WEBVTT - "Regime change" in Iran and a long conversation with Brit Hume

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<v Speaker 2>In irandeworried right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say he should be very worried.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he should be.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, they're negotiating with us. Morning Glory and

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<v Speaker 1>evening Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. That is President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>An hour ago, NBC News released that teaser talks have

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<v Speaker 1>broken down. They've been they never began, but they've been canceled,

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<v Speaker 1>is perhaps the right way to put it. And the

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<v Speaker 1>cancelation of those talks suggests very much that the armada

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<v Speaker 1>that is building, this immense gathering of American strength in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East is going to be put to use.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to talk now with Majority Leader John

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<v Speaker 1>Thune about that. Leader Thune, welcome. I want to begin

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<v Speaker 1>by asking if you and Senator Cotton, who are two

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Gang of Eight who get briefed on

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence matters, have been briefed on anything yet about Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in some of the Gang of Eight meetings

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<v Speaker 4>that it's been high level stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>You but you know, I obviously don't talk a lot about.

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<v Speaker 4>What it's said in those meetings, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of specificity.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, what would you conclude from the cancelation

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<v Speaker 1>of today's meetings and the dispatch of the George H. W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush carrier to join the Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that you know, obviously they're the administration perceives

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<v Speaker 4>the Iranians to be escalating, and you know, clearly cutting

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<v Speaker 4>off the talks was a was a huge signal that

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<v Speaker 4>they were sending. But I think it's I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 4>got to We've got a lot of interests to defend

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<v Speaker 4>in that region of the world, and it has implications

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<v Speaker 4>not just for that region of the world, but for

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<v Speaker 4>the entire world, and so I think the President his

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<v Speaker 4>team are right to take it seriously and to ensure

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<v Speaker 4>that America's national security interests are protected there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, last question on Iron, mister leader, if we go

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<v Speaker 1>to a battle with them, what is an acceptable conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>of that battle from your perspective.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, obviously, for me, you what would.

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<v Speaker 5>Be regime change? I mean, I think you've got to

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<v Speaker 5>get new leadership.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's no guarantee that new leadership might be the

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<v Speaker 4>answer either.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we've seen that before in other places around

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<v Speaker 5>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think that the Iranian people are clamoring

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<v Speaker 4>for a voice.

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<v Speaker 5>In their government and for the.

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<v Speaker 4>Same rights that people and freedom loving countries have around

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<v Speaker 4>the world. And I think that's what we ought to

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<v Speaker 4>be supportive of there, And so if that were an endgame,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that would be at least a great starting place.

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<v Speaker 1>We will pick it up from there. Next time we talk.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you, by the way, and congratulate

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<v Speaker 1>you for getting the Defense appropriation built done as well

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<v Speaker 1>as eleven of twelve appropriations built. Die, I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>the last time that that happens, so hack tip to

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<v Speaker 1>you the leadership Chairwoman Collins, Senator Collins, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the Appropriations Committee. When was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>that happened?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it's been a while, Hugh.

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<v Speaker 4>I was actually ran into one of my former colleagues

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<v Speaker 4>in the House of Representatives. We had come in together,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, almost now thirty years ago, and he said,

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<v Speaker 4>I think the last time we did all the appropriation

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<v Speaker 4>bills was nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well it's been a while. I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>show for twenty five years, and I do not remember

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<v Speaker 1>it ever happening before. So congratulations on that regular order

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<v Speaker 1>is restored, except for the Department of Homeland Security. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to go there and ask you where the

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<v Speaker 1>status is of those talks, what the Democrats are asking for,

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<v Speaker 1>and whether or not we have creative ass facts.

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<v Speaker 6>Well we do.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I think there are if you kind of

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<v Speaker 4>put it into three categories, there are things administrations already

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<v Speaker 4>doing which are significant, and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>the things.

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<v Speaker 5>That Democrats have asked.

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<v Speaker 4>Or then there are things you could do through that

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<v Speaker 4>DHS funding bill that are funding oriented that you could

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<v Speaker 4>you know, increase or withhold funds into.

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<v Speaker 5>Certain categories of the DHS budget.

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<v Speaker 4>But then there are the things that I think they want,

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<v Speaker 4>which are policy changes. And if they're going to insist

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<v Speaker 4>on any kind of policy changes, we're going to be

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<v Speaker 4>at the table with ours two. Because I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>we want we do not want these negotiations evolving into

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<v Speaker 4>something that makes it harder to deport and detain dangerous

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<v Speaker 4>illegal aliens.

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<v Speaker 5>That are in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you know, that bill needs to be focused

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<v Speaker 4>on protecting and ensuring that law enforcement officers are safe

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<v Speaker 4>in their jobs able to do with the American people

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<v Speaker 4>expect them to do, and to deport and detain dangerous

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<v Speaker 4>illegal aliens. How you go about that matters, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think Tom Holme has done a great job on the

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<v Speaker 4>ground there of you know, sort of getting that situation

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more in a place that hopefully the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 5>Ought to be pleased with.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I just think of the things that have

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<v Speaker 4>already been done here, including in the DHS funding bill,

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<v Speaker 4>the original one which they I agree to and help negotiate,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, that it had a number of reforms

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<v Speaker 4>in it, including body cameras, and then they walked away

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<v Speaker 4>from it. And then they walked away from the two

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<v Speaker 4>week funding bill, at least a lot of them did.

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<v Speaker 4>And the two week funding bill is way too short.

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<v Speaker 4>In the first place, I mean is.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't know what they want.

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<v Speaker 4>All they know is they want to fight Trump, and

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<v Speaker 4>that to me is a really bad motivation and it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to get them to make some bad decisions.

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<v Speaker 5>Which I think they're doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're in a box canyon out leader. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to suggest that we Republicans offer them the Dreamers,

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<v Speaker 1>which everybody in the country except five percent on each

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<v Speaker 1>edge want to be done, along with the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>cut off federal funding the sanctuary cities. Because sanctuary cities

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<v Speaker 1>are a problem. They are a refuge for dangerous illegal

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants and possibly even worse than criminals, maybe terrorists, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody wants the Dreamers done. We can flip the script here.

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<v Speaker 1>Any conversation about that on the Hill.

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<v Speaker 4>There are some conversations around that, And again I think

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<v Speaker 4>if this does get if the Democrats were actually serious

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<v Speaker 4>about negotiating, I think those are things that could be

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<v Speaker 4>put in place. Certainly, as you know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of interest on our side and doing the way with

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<v Speaker 4>sanctuary cities, which, as you point out, is a huge problem,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think the President has expressed in the past

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<v Speaker 4>some interest in dealing with the dreamer issue. I think

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<v Speaker 4>the president's in a position if he wants to to

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<v Speaker 4>be the guy, because he is viewed as the person

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<v Speaker 4>who closed and secured the border, could do something.

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<v Speaker 6>On this issue.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the end you got to have a willing partner,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>He's going to have that with the Democrats. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think right now what I've suggested, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's true, is if the Senate Democrats you

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to make a deal here, they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>have to sit down with the White House and figure

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<v Speaker 4>out a path forward. But I don't think the Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>know what they want. I mean they haven't. They haven't

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<v Speaker 4>given us the list of their demands yet other than

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<v Speaker 4>these vague categories. And I just think they're in a

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<v Speaker 4>tough spot. But tsa FEMA, Coast Guard, cyber you know,

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<v Speaker 4>assists of the cyber operations for the country are all

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<v Speaker 4>in that bill, and if they decide to shut the

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<v Speaker 4>government down, I think it's gonna it's gonna be very

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<v Speaker 4>hard position to offend.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they even have a lead negotiator, Leader Throne? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they have someone that they've had you know, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be Chuck Schumer is going to sit down with

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<v Speaker 1>later Throne and the President to work this out? Or

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<v Speaker 1>is it their appropriations? Vice Chair?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 4>They haven't said And we've been asking, you know, we've

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<v Speaker 4>we've we've said we're prepared to negotiate the White House,

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<v Speaker 4>is right, I believe.

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<v Speaker 6>To sit down.

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<v Speaker 4>Katie bred who chairs the subcommittee on Homeland on the

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<v Speaker 4>Appropriations Committee, has sort of taken the lead role or

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<v Speaker 4>at least as offered up, you know, the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 4>sit down with them, whatever the Democrats want to put forward.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, obviously we will be engaged.

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<v Speaker 5>I will be engaged in that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, in the end, the Democrats have got

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<v Speaker 4>to tell us what they want and be willing to

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<v Speaker 4>negotiate with the White House.

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<v Speaker 5>And at this point it seem like.

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<v Speaker 4>They're more interested in having the issue than they aren't

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<v Speaker 4>having a solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you personally support a deal that included both the

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<v Speaker 1>dreamers and a funding cutoff switch for sanctuary cities? And

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<v Speaker 1>that might be one hundred percent, it might be fifty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be twenty five percent of all federal funds

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<v Speaker 1>in all categories. I don't know what it is, but a.

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<v Speaker 4>Trigger, yeah, I mean, let me think about that. I

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<v Speaker 4>hate to, I mean to not negotiate in advance or

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<v Speaker 4>negotiate against yourself so to speak, until we kind of

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<v Speaker 4>figure out what the Democrats want.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think like I said.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's some things that could be put on

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<v Speaker 4>the table. This is a president who obviously likes to

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<v Speaker 4>find solutions and is willing to go places that others haven't,

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<v Speaker 4>and so let's see where the conversation goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did the first Step Act in term one.

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<v Speaker 1>A first Step Act on regularization would make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense to me. Let me close by asking you

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<v Speaker 1>about the poor people at TSA. During the last shutdown,

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<v Speaker 1>I was flying a lot and they were working without

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<v Speaker 1>pay for a long time. Are they back in the

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<v Speaker 1>same hopper again working without pay?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? I mean that's that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>Now. Fortunately, I mean that it falls on the.

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<v Speaker 6>Pay period, so they probably paid for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>But if this continues, that's what's going to happen. In fact,

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<v Speaker 4>I was just talking to one of my colleagues who

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<v Speaker 4>flew in just you know, over on Monday here to

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<v Speaker 4>come back into town and said he.

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<v Speaker 6>Was asked by TSA.

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<v Speaker 4>Agents at the airport, you know, are we going to

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<v Speaker 4>be in this situation again where we don't know where

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<v Speaker 4>the next paycheck.

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<v Speaker 5>Is coming from.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what the that's what the Democrats are. This is

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<v Speaker 4>where this ends up, where this leads us, and again

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<v Speaker 4>that's not a good outcome for anybody. So I hope

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<v Speaker 4>they figure out what they want, are willing to sit down,

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<v Speaker 4>negotiate in good faith, and let's see if there's a

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<v Speaker 4>there there, But if not, at least helped let us

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<v Speaker 4>fund these agencies with a continuing resolution.

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<v Speaker 6>Until the end of the fiscal year.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, at a minimum, they ought to be willing

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<v Speaker 4>to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Majority Later, John, thank thank you for joining me. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, good luck to your South Dakota quarterback who's

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the fabled Halls of Columbus for greener pastors. But

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<v Speaker 1>good luck to Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a good quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's gonna be a great, great kid down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Leadership. Don't go anywhere, America. I'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back with Mary Katherine Ham. Then the one and only

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<v Speaker 1>Brit Hume joins me for a long conversation about the

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<v Speaker 1>President and Iron and about the Washington Post and about

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, all the presidents that he has covered and

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<v Speaker 1>how they have used force. Don't miss any part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it rolls out throughout the today's program on the

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<v Speaker 1>qqu AT Show. Welcome back, America. I'm to do it

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<v Speaker 1>under the thone as usual. Not easy to pin down

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<v Speaker 1>on stuff, but fun to talk to anyway, as is

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Katherine Ham, host of Getting Hammered podcasts, which I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to this morning on my way to the dentist

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<v Speaker 1>Shin Vick Mattis for talking about their first cards, Mary Catherineham,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had a nineteen sixty eight bug, was it

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<v Speaker 1>held together with what don't exist anymore?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean they did at the time.

