lessons.

836
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Speaker 1: And that's what I noticed about God. Has he saved me?

837
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: Yes he does.

838
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: And he showed up when I've made the bad choice

839
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: that he said when he forgave and he didn't count,

840
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: and he helped and he rescued. But the fact that

841
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: he gives me all this, this wide open space, and

842
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 3: he gives me these principles that says, if you do

843
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: it this way, man, you're gonna have life and life

844
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: more bunantly and you're gonna live a life you've never

845
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: dreamed of. But then again, I won't force you to

846
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: do it. I want you to do it. And when

847
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 3: you do it, you'll see our relationship just thrive and grow,

848
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: and you'll see the impact of how you people respect

849
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: you and honor you, and how you love them, you know,

850
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: unconditioned like he loves me. You know, what I mean,

851
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: and so, yeah, maybe it's a weird answer, but I really,

852
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 3: I really think that's really really cool.

853
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: How when I partner with him, he you know, he

854
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: puts these dreams.

855
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: I mean, we partner together, then I see him come

856
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: to pass and I see his hand in it, right.

857
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 3: I see how he did the miracle, how he did

858
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 3: the provision in such a powerful way, how he showed

859
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: how he knew the end from the beginning, and how

860
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: he's thinking so thoughtfully about every detail. I have several

861
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: stories where I could just go through the details of

862
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: what he showed.

863
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Speaker 1: You know.

864
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Speaker 3: I hope this will makes sense to everybody, But it's

865
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Speaker 3: a really cool thing to know about God. Absolutely.

866
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Speaker 2: It is like you said, sometimes God just teaches us

867
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: how to let go. Oh, how to enter his presence

868
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: with boldness, not with fear, not with shame, not with guilt,

869
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Speaker 2: because of that never ending supply, that scandalous grace that

870
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Speaker 2: he always offers. Again, he doesn't count our wrongdoings. He

871
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: just celebrates and welcomes us right back into his loving embrace. Then,

872
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: as we wrap up our conversation today, I just always

873
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: want to close out this way, just with the pressing

874
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: word that maybe God has placed on your heart for

875
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: listener today who maybe feels very discouraged and just disappointed.

876
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, Danny, they not much

877
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: has gone well in life for them through their perception

878
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: here recently, and they're frustrated. Maybe they're angry at God,

879
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: maybe they're angry at someone. What's just a final word

880
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: of hope about how to tell their heart to beat

881
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: again even when they haven't seen yet. What's one final

882
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: word of motivation that you want to lead with that

883
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 2: audience member today.

884
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: That they hold the keys.

885
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: To the south they're living in too, the disappointment they're

886
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: living in, that they can take the keys, the keys

887
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: that God has given them and they can set themselves free.

888
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're God hear what I'm saying. Could

889
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: you nailed it with the word perception. We oftentimes thinks

890
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: what we see, how we see it, and what we

891
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 3: believe about something is so one hundred percent spot on.

892
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 3: And I would challenge them to look at what the

893
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: how they see it and question why they believe what

894
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: they believe. Then go to the word of God and

895
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: say what if you know and how does God think

896
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: about this? And I think about this right here. I'm

897
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: going to pull this up because even if you don't

898
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 3: even know where to start, you could pray this prayer

899
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: and look at this. It says Jabez was more honorable

900
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: than his brothers, and his mother called him Jabez, saying

901
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 3: because I bore him in pain. You imagine that having

902
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: this view the perception of the mom. You know, kids

903
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 3: typically think what their parents think, So this mom gives

904
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 3: Jabez this name of pain. You were born in pain,

905
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: you were painful, You are a pain in the butt.

906
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: You know, maybe that's what it would be like in

907
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: modern day. But Jabez, most kids become like their parents, right,

908
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 3: most kids be They make the same mistakes, They repeat

909
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: the patterns because it's all they see. You have nothing

910
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: else to see. So it's like when Job, his perception

911
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: was so wrong, when Job's friends you sin no, I

912
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: didn't you sin no?

913
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: I didn't you sin?

914
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: In Job's curse the day where through God blah blah

915
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: blah blah, and then and Job thirty eight, God reveals himself,

916
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: and the very after God takes Job and says, I'm

917
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: going to ask you the questions.

918
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: Job. His words were, I feel like nothing right now

919
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: what I just saw and I see you in.

920
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: I know nothing. I was wrong.

921
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: I should have kept my mouth shut.

922
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: Right, Job, he was so bent on what he thought

923
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 3: was the truth of what he was going through that

924
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: God had a snap out of it.

925
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: But Jabez go back to that.

926
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: Jabez was on your knee, because he says he Jabbs

927
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: called upon the God of Israel. And this takes boldness,

928
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: all that you would bless me and enlarge my border.

929
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: Remember the guy who all he did was live a

930
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: life of pain. That's what people called him.

931
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: His name meant pain.

