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Speaker 1: we're joined by Minnesota Congressman Pete Stauber. Congressman Stabber, We're

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Speaker 1: so excited to get you on the show. And what

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Speaker 1: an appropriate time. There's a lot going on in your

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls. Were you surprised that he dropped out and

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Speaker 1: you ultimately think that maybe he ends up resigning because

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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on, like I said, in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: Well, to answer your question, and by the way, Laura,

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Speaker 2: it actually surprised me because I've known Tim Walls for

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Speaker 3: And and for him to be told to.

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Speaker 2: Step down and then, you know, take that suggestion because

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Speaker 2: he knew he wasn't gonna win reelection, But it did

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Speaker 2: pressure of the fraud. It's it's it falls under his watch.

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Speaker 2: He's responsible. And the oversight hearing yesterday really showed the

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Speaker 3: With the pressure he had on him.

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Speaker 2: He was he was pressured, you know, obviously by our

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Speaker 3: I think they could see the.

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Speaker 2: Writing on the wall because I tell you what, Laura,

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Speaker 3: We're not going to let it fall. Well.

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Speaker 1: I know they're a lot of Minnesota's happy to hear

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Speaker 4: It's interesting, though, because yeah, he was getting a lot

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Speaker 1: I would say, Congressman, he probably got pressure from the

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Speaker 1: I mean, God only knows how his people have suffered.

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Speaker 1: But the Democrats, I think, are probably looking at Tim

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Speaker 1: So he probably was getting pressure from then as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you actually ever see him resigning or is his

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Speaker 2: I think that as the fraud investigation continues and moves forward,

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Speaker 2: About half of Minnesota's federal money is Medicaid eighteen billion dollars,

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Speaker 2: They were supposed to feed hungry children, never did. They

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Speaker 3: And then you look at the whistleblowers, the number.

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Speaker 2: Every swing state went to President Trump, the popular vote

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Speaker 2: Nothing is better in the state of Minnesota under walls nothing,

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Speaker 2: We have so many opportunities in the state of Minnesota

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Speaker 4: But that's it, and that's.

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Speaker 1: What's frustrating, I think to so many people. You know,

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Speaker 4: You grow great people there, Congressman, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: But I think the frustration so many people have is

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Speaker 1: There were so many people within Minnesota for years who

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Speaker 1: that one of the big reasons that this nothing was

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Speaker 1: No, if you're doing something wrong in the United States

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Speaker 1: None of that should have a factor in it at all.

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Speaker 2: The fraud was so big and is so big that

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Speaker 2: And so I will just tell you that the Attorney

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Speaker 3: It didn't matter where you came from.

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Speaker 2: What you look like, the religion you practiced, if you

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Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is because look at

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Speaker 3: So we're going to We're going to push for that.

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Speaker 2: We want to be transparent, we want accountability, and that's

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Speaker 2: what that oversight hearing was, Laura, And there's going.

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Speaker 3: To be more of that, right There's going to be

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Speaker 2: The Attorney General from Minnesota, Keith Ellison, former member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: perhaps Congressman, the attorney general of your state was too

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Speaker 3: Well, so Laura, think about this.

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Speaker 2: You have a valid voter at Minnesota can vouch for

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Speaker 2: it's not racist or sexist to ask for voter ID.

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Speaker 3: The vast majority of people have it.

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Speaker 4: But people are going to start feeling it right now now.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that Democrats, of course, are talking about

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Speaker 3: Well, Laura, look at this, the One Big Beautiful Bill.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you, Laura, we have more coming.

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Speaker 2: And I feel very blessed to, you know, be serving

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Speaker 1: I always say that it just to be alive right

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Speaker 1: But the way you have heard leadership in your state talk,

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Speaker 1: So what would you say to the ICE agents out there,

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Speaker 2: Well, Laura, I spent twenty three years as a police officer.

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Speaker 3: These men go out and serve our country.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by founder of xx x y Athletics.

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Speaker 1: She's been on with us before, Jennifer. Say, Jennifer, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: I want to jump right in because there are two

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Speaker 1: big cases going to the Supreme Court involving women's sports,

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Speaker 1: and we thought who better to talk to, of course

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Speaker 1: than you, because your group just launched an ad campaign

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Speaker 1: in anticipation of the Supreme Court cases next week. So

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Speaker 1: give us a little background insight into it and why

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Speaker 1: you guys launch the ad campaign.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So I'll start with the cases. There's two cases launching.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they're very similar in that both involved the

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Speaker 6: protection of women's sports and center around two states, Idaho

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Speaker 6: and West Virginia, that have laws on the books protecting

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Speaker 6: women's sports. And there are two males in each of

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Speaker 6: those states, one in each of those states challenging those laws.