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<v Speaker 8>It was a little bit of a you know, work

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<v Speaker 8>in progress.

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<v Speaker 7>We had to keep it running, yes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my first car, and I'm considerably older than you,

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<v Speaker 1>since you're the age of my daughter. My first car

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<v Speaker 1>was a nineteen seventy three Dodge Dart Sport with a

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<v Speaker 1>racing stripe, I will tell you. And it was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It went until the frame cracked a two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand miles. Let me ask you what you and

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<v Speaker 1>Vic did not talk about is your theory of cars

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<v Speaker 1>as adults. Do you buy them used or new?

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<v Speaker 8>Most of ours have been Well, I haven't had that

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<v Speaker 8>many cars because I drive them until they die pretty much,

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<v Speaker 8>or until I have more children and need a new

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<v Speaker 8>car because I just can't fit anymore so, But I'm

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<v Speaker 8>now on a plan of we buy usually new, try

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<v Speaker 8>to negotiate well, and try not to have a long

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<v Speaker 8>term loan on it Ramsey style.

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<v Speaker 1>I buy lightly used cars, and I think I've persuaded

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<v Speaker 1>all the kids to buy lightly used cars rather than

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<v Speaker 1>lose forty percent of the value when they drive it

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<v Speaker 1>off the lot. But then I never ever ever give

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<v Speaker 1>them back. I'm still driving a twenty ten car that

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<v Speaker 1>and it will drive forever, I think, because I'll pay

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<v Speaker 1>the repair bills because it's free to me. Mary Catherine,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that you were a wrencher, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>a gear gal. How much actual work did you do

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<v Speaker 1>on that bug?

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<v Speaker 7>No, I didn't do a ton.

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<v Speaker 8>I could change spark plugs, I can change brake pads

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<v Speaker 8>if I really have to, and I regularly changed oil.

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<v Speaker 7>Those are the three things that I could do well.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are three things I've never done, not once on

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<v Speaker 1>any car. So you're way ahead of me. What about Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>the husband, have said Mary Catherine Ham.

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<v Speaker 7>He knows his way around. I have not.

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<v Speaker 8>Actually since we've been together, you know, we have newish cars,

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<v Speaker 8>so there's not as much call to do anything. And

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<v Speaker 8>this is one of the things that has changed about

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<v Speaker 8>car culture. It's not easy to work on your car

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<v Speaker 8>now because it's got eight thousand computers inside it, and

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<v Speaker 8>you can't do what you used to be able to

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<v Speaker 8>do when you could just figure things out.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a do it yourself person and I am done.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in the in finding experts and have them

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<v Speaker 1>come and then pay them. Does do the girls Do

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<v Speaker 1>your kids have any knack for this yet? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>believe it's either it's a genetic thing and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the gene.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I will say that we train them to do

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<v Speaker 8>household things right, so they're going to know when they

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<v Speaker 8>get to college and they live with some hopeless roommate

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<v Speaker 8>who can't do anything, They're going to know how to

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<v Speaker 8>change the tank of the innards of their toilet tank.

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<v Speaker 7>They're going to know how to patch holes and walls.

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<v Speaker 8>They're going to know how to do some stuff, take

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<v Speaker 8>out trash, put the dishwasher stuff away.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, they know how to do that kind of thing, in.

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<v Speaker 1>Valuable skills that my children do not have as we

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<v Speaker 1>did not have them. Now, Mary Catherine, we might be

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<v Speaker 1>going to war as we speak. I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to a very serious thing, then come back to

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<v Speaker 1>a light hearted thing, and then a very serious thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we're going to war where.

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<v Speaker 3>They were on?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it seems likely to me every time Trump

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<v Speaker 8>says that he's going to do something that it is

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<v Speaker 8>likely to happen. In the case of the Iranian protesters,

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<v Speaker 8>he seemed very explicitly to encourage them. I know that

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<v Speaker 8>not doing anything obvious doesn't mean that there aren't things

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<v Speaker 8>going on behind the scenes, but I did feel like

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<v Speaker 8>a pretty large promise was made to look out for

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<v Speaker 8>those guys. And now many, many, many people are dead,

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<v Speaker 8>and if he feels that he can support them by

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<v Speaker 8>taking kinetic action, as they say, I think he might

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<v Speaker 8>do that very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I did a long interview with Brit Hume before

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<v Speaker 1>the program today, and Britt and I agree that if

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't do anything, he goes into the Obama category,

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<v Speaker 1>gives away all the credibility he built up with Operation

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<v Speaker 1>Midnight ham or Absolute Resolve, killing SOLEMANI, killing out Back Daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>It all goes away if he doesn't do anything. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you agree with that assessment?

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<v Speaker 7>I agree with that. I think that's what he cares about.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it is a danger for him, and I

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<v Speaker 8>think it's something that's on his mind because he very

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<v Speaker 8>much values that credibility to be able to make the

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<v Speaker 8>call and follow through on it, and it ends very badly,

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<v Speaker 8>as we saw with the Obama doctrine.

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<v Speaker 7>If you let red lines just go right past.

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<v Speaker 1>Now to a lighthearted subject. I'm intimidated by Brit Hume

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<v Speaker 1>because he's been doing that. He's been a five star

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<v Speaker 1>game forever. It's sort of like the Lebron Jaime of news.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have you done panels with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 8>And I would say the same, Hugh, because I've been

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<v Speaker 8>watching him for years and trusting him and seeing him

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<v Speaker 8>as someone I would like to emulate the best I

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<v Speaker 8>can because I'm never going to be Brit Hume. But

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<v Speaker 8>when I am on a panel with him, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I got to really I got to really bring my

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<v Speaker 8>a game. But you can't get in your head because

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<v Speaker 8>then you'll get too nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, trusting him, that's the key word. Trust. We also

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the Washington Post, which is collapsing in real

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<v Speaker 1>time before our eyes, and I feel bad about that,

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<v Speaker 1>and he feels great regret about that. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel about it?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't love it.

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<v Speaker 8>I do think that, even though I don't have rose

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<v Speaker 8>colored glasses about the past and the way that news

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<v Speaker 8>was covered, I do think newspapers. I grew up in

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<v Speaker 8>a newspaper family, and my father was a newspaper editor.

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<v Speaker 8>I think particularly local metro dailies.

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<v Speaker 7>Were quite important.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the newspaper fights between those local metro dailies

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<v Speaker 8>meant that city and state government got covered in a

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<v Speaker 8>much more thorough.

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<v Speaker 7>Way than they do now, even if it was a.

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<v Speaker 8>Little biased on state level, not as bad as it

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<v Speaker 8>is on a national level. So I have some sadness

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<v Speaker 8>about it. I'm an original, ink stained wretch. I worked

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<v Speaker 8>in newspapers, and yet they have brought this on themselves.

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<v Speaker 8>The industry has not adapted and has not maintained trust

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<v Speaker 8>because it keeps handing out trust like it thought it

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<v Speaker 8>was going to last forever on the advertising dollars of

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<v Speaker 8>the year nineteen ninety eight, and once Craigslist came about,

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<v Speaker 8>that wasn't going to happen anymore. And now you've got

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<v Speaker 8>alternative media sources, with many of which I trust more

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<v Speaker 8>than the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 1>Trust is the key word again. Now I want to

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<v Speaker 1>close reething very scerious I spent a couple of hours

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday very anxious because in my daughter's neighborhood in Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>it was believed that an eight year old had gone

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<v Speaker 1>through the ice, and it was very, very worrisome for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of hours. It turned out not to have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight year old turning goodness, I know, but going through

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<v Speaker 1>the ice is something I know about because I grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in Ohio and ponds always froze. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't go on the ice because you didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you knew how to judge color. You take a

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<v Speaker 1>broom out. Do southern people not know what northern people

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<v Speaker 1>grow up with about ice, about sledding, about driving in

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<v Speaker 1>the snow, all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>No, we know nothing.

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<v Speaker 8>We know nothing, And I know my limitations, which is

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<v Speaker 8>why when it's like this outside, I'm like, you won't

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<v Speaker 8>see me going very far from the house.

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<v Speaker 7>You won't see me going on great adventures.

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<v Speaker 8>I consider myself not a very timid person, but when

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<v Speaker 8>it comes to feats of winter Olympics style, it's not

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<v Speaker 8>for me.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Your girls know about not going on ice in nearby

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<v Speaker 1>creeks and stuff like that. Now, you don't live in

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<v Speaker 1>an area with a lot of water. You might maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lake in your area, but it's just not

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<v Speaker 1>something that Southern kids ever learn to judge.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, we don't really encounter it, and they wouldn't know

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<v Speaker 8>based on color, how thick the ice was, or anything

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<v Speaker 8>like that.

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<v Speaker 7>But they are they're generally not risk takers.

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<v Speaker 8>I should probably have a discussion with my younger two,

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<v Speaker 8>who are risk takers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, they didn't the rooms.

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<v Speaker 8>They're not big enough to get where they would need

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<v Speaker 8>to go to try this.

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<v Speaker 7>But in the future we will have to have a

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<v Speaker 7>discussion about that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, good, I'm bringing it up just so that

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<v Speaker 1>the entire radio audience now knows, and those watching on

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<v Speaker 1>the Sale News channel talk to your kids about ice.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't let them go on the ice. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>long two hours yesterday, Mary Katherine, I'm Getting Hammered is back.

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<v Speaker 1>follow on x by the Way at mk Hammer, follow

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<v Speaker 1>Vic at Victor Madison follow me to the next semment Morning,

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<v Speaker 1>Glory and even Grace America. I'm Hugh Hughitt. I got

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<v Speaker 1>to keep you up to speed with what is going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the world. The canceled talks with Iran or

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<v Speaker 1>back on because nine of our allies asked us to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I'm not sure it matters. John pod Horns

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<v Speaker 1>joins me. He's editor of Commentary magazine. Follow him on

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<v Speaker 1>EXI J pod Horts listening the Commentary Pod every day, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this matters. What even a bit. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're going to have a battle with Iran. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that's likely because Iran is going to make

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<v Speaker 9>it happen. That's this is the ball is now in

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<v Speaker 9>Iran's court. So if they're going to have fire drones

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<v Speaker 9>at us, if they're going to try to board our ships,

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<v Speaker 9>we're gonna swat away the drones. We're going to ignore

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<v Speaker 9>them on boarding our ships. But they not only do

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<v Speaker 9>they not want these talks, they want to provoke us

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<v Speaker 9>into fighting them, and so we're going to end up

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<v Speaker 9>doing that. Even if there are signs that the administration

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<v Speaker 9>seems kind of divided on whether or not to take

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<v Speaker 9>the final steps.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier, in the first start of today's program, I had

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<v Speaker 1>on the majority leader of thone and I began by

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<v Speaker 1>asking him what the result of any battle ought to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we play that clip for John? Last question on Iron,

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<v Speaker 1>mister leader, if we go to a battle with them,

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<v Speaker 1>what is an acceptable conclusion of that battle from your perspective?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, obviously, for me, what would be regime change? I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I think you've got to get a new leadership. And

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<v Speaker 4>there's no guarantee that new leadership might be the answer either.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we've seen that before in other places around

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<v Speaker 5>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think that the Ranian people are clamoring

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<v Speaker 4>for a voice and in their government and for the

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<v Speaker 4>same rights that people and freedom loving countries have around

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<v Speaker 4>the world. And I think that's what we ought to

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<v Speaker 4>be supportive of there, so that we're an endgame, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that would be at least a great starting place.

