1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: We want Iran's leadership to have no ability to threaten 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: the United States or its allies. 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: Isroeller the air war. 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: We want Iran's leadership really ultimately to collect. We want 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: the Iranian people to rise up. We have breaking news 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: out of the Middle East, out of the Epicenter. President 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Trump has decided to cancel, to scrap the Memorandum of 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: understanding the ceasefire with Iran because Iran is not complying. 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: What does this mean? How should Christians pray? President Trump 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: has already ordered US forces to attack more than eighty 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: military sites in Iran. This is the biggest escalation since 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: the war went into a ceasefire. We're going to take 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: a look at it in this breaking news edition of 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Inside the Epicenter. 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: HI. 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: This is Joel Rosenberg in Jerusalem, and I want to 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: just kind of walk you through what is happening and 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: my analysis and how Christians should pray. We just published 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: an article a column that I did, a news analysis 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: on All Israel News late on Wednesday afternoon. The headline 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: was Evangelicals should be glad President Trump is getting much 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: tougher with Iran. His deal was way too generous and 23 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Tehran could never be trusted and now we must pray 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: without ceasing again. This is Joel Rosenberg in Jerusalem with 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: this special edition, the special report, breaking news edition of 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: Inside the Epicenter. This is, of course the podcast that's 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: the flagship educational initiative of the Joshua Fund, a ministry 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: to bless Israel and her neighbors in the name of Jesus. 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: This is a ministry that over the last twenty years. 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: We were just at our twenty year anniversary and we're 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: going to be talking about that in the coming weeks. 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: But by God's mercies, we have raised and invested more 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: than one hundred and thirty million dollars in strengthening the 34 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: church in Israel, among the Palestinans and in five neighboring 35 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Arab countries Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt. And now 36 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: in the last few months we've been investing in the 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: church and gospel ministry in Iran as well. Because we 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Lenn and I who founded the Joshua Fund, and our 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: board and our staff believe that God loves very much, 40 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: very deeply Israel and her Arab neighbors, as well as 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: the people of Iran. And yet as we've seen this 42 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: corridor between Tel Aviv and Tehran has been the most 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: volatile and the most challenging and the most dangerous in 44 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: recent years. So where we are is. You know, it 45 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: was only a month ago or so that President Trump 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: and Vice President JD. Vance negotiated and signed a fourteen 47 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: point memorandum of understanding that would establish a cease fire 48 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: between the United States and what's left of the leadership 49 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: of Iran. The idea was not that this was a final, final, 50 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: final deal. It wasn't a peace deal, but it was 51 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: the framework, basically the offer that President Trump was making 52 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: to the Iranian leadership saying, look, here's the benefits you 53 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: get if you negotiate in good faith, a solid, serious, 54 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: verifiable deal, a deal that will end this war, a 55 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: deal that will absolutely prevent Iran from ever building nuclear 56 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: weapons and threatening the United States and Israel and the 57 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: Arabs and all of the United States allies in the region. 58 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: So was the framework fourteen points. And as you've heard 59 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: me and Lynn talk about on this program, we have 60 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: felt on this podcast that the deal was way too generous. 61 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: Now again, it wasn't a final deal, and we've acknowledged 62 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: that it was basically Trump front loading the carrots so 63 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to use the sticks. In other words, 64 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: it offered the Iranian regime such that it is. It 65 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: offered numerous incentives economic financial incentives, plus the incentive of 66 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: the United States withdrawing military force from the region and saying, okay, 67 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: if everything is signed, sealed, and delivered and adhered to, 68 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: then this can be the the end of the conflict. Now, 69 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: we thought it was too generous because, for example, it 70 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: offered Iran a three hundred billion dollars plus reconstruction rehabilitation 71 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: fund that would be funded by our oil rich Arab 72 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: golf neighbors, not by American tax bearer, certainly not by Israel. 