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Speaker 6: There's twenty seven states that have laws on the books

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Speaker 6: protecting women's sports.

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Speaker 5: So these cases are so important.

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Speaker 6: If we lose, it really means that states are no

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Speaker 6: longer permitted to have these laws on the books. Now,

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Speaker 6: I will clarify one point though, there are twenty three

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Speaker 6: states that allow boys to compete in girls' sports, states

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Speaker 6: like California and Washington that will not change no matter

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Speaker 6: what the decision in these cases is because it allows

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Speaker 6: the states to essentially make the decision. And we just

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Speaker 6: really wanted to make the point of what a momentous

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Speaker 6: moment this is.

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Speaker 5: This is so important that the justices.

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Speaker 6: Come down on the right side here so that women

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Speaker 6: have their own sports and spaces. Let's be clear, And

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Speaker 6: essentially it's really about is there such a thing as

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Speaker 6: biological sex? You know, can men just opt into the

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Speaker 6: category of women and take opportunities from girls and women,

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Speaker 6: which is what has been happening for the last gosh,

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Speaker 6: who knows how many years. So it's really momentous. But

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Speaker 6: the fight will not be over at the end of

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Speaker 6: these Supreme Court cases because we still have those twenty

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Speaker 6: three states that allow boys to compete in girls' sports.

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Speaker 5: So the fight will continue.

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Speaker 6: We need to change the cultural conversation, and that's really

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Speaker 6: to bring it full circle. What I think the brand

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Speaker 6: XXXY Athletics can do is really change the cultural conversation

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Speaker 6: and put the eyes on the girls. You know, the

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Speaker 6: world is telling let's pay attention to these boys. Oh,

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Speaker 6: these poor boys, Look at what they're missing out on. No,

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Speaker 6: they're boys, they can compete in the boys category. Let's

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Speaker 6: look at what the girls are losing out on. And

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Speaker 6: it's not just team bursts and trophies. Right. I did

518
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Speaker 6: sports growing up. I was a national team competitive gymnast.

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Speaker 6: It's everything you will become. It's learning to persevere. It's

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Speaker 6: I attribute sports to the person that I am, the

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Speaker 6: perseverance that I have. We can't take that away from girls.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, look, as the mom of a daughter myself,

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Speaker 1: I am so in favor of what you guys are

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Speaker 1: advocating for, and I think there are so many people

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Speaker 1: who are behind you, so please continue. It is shocking

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Speaker 1: the twenty three states allow this to happen and just

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Speaker 1: kind of turn a blind eye to the way it

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Speaker 1: damages girls, women their trajectory and life. I played sports

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Speaker 1: my entire life growing up. I still participate in things

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Speaker 1: like CrossFit and triathlons. And there's a reason, Jennifer, that

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Speaker 1: there's a men's category and a women's category in a triathlon,

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Speaker 1: for example.

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Speaker 4: It's so basic, it's so obvious.

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Speaker 1: Does it give you pause though, to think about the

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Speaker 1: fact that this is going to the Supreme Court and

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Speaker 1: we did see a Supreme Court justice not too long

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Speaker 1: ago not able to define what a woman is, because

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of us were kind of flabbergasted

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Speaker 1: by that. But I guess the hope is that the

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Speaker 1: rest of the justices have a little sense of what

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Speaker 1: a woman is and the chromosomes as it exists xxxy

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Speaker 1: in the brand of course that you have.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you highlight a really great point, which

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Speaker 6: is it's not just women's rights that are at stake here,

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Speaker 6: which of course they are, but it's material reality. Are

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Speaker 6: we going to live in a world where we acknowledge

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Speaker 6: the truth, which is that there are two sexes, There

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Speaker 6: are men and women, and they are different, and women

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Speaker 6: deserve their own sports and spaces, which is what Title

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Speaker 6: nine established in nineteen seventy two. Or are we going

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Speaker 6: to pretend that woman is a category you can opt into?

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Speaker 6: And what's so alarming to me is if.

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Speaker 5: We'll buy that that.

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Speaker 6: Fundamental lie, what won't we buy right? I mean, any

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Speaker 6: lie is possible at that point. And so I really

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Speaker 6: view this as a fight for material reality.