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<v Speaker 1>John bod Ortz, I find that clarity to be refreshing.

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<v Speaker 1>Regime change and decapitation is what I think. I would say.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get rid of the Iatolas. I don't care if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a general or not. Get rid of the Iotola.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fanatics.

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<v Speaker 9>There can be no other purpose for our military conflict

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<v Speaker 9>with Iran but the ending of the mollocracy. What would

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<v Speaker 9>be engaging with them for otherwise to teach them a

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<v Speaker 9>lesson to who are we attacking? I mean, the only

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<v Speaker 9>thing that we have to attack here is the regime

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<v Speaker 9>that killed upwards of or may have killed as many

0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.159
<v Speaker 9>as thirty thousand people in forty eight hours in an

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<v Speaker 9>effort to stem a genuine nationwide revolt against their leadership.

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<v Speaker 9>We wouldn't be exercising military options against Iran if there

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<v Speaker 9>were no If there were, that's the only purpose that

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<v Speaker 9>we have. And what regime change means, or decapitation means

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<v Speaker 9>in this context is they're gotten rid of and then

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<v Speaker 9>begins a new era in which we don't really understand

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<v Speaker 9>what happens over the course of the following year. Is

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<v Speaker 9>there a general who can take the place to someone

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<v Speaker 9>come in? Is there some kind of a coalition of

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<v Speaker 9>leader of this sort of dissident leaders until they can

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<v Speaker 9>either write a constitution, come to new elections, or restore

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<v Speaker 9>the old constitution that was in place before nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really know that. But there is.

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<v Speaker 9>Genuinely no purpose to kinetic military action of any kind

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<v Speaker 9>that does not result in the regime being ended.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to yesterday poadcast of commentary podcast but Eli

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<v Speaker 1>Lake explaining that Reza Pablobby has a thirty percent approval rating.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. I don't have an opinion on who runs

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<v Speaker 1>they They can't have nukes and they can't have ballistic missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my opinion. And we have other monarchies in the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf that are our allies, and we can have a

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>monarchy in or a military hunta provided they don't threaten

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the world with fanaticism. Is that a fair accurate statement

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<v Speaker 1>of our minimum demand on Iran? No more fanatics? It's

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<v Speaker 1>totally fair. This regime has been a place for forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. Around forty seven years, right, so what is

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<v Speaker 1>it done?

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<v Speaker 9>Caused a war with Iraq that cost a million or

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<v Speaker 9>two million.

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<v Speaker 1>Lives over eight years.

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<v Speaker 9>Still the world's premier state sponsor of terrorism, killed a

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<v Speaker 9>thousand Americans in Iraq, you know, suppressed revolt after revolt

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 9>after revolt, and then of course organized this twenty year

0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 9>effort in the north, from the north end, from the

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<v Speaker 9>from the coast of the Mediterranean to destroy Israel and

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.479
<v Speaker 9>you know, take over Lebanon and take over Syria and

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 9>all of that. It has been nothing but an evil

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:18.280
<v Speaker 9>actor for almost half a century. So it being gone

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:23.040
<v Speaker 9>is a net benefit to the world no matter who

0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:27.679
<v Speaker 9>replaces it, because, as I think Eleanna Johnson said on

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<v Speaker 9>our podcast today, whoever replaces it.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't be worse.

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<v Speaker 9>It can't be worse like literally, no regime can be

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<v Speaker 9>worse than this regime has been for a half century.

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<v Speaker 9>And of course I didn't even mention taking our hostages

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<v Speaker 9>and holding them for four hundred and forty four days.

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<v Speaker 1>And you didn't mention the mat and you didn't mention

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<v Speaker 1>Kobar Towers, and you didn't mention the Argentina Jewish Center,

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't mention there so.

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<v Speaker 3>Many there are so many.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's impossible to enumerate the evil that this regime

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<v Speaker 9>is done outside its borders and inside its borders.

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<v Speaker 1>So if there's a partner, I made the argument, there's

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<v Speaker 1>also only one power in the world that can punish

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 1>them for a slaughter the magnitude of which has not

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<v Speaker 1>been rivaled in my lifetime, not anything remotely. Tannem And

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Square was perhaps four thousand people, minimum thirty thousand people slaughtered,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly teenagers and college students, young people. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the West can just walk away from that. It's got

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>to be traumatic inside of Iran. But we are apparently

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<v Speaker 1>indifferent to it in the legacy media.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, that's we are, and obviously so are the

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 9>celebrities who said nothing about it after you know, talking

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.360
<v Speaker 9>about ice and talking about Gaza. Nobody at the Grammys,

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 9>nobody at these awards ceremonies is saying boo about this

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 9>massacre of you know, thirty thousand people or more that

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 9>took place just on January eighth and ninth. So, yes,

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 9>there is a kind of weird blind eye being turned

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 9>to this, and yet we are the only people who

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<v Speaker 9>can punish them for this barbaric evil. It is not

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:13.199
<v Speaker 9>necessary to our national interests that we do that. But

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<v Speaker 9>once we started down this road and the President started

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 9>saying he was going to punish them, and that we

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 9>are you know, going where we're going. I don't even

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 9>understand what the negotiations are for. Are we negotiating?

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I had britt him on before the show. I'm playing

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<v Speaker 1>the tape out in the course of the program, and

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Bridd said, after a build up of this sort and

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the statements that have been made. He has to use

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<v Speaker 1>the military there now. I'm aware of the threat, the

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Sheffield threat. You know when Argentina hit a British ship

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 1>during the Falklands I'm aware that they could hit our

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 1>bases and Americans can die in our military is and harms. Way,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think President Trump cannot do anything now without

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<v Speaker 1>losing all of the credibility built up with Solimani albag

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<v Speaker 1>Dottie Midnight Hammer and absolute result. Do you agree with

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>that if he walks away now, he's back in the

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<v Speaker 1>Obama lane.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that's pretty true. And look, remember the Iranian

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 9>timeline is on it. The Iranians have a different perspective

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 9>on us and our involvement in the Middle East than

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 9>we have. We think that we were engaged in a

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 9>war with Iraq in two thousand and three with the

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 9>Saddam Hussein regime. The Iranians think that they beat us

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 9>in Iraq. The Iranians think that they after the war

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 9>was over, they stimulated a civil war.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened. That happened.

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<v Speaker 2>The other happened.

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<v Speaker 9>They hit us and killed our people in within the

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 9>borders of Iraq without any response and without any complaint

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 9>public complaint, although people did mention it in congressional testimony

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 9>and things like that, and they may look at us,

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 9>with the exception of the Solmani assassination and the obviously

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 9>the strike in midnight Hammer and say, you know what,

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 9>we talk a good game, and once we really hit

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 9>them hard, but you know, they just stick at it

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 9>and we'll go away because we don't have the stomach

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 9>to face them.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>And Trump needs to prove them wrong. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>did last question John Podhortz, and maybe he discussed it

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 1>this money. I'll be listening to commentary tonight. What is

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<v Speaker 1>the window here for timely action? I think it's to

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>the middle of March, or however long it takes to

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 1>get every fad battery and Patriot battery over there to

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 1>protect Israel and our allies and the Gulf. So I'm

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>not really concerned about tomorrow. What do you think we

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<v Speaker 1>got about a minute?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I would say we have.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, in some sense we have all the time

0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 9>in the world, by which I mean if we have

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 9>determined that the regime must go, and there's no immediate

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 9>reason that the regime.

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Must go, we could do it today. We could do

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>it in March.

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 9>We could do it in May as long as we

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 9>are assured of succes. So that may be the thing

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 9>that's holding the president back is the decision to ratchet

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 9>up the percentage chance of success from eighty eight percent

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 9>to ninety six percent, and then he'll go.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's well said, and at the same time

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 1>defend our people, our military, and our allies as much

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>as possible by letting them know this is what we're

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>going to do. We're not going to tell you when

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>be ready. John bod Ortz, I can't wait to listen

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<v Speaker 1>in America at Stay tuned. Welcome back in America. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>do it in Early Factor Studio West. I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 1>one of the West great governors, Governor Greg g and

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<v Speaker 1>Forte of Montana. Governor, welcome back to the program. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand Erica Kirk is in the Big Sky state today.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that all about.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, we were thrilled to have Erica Kirk here. We've

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 10>been promoting Turning Point USA's program to help get high

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 10>school students to love America.

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<v Speaker 2>This is called Club America.

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<v Speaker 10>Twelve percent of all the high schools in Montana have

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<v Speaker 10>a Club America. These are really civics organizations, and we

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 10>stated very clearly Erica Kirk was here to support the

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 10>effort that we want a Club America chapter in every

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 10>single high school in the state of Montana.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is Club America set out to do? Governor?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a bipartisan or a neutral as to R

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and D civics course or is it center right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 10>This is about American exceptionalism, our founding fathers, and engagement

0:30:55.080 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 10>with our community. So it teaches young kids, mostly conservative

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 10>of kids that love America to have a peer group

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 10>so they can support each other get involved in community service.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 10>Whereas Turning Point has their college campuses those lean more

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 10>a little more political, the high school chapters are really

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 10>focused on civics education, limited government, and American values.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevinor, I've always been when I've talked to young people,

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<v Speaker 1>a big advocate of speech and debate only because they

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 1>actually have to stand up and learn something about the

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>way the country is working. For exact, we're about to

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>go to into a battle with Iran, I think, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get your opinion on that in a second,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think speech and debate is probably the best

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>way to do it. But Club America would be a

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>good option. Have the principles and the teachers been open

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we had a young lady, Naomi.

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<v Speaker 10>She spoke to the group, we had about seventy these

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 10>high school students here at the Capitol today along with

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 10>Erica Kirk and other representatives, and she said that she

0:31:57.880 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 10>had to.

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Fight her way through to get a charter in her

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>high school. We're hoping with.

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<v Speaker 10>Our advocacy to provide a little air cover for him

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<v Speaker 10>so it's easier for these high school students to start

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<v Speaker 10>these chapters.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, our mutual friend, the late Foster Freeze, was

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<v Speaker 1>a big force behind Charlie getting started. I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 1>hear Erica is back in Montana picking up the baton

0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>in that great state, the very patriotic state to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine Montana would not want to put

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<v Speaker 1>its arms around Club America.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to have one in every high school.

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<v Speaker 10>And as you know, I mean you've known, you knew

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<v Speaker 10>Charlie for a long time.

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I did as well.

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<v Speaker 10>Foster, I understand, wrote Charlie his first check when Charlie

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 10>trapped him in a stairwell at some national convincement.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie told me a number of years ago, as we've had.

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<v Speaker 10>Him to our home many times, Charlie and I spent

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 10>three days hiking and hunting in the mountains of Montana together,

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<v Speaker 10>just the two of us.

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>He told me. My wife and I.

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<v Speaker 10>Wrote after Foster, we wrote Charlie his second check. Am

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 10>I Good fourteen years ago to help Turning Point get started.

