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Speaker 1: promised all day. Richard Goldberg joins us. He is with

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Speaker 1: the senior director at the Foundation for the Defense of

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Speaker 1: Democracies and he was in the Trump first term at

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Speaker 1: the National Security Council with the Iran portfolio, and the

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Speaker 1: Trump second term he helped stand up the National Energy

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Speaker 1: Dominance Council of Secretary of Berghaman and writer. You've heard

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Speaker 1: here a lot. They went back to the FDD to

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Speaker 1: study Iran, and boy, what a timely time it is. Richard.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to you here at show. Great to have you,

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Speaker 1: great to be here. Thank you so much so, Richard.

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Speaker 1: Since President Trump appeared on the program, you know, two

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Speaker 1: weeks and two days ago and said he's going to

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Speaker 1: hit Iran harder and he's ever been hit before. They

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Speaker 1: have ever been hit before. If they keep killing people

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Speaker 1: on Mark Duvitch, your colleague, I've had on Michael Duran

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Speaker 1: from Hudson. I've had on Ben and Ben Tellerblue, your colleague,

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Speaker 1: I've had on I will have on Kareem Sajyapor. I

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Speaker 1: think Thursday of the writty gore from Israel you, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing my best to get people ready for what will

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Speaker 1: be a very big kinetic collision if it happens. Do

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Speaker 2: I do think something is going to happen. I think

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Speaker 2: the president is a president of determination commitment. I think

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Speaker 2: he likely has his mind already set on some sort

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Speaker 2: of outcome here and has asked his senior advisors to

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Speaker 2: make sure his options are set and the force posture

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Speaker 2: matches the options that are most aligned with what he

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Speaker 2: more and more of this information comes out, the intelligence

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Speaker 2: on in Iran and his phone calls are being made,

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Speaker 2: as pictures and videos come out, he and the rest

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Speaker 2: of the world sees that a red line that he

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Speaker 2: drew was obliterated by this regime. He is aware of

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Speaker 2: that the promises of no executions apparently have continued in

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Speaker 3: And when you start seeing a.

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Speaker 2: Death toll in the tens upon tens of thousands, with

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Speaker 2: more still in secret locations being held, with more executions

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Speaker 2: potentially on the way, that alone, of course obliterates the

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Speaker 2: Red Line. But he also sees a regime that's teetering,

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Speaker 2: he sees historic opportunity, and as he told you, he's

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Speaker 2: already in many ways sealed his fate in history as

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Speaker 2: somebody like Ronald Reagan who changes the world, whether it's

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Speaker 2: last June with the B two bombers Operation Midnight Hammer,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the most recent operation against Maduro, the Abraham

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Speaker 2: Cords before that. But you know what, Ronald Reagan brought

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Speaker 2: down the Soviet Union, a major threat to the United States,

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Speaker 2: transformed the entire world scene. This president could still bring

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Speaker 2: down one of those major threats that is world changing,

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Speaker 2: world history changing, if he contributes to the collapse of

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Speaker 1: Of Iran, and in so doing, if that happens, having

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Speaker 1: cut off the People's Republic of China from Venezuela and oil,

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Speaker 1: he may succeed in cutting off Iran from setting hot

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Speaker 1: it's just that they will pay a lot more for it. Richard,

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Speaker 1: does that not serve our strategic interests as well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you, for some reason don't

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Speaker 2: care at all about thirty five thousand people being mass

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Speaker 2: that Iran, as the leading state sponsor of terrorism in

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Speaker 2: the world, continues to plot war against the United States,

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Speaker 2: has tried to assassinate the President of the United States

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Speaker 2: while he was out of office, will most certainly to

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Speaker 2: assassinate him again if they remain in power after he

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Speaker 2: you say it's all about China, that's our greatest existential

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Speaker 2: why the President is executing the most brilliant grand strategy

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Speaker 2: the aggressors that are the middle powers that can threaten

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Speaker 2: the game board. And remember, for China heavily dependent on

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Speaker 2: But if Iran is no longer a threat there, if

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Speaker 1: So, Richard Goldberg, I believe that if the President fails

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Speaker 1: And you use the term thirty five thousand, I've seen

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Speaker 2: I think that picture is increasing and the flow of

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Speaker 2: of Iran. There's no way to deny what's happening now.

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Speaker 2: Millions of people came out in the streets. There was

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Speaker 2: mass murder. The blood is still stained across Tehran and

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Speaker 2: other major cities. People are still trying to identify their

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Speaker 2: loved ones who are being held hostage, even as dead

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Speaker 2: also understanding that this is a regime that teeters. Why

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Speaker 2: stands to reason millions of people would come back into

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Speaker 2: and control. You do a great service to the United States.

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Speaker 2: You enforce a red line and show the enemies of

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. I'm coming right back with Richard Goldberg,

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Speaker 1: Senior director at the Foundation for the Defense of DEMOCRACIESFDD

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Speaker 1: dot org, and you can follow him at Richard Goldberg

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Speaker 1: there a middle initial in there, Richard or is it

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Speaker 1: just Richard Goldberg?

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Speaker 4: Just at rich underscore Goldberg. The underscore catches people something

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Speaker 4: rich Underscore Goldberg. It's one of the people I tell

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Speaker 4: you you should follow routinely online because there are a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of people with opinions about Iran, but there

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Speaker 4: aren't that many with actual firsthand knowledge of having worked

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Speaker 4: the portfolio at the NFC Richard has.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhre. I'll be right back with rich Goldberg

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Speaker 1: from the FDD. After the mess to State tuned that

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Speaker 1: they can heal it show, Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 1: to heal it. With Richard Goldberg, senior fellow at the

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Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defensive Democracies for years and Trump won

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Speaker 1: had the portfolio over Iran sanctions, trying to rebuild some

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Speaker 1: kind of pressure on Iran after Team Obama gave the

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Speaker 1: world away to them, including pallets of cash. He came

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Speaker 1: stand up the Energy Dominance Council and to try and

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Speaker 1: repair the damage done by four years of Biden appeasement.

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Speaker 1: Hypothetical entirely, Richard, before we go back to the reality

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Speaker 1: of strike lists and priorities. Had Barack Obama not gone

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Speaker 2: This was unimaginable. He abandoned the people in the street

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Speaker 1: Richard, it's not very relevable, but I want you follow

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Speaker 2: No, because they're out there working the media right now

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Speaker 2: dangerous to act. Don't know what would come next, could

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Speaker 2: So I'll get get on the train looking at you, say,

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Speaker 1: So, Richard, there are lots of different definitions of what

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Speaker 1: Richard Goldberg? What would you like to see happen as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am at the very least regime punishment, but

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Speaker 2: I would like to see the facilitation of regime collapse

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Speaker 2: if somehow the President and General Kine and Director Ratcliffe

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Speaker 2: I would not be predicting that it would seem high

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Speaker 6: But who knows.

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Speaker 2: This president and this team around him have proven everybody

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Speaker 2: At the moment. However, given the normal set of facts

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Speaker 2: I think it is quite appropriate A to make sure

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Speaker 2: And yes, you will see some sort of transition. At

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Speaker 2: of the oil flowing out of carg Island, you will

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Speaker 2: force an immediate liquidity crisis. You will accelerate what is

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Speaker 2: next to that regime alone, just internally with fracturing, if

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Speaker 2: you were disrupt communications at the same time, then to see, Richard.

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Speaker 1: Does the American people and the rest of the world

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Speaker 1: I don't know that the red line isn't erased anyway.

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Speaker 1: I think they have to see it.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course they have to see it. You mean

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Speaker 2: you mean, could there just be a cyber uh event?

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Speaker 2: And that's the no. There's no way, there's no way

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Speaker 2: that that is sufficient at dis point, based on what

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Speaker 2: I had a cyber event and we'll call it a day.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be laughed out of the room.

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Speaker 2: The president certainly knows that, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: It's not like she and Putin don't believe the president

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Speaker 2: over the last year and in his first term he

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Speaker 2: to have to know he's serious. But you start stopping

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Richard Goldberg of the Foundation

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Speaker 1: for the Defensive Democracy, and he's for going to talk

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Speaker 1: two segments on Today is Iran in Focus Hours Day tuned.

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Speaker 1: I'm Vio, Hugh, Welcome back America. I'm here, Hugh at

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Speaker 1: the biggest story in the world remains Iran and whether

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Speaker 1: in with it. Richard Goldberger, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: target sets now. I've asked all of the experts, and

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Speaker 1: week of end experts on Iran. Why don't we hit

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Speaker 1: carg Island because it and the two other oil terminals

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Speaker 2: This is the number one source of revenue for the regime.

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Speaker 2: If you stop the flow of oil, then you are

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Speaker 2: I will add that I also think we underestimate the

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Speaker 2: But yes, we have long had this option, and obviously

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Speaker 2: You have an immediate impact in the market, normal actors,

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Speaker 2: And so for the Chinese at least, they resort to

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Speaker 2: These are unofficial, sort of supposedly disconnected from state owned enterprises.

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Speaker 2: We let them go all the way through the Strait,

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Speaker 2: We let them go all the way to China deliver it.

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Speaker 2: We know exactly who they are, where they're coming from.

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Speaker 2: The President has tried a tariff threat now that doesn't

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Speaker 1: Richard Here's student of history. We spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: just blow up the refineries. They can be rebuilt under

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Speaker 3: We have that option set.

