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Speaker 2: College is a scam, everybody. You got to stop sending

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Speaker 1: I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade,

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Speaker 2: Here I am.

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Speaker 3: Lord, Use me.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 2: December eleventh, Blake, How you doing doing? Lovely? Doing lovely?

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Speaker 2: Love to hear that. We are honored on this program

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Speaker 2: Glenn Beck, can you hear us? Are we connected? I can?

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Speaker 2: How are you wonderful? Good to see you? Hell? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I am. We're so honored to have you, Glenn. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's I think it's fascinating, Glenn,

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Speaker 2: I really do. It's called in the it's called Torch.

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Speaker 3: You can just go to glennback dot com. It launches

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Speaker 3: on January fifth, and it's a new project of mine.

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Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson, he's in court today. Had digital hearings before.

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Speaker 2: any conviction would have to be them thrown out because

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Speaker 2: he was it was he buys the jury.

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Speaker 5: There's endless layers. You can have endless appeals on everything.

436
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Speaker 5: And the strategy that goes into that, Yeah, do you

437
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Speaker 5: want do you want him to look different, because that

438
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Speaker 5: will buy us the jury one way, bias them the

439
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Speaker 5: other way. The restraints, they can make any number of

440
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Speaker 5: motions on this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently the rationale for having him restrained is that,

442
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Speaker 2: you know, there if you look at the charging documents,

443
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Speaker 2: which again I recommend everybody just google it. You know,

444
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Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson, you know charging documents, they come right up.

445
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Speaker 2: And you know, there is a point at which his

446
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Speaker 2: parents call Tyler Robinson and say that looks like you.

447
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Speaker 2: The footage that we see that looks like you. You know,

448
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Speaker 2: did you do it or whatever. He confesses to them that,

449
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Speaker 2: and then he says something about Charlie having too much

450
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Speaker 2: hate and you can't negotiate the hate out or whatever

451
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Speaker 2: at that point, and then he apparently he tells his

452
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Speaker 2: parents that he's going to take his own life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're doing this. The charges against him are

454
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Speaker 5: capital charges. They can carry the death penalty. Prosecutors have

455
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Speaker 5: said they're planning to seek it.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 5: We have a history of people who are facing severe

458
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Speaker 5: charges they can attempt to escape using violence, They can

459
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Speaker 5: attempt to harm themselves, and so that's that's the purpose

460
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Speaker 5: of restraint.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the point is, so he's he's indicated at least

462
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Speaker 2: at some level, thoughts of suicide. And what I was

463
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Speaker 2: told was that even a pen could be used as

464
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Speaker 2: a potential weapons, right, So that's why they want to

465
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Speaker 2: keep him shackled, even if it's light, shackled out of

466
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Speaker 2: camera view, you know, assuming he puts his hands underneath

467
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Speaker 2: the table or something so you can't see it. But

468
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Speaker 2: so today is going to be all about media access

469
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Speaker 2: and there isn't going to be a portion of the

470
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Speaker 2: proceeding that is not public, And apparently that's going to

471
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Speaker 2: be about security issues. Obviously that makes sense. High profile case.

472
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Speaker 2: They want to make sure that the venue secure and safe,

473
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Speaker 2: and they probably don't want to share that information with

474
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Speaker 2: the public about ingress egress, you know, how they're going

475
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Speaker 2: to be approaching the security of the actual venue in

476
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Speaker 2: which the trial has heard. So I was told, don't

477
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Speaker 2: expect it to be super substantive, you know, street closed,

478
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Speaker 2: lightly shackled. He will not speak, He will acknowledge his presence,

479
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Speaker 2: but that's probably all we're going to hear from Tyler Robinson.

480
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Speaker 2: So you know, can you acknowledge that you are the

481
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Speaker 2: person that we have in this courtroom, he'll say yes

482
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Speaker 2: essentially pretty much.

483
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Speaker 5: That'll be reading through the details on this, you realize

484
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Speaker 5: just how exceptional this case actually is because it is

485
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Speaker 5: one of the things that's going on. This is the

486
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Speaker 5: first high profile criminal case that has occurred in the

487
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Speaker 5: artificial intelligence era. So I'm reading one of the reports

488
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Speaker 5: here Attorney Kathy Nester, one of his attorneys, I believe

489
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Speaker 5: she's pointed out there are already digitally altered versions of Robinson's,

490
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Speaker 5: you know, his court photos, like the photos that we've

491
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Speaker 5: actually seen of him in custody. So people have created

492
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Speaker 5: versions where he has an outburst or where he begins crying.