73 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: The deal also, or you know, the MoU, the Memorandum 74 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: of Understanding, offered Iran to you know, to remove economic 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: sanctions that the United States and the international community had 76 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: imposed on Iran because of the growing threat that Iran posed, 77 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: not just because I'm nuclear, but missiles and terrorism and 78 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: so forth. Of course, the deal would offer Iran that 79 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: the United States would end the naval blockade, the embargo 80 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: on Iran from being able to import or export through 81 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: the Strait of Hormuz, and so altogether this would bring 82 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: in hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars back into 83 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: the Iranian economy, back into the Iranian government coffers. This 84 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: was supposed to be an inducement, right. Trump was putting 85 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: the carrots, the inducements, the benefits to Iran upfront, and 86 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: therefore the MoU did not mention things like Iran could 87 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: never enrich uranium, that Iran could would have to ship 88 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: out all of it's in enriched uranium to the United 89 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: States or some agreed upon ally, that Iran could not 90 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: continue building ballistic missiles and a certain range you know, 91 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: that could reach American, Arab and Israeli targets. That Iran 92 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: would not keep funding terrorist groups such as Husbollah in Lebanon, 93 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Hamas and Godza, the Hooties in Yemen or other things. 94 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: So all those types of things, all those types of 95 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: things that we want as Americans and as Israelis and 96 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: those in the Gulf want. None of those things were 97 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: actually specified except that Iran could never have a nuclear weapon, 98 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: which is sort of obvious. So that was the whole 99 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: point of the war. But that's what we worried about. 100 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: You know, this is way too generous because you're offering 101 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: all the good stuff, all the benefits to Iran right 102 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: up front. But you're not, mister President. You're not saying 103 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: exactly what they have to do. But the President maintained 104 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: this was to test the Iranians and to say, look, 105 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: now you know what the benefits to you are. Now, 106 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: let's sit down over the next sixty days we can 107 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,679 Speaker 1: negotiate the full deal. And he was pretty clear about 108 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: what his intentions were. But what has Iran done. Iran 109 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: didn't keep this deal. From the first day, Iran has 110 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: been firing at ships trying to pass peacefully through the 111 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: Strait of horm moves, and Iran has also been attacking 112 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: with missiles and suicide drones a number of its neighbors 113 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: in the Air Gulf region and the United States, to 114 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: President Trump's credit, has been shooting back when those attacks 115 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: have occurred. But those attacks have escalated, and in the 116 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, as I record this, President Trump 117 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: had ordered the US military to attack eighty Iranian military sites. 118 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: That's the biggest round of fighting since the MoU was 119 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: signed and the ceasefire was supposed to go into place. 120 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: And I think that even joke folks need to see 121 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: this as a good thing. Not good obviously in that 122 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Iran was breaking the ceasefire, of course not. But it 123 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: is good that President Trump is getting much tougher with Iran. 124 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: If those incentives had worked and Iran had really signed, 125 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: negotiated and signed a very serious deal that we all thought, okay, well, 126 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: that truly gets rid of the problem, as long as 127 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: it's verified and you know, and so forth, maybe we 128 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: could have lived with that. But that's not what's happening. 129 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: What we thought would happen is happening, and that is 130 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: that Iran hasn't even lived up to its end of 131 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: the bargain already certainly not negotiating and good faith. I 132 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: want to share with you two sound bites of President Trump. 133 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: He's in Ankara, the capital of Turkey, and he's part 134 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: of the NATO summit, the annual summit that and it 135 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: happens to be being held in Turkey. Now Turkey is 136 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: a big problem for other reasons. Turkish President rests Awan, 137 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, is a member of NATO, but he's not 138 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: acting like a real ally and we'll deal with that 139 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: on a separate podcast. But you know, Airdiwan has been 140 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: under US economic sanctions because why because he was buying 141 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: the most advanced missile systems from Russia, from Vladimir Putin, 142 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: and you're not supposed to be doing that as a 143 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: NATO ally, obviously, but he did it, and it was 144 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: called the S four hundred actually missile defense system. But 145 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: still you're not supposed to buy Russian military equipment if 146 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: you're a NATO member. Airwan. President Airedwan of Turkey has 147 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: also been threatening to invade Israel. Turkey has been threatening 148 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: to attack Israel, and Turkey has been accusing Israel of 149 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: being a genocidal nation, of committing genocide in Gaza, which 150 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: is totally not true, and calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin 151 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: Yahu a Nazi. So for all these reasons, there's a 152 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: really troubled relationship between the United States and Turkey, and 153 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: President Trump is trying to, you know, cool that down. 154 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: That's something we'll talk about later, but I want to 155 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: play the first of two sound bites. Now you're gonna 156 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: hear President Trump say what is wrong with Iranian behavior 157 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: right now? And how and you're gonna hear how angry 158 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: he is. Let's take a listen. 159 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: The fire over it is hes fire, Johnny, is IM 160 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: know you dead? 161 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 4: It's a very interesting question to me. I think it's over. 162 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with him any with there's scum. 163 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: You know what scum is. There's scum. There's sick people. 