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<v Speaker 2>And we just we love the organization. We love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It embraces American values, and you know.

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<v Speaker 10>It has just exploded since his assassination. And I'm so

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<v Speaker 10>proud of Erica, both the message she sent to America

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<v Speaker 10>around forgiveness and walking out her faith in what she

0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 10>did in that memorial service in Phoenix. We were right

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 10>there in the near the front row, and continues to

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<v Speaker 10>do and it's difficult, but she is persevering because for her,

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 10>it's truly a calling to reclaim America for conservative values.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never met Erica Kirk and I just admire

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>her courage from Afar and the fact that she picked

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 1>up the flag and carrying it forward. Now, Governor, I

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>want to draw on your experience in Congress as well

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>as no doubt the National Guard in Montana has had

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to deploy before. Looks like we're about to go to

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<v Speaker 1>war with Iran. Is that how you're reading this situation.

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<v Speaker 10>It does not appear that Iran is willing to come

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<v Speaker 10>to the table and do the things they must do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the.

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<v Speaker 10>President has laid out the terms very clearly, no nukes

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 10>and you got to stop killing your people. The President

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<v Speaker 10>is the master of the deal, but the terms are

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<v Speaker 10>on the table. The Iranians need to pick them up.

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<v Speaker 1>That is well said, Governor, and I'm going to leave

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it right there because that's what John Thune said apparently

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 1>in the Mountain West People Prize Clarity interactions. So I

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. Governor Greg Janforte, thank you for joining me today.

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it very very much. I want to play

0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 1>again for all of you just tuned in. Here is

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 1>what John Thune said to me earlier today on this

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 1>program about Iran. Can you play it for me this

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>question on Iran, mister Leader, If we go to a

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>battle with them, what is an acceptable conclusion of that

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<v Speaker 1>battle from your perspective?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, obviously for me, you what would be regime change?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think you've got to get new leadership.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's no guarantee that new leadership might.

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<v Speaker 6>Be the answer either.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we've seen that before in other places around

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 4>the world. But I do think that the Iranian people

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 4>are clamoring for a voice and in their government and

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.720
<v Speaker 4>for the same rights that people and freedom loving countries

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 4>have around the world. And I think that's what we

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 4>ought to be supportive of there, and so that we're

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 4>an endgame, I think that would be at least a

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 4>great starting place.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the kind of clarity we need. I

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>appreciate greatly that the majority of Leader was that blunt.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people hate the term regime change because

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>they attribute to it. It's like talking about regularization for dreamers.

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 1>They attribute to whatever it is you're saying qualities that

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 1>are not there. We don't want to run around and

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I am completely indifferent too. Takes over Iran provided they

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>do not threaten their neighbors, do not kill their people,

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 1>do not threaten Americans, and are not theological fanatics possessed

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 1>of a millenarium end Times vision about the twelfth amount.

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<v Speaker 1>And as John Bodortz at the beginning of this program,

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>they have been about this project for forty seven years.

0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>I've watched it from the beginning. I'll talk with brit

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Hume about it in hour three. There is no getting

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>away from the fact that regime is never ever going

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 1>to change until it has changed from outside. And we

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>are the people, probably along with Israel, maybe along with

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 1>other Gulf states, to make that change and decapitate the regime.

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know that we want to have anyone

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>on the ground. Ever, the Iranian people will sort it out,

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and the Iranian military should come to their aid in

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>doing so, the regular army, not the IRGC. But you

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>murder thirty thousand people, there is nothing you won't do.

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So they can't have ballistic missiles, they can't have nuclear weapons,

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 1>they can't continue to assault people around the world as

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 1>they have for a half century. And I'm glad, well,

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>this is what Donald Trump told NBC earlier today. CUTT

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<v Speaker 1>number ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Should the Supreme Leader in Iran be worried right now, I.

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Would say he should be very worried.

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he should be, as you know they're negotiating with

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I think very worried is the right thing. Coming right

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 1>back America.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh beautiful day.

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 9>I'm just so glad of a leaf.

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Quarter back America. That is jelly Roll, of course, And

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>jelly Roll was honored at the Grammys, which were mostly

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 1>noted for how stupid they were, But jelly Roll was

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.799
<v Speaker 1>actually quite inspirational. I know about that. I didn't watch

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.479
<v Speaker 1>it because of a column by my guest Selena Zito,

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>who joins me. Now, Hi, Selena, anybody interesting talk to

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you recently?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just.

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 11>Talked to the President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's on the president's mind as we get close

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<v Speaker 1>to war? Can you tell us? I don't want obviously,

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you can't break comment.

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 11>I cannot tell you other than it has to do

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 11>with the great state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I hope he's going, and I hope if he's going,

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 1>you're going, And I hope if you're going, you'll tell

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>me about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it was a grand column about jelly Roll. By

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the way, how long did you talk to the president.

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<v Speaker 11>For about fourteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's always kind of fun the interview. You

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>have to have talked to the president because then it

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.720
<v Speaker 1>proves to my audience in fact, she is the president's

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 1>favorite journalist. I believe it's a matter of statistical proof.

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Number of minutes spent in conversation with a journalist on

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>the record is Selena Zito And you can tell by Butler.

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>So Selena tell people about Jelly Roll and I honestly

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't know anything about him ntil I read your column.

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 11>I have been a really big fan of his, not

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 11>just because of his sound. He has a unique sound,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 11>sort of in the way that Johnny Cash had a

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 11>unique sound when when he first came on on the

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 11>scene back in the sixties, fifties and sixties. But he

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 11>This is a story of redemption. This is a This

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 11>is a young man from from Tennessee who, as he

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 11>calls himself, trader, part trash and grew up surrounded by addiction,

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:35.319
<v Speaker 11>became addicted himself, found himself in jail, found himself not

0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 11>a good guy, who found Jesus and is so grateful

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 11>that his life has turned around that when he received

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 11>his Award on Sunday night that that he didn't say

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.760
<v Speaker 11>the word I at all other than when he said, like.

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 3>I have not been a good person.

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<v Speaker 11>But he talked about we.

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 2>And he and he.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 11>He gave thanks to God, and he gave thanks to

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 11>his family, and he gave thanks to his fans and

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.840
<v Speaker 11>showed this gratefulness that we don't see a lot in

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 11>our culture. And it was such a powerful moving moment.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 11>And he held up his little red Bible and he said,

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 11>there were times in my life where all I have

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 11>was this little red Bible and a radio about the

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 11>same size, and that's what got me through it. And that,

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 11>by the grace of God, here a mine.

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<v Speaker 1>So Selena, I'm interested in this for a couple of reasons. One,

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the only story I saw about the Emmys was about

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you can't be a legal on Stolen Land by Billy

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and I thought to myself, this was a dumb show.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So did anyone notice Jelly role other than you?

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.280
<v Speaker 11>The middle of the country did for sure. Right where,

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 11>no matter what your faith is, your belief in God

0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:01.399
<v Speaker 11>and faith is often central to your life and how

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:03.920
<v Speaker 11>you get through your daily life and the people that

0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:09.759
<v Speaker 11>support you, whether they're family, whether they're spouses, whether their community,

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 11>and it was just it is such an un heralded

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 11>characteristic that you hear coming from people in Hollywood, and

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 11>but yet it is something that is very important to

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 11>those of us who live in the middle of the country.

0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 1>All those those are church, those who believe in Jesus,

0:41:32.640 --> 0:41:35.720
<v Speaker 1>or who believe in God, or just generally have even

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.520
<v Speaker 1>an ethical view of the world, might be indeed inspired

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>by that. I'm not surprised it did not get picked

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>up by legacy media. I'm so glad you wrote that

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>column because I would never have known that that happened, because,

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 1>like most of America, you couldn't pay me to watch

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the Grammys. Now, Selena, I want to turn to your

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>telephone friend. I don't know if you talked about Iran,

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not asked can you to quote him? But

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think is happening here?

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<v Speaker 11>I think, much like with what happened in Venezuela, will

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 11>know it when it happens. He for as much for

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 11>as transparent as Trump is, for as much as we

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 11>seem to think we know and understand his every thought,

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 11>there are many things that happened in the back channel

0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 11>that he comes close to his vest and we find

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.439
<v Speaker 11>out when we find out, and I believe that that's

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 11>what's going to happen with Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Next hour, I'm going to play part of an interview

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I did with great humor earlier today in which he

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>says media has so missed and misunderstood President Trump because

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>of how loud he is and how out of that

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>mold he is, that they don't really cover what he does.

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>And it resonated with me. Does that resonate with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it absolutely does.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, he was triumphant at Davos, and because he

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 11>was so loud, it's because he was so outside the

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 11>it was covered as though it was a failure. But

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 11>the things that he got down at Gabos are are

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 11>absolutely unbelievable, and the relationships that were formed there. But

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 11>because my profession fails to understand how he does what

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 11>he does blows my mind. And I really want to

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 11>make this point. Do you remember when Barack Obama came

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 11>out in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 11>and everybody, every journalist, ran to get his book right

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 11>and dive into them and just you know, pick it

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 11>apart and talk about how brilliant he was and how

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 11>it got inside who he was. Had anybody gotten and

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:48.720
<v Speaker 11>read Trump's book Are of the Deal? Because it's all

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 11>in there, and it frustrates the heck out of me

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 11>that nobody says, oh, this is how he operates.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Very unfortunate for the people of Iran who got murdered

0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 1>by these fanatics they didn't read it before they did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because what is coming, I think is as certain as

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I think Eisenhower said, as certain as sunrise follows night.

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 1>What is coming to Iran is certain. I don't know when,

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how, and I know it's dangerous for

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>our military. I don't take it lightly, but I think

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.320
<v Speaker 1>it's certain. Selena Zito always good to talk to you.

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Follow her on exat Zito Selena Zito Selena, or go

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and just sign up for all of her columns at

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Selenazito dot com or website. And the next time that

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 1>we have an interview scheduled, I think the President will

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>probably call you again right beforehand, so that we have

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.240
<v Speaker 1>to worry about dumping out of the interview and finding

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 1>something else to play b well. Selena author of the

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.879
<v Speaker 1>best selling Butler, and she's going to tell me about

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:54.919
<v Speaker 1>Ohio when I'm allowed to know about Ohio, not before.

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I would trust Selena with anything off the record. Don't

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 1>go anywhere America. I'm coming right back morning or eating

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 1>grace in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm joined by Ambassador

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Robert Shie O'Brian. Ambassador O'Brien was the National Security advisor

0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>for President Trump in the first term. He joins me

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 1>on a very portentious day, mister ambassador, you're watching the news.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think looms ahead with Iran?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, I think the President is going to hit around

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 12>and he's given her He's very predictable. He gives these

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 12>bad guys a chance to do the right thing. When

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:32.919
<v Speaker 12>they don't, he hits them, and he hits them hard.

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 12>And he's given the Iranians a chance to give up

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 12>their original program, which is a bare minimum for the

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:39.720
<v Speaker 12>United States.

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>We have to have a nuclear free.

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 12>Ad He's given her a chance to give their ballistic

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 12>missile program, and they've use US missiles to hit him

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 12>Eric Basis and to trialize some friends in the region.

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 12>And he's given a chance to stop supplying the huties

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 12>and the headline and amas with the weapons of bass

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 12>destruction to hit America. So he's got three opportunities, and

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 12>I think they're gonna they're gonna turn it.

