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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to our episode on Jews and Christians

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Speaker 2: learning to Relate. We have a special treat today as

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Speaker 2: we're going to be interviewing a pioneer in Jewish Christian

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Speaker 2: relations from an Orthodox Jewish perspective, So please stay with us.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one

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Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series Connecting

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Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she

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Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective

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Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response.

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Speaker 3: your faith and bring the Bible to life in your

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Speaker 3: everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers.

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Speaker 2: Well, as I said, we have a special friend with us.

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Speaker 2: He's in Israel, an Orthodox Jewish proponent of Jewish Christian relations,

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Speaker 2: and he's given decades to this and there's so much

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Speaker 2: and from his story today. So I'd like to welcome

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Fieldstein for being with us, and thank you Jonathan

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Speaker 4: It's really my privileged Susan. Thank you for hosting me.

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Speaker 2: So let me share this a little bit about your background.

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Speaker 2: You are the president and CEO of the Genesis twelve

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Speaker 2: three Foundation, and I don't think I have to explain

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Speaker 2: to my audience what Genesis.

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Speaker 1: Twelfth three says, but it is.

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Speaker 2: God's promise to Abraham that a nation descendants that would

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Speaker 2: be a blessing to the world, and so that is

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Speaker 2: the name of your foundation, and through that foundation, you

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Speaker 2: are doing a lot of activities to bring Jews and

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Speaker 2: Christians together and to see that blessing realized. You also

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Speaker 2: have your own podcast called Inspiration from Zion, not to

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Speaker 2: be confused with Out of Zion, which we're on today,

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Speaker 2: and your podcast is also on the Charisma podcast Network,

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Speaker 2: so we'll link to it in today's show note so

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Speaker 2: that those that would like to can listen to your

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Speaker 2: podcast and learn more from you even after today, Johnson,

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Speaker 2: share with us first a little bit about your background

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Speaker 2: and if there was anything in your upbringing or your

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Speaker 4: Wow, you got my heart racing well. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: I'm an Orthodox Jew. But I didn't grow up as

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Speaker 4: me Jonatan. And whether he was telling me to go

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Speaker 4: it was from an Israeli intonation, and that was one

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Speaker 4: growing up in kind of a secular background in New Jersey,

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Speaker 4: I can't think of anything that would have ever touched me.

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Speaker 4: When I went away to college. I went to Emory,

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Speaker 4: it was often my first time meeting and engaging real Christians,

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Speaker 1: Relations, Well, why do you tell us that story?

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Speaker 2: Because something happened, a very specific event and time in

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I still have the bruise on my shoulder for

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Speaker 4: worked as the information officer at the Israeli Consulate in Atlanta. Now,

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Speaker 4: dancing Israeli folk dances, singing Hebrew songs, and honestly, Susan,

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Speaker 4: but it's been. It's been my passion and it's honestly,

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Speaker 4: if God calls you to do it, you still have

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Speaker 4: to do it. But in this case, I am enriched

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Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan, if I can ask you about one thing

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Speaker 2: that you just said, you said, this was the first

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Speaker 1: Is that r right? And you know, this is.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that a lot of our evangelical

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Speaker 2: It's because of the history. It's because of things that

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Speaker 2: centuries ago. But I've heard others say this that they

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Speaker 2: Do you want to add anything now, I'm putting words

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Speaker 4: in worship. And where things are relevant to me, that's great.

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Speaker 4: what are you doing? What are you doing at these conventions?

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Speaker 4: What are you doing speaking in churches? You're not supposed

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Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome back to the Out of Zion

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Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael Well.

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Speaker 2: I've spoken to a lot of Jewish audiences and they

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Speaker 2: always want to know who are evangelical Christians and what

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Speaker 2: I've given the same talk over and over and over.

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Speaker 2: But one of my observations is that a lot of them,

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Speaker 2: I always encourage them, don't go by what you're being told,

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Speaker 2: and it's the personal experience and relationship. That's what I

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Speaker 4: Correct one hundred percent, Susan Sela.

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Speaker 2: Johnathan, share with our audience some of the things that

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Speaker 2: you've done your projects Genesis twelve three, What does it do?

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Speaker 2: What have you done over the years.

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Speaker 4: So our mission is to build bridges between Jews and

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Speaker 4: Christians and Christians with Israel in ways that are new

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Speaker 4: means that I don't want to be the next Orthodox

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I never know what the plural is,

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Speaker 4: if it's Niche or Nietzsche or niche is, but the

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Speaker 4: which has been amazing for me on so many levels.

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Speaker 4: One of the things on there's so much going on,

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Speaker 4: And that's something that troubles me. And you know, a

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Speaker 4: And the operative word I think you just use is learn.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful of Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing with us today, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: In today's show notes, we link to Jonathan's podcast and

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Speaker 2: thank you everyone, and be back here next week when

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