164 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 4: They're lit by sick people, and they're vicious, violent people, 165 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: and if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it. 166 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: As far as I'm concerned, it's over, and I'll speak 167 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 4: to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. 168 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: They're good people, Steve Woodcuff, Jared Kusher, but they have 169 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: to come back to me. 170 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 4: As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of 171 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: time dealing with them. 172 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: They're liars. 173 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: We make a deal, and if I make a deal 174 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 4: with him, we have a deal, and he goes out, 175 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: he talks, We make a deal, everyone's agreed, no nuclear weapon. 176 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 3: We make a deal. They go outside, talk to the press. 177 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: They say, we never even talked about it. There's something 178 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: wrong with them. They're cuckoo. Far as I'm concerned, it's over. 179 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Okay, so you just heard President Trump say that the 180 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: deal is off. Like you know, he'll talk to his 181 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: own negotiator, Steve Wittkoff and Jared Kushner. He's, you know, 182 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: in theory, he's not saying that they'll never be negotiates 183 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: with Iran, right, you know again. But President Trump is saying, 184 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: clearly two reporters, openly that Iran has broken this deal. 185 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: And he I don't want to use all the language 186 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: that he has used, but he's certainly calling the Iranian 187 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: leadership sick and vicious and violent and evil. He's calling 188 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: them liars, and all of that is true. So this 189 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: is Trump having tried to be generous, tried to be magnanimous, 190 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: and basically the Iranian leadership has bit his hand like 191 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: and Trump is furious. Now listen, let's listen to the 192 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: second SoundBite, in which Trump talks more about his thinking 193 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: about all that's transpired and how he has had to 194 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: order US forces to attack Iran in a bigger way 195 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: than anytime since the ceasefire began. Let's take a listen. 196 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 4: We have attacked very powerfully last night, the very dangerous 197 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 4: people from Iran. 198 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: They're sick, there's something wrong with them. We said, go 199 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 3: and do your funeral stuff. 200 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 4: And instead of that, they start shooting rockets at chips yesterday, 201 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 4: and so we hit them very hard last night very hard. 202 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: I would say twenty to one, twenty times tougher. And 203 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: I told him every time we hit. And of course 204 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 4: they're dirty players, so they go after everyone, probably including me. 205 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 4: I've been number one on their list for years. And 206 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 4: there are a bunch of scum. You want to know 207 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: that there scum, And so we don't like them. 208 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 3: I don't like them. And they're evil people. 209 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: And it's the denuclearization of Iran, and we're gonna de 210 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 4: nuke it. We're not gonna let them because they're crazy 211 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 4: and they can't have a nuclear weapon, and they go 212 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: around killing people. They've killed thousands and thousands of our soldiers, 213 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: They've killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. 214 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: They had the roadside bomb. Solomony. I took care of 215 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 3: him first term, and. 216 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: That was a big thing because I think they probably 217 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: would be a lot stronger had he been around, because 218 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: he was a bad guy. 219 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: But he was an evil genius, but a bad guy. 220 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: And he was the father of the roadside bomb. 221 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: The roadside bomb is a bomb that goes on when 222 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: you're driving your little vehicle around and he goes on 223 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 4: and you have no legs, no arms, and no face 224 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,479 Speaker 4: and they've killed. 225 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: Thousands and thousands of people. 226 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: Even the SS coll was theirs, you know if you 227 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: remember that disaster. So I don't like him at all. 228 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: And frankly, I think we waste a lot of time 229 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: with them. I think we should I think we should 230 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: just do our business. Can you imagine they start shooting 231 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: bombs actually missiles at chips yesterday, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, a 232 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: couple of others, And they don't know. I don't think 233 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: they're I don't think they know what the hell they're doing. 234 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: But they're bad people, very bad people. 235 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 4: I think they're incompetent, by the way, because if they 236 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 4: were competent, they would have made a deal a long 237 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: time ago, like how about forty seven years ago? So 238 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 4: they've been trouble for forty seven years and there we 239 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 4: took out their first set of leaders. We took out 240 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: their second set of leaders. They want to take out 241 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: the US leader. Me. 242 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: I'm on every list I saw things this morning. 243 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: I'm on every single one of their lists, and so far, 244 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 4: I guess I've been a little bit lucky. 245 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 3: But that maybe doesn't last very long because it's the 246 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: way it goes. 247 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 4: We have great people, but these are evil, sick people 248 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 4: and we have to rid them cancer. 