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Speaker 2: The truth is is that if you go back to

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Speaker 2: set was on the table for the Israelis as well

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Speaker 2: during twelve days of their own air strikes and with

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Speaker 2: the exception of a couple of fuel depots in an

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Why is it that we hesitate to do that? Well,

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Speaker 2: in the end, if you are a military planner, if

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Speaker 2: you're advising the president, you say, well, mister President, if

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Speaker 2: we hit their energy, then they will have a proportional response,

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Speaker 2: which will be to hit other energy, whether that be

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Speaker 2: to mine the strait of horror moves and deny Saudi

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Speaker 2: oil for moving out to the market, or hit Saudi

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Speaker 2: oil infrastructure itself and try to create a massive catastrophic

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Speaker 2: disruption event for the market. A couple of responses to that.

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Speaker 2: The President should know about. Number one, then give me

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Speaker 2: the top of the target list. We're going to hit

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Speaker 2: the missiles, the drones, and the IRGC navy first and

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Speaker 2: take that threat off the board. Why do we keep

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Speaker 2: having to be deterred by that threat? And number two,

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Speaker 2: this is a different oil market today because of Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 2: and we should understand that this is China's pressure point,

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Speaker 2: not ours. Fifty percent of China's oil imports comes through

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Speaker 2: the Strait of Hormuz. The Iranians want to mine that straight.

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Speaker 2: They want to attack. Saudi oil won't be good, not

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Speaker 2: saying we won't have a short term price spike because

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Speaker 2: it is a global commodity. But we're not going to

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Speaker 2: run out of oil here. We're going to be okay,

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Speaker 2: and we'll get the straight back open fast. And I

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Speaker 2: don't think there will be any government facilities left in

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Speaker 2: Tehran afterwards from what the President would do in response.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard, thank you. I've been through a lot of

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Speaker 1: experts and they all say we got to worry about

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Speaker 1: our Golf Cooperation Council allies, and we do. And msz

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Speaker 1: NBC is our best ally and MBS is a rising

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Speaker 1: ally and we got to worry about World Royal markets.

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Speaker 1: But Canada's coming online with a lot of heavy crude,

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Speaker 1: and we got a lot of heavy crude, and Venezuela's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of everything that Iran's got. I just

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Speaker 1: don't understand why it's not at the top of the

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Speaker 1: target list. But my last segment with Richard's coming up,

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Speaker 1: because we do have to discuss risks to Americans. Stay

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Speaker 1: tuned on Hugoett, Welcome back America. On you here. Richard

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Speaker 1: Goldberg is the senior Fellow at the Foundation for the

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Speaker 1: Defensive Democracies. He's been in Trump one and Trump two.

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Speaker 1: He's an Iran expert. We have a lot of assets

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Speaker 1: in the region. Rich I know that families that people

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Speaker 1: are on the Lincoln, and I've had family on the Lincoln,

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Speaker 1: though not right now, are wondering, Hey, can they hit

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Speaker 1: the Lincoln? Can they hit the destroyers? Can they hit

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Speaker 1: our base and cutter? We saw a demonstration attack after

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Speaker 1: midnight hammer. We saw Israel hammered a lot I think

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Speaker 1: thirty dead. We've seen them hit Ali Sad with ballistic missiles,

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Speaker 1: precision strikes on Ali Sad in whatever year that was

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Speaker 1: that they blew up alisade I had friends and family

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Speaker 1: and Ali saw that that might that got off. How

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Speaker 1: much can they hurt us with their ballistic missile capacity.

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Speaker 2: They can definitely target US faces in the region through

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Speaker 2: their ballistic missiles. They also have a cruise missile capacity

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Speaker 2: as well. We saw that utilized against the Saudi oil

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Speaker 2: infrastructure back in twenty nineteen, along with drones. So long

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Speaker 2: as we keep our naval forces far away with our

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Speaker 2: standoff capabilities, whether that be Tomahawk strikes or fighter jets

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Speaker 2: off the boat, we should be outside of their striking

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Speaker 2: distance to our naval forces. They do not have much

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Speaker 2: of an air defense left. If any any that would

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Speaker 2: be still there will be accounted for both by the

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Speaker 2: growlers on the aircraft carrier. Those are the electronic warfare

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Speaker 2: fighter squadrons that we have eighteen g's and also the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Israelis sort of took out all of

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Speaker 2: the Russian air defense already, the Iranian knockoff of the

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Speaker 2: Russian air defense, It's not to say you couldn't have

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Speaker 2: an oopsie, but the threat is much lower from an

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Speaker 2: air perspective.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Argentinians hit that British boat. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the name of the ship that they that they shunk

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Speaker 1: in the fall camp.

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Speaker 2: You can't have a total prediction here, you have to there.

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Speaker 2: There can always be something that goes wrong. There can

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Speaker 2: always be something like you can't believe that happened. But

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Speaker 2: by and large, you do have to be prepared for

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Speaker 2: their missile threat. We have missile defenses available, We have

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Speaker 2: the s M three's on the destroyers, we have some

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Speaker 2: land based Patriots and other at our bases in the region.

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Speaker 2: So yes, we would be on force protection condition highest

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Speaker 2: possible level. People in barracks underground, prepared for any short

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Speaker 2: of retaliation, already moving out most essential critical personnel and

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Speaker 2: platforms to prepare for such a contingency. But that goes

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Speaker 2: back to the fact that if you have a target

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Speaker 2: list and you are most afraid of that retaliatory capability,

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Speaker 2: then you want to mitigate that from the start. You

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Speaker 2: want to go after all the underground facilities where they

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Speaker 2: store their missiles. If there is a launch, we will

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Speaker 2: detect the launch immediately and take out the launchers.

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Speaker 1: That's what the.

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Speaker 2: Israelis did very effectively during the Twelve Day War. If

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Speaker 2: you see fast boats going around in the gulf. There

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Speaker 2: should be a shoot on site order get rid of

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Speaker 2: the boats. Don't hesitate if you see anything that looks

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Speaker 2: like mining. Shoot the boats, you know, take out the poor,

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Speaker 2: take out the IRGC, Navy headquarters and command and control.

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Speaker 2: All of those should be on the top of Richard

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Speaker 2: if you are looking to do something real.

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Speaker 1: We got four minutes left, so I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you the toughest question. Your phone rank, it's the President.

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Speaker 1: Hey Goldberg. I heard you talking to Hewett and he

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Speaker 1: was quoting me from two weeks ago. Things have changed.

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Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? And do you

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Speaker 1: really think my red line would be a race if

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Speaker 1: I don't do anything? What do you want me to do?

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Speaker 1: And would it really be a red line erased? What

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Speaker 1: do you say to one?

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Speaker 2: Mister president, everyone's watching. You gave your word. You decided

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Speaker 2: that you were going to set a red line, which

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Speaker 2: was totally appropriate, and that lead line has been obliterated

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Speaker 2: because in the end, these are crazy, maniacal radicals who

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Speaker 2: have tried to kill you, and we'll try to kill

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Speaker 2: you again when you leave office. But you already know

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Speaker 2: that they've killed a lot of Americans, and they will

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Speaker 2: keep killing Americans. This is your moment in history. Strike

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Speaker 2: them at their most lethal strategic threat to US long term,

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Speaker 2: and then hit them in command and control and senior

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Speaker 2: leadership to try to blind them, disorient them, and give

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Speaker 2: the people a chance. I'm not saying that's going to

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Speaker 2: guarantee it's going to be, you know, the collapse of

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Speaker 2: the regime overnight. I don't know what's going to come next.

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Speaker 2: I can't guarantee you that, but I do know that

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Speaker 2: this regime staying in power, with the ability to lash

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Speaker 2: out and reach the United States or our allies, is

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Speaker 2: very dangerous and very good for China and Russia. And

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Speaker 2: you will do the world and the United States a

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Speaker 2: great favor by taking action.

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Speaker 1: Now, So Baby says the same thing. Do you do

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Speaker 1: you want me to have Israel come along or you

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Speaker 1: want them to stay home?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I think that if you have the aircraft carrier of

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Speaker 2: the State of Israel at our disposal, that means we

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Speaker 2: have two carrier strike groups at our disposal. Actually, the

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Speaker 2: entire Israeli Air Force and their clandestine and cyber capabilities

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Speaker 2: inside of Iran. We don't know what they're what they

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Speaker 2: could be capable of.

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Speaker 1: Doing.

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Speaker 2: If I was the president of United States, I would say,

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Speaker 2: what are our unique capabilities against specific targets that these

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Speaker 2: Raelis can't touch, that they can't have impact on? Versus

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Speaker 2: what are the Israelis able to do on their own

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Speaker 2: and continue to contribute. I think it would be crazy

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Speaker 2: not to coordinate this with the Israelis.

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Speaker 1: And then he finishes Richard this way, you know, I

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Speaker 1: like air to one. Everyone called me. He doesn't want

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Speaker 1: me to do this. They just put in a strike

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Speaker 1: that he put in radar in Damascus. What do we

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Speaker 1: do about Turkey?

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Speaker 2: Tell him that I hope he really loves what we've

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Speaker 2: done to bring the Iraq Turkey pipeline back online and

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Speaker 2: the revenue that's creating for his regime and for his country,

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Speaker 2: that there's a lot more business to be done, and

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Speaker 2: hopefully he understands that the Islamic Republic of Iran at

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Speaker 2: war with the United States all these decades. People who

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Speaker 2: have tried to kill me personally the present United States

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Speaker 2: and have killed many, many, many Americans really shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: around much longer after what they've done here in the

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Speaker 2: streets and what they continue to do to the United

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Speaker 2: States and our allies, and I hope you understand that

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Speaker 2: as a NATO ally because we could have a great relationship.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think you want to be with those guys, right.

