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Speaker 2: In irandeworried right now.

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Speaker 1: I would say he should be very worried.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he should be.

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Speaker 1: As you know, they're negotiating with us. Morning Glory and

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Speaker 1: evening Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. That is President Trump.

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Speaker 1: An hour ago, NBC News released that teaser talks have

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Speaker 1: broken down. They've been they never began, but they've been canceled,

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Speaker 1: is perhaps the right way to put it. And the

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Speaker 1: cancelation of those talks suggests very much that the armada

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Speaker 1: that is building, this immense gathering of American strength in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East is going to be put to use.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to talk now with Majority Leader John

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Speaker 1: Thune about that. Leader Thune, welcome. I want to begin

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Speaker 1: by asking if you and Senator Cotton, who are two

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Speaker 1: members of the Gang of Eight who get briefed on

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Speaker 1: intelligence matters, have been briefed on anything yet about Iran.

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Speaker 4: I think in some of the Gang of Eight meetings

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Speaker 4: that it's been high level stuff.

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Speaker 5: You but you know, I obviously don't talk a lot about.

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Speaker 4: What it's said in those meetings, but I don't think

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Speaker 4: a lot of specificity.

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Speaker 1: I would say, what would you conclude from the cancelation

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Speaker 1: of today's meetings and the dispatch of the George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush carrier to join the Lincoln.

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, obviously they're the administration perceives

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Speaker 4: the Iranians to be escalating, and you know, clearly cutting

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Speaker 4: off the talks was a was a huge signal that

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Speaker 4: they were sending. But I think it's I mean, we've

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Speaker 4: got to We've got a lot of interests to defend

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Speaker 4: in that region of the world, and it has implications

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Speaker 4: not just for that region of the world, but for

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Speaker 4: the entire world, and so I think the President his

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Speaker 4: team are right to take it seriously and to ensure

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Speaker 4: that America's national security interests are protected there.

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Speaker 1: Well, last question on Iron, mister leader, if we go

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Speaker 1: to a battle with them, what is an acceptable conclusion

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Speaker 1: of that battle from your perspective.

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Speaker 6: Well, obviously, for me, you what would.

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Speaker 5: Be regime change? I mean, I think you've got to

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Speaker 5: get new leadership.

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Speaker 4: And there's no guarantee that new leadership might be the

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Speaker 5: I mean, we've seen that before in other places around

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Speaker 4: But I do think that the Iranian people are clamoring

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Speaker 4: for a voice.

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Speaker 5: In their government and for the.

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Speaker 4: Same rights that people and freedom loving countries have around

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Speaker 4: the world. And I think that's what we ought to

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Speaker 4: be supportive of there, And so if that were an endgame,

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Speaker 4: I think that would be at least a great starting place.

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Speaker 1: We will pick it up from there. Next time we talk.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you, by the way, and congratulate

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Speaker 1: you for getting the Defense appropriation built done as well

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Speaker 1: as eleven of twelve appropriations built. Die, I don't remember

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Speaker 1: the last time that that happens, so hack tip to

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Speaker 1: you the leadership Chairwoman Collins, Senator Collins, of course, the

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Speaker 1: leader of the Appropriations Committee. When was the last time

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Speaker 1: that happened?

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Speaker 6: You know, it's been a while, Hugh.

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Speaker 4: I was actually ran into one of my former colleagues

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Speaker 4: in the House of Representatives. We had come in together,

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Speaker 4: you know, almost now thirty years ago, and he said,

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Speaker 4: I think the last time we did all the appropriation

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Speaker 4: bills was nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well it's been a while. I've been doing this

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Speaker 1: show for twenty five years, and I do not remember

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Speaker 1: it ever happening before. So congratulations on that regular order

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Speaker 1: is restored, except for the Department of Homeland Security. So

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Speaker 1: I'd like to go there and ask you where the

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Speaker 1: status is of those talks, what the Democrats are asking for,

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Speaker 6: Well we do.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think there are if you kind of

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Speaker 4: put it into three categories, there are things administrations already

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Speaker 4: doing which are significant, and there are a lot of

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Speaker 5: That Democrats have asked.

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Speaker 4: Or then there are things you could do through that

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Speaker 5: Certain categories of the DHS budget.

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Speaker 4: But then there are the things that I think they want,

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Speaker 4: which are policy changes. And if they're going to insist

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Speaker 4: on any kind of policy changes, we're going to be

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Speaker 4: at the table with ours two. Because I don't think

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Speaker 4: we want we do not want these negotiations evolving into

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Speaker 5: That are in this country.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, that bill needs to be focused

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Speaker 4: on protecting and ensuring that law enforcement officers are safe

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Speaker 4: expect them to do, and to deport and detain dangerous

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Speaker 4: illegal aliens. How you go about that matters, and I

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Speaker 4: think Tom Holme has done a great job on the

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Speaker 4: ground there of you know, sort of getting that situation

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Speaker 4: a little bit more in a place that hopefully the Democrats.

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Speaker 5: Ought to be pleased with.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just think of the things that have

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Speaker 4: already been done here, including in the DHS funding bill,

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Speaker 4: the original one which they I agree to and help negotiate,

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Speaker 4: by the way, that it had a number of reforms

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Speaker 4: in it, including body cameras, and then they walked away

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Speaker 4: from it. And then they walked away from the two

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Speaker 4: week funding bill, at least a lot of them did.

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Speaker 4: And the two week funding bill is way too short.

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Speaker 4: In the first place, I mean is.

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Speaker 5: They don't know what they want.

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Speaker 4: All they know is they want to fight Trump, and

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Speaker 4: that to me is a really bad motivation and it's

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Speaker 4: going to get them to make some bad decisions.

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Speaker 5: Which I think they're doing well.

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Speaker 1: I think they're in a box canyon out leader. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to suggest that we Republicans offer them the Dreamers,

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Speaker 1: which everybody in the country except five percent on each

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Speaker 1: edge want to be done, along with the ability to

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Speaker 1: cut off federal funding the sanctuary cities. Because sanctuary cities

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Speaker 1: are a problem. They are a refuge for dangerous illegal

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Speaker 1: everybody wants the Dreamers done. We can flip the script here.

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Speaker 1: Any conversation about that on the Hill.

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Speaker 4: There are some conversations around that, And again I think

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Speaker 4: if this does get if the Democrats were actually serious

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Speaker 4: about negotiating, I think those are things that could be

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Speaker 4: put in place. Certainly, as you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: sanctuary cities, which, as you point out, is a huge problem,

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Speaker 4: and I think the President has expressed in the past

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Speaker 4: some interest in dealing with the dreamer issue. I think

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Speaker 4: the president's in a position if he wants to to

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Speaker 6: On this issue.

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Speaker 4: But in the end you got to have a willing partner,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He's going to have that with the Democrats. We'll see.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think right now what I've suggested, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's true, is if the Senate Democrats you

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Speaker 4: don't want to make a deal here, they're going to

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Speaker 4: have to sit down with the White House and figure

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Speaker 4: out a path forward. But I don't think the Democrats

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Speaker 4: know what they want. I mean they haven't. They haven't

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Speaker 4: given us the list of their demands yet other than

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Speaker 4: these vague categories. And I just think they're in a

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Speaker 4: tough spot. But tsa FEMA, Coast Guard, cyber you know,

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Speaker 4: assists of the cyber operations for the country are all

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Speaker 4: in that bill, and if they decide to shut the

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Speaker 4: hard position to offend.

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Speaker 1: Do they even have a lead negotiator, Leader Throne? Do

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Speaker 1: they have someone that they've had you know, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be Chuck Schumer is going to sit down with

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Speaker 1: later Throne and the President to work this out? Or

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Speaker 1: is it their appropriations? Vice Chair?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 4: They haven't said And we've been asking, you know, we've

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Speaker 4: we've we've said we're prepared to negotiate the White House,

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Speaker 4: is right, I believe.

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Speaker 6: To sit down.

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Speaker 4: Katie bred who chairs the subcommittee on Homeland on the

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Speaker 4: Appropriations Committee, has sort of taken the lead role or

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Speaker 4: at least as offered up, you know, the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: sit down with them, whatever the Democrats want to put forward.

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Speaker 4: And you know, obviously we will be engaged.

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Speaker 5: I will be engaged in that as well.

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Speaker 4: But you know, in the end, the Democrats have got

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Speaker 5: And at this point it seem like.

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Speaker 4: They're more interested in having the issue than they aren't

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Speaker 4: having a solution.

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Speaker 1: Would you personally support a deal that included both the

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Speaker 1: dreamers and a funding cutoff switch for sanctuary cities? And

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Speaker 1: that might be one hundred percent, it might be fifty percent,

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Speaker 1: it might be twenty five percent of all federal funds

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Speaker 1: in all categories. I don't know what it is, but a.

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Speaker 4: Trigger, yeah, I mean, let me think about that. I

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Speaker 5: But I think like I said.

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Speaker 4: I think there's some things that could be put on

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Speaker 4: find solutions and is willing to go places that others haven't,

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Speaker 4: and so let's see where the conversation goes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did the first Step Act in term one.

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Speaker 1: A first Step Act on regularization would make a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense to me. Let me close by asking you

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Speaker 1: about the poor people at TSA. During the last shutdown,

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Speaker 1: I was flying a lot and they were working without

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean that's that's the problem.

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Speaker 5: Now. Fortunately, I mean that it falls on the.

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Speaker 6: Pay period, so they probably paid for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: But if this continues, that's what's going to happen. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I was just talking to one of my colleagues who

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Speaker 4: flew in just you know, over on Monday here to

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Speaker 6: Was asked by TSA.

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Speaker 4: Agents at the airport, you know, are we going to

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Speaker 4: the next paycheck.

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Speaker 5: Is coming from.