249 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, cancer, and you know what you do. You got 250 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: to cut out cancer early. Man. That's the way I feel. 251 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: Okay, hold that thought. We're gonna come back with more analysis, 252 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: but we do need to take a break for our sponsors. 253 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Don't go away, We'll 254 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: be right back for more of the special report on 255 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: Inside the Epicenter. 256 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,239 Speaker 2: You're listening to Inside the Epicenter with Joel and Lynn Rosenberg. 257 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: If today's program is encouraging you, there's much more waiting 258 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: for you in our podcast feed. 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That's Joshua Fund 266 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: dot com slash Radio. 267 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Correat so that gives you a sense of where we 268 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: are right now and my expectation is that things could 269 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: escalate significantly. Now I can't tell you what that means. 270 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: Does that mean, for example, that Iran's going to start 271 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: firing whatever ballistic missiles it has at Israel? Is Iran 272 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: going to start firing ballistic missiles at at US forces 273 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: in the region, at our Arab allies in the region, 274 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, in massive numbers. Now. President Trump has said 275 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: that Iran's missile inventory is has been destroyed by about 276 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: eighty five percent, and many of the missile launchers have 277 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: been destroyed as well. So this is a question. Let's 278 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: say Iran has about fifteen percent of the missile inventory 279 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: that it had before February twenty eighth, So does that 280 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: mean that Iran has the ability to start firing those 281 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: missiles now? And if so, you know, does the United 282 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: States and our Arab allies and Israel have enough missile 283 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: interceptors to shoot them down? Or could this thing really 284 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: get ugly and you know, quickly? That's a question. There's 285 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: another question, will Israel be allowed by President Trump to 286 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: enter the fight against Iran again? At the moment, I 287 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: think my initial expectations would be the United States would 288 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: do this by itself, and tell Israel stand down, stand 289 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, don't get involved, so that Iran doesn't attack you. 290 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: But what if Iran does attack, then I would expect 291 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: President Trump to give Israel the freedom of operations to 292 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: join the United States in punishing and destroying more of 293 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: the Iran military and perhaps even Iranian leaders. So these 294 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: are some big questions. Now. I think the key thing 295 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: here for Christians is I think, you know, I see 296 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: these as good developments again, not obviously that Iran is 297 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: breaking this deal and we're going back into fighting. I 298 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: don't want that. You don't want that. But Iran cannot 299 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: be allowed. Iran's leaders cannot be allowed to get away 300 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: with breaking a ceasefire. They can't be allowed to attack 301 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: oil tankers and other ships trying to move peacefully through 302 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: the Strait of Horror moves. Iran cannot be allowed to 303 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: control the Strait of Horror moves or terrify or intimidate 304 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: anyone in the United States Israel are Arab allies or 305 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, tankers and ships from all of the world. 306 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: It absolutely must not be allowed to happen. 307 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: Not. 308 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: After all, President Trump has done to destroy so much 309 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: of the Iragan and regime and Iran's offensive military capabilities 310 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: with Israel right at aside. So what I'm saying is, 311 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: I think, because Iran's leaders are acting as wickedly as 312 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: I had anticipated, and that Lynn had anticipated, that they're 313 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: not trustworthy, and that they have been trying to break 314 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: this deal every day, day after day, week after week 315 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: since the ceasefire was announced, that President Trump had to 316 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: do this, that if he didn't do it, it would 317 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: be a sign of real weakness. So I think the 318 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: President is doing the right thing, but we need to 319 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: pray because what's not clear is, well, okay, so how 320 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: does this war end? How does Operation Epic Fury or 321 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: whatever it's going to be named now, how does it 322 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: actually come to an end where we get what President 323 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: Trump promised, which is that Iran's leadership given an un 324 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: conditional surrender. That's what we want. We want Iran's leadership 325 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: to have no ability to threaten the United States or 326 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: its allies, Israel, or the air world. We want Iran's 327 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: leadership really ultimately to collapse. We want their reign and 328 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: people to rise up. So we need to be praying 329 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: for these things. And what we need is for President Trump, 330 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: we need to be praying for President Trump to have 331 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: the wisdom, wisdom from above, as we read in the 332 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: Book of James and the New Testament, we need to 333 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: pray that the president has wisdom from above to know 334 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: how to bring this war to an end, how to 335 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: bring Iran's leadership into submission, how to end the threat 336 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: from Iran once and for all. In the Bible, the 337 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: Apostle Paul commands us to pray for our leaders, why 338 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: so that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life. 339 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: That's from First Timothy chapter two. We all know those verses, 340 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: and even juggles need to be praying without ceasing for 341 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: President Trump. Look, you may not even agree with President Trump. 