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Speaker 1: All right, very last question. I don't think the red

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Speaker 1: lines obliterated yet, because there's a rationale for what he

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Speaker 1: did when he did and what he said when he said,

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Speaker 1: and I think it was very strategic. But it will

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Speaker 1: go away by a date certain I'm saying, Saint Patrick's day.

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Speaker 1: How long do they have to act, Richard before the

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Speaker 1: damage Obama like damage to his credibility is done.

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Speaker 2: I don't like setting a timetable on that. If he

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Speaker 2: is intending to act, and he is continuing to move

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Speaker 2: forces into position to be able to fulfill his objectives,

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Speaker 2: he should use this time to squeeze, destabilize, and disorient

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Speaker 2: that can be done in the economic realm, that can

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Speaker 2: be done in the cyber realm, and then follow on

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Speaker 2: with the kinetic action. So long as that's all sequenced,

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Speaker 2: it's all coming together. It's all part of strategy.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: The time is on his side. He should not rush

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Speaker 2: something like this. It should be done correctly.

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Speaker 1: Richard Goldberg from the Foundation for the Defensive democracies. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Follow rich On at Rich Underscore Goldberg at Rich Underscore Goldberg,

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Speaker 1: and visit Foundation for Defensive Democracy that's at fdd on

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Speaker 1: X as well all of their They've got the strongest

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Speaker 1: Iran department inside the Beltway because they've got people who

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Speaker 1: have actually done it, including Rich Goldberg, who's been mister

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Speaker 1: sanctions for a long long time. Thank you, Rich, coming back,

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Speaker 1: don't go anywhere, America. We've got a couple more experts

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Speaker 1: to have on about this, but by now you should

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Speaker 1: have a fairly comprehensive grip on the Iran situation. If

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Speaker 1: you have been listening to every hour of every two

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Speaker 1: huge show, stay tuned. I have Brett Bear joining me now,

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Speaker 1: of course, the anchor of Special Report, America's newsman, America's anchor. Brett.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about Minnesota because you

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Speaker 1: have a very good perspective on this. You talk to all

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Speaker 1: the different people. I think a week ago Thursday, I

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Speaker 1: set on the panel on Special Report. Minnesota is a

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Speaker 1: shall issue state when it comes to permits, and they

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Speaker 1: can shall issue an open carry or a concealed carry,

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Speaker 1: and that it was dangerous, that was after an a

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Speaker 1: good and before Alex Petty were shot and killed. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to get better either. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the left is going home, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's going to back off. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 7: I think President's call can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got you.

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Speaker 7: The President's call to the governor and also to the

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Speaker 7: mayor of Minneapolis. I think that those two things, at

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Speaker 7: least a tone from both sides about those calls, seem

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Speaker 7: to indicate something different. I agree with you that, you know,

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Speaker 7: the agitators, the protesters who are hired to do that

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Speaker 7: are probably not going to leave. But with the ad

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Speaker 7: of you know, state police, police and maybe even National Guard,

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Speaker 7: because Minnesota is engaging and working with them, I think

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Speaker 7: it could change the dynamic. I mean, just having areas

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Speaker 7: for protesters that are outside the operation lines of ICE

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Speaker 7: agents is one thing, and the other thing is to

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Speaker 7: work and give up the illegal immigrants who are already

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Speaker 7: jailed for crime.

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Speaker 1: This is if you've touched on I think the most

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Speaker 1: important argument that Team Trump hasn't made effectively, which is

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Speaker 1: that when illegal aliens are arrested, they are in a

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Speaker 1: county or a city jail for a period of time

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Speaker 1: until they reach trial and they get a detainer a

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Speaker 1: term of art, meaning that ICE wants them whenever they're

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Speaker 1: released on bond, on bail, on their own recognizance, or

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Speaker 1: after acquittal. And St. Paul Minneapolis won't do that. Has

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Speaker 1: Jacob Fry said he'll order police to begin cooperating.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you said that, per Se. I

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Speaker 7: know that the president's asking for them, and I know

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Speaker 7: that they had a good phone call. So listen, if

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Speaker 7: you poll getting criminal illegal immigrants who have committed crimes

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Speaker 7: off the streets, it's an eighty twenty seventy thirty issue.

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Speaker 7: If you poll the type of stuff you're seeing on

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Speaker 7: TV with ICE agents and you add in you know

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Speaker 7: anecdotally that people have been you know, put into the

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Speaker 7: middle of that who have not been criminal or illegal immigrants,

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Speaker 7: then it goes exactly the opposite way. And I think

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Speaker 7: they lost the pr narrative obviously in some of these

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Speaker 7: in these incidents, and you know, I think it's going

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Speaker 7: to change, but you're right, it could be. It could

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Speaker 7: be ugly before it's better.

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Speaker 1: Now they're spokespeople are I think in order of frequency

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Speaker 1: of a Pearance, DHS Secretary Nome, Trish McLaughlin, the Assistant

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Speaker 1: Secretary at DHS, Tom Homan, a bit of cash Betel,

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Speaker 1: And every now and then Steven Miller erupts on san N.

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Speaker 1: I think he goes on, said, Steve Miller done your show, Brett.

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Speaker 7: He has, it's been a number of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but he usually goes on san N because

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Speaker 1: they like to erupt with Jake and he and usually

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Speaker 1: wins that. Uh, do you think those five are the

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Speaker 1: best five communicators at the disposal of the administration on this.

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Speaker 7: Well, some of them are not clearly and they've they've

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Speaker 7: had missteps. And I think the reason President Trump chose

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Speaker 7: Holman to go into Minneapolis and to report directly to

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Speaker 7: him tells you something. There's you know, there's a dynamic

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Speaker 7: in there. And Bill Mallusion has reported on it. There's

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Speaker 7: senior DHS officials who believe they the narrative was too

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Speaker 7: firm and too definite about Preddy and his motivations, you know,

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Speaker 7: as that shooting in the early hours, and there's a

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Speaker 7: lot of bad feelings about it. And I think the

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Speaker 7: President got that and sent Holman in on the ground and.

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Speaker 1: He's also in New Yorker, who's followed for years Rudy

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Speaker 1: Giuliani defending cops, and he wants to defend cops in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, but he probably also remembers I started my

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Speaker 1: TV career two months before the LA riots, the Rodney

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Speaker 1: King tape, and you can always stand behind police, but

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Speaker 1: you can't stand forever if there's something wrong with an

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Speaker 1: inst I have no judgment. I have no opinion one

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Speaker 1: way or the other because I know that it will

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Speaker 1: require weeks of special forensic analysis of what happened because

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Speaker 1: ops are involved, shootings are always complicated. But I have

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Speaker 1: no opinion on it. And that's what I think Cabinet

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Speaker 1: secretaries ought to say, and they can say it while

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Speaker 1: still saying I support the men and women of DHS,

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol, Immigration Control, and alcohol, tobacco firearms in the bureau.

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Speaker 1: It's not really a difficult message, is it, Brent.

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Speaker 7: No, It's pretty simple. It's coming down the middle, and

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Speaker 7: you wait for an investigation and say they have a

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Speaker 7: tough job and it would be a lot easier if

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Speaker 7: the state and local authorities would help ICE do their job.

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Speaker 7: That's the message, and I think it also helps that

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Speaker 7: Tom Holman was given an award by Barack Obama YEP,

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Speaker 7: and was touted for his work in the Obama administration.

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Speaker 1: Well, decades of law enforcement experience coming into play here,

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Speaker 1: and the last person that wants to be involved in

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Speaker 1: a law officer involved shooting is the officer, absolutely, one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent. The few that I have known well have

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Speaker 1: always said that to me. Now, Brett, when it comes

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Speaker 1: time to shut down the government or not shut down

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Speaker 1: the government, there's going to have to be a choice

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Speaker 1: made to Democrats want to shut down the government, and

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it. But I don't think Susan Collins

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Speaker 1: is going to budge, and I don't think John Thune's

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Speaker 1: going to budge on defunding DHS or in any way

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Speaker 1: restricting ICE.

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Speaker 7: Do you no, And you know it's silly. The ICE

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Speaker 7: has been funded through twenty twenty nine largely. I mean

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Speaker 7: it's around the edges that they're talking about additional funding,

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Speaker 7: but they've been largely funded as an organization through twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty nine. So if you're taking away DHS funds, taking

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Speaker 7: him away from TSA, from FEMA in the wake of

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Speaker 7: tough travel, that could bite you in the wake of

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Speaker 7: snowstorms and other disasters that could bite you, so politically,

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Speaker 7: this is dangerous. I think that's why Chuck Schumer wants

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Speaker 7: to have a meeting and a call with President Trump

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Speaker 7: and try to come to some deal. And that's what

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Speaker 7: I'm hearing is behind the scenes right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I must feel bad for Chuck Schumer, which I've

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Speaker 1: never said on the rate, because he just cannot win

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Speaker 1: the situation. He catch up down to Ja. Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me turn to Iraq Iron. This is what President Trump

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Speaker 1: said to said Rosenberg this morning. Brett Kunnemer IWO.

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Speaker 8: We have a big armada going over there right now,

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Speaker 8: and hopefully we won't have to use it.

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Speaker 7: But it's very.

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Speaker 8: Powerful, bigger than what we have in Venezuela that we

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Speaker 8: said over that worked out so well, and the leadership

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Speaker 8: there is doing a very good job coordinating.