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Speaker 5: Yes, of course it's.

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Speaker 6: A fight for our daughters and women's rights more broadly,

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Speaker 6: but it really.

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Speaker 5: Is a fight for what is true and what is real.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the other side, the side that says

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Speaker 6: boys can be girls. If they just say they are,

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Speaker 6: they've sort of owned the cultural conversation, which is why

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Speaker 6: we are where we are, And they've trained our eyes

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Speaker 6: on these boys.

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Speaker 5: Oh these poor boys.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the ACLU has a video out right now.

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Speaker 6: They're representing the other you know, the males who want

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Speaker 6: to compete in women's sports in these cases, and it's

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Speaker 6: just this like Maudlin piece about oh this poor boy

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Speaker 6: he's just a country girl and look what he's been denied.

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Speaker 6: And it's like, is anybody talking about the girls? Why

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Speaker 6: don't we care about the girls? And so that's been

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Speaker 6: my mission is to say, let's look at the girls

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Speaker 6: and what is at stake for them and what they

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Speaker 6: can lose if this goes the wrong way.

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Speaker 5: And that's what the ad, which we call Backwards, focuses on.

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Speaker 6: And it shows young women playing sports and in reverse essentially,

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Speaker 6: and it says, you know, we can't go backwards at

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Speaker 6: this point in time. Women like us have fought too

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Speaker 6: hard and too long for equal opportunity, and we're not

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Speaker 6: going to give that up.

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Speaker 5: Because if you boys say.

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Speaker 6: I want to compete in women's sports, and you know what,

585
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Speaker 6: they're not being denied any opportunity they can compete in boys.

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Speaker 5: It's that simple there, male.

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Speaker 4: It's it's just it's so obvious.

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe one of the best examples as

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Speaker 1: how to crowd crazy. So much of this is comes

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Speaker 1: from the President and himself, Jennifer, and you saw.

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Speaker 4: Him do it earlier this week. I think he was.

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Speaker 1: He was at an event in DC and he says,

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Speaker 1: my wife hates when I do this, and it's about

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Speaker 1: the weightlifters, right, and he's like, oh, I can't, I

595
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Speaker 1: can't get it up. He does the whole skit, right,

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Speaker 1: and then the guy who's like, oh, I've never never

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Speaker 1: really looked a weights before, and he goes bing. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny when the president does it, And of course,

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Speaker 1: or is he likes to get a laugh out of it,

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Speaker 1: but he's pointing out what is so obvious that there

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Speaker 1: are profound differences in the strength and the physical makeup

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Speaker 1: the biology of.

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Speaker 4: Women and men.

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Speaker 1: And it's so crazy that we found ourselves in this

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Speaker 1: space in America where somehow we're validating men competing against women.

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Speaker 1: That to me is I think, you know, I get that.

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Speaker 1: Malania doesn't love it, and I understand. She says, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's not presidential, but it's so funny because it's so

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Speaker 1: true and everyone can see it.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what's amazing about it is it is true

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Speaker 6: and everybody knows it, and yet they've been willing to

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Speaker 6: spew this nonsense because the activists told them they had to.

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Speaker 6: And if you stand up and you say a very

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Speaker 6: basic thing, there are men and there are women, and

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Speaker 6: men are stronger and faster than women and girls, you

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Speaker 6: get smeared as a bigot.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look what happened just a few months ago.

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Speaker 6: A professional soccer player named Elizabeth Eddie wrote an op

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Speaker 6: ed in The New York Post saying we need protections

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Speaker 6: in women's soccer, and she was smeared by our own

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Speaker 6: teammates in a national press conference as a bigot and

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Speaker 6: a quote unquote transphobe. So you know, if you think

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Speaker 6: that's not discouraging for people who are sitting on the

624
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Speaker 6: sidelines and know this is ridiculous, but are.

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Speaker 5: Like, I'll just wait for somebody else to do it.

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Speaker 5: Of course it's discouraging.

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Speaker 6: Look what happened to this poor young woman, and yet

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Speaker 6: she persists, so you know, thank goodness for her.

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Speaker 5: And I do think that this is a watershed moment.

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Speaker 6: I think that if the cases go our way, which

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Speaker 6: is to say that these states can have these laws

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Speaker 6: on the books and girls deserve their own sports, I

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Speaker 6: think more people will be encouraged to stand up and

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Speaker 6: say what they know.

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Speaker 5: All the polls say the vast majority.