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Turn it down now, mister ambassador, the when you were

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>with the President, he did strike Sulimani, and he didn't

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.439
<v Speaker 1>give any warning about that unless it was given through

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 1>back channels. This is very very loud and clear, in fact,

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.799
<v Speaker 1>so clear. Here's what Senator John Thune told me the

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>majority leader of the Senate earlier in the program today.

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's play that for Ambassador O'Brien. Last question on iron,

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>mister leader, if if we go to a battle with them,

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>what is an acceptable conclusion of that battle from your perspective?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, obviously, for me, what would be regime change.

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think you've got to get a new

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 4>leadership and there and there's no guarantee that new leadership

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:49.920
<v Speaker 4>might be the answer either. I mean, we've seen that

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 4>before in other places around the world. But I do

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 4>think that the Iranian people are clamoring for a voice and.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 5>In their government and for the same.

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 4>Rights that people in freedom loving countries have around the world,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's what we ought to be supportive

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 4>of there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm mister ambassador, what do you think about regime change?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, So later though, it was absolutely right, and Santa

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 12>Too hit the nail on the head. This is a

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.319
<v Speaker 12>government that's been at war with America for fifty years, Hugh.

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 12>I mean they started out their regime by taking our

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.719
<v Speaker 12>amplomat's hostage for four hundred and forty four days, right

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 12>to humiliated the United States of America. Certainly Jimmy Carter.

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 12>They did in a continue too, bombed our embassy in

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.400
<v Speaker 12>Beirut through the heads blow the Party.

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Of God which they founded in Lebanon.

0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 12>They then killed two hundred and forty one Marines at

0:47:40.560 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 12>the Marine barracks and beaut the largest loss of life

0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 12>of the marine course in tb with Regima.

0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 3>They then hit.

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 12>Kobar towers and hit our soldiers in Marriman and Saudi Arabia.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 12>They killed hundreds, if not thousands of the U. S.

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 12>Soldiers and who were having to bring democracy to Iraq.

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 12>And they're threatening even today to kill the President of

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 12>the United States. So this is a governments of war

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 12>with America, and the only way to the war is

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 12>in that government.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there in your mind a preferred successor at many

0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean the president has said nothing about the Crown Prince,

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>he said nothing about the Iranian army. He said nothing

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>about anything, just that they have to they're not going

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to give up their missiles. And that means regime change.

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:29.759
<v Speaker 1>What do you want to see happen there afterwards?

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<v Speaker 12>As the leader that will respect their rights and not

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:40.280
<v Speaker 12>kill them and hang them and and kill the women

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 12>for not where he's come, and kill gays for being

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:45.839
<v Speaker 12>who they are and hanging out from cranes. I mean,

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 12>this is a very evil regime, perhaps most evil regime

0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:52.200
<v Speaker 12>in the world. I mean, think about it. They killed

0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:55.239
<v Speaker 12>over thirty thousand people last week or two weeks ago.

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 12>That's many more times than the Chinese kill and tim

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 12>and square there. These people deserve to go. And it's

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:05.080
<v Speaker 12>not to say their own people that they've killed. They've

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 12>killed thousands of Americans. To me, the essence of America

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 12>first is defending the American people. And I think as

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 12>was press Trumpolis and defending the American people means this

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.879
<v Speaker 12>regume goes who the Iranian people select after, whether it's

0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 12>the conference and he suggests that he'd come in in

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 12>a temporary role and oversee a transition to democracy.

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 3>Or if they turn to a general or a civil leader.

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.480
<v Speaker 12>That's really up to the Iranian people that the current

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 12>government and the current policy of killing Americans has to end.

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<v Speaker 1>So a last question, mister ambassador, do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>time frame for this? Because the George H. W. Bush

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 1>carrier group just was announced to be heading in the

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Middle East, that's at least a week's transit time. Do

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you expect any showdown that is kinetic, to use the

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:54.919
<v Speaker 1>term of art of the day, is going to wait

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:56.360
<v Speaker 1>until the Bush is on station.

0:49:59.120 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Well, we don't need to.

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 12>I mean we showed without operation midnight in Hammra that

0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 12>we can use the aircraft launch from America for Missouri

0:50:06.120 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 12>to do with significant damage to Iran. We have the

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 12>averring Lincoln, which has ninety aircraft on it embarked on

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 12>it right now. The Bush certainly gives them the sentcom

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 12>Combatant commander and the admirals more firepower, no doubt. But

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 12>we could start tomorrow, we could start a week from now.

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 12>And the beauty of it is President Trouble will be

0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:30.719
<v Speaker 12>the person who dies to the time and manner in

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 12>the place of the attack, and then that will be

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:36.280
<v Speaker 12>a surprise. What won't be a surprise if the Iranians

0:50:36.280 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 12>turned down the negotiations, turned down the deal he's offered him,

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.719
<v Speaker 12>which is a very fair deal, just like you offered

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 12>madord of the chance to leave, and Madud did Layton.

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:47.000
<v Speaker 12>He's in Brooklyn, I told it's been given a chance

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 12>to leave, to go to Moscow or bit Chang and

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 12>take the billions of dogs and they stole from the

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 12>Iranian people with him, and he can.

0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:55.359
<v Speaker 3>Get out of there, or you can choose to stay

0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 3>and face.

0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 12>The wrath of America if you don't take the deal,

0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 12>and if the President see him a very fair deal.

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they're from from here? I know you

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:07.320
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have the classification anymore, although you're on the Presidential

0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Point Intelligence Advisory Board or whatever Pithyap's called. Now, is

0:51:10.840 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>there any indication that someone might just shoot the Iatola

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>in the back of his head because they're afraid they're

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:16.279
<v Speaker 1>going to get blown up?

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.359
<v Speaker 3>That's something a dictator always has to worry about.

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:25.920
<v Speaker 12>You is an assassination if the king, but the ipol

0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 12>is surrounded by an attics, religious fanatics who believe he's

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.800
<v Speaker 12>the voice of God on the earth.

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:35.080
<v Speaker 3>He's in a bunker, so he is probably unlickily that.

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.440
<v Speaker 12>Someone from the regime takes him out, and the penalty

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 12>is so high if you if you don't kill the king,

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:44.719
<v Speaker 12>or even if you do, in that circumstance, he'll kill

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 12>your family.

0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 3>He'll kill your extended family.

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.640
<v Speaker 12>He'll kill your uncle's aunts, you know, anyone related to you.

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 12>So it's not likely that he'll he'll be assassinated or

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.280
<v Speaker 12>they'll be a cut regime.

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<v Speaker 13>What's more likely is that he'll he'll run for the

0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 13>hills with all his money. You know, he's the man

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 13>of God who has sold billions of dollars and put

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:07.920
<v Speaker 13>it overseas to feather his nest. I assimilar go to

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 13>the cash to them and faced American military power, he

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 13>would he can.

0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Have a villain next to Asad and the Assad family

0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:20.760
<v Speaker 1>because they're all in Russia. Now, Ambassador Robert Seale Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>good to talk to you. Thank you for joining me.

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Always a pleasure. American Global Securities Chairman of the Board.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get that right, ags, chairman of the board.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so pleased to welcome I think for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time Brit Hume to the Uuit Show. Long time

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.799
<v Speaker 1>member of ABC News than he was the anchor of

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<v Speaker 1>Special Report. He is now, of course, chief political analyst

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<v Speaker 1>for Fox News. You see him most Sundays on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday Show and then often on Special Report. Whenever I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on the panel with Bread, just try not to say

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 1>anything stupid sitting next to him. How are you, mister Hume.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do we find you today?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I'm in southwest Florida, which is now my home.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad that you and I are both in

0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a warm place, poor old DC. When I set this

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 1>up weeks ago, I was going to talk to you

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>about every president and covering them. I still will in

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a kind of way. But two things happened today. The

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Post Washington Post kind of exploded, and Iran may be

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 1>exploding by the end of the show. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would like to talk to you about both

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<v Speaker 1>of them. But first I got to recall you worked

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>for Jack Anderson a long time ago, didn't you.

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 14>I did. For several years.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he published in the Post?

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<v Speaker 14>He was? He was published in the Post? It was

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<v Speaker 14>It had been Drew Pearson, the famous Drew Pearson's column

0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:05.480
<v Speaker 14>for many, many years. It ran on the comics page

0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 14>because the Post had even though Pearson was wildly popular

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 14>and so was Anderson after him. It was wildly popular

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:16.000
<v Speaker 14>with readers, but the Post didn't approve of it being

0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 14>stuffy in the way they could be at times back

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 14>in those days, and so they ran on the comics page.

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 14>And at some point somebody proposed moving it off the

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 14>comics page on the editorial page. And Jack Anderson, for

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.799
<v Speaker 14>whom I was then working, he didn't want that because

0:55:29.840 --> 0:55:31.919
<v Speaker 14>he said he'd rather be next to Peanuts and next

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:38.120
<v Speaker 14>to Joe Kraft, was the prominent Washington columnist in those days,

0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:42.120
<v Speaker 14>and so he organed. He got all the churches and

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.879
<v Speaker 14>institutions to whom he'd given speeches and who he could

0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 14>call it call favors from to write to the Post.

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<v Speaker 14>And the idea was killed, and the column stayed on

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 14>the editorial page until they ended some years later.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that former President on the comics page. Yeah,

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 1>former President Dixon had it in for Anderson, and I know,

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you got caught up in that,

0:56:06.000 --> 0:56:08.359
<v Speaker 1>but it goes back to Drew Pearson days. I used

0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to I worked for Nixon out of college in his

0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 1>exile at the Elbow of America out in San Clementy,

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and he told me once that he broke up a

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 1>fist fight between kil Gunner, Joe McCarthy, and Drew Pearson

0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 1>at some you know, could have been any of the

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 1>many Washington dinners that are held. Did you ever do

0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:26.840
<v Speaker 1>that for JACKI Anderson?

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:32.960
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, another story it happened. The fight that was broken

0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 14>up was at the Celgrave Club, which is a very

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 14>elite club right near DuPont Circle in Washington, where my

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:41.640
<v Speaker 14>only reason I went there is I got on the

0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 14>list for debut parties and used to go. And they

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.720
<v Speaker 14>were apparently they were tussling on a stairwell and then

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:53.319
<v Speaker 14>in the lobby and and Nixon broke it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're the only guy, I though, who can go

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>back and talk about Nixon first person the way I can.

0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 1>But I really want to talk about Carter and Harmoni

0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:04.319
<v Speaker 1>because you're probably one of the few people that remembers

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the Revolution of seventy eight seventy nine. I watched it

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.239
<v Speaker 1>with Nixon and San Clementy and Great Price on the

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 1>couch in the West Wing the Western White House Oval

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Office replica, and we couldn't believe every day what we

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>were seeing as the Shaw flat after a year of marches.

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that as vividly as I do?

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<v Speaker 14>I do remember it very well. I guess I was

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 14>covering Capitol Hill at the time, and of course it

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 14>was widely watched there as well. It was a very

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 14>big story, and of course, you know, it was succeeded

0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 14>by the famous hostage taking and hostage crisis that really

0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 14>was terribly damaging to the then President Carter's political standing.

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 14>And you know, I think, well, you could make a

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 14>pretty good case, Hugh, that it was that as much

0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.640
<v Speaker 14>as anything else that did him in as the presidential candidate.