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Speaker 4: That's what the that's what the Democrats are. This is

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Speaker 4: where this ends up, where this leads us, and again

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Speaker 4: that's not a good outcome for anybody. So I hope

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Speaker 4: they figure out what they want, are willing to sit down,

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Speaker 4: negotiate in good faith, and let's see if there's a

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Speaker 4: there there, But if not, at least helped let us

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Speaker 4: fund these agencies with a continuing resolution.

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Speaker 6: Until the end of the fiscal year.

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Speaker 4: You know, at a minimum, they ought to be willing

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Speaker 1: Majority Later, John, thank thank you for joining me. By

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Speaker 1: Glory and even Grace America. I'm Hugh Hughitt. I got

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Speaker 9: the final steps.

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Speaker 1: Earlier, in the first start of today's program, I had

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Speaker 1: on the majority leader of thone and I began by

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Speaker 1: asking him what the result of any battle ought to be?

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Speaker 1: Can we play that clip for John? Last question on Iron,

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Speaker 1: mister leader, if we go to a battle with them,

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Speaker 1: what is an acceptable conclusion of that battle from your perspective?

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously, for me, what would be regime change? I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think you've got to get a new leadership. And

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Speaker 4: there's no guarantee that new leadership might be the answer either.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we've seen that before in other places around

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Speaker 5: the world.

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Speaker 4: But I do think that the Ranian people are clamoring

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Speaker 4: for a voice and in their government and for the

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Speaker 4: same rights that people and freedom loving countries have around

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Speaker 4: the world. And I think that's what we ought to

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Speaker 4: be supportive of there, so that we're an endgame, I

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Speaker 4: think that would be at least a great starting place.

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Speaker 1: John bod Ortz, I find that clarity to be refreshing.

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Speaker 1: Regime change and decapitation is what I think. I would say.

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Speaker 1: Just get rid of the Iatolas. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it's a general or not. Get rid of the Iotola.

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Speaker 1: They're fanatics.

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Speaker 9: There can be no other purpose for our military conflict

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Speaker 9: with Iran but the ending of the mollocracy. What would

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Speaker 9: be engaging with them for otherwise to teach them a

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Speaker 9: lesson to who are we attacking? I mean, the only

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Speaker 9: thing that we have to attack here is the regime

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Speaker 9: that killed upwards of or may have killed as many

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Speaker 9: as thirty thousand people in forty eight hours in an

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Speaker 9: effort to stem a genuine nationwide revolt against their leadership.

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Speaker 9: We wouldn't be exercising military options against Iran if there

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Speaker 9: were no If there were, that's the only purpose that

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Speaker 9: we have. And what regime change means, or decapitation means

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Speaker 9: in this context is they're gotten rid of and then

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Speaker 9: begins a new era in which we don't really understand

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Speaker 9: what happens over the course of the following year. Is

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Speaker 9: there a general who can take the place to someone

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Speaker 9: come in? Is there some kind of a coalition of

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Speaker 9: leader of this sort of dissident leaders until they can

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Speaker 9: either write a constitution, come to new elections, or restore

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Speaker 9: the old constitution that was in place before nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: We don't really know that. But there is.

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Speaker 9: Genuinely no purpose to kinetic military action of any kind

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Speaker 9: that does not result in the regime being ended.

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Speaker 1: I listened to yesterday poadcast of commentary podcast but Eli

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Speaker 1: Lake explaining that Reza Pablobby has a thirty percent approval rating.

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Speaker 1: It does. I don't have an opinion on who runs

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Speaker 1: they They can't have nukes and they can't have ballistic missiles.

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion. And we have other monarchies in the

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Speaker 1: Gulf that are our allies, and we can have a

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Speaker 1: monarchy in or a military hunta provided they don't threaten

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Speaker 1: the world with fanaticism. Is that a fair accurate statement

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Speaker 1: of our minimum demand on Iran? No more fanatics? It's

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Speaker 1: totally fair. This regime has been a place for forty

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Speaker 1: seven years. Around forty seven years, right, so what is

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Speaker 1: it done?

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Speaker 9: Caused a war with Iraq that cost a million or

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Speaker 9: two million.

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Speaker 1: Lives over eight years.

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Speaker 9: Still the world's premier state sponsor of terrorism, killed a

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Speaker 9: thousand Americans in Iraq, you know, suppressed revolt after revolt

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Speaker 9: after revolt, and then of course organized this twenty year

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Speaker 9: effort in the north, from the north end, from the

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Speaker 9: from the coast of the Mediterranean to destroy Israel and

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Speaker 9: you know, take over Lebanon and take over Syria and

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Speaker 9: all of that. It has been nothing but an evil

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Speaker 9: actor for almost half a century. So it being gone

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Speaker 9: is a net benefit to the world no matter who

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Speaker 9: replaces it, because, as I think Eleanna Johnson said on

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Speaker 9: our podcast today, whoever replaces it.

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Speaker 1: Can't be worse.

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Speaker 9: It can't be worse like literally, no regime can be

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Speaker 9: worse than this regime has been for a half century.

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Speaker 9: And of course I didn't even mention taking our hostages

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Speaker 9: and holding them for four hundred and forty four days.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't mention the mat and you didn't mention

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Speaker 1: Kobar Towers, and you didn't mention the Argentina Jewish Center,

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Speaker 1: and you didn't mention there so.

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Speaker 3: Many there are so many.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's impossible to enumerate the evil that this regime

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Speaker 9: is done outside its borders and inside its borders.

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Speaker 1: So if there's a partner, I made the argument, there's

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Speaker 1: also only one power in the world that can punish

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Speaker 1: them for a slaughter the magnitude of which has not

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Speaker 1: been rivaled in my lifetime, not anything remotely. Tannem And

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Speaker 1: Square was perhaps four thousand people, minimum thirty thousand people slaughtered,

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Speaker 1: mostly teenagers and college students, young people. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the West can just walk away from that. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be traumatic inside of Iran. But we are apparently

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Speaker 1: indifferent to it in the legacy media.

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's we are, and obviously so are the

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Speaker 9: celebrities who said nothing about it after you know, talking

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Speaker 9: about ice and talking about Gaza. Nobody at the Grammys,

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Speaker 9: nobody at these awards ceremonies is saying boo about this

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Speaker 9: massacre of you know, thirty thousand people or more that

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Speaker 9: took place just on January eighth and ninth. So, yes,

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Speaker 9: there is a kind of weird blind eye being turned

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Speaker 9: to this, and yet we are the only people who

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Speaker 9: can punish them for this barbaric evil. It is not

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Speaker 9: necessary to our national interests that we do that. But

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Speaker 9: once we started down this road and the President started

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Speaker 9: saying he was going to punish them, and that we

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Speaker 9: are you know, going where we're going. I don't even

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Speaker 9: understand what the negotiations are for. Are we negotiating?

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Speaker 1: I had britt him on before the show. I'm playing

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Speaker 1: the tape out in the course of the program, and

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Speaker 1: Bridd said, after a build up of this sort and

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Speaker 1: the statements that have been made. He has to use

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Speaker 1: the military there now. I'm aware of the threat, the

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Speaker 1: Sheffield threat. You know when Argentina hit a British ship

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Speaker 1: during the Falklands I'm aware that they could hit our

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Speaker 1: bases and Americans can die in our military is and harms. Way,

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Speaker 1: I don't think President Trump cannot do anything now without

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Speaker 1: losing all of the credibility built up with Solimani albag

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Speaker 1: Dottie Midnight Hammer and absolute result. Do you agree with

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Speaker 1: that if he walks away now, he's back in the

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Speaker 1: Obama lane.

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Speaker 9: I think that's pretty true. And look, remember the Iranian

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Speaker 9: timeline is on it. The Iranians have a different perspective

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Speaker 9: on us and our involvement in the Middle East than

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Speaker 9: we have. We think that we were engaged in a

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Speaker 9: war with Iraq in two thousand and three with the

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Speaker 9: Saddam Hussein regime. The Iranians think that they beat us

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Speaker 9: in Iraq. The Iranians think that they after the war

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Speaker 9: was over, they stimulated a civil war.

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Speaker 1: This happened. That happened.

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Speaker 2: The other happened.

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Speaker 9: They hit us and killed our people in within the

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Speaker 9: borders of Iraq without any response and without any complaint

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Speaker 9: public complaint, although people did mention it in congressional testimony

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Speaker 9: and things like that, and they may look at us,

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Speaker 9: with the exception of the Solmani assassination and the obviously

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Speaker 9: the strike in midnight Hammer and say, you know what,

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Speaker 9: we talk a good game, and once we really hit

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Speaker 9: them hard, but you know, they just stick at it

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Speaker 9: and we'll go away because we don't have the stomach

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Speaker 9: to face them.

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Speaker 1: And Trump needs to prove them wrong. I think he

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Speaker 1: did last question John Podhortz, and maybe he discussed it

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Speaker 1: this money. I'll be listening to commentary tonight. What is

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Speaker 1: the window here for timely action? I think it's to

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Speaker 1: the middle of March, or however long it takes to

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Speaker 1: get every fad battery and Patriot battery over there to

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Speaker 1: protect Israel and our allies and the Gulf. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not really concerned about tomorrow. What do you think we

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Speaker 1: got about a minute?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say we have.

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Speaker 9: I mean, in some sense we have all the time

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Speaker 9: in the world, by which I mean if we have

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Speaker 9: determined that the regime must go, and there's no immediate

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Speaker 9: reason that the regime.

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Speaker 1: Must go, we could do it today. We could do

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Speaker 1: it in March.

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Speaker 9: We could do it in May as long as we

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Speaker 9: are assured of succes. So that may be the thing

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Speaker 9: that's holding the president back is the decision to ratchet

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Speaker 9: up the percentage chance of success from eighty eight percent

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Speaker 9: to ninety six percent, and then he'll go.