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Speaker 6: Of Americans agree with us on the left and the right,

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Speaker 6: even in California. But everybody's too afraid because you really

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Speaker 6: do get a good beating when you say it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, you get best, no, And believe me,

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Speaker 1: no one knows that better than those of us are

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Speaker 1: the last same trun I know, yeah, totally. Once you

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Speaker 1: get labeled that way, it's it's a little scary to

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Speaker 1: think that that can happen.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Once it happens and you're like, oh, so what so

646
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Speaker 1: a couple of people say this, I know who I am.

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Speaker 1: I know that's not true. The people who matter, who

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Speaker 1: know me, know none of that is true. And I

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Speaker 1: think the majority of people understand exactly what that is.

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Speaker 1: You can't worry about what people are going to say.

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Speaker 1: You can't live your life like that. You have to

652
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Speaker 1: do what's right and what you know in your heart

653
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Speaker 1: is right. And I'm grateful as well for people standing

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Speaker 1: up and saying the right things. What is it when

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Speaker 1: it relates to these two cases, Idaho and West Virginia?

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Speaker 1: What do you see as the strongest arguments in favor

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Speaker 1: of upholding the law in favor of you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of the justices weighing in on this on your side?

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Speaker 6: On my side, well, I'm not a lawyer, so I

660
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Speaker 6: our side, Yes, I thought on the other side, I'd say,

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Speaker 6: of the side of reality, let's let's be clear. You know,

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Speaker 6: I think the strongest argument is the truth here that

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Speaker 6: men and women are different, and equal opportunity means that

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Speaker 6: women must women and girls must have their own sports

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Speaker 6: and ultimately spaces.

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Speaker 5: That to me is the strongest argument. I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to say that's a legal argument, because I don't.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a lawyer, like I said, but I think,

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Speaker 6: as with most things, the truth is the strongest argument. Now,

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Speaker 6: the other side will argue that these men who claim

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Speaker 6: to be women are being denied equal protection under the law.

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Speaker 5: But that isn't the case.

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Speaker 6: They can compete in men's They have every opportunity to

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Speaker 6: still compete. No one is denying them the opportunity to compete.

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Speaker 6: And I think we're all we if we go back

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Speaker 6: to nineteen seventy two when this law was established Title Mind,

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Speaker 6: which was about protection for women in the educ girls

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Speaker 6: and women in the education system, but it is most

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Speaker 6: famous for the sports clause. No one in their right

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Speaker 6: mind thinks that that legislation was meant to include gender

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Speaker 6: identity or what you think you are.

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Speaker 5: Everybody in the world that.

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Speaker 6: Has any semblance of sanity knows that it was about

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Speaker 6: biological sex. But the other side is now claiming that

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Speaker 6: female includes men who think they're women, and it's such

686
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Speaker 6: an absurd argument. So I think the best defense is

687
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Speaker 6: the truth. There are two sexes, that is all. There

688
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Speaker 6: are men and there are women, and women must have

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Speaker 6: their own sports and spaces if they are going to

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Speaker 6: be afforded opportunity on par with men.

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Speaker 5: That no woman. You know this as well as I do.

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Speaker 6: No girl, no woman is ever going to make the team.

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Speaker 6: If suddenly the women's category is POORUS and men can

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Speaker 6: just claim their way into it.

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Speaker 5: That's it women's sports.

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Speaker 1: You talk about women's soccer, About Elizabeth Eddie, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure it was.

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Speaker 4: There was like a high school boys.

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Speaker 1: Team who plays the US women's soccer team. These are

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Speaker 1: professional athletes who are Olympians, and the boys team just

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Speaker 1: destroyed them, This high school boys team. I mean, like, hello, there,

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Speaker 1: you know, we know what it is and what it

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Speaker 1: would be.

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Speaker 6: There's so many examples of it. I mean it, you know,

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Speaker 6: and any given Olympic year, the woman that stands atop

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Speaker 6: the podium for any track and field speed event or

707
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Speaker 6: jumping event could be beat by a thousand high school

708
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Speaker 6: boys total country, not even exceptional high school boys necessarily.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure you maybe didn't watch it, but

710
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Speaker 6: paid attention to the recent Battle of the Sexes match

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Speaker 6: with Sabolenka and the other guy ranked six hundred.

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Speaker 5: And seventy first.

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Speaker 6: Despite all the adjustments, he totally smoked her, and he's

714
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Speaker 6: ranked in the low six hundreds. I'm not sure what

715
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Speaker 6: they were getting at or what they were trying to prove.