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Speaker 1: With us and anything else.

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Speaker 8: But we have a big armada going over there and

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Speaker 8: we'll see, hopefully we won't have to use it now.

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Speaker 1: Brett Baer, I've had on every expert saved one. Kareem

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Speaker 1: Sadrpor will be on I think Thursday, but Michael Duran,

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Speaker 1: Mark dub It's Ben and Ben Tellablu Richard Goldberg's coming

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Speaker 1: up a vive Reddick gore. Of course, the president was

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Speaker 1: on all the experts want him to hit Iran hard

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Speaker 1: and rattle their teeth, if not topple their regime. If

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Speaker 1: it's possible and the president is ambiguous, what do you

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Speaker 1: think is going to happen? You've interviewed more than anybody

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Speaker 1: I think on the networks. What do you think he's

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Speaker 1: doing here?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he's positioning. He is doing the art

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Speaker 7: of the deal as he sees it, you know, having

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Speaker 7: the strengths and you know, the big stick is Teddy

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Speaker 7: Roosevelt would say, looking for them to do a deal.

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Speaker 7: He says they want to and they call all the time.

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Speaker 7: But he also kind of drew a red line about

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Speaker 7: killing protesters. Now there are human rights groups on the

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Speaker 7: ground saying it could be thirty thousand who died in

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Speaker 7: that span where protesters were killed in Iran. So listen,

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Speaker 7: I'm with you. I think that there is more likely

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Speaker 7: a strike than not. I think that the delay has

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Speaker 7: been about getting patriot batteries and missile defense for Israel

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Speaker 7: that was low. I think that's starting to be in place,

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Speaker 7: and once it is, I wouldn't be surprised that there

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Speaker 7: is some action. You know, if there is action, you've

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Speaker 7: got to have something on the ground. I think they're

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Speaker 7: working on that. And number two, you know, think about it,

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Speaker 7: Venezuela and Iran. What is the tangential benefit of that?

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Speaker 7: It is a pinch on Russia and China.

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Speaker 1: Brett. The last thing I want to bring your attention

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Speaker 1: Tommy ved is an annoyance to me. He's one of

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Speaker 1: the pod bros. And he's barking at me online right now.

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Speaker 1: But something he said today I think Donald Trump might

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Speaker 1: note when he's barking at me. Donald Trump told Ironi

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Speaker 1: and protesters he would rescue them. He encouraged them to

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Speaker 1: take over institutions, and then did nothing as they were

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Speaker 1: massacred by the regime. You know, that's early to be

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Speaker 1: calling you're repeating the red liner rature. And it's ironic,

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Speaker 1: not completely ridiculous for an Obama bro to do it.

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Speaker 1: But will the president have to live with that if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that the way he talks, I think

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Speaker 7: that that, you know, was was pretty bold and I

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Speaker 7: think that, you know, that's why it leads me to

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Speaker 7: the conclusion that I'm with you. I think it's more

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Speaker 7: likely than not that there is some kind of action,

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Speaker 7: but in a sense it is a little ionic for

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Speaker 7: Tommy retorts.

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Speaker 1: Ben Rhodes will be in next to check in with

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Speaker 1: the Kurds.

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Speaker 7: Have something to say about the red line.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes. Brett Bear will be watching tonight.

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Speaker 1: I know Trey Yanks will probably be updating you or

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Speaker 1: Lucas or one of your fine military guys over in

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Speaker 1: the region. Brett Behar, host of Fox News Special Report,

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Speaker 1: America's anchorman. Thank you, Brett. I'll be right back America.

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Speaker 1: Lylacs is next more on Minnesota when we return to

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Speaker 1: the he Hewit Show logom back America. I'm h Hewett.

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Speaker 1: I asked our friend James Lylyx to come early and

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Speaker 1: stay late today. You can read James at James lylys

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Speaker 1: dot substact dot com because James is has been and

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Speaker 1: probably always will be a resident of Minneapolis. And James,

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Speaker 1: just for your benefit, I've just discussed with Brett Bair

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Speaker 1: the Alex Pretty death and the Renee Good death and

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Speaker 1: in between. I was on a program and I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, Minnesota is an open carry and a concealed

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Speaker 1: carry state and a shell issue state, and somebody was

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Speaker 1: going to get hurt after renee Good and now someone's dead.

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Speaker 1: You live there, you can see what we don't see

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Speaker 1: and feel what we don't feel. Is the city boiling

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Speaker 1: over it is on the edge of revolution, or is

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Speaker 1: everyone kind of now just saying shocked and disgusted with

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Speaker 1: themselves and everybody.

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Speaker 3: It's neither. It's both.

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Speaker 5: I mean, where I live, it's okay, it's great. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm about twenty blocks south of where the George Floyds

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Speaker 5: stuff happened in the summertime. Unlike the Governor's wife, I

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Speaker 5: did not open my windows so I could smell the

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Speaker 5: burning tires and think of it as the perfume of justice.

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Speaker 5: But we had calamities around here. We had disorder. That

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Speaker 5: was twenty twenty. This is much different. The only thing

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Speaker 5: exactually penetrated my neighborhood, as I may have mentioned a

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Speaker 5: couple of weeks ago, was a woman who was driving

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Speaker 5: behind in black suv and she was convinced it was ice,

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Speaker 5: and she was blowing whistles and gesturing and making trying

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Speaker 5: to get everybody to run after it and do I

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Speaker 5: don't know what, but you know, possibly was a guy

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Speaker 5: with a long service, you know, a tree free friming operation,

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Speaker 5: who had mistakenly been entered into the databases. So around here, no,

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Speaker 5: it's quiet, but of course you talk to your friends,

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Speaker 5: you talk to your neighbors. Everybody sort of tries to

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Speaker 5: feel the other person out. There's a general assumption that

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Speaker 5: your anti eyes. This is horrible, this is awful. They

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Speaker 5: ought to leave these people. B and beyond that, the

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Speaker 5: conversation doesn't go any further.

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Speaker 1: Now you have just here the old colleague. You had

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Speaker 1: the old colleague from the Star Tribune last week who

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Speaker 1: wrote they almost left them all in Michigan after there

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Speaker 1: is another shooting, the one of the trend at D

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Speaker 1: Did he write anything else in the most recent shooting.

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Speaker 5: I haven't actually read it yet or looked, but what

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Speaker 5: is there to say?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 5: One of the more unnerving things about this era that

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Speaker 5: I've Selody put it quite nicely, is we all do

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Speaker 5: the Zapruder film when it comes out to these all

868
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: these different advantage points of the unfortunate death of that man,

869
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: and we slow it down to frame by frame. But

870
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 5: life doesn't happen that way. The best way to understand

871
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 5: these videos, perhaps is to watch them at twice speed

872
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 5: because everything is flooding and everything is immediate, and it's

873
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 5: difficult to judge.

874
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: I after this last shooting.

875
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 5: It is hard for somebody who has not been supportive

876
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: of going out and getting the bad guys and taking

877
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 5: them away to say that there has to be a

878
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 5: lowering of the temperature.

879
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that you have to stop doing

880
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: what needs to be done.

881
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 5: So the unfortunate part again is that there will be

882
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 5: continuously these cell of people who follow around the ice agents.

883
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 5: And the way that it's been documented is how they're

884
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 5: doing it, and the coordination and the sacred little signals

885
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 5: operations that they have, and the code names, and the

886
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 5: way they've got the city into grids, and the possibility

887
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: that they're getting in real time the drivers or the

888
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: auto places of the vehicles that tells them it's ice.

889
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 5: I mean, it's extraordinarily coordinated and it's not you know.

890
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: A couple of wine moms who see.

891
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 5: A truck had decide to go out soude and side

892
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 5: and bang on a pot. It's all part of a

893
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 5: very very sophisticated operation with tentacles. They go back to

894
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 5: organizations that we actually are not having the country's best

895
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 5: interest at heart. They'd love a color revolution out of this,

896
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 5: but they're not going to get one. So the mood now,

897
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 5: the mood now, I can't say. There was a bruhaha

898
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 5: and a local hotel last night where they went after it,

899
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 5: but it was a different police force.

900
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: It wasn't many, as we.

901
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: Answered my question. That was the Maple whatever Ridge Front Mountain,

902
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: Maple Growth, Maple Grow police force, and they just brought

903
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 1: the tackles, the offensive line and pulling guards. Took down

904
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: ten demonstrators with twenty four police officers and that was

905
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: the end of that. Because obviously somebody knows that the

906
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Maple Grove Hotel knows the mayor.

907
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 5: They were banging on the side of the thing with shovels,

908
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 5: which is a very Minnesota thing to do. I actually

909
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 5: had to smile before I was completely disgusted by it.

910
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: It really is.

911
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, we want to just petelt ludifisk

912
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 5: at the windows and have that stuff d you know,

913
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 5: slimy drip down.

914
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they weren't playing in the sense.

915
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 5: The Minneapolis cops stand back because it's not a sanctuary city.

916
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: That's great, that's great.

917
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 5: They also deployed an l RAD system I believe it's called,

918
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 5: which is one of those things that makes you feel uncomfortable,

919
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 5: probably like a TEAMU or a play school version of

920
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: the one that was used in Venezuela.

921
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: But that's a different set of tactics.

922
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 5: So if they're starting to push back against letting these

923
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 5: people just absolutely control, try to control the situation, great,

924
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 5: that would be good, but they're not getting that from

925
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 5: the mayor. What the mayor is saying, of course, is

926
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: that he met with Holman and that they have to

927
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 5: end the surge as quickly as possible because it's the

928
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 5: tactics that are sowing division.