932
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: That you blessed me in large my border, that your

933
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: hand might be with me, they keep me from harm,

934
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: that it might not bring me pain.

935
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: He wanted to.

936
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: He wanted to get away from pain because that's all

937
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: you had. And the Bible says God granted him what

938
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: he asked. I think of Job, I think of Jabez,

939
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: and Job's perception was changed because he allowed God in

940
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: to change his perspective and because you could only heal. Listen,

941
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: no one here is going through the pain that Job went. No,

942
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: but I guarantee you nobody is. Because you didn't lose

943
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: all your possessions. You didn't lose every single kid that

944
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: you loved and then get on a sick bed, all

945
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: in one moment, all right. But he was able to

946
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 3: heal from that because he took God's thoughts. He allowed

947
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: God's thoughts and not his thoughts. And Jabez boldly pray

948
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: to pray that that was his life. You know that

949
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: was I mean, you could look through patterns. I know

950
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: you guys worked in the counseling industry. You can see

951
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: how patterns fall so easily to the next generation. But

952
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 3: Jabez decided to prayer, a bold prayer and and and

953
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: be and and walk it out that you would blend.

954
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: He had to believe that in the midst of his pain.

955
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: And so all that to say is challenge the way

956
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 3: you think about it. Look a look at Joseph. Joseph

957
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: had to challenge the way he thought about because Joseph

958
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: could have gave up right away the very first thing.

959
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: When Joseph has sold away from his family, what could

960
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: he could have momposo forget this, forget the God of Israel,

961
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: this great God, don't forget him? And could have slept

962
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: with Potiphar's wife when she gave him the chance, and

963
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 3: lived for himself.

964
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: And you know what he did.

965
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: He just stuck with God. He allowed the God thoughts

966
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: to come, and that's how he stayed faithful. He always grew. Listen,

967
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: he grew in his adversity. Think about that, you can

968
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: grow in your adversity if you stick with God. What

969
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: you think is supposed to break you down, it's everything

970
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: that builds you up and builds your platform. Like me

971
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 3: going through death and now I'm telling people's hearts to

972
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: beat again, I'm just saying the God thoughts challenge.

973
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: How you think.

974
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: I love this idea that again you hold the keys

975
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: to the change that maybe you desire in this life.

976
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: Again not saying that we are God. It's saying that

977
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: we have a choice to present these things before God

978
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: and allow him to do his immeasurable good works in

979
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: and through us. And I love this idea too of

980
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: when families tend to reproduce themselves. That's what we find

981
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: in these generational patterns, what's run And I remember sitting

982
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: across from a guy years ago who he was coming

983
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: in and telling me all the generational sin, the generational

984
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: pattern that had been passed down from generation to generation

985
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: to generation. Now it's his generation and he's moving potentially

986
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: and passing it on to the next and it wasn't

987
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: good things. And I just looked at him, and I

988
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: felt like the Holy Spirit reminded me and wanted me

989
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 2: to remind him of this truth that what's run in

990
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: your family. I hope what's run in your family runs

991
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: right into you. Hope right the generational sin of addiction

992
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: or divorce or these negative intrusive thoughts. I hope what

993
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: runs in your family runs smack into you, because you

994
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: always have the choice. Danny Goky, my friend Hope Night's tour.

995
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: Obviously we are messengers, John Reddick. Where can our audience

996
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: go to find out more and hopefully to join you

997
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: on one of these locations.

998
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: Go to Dannygoki dot com. You can get all the dates.

999
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: Even after that tour. I got a bunch of dates

1000
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: coming up and so would love to see you guys

1001
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: on these dates. Would love to worship with.

1002
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: You, Danny. I cannot wait to see what God does

1003
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: in and through you tonight. I know these women are hungry,

1004
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: they're excited, they're going to be dancing because I know

1005
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: you like to move on that stage.

1006
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: You like to move.

1007
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you to

1008
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: our audience a bill different. I just want to say

1009
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us as well. I

1010
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: hope you've been encouraged as much as I have. In

1011
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: today's conversation with Danny, just reminding us that hope is

1012
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: the key that bridges the gap between despair and resilience.

1013
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: And like he mentioned, I love the closing chat through

1014
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Job Job chapter forty two, verse five. After everything Job

1015
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: had gone through, after everything he had navigated, he finally proclaims,

1016
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: you know what, God, I'd only heard of you up

1017
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: to this point, but now I have seen you with

1018
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: my eyes. My friend, when you're in the midst of

1019
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 2: a fiery furnace or a difficult season of life, don't

1020
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: start with what you see, start with what God said.

1021
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: But then also remember this victory has a vocabulary. Make

1022
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 2: sure that you are continuing to speak those things into

1023
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: your life and over your life, as well as over

1024
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: your family and those that you love each and every day. Hey,

1025
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us. We love being a

1026
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: part of your life.

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Speaker 3: Have a great week.