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Speaker 6: Sabalka said in promoting the event that it's not there

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Speaker 6: for males to compete in women's sports, so who knows,

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Speaker 6: maybe that's.

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Speaker 5: What she was trying to prove.

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Speaker 6: But he killed her in straight sets, you know, and

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Speaker 6: the game was constructed to allow her, you know, to

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Speaker 6: kind of address the handicap right that women aren't as

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Speaker 6: fast or as strong, and he's still won an injured

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Speaker 6: six hundred and seventy first ranked male be up the

725
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Speaker 6: number one women's tennis playing the world, which is no

726
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Speaker 6: knock on her.

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Speaker 5: She's amazing.

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Speaker 6: I mean, she's incredibly fun to watch. She's a really

729
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Speaker 6: powerful player. But women can't compete with men.

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Speaker 5: It's just that simple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually, speaking of tennis, I took up tennis

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Speaker 1: about two years ago, and I've been playing against I

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Speaker 1: pride myself on being a great athlete and not that

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Speaker 1: I'm a professional Jennifer, but my whole life, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I played sports. So I've been playing against me versus

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Speaker 1: these two guys playing tennis that I play with at

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Speaker 1: our club. And I was like, oh, I've got this.

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Speaker 1: Do you know, I like fully have a planner fasci

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Speaker 1: itis issue. Now I'm like destroying myself to try and

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Speaker 1: play against these guys. I'm like, I gotta just admit whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's too much, but we're all trying out there. I

742
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Speaker 1: do want to say thank you for what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: You know, you joined us last April on this show,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of have taken up this challenge to

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Speaker 1: champ women, to be a voice for women your XXXY

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Speaker 1: Athletics brand. It's that's what you guys are all about.

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Speaker 1: I would love to check in with you on that

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Speaker 1: and just kind of see how it's been going for

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Speaker 1: you since you first came on with us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think we play a really unique role

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Speaker 6: in this movement and that you know, I'm a long

753
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Speaker 6: time brand executive. I was at Levi's for twenty three years.

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Speaker 6: I believe brands can influence the culture. And we've had

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Speaker 6: amazing activists in this space that are aligned with our position.

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Speaker 6: And these women come from the right and the left.

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Speaker 6: Let me be clear, but we don't have anyone until

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Speaker 6: this brand entered the chat that was trying to influence

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Speaker 6: the culture. We have people fighting for laws, legislation to

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Speaker 6: get the right candidates elected, but the cultural conversation is

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Speaker 6: where we lost ground. And so that's what I want

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Speaker 6: to I just it's really simple. I want to make

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Speaker 6: it cool to say men can't be women.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 6: I just want to make it cool and make it okay.

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Speaker 6: And there have been a lot of great cultural milestones

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Speaker 6: in the last six months. I mean, we had Elizabeth Eddie,

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Speaker 6: we had Sabolenka saying, yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 5: Men should be competing in women's sports. It's not fair.

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Speaker 5: She said it.

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Speaker 6: I'm Piers Morgan, Sophie Cunningham, the WNBA player who's the

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Speaker 6: most searched female athlete.

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Speaker 5: Of the year last year.

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Speaker 6: On Google she said, I think a good team of

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Speaker 6: middle school boys would be a WNBA team in basketball.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she said it point blank.

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Speaker 6: So there are these cultural milestones that are happening, and

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Speaker 6: I feel proud that we've been able to really influence

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Speaker 6: that and across the country at protests and track meets,

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Speaker 6: people are you wearing our gear to just make a

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Speaker 6: quiet but bold statement to say, you know what, I

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Speaker 6: believe in biological reality.

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Speaker 5: It's that simple.

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Speaker 6: So I'm just going to keep chipping away at the

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Speaker 6: cultural conversation. I'm going to let the lawyers do what

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Speaker 6: they do. But I think you know, the more moms

787
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Speaker 6: and the more daughters that are willing to wear this logo,

788
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Speaker 6: they can't bully us anymore. When we do that, they

789
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Speaker 6: think they're winning because they bully.

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Speaker 5: Us into silence.

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Speaker 6: And I'm just going to say, We're not going to

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Speaker 6: be silent. Wear the T shirts, stand up and say it.

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Speaker 6: Men can't be women.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 1: And it has nothing to do with supporting trans people.

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Speaker 1: In fact, one of the big voices on this who

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Speaker 1: has advocated to keep women's sports for women is Caitlyn Jenner,

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Speaker 1: who used to be Bruce Jenner, who was at one time.