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Speaker 1: I think that's well said, and at the same time

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Speaker 1: defend our people, our military, and our allies as much

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Speaker 1: as possible by letting them know this is what we're

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Speaker 1: going to do. We're not going to tell you when

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Speaker 1: be ready. John bod Ortz, I can't wait to listen

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Speaker 1: to the Commentary podcast today. All of you ought to

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Speaker 1: available on iTunes and Spotify. Thank you, John, Follow me

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Speaker 1: X by the way, Jay Podhortz. I'll be right back

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Speaker 1: in America at Stay tuned. Welcome back in America. I'm

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Speaker 1: do it in Early Factor Studio West. I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: one of the West great governors, Governor Greg g and

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Speaker 1: Forte of Montana. Governor, welcome back to the program. I

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Speaker 1: understand Erica Kirk is in the Big Sky state today.

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Speaker 1: What's that all about.

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Speaker 10: Well, we were thrilled to have Erica Kirk here. We've

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Speaker 10: been promoting Turning Point USA's program to help get high

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Speaker 10: school students to love America.

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Speaker 2: This is called Club America.

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Speaker 10: Twelve percent of all the high schools in Montana have

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Speaker 10: a Club America. These are really civics organizations, and we

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Speaker 10: stated very clearly Erica Kirk was here to support the

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Speaker 10: effort that we want a Club America chapter in every

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Speaker 10: single high school in the state of Montana.

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Speaker 1: So what is Club America set out to do? Governor?

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Speaker 1: Is it a bipartisan or a neutral as to R

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Speaker 1: and D civics course or is it center right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 10: This is about American exceptionalism, our founding fathers, and engagement

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Speaker 10: with our community. So it teaches young kids, mostly conservative

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Speaker 10: of kids that love America to have a peer group

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Speaker 10: so they can support each other get involved in community service.

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Speaker 10: Whereas Turning Point has their college campuses those lean more

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Speaker 10: a little more political, the high school chapters are really

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Speaker 10: focused on civics education, limited government, and American values.

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Speaker 1: Kevinor, I've always been when I've talked to young people,

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Speaker 1: a big advocate of speech and debate only because they

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Speaker 1: actually have to stand up and learn something about the

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Speaker 1: way the country is working. For exact, we're about to

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Speaker 1: go to into a battle with Iran, I think, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on that in a second,

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Speaker 1: and I think speech and debate is probably the best

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Speaker 1: way to do it. But Club America would be a

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Speaker 1: good option. Have the principles and the teachers been open

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Speaker 1: to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had a young lady, Naomi.

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Speaker 10: She spoke to the group, we had about seventy these

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Speaker 10: high school students here at the Capitol today along with

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Speaker 10: Erica Kirk and other representatives, and she said that she

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Speaker 10: had to.

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Speaker 2: Fight her way through to get a charter in her

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Speaker 2: high school. We're hoping with.

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Speaker 10: Our advocacy to provide a little air cover for him

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Speaker 10: so it's easier for these high school students to start

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Speaker 10: these chapters.

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Speaker 1: You know, our mutual friend, the late Foster Freeze, was

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Speaker 1: a big force behind Charlie getting started. I'm glad to

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Speaker 1: hear Erica is back in Montana picking up the baton

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Speaker 1: in that great state, the very patriotic state to begin with.

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Speaker 1: I just can't imagine Montana would not want to put

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Speaker 1: its arms around Club America.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to have one in every high school.

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Speaker 10: And as you know, I mean you've known, you knew

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Speaker 10: Charlie for a long time.

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Speaker 2: I did as well.

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Speaker 10: Foster, I understand, wrote Charlie his first check when Charlie

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Speaker 10: trapped him in a stairwell at some national convincement.

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Speaker 2: Charlie told me a number of years ago, as we've had.

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Speaker 10: Him to our home many times, Charlie and I spent

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Speaker 10: three days hiking and hunting in the mountains of Montana together,

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Speaker 10: just the two of us.

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Speaker 2: He told me. My wife and I.

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Speaker 10: Wrote after Foster, we wrote Charlie his second check. Am

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Speaker 10: I Good fourteen years ago to help Turning Point get started.

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Speaker 2: And we just we love the organization. We love it.

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Speaker 2: It embraces American values, and you know.

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Speaker 10: It has just exploded since his assassination. And I'm so

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Speaker 10: proud of Erica, both the message she sent to America

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Speaker 10: around forgiveness and walking out her faith in what she

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Speaker 10: did in that memorial service in Phoenix. We were right

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Speaker 10: there in the near the front row, and continues to

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Speaker 10: do and it's difficult, but she is persevering because for her,

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Speaker 10: it's truly a calling to reclaim America for conservative values.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never met Erica Kirk and I just admire

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Speaker 1: her courage from Afar and the fact that she picked

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Speaker 1: up the flag and carrying it forward. Now, Governor, I

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Speaker 1: want to draw on your experience in Congress as well

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Speaker 1: as no doubt the National Guard in Montana has had

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Speaker 1: to deploy before. Looks like we're about to go to

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Speaker 1: war with Iran. Is that how you're reading this situation.

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Speaker 10: It does not appear that Iran is willing to come

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Speaker 10: to the table and do the things they must do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the.

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Speaker 10: President has laid out the terms very clearly, no nukes

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Speaker 10: and you got to stop killing your people. The President

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Speaker 10: is the master of the deal, but the terms are

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Speaker 10: on the table. The Iranians need to pick them up.

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Speaker 1: That is well said, Governor, and I'm going to leave

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Speaker 1: it right there because that's what John Thune said apparently

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Speaker 1: in the Mountain West People Prize Clarity interactions. So I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. Governor Greg Janforte, thank you for joining me today.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it very very much. I want to play

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Speaker 1: again for all of you just tuned in. Here is

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Speaker 1: what John Thune said to me earlier today on this

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Speaker 1: program about Iran. Can you play it for me this

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Speaker 1: question on Iran, mister Leader, If we go to a

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Speaker 1: battle with them, what is an acceptable conclusion of that

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Speaker 1: battle from your perspective?

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Speaker 6: Well, obviously for me, you what would be regime change?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think you've got to get new leadership.

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Speaker 4: And there's no guarantee that new leadership might.

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Speaker 6: Be the answer either.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen that before in other places around

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Speaker 4: the world. But I do think that the Iranian people

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Speaker 4: are clamoring for a voice and in their government and

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Speaker 4: for the same rights that people and freedom loving countries

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Speaker 4: have around the world. And I think that's what we

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Speaker 4: ought to be supportive of there, and so that we're

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Speaker 4: an endgame, I think that would be at least a

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Speaker 4: great starting place.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the kind of clarity we need. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate greatly that the majority of Leader was that blunt.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people hate the term regime change because

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Speaker 1: they attribute to it. It's like talking about regularization for dreamers.

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Speaker 1: They attribute to whatever it is you're saying qualities that

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Speaker 1: are not there. We don't want to run around and

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Speaker 1: I am completely indifferent too. Takes over Iran provided they

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Speaker 1: do not threaten their neighbors, do not kill their people,

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Speaker 1: do not threaten Americans, and are not theological fanatics possessed

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Speaker 1: of a millenarium end Times vision about the twelfth amount.

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Speaker 1: And as John Bodortz at the beginning of this program,

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Speaker 1: they have been about this project for forty seven years.

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Speaker 1: I've watched it from the beginning. I'll talk with brit

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Speaker 1: Hume about it in hour three. There is no getting

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Speaker 1: away from the fact that regime is never ever going

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Speaker 1: to change until it has changed from outside. And we

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Speaker 1: are the people, probably along with Israel, maybe along with

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Speaker 1: other Gulf states, to make that change and decapitate the regime.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that we want to have anyone

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Speaker 1: on the ground. Ever, the Iranian people will sort it out,

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Speaker 1: and the Iranian military should come to their aid in

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Speaker 1: doing so, the regular army, not the IRGC. But you

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Speaker 1: murder thirty thousand people, there is nothing you won't do.

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Speaker 1: So they can't have ballistic missiles, they can't have nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 1: they can't continue to assault people around the world as

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Speaker 1: they have for a half century. And I'm glad, well,

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Speaker 1: this is what Donald Trump told NBC earlier today. CUTT

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Speaker 1: number ten.

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Speaker 2: Should the Supreme Leader in Iran be worried right now, I.

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Speaker 3: Would say he should be very worried.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he should be, as you know they're negotiating with

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Speaker 1: I think very worried is the right thing. Coming right

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Speaker 1: back America.

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Speaker 3: Oh beautiful day.

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Speaker 9: I'm just so glad of a leaf.

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Speaker 1: Quarter back America. That is jelly Roll, of course, And

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Speaker 1: jelly Roll was honored at the Grammys, which were mostly

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Speaker 1: noted for how stupid they were, But jelly Roll was

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Speaker 1: actually quite inspirational. I know about that. I didn't watch

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Speaker 1: it because of a column by my guest Selena Zito,

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Speaker 1: who joins me. Now, Hi, Selena, anybody interesting talk to

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Speaker 1: you recently?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just.

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Speaker 11: Talked to the President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: So what's on the president's mind as we get close

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Speaker 1: to war? Can you tell us? I don't want obviously,

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Speaker 1: you can't break comment.

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Speaker 11: I cannot tell you other than it has to do

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Speaker 11: with the great state of Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope he's going, and I hope if he's going,

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Speaker 1: you're going, And I hope if you're going, you'll tell

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Speaker 1: me about it.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it was a grand column about jelly Roll. By

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Speaker 1: the way, how long did you talk to the president.