929
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 7: Now.

930
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard specifically what the mayor said,

931
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: did you No.

932
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 5: Okay, what he said was, we have the end metro

933
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 5: search as quickly as possible.

934
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: This is his tweet.

935
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 5: Public safety works best when it's built on community trust,

936
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 5: not tactics that create fear or division. Well, it's a

937
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: platitude and it's twaddled. But in one sense, communities say

938
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: public safety requires a certain amount of fear in the

939
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 5: mysteriants that they're going to be apprehended, but the idea

940
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: that community and trust in the rest of it will

941
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 5: somehow result in the easy acquisition of really bad ombres

942
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 5: out there is nonsense. He's mad that they're going in

943
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 5: and that it's paramilitary and they look scary and they.

944
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 3: Have their faces up and all the rest of it.

945
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 5: But the fact of the matter is that this is

946
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: being done under the Obama administration, and nobody would have

947
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 5: linked once.

948
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: Where did Jacob bry go to college? Because I'm wondering

949
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: what happened to the Pete Bootage, Jacob fry pod Brothers generation.

950
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: That they can't answer a question with anything resembling a

951
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: specificity and resolve. I mean, just say no, we're not

952
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: going to we're not going to work with them, or yes,

953
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: we will do the detainers and then explain why that

954
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: was problem.

955
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 5: What you read to me, Yeah, well, it's a generation

956
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 5: that just speaks and stuff that has to that. It

957
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 5: sounds like it's been run through HR for the appropriate

958
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 5: amount of platitudes. But he said he also made it

959
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 5: clear that Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal

960
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 5: immigration laws and that we and we will remain focused

961
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 5: on keeping our neighbors and streets safe. So he believes

962
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 5: this is part and parcel that not enforcing federal immigration

963
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 5: laws is part and parcel of keeping neighborhoods safe, despite

964
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 5: the fact that they're rolling up some people who ought

965
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 5: not to be here and do very bad things. So

966
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 5: it's gas. It's just all gash nonsense.

967
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Okay, he went to William and Mary. He was a

968
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: lawyer at Villanova. I knew that he learned his law

969
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: school at Villanova. I think he is forty four years old,

970
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: So he really is in the demo of perplexed. They

971
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: are perpetually perplexed by everything that the Iranians perplexed them,

972
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: so they sent them bags of gold and the jcpoa.

973
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 3: Pallats of cash. What in the.

974
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: World is wrong with that generation? They should not be

975
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: allowed to run anything. Is he running for governor?

976
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 3: No, not that I know of, and he wouldn't win.

977
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 5: Part of the problem is this, this difficulty in grappling

978
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 5: with human nature, the sort of.

979
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: Belief that there actually are.

980
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 5: Deviations within populations, that there are hierarchies of intelligences and

981
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 5: cultures and the rest of it, and that everybody is

982
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 5: actually pretty much cut from the same cloth, and if

983
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 5: you just drop them here in Minneapolis, then they're going

984
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 5: to become productive citizens and some magic will happening.

985
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: It's all great.

986
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 5: So attacking the very idea of singling out somebody because

987
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 5: they did not come through the legal channels, it strikes

988
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 5: them as as as an untenable intellectual position. It's not

989
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 5: what a good person thinks. A good person believes that

990
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 5: borders are a construct. They're letting anybody in whatsoever is

991
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: perfectly fine, and that once in, everybody should have opportunities

992
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 5: that are equal to everybody else.

993
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: When it comes from the public's funding's funding, when it comes.

994
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: To a game of suggests, when it comes to public schools,

995
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: Lilac can't go anywhere. During the break, you might want

996
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: to look up because I want to ask you what's

997
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: the difference in demographics between mapel Grove, which took on

998
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: the mob effectively, and Minneapolis, which didn't. When I come

999
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: back to the herere at Shovel Morgan back America, I'm

1000
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett Lilac, my guest. As in James Lilacs dot

1001
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: substack dot com. Humor is extraordinary but also very perceptive

1002
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: social commentator when he feels like it. James maple Grove

1003
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: wanted no part of the ICE organized demonstration, so they

1004
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: arrested them all, took them away. Minneapolis doesn't show up.

1005
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: What's a difference in the demographics of the community.

1006
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 3: Well, demographics look like this.

1007
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: When you go north to Minneapolis, you get you tend

1008
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 5: to get more into African American neighborhoods.

1009
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: When you get beyond that, you get the.

1010
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 5: First ring of the suburbs, the old post war suburbs,

1011
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 5: which have been going through changes over the years. They're

1012
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 5: once more exclusively white. They are not anymore. It's changing

1013
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 5: in interesting ways. Brooklyn Center, which is up there, is

1014
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 5: I think something like the most diversity in the state.

1015
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 5: It's like twenty five percent, twenty five percent, twenty five percent,

1016
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 5: twenty five percent, and then Brooklyn Park next to that

1017
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 5: is a little less. So by the time you get

1018
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 5: to Maple Grove it's about eighty percent white. The farther

1019
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 5: you move out of the city and you get to

1020
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: the exurbs, it's mostly white and relatively more conservative, but

1021
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 5: by a Minnesota model, I mean Minnesota conservatives are pretty

1022
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 5: dark purple. To the south of me you have it

1023
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 5: allmost repeated a little bit. The suburb to the south

1024
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: of me, Richfield, is heavily is increasingly Hispanic in the

1025
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 5: last few years, as they build and as they move

1026
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: in and they buy homes and start families and all

1027
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 5: the rest of it the American dream. And I actually

1028
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 5: haven't heard an awful lot of action that's gone on

1029
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 5: down in Richfield. I mean that neighborhood every day practically,

1030
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 5: and there's no disorder. There's no tweeting whistles, there's no

1031
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 5: APC's going through the streets.

1032
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: So I can't say, but that's what it is.

1033
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: You go farther north, you get, the more diverse you

1034
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 5: get until it starts to change, and then it becomes

1035
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 5: white in the excerbs and white as the general state

1036
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 5: is now.

1037
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: You're been a lot of exceptions. You know, I both

1038
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: know because you've co hosted with me. When I've gone

1039
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: to the Minneapolis or the Minnesota State Fair. Everybody goes

1040
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: to the fair, right, everybody goes to the fair. Are

1041
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: the people in the watch Ice, attack, Ice, disrupt ice

1042
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: groups ever going to get visit the butter Princess Room.

1043
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: Are they going to go to the fair?

1044
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: Or I guarantee well, I guarantee it.

1045
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 5: The people who live here who are showing up at

1046
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 5: the protests, who are on the little signal chats who

1047
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 5: are blowing the whistles and doing the rest of it. Absolutely,

1048
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 5: I would expect to see them show up at the

1049
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 5: fair because the Fair is one of the strange things

1050
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 5: that binds us all together. And it's regardless of your

1051
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 5: political disposition. People go there because it's Minnesota, and a

1052
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 5: lot of the people who are doing these things and

1053
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 5: showing up in the street corners and protesting and the

1054
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: rest of it love Minnesota. They're doing it out of

1055
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 5: what they believe to be in altruistic sense. So yes,

1056
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 5: the people who are coming from elsewhere have no interest

1057
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 5: whatsoever in anything in Minnesotan or the Fair, or the

1058
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 5: lakes or the loons. They're here to bring about the

1059
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 5: social change that they think is absolutely necessary.

1060
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 6: No events.

1061
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: Culture Woodstock, Kent State. Yeah, George Floyd did not change

1062
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: the culture of Minnesota. It made it more blue. Is

1063
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: this event going to make it more blue or less blue?

1064
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: Well?

1065
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 5: Again, do you want me to go on vibe from

1066
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 5: Twitter or do you want me to go from my

1067
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 5: own experience?

1068
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: Here?

1069
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 5: Vibe from Twitter as a lot of people saying, you know,

1070
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: I was on the fence about a lot of this stuff,

1071
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 5: but having seen what I've seen.

1072
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely going to vote for every single socialist program

1073
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: that comes down the pike. And I don't believe that.

1074
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 5: Would it be mean that Minnesota, that Minneapolis turns more

1075
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 5: blue and gets more push to the left. I'm not

1076
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 5: sure that's possible, actually, because right now it's you know,

1077
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 5: the Democratic socialist government and people who are generally blue,

1078
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 5: blue blue as can be. I don't know how they're

1079
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 5: gonna get any bluer unless you know, they replace their

1080
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 5: blood with the windshield wiper. So it's not going to

1081
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 5: change that the composition of Minneapolis. What it changes, what

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Speaker 5: it enforces, unfortunately, is the perception of Minneapolis, which has

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Speaker 5: gotten so bad and really is inaccurate.

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Speaker 3: It really isn't.

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Speaker 5: But you know, we've sort of deserved the number of

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Speaker 5: holes that we have in our feet from gunfire. So

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Speaker 5: it'll take a long time for the city.

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Speaker 1: After the Cuyahoga River on fire. For the rest of

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00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: my life, I've heard about the Cyhoga River catching on fire,

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Speaker 1: and right there are there are events and weeks and

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: events that and then Nick Dime Beer Knight at the

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Speaker 1: Stadium when there was a mob that almost killed David

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00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: Clyde Cleveland had a very bad rap for a long

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Speaker 1: Minnesota treading on those territories just becoming and no goes

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Speaker 1: on for the rest of the country.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's worse because social media has amplified it

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Speaker 5: and because it becomes the thing that you say, I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't go to Minneapolis if you paid me. It's a

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Speaker 5: hell hole in smogadishu and the rest of it is like,

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Speaker 5: you know, I look at that and I just think, Okay, fine,

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Speaker 5: you're scared.