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Speaker 1: Talk about an athlete, I mean the most impressive athlete

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Speaker 1: in the world, a decathlete that who does the ten

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Speaker 1: different disciplines in track and field and is considered to

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Speaker 1: be the best athlete.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 1: To have Caitlyn Jenner come out and say, yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is not right. This is not about you know, whether

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Speaker 1: or not you support trans people or you think that

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Speaker 1: that is right, or whatever it is you think about that,

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Speaker 1: it has no bearing on this. It's very basic. I

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Speaker 1: would say Caitlyn has been one of the big voices

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Speaker 1: as well to come out, and I mean it's hard

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Speaker 1: to ignore that. Whenever you have a person who used

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Speaker 1: to be Bruce now Caitlyn coming out and saying this, Jennifer,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to deny that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, reality isn't big a try. Let's just

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Speaker 6: be honest. We need to face the facts. They're not

816
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Speaker 6: complicated facts. We know them since probably you know ninth

817
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Speaker 6: grade biology. Men are faster and stronger. No amount of

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Speaker 6: hormones or puberty blockers change that. There is such a

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Speaker 6: thing as retained mal advantage, and it's greater than steroid

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Speaker 6: or performance enhancing drugs. I mean, obviously, Riley Gaines has

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Speaker 6: been the face of this movement ever since twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: two in those NCAA finals, and I think what she

823
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Speaker 6: does so well is she just speaks to it so simply,

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Speaker 6: it's really easy to go down a rabbit hole and

825
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Speaker 6: be convinced this is more complicated than it is. It's

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Speaker 6: not complicated, and Riley does that so beautifully. There's men

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Speaker 6: and there's women. That's it, and men are stronger. Now

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Speaker 6: can we move on exactly?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure there are people who are watching or

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Speaker 1: listening who want to get more involved.

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Speaker 4: What would you suggest? How can people get involved? How

832
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Speaker 4: can people make sure their voices are heard?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a few things.

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Speaker 6: So on January thirteenth, on the Supreme Court steps, these

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Speaker 6: oral arguments will be heard starting at ten am. On

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Speaker 6: the third sieve, there will be a rally on the

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Speaker 6: steps starting at ten thirty am, and there's gonna be

838
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Speaker 6: amazing speakers there. So if you're in the DC area,

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Speaker 6: you should definitely come to that. There's a great lineup

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Speaker 6: of speakers. I'll be there speaking, Riley will be there,

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Speaker 6: So that's one thing you can come to that. But

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, I really think the most important

843
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Speaker 6: thing is having those conversations on the ground in your

844
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Speaker 6: own community. Don't let your friends and neighbors bully you.

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Speaker 6: You know, they do it, they bully you, and you're silent,

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Speaker 6: and then there's this sort of manufactured consensus that happens

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Speaker 6: because people are afraid to say the truth and say

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Speaker 6: what they believe.

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Speaker 5: So I just encourage people to have those.

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Speaker 6: Hard conversations in their own community, because then we can't lose.

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Speaker 5: Put on the T shirt.

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Speaker 6: It's such a silly thing, Laura, but you wear the

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Speaker 6: T shirt and it sort of forces you into having

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Speaker 6: the conversation.

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Speaker 5: When I say the T shirt, I mean with our.

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Speaker 6: Logo, because people will come up to you and they

857
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Speaker 6: will ask you what it means, and it's a statement

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Speaker 6: of biological reality, and you can say, I believe girls

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Speaker 6: and women deserve their own sports and spaces, and it

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Speaker 6: prompts that hard conversation you might be afraid to have.

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Speaker 6: So go to the school board meeting, wear the T shirt,

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00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 6: don't let boys play on your daughter's soccer team. But

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Speaker 6: do the fight in your own community. I think that's

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Speaker 6: the most important thing.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jennifer, thank you for leading the charge on this.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back sharing info about next week with us.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone's going to pay very close attention to

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Speaker 1: what happens with these cases and keep up the fight.

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Speaker 1: We got your back. We're fighting right there beside you.

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Speaker 1: So Jennifer say thank you for joining us again.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me again.

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Speaker 1: All right to everybody at home. As always, make sure

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Speaker 1: you like, subscribe, share, and follow. We'll see you back

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Speaker 1: here next time for more of the right view and

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Speaker 1: mom back down.

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Speaker 4: May Therey no any way up.