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Speaker 5: So they've you know, used AI to create video where

494
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Speaker 5: there isn't one. Yeah, and we've had that. Of course

495
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Speaker 5: with the shooting itself, it's going to be you can

496
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Speaker 5: somewhat sympathize with them point out that this is going

497
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Speaker 5: to be a totally unprecedented thing, and you have to

498
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Speaker 5: appreciate that we are. This is what the reality is

499
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Speaker 5: going to be going forward for every criminal case, for

500
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Speaker 5: every criminal case, imaginaal, you're going to have people AI

501
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: altering videos or creating them from whole cloth. That's a

502
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: real thing. If they don't allow cameras in the courtroom.

503
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: We may well have people saying this is an undercover

504
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 5: video that was taken at the trial and it's entirely

505
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Speaker 5: generated with AI. This is getting way beyond the case.

506
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Speaker 5: But I'm really shuddering for the future.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean listen, I mean Glenn alluded to it.

508
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Speaker 2: The craziness that we've had to endure is next level.

509
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're sort of realizing that this is

510
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Speaker 2: the high profile nature of this, of what happened Charlie's fame.

511
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Speaker 2: You know, we knew it was going to be huge,

512
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Speaker 2: but I don't think anybody knew that it was going

513
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Speaker 2: to take as many turns as already has to Glenn's

514
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: points three months in and yeah, we have this first

515
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: uh procedural like court hearing today. It's not going to

516
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: be much, but even this, who knows how it's going

517
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: to be spun. Who knows how it'll be spun?

518
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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 5: Really it does another thing. We should have prosecutor from you.

520
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: We're to talk about this, just because I do think

521
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: we've we've talked about the theories that are spinning around.

522
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Speaker 5: I do think a lot of that is produced by

523
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 5: there's a lot of psychic energy around this. As it were,

524
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: people think about this case a lot in effectively, don't

525
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 5: mean that in sort of a literal little mind powers people.

526
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: There's pent there's pent up passion for it, and this

527
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: could get released if people were able to see a

528
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 5: trial unfolding while they're all thinking about this, that they

529
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Speaker 5: could say, Okay, here is the defendant, here's the evidence,

530
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Speaker 5: here is the jury selection, here is the trial, here

531
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Speaker 5: is the verdict, And if it happened in a timely way,

532
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: which our constitution guarantees the right to a speedy trial.

533
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Speaker 5: And if you look historically, high profile criminal cases have

534
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Speaker 5: happened quickly within the past hundred years, where they're able

535
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Speaker 5: to put people on trial in a reasonable length of time.

536
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Speaker 5: But now it's this combination of everything in the court

537
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 5: system has slowed down, but everything in the media ecosystem

538
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 5: has sped up. So in the day of nightly news

539
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: and no online, the O. J. Simpson trial could go

540
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 5: on for a year and people wouldn't totally lose their minds.

541
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 5: But imagine if the O. J. Simpson trial was happening today,

542
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 5: but there was this year long delay after this giant,

543
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 5: spectacular car chase and then actually having a serious trial.

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Speaker 2: Go on, and imagine imagine if there was AI and

545
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: yeah and AI, imagine if there was you know, I mean,

546
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: all the elements of this really due amount to an

547
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: explosive media circus. The media Tornado thing totally is legitimate.

548
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: But to Erica's point, which he said with Jesse Waters,

549
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, everything that we've done has been hyper scrutinized

550
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: and hyper analyzed. Every smile, every every comment, everything so analyzed,

551
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: and we deserve to see this trial play out before

552
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Speaker 2: the media. We get to see the I want to

553
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: see the evidence, uh, you know, presented in a factual,

554
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: straightforward way. I want I want almost the American people

555
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: to be educated in encivics of it, because it is

556
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Speaker 2: so easy.

557
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Speaker 5: For these AI generated things to happen, and because there

558
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 5: is so many there are so many alternative outlets for

559
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: just generating wild stuff that content Tornado exists regardless. It

560
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 5: is actually in that case, genuinely important to have the

561
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Speaker 5: real thing out there existing, and while people try to

562
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Speaker 5: manipulate it, yes, inevitably, but it does have to exist

563
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Speaker 5: because if you have no real thing to compete against it,

564
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Speaker 5: it's going to be it's gonna be a calamity.

565
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Speaker 2: Well, and I want to compare what we're doing today

566
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Speaker 2: and the Tyler Robinson trial versus like what's going on

567
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Speaker 2: with Mangioni. So Mangioni is doing there, Yeah, this is

568
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: also taking forever. You know, he's having a probable cause

569
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Speaker 2: hearing in New York City, and that's actually where you

570
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: start to hear stuff new information, right, So mangione is

571
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Speaker 2: they're presenting new body cam footage. The defense is saying

572
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Speaker 2: that some of that evidence was seized illegally, that they

573
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Speaker 2: didn't have a warrant. So you're starting to see actually

574
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Speaker 2: the the chess moves by the defense and by the

575
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Speaker 2: prosecution in that case, because they're at a further juncture

576
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Speaker 2: at that trial. Right. So we're not there yet, but

577
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: when we get to an evidentiary hearing, a probable cause hearing,

578
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: which is a step in the process that says is

579
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: there enough evidence to take this to a full trial? Right?