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Speaker 3: You're scared.

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Speaker 5: There are people in South Dakota, rural South Dakota who

1104
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 5: are scared to go to Sioux Falls for whatever reason.

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00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: Stay where you are.

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00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 5: But the idea that it's an that it's an unsafe

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00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 5: place to be based on what you've seen, isn't true.

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Speaker 3: It's a big, big, big city and I love it here.

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Speaker 5: And the only reason that I'm you know, I'm leaving

1110
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Speaker 5: for different reasons, but I'm not moving away very far.

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00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: I'm moving like ten blocks from the city border.

1112
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 5: So if you know, if it's engulfed in complete social chaos,

1113
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 5: it'll come to my place too.

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00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: James is going to stick around, because what do we do.

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 3: It's a beauty.

1116
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: Are you going to play around of what did President

1117
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: Trump mean with me? When we come back? It's a

1118
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: fun game and it takes someone with Lilac's agility to

1119
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: play it. So stay tuned for what did President Trump

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Speaker 1: mean with Lilac's next on the UU check we go

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Speaker 1: back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. James Lylyx is doing double

1122
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Speaker 1: triple duty with me today, Lyles says in James lylys

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Speaker 1: dot substack dot com is up in Minneso. Cool because uh,

1124
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: Dwayne dumped a bunch of the president's presser in Iowa

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Speaker 1: or walk about in Iowa on me. I need you

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Speaker 1: to help me translate. Cut number twenty one, James, this

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00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: is President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Some of your own.

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00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 8: Administration officials have labeled out this ABC thing?

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Speaker 3: Is this one?

1131
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 6: She hasn't asked me.

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 8: She hasn't asked me a good question in years. I

1133
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 8: think a nice woman, but I don't really like her

1134
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 8: too much. Go ahead, what you said, I'd say ABC

1135
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 8: is about as bad as they can President.

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00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: Would you like to see the dollars? All right? As

1137
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I stop, James, what's the president doing there?

1138
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: I believe that he's asserting that he does not believe

1139
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 5: the premacy legitimacy and the unassailable quality of the mainstream media.

1140
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 5: And frankly, I'm shocked that somebody would say that in

1141
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, especially President Trump.

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00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: That's what he's back to the machine shed restaurant gaggle

1143
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: in Des Moines, cut twenty two.

1144
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Speaker 8: So you know, I'm going around, and I'm going around

1145
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 8: because hopefully we win the midterms. And it's very scary

1146
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 8: because like it's two out of fifty years or something

1147
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 8: like that. For some reason when a president wins, Republican

1148
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 8: or Democrat, even if they're a good president, and hopefully

1149
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 8: I'm a great president based on the first year.

1150
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 6: We had a great first term too. People don't.

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00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 8: We rebuilt our military, we had phenomenal financial levers.

1152
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 6: But I think this term is blowing away.

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00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 8: Really every time traditionally when a president gets elected, out

1154
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 8: of I think fifty years, they've had two. One I

1155
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 8: don't understand it had too so we have to and

1156
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 8: one was by unusual circumstance. So there's something psychological if

1157
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Speaker 8: you win the president and whether you're a Republican or Democrat.

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Speaker 6: With that being said, the polls look very good.

1159
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 8: Everything looks very good, and you have great congressmen here

1160
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Speaker 8: with congressmen and women here, and we love Iowa.

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Speaker 1: All right.

1162
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 5: James commentary, Well, what he's saying is, if we get

1163
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 5: selected in the mid terms, it's this historical inevitability because

1164
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 5: forty edit of the last fifty times, that's exactly what's happened.

1165
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Speaker 3: It's like the tide comes in and the tide goes out.

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Speaker 3: The people do this, and the people do that.

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 5: But if it doesn't happen, that's great because it shouldn't

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00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 5: happen because I was good and I was good and

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00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 5: I did this thing right, and it shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: But if it does, its history, I mean, that's exactly right. Basically,

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00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm very easy to understand. I'm defying the law that

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00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: he's difficult to understand. Cut number twenty three at the

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00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: machine shed gaggle playing, Well, we're going to.

1174
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 6: See what happens with Cuba. Did anybody interested in Cuban

1175
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 6: in this room? Not too many. This is not a

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 6: Cuba room, But that's all right.

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Speaker 8: There are plenty of them around, especially in Miami, and

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Speaker 8: Cuba will be failing pretty soon. Cuba is really a

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Speaker 8: nation that's very close to family. You're talking about you know,

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01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 8: they got that money from.

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01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 6: Venezuela, and they got the oil from Venezuela. They're not

1182
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 6: getting that anymore.

1183
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Speaker 1: Okay, James, this is not a Cuba room.

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01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, I probably is not a Cuba room.

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01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: But I mean, what he's reminding us is that Cuba

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01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 5: is next on the agenda. Is that we've gone from

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Speaker 5: Venezuela to Greenland to Cuba. And I've heard this a

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 5: little bit, and it's interesting because when you say Cuba

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01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 5: is next, it makes people think, wait a minute, did

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 5: did what happened with green what happened with Venezuela? And

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 5: it's that sort of kinetic flow that just keeps you

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01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 5: off balance and looking forward as opposed to looking back

1193
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 5: at the other things, which resolved was great, best time ever.

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01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 5: So I mean, when he's somebody mentions it and he's

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01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: just reminding us it's on the platter, and it's on

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Speaker 5: the platter in unspecified ways.

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01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: Jim, do you agree with me that if Jijinping does

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01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: the very unwise thing and tries to attack Taiwan, Cuba's

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Speaker 1: number comes up immediately and Donarden first goes there.

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Speaker 5: I hadn't really thought of that before. I really hadn't,

1201
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 5: but it's entirely possible. It's it's suck outside of the

1202
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 5: roma possibility.

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: Do we want to do that? Do we need to

1204
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 3: do that? Necessarily?

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01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 5: Is what's happening in China right now. And all the

1206
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 5: reshuffling and the little internal dynamics. Shuffling is the very words.

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01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: That's a very gentle word. Yeah, reshuffling going on in

1208
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: Joe Stalin's.

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01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, pory, yeah, poor.

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01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: Uh so the organizations different now.

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Speaker 3: Jed ted Bundy was reshuffled this morning in a chair

1212
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Speaker 3: in the right. I mean if that means that he's

1213
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: getting ready to do something, or that he's dealing with

1214
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 3: the Richalcitan generals who don't want to we don't know.

1215
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 3: We'll see.

1216
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 5: The opacity of China and it's it's ruling red families

1217
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 5: is a mystery to me and I wish I would

1218
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 5: I knew better about it. But that's interesting. It's just

1219
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 5: reminding you that to keep your eyes focused. And I mean,

1220
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Speaker 5: if he could, if he could effect the change in

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01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 5: government in Cuba in such a way that redoubted to

1222
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 5: the benefit of the people, that would be a good thing.

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Speaker 3: As it was in Venezulta.

1224
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: The real estate developer in him wants all that land. Okay,

1225
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: let me go to twenty four. Last Donald Trump cut

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01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: from today. Cut twenty four.

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Speaker 8: Remember we secured the border. Crime is down all over

1228
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 8: the country. We just had a crime report coming out

1229
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 8: from I think one of the networks which they hate

1230
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 8: to hear this with crime is the lowest number ever recorded.

1231
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Speaker 8: So I said, I don't know which we've talked about Minnesota,

1232
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 8: but in Minnesota you probably read the crime is way down.

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 8: You know why because we took out thousands of criminals

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Speaker 8: out of Minnesota and that's why it's good.

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: So anyway, but.

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Speaker 6: Com Homan is over there. We all love time.

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01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I never we met with the governor, met with

1238
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 8: a Marria's going to meet with a merry guests and

1239
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 8: it's it's going very well.

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01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 6: But remember this, even Minnesota. The crime is down down.

1241
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: In Minnesota, James, your crime is down. Did you know that.

1242
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: Even in Minnesota? And again that's the ref that we

1243
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: have is the Rep. Detroit crime is down. I mean,

1244
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 3: oh my god. Well, first of all, I mean this

1245
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: is this is standard politics.

1246
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 5: Is what presidents do. I'm tough on crime. Crime is

1247
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 5: down there for my policies, work. You can attribute a

1248
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 5: lot of it to the border being closed. You can

1249
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 5: attribute a lot of it to that. You can then

1250
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 5: turn around and say, well, wait a minute, we thought

1251
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 5: the crime was low because the cities weren't reporting it,

1252
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 5: And that's a possibility there.

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01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: You can say that the people.

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01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 5: Who were removed from Minnesota were not out there actually

1255
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 5: doing an awful lot of crime themselves.

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: That they were.

1257
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 5: They may have had bad things they did, but they

1258
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 5: weren't every day engaging in rapiant criminality.

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01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: But you know, what, do you exactly what you expect

1260
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 3: politicians to say. He said I was tough on crime.

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: Crime is down to draw the conclusions.

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01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: But is crime diamonds again? The Cuyahoga River on fire

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: thing sticks with people from Ohio and I Minnesota is

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01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: getting branded as we speak. Is crime down there?

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01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 5: Well, if it may be for the for the time,

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 5: it's simply because it's too cold to actually do a

1267
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 5: lot of criming. I mean, it's been about you know,

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01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 5: fourteen below in session, so your miscre intends to stay home.