0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 14>Carter as presidential candidate in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was. And then the big question to

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:08.680
<v Speaker 1>ask you, has any president until Trump ever tried to

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 1>deal with the Iran regime and the crazy Toya tolds

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Homini and Imani from a position of strength the way

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Trump is doing after Midnight Hammer because Reagan got ballocks

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:24.040
<v Speaker 1>by them. I don't remember much on HW's watch, but

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Clinton couldn't figure him out. W never struck back when

0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:32.240
<v Speaker 1>they began blowing up American soldiers in Iraq, and of

0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 1>course Obama did the JCPOA. Have they ever been understood

0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:38.520
<v Speaker 1>by the White House.

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<v Speaker 14>My view is that we've never seen a military build

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 14>up on the scale that we're seeing now. This is striking.

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 14>I mean, this is really a massive allocation of military

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 14>force in that region. And my guess, true Hugh, is

0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.280
<v Speaker 14>that the president is in a position where, you know,

0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:02.880
<v Speaker 14>failing some extraordinary and utterly unexpected a areement on nuclear

0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 14>weapons and other things from Iran, he's in a position

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<v Speaker 14>where he's going to have to use that for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I agree with that. And when the Iranians

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<v Speaker 1>canceled the meeting today, that's why I said Iran might

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<v Speaker 1>be blowing up as we speak. We wouldn't know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iranians seem to recognize that they are at wits end.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to give up what Trump wants, and

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<v Speaker 1>they also don't seem to realize they have no leverage.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think they can actually threaten America

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<v Speaker 1>at all, do you I don't.

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<v Speaker 14>I think they can threaten, potentially at least threaten the

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<v Speaker 14>US bases in the region, and I think they can

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<v Speaker 14>threaten some of our allies in the region, which I

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<v Speaker 14>presume is the reason why we're said to be moving

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<v Speaker 14>anti missile systems into the region to whatever extent we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that's correct too. I think they they

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<v Speaker 1>have been publishing pictures of the bases in Jordan and

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<v Speaker 1>the UAE and cut her A on the far As

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<v Speaker 1>News agency, which is the unofficial arm of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the government, and that's a veiled threat. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>threats work with Donald Trump very well?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think they can. They sometimes do, perhaps, but

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<v Speaker 14>he's in these in these matters, he's about as bold

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<v Speaker 14>a president as we've had in some time. And you know,

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<v Speaker 14>he's willing to take risks and and and order daring missions,

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<v Speaker 14>the mission in Venezuela being the most conspicuous recent example.

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<v Speaker 14>But he's willing to do this stuff. And of course

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<v Speaker 14>he with considerable health from Israel, was able to successfully

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<v Speaker 14>take out huge pieces of Iran's nuclear program. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 14>I think he's I think he's prepared to do it again,

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<v Speaker 14>or to try again with an even larger force.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to try an argument out on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard Lindsey Graham in the Oval yesterday say to

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<v Speaker 1>the President that the President Trump was Reagan. Plus I

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<v Speaker 1>actually thought it's more like hw Bush because HW Bush

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<v Speaker 1>went to Panama, and I think you were at the

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<v Speaker 1>White House at this point, covering the White House. Hw

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<v Speaker 1>Bush Panama. Okay, he did Panama, and he did Iraq

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<v Speaker 1>in and out massive use of force, then cut it

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<v Speaker 1>off after one hundred hours in Iraq, after a month

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<v Speaker 1>and a half in Panama and got out. Is Trump

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<v Speaker 1>more like hw or is he more like Reagan?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, in terms of the length of the missions, he's

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<v Speaker 14>more like hw as you suggest, Hugh, and I think

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<v Speaker 14>you know this is a somewhat different matter, because he

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<v Speaker 14>had a very discreet mission did hw in Iraq, which

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<v Speaker 14>was to evict Saddam Hussein's army. He had a grant

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<v Speaker 14>from the UN, a grant of authority from the UN

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<v Speaker 14>UN resolution supporting that mission, which was very important politically

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<v Speaker 14>around the world, and it was very important in the

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<v Speaker 14>United States. In fact, he had the UN authorization before

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<v Speaker 14>he was able to get a similar authorization through the

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<v Speaker 14>US Senate, which is a surprising thing, you might think

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<v Speaker 14>in this day and age. But that's and so he

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<v Speaker 14>went and did what he thought he had to do.

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<v Speaker 14>He evicted Saddam Hussin's army from a rocket and from

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<v Speaker 14>a Kuwait excuse me. And that was it. He let

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<v Speaker 14>it go and after that, and of course people were

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<v Speaker 14>critical of that. I think I think mister Trump, given

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<v Speaker 14>his recent record, would be inclined to do what he

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<v Speaker 14>needed to do and get out. The question is what

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<v Speaker 14>will the mission be if he decides to go into

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<v Speaker 14>Iran militarily. Will it simply be to add further damage

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<v Speaker 14>to the nuclear program? Would he be trying to hit

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<v Speaker 14>the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and do as much damas

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<v Speaker 14>to them? Responsible?

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<v Speaker 6>Is he?

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<v Speaker 14>Is it regime change? Is it toppling the Saddam? I

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<v Speaker 14>mean tumpling the current Irunian regime? And I don't think

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<v Speaker 14>we know the answer to those questions at this stage.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, But I've just finished reading a book by

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<v Speaker 1>a fellow named Siliski about the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is no killing every part, root and branch

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<v Speaker 1>of that. It's too big, it's too vast. It's the besiege,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a million volunteers that run over demonstrators and

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<v Speaker 1>kill people at close range. It's a quarter million IRGC

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore professional. It's not the Iranian army. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>can blow up the missile depots, they can try and

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<v Speaker 1>kill Hamini. I think they can block out Tehran, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that they can do more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Although getting rid of the missile launchers would be a

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<v Speaker 1>big win and would validate the promises the president made

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<v Speaker 1>to the demonstrators at least I think it would. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you would you agree with that assessment? It would? It

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<v Speaker 1>would validate Yeah.

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<v Speaker 14>And I think and I think that the question you

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<v Speaker 14>have to ask is would any short regime change end

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<v Speaker 14>up making the difference in being worth the risk? And

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<v Speaker 14>of course if you do, should see eat in toppling regime.

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<v Speaker 14>Then you have the question of what next, which is

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<v Speaker 14>a question that has been devilist in other places, principally

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<v Speaker 14>in Iraq. So, I you know, I think this is

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<v Speaker 14>this is a very big and risky situation we're in.

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<v Speaker 14>But I think the President is kind of out on

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<v Speaker 14>a limb here, and he's going to have to act

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<v Speaker 14>because he's it's unimaginable to me that he can get

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<v Speaker 14>a satisfactory response from Iran without doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is exactly the calculation Howmonia has made,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's unimaginable that he can not do something. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he does something, ha MANI is going to try

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<v Speaker 1>and inflict massive damage on the American basis. He's sent

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<v Speaker 1>up a drone at the Lincoln yesterday, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>a very good idea. I've got a son in a

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<v Speaker 1>law of no aircraft carriers and they're pretty well defended.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do remember the Sheffield. I was reminded of

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<v Speaker 1>it this week that an exost missile was filed fired

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<v Speaker 1>by Argentina back in the Falklands. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where you were at that time, if you're gone to

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<v Speaker 1>ABC by that point, Oh yeah, you were at ABC

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<v Speaker 1>by that point. The Falklands is h late Reagan.

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<v Speaker 14>Uh, I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's Thatcher and it's Reagan, and HW is

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<v Speaker 1>a rock and Thatcher. So I get to confuse. But

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<v Speaker 1>Argentina took out the Sheffield. I'm not being casual about

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<v Speaker 1>the danger to our troops or to our ships, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he cannot The President Trump can do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he actually asked to now go and punish them,

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<v Speaker 1>and punish can be very very big. As you point out,

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<v Speaker 1>have we ever done a mission before?

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<v Speaker 14>And I think hughes that. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 14>the President can feel that he may have accomplished by

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<v Speaker 14>virtue of the actions he's taken in Iran and then

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<v Speaker 14>later of course in Venezuela, is some restoration of the

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<v Speaker 14>kind of deterrent that our foreign policy has been built

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<v Speaker 14>on for so long. Is not that we want to

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<v Speaker 14>go to wars, that we want to have a big

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<v Speaker 14>military establishment everywhere, but we want people to feel that

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<v Speaker 14>we have enough power to strike them in a powerful

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<v Speaker 14>and damaging way if they mess around with us. And

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<v Speaker 14>of course, when you pull out of Afghanistan in a

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<v Speaker 14>way that we did, and when you know Barack Obama's

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<v Speaker 14>famous red line went completely unenforced in Syria, that damage

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<v Speaker 14>is that image. I think mister Trump is trying to

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<v Speaker 14>rebuild that, which is I think appropriate. And if he

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<v Speaker 14>were to back away here and not really do anything meaningful,

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<v Speaker 14>I think that would whatever program he's made on restoring

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<v Speaker 14>American deterrence would be would be undermined.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that. I also think politically and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that ought to be the primary consideration, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's never not a consideration. If he backs away, he's

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<v Speaker 1>basically becoming Barack Obama two point zero. And he spent

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<v Speaker 1>the last ten years announcing the JCPOA, and the JCPOA

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<v Speaker 1>deserve to be denounced. But I don't know that he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't end up in the pile with Obama and Biden

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<v Speaker 1>if he backs away. Now, break Hume.

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<v Speaker 14>I think that's exactly right. I think that's what he

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<v Speaker 14>has to worry about. That they did some real damage

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<v Speaker 14>to our deterrent posture and he's maybe rebuilding it. But

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<v Speaker 14>you can't start backing away from things and expect that's going.

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<v Speaker 5>To do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope he hears that. Second thing I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you have, Ben, now is the big news today.

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<v Speaker 1>The Washington Post is down. They're down another three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>to four hundred people. It is my policy I don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about people that I worked for before, and I

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<v Speaker 1>worked for the Post for a good decade. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a fun time. So I don't have anything but nice

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<v Speaker 1>things to say about Fred Hyatt and Ruth Marcus and

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<v Speaker 1>fred Ryan. But what do you think that tells us

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<v Speaker 1>about the news business now, Brett.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think he's suffering the fate of a great

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<v Speaker 14>many newspapers. It's a tough business to be in now.

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<v Speaker 14>People have a multitude of sources from which to get news.