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Speaker 11: For about fourteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's always kind of fun the interview. You

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Speaker 1: have to have talked to the president because then it

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Speaker 1: proves to my audience in fact, she is the president's

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Speaker 1: favorite journalist. I believe it's a matter of statistical proof.

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Speaker 1: Number of minutes spent in conversation with a journalist on

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Speaker 1: the record is Selena Zito And you can tell by Butler.

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Speaker 1: So Selena tell people about Jelly Roll and I honestly

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about him ntil I read your column.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he.

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Speaker 11: I have been a really big fan of his, not

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Speaker 11: just because of his sound. He has a unique sound,

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Speaker 11: sort of in the way that Johnny Cash had a

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Speaker 11: unique sound when when he first came on on the

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Speaker 11: scene back in the sixties, fifties and sixties. But he

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Speaker 11: This is a story of redemption. This is a This

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Speaker 11: is a young man from from Tennessee who, as he

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Speaker 11: calls himself, trader, part trash and grew up surrounded by addiction,

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Speaker 11: became addicted himself, found himself in jail, found himself not

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Speaker 11: a good guy, who found Jesus and is so grateful

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Speaker 11: that his life has turned around that when he received

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Speaker 11: his Award on Sunday night that that he didn't say

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Speaker 11: the word I at all other than when he said, like.

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Speaker 3: I have not been a good person.

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Speaker 11: But he talked about we.

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Speaker 2: And he and he.

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Speaker 11: He gave thanks to God, and he gave thanks to

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Speaker 11: his family, and he gave thanks to his fans and

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Speaker 11: showed this gratefulness that we don't see a lot in

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Speaker 11: our culture. And it was such a powerful moving moment.

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Speaker 11: And he held up his little red Bible and he said,

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Speaker 11: there were times in my life where all I have

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Speaker 11: was this little red Bible and a radio about the

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Speaker 11: same size, and that's what got me through it. And that,

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Speaker 11: by the grace of God, here a mine.

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Speaker 1: So Selena, I'm interested in this for a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: the only story I saw about the Emmys was about

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Speaker 1: you can't be a legal on Stolen Land by Billy

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Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, this was a dumb show.

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Speaker 1: So did anyone notice Jelly role other than you?

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Speaker 11: The middle of the country did for sure. Right where,

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Speaker 11: no matter what your faith is, your belief in God

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Speaker 11: and faith is often central to your life and how

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Speaker 11: you get through your daily life and the people that

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Speaker 11: support you, whether they're family, whether they're spouses, whether their community,

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Speaker 11: and it was just it is such an un heralded

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Speaker 11: characteristic that you hear coming from people in Hollywood, and

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Speaker 11: but yet it is something that is very important to

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Speaker 11: those of us who live in the middle of the country.

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Speaker 1: All those those are church, those who believe in Jesus,

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Speaker 1: or who believe in God, or just generally have even

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Speaker 1: an ethical view of the world, might be indeed inspired

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Speaker 1: by that. I'm not surprised it did not get picked

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Speaker 1: up by legacy media. I'm so glad you wrote that

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Speaker 1: column because I would never have known that that happened, because,

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Speaker 1: like most of America, you couldn't pay me to watch

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Speaker 1: the Grammys. Now, Selena, I want to turn to your

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Speaker 1: telephone friend. I don't know if you talked about Iran,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not asked can you to quote him? But

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Speaker 1: what do you think is happening here?

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Speaker 11: I think, much like with what happened in Venezuela, will

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Speaker 11: know it when it happens. He for as much for

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Speaker 11: as transparent as Trump is, for as much as we

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Speaker 11: seem to think we know and understand his every thought,

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Speaker 11: there are many things that happened in the back channel

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Speaker 11: that he comes close to his vest and we find

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Speaker 11: out when we find out, and I believe that that's

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Speaker 11: what's going to happen with Iran.

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Speaker 1: Next hour, I'm going to play part of an interview

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Speaker 1: I did with great humor earlier today in which he

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Speaker 1: says media has so missed and misunderstood President Trump because

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Speaker 1: of how loud he is and how out of that

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Speaker 1: mold he is, that they don't really cover what he does.

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Speaker 1: And it resonated with me. Does that resonate with you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it absolutely does.

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Speaker 11: I mean, he was triumphant at Davos, and because he

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Speaker 11: was so loud, it's because he was so outside the

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Speaker 11: it was covered as though it was a failure. But

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Speaker 11: the things that he got down at Gabos are are

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Speaker 11: absolutely unbelievable, and the relationships that were formed there. But

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Speaker 11: because my profession fails to understand how he does what

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Speaker 11: he does blows my mind. And I really want to

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Speaker 11: make this point. Do you remember when Barack Obama came

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Speaker 11: out in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 11: and everybody, every journalist, ran to get his book right

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Speaker 11: and dive into them and just you know, pick it

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Speaker 11: apart and talk about how brilliant he was and how

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Speaker 11: it got inside who he was. Had anybody gotten and

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Speaker 11: read Trump's book Are of the Deal? Because it's all

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Speaker 11: in there, and it frustrates the heck out of me

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Speaker 11: that nobody says, oh, this is how he operates.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 3: Read it.

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Speaker 1: Very unfortunate for the people of Iran who got murdered

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Speaker 1: by these fanatics they didn't read it before they did that.

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Speaker 1: Because what is coming, I think is as certain as

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Speaker 1: I think Eisenhower said, as certain as sunrise follows night.

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Speaker 1: What is coming to Iran is certain. I don't know when,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how, and I know it's dangerous for

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Speaker 1: our military. I don't take it lightly, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's certain. Selena Zito always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Follow her on exat Zito Selena Zito Selena, or go

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Speaker 1: and just sign up for all of her columns at

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Speaker 1: Selenazito dot com or website. And the next time that

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Speaker 1: we have an interview scheduled, I think the President will

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Speaker 1: probably call you again right beforehand, so that we have

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Speaker 1: to worry about dumping out of the interview and finding

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Speaker 1: something else to play b well. Selena author of the

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Speaker 1: best selling Butler, and she's going to tell me about

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Speaker 1: I would trust Selena with anything off the record. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere America. I'm coming right back morning or eating

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Speaker 1: grace in America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm joined by Ambassador

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Speaker 1: Robert Shie O'Brian. Ambassador O'Brien was the National Security advisor

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Speaker 1: for President Trump in the first term. He joins me

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Speaker 1: on a very portentious day, mister ambassador, you're watching the news.

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Speaker 1: What do you think looms ahead with Iran?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think the President is going to hit around

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Speaker 12: and he's given her He's very predictable. He gives these

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Speaker 12: bad guys a chance to do the right thing. When

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Speaker 12: they don't, he hits them, and he hits them hard.

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Speaker 12: And he's given the Iranians a chance to give up

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Speaker 12: their original program, which is a bare minimum for the

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Speaker 12: United States.

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Speaker 3: We have to have a nuclear free.

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Speaker 12: Ad He's given her a chance to give their ballistic

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Speaker 12: missile program, and they've use US missiles to hit him

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Speaker 12: Eric Basis and to trialize some friends in the region.

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Speaker 12: And he's given a chance to stop supplying the huties

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Speaker 12: and the headline and amas with the weapons of bass

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Speaker 12: destruction to hit America. So he's got three opportunities, and

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Speaker 12: I think they're gonna they're gonna turn it.

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Speaker 1: Turn it down now, mister ambassador, the when you were

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Speaker 1: with the President, he did strike Sulimani, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: give any warning about that unless it was given through

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Speaker 1: back channels. This is very very loud and clear, in fact,

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Speaker 1: so clear. Here's what Senator John Thune told me the

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Speaker 1: majority leader of the Senate earlier in the program today.

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Speaker 1: Let's play that for Ambassador O'Brien. Last question on iron,

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Speaker 1: mister leader, if if we go to a battle with them,

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Speaker 1: what is an acceptable conclusion of that battle from your perspective?

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Speaker 6: Well, obviously, for me, what would be regime change.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you've got to get a new

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Speaker 4: leadership and there and there's no guarantee that new leadership

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Speaker 4: might be the answer either. I mean, we've seen that

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Speaker 4: before in other places around the world. But I do

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Speaker 4: think that the Iranian people are clamoring for a voice and.

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Speaker 5: In their government and for the same.

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Speaker 4: Rights that people in freedom loving countries have around the world,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's what we ought to be supportive

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Speaker 4: of there.

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Speaker 1: So I'm mister ambassador, what do you think about regime change?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, So later though, it was absolutely right, and Santa

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Speaker 12: Too hit the nail on the head. This is a

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Speaker 12: government that's been at war with America for fifty years, Hugh.

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Speaker 12: I mean they started out their regime by taking our

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Speaker 12: amplomat's hostage for four hundred and forty four days, right

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Speaker 12: to humiliated the United States of America. Certainly Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 12: They did in a continue too, bombed our embassy in

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Speaker 12: Beirut through the heads blow the Party.

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Speaker 3: Of God which they founded in Lebanon.

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Speaker 12: They then killed two hundred and forty one Marines at

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Speaker 12: the Marine barracks and beaut the largest loss of life

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Speaker 12: of the marine course in tb with Regima.

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Speaker 3: They then hit.

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Speaker 12: Kobar towers and hit our soldiers in Marriman and Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 12: They killed hundreds, if not thousands of the U. S.

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Speaker 12: Soldiers and who were having to bring democracy to Iraq.

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Speaker 12: And they're threatening even today to kill the President of

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Speaker 12: the United States. So this is a governments of war

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Speaker 12: with America, and the only way to the war is

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Speaker 12: in that government.

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Speaker 1: Is there in your mind a preferred successor at many

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Speaker 1: I mean the president has said nothing about the Crown Prince,

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Speaker 1: he said nothing about the Iranian army. He said nothing

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Speaker 1: about anything, just that they have to they're not going

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Speaker 1: to give up their missiles. And that means regime change.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to see happen there afterwards?