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 5: The criminality will probably surge in the spring, in the summer,

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 5: in the warm, in the clement times. But the sense

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01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 5: of the sense of disorder crime wise seems to have

1272
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 5: abaited a bit a lot since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: So criming with somedto God is also and you can't

1274
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: go to the VA. There's no criming at the fair either,

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Speaker 1: as I recall.

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 6: Yes there is, Yes there is.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately that's the tragedy of it.

1278
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: But that's another shale in the chocolate chip buckets. Really

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Speaker 1: I don't know. James Wiolights dot substat dot com, James

1280
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: Lyle that substack dot com. Welcome back to America. I'm

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Speaker 1: Hugh Hewett, joined by Michael Duncan, one of the fellas

1282
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: on the Ruthless Podcast, himself a Hoosier and congratulations Michael,

1283
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you are a proud Hoosier.

1284
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: With the national crown being taken from Ohio across the

1286
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: state line, congratulations to your friend.

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Speaker 9: Thank you very much. I mean, I think bigger than

1288
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 9: Indiana's just a great story for college football. You know,

1289
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 9: doubted the whole way, losing his program in the history

1290
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 9: of college football and somehow national champions So anybody out

1291
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 9: there listening, if you think your team doesn't have a shot,

1292
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 9: you know they might.

1293
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: Well that that's a nice way to spin it. The

1294
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: other way to spin it is Mark Cuban unloaded the

1295
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Speaker 1: Dallas Mavericks and bought the Hoosiers, and just hold.

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Speaker 9: On, hold on, hold on here, you hold on how

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Speaker 9: Miami was paying Carson Beck what four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying there are other

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Speaker 1: people out there spending billions on their college team. But

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Speaker 1: Mark Cuban is a good businessman. Buys low and he

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Speaker 1: sells high.

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Speaker 9: But just don't expect okay, last well, fine, you all

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Speaker 9: I'm saying is the reason why they were so doubted.

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Speaker 9: All these transfers that Kurtz Signetti brought from JMU, and

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Speaker 9: everybody said, oh, well, these kids can't compete in the

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Speaker 9: Big ten. They go and they win the Big Ten,

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Speaker 9: and then people said, well, they'll never be able to

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Speaker 9: match up against the powerhouse of the SEC. And then

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Speaker 9: they throttled Alabama and then they win the national championship.

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Speaker 9: And so all these kids, those kids who were doubted,

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Speaker 9: the zero star kids, are now national champions You.

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Speaker 1: Know, kids who was like twenty eight. Some of them

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Speaker 1: were on medicare I think, but I don't mind. I

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Speaker 1: don't mind. They're Big ten. And by the way, isn't

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Speaker 1: the SEC. So Mid that's what Doug lay Murray is

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Speaker 1: our football expert, because Mid they're just not really a

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Speaker 1: conference anymore than anyone wants to be in. It's all

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Speaker 1: in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 9: Now, yeah, that's right. And finally, you know, you're I

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Speaker 9: know you're a Ohio guy, so I'm glad we have

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Speaker 9: some solidarity here in the Big Ten.

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Speaker 7: We do.

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Speaker 1: Ohio basically allowed Indiana to be to leave, and it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like when there's a subdivision in a neighborhood

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Speaker 1: and we let them go over and take all the

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Speaker 1: flat land. By the way, if you have to give

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Speaker 1: a list of five tourist attractions in Indiana, rattle them

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Speaker 1: off for me, will you.

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Speaker 9: Okay, So, first of all, obviously the Indianapolis Motor Speedway,

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Speaker 9: the Indy five hund that's one day.

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Speaker 3: It's like one of the.

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Speaker 9: Uh yeah, but you know it's the largest single day

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Speaker 9: sporting event in the world.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: That's that's not a tourist attraction. That's a sporting event.

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Speaker 1: That's different. I mean, do we go and see the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Coliseum as well when it's empty.

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Speaker 9: Hugh, It is not a sporting attraction. It's a religious

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Speaker 9: event being on that track.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we'll give you a half. What's next, I mean,

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Speaker 1: where do we go?

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Speaker 9: Well, we're going to go to Saint Elmos Steakhouse and

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Speaker 9: we are going to get the shrimp cocktail with a

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Speaker 9: super spicy horse Radish cocktail sauce.

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Speaker 1: Really, we went from a one day event to a

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Speaker 1: steakhouse for the Indiana attractions. Don't they have a theme park?

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Speaker 9: Okay, well, we don't need theme parks because what we

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Speaker 9: have is Coliseums of Sport. Next, we're going to go

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Speaker 9: ahead to Lucas Oil and we're gonna go watch the

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Speaker 9: Indianapolis Colts, a wonderful football franchise with a storied history.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Philip Rivers is going to transfer

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Speaker 1: to IU and the lower the age of the IU

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Speaker 1: people over there. Let's get the important stuff. Let's get

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Speaker 1: to your podcast this morning. You guys ran the Senate map.

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Speaker 1: You ran the map, and I'm glad you did. My

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Speaker 1: assessment generally concurs with yours, but I am not complacent

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Speaker 1: about Ohio. I have John Houston on the show almost

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Speaker 1: weekly because I'm a buck eye and Sheard Brown basically

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Speaker 1: is a vampire, right He lives in the dark off

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Speaker 1: of government jobs. He went from Yale right to the

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Speaker 1: state legislature and spent fifty years in the government. And

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Speaker 1: he's not dead yet. We didn't use the garlic. We

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Speaker 1: didn't we didn't get a mirror.

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Speaker 9: What do you think, Well, that is the grand irony, Hugh,

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Speaker 9: you alluded to it. This guy's never had a real

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Speaker 9: job in his life. But in every campaign ad or

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Speaker 9: campaign stop, you see him without a blazer and his

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Speaker 9: sleeves rolled up. And suddenly people in Ohio seem to

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Speaker 9: think this is a working class man, and of course

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Speaker 9: he's not. And he's far to the left. He's the

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Speaker 9: Bernie Sanders of Ohio. But he's hoodwinked the people of

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Speaker 9: Ohio before, and so we do definitely have to watch

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Speaker 9: that race.

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Speaker 1: There is no media in Ohio. This is the sad

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Speaker 1: fact that The Inquirer is down to nothing, The Playing

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Speaker 1: Dealer is down to its sports section. They're all left

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Speaker 1: with leaning. There's just no media on that. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm a little bit worried. We'll keep bringing

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Speaker 1: Houston on.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The key question of the day, Michael, the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: has a problem in Minnesota. It's a perception problem. The

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Speaker 1: polling is on both sides. People don't want criminal, illegal

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Speaker 1: aliens wore violent in the country, and they don't like

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Speaker 1: what ICE is doing. Does President Trump retreat from Minnesota

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Speaker 1: or does he double down?

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Speaker 9: I really hope he doubles down. I think retreat would

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Speaker 9: send the wrong message. And it's the lesson that the

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Speaker 9: left learned after twenty twenty is just if they riot

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Speaker 9: and obstruct enough, that will give in. And unfortunately, Joe

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Speaker 9: Biden led in twenty million people into this country illegally,

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Speaker 9: and so it's going to be difficult to undo all

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Speaker 9: of that, and they're hoping that we get discouraged and

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Speaker 9: doing it. I don't say that to disregard the political

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Speaker 9: optics of this entire thing. It's going to be difficult

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Speaker 9: because the Left is insistent on making it as painful

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Speaker 9: as possible for us. And this tragedy is terrible, right

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Speaker 9: that somebody was shot and killed during this skirmish with

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Speaker 9: ICE agents, But I mean, what is the administration doing

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Speaker 9: to put forward exactly what the ICE agents were doing

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Speaker 9: at the time. Who are the criminals they were arresting.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the perception, I think is that we have

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Speaker 9: this sort of vacuum. I think on the right of

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Speaker 9: not explaining enough about what ICE is doing and the

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Speaker 9: terrible criminals that they're getting off the streets of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Let me play for you in it. On the White

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Speaker 1: House lawn this morning, getting a question about Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: Secretary no home cut number ten.

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Speaker 3: I think he's doing a very good job.

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Speaker 5: I think he's going a very good job.

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Speaker 8: The border is totally secure, you know, you forget we

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Speaker 8: had a border that I inherited where millions of people

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Speaker 8: were coming through.

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Speaker 1: Now that's just all The key part is is she

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Speaker 1: doing a very good job? Do you agree? And do

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Speaker 1: you think he will stay there? Because the President's been

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Speaker 1: known to change his mind rather rapidly.

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Speaker 9: I think she is doing a great job, and it's

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Speaker 9: easy to look past all the success of this administration

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Speaker 9: has had on the issue of border security. I also

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Speaker 9: noticed that the President is bringing in Tom Homan, and

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Speaker 9: I think bringing in Tom Homan, I think is a

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Speaker 9: good sign that we're getting somebody with a lot of

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Speaker 9: experience to be in there on the ground to make

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Speaker 9: sure the operations are effective. Reminder, Hugh, it was Tom

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Speaker 9: Homan who was given an award by Barack Obama when

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Speaker 9: he deported a million people. Yeah, right, And so this

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Speaker 9: used to be a bipartisan issue that we got criminal

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Speaker 9: legal aliens off of our streets, but lost their mind

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Speaker 9: during the age of Donald Trump, and hopefully we can

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Speaker 9: reverse some of that now.