580
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Speaker 2: I think in my Mangioni's case, of course it is

581
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Speaker 2: going to go to a full trial. In Tyler Robinson's case,

582
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: of course, it's going to go to a full trial.

583
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Speaker 2: But that's technically what that step is for and that's

584
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: when you'll find out is there enough evidence to proceed?

585
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: Obviously there is, you know, so don't expect that today.

586
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: But I think I could. I could share your frustration,

587
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: Blake in a massive way, especially being on this end

588
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: of it where you are a victim of this circumstance,

589
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: this terrible tragedy where our friend was murdered in cold blood,

590
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Speaker 2: and there's this vacuum of time right of where people

591
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: want answers to certain questions. You can only get those

592
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: answers in a trial. And yet we have to wait here.

593
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Speaker 2: We were probably looking at March April for this, right

594
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Speaker 2: and it's it's like, you know, if you're on this

595
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Speaker 2: end of it and they can drag that out, yeah,

596
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Speaker 2: and they could, Yeah, they could find ways to drag

597
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Speaker 2: that out, and then you're probably looking into twenty twenty

598
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Speaker 2: seven for an actual trial. That's what we're staring down

599
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Speaker 2: right now. I know, and you know, and again if

600
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Speaker 2: you if you read the charging documents, I mean, they've

601
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: they've got this kid so that the case is so watertight. Again,

602
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Speaker 2: there's fair questions to ask around it. There really are.

603
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Speaker 2: And I'm trying to be as gracious and generous as

604
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Speaker 2: I can to that. I have questions. We've chased down

605
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606
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Speaker 2: I mean, people SendUS stuff all the time, and we're

607
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: always sending those along to the authorities. But man, this

608
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Speaker 2: case is very strong, very water tight.

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Speaker 2: All right, so I mean before we move on, is

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Speaker 2: there anything you want to say about this.

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Speaker 5: Or I think I mean for now, I think we've

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Speaker 5: said it. There should be cameras.

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Speaker 2: It's at noon Mountain time, so it's gonna be right

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Speaker 2: and then we'll tune over to Well we'll probably.

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Speaker 5: We'll probably hit it on Thought Crime tonight. If anything

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Speaker 5: YEP noteworthy happens, sure we'll want to do that. Uh So,

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Speaker 5: we just got an email from Allison who says asks

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Speaker 2: I want to react to that because there is yes.

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Speaker 5: They're voting today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge one.

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Speaker 5: We need twenty six votes from the Republicans senators of Indiana.

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Speaker 5: We have twenty two confirmed yes votes. I will be frank,

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Speaker 5: I am pessimistic about them passing it. But then we

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Speaker 5: move into.

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Speaker 2: Stage two, which is primary. You have to primary them.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be involved in that, Yeah, in a

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Speaker 2: big way. So this is the redistricting fight, which would

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Speaker 2: result in a nine oh states. You'd have nine conservative districts,

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Speaker 2: zero liberal or Democrat districts. And what you need to

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Speaker 2: get that done is you need twenty six votes in

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Speaker 2: the Senate. We have twenty two confirmed yeses. We are

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Speaker 2: pessimistic that we are going to get the four additional

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Speaker 2: votes that we need. Now, I think, what is just

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Speaker 2: forty republic.

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Speaker 5: We have forty thirty nine Republicans and a non caucusing

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Speaker 5: Republican which I don't even want to find out what

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Speaker 5: the heck that means.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we only need twenty thirty.

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Speaker 5: Nine Republicans ten Democrats. You haven't forty forty Republicans ten Democrats.

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Speaker 5: You have an eighty percent Republican legislature and they can't

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Speaker 5: get a bare majority to get two extra Republicans in

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Speaker 5: the US House, right and when we you know, you

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Speaker 5: might have thought this was a bad fight to start,

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Speaker 5: but it's sort of like it's sort of like saying, oh,

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Speaker 5: I just don't agree with the way, like what our

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Speaker 5: battle plan is in this war. So I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: go pout and sit at home or something. No, the

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Speaker 5: battle has been joined. Democrats have redone their map in California.

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Speaker 5: They're redoing their map. I think in Maryland they did it.

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Speaker 5: They're looking for maps they can redo. Yeah, they're planning

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Speaker 5: to do it in Virginia. The battle is joined. You

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Speaker 5: have to join the fight, or switch flipping parties, or

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Speaker 5: just quit, leave and let yourself be replaced by someone

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Speaker 5: who will fight. As Charlie would say, lead, follow, or

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Speaker 5: get out of the way.