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Speaker 12: As the leader that will respect their rights and not

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Speaker 12: kill them and hang them and and kill the women

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Speaker 12: for not where he's come, and kill gays for being

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Speaker 12: who they are and hanging out from cranes. I mean,

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Speaker 12: this is a very evil regime, perhaps most evil regime

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Speaker 12: in the world. I mean, think about it. They killed

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Speaker 12: over thirty thousand people last week or two weeks ago.

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Speaker 12: That's many more times than the Chinese kill and tim

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Speaker 12: and square there. These people deserve to go. And it's

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Speaker 12: not to say their own people that they've killed. They've

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Speaker 12: killed thousands of Americans. To me, the essence of America

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Speaker 12: first is defending the American people. And I think as

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Speaker 12: was press Trumpolis and defending the American people means this

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Speaker 12: regume goes who the Iranian people select after, whether it's

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Speaker 12: the conference and he suggests that he'd come in in

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Speaker 12: a temporary role and oversee a transition to democracy.

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Speaker 3: Or if they turn to a general or a civil leader.

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Speaker 12: That's really up to the Iranian people that the current

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Speaker 12: government and the current policy of killing Americans has to end.

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Speaker 1: So a last question, mister ambassador, do you have a

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Speaker 1: time frame for this? Because the George H. W. Bush

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Speaker 1: carrier group just was announced to be heading in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, that's at least a week's transit time. Do

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Speaker 1: you expect any showdown that is kinetic, to use the

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Speaker 1: term of art of the day, is going to wait

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Speaker 1: until the Bush is on station.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't need to.

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Speaker 12: I mean we showed without operation midnight in Hammra that

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Speaker 12: we can use the aircraft launch from America for Missouri

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Speaker 12: to do with significant damage to Iran. We have the

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Speaker 12: averring Lincoln, which has ninety aircraft on it embarked on

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Speaker 12: it right now. The Bush certainly gives them the sentcom

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Speaker 12: Combatant commander and the admirals more firepower, no doubt. But

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Speaker 12: we could start tomorrow, we could start a week from now.

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Speaker 12: And the beauty of it is President Trouble will be

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Speaker 12: the person who dies to the time and manner in

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Speaker 12: the place of the attack, and then that will be

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Speaker 12: a surprise. What won't be a surprise if the Iranians

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Speaker 12: turned down the negotiations, turned down the deal he's offered him,

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Speaker 12: which is a very fair deal, just like you offered

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Speaker 12: madord of the chance to leave, and Madud did Layton.

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Speaker 12: He's in Brooklyn, I told it's been given a chance

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Speaker 12: to leave, to go to Moscow or bit Chang and

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Speaker 12: take the billions of dogs and they stole from the

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Speaker 12: Iranian people with him, and he can.

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Speaker 3: Get out of there, or you can choose to stay

1004
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Speaker 3: and face.

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Speaker 12: The wrath of America if you don't take the deal,

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Speaker 12: and if the President see him a very fair deal.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're from from here? I know you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have the classification anymore, although you're on the Presidential

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Speaker 1: Point Intelligence Advisory Board or whatever Pithyap's called. Now, is

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Speaker 1: there any indication that someone might just shoot the Iatola

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Speaker 1: in the back of his head because they're afraid they're

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Speaker 1: going to get blown up?

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Speaker 3: That's something a dictator always has to worry about.

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Speaker 12: You is an assassination if the king, but the ipol

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Speaker 12: is surrounded by an attics, religious fanatics who believe he's

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Speaker 12: the voice of God on the earth.

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Speaker 3: He's in a bunker, so he is probably unlickily that.

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Speaker 12: Someone from the regime takes him out, and the penalty

1019
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Speaker 12: is so high if you if you don't kill the king,

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Speaker 12: or even if you do, in that circumstance, he'll kill

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Speaker 12: your family.

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Speaker 3: He'll kill your extended family.

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Speaker 12: He'll kill your uncle's aunts, you know, anyone related to you.

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Speaker 12: So it's not likely that he'll he'll be assassinated or

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Speaker 12: they'll be a cut regime.

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Speaker 13: What's more likely is that he'll he'll run for the

1027
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Speaker 13: hills with all his money. You know, he's the man

1028
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Speaker 13: of God who has sold billions of dollars and put

1029
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Speaker 13: it overseas to feather his nest. I assimilar go to

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Speaker 13: the cash to them and faced American military power, he

1031
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Speaker 13: would he can.

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Speaker 1: Have a villain next to Asad and the Assad family

1033
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Speaker 1: because they're all in Russia. Now, Ambassador Robert Seale Brian,

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Speaker 1: good to talk to you. Thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. American Global Securities Chairman of the Board.

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Speaker 1: I want to get that right, ags, chairman of the board.

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Speaker 1: forget my code is Hugh. Welcome back to America, you, Hewett.

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Speaker 1: I am so pleased to welcome I think for the

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Speaker 1: first time Brit Hume to the Uuit Show. Long time

1064
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Speaker 1: member of ABC News than he was the anchor of

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Speaker 1: Special Report. He is now, of course, chief political analyst

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Speaker 1: for Fox News. You see him most Sundays on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sunday Show and then often on Special Report. Whenever I'm

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Speaker 1: on the panel with Bread, just try not to say

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Speaker 1: anything stupid sitting next to him. How are you, mister Hume.

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Speaker 1: Where do we find you today?

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Speaker 14: Well, I'm in southwest Florida, which is now my home.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that you and I are both in

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Speaker 1: a warm place, poor old DC. When I set this

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Speaker 1: up weeks ago, I was going to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about every president and covering them. I still will in

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Speaker 1: a kind of way. But two things happened today. The

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Speaker 1: Post Washington Post kind of exploded, and Iran may be

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Speaker 1: exploding by the end of the show. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but I would like to talk to you about both

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Speaker 1: of them. But first I got to recall you worked

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Speaker 1: for Jack Anderson a long time ago, didn't you.

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Speaker 14: I did. For several years.

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Speaker 1: Was he published in the Post?

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Speaker 14: He was? He was published in the Post? It was

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Speaker 14: It had been Drew Pearson, the famous Drew Pearson's column

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Speaker 14: for many, many years. It ran on the comics page

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Speaker 14: because the Post had even though Pearson was wildly popular

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Speaker 14: and so was Anderson after him. It was wildly popular

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Speaker 14: with readers, but the Post didn't approve of it being

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Speaker 14: stuffy in the way they could be at times back

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Speaker 14: in those days, and so they ran on the comics page.

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Speaker 14: And at some point somebody proposed moving it off the

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Speaker 14: comics page on the editorial page. And Jack Anderson, for

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Speaker 14: whom I was then working, he didn't want that because

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Speaker 14: he said he'd rather be next to Peanuts and next

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Speaker 14: to Joe Kraft, was the prominent Washington columnist in those days,

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Speaker 14: and so he organed. He got all the churches and

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Speaker 14: institutions to whom he'd given speeches and who he could

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Speaker 14: call it call favors from to write to the Post.

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Speaker 14: And the idea was killed, and the column stayed on

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Speaker 14: the editorial page until they ended some years later.

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Speaker 1: I know that former President on the comics page. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: former President Dixon had it in for Anderson, and I know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you got caught up in that,

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Speaker 1: but it goes back to Drew Pearson days. I used

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Speaker 1: to I worked for Nixon out of college in his

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Speaker 1: exile at the Elbow of America out in San Clementy,

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Speaker 1: and he told me once that he broke up a

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Speaker 1: fist fight between kil Gunner, Joe McCarthy, and Drew Pearson

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Speaker 1: at some you know, could have been any of the

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Speaker 1: many Washington dinners that are held. Did you ever do

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Speaker 1: that for JACKI Anderson?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, another story it happened. The fight that was broken

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Speaker 14: up was at the Celgrave Club, which is a very

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Speaker 14: elite club right near DuPont Circle in Washington, where my

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Speaker 14: only reason I went there is I got on the

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Speaker 14: list for debut parties and used to go. And they

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Speaker 14: were apparently they were tussling on a stairwell and then

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Speaker 14: in the lobby and and Nixon broke it up.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're the only guy, I though, who can go

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Speaker 1: back and talk about Nixon first person the way I can.

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Speaker 1: But I really want to talk about Carter and Harmoni

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Speaker 1: because you're probably one of the few people that remembers

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Speaker 1: the Revolution of seventy eight seventy nine. I watched it

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Speaker 1: with Nixon and San Clementy and Great Price on the

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Speaker 1: couch in the West Wing the Western White House Oval

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Speaker 1: Office replica, and we couldn't believe every day what we

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Speaker 1: were seeing as the Shaw flat after a year of marches.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that as vividly as I do?

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Speaker 14: I do remember it very well. I guess I was

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Speaker 14: covering Capitol Hill at the time, and of course it

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Speaker 14: was widely watched there as well. It was a very

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Speaker 14: big story, and of course, you know, it was succeeded

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Speaker 14: by the famous hostage taking and hostage crisis that really

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Speaker 14: was terribly damaging to the then President Carter's political standing.

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Speaker 14: And you know, I think, well, you could make a

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Speaker 14: pretty good case, Hugh, that it was that as much

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Speaker 14: as anything else that did him in as the presidential candidate.

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Speaker 14: Carter as presidential candidate in nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: I think it was. And then the big question to

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Speaker 1: ask you, has any president until Trump ever tried to

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Speaker 1: deal with the Iran regime and the crazy Toya tolds

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Speaker 1: Homini and Imani from a position of strength the way

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing after Midnight Hammer because Reagan got ballocks

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Speaker 1: by them. I don't remember much on HW's watch, but

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Speaker 1: Clinton couldn't figure him out. W never struck back when

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Speaker 1: they began blowing up American soldiers in Iraq, and of

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Speaker 1: course Obama did the JCPOA. Have they ever been understood

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Speaker 1: by the White House.