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Speaker 1: Last question, not the president's a great communicator, best interview

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Speaker 1: in America. I hope he does it right along with

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Speaker 1: the fellows on Ruthless podcast before much longer. But not

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Speaker 1: everyone in the White House is a great communicator. Do

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Speaker 1: you think he tends to overlook the deficiencies of his friends?

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Speaker 9: Wow, that's a really good question, Hugh. It's possible. It's possible. Look,

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Speaker 9: it's difficult when you're dealing with these complicated issues and

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Speaker 9: you have to be out there every single day fighting

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Speaker 9: a media who's against you, a radical left that's well

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Speaker 9: funded and against you, and so yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 9: definitely think it's a communications issue at some level that

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Speaker 9: we have to be out there proactively telling the story

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Speaker 9: of what this administration is doing to get criminal legal

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Speaker 9: aliens off the streets. Who are these people? These are

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Speaker 9: people who've trafficked human beings, these are people who are

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Speaker 9: selling drugs, these are pedophiles. I mean, these are people

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Speaker 9: who've done domestic assaults, and instead we're doing this a

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Speaker 9: bruder film on this interaction with the ice officers in

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Speaker 9: this horrible tragedy. And so it feels like, you know,

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Speaker 9: the left has already won the debate by us engaging

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Speaker 9: with it that way. People who are obstructing justice, people

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Speaker 9: who are obstructing law enforcement from doing their lawful duty

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Speaker 9: to get criminals off the street, shouldn't be anywhere near

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Speaker 9: those cops.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, go listen to the Ruthless Podcast this morning. They

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Speaker 1: on the Texas Senate race, John Cornyn's dilemma and David, First,

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Speaker 1: let's have you recite the facts before I ask him

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Speaker 1: my questions about it, because I got a lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm a corn and backer, I have a Cornyn endorser.

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Speaker 1: I love John Cornyan. But you wrote objectively you always

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Speaker 1: do about the race, tell people about it.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, what makes Texas interesting in twenty twenty

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Speaker 10: six is not because I think the Democrats can flip it,

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Speaker 10: although you never rule anything out, but it's highly unlikely.

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Speaker 3: But what is happening is this Republican primary for Senate.

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Speaker 10: Where John corn is being challenged by both Ken Paxton,

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Speaker 10: the state attorney general, and Wesley Hunt, a congressman from Houston.

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Speaker 10: And you know, Cornyn is always won easily. I mean,

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Speaker 10: he works really hard, he doesn't take anything for granted,

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Speaker 10: but he's just never really faced a challenge.

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Speaker 3: He's either at the general election or primary levels.

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Speaker 10: And as the party has changed, you know, his political

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Speaker 10: standing has just gotten a lot dicier because he's not

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Speaker 10: the sort of combative populist who spends a lot of

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Speaker 10: time on cable news or social media, although he does

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01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 10: tweet a lot, and he authors his own posts on

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01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 10: x and so he's just he's not stylistically where a

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01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 10: lot of Republican primary voters are now, and he's in a.

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 3: Real dogfight for his career. Packson has led in most polls.

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01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 3: It's been narrow lately, but he's still up narrowly.

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Speaker 10: And what we think is going to happen is that

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01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 10: it's going to be a Ken Paxton, John corn And

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 10: runoff because Texas has that rule where if you don't

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 10: get fifty percent plus one, you head to a runoff.

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 10: So there's a March third primary, it's coming up. There's

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01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 10: a May twenty sixth runoff. Just about everybody I talked

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01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 10: to and i'm hunt will make the runoff. And these

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01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 10: are lower turnout affairs. They're lower turnout than the actual primary. Now,

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 10: some people tell me that because they are going to

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 10: be quite a few runoffs sprinkled throughout the state for

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01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 10: various offices, that maybe this runoff.

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01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: Won't be as low turnout as normal. But I think the.

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01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 10: Bottom line here is what Cornyn told me when I

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 10: sat down with him in ol Passo last week, is

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01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 10: that his race is going to be a real test

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01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 10: for whether and this was his These were his words,

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01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 10: whether a normal Texas Texas conservative Republican can.

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01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: Win a primary. And I think he's right.

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01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 10: I think it's going to say a lot about where

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 10: the party is, particularly because Paxton has so many scandals

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 10: swirling around him that are you know, we say allegations,

1534
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 10: but I mean these things are pretty well known and

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 10: pretty documented that it would really say quite a lot

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01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 10: if Paxton was able to beat him.

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01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: Now, I've sat on the show many times. It won't

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: surprise my listeners. And we're on right now in every

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: major market in Texas right now, John Cornyn is a

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01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: layup reelection because you can't be more conservative on a

1541
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: voting record than John Corny. You can't support Trump any

1542
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: more than John Cornan has supported President Trump. There is

1543
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,520
Speaker 1: no room to his right. There is only the identity

1544
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: is combative politics. But in the Senate, where everything is

1545
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 1: based on seniority, you don't trade in someone at the

1546
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: top of the food chain for someone who will be

1547
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the food chain and will never

1548
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,560
Speaker 1: get off of the bottom because of his age. So

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01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't think Congressman Hunt's going to win. I do

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 1: think it will be a runoff, and I do think

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01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: John Cornyan will win easily because I think Texas voters

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: are smart and I don't know, I don't know how

1553
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: much money Ken Paxton is right, they got nothing against Ken.

1554
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: I know all the baggage that you refer to in

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01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: your article. I know in detail. I'm not going to

1556
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,520
Speaker 1: trade in it. I just I just think it's absurd

1557
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: to spend the money for the Republicans there, that John

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01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 1: Thune's got to spend money of the Senate majority pack

1559
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: defending his buddy John Cornyn, because that's what senators do,

1560
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: and it's going to be John corn eventually, and we're

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01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: going to waste all this money. How much do you

1562
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: think Corny's going to have to spend in these two races,

1563
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: the March third primary and then the runoff, Right, So.

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01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 10: The pro corn and forces have already spent anywhere from

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 10: fifty to seventy million dollars, ending on what kind of

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 10: accounting you're doing, and I think he's going to have

1567
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 10: to spend another good, you know, twenty five to fifty

1568
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 10: million dollars to really make his case against Paxton. Because

1569
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 10: the thing is a lot of voters don't know about

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01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 10: the allegations, and this is the this is the only

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01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 10: way they're going to beat him, right, because the points

1572
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 10: you're making about seniority and the fact that his record

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01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 10: actually does match well with President Trump. He has not

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 10: voted against Trump. The knock on Cornin from voters I

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01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 10: talked to in Texas is that, well, you know, when

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01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 10: there's been a Democrat In fact, I one voter is

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 10: in the story, Michael Sheridan is his name, and he said,

1578
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 10: you know, his voting record with President Trump is quite good. Actually,

1579
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 10: the problem is when we had Joe Biden or Barack

1580
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 10: Obama in office, he got soft. And of course Cornyon's

1581
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 10: a legislator who occasionally will take tough votes but is

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01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,799
Speaker 10: trying to do, from his perspective, whatever he can wherever

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01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 10: he can. And when Democrats control one branch of government

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01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 10: or all branches of government, that just means that unless

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01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 10: you're just going to be a blanket no and never

1586
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 10: be involved, your record is not going to look as

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,879
Speaker 10: good as when Republicans are in full control of the government.

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01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 10: And that's something, however, that a lot of voters. It's

1589
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,759
Speaker 10: not that they can't understand it, you because voters are smart,

1590
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 10: but they understand.

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01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: That Paxton could lose. That's the key. Paxton could lose

1592
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: because you've got so much baggage that will that will

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: turn ay. Voters should just want to avoid the ads

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01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: that are coming their way against Ken Paxton in November.

1595
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: But if it's Ken Paxton as the nominee, Act Blue

1596
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: will raise I don't know how many millions of dollars,

1597
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: but they'll spend them all in the major media markets

1598
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: just hammering Ken Paxton for the next six months, won't they. Yeah.

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 10: So that's the other piece of this is even in

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01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 10: a rough midterm cycle, Texas should be fine, but if

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 10: you have a highly flawed nominee. What Republicans that support

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01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 10: Cornyn are saying, and I think there's some truth to this,

1603
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 10: is that if you end up with not just a

1604
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 10: rough midterm election, but a rougher the normal midterm election,

1605
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 10: which is possible at this point, then Texas becomes a

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01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 10: little bit less red. And in this case, all of

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01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 10: a sudden, Paxton is not a lock. And on top

1608
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 10: of it, to make sure he doesn't lose, Republicans are

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01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 10: going to have to pour tens of millions of dollars

1610
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 10: into that race that they could otherwise spend elsewhere. And

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01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 10: from the Democratic Party's perspective, I mean they also should

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 10: be more strategic I think about how they spend their money.

1613
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 10: But if Paxton's the nominee, then you can't blame them

1614
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 10: for going after him and seeing if they go off

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 10: a miracle.

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01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 1: Now that that is the proverbial late developing race that

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01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: we all know will develop into a neck and neck race,

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 1: and posters will have whoever their Tasmin Crockett or the

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: other guy, the Presbyterian pastor they'll have. Yeah, they'll have

1620
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: them ahead in every poll because that's what's going to happen.

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01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: And then more money will pour into Texas and they'll

1622
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: watch even more negative ads about Ken Paxton all because

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean miss as opposed to service to the country.

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01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: I really don't understand Ken Paxton or Wesley Hunt here

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01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: because John Cornyn is this conservative. It's good piece, very

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01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: good piece by a David Drucker in The Dispatch, which

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01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: you ought to be reading. It's a fine, fine journal

1628
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: of politics and opinion out of DC The Dispatch dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Drucker.