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Speaker 2: Get out of the way. And here we made some

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Speaker 2: news on Friday. I think we were the cover of

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Speaker 2: front page of Politico. But it is we are getting

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Speaker 2: involved in the Indiana fight on the turning Point action side.

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Speaker 2: So we are going to bring our organizational muscle over

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Speaker 2: to Indiana. There's gonna be a lot of packs. C

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Speaker 2: four's grassroots, local grassroots in Indiana. We had Citizen Kane

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Speaker 2: from Citizen Free Press join us earlier this week, and

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Speaker 2: he said, the grass roots in Indiana, He's a local there,

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Speaker 2: is fired up and they're upset with their elected representatives

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Speaker 2: in that state. I think they have every right to be.

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Speaker 2: And I'll reiterate this point because this You know, a

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Speaker 2: lot of attention goes to swing states in our election cycles, okay,

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Speaker 2: because those obviously determine who's going to be the president.

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Speaker 2: You gotta win the swing states to become the president's

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Speaker 2: very high profile. We take our eye off the ball

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Speaker 2: when it comes to these red predictably red strongholds like Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Indiana is very conservative, it's very Republican. We to Resident

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Speaker 2: Trump won in twenty twenty four by twenty plus points

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Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana. It's a very red state.

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Speaker 2: But what happens is the incumbent political class gets so

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Speaker 2: entrenched in these in these states that over the years,

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Speaker 2: especially when you have a convulsive moment like President Trump

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Speaker 2: coming onto the scene, the incumbent political class ceases to

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Speaker 2: line up with where the base voters are at. So

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Speaker 2: you have these moments where the base wants redistricting. As

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Speaker 2: you said, the fight has been joined. You either get

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Speaker 2: to join the fight or you get to stay and

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Speaker 2: be an enemy in that fight.

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Speaker 5: At this point, you are just straight up voting. Do

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Speaker 5: you want more Republicans in Congress or fewer? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: a really powerful vote. And then take your pick, and

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Speaker 5: I want fewer Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Why are you a Republican? And there will be congressional

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Speaker 2: level spending deployed in the state of Indiana. So if

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Speaker 2: you get on board and you vote to redistrict, you

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Speaker 2: will be marked as safe. If you vote against it,

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Speaker 2: you will be marked for a primary. And that is

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Speaker 2: that is the essentral bargain that is being offered to

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Speaker 2: the senators in the great state of Indiana.

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Speaker 5: We don't like doing this. No, it's more fun to

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Speaker 5: run against Democrats. It's more fun to spend against Democrats.

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Speaker 5: But frankly, sometimes you have to make sure that if

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Speaker 5: your bluff is called, that you can meet it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I mean it's not even a question.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be all out. We've already begun hiring process,

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Speaker 2: We've already been deploying our staff in there, meeting with

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Speaker 2: the local grass roots. Everybody's fired up, everybody's ready to

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Speaker 2: go and I mean, it will probably take a process.

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Speaker 2: Just so you think of the time frame here, it

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Speaker 2: will probably take all the way through twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 2: to get this done, to get a state legislature in

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Speaker 2: place in Indiana, to get it all the way across

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Speaker 2: the finish line. But listen, your four vote shy, Let's

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Speaker 2: see how close we get. Maybe, just maybe enough senators

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Speaker 2: are going to hear the call of their voters in

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Speaker 2: the great state of Indiana that they will change their vote,

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Speaker 2: get to that twenty six vote threshold, and we'll get

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Speaker 2: the job done. We won't need all this outside attention,

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Speaker 2: all the drama, all the drama. There's so much drama

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Speaker 2: going on in this country right now. I would love

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Speaker 2: to stay focused on the mission. I would love to

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Speaker 2: stay focused on the mission. You know, it occurs to

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Speaker 2: me like how hard we worked over the years to

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Speaker 2: stay mission focused. Gotta stay mission focus.

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Speaker 5: And then you you kind of you have this rude

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Speaker 5: awakening where you go into this state where you're not

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Speaker 5: you are admittedly not necessarily super engaged with their locals.

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Speaker 5: We're super engaged with state level Arizona politics. You go

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Speaker 5: to Nebraska, you go to Indiana, and they have their

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Speaker 5: grievances going back years. They have their arrangements going back years,

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Speaker 5: and you just come in and you just have to

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Speaker 5: roll your eyes. This is what you guys are focused on,

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Speaker 5: This is what you think matters the most right now,

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Speaker 5: because you are gravely mistaken.

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Speaker 2: There word and Truth used it for a reason. It

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Speaker 2: was not uncalled for in that particular Truth Social post.

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