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Speaker 14: My view is that we've never seen a military build

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Speaker 14: up on the scale that we're seeing now. This is striking.

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Speaker 14: I mean, this is really a massive allocation of military

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Speaker 14: force in that region. And my guess, true Hugh, is

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Speaker 14: that the president is in a position where, you know,

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Speaker 14: failing some extraordinary and utterly unexpected a areement on nuclear

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Speaker 14: weapons and other things from Iran, he's in a position

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Speaker 14: where he's going to have to use that for us.

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Speaker 1: I think I agree with that. And when the Iranians

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Speaker 1: canceled the meeting today, that's why I said Iran might

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Speaker 1: be blowing up as we speak. We wouldn't know about it.

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Speaker 1: The Iranians seem to recognize that they are at wits end.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to give up what Trump wants, and

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Speaker 1: they also don't seem to realize they have no leverage.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they can actually threaten America

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Speaker 1: at all, do you I don't.

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Speaker 14: I think they can threaten, potentially at least threaten the

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Speaker 14: US bases in the region, and I think they can

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Speaker 14: threaten some of our allies in the region, which I

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Speaker 14: presume is the reason why we're said to be moving

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Speaker 14: anti missile systems into the region to whatever extent we can.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's correct too. I think they they

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Speaker 1: have been publishing pictures of the bases in Jordan and

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Speaker 1: the UAE and cut her A on the far As

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Speaker 1: News agency, which is the unofficial arm of the of

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Speaker 1: the government, and that's a veiled threat. Do you think

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Speaker 1: threats work with Donald Trump very well?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think they can. They sometimes do, perhaps, but

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Speaker 14: he's in these in these matters, he's about as bold

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Speaker 14: a president as we've had in some time. And you know,

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Speaker 14: he's willing to take risks and and and order daring missions,

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Speaker 14: the mission in Venezuela being the most conspicuous recent example.

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Speaker 14: But he's willing to do this stuff. And of course

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Speaker 14: he with considerable health from Israel, was able to successfully

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Speaker 14: take out huge pieces of Iran's nuclear program. So I mean,

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Speaker 14: I think he's I think he's prepared to do it again,

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Speaker 14: or to try again with an even larger force.

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Speaker 1: So I want to try an argument out on you.

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Speaker 1: I heard Lindsey Graham in the Oval yesterday say to

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Speaker 1: the President that the President Trump was Reagan. Plus I

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Speaker 1: actually thought it's more like hw Bush because HW Bush

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Speaker 1: went to Panama, and I think you were at the

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Speaker 1: White House at this point, covering the White House. Hw

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Speaker 1: Bush Panama. Okay, he did Panama, and he did Iraq

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Speaker 1: in and out massive use of force, then cut it

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Speaker 1: off after one hundred hours in Iraq, after a month

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Speaker 1: and a half in Panama and got out. Is Trump

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Speaker 1: more like hw or is he more like Reagan?

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Speaker 14: Well, in terms of the length of the missions, he's

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Speaker 14: more like hw as you suggest, Hugh, and I think

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Speaker 14: you know this is a somewhat different matter, because he

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Speaker 14: had a very discreet mission did hw in Iraq, which

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Speaker 14: was to evict Saddam Hussein's army. He had a grant

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Speaker 14: from the UN, a grant of authority from the UN

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Speaker 14: UN resolution supporting that mission, which was very important politically

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Speaker 14: around the world, and it was very important in the

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Speaker 14: United States. In fact, he had the UN authorization before

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Speaker 14: he was able to get a similar authorization through the

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Speaker 14: US Senate, which is a surprising thing, you might think

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Speaker 14: in this day and age. But that's and so he

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Speaker 14: went and did what he thought he had to do.

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Speaker 14: He evicted Saddam Hussin's army from a rocket and from

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Speaker 14: a Kuwait excuse me. And that was it. He let

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Speaker 14: it go and after that, and of course people were

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Speaker 14: critical of that. I think I think mister Trump, given

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Speaker 14: his recent record, would be inclined to do what he

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Speaker 14: needed to do and get out. The question is what

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Speaker 14: will the mission be if he decides to go into

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Speaker 14: Iran militarily. Will it simply be to add further damage

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Speaker 14: to the nuclear program? Would he be trying to hit

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Speaker 14: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and do as much damas

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Speaker 14: to them? Responsible?

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Speaker 6: Is he?

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Speaker 14: Is it regime change? Is it toppling the Saddam? I

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Speaker 14: mean tumpling the current Irunian regime? And I don't think

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Speaker 14: we know the answer to those questions at this stage.

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Speaker 1: I don't, But I've just finished reading a book by

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Speaker 1: a fellow named Siliski about the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps.

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Speaker 1: And there is no killing every part, root and branch

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Speaker 1: of that. It's too big, it's too vast. It's the besiege,

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Speaker 1: which is a million volunteers that run over demonstrators and

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Speaker 1: kill people at close range. It's a quarter million IRGC

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Speaker 1: hardcore professional. It's not the Iranian army. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: can blow up the missile depots, they can try and

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Speaker 1: kill Hamini. I think they can block out Tehran, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they can do more than that.

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Speaker 1: Although getting rid of the missile launchers would be a

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Speaker 1: big win and would validate the promises the president made

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Speaker 1: to the demonstrators at least I think it would. Would

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Speaker 1: you would you agree with that assessment? It would? It

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Speaker 1: would validate Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And I think and I think that the question you

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Speaker 14: have to ask is would any short regime change end

1243
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Speaker 14: up making the difference in being worth the risk? And

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Speaker 14: of course if you do, should see eat in toppling regime.

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Speaker 14: Then you have the question of what next, which is

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Speaker 14: a question that has been devilist in other places, principally

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Speaker 14: in Iraq. So, I you know, I think this is

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Speaker 14: this is a very big and risky situation we're in.

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Speaker 14: But I think the President is kind of out on

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Speaker 14: a limb here, and he's going to have to act

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Speaker 14: because he's it's unimaginable to me that he can get

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Speaker 14: a satisfactory response from Iran without doing something.

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Speaker 1: I think that is exactly the calculation Howmonia has made,

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Speaker 1: that it's unimaginable that he can not do something. And

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Speaker 1: when he does something, ha MANI is going to try

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Speaker 1: and inflict massive damage on the American basis. He's sent

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Speaker 1: up a drone at the Lincoln yesterday, which is not

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Speaker 1: a very good idea. I've got a son in a

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Speaker 1: law of no aircraft carriers and they're pretty well defended.

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Speaker 1: But I do remember the Sheffield. I was reminded of

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Speaker 1: it this week that an exost missile was filed fired

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Speaker 1: by Argentina back in the Falklands. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: where you were at that time, if you're gone to

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Speaker 1: ABC by that point, Oh yeah, you were at ABC

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Speaker 1: by that point. The Falklands is h late Reagan.

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Speaker 14: Uh, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's Thatcher and it's Reagan, and HW is

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Speaker 1: a rock and Thatcher. So I get to confuse. But

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Speaker 1: Argentina took out the Sheffield. I'm not being casual about

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Speaker 1: the danger to our troops or to our ships, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think he cannot The President Trump can do nothing.

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Speaker 1: I think he actually asked to now go and punish them,

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Speaker 1: and punish can be very very big. As you point out,

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Speaker 1: have we ever done a mission before?

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Speaker 14: And I think hughes that. One of the things that

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Speaker 14: the President can feel that he may have accomplished by

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Speaker 14: virtue of the actions he's taken in Iran and then

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Speaker 14: later of course in Venezuela, is some restoration of the

1279
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Speaker 14: kind of deterrent that our foreign policy has been built

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Speaker 14: on for so long. Is not that we want to

1281
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Speaker 14: go to wars, that we want to have a big

1282
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 14: military establishment everywhere, but we want people to feel that

1283
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 14: we have enough power to strike them in a powerful

1284
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Speaker 14: and damaging way if they mess around with us. And

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Speaker 14: of course, when you pull out of Afghanistan in a

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Speaker 14: way that we did, and when you know Barack Obama's

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Speaker 14: famous red line went completely unenforced in Syria, that damage

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Speaker 14: is that image. I think mister Trump is trying to

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Speaker 14: rebuild that, which is I think appropriate. And if he

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Speaker 14: were to back away here and not really do anything meaningful,

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Speaker 14: I think that would whatever program he's made on restoring

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Speaker 14: American deterrence would be would be undermined.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. I also think politically and I

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Speaker 1: don't think that ought to be the primary consideration, but

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Speaker 1: it's never not a consideration. If he backs away, he's

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Speaker 1: basically becoming Barack Obama two point zero. And he spent

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Speaker 1: the last ten years announcing the JCPOA, and the JCPOA

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Speaker 1: deserve to be denounced. But I don't know that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't end up in the pile with Obama and Biden

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Speaker 1: if he backs away. Now, break Hume.

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Speaker 14: I think that's exactly right. I think that's what he

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Speaker 14: has to worry about. That they did some real damage

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01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 14: to our deterrent posture and he's maybe rebuilding it. But

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Speaker 14: you can't start backing away from things and expect that's going.

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Speaker 5: To do that.

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Speaker 1: I hope he hears that. Second thing I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you have, Ben, now is the big news today.

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Speaker 1: The Washington Post is down. They're down another three hundred

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Speaker 1: to four hundred people. It is my policy I don't

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: talk about people that I worked for before, and I

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01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: worked for the Post for a good decade. It was

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01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: a fun time. So I don't have anything but nice

1313
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: things to say about Fred Hyatt and Ruth Marcus and

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01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: fred Ryan. But what do you think that tells us

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Speaker 1: about the news business now, Brett.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think he's suffering the fate of a great

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Speaker 14: many newspapers. It's a tough business to be in now.