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<v Speaker 14>They're a customed now to read online. You can subscribe

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<v Speaker 14>to newspapers for any publication you want to. There's a

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<v Speaker 14>multitude of other sources of news, from podcasts and newsletters

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<v Speaker 14>to individuals who have sort of hung out their shingle

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<v Speaker 14>on the internet. So it's a tough, tough environment. The

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<v Speaker 14>classified ad business, which was so sustaining to newspapers for

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<v Speaker 14>so long, has petered out to a great extent because

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<v Speaker 14>in large part because of the Internet. So it's a

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<v Speaker 14>very hard business. I would add to that that in

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<v Speaker 14>its heyday, over the last thirty or forty years of

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<v Speaker 14>Washington longer, I guess the Washington Post was an extraordinarily readable,

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<v Speaker 14>lively newspaper. I mean, I had a lot of disagreements

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<v Speaker 14>with there, with the viewpoints that they took as a newspaper,

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<v Speaker 14>but it was fun to read. It had a great

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<v Speaker 14>sports section that's largely deteriorated away now. It's covering a

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<v Speaker 14>lot of things that used to cover with their own

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<v Speaker 14>reporters used to now covering with wire copy. So it's

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<v Speaker 14>a and I think it's just an economically difficult called

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<v Speaker 14>environment to operate a newspaper. And the New York Times

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<v Speaker 14>and the Wall Street Journal have succeeded in this environment

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<v Speaker 14>at times. Is a particularly good example because it's done

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<v Speaker 14>it with a lot of lot of gimmicky things. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>it's got wordle it's got various columns and recipes and

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<v Speaker 14>things that people are paying up for. I have a

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<v Speaker 14>subscription to The New York Times cause I feel the

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<v Speaker 14>need to read it every day, but I can't get

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<v Speaker 14>the crossword puzzle without paying extra. Sometimes it's developed sources

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<v Speaker 14>of revenue that have sustained it, and people all over

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<v Speaker 14>the country subscribe to it. It isn't easy to be

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<v Speaker 14>a national newspaper these days. You know, you need a

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<v Speaker 14>big reputation for that, and the Post I think aspired

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<v Speaker 14>to do that, but I think in this particular environment

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<v Speaker 14>it's not doing it very well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when Mike and Jim Vanda Hay left the

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<v Speaker 1>Post and started Politico, that was sort of the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the Post missed. I wasn't working for

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<v Speaker 1>them at that moment, but Mike Allen and Jim Van

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<v Speaker 1>Day went over and started no overhead Washington Post, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a mini post, and they covered politics exclusively, and they

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<v Speaker 1>did it well and they did it deep. Now Politico

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<v Speaker 1>has gone off a left cliff, but in its place,

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<v Speaker 1>there's now Axios, and there's punch Bowl, and there's Semaphore

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<v Speaker 1>and there are a dozen different things. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>What you used to do with Jack Anderson was unique,

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<v Speaker 1>just like Drew Pearson was unique. People wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on inside of the Beltway, and you

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<v Speaker 1>grew up there, so you knew. And Jack Anderson lived

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<v Speaker 1>there his whole life, so he knew, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>out in the country knew. Now you can find out

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<v Speaker 1>about what's going on in Washington, DC, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred different places. Do you happen to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the Ruthless podcast, Britt.

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<v Speaker 14>I do, and I enjoy it very much. And it's

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<v Speaker 14>kind of a It's a rollicking podcast, to be sure,

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<v Speaker 14>and it's fun to listen to. It's not serious deep reporting,

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<v Speaker 14>but it's a bunch of smart guys, and you know,

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<v Speaker 14>with a sense of humor, giving you a little insight

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<v Speaker 14>into how they see things in Washington on the Post.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, Hugh, the Post used to be fun, you know.

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<v Speaker 14>The style section was kind of a trendsetter at the time,

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<v Speaker 14>uh and used to be full of lively, sometimes gossipy, stuffed.

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<v Speaker 14>It was fun to read. In recent years, it's been

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<v Speaker 14>kind of a dreary never Trump, a drum beat of

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<v Speaker 14>a newspaper, not very fun to read. And a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of the reporting they did, I think, you know, particularly

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<v Speaker 14>on Trump, didn't turn out very well. You know, they've

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<v Speaker 14>chased the Russia collusion fiasco right down the rabbit hole,

1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.040
<v Speaker 14>ended up with nothing, so that, you know, those things

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<v Speaker 14>I think all contributed.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Fox News has got Foxnews dot Com. I

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<v Speaker 1>reade a column for it a couple of times a week,

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<v Speaker 1>and its reach is massive. It's it's it's up there

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<v Speaker 1>with any other like the New York Times website or

1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal website at which is part, of course,

1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the Fox Court. I don't know that any I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that anyone will take over the Post and try

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<v Speaker 1>and revive it. I just can't imagine that happening, can you.

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<v Speaker 14>It looks this looks like the death rattle to me, Hugh,

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<v Speaker 14>it really does. It makes me sad. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 14>you know, I subscribe to the Post as a Washington

1:12:13.520 --> 1:12:14.960
<v Speaker 14>you and I grew up there. I don't live there anymore,

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<v Speaker 14>but I grew up there. Uh you know. I root

1:12:17.400 --> 1:12:19.880
<v Speaker 14>for the Washington teams and so on. And one of

1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:22.840
<v Speaker 14>the reasons why I got the paper was, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>I'm at the age where my friends and contemporaries are dying,

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<v Speaker 14>and I'd like to be able to know about that,

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<v Speaker 14>because you don't always hear about it when you're a

1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:34.040
<v Speaker 14>thousand miles away, as I am. And I got the

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<v Speaker 14>Post in part to read the obit page. The obit

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<v Speaker 14>page is ridiculous, uh it. It'll give you a musician

1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:45.400
<v Speaker 14>from Zambia, long obit, somebody who never heard of and

1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:49.200
<v Speaker 14>never intend to and whose music will never hear. But

1:12:49.280 --> 1:12:52.559
<v Speaker 14>local people die, people you might know. They got to

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<v Speaker 14>have a paid notice or nothing. That's just.

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<v Speaker 1>People who spent decades on the hill don't get an

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<v Speaker 1>obit anymore. In The Washington Post, I noted that it's

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<v Speaker 1>the only critique I'm going to give. I will know

1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:08.519
<v Speaker 1>the comics section. I have no idea if it exists,

1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:11.519
<v Speaker 1>because I only took it digitally for years, I doubt

1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it very much whether Jack Anderson could even ask to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the comics page. But I do regret losing

1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the likes whoever is the modern Thomas Boswell, because they're

1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:25.080
<v Speaker 1>they were a great sports call and I didn't live

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<v Speaker 1>there anywhere near as long as you have lived there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't like their teams. I'm a Cleveland guy,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had great sports coverage and that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was shuttered. Today they're out of the sports business. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost unthinkable.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't and I think if you're if you're if

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<v Speaker 14>you're trying to revive that newspaper and you're not going

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<v Speaker 14>to cover the local sports teams, I don't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 14>that's one of the things i'd go there for. I'm

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<v Speaker 14>a I'm an ardent fan of the Washington Redskins now

1:13:52.880 --> 1:13:56.880
<v Speaker 14>Commanders and have been somemselves a little boy, and one

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<v Speaker 14>of the reasons I still keep my subscription to the

1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:02.280
<v Speaker 14>Post is to catch up on the team. And if

1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:05.000
<v Speaker 14>they've killed that, then I you know, I'll probably just

1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:07.040
<v Speaker 14>cancel my subscription because.

1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:11.080
<v Speaker 1>That's a uh, that's a restaurant Redskins commander's fan, Brett,

1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Browns fan. I know what that's like. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a rough way to go. And are

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<v Speaker 1>you hopeful?

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I've always had a lot of sympathy for Browns

1:14:18.360 --> 1:14:20.120
<v Speaker 14>fans because that's one of those you know. It was

1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.560
<v Speaker 14>one of the original teams of the NFL, and a

1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:25.599
<v Speaker 14>great team for many years and had Jim Brown and

1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:30.080
<v Speaker 14>Paul Brown and great stars through the years, and and uh,

1:14:30.240 --> 1:14:32.960
<v Speaker 14>and to see them struggling in a way they have

1:14:33.040 --> 1:14:35.479
<v Speaker 14>in recent years has been painful for me, just as

1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:38.200
<v Speaker 14>a simple just as one sympathetic to its fans.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you turn the corner? Did you become a Nationals

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<v Speaker 1>fan after the Senators folded up in there and bad

1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:46.799
<v Speaker 1>the O's for a long time? They covered the o's greatly,

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<v Speaker 1>But did you become a Nationals guy.

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<v Speaker 14>When the Senator? I was a Senators fan and where

1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.880
<v Speaker 14>I lived in Washington, Uh, you could walk. It was

1:14:55.920 --> 1:14:57.519
<v Speaker 14>a long walk, but you could walk to the old

1:14:57.560 --> 1:14:59.960
<v Speaker 14>Griffith Stadium and get in for a very little month

1:15:00.160 --> 1:15:01.760
<v Speaker 14>and sit in the bleachers and watch them. When I

1:15:01.800 --> 1:15:03.800
<v Speaker 14>was an ardent fan of the way, they were always

1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:06.000
<v Speaker 14>a weak team. I mean they was saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>Washington first, and war first and peace and last in

1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:11.880
<v Speaker 14>the American League was start true, but I was so.

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<v Speaker 14>But it was an American League franchise. So when they

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<v Speaker 14>pulled out, they then they had the expansion nets, and

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<v Speaker 14>they were an American League franchise. And when they went away,

1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:24.479
<v Speaker 14>and we didn't have a team for years, and I

1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:26.760
<v Speaker 14>was able to some extent to transform my allegiance to

1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:28.519
<v Speaker 14>the Baltimore Oyols. Used to go up there and go

1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:30.600
<v Speaker 14>to games and enjoyed going to the games in that

1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:33.080
<v Speaker 14>beautiful new ballpark that I say, knew it's been there

1:15:33.120 --> 1:15:35.360
<v Speaker 14>for years, but it seems new to me. And and

1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:37.960
<v Speaker 14>when the Nationals came that that was a net, that

1:15:38.080 --> 1:15:40.800
<v Speaker 14>was a net that was a National League team, and

1:15:40.880 --> 1:15:43.320
<v Speaker 14>I was a customer to seeing teams playing my team

1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:46.960
<v Speaker 14>playing against American League opponents, so the draw wasn't as great.

1:15:47.200 --> 1:15:50.400
<v Speaker 14>But then they won the World Series. I was rooting

1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.519
<v Speaker 14>for them then. But they're not in my heart the

1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:54.439
<v Speaker 14>way the old Senators were, and even the way that

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<v Speaker 14>some extends the Oils were.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not exactly but very similar. I don't care

1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:02.280
<v Speaker 1>about the Nationals a lick because I grew up watching

1:16:02.320 --> 1:16:05.439
<v Speaker 1>the American League. I'm an Indians fan, now Guardians fan,

1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:08.560
<v Speaker 1>like the Redskins. They've changed their name to the Commanders

1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:11.479
<v Speaker 1>into the Guardians. But I'm still an American League guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't matter as much to the youngs because

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<v Speaker 1>of interleague play. But to you and to me, there's

1:16:17.400 --> 1:16:21.160
<v Speaker 1>only one interleague play a year until we were fifty

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<v Speaker 1>or so, and then they started the It never caught on.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never become a national fan unless they come to

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<v Speaker 1>the American League. I don't know anything about them. So

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<v Speaker 1>let me close up this way. Byelines. I have long

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<v Speaker 1>been of the opinion that the byeline is now the

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<v Speaker 1>product that not the platform, but the byeline that George

1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:43.400
<v Speaker 1>will and Charles Crodhammer and Jack Anderson when he was working,

1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:48.000
<v Speaker 1>people wanted to read particular individuals because they were great

1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:50.400
<v Speaker 1>at what they did. Sally Quinn, you mentioned the style section.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that any way back for American media to go

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<v Speaker 1>with the byeland being the brand again?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think you can. If you're good, you can

1:16:59.400 --> 1:17:02.799
<v Speaker 14>still develop a following. In fact, what you're seeing is journalists,

1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:05.720
<v Speaker 14>you heard me say earlier, hanging out a shingle and

1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:08.280
<v Speaker 14>trying on the strength of their own byline if you

1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:11.880
<v Speaker 14>will to attract an audience and make a living, and

1:17:11.920 --> 1:17:14.599
<v Speaker 14>of course, in a country as large as America is now,

1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:18.719
<v Speaker 14>if you can get yourself out there, as any number

1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:21.760
<v Speaker 14>of people are now doing, you become the product and

1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:26.400
<v Speaker 14>your byline is the thing. So I do think as possible.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm not sure you can sustain newspapers with it, but

1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:31.160
<v Speaker 14>I think individuals are proven that you can, and a

1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:33.519
<v Speaker 14>lot of them are trying. I mean, look at Substack.