342 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: You may not have voted for him, or you may 343 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: have voted for him and not appreciate what he's the 344 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: steps he's taken economically or foreign policy, or in terms 345 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: of this war with Iran. But look, none of us 346 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: want a war raging in the Gulf, right. We don't 347 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: want this to war raging in the Gulf to continue 348 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: with no end in sight. None of us want oil 349 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: prices to skyrocket again and stay high forever or for 350 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: a long time. We don't want to see gas prices 351 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: going back up. We were just watching oil prices come 352 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: down when the ceasefire began, seeing gas prices come down 353 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: in the United States. Because of the ceasefire, oil prices 354 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: worldwide have been coming down. Nobody wants to see American 355 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: soldiers and civilians who live in the Gulf region to 356 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: endure another massive missile war. None of us want to 357 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: see the seven hundred thousand Americans who live here in 358 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: Israel where I live. Some of us are dual citizens, 359 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: some are Americans working at the embassy, working for businesses, 360 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: working for the military, working for mngos, for ministries. There's 361 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand Americans who live in Israel, and we 362 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: don't want to see these Americans endure another Iranian massive 363 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: missile war. And of course we don't want to see 364 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: any Israeli or Arab allies and civilians or soldiers facing 365 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: Iranian attacks. But we can't let the wicked Iranian regime win. 366 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: We can't let them look like they're winning. We can't 367 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: allow them to act like they're winning or feel like 368 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: they're wining. President Trump was exceedingly generous in his MoU 369 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: with Iran, far too generous in our view. He hoped 370 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: Iranian leaders would welcome all the carots. He hoped that 371 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: he wouldn't need to use any more sticks. But President 372 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: Trump was wrong. Now, to his credit, he's quickly realized 373 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: that he was wrong, and he's reassessed, and he's not 374 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: waiting until after the midterm elections in the United States 375 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: to get much much tougher with Tehran. And I say 376 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: good for him, but it's not clear to me or 377 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: to li In at this moment what exactly are the 378 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: moves that he should take and how we bring how 379 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: he brings, how the United States government and military brings 380 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: this Iranian threat to an end once and for all. 381 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: So please keep praying, pray without ceasing, and we will 382 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: keep you posted. We're doing this. I'm doing this as 383 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: an emergency update as things escalate here in the region. 384 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: We promised you from the beginning of this podcast that 385 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: we would take you inside the epicenter. The epicenter is 386 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: the part of the world that the Bible describes as 387 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Israel and its neighborhood. Right this is the center of 388 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: the world, as God said, and we see many verses 389 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: about that. We'll talk about that, We've talked about it 390 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: in the past. We can talk about it more in 391 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: the future, but we are taking you inside the epicenter, 392 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: and this is the biggest development happening inside the epicenter 393 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: right now. I hope this has been helpful. Please keep 394 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: praying for us here in Israel, as we're on the 395 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: front lines. One of our sons, our youngest, is a 396 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: soldier in the IDF. He is a combat soldier, so 397 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: all of this is very real and personal to us. 398 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: And of course the JOSHUAE has staff here on the 399 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: ground doing humanitarian relief and other type of work to 400 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: strengthen the church and to care for the poor needy 401 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: here in Israel. So we appreciate your prayers, and we 402 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: also appreciate your financial support. This is a critical moment 403 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: and if you'd like to become an epicenter ally and 404 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: provide a gift of fifty dollars or more every month, 405 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: you can go to Joshua Fund dot com again Joshua 406 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: Fund dot com and get involved. Or if you want 407 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 1: to make an emergency one time gift, so we can 408 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: because the needs are large no matter what, and if 409 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: war is about to erupt all over again, the needs 410 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: will be greater. Thank you, Thank you for standing with us. 411 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: Thank you for your interest in what's going on inside 412 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: the epicenter and from Jerusalem. I hope this special report 413 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: has been helpful for all of my colleagues, certainly for 414 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: Land and the board and our staff and the production team, 415 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: the producers who make this podcast happen. Thank you, God 416 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: bless you, and please keep praying for the peace of 417 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: Jerusalem and the victory that we need over this wicked 418 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: Arenia regime and the liberation of the Iranian people. God 419 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: bless you.