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01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 14: People have a multitude of sources from which to get news.

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01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 14: They're a customed now to read online. You can subscribe

1320
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 14: to newspapers for any publication you want to. There's a

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 14: multitude of other sources of news, from podcasts and newsletters

1322
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 14: to individuals who have sort of hung out their shingle

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01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 14: on the internet. So it's a tough, tough environment. The

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Speaker 14: classified ad business, which was so sustaining to newspapers for

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01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 14: so long, has petered out to a great extent because

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Speaker 14: in large part because of the Internet. So it's a

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Speaker 14: very hard business. I would add to that that in

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Speaker 14: its heyday, over the last thirty or forty years of

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01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 14: Washington longer, I guess the Washington Post was an extraordinarily readable,

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 14: lively newspaper. I mean, I had a lot of disagreements

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Speaker 14: with there, with the viewpoints that they took as a newspaper,

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Speaker 14: but it was fun to read. It had a great

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 14: sports section that's largely deteriorated away now. It's covering a

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Speaker 14: lot of things that used to cover with their own

1335
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 14: reporters used to now covering with wire copy. So it's

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Speaker 14: a and I think it's just an economically difficult called

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01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 14: environment to operate a newspaper. And the New York Times

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 14: and the Wall Street Journal have succeeded in this environment

1339
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 14: at times. Is a particularly good example because it's done

1340
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 14: it with a lot of lot of gimmicky things. You know,

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01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 14: it's got wordle it's got various columns and recipes and

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 14: things that people are paying up for. I have a

1343
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 14: subscription to The New York Times cause I feel the

1344
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 14: need to read it every day, but I can't get

1345
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 14: the crossword puzzle without paying extra. Sometimes it's developed sources

1346
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 14: of revenue that have sustained it, and people all over

1347
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 14: the country subscribe to it. It isn't easy to be

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 14: a national newspaper these days. You know, you need a

1349
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 14: big reputation for that, and the Post I think aspired

1350
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 14: to do that, but I think in this particular environment

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01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 14: it's not doing it very well.

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Speaker 1: You know, when Mike and Jim Vanda Hay left the

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01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: Post and started Politico, that was sort of the moment.

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01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: I think that the Post missed. I wasn't working for

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: them at that moment, but Mike Allen and Jim Van

1356
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Day went over and started no overhead Washington Post, you know,

1357
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: a mini post, and they covered politics exclusively, and they

1358
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 1: did it well and they did it deep. Now Politico

1359
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: has gone off a left cliff, but in its place,

1360
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: there's now Axios, and there's punch Bowl, and there's Semaphore

1361
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: and there are a dozen different things. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What you used to do with Jack Anderson was unique,

1363
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: just like Drew Pearson was unique. People wanted to know

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: what was going on inside of the Beltway, and you

1365
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: grew up there, so you knew. And Jack Anderson lived

1366
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: there his whole life, so he knew, but no one

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01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: out in the country knew. Now you can find out

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01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: about what's going on in Washington, DC, as you said,

1369
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: one hundred different places. Do you happen to listen to

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 1: the Ruthless podcast, Britt.

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Speaker 14: I do, and I enjoy it very much. And it's

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01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 14: kind of a It's a rollicking podcast, to be sure,

1373
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,440
Speaker 14: and it's fun to listen to. It's not serious deep reporting,

1374
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 14: but it's a bunch of smart guys, and you know,

1375
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 14: with a sense of humor, giving you a little insight

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01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 14: into how they see things in Washington on the Post.

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 14: You know, Hugh, the Post used to be fun, you know.

1378
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 14: The style section was kind of a trendsetter at the time,

1379
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 14: uh and used to be full of lively, sometimes gossipy, stuffed.

1380
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 14: It was fun to read. In recent years, it's been

1381
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 14: kind of a dreary never Trump, a drum beat of

1382
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 14: a newspaper, not very fun to read. And a lot

1383
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 14: of the reporting they did, I think, you know, particularly

1384
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,719
Speaker 14: on Trump, didn't turn out very well. You know, they've

1385
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 14: chased the Russia collusion fiasco right down the rabbit hole,

1386
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 14: ended up with nothing, so that, you know, those things

1387
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Speaker 14: I think all contributed.

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Speaker 1: So now Fox News has got Foxnews dot Com. I

1389
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: reade a column for it a couple of times a week,

1390
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: and its reach is massive. It's it's it's up there

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01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: with any other like the New York Times website or

1392
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal website at which is part, of course,

1393
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: the Fox Court. I don't know that any I don't

1394
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: know that anyone will take over the Post and try

1395
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: and revive it. I just can't imagine that happening, can you.

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Speaker 14: It looks this looks like the death rattle to me, Hugh,

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 14: it really does. It makes me sad. I mean, I

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01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 14: you know, I subscribe to the Post as a Washington

1399
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 14: you and I grew up there. I don't live there anymore,

1400
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 14: but I grew up there. Uh you know. I root

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 14: for the Washington teams and so on. And one of

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01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 14: the reasons why I got the paper was, you know,

1403
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 14: I'm at the age where my friends and contemporaries are dying,

1404
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 14: and I'd like to be able to know about that,

1405
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 14: because you don't always hear about it when you're a

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 14: thousand miles away, as I am. And I got the

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01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 14: Post in part to read the obit page. The obit

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 14: page is ridiculous, uh it. It'll give you a musician

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01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 14: from Zambia, long obit, somebody who never heard of and

1410
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 14: never intend to and whose music will never hear. But

1411
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 14: local people die, people you might know. They got to

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 14: have a paid notice or nothing. That's just.

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Speaker 1: People who spent decades on the hill don't get an

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: obit anymore. In The Washington Post, I noted that it's

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: the only critique I'm going to give. I will know

1416
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: the comics section. I have no idea if it exists,

1417
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: because I only took it digitally for years, I doubt

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01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: it very much whether Jack Anderson could even ask to

1419
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: be on the comics page. But I do regret losing

1420
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: the likes whoever is the modern Thomas Boswell, because they're

1421
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: they were a great sports call and I didn't live

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: there anywhere near as long as you have lived there,

1423
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't like their teams. I'm a Cleveland guy,

1424
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: but they had great sports coverage and that was that

1425
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: was shuttered. Today they're out of the sports business. It's

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Speaker 1: almost unthinkable.

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Speaker 14: I don't and I think if you're if you're if

1428
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 14: you're trying to revive that newspaper and you're not going

1429
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 14: to cover the local sports teams, I don't. I mean,

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01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 14: that's one of the things i'd go there for. I'm

1431
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 14: a I'm an ardent fan of the Washington Redskins now

1432
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 14: Commanders and have been somemselves a little boy, and one

1433
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 14: of the reasons I still keep my subscription to the

1434
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 14: Post is to catch up on the team. And if

1435
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 14: they've killed that, then I you know, I'll probably just

1436
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 14: cancel my subscription because.

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Speaker 1: That's a uh, that's a restaurant Redskins commander's fan, Brett,

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Browns fan. I know what that's like. But

1439
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: that's a that's a rough way to go. And are

1440
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:15,839
Speaker 1: you hopeful?

1441
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've always had a lot of sympathy for Browns

1442
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 14: fans because that's one of those you know. It was

1443
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 14: one of the original teams of the NFL, and a

1444
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 14: great team for many years and had Jim Brown and

1445
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 14: Paul Brown and great stars through the years, and and uh,

1446
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 14: and to see them struggling in a way they have

1447
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 14: in recent years has been painful for me, just as

1448
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 14: a simple just as one sympathetic to its fans.

1449
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: Did you turn the corner? Did you become a Nationals

1450
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: fan after the Senators folded up in there and bad

1451
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,799
Speaker 1: the O's for a long time? They covered the o's greatly,

1452
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: But did you become a Nationals guy.

1453
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 14: When the Senator? I was a Senators fan and where

1454
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 14: I lived in Washington, Uh, you could walk. It was

1455
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 14: a long walk, but you could walk to the old

1456
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 14: Griffith Stadium and get in for a very little month

1457
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 14: and sit in the bleachers and watch them. When I

1458
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 14: was an ardent fan of the way, they were always

1459
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 14: a weak team. I mean they was saying, you know,

1460
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 14: Washington first, and war first and peace and last in

1461
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 14: the American League was start true, but I was so.

1462
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 14: But it was an American League franchise. So when they

1463
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 14: pulled out, they then they had the expansion nets, and

1464
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 14: they were an American League franchise. And when they went away,

1465
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 14: and we didn't have a team for years, and I

1466
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 14: was able to some extent to transform my allegiance to

1467
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 14: the Baltimore Oyols. Used to go up there and go

1468
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 14: to games and enjoyed going to the games in that

1469
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 14: beautiful new ballpark that I say, knew it's been there

1470
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 14: for years, but it seems new to me. And and

1471
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 14: when the Nationals came that that was a net, that

1472
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 14: was a net that was a National League team, and

1473
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 14: I was a customer to seeing teams playing my team

1474
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 14: playing against American League opponents, so the draw wasn't as great.

1475
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 14: But then they won the World Series. I was rooting

1476
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 14: for them then. But they're not in my heart the

1477
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 14: way the old Senators were, and even the way that

1478
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 14: some extends the Oils were.

1479
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: That is not exactly but very similar. I don't care

1480
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: about the Nationals a lick because I grew up watching

1481
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: the American League. I'm an Indians fan, now Guardians fan,

1482
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: like the Redskins. They've changed their name to the Commanders

1483
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: into the Guardians. But I'm still an American League guy.

1484
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter as much to the youngs because

1485
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: of interleague play. But to you and to me, there's

1486
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: only one interleague play a year until we were fifty

1487
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: or so, and then they started the It never caught on.