1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.760
<v Speaker 14>It's an absolute warn of all these individuals who think

1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:39.760
<v Speaker 14>they've got something to say and they're trying to make

1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:40.559
<v Speaker 14>a living doing it.

1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Almost every day I listen to commentary podcast which has

1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:46.760
<v Speaker 1>four or five very smart people on it. Ruthless is

1:17:46.800 --> 1:17:48.840
<v Speaker 1>a rollicking I love that way. I'm going to use that.

1:17:48.840 --> 1:17:51.200
<v Speaker 1>They are a rollicking good time three times a week

1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and they know they hell, they actually know of which

1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:55.719
<v Speaker 1>they speak. You covered the OLL for a long time.

1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:57.760
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the people that I hear reporting from

1:17:57.760 --> 1:18:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the are shouting questions at legislators like Marjorie Taylor Green

1:18:03.240 --> 1:18:06.559
<v Speaker 1>or AOC who are marginal to the actual discussion of

1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:10.920
<v Speaker 1>what's getting done and therefore not very illuminating. They're looking

1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:13.720
<v Speaker 1>for viral, not for the information. I don't know that

1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:17.320
<v Speaker 1>anyone really covers the Hill well other than our friends

1:18:17.360 --> 1:18:19.559
<v Speaker 1>at punch Bowl. They do a pretty good job of it.

1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you have anyone else that covers it besides Ruthless

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<v Speaker 1>and punch Bowl?

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<v Speaker 14>No, I don't really, and I don't know. I like, Actually,

1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:29.720
<v Speaker 14>I think our corresponds a Fox do a pretty good

1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:32.840
<v Speaker 14>job of covering the Hill. But it's not like it

1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:35.360
<v Speaker 14>used to be. I can remember we used to cover

1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:37.560
<v Speaker 14>when I was at ABC News and I covered the

1:18:37.640 --> 1:18:40.799
<v Speaker 14>Hill for eleven years. We used to cover budget hearings

1:18:41.160 --> 1:18:43.920
<v Speaker 14>and we didn't cover them live, but I would be

1:18:43.960 --> 1:18:48.599
<v Speaker 14>doing you know, tape packages on the evening news about

1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:52.639
<v Speaker 14>budget hearings and budget markups and they're, you know, they're

1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:55.160
<v Speaker 14>pretty tedious. But we really did cover the Hill, and

1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:57.920
<v Speaker 14>we had a correspondent in the House and a carspond

1:18:58.000 --> 1:19:01.040
<v Speaker 14>in the Senate. Now we have you know, corresponds come

1:19:01.040 --> 1:19:04.200
<v Speaker 14>and go up there, and we have people who are

1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:07.559
<v Speaker 14>off air who work it. But it's not like it

1:19:07.640 --> 1:19:09.479
<v Speaker 14>used to be, even within an hour newscast at.

1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Night, even with all day newscasts. See Span has not

1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:16.720
<v Speaker 1>replaced Fox because Fox has a point of view that

1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:20.040
<v Speaker 1>comes into the play at various times on the panel

1:19:20.080 --> 1:19:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and things like that, but for deep dives into For example,

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<v Speaker 1>I open with Senator Thun today the program and we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the Department of Homeland Security funding bill, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a very interesting thing to me. But only radio

1:19:33.439 --> 1:19:37.160
<v Speaker 1>has enough time and cable has enough time to actually

1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:42.120
<v Speaker 1>dive in to an immigration comprehensive immigration reform bill. Other people,

1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you couldn't do it when you're anchoring special report,

1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Brett can't do it. It takes forever to do even

1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:50.479
<v Speaker 1>a introduction to it.

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<v Speaker 14>That's true. And I think it's one of the things

1:19:56.120 --> 1:20:00.360
<v Speaker 14>that's challenging about this environment is and we worry people

1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:02.720
<v Speaker 14>are not going to be very well informed if we

1:20:02.840 --> 1:20:05.759
<v Speaker 14>can't find a medium in which to convey this stuff.

1:20:06.280 --> 1:20:10.320
<v Speaker 14>And when you see these newspapers dying out, it's concerning

1:20:10.320 --> 1:20:11.440
<v Speaker 14>in that way. In particular.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me let me conclude by asking you about

1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump.

1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:15.439
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:18.599
<v Speaker 1>I thought I had seen everything, having worked for Nixon

1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:21.639
<v Speaker 1>in exile and then Reagan in the in the Reagan years,

1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and then going back and forth between DC. But of

1:20:24.960 --> 1:20:30.120
<v Speaker 1>course he's a very different, uh, sort of almost otherworldly figure.

1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:33.320
<v Speaker 1>In politics. He's not of anything from which I'm used to.

1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Is there any recreating him or is he a genuine

1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:38.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of one off.

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<v Speaker 14>He's a one off in my opinion. There's never been

1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:48.240
<v Speaker 14>a politician, a successful politician I know of like him,

1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:54.280
<v Speaker 14>And I think one of the great failures of journalism

1:20:54.920 --> 1:20:57.160
<v Speaker 14>in this age has been a failure to get it

1:20:57.240 --> 1:21:00.360
<v Speaker 14>about what he is and it, you know, people have

1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:05.080
<v Speaker 14>been so mesmerized by his personality, viewed by so many

1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:11.040
<v Speaker 14>is obnoxious and abrasive, and viewed by many, nearly a

1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:15.360
<v Speaker 14>huge majority of journalists as an absolute rascal who should

1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:18.799
<v Speaker 14>not be treated as anything other than that at all times.

1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:22.479
<v Speaker 14>There has been a great failure there. I think he's

1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:24.880
<v Speaker 14>a very hard man to understand, fully because he's so

1:21:24.920 --> 1:21:27.920
<v Speaker 14>different from every other politician. And I think he's a

1:21:27.920 --> 1:21:31.000
<v Speaker 14>man who has been a bold and in many respects

1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:35.679
<v Speaker 14>an exceptionally effective leader. But his accomplishments are less visible

1:21:35.720 --> 1:21:39.120
<v Speaker 14>to people because of his personality and because of his style.

1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:41.320
<v Speaker 14>You know, you look at him, and people look at

1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:43.880
<v Speaker 14>the things he's doing at the White House, and even

1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:47.559
<v Speaker 14>indeed the way he decorated his apartment in New York,

1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:50.360
<v Speaker 14>and they think the man's life is an absolute festival

1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:54.320
<v Speaker 14>of bad taste and braggadocia and exaggeration and all the

1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:56.920
<v Speaker 14>rest of it. And there's a case to be made

1:21:57.000 --> 1:21:59.720
<v Speaker 14>for all that. The problem is, however, that if you

1:21:59.800 --> 1:22:02.920
<v Speaker 14>do if you look at that stuff, they're mesmerized by it.

1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:04.760
<v Speaker 14>You fail to get what's really going on with.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, and that when history gets around to writing the books,

1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the books go on read and it becomes a paragraph

1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:15.080
<v Speaker 1>in Wikipedia. He's going to be the guy who took

1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:19.400
<v Speaker 1>out the Iranian nuclear program and maybe more maybe the regime.

1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if he's going to reach some

1:22:22.960 --> 1:22:26.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of understanding Reji that leaves Taiwan free. I hope so.

1:22:26.760 --> 1:22:32.200
<v Speaker 1>But he's a very significant national security president along the

1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.639
<v Speaker 1>lines of hw as we were talking about. And when

1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:37.799
<v Speaker 1>you compare him to, for example, President Obama, there's nothing

1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:41.120
<v Speaker 1>there on the Obama side of the ledger. I'm not

1:22:41.280 --> 1:22:44.280
<v Speaker 1>being critical of him, I'm being objective. He didn't get

1:22:44.320 --> 1:22:48.639
<v Speaker 1>anything done that has lasted other than Obamacare, and that's

1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:51.479
<v Speaker 1>a mess. Correct me if I'm wrong for you.

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<v Speaker 14>Oh, I think he's the most overrated recent president of

1:22:53.920 --> 1:23:01.200
<v Speaker 14>our time. An enormously talented politician, tremendously likable. I think,

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<v Speaker 14>even though I disagree with a lot of his policies,

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<v Speaker 14>I can see the man's strengths. This is the thing

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<v Speaker 14>with Trump. Too many people look at the man and

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<v Speaker 14>they're mesmerized by the outward appearances. They're mesmerized by the

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<v Speaker 14>excesses and the braggadocia and all the exaggerations, and they

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<v Speaker 14>failed to see the achievements.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, bonus question, going way back to Nixon? What was

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<v Speaker 1>your take? What is Anderson and your take on Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>at the end there? Because the press dras Trump like

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<v Speaker 1>it treated Nixon, and I think they missed a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Nixon as a result.

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<v Speaker 14>I think that may be true. I tell you, we

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<v Speaker 14>were all a little bit afraid of him. We remember

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<v Speaker 14>the stuff that came out when the so called White

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<v Speaker 14>House horrors were revealed in the course of Watergate. I

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<v Speaker 14>did a story for Jack Anderson that broke before Watergate.

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<v Speaker 14>It was a much lesser deal about the effort to

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<v Speaker 14>fix the IT T any trust cases, and it wreaked

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<v Speaker 14>of corruption, and indeed it was corrupt. The White House

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<v Speaker 14>had bullied the Justice Department into going easy on in

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<v Speaker 14>IT and T, which was a big conglomerate very successful

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<v Speaker 14>at the time, and they were trying to any trust.

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<v Speaker 14>Division of the Justice Department been trying to break it up,

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<v Speaker 14>and the Knixon administration was trying to put the fix in.

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<v Speaker 14>It was not this was not a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And we did took down Henry Peterson, didn't it, did

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<v Speaker 1>your story taking out.

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<v Speaker 14>Henry Peterson took down Richard Kleindeast that's ad East. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 14>Tiny's pleaded something else, but he was guilty in that,

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<v Speaker 14>and he'd been involved in that, and he'd been pressured

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<v Speaker 14>by John Elickman in the White House and so on. So,

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<v Speaker 14>you know, we thought Nixon was a dark force. I

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<v Speaker 14>always did, and only you know, and I certainly appreciated

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<v Speaker 14>and came to understand his foreign policy skills, which were manifold,

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<v Speaker 14>but at the time he seemed he was kind of

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<v Speaker 14>an investigative reporter's dream at the time, That's what I

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<v Speaker 14>was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The friendship between Donald Trump and Richard Nixon, which

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<v Speaker 1>developed after the former president moved back to New York

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty has always fascinated me. I've talked to

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump about it a couple of times. It just

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<v Speaker 1>there could be more different dirt, poor your Belinda California

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<v Speaker 1>Whittier College versus developer pen New York Glitz, Ritz Glamour.

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<v Speaker 1>They could not be more different, but they operate I

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<v Speaker 1>think in very similar ways when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>national security of the United States. They both don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be predictable, and I think they've achieved that pretty

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<v Speaker 1>last word to you.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I think Trump does it on instinct. Nixon probably

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<v Speaker 14>did it on intellect.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's well said, Uh, Brittany, great fun talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch out for the iguanas falling from the sky down

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<v Speaker 1>there in South Florida. I hope I see you in

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<v Speaker 1>the Beltway against soon.

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<v Speaker 14>Thank you, Hugh, It's always good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.