1488
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: I've never become a national fan unless they come to

1489
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: the American League. I don't know anything about them. So

1490
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: let me close up this way. Byelines. I have long

1491
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: been of the opinion that the byeline is now the

1492
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: product that not the platform, but the byeline that George

1493
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: will and Charles Crodhammer and Jack Anderson when he was working,

1494
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: people wanted to read particular individuals because they were great

1495
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: at what they did. Sally Quinn, you mentioned the style section.

1496
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: Is that any way back for American media to go

1497
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: with the byeland being the brand again?

1498
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 14: Well, I think you can. If you're good, you can

1499
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,799
Speaker 14: still develop a following. In fact, what you're seeing is journalists,

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01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 14: you heard me say earlier, hanging out a shingle and

1501
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 14: trying on the strength of their own byline if you

1502
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 14: will to attract an audience and make a living, and

1503
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 14: of course, in a country as large as America is now,

1504
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 14: if you can get yourself out there, as any number

1505
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 14: of people are now doing, you become the product and

1506
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 14: your byline is the thing. So I do think as possible.

1507
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 14: I'm not sure you can sustain newspapers with it, but

1508
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 14: I think individuals are proven that you can, and a

1509
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 14: lot of them are trying. I mean, look at Substack.

1510
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 14: It's an absolute warn of all these individuals who think

1511
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 14: they've got something to say and they're trying to make

1512
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 14: a living doing it.

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: Almost every day I listen to commentary podcast which has

1514
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: four or five very smart people on it. Ruthless is

1515
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: a rollicking I love that way. I'm going to use that.

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Speaker 1: They are a rollicking good time three times a week

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01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: and they know they hell, they actually know of which

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,719
Speaker 1: they speak. You covered the OLL for a long time.

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01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: A lot of the people that I hear reporting from

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01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: the are shouting questions at legislators like Marjorie Taylor Green

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01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: or AOC who are marginal to the actual discussion of

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: what's getting done and therefore not very illuminating. They're looking

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: for viral, not for the information. I don't know that

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01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: anyone really covers the Hill well other than our friends

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01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: at punch Bowl. They do a pretty good job of it.

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01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 1: Do you have anyone else that covers it besides Ruthless

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01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: and punch Bowl?

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Speaker 14: No, I don't really, and I don't know. I like, Actually,

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01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 14: I think our corresponds a Fox do a pretty good

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01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 14: job of covering the Hill. But it's not like it

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 14: used to be. I can remember we used to cover

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01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,560
Speaker 14: when I was at ABC News and I covered the

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01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 14: Hill for eleven years. We used to cover budget hearings

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01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 14: and we didn't cover them live, but I would be

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01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 14: doing you know, tape packages on the evening news about

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 14: budget hearings and budget markups and they're, you know, they're

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 14: pretty tedious. But we really did cover the Hill, and

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01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 14: we had a correspondent in the House and a carspond

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01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 14: in the Senate. Now we have you know, corresponds come

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 14: and go up there, and we have people who are

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 14: off air who work it. But it's not like it

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01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 14: used to be, even within an hour newscast at.

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01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: Night, even with all day newscasts. See Span has not

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01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 1: replaced Fox because Fox has a point of view that

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: comes into the play at various times on the panel

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01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: and things like that, but for deep dives into For example,

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01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: I open with Senator Thun today the program and we

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: talked about the Department of Homeland Security funding bill, and

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01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting thing to me. But only radio

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01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: has enough time and cable has enough time to actually

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01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: dive in to an immigration comprehensive immigration reform bill. Other people,

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01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't do it when you're anchoring special report,

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01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: Brett can't do it. It takes forever to do even

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01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: a introduction to it.

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Speaker 14: That's true. And I think it's one of the things

1556
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 14: that's challenging about this environment is and we worry people

1557
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 14: are not going to be very well informed if we

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01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 14: can't find a medium in which to convey this stuff.

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01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 14: And when you see these newspapers dying out, it's concerning

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01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:11,440
Speaker 14: in that way. In particular.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me let me conclude by asking you about

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01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: I thought I had seen everything, having worked for Nixon

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01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: in exile and then Reagan in the in the Reagan years,

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01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: and then going back and forth between DC. But of

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01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: course he's a very different, uh, sort of almost otherworldly figure.

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01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: In politics. He's not of anything from which I'm used to.

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01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: Is there any recreating him or is he a genuine

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01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: sort of one off.

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Speaker 14: He's a one off in my opinion. There's never been

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Speaker 14: a politician, a successful politician I know of like him,

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01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 14: And I think one of the great failures of journalism

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 14: in this age has been a failure to get it

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01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 14: about what he is and it, you know, people have

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 14: been so mesmerized by his personality, viewed by so many

1577
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 14: is obnoxious and abrasive, and viewed by many, nearly a

1578
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 14: huge majority of journalists as an absolute rascal who should

1579
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,799
Speaker 14: not be treated as anything other than that at all times.

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01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 14: There has been a great failure there. I think he's

1581
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 14: a very hard man to understand, fully because he's so

1582
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 14: different from every other politician. And I think he's a

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01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 14: man who has been a bold and in many respects

1584
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 14: an exceptionally effective leader. But his accomplishments are less visible

1585
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 14: to people because of his personality and because of his style.

1586
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 14: You know, you look at him, and people look at

1587
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 14: the things he's doing at the White House, and even

1588
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 14: indeed the way he decorated his apartment in New York,

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01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 14: and they think the man's life is an absolute festival

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01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 14: of bad taste and braggadocia and exaggeration and all the

1591
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 14: rest of it. And there's a case to be made

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 14: for all that. The problem is, however, that if you

1593
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 14: do if you look at that stuff, they're mesmerized by it.

1594
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 14: You fail to get what's really going on with.

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Speaker 1: Him, and that when history gets around to writing the books,

1596
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: the books go on read and it becomes a paragraph

1597
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: in Wikipedia. He's going to be the guy who took

1598
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: out the Iranian nuclear program and maybe more maybe the regime.

1599
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's going to reach some

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01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: sort of understanding Reji that leaves Taiwan free. I hope so.

1601
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: But he's a very significant national security president along the

1602
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: lines of hw as we were talking about. And when

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01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,799
Speaker 1: you compare him to, for example, President Obama, there's nothing

1604
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: there on the Obama side of the ledger. I'm not

1605
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: being critical of him, I'm being objective. He didn't get

1606
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 1: anything done that has lasted other than Obamacare, and that's

1607
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: a mess. Correct me if I'm wrong for you.

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01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 14: Oh, I think he's the most overrated recent president of

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01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 14: our time. An enormously talented politician, tremendously likable. I think,

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 14: even though I disagree with a lot of his policies,

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01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 14: I can see the man's strengths. This is the thing

1612
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 14: with Trump. Too many people look at the man and

1613
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 14: they're mesmerized by the outward appearances. They're mesmerized by the

1614
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 14: excesses and the braggadocia and all the exaggerations, and they

1615
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 14: failed to see the achievements.

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01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Okay, bonus question, going way back to Nixon? What was

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01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 1: your take? What is Anderson and your take on Nixon

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01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: at the end there? Because the press dras Trump like

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01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: it treated Nixon, and I think they missed a lot

1620
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: of Nixon as a result.

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01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 14: I think that may be true. I tell you, we

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01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 14: were all a little bit afraid of him. We remember

1623
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 14: the stuff that came out when the so called White

1624
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 14: House horrors were revealed in the course of Watergate. I

1625
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 14: did a story for Jack Anderson that broke before Watergate.

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01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 14: It was a much lesser deal about the effort to

1627
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 14: fix the IT T any trust cases, and it wreaked

1628
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 14: of corruption, and indeed it was corrupt. The White House

1629
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 14: had bullied the Justice Department into going easy on in

1630
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 14: IT and T, which was a big conglomerate very successful

1631
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 14: at the time, and they were trying to any trust.

1632
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 14: Division of the Justice Department been trying to break it up,

1633
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 14: and the Knixon administration was trying to put the fix in.

1634
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 14: It was not this was not a good thing.

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01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: And we did took down Henry Peterson, didn't it, did

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: your story taking out.

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01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 14: Henry Peterson took down Richard Kleindeast that's ad East. Yeah, Well,

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01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 14: Tiny's pleaded something else, but he was guilty in that,

1639
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 14: and he'd been involved in that, and he'd been pressured

1640
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 14: by John Elickman in the White House and so on. So,

1641
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 14: you know, we thought Nixon was a dark force. I

1642
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 14: always did, and only you know, and I certainly appreciated

1643
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 14: and came to understand his foreign policy skills, which were manifold,

1644
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 14: but at the time he seemed he was kind of

1645
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 14: an investigative reporter's dream at the time, That's what I

1646
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 14: was doing.

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01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. The friendship between Donald Trump and Richard Nixon, which

1648
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: developed after the former president moved back to New York

1649
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty has always fascinated me. I've talked to

1650
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: President Trump about it a couple of times. It just

1651
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: there could be more different dirt, poor your Belinda California

1652
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: Whittier College versus developer pen New York Glitz, Ritz Glamour.

1653
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: They could not be more different, but they operate I

1654
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: think in very similar ways when it comes to the

1655
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: national security of the United States. They both don't want

1656
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: to be predictable, and I think they've achieved that pretty

1657
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 1: last word to you.

1658
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think Trump does it on instinct. Nixon probably

1659
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:35,959
Speaker 14: did it on intellect.

1660
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's well said, Uh, Brittany, great fun talking to you.

1661
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: Watch out for the iguanas falling from the sky down

1662
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: there in South Florida. I hope I see you in

1663
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: the Beltway against soon.

1664
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 14: Thank you, Hugh, It's always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.