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Speaker 1: wishing all of our Christian frenzy audience a beautiful and

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Speaker 1: blessed beginning to this Holy week, we'd use our getting

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Speaker 1: ready for the Passover holiday which starts this Wednesday evening. Personally,

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Speaker 1: of psychological distraught. I'm not sure. I also describe it

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Speaker 1: frankly after the utterly catastrophic sports loss that I experienced yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I know it sounds tongue in cheek, but there really

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Speaker 1: are just a lot of emotions here to unpack when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the love of sports, is it all

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Speaker 1: worth it? And all the above there we'll get that

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Speaker 1: much much later on in the show. Also, Becca Heinrix

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Speaker 1: of the Hudson Institute joined us to unpack what is

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Speaker 1: the main topic for today's show, which is what is

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Speaker 1: the end game when it comes to the state of

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Speaker 1: ron so or. Becca Heinrix of the Hudson Intitude joins

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Speaker 1: us to continue that conversation in just a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: but for now we begin by assessing these states of play.

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Speaker 1: So there's all sorts of mixing when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the situation with Iran and what is Donald Trump going

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Speaker 1: And frankly, no one really knows what the answer is

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Speaker 1: because there's just a lot to unpack here. Most recently,

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Speaker 1: there have been rumors up to ten thousand digital troops

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Speaker 1: those troops apparently are in transits essentially at this moment.

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Speaker 1: But the Pentagon and the war planners, so the Chairman

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Speaker 1: the suits, all the other folks in Pentagon, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: what they are beating tends to do essentially to draw

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Speaker 1: up various competing options to essentially give President Trump, as

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Speaker 1: array of options, so he can pursue as he wants

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Speaker 1: to pursue. As far as how Donald Trump is actually

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Speaker 1: going to pursue, well, that really is the million dollar

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump saying that he is prepared to destroy his

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Speaker 1: Trump but threatening now to either destroy Carg Island to

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Speaker 1: on the other hand. There's been a lot of back

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Speaker 1: and it's just not going to happen, folks. It's not

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Speaker 1: our military operations in Iran. He continued and said, great

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Speaker 1: completely obliterating all of what I just said. Carg Island,

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Speaker 2: but we've had regime change. We look already because the

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Speaker 1: It truly is regime.

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Speaker 2: Change, and regime change is an imperative, but I think

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Speaker 1: Okay, So again classic Trumpian rhetoric. Regime change is imperative,

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Speaker 1: sure that the current situation looks like regime change are

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Speaker 2: Have lots of vaultners. We have tremendous numbers of ships

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Speaker 1: Okay, So again, boots on the ground not going to

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Speaker 1: or not the job is done in Iran, you can

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Speaker 1: But they are not done. All the countries in the region,

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Speaker 4: So I totally agree with you and my colleague Mike Duran.

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Speaker 4: states get their confidence from their military capabilities. Iran is

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Speaker 4: simply being totally defanged and weakened, and so it's not

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Speaker 4: going to have the same coercive ability as it did

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Speaker 4: before this operation. So, of course, my hope is that

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Speaker 4: you actually have a country that is on their way

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Speaker 4: to being a more pragmatic partner in the region. And

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Speaker 4: you know, and and and understanding that there's the Gulf

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Speaker 4: States combined with the Israelis, want to get back, want

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Speaker 4: to have normalcy, want to conduct trade, and they do

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Speaker 4: not want rampant terrorism throughout the region. And so hopefully,

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Speaker 4: of course you're going to see in Iron regime that

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Speaker 4: plays a more constructive role in that process.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely definitely what we all hope, but of course,

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Speaker 1: we all also live in the real world as well.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca hein Rex definitely lives in real world and she

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Speaker 1: is a great contributor to the real world conversation. Follow

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Speaker 1: her on ex at ral Heinris Rebecca, we always appreciate

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Speaker 1: joining the show. Thank you so much, Thanks Josh so

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Speaker 1: great stuff there, as always from Rebecca Heinrix. I tend

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Speaker 1: to agree with her assessment that the regime will at

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Speaker 1: some point in Iran. Look, if we're just putting on

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Speaker 1: our prognostication, pure analytical expectations, you will probably look something

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Speaker 1: remotely like what it currently does, albeit will be severely defanged.

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Speaker 1: They will say, we not have the offensive facing military capacity.

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Speaker 1: Of course we are all hoping for, indeed, we are

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Speaker 1: praying for the running people to take matters into their

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Speaker 1: own hands and to finally topple this horrific of regime

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Speaker 1: and to remove the yokes of tyranny from their backs

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Speaker 1: for the first time in forty seven years. But I do,

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Speaker 1: at times like this think back, as I not infrequently do,

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Speaker 1: to this wonderful speech that John Quincy Adams gave in

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Speaker 1: eighteen twenty one. John Quincy Adams, the son of John Adams,

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Speaker 1: you probably know him less well than John Adamsjohn Quincy

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Speaker 1: Adams is one of the first true realists in the

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Speaker 1: long tradition of American foreign policy realism, and prior to

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Speaker 1: him actually ascending to the presidency and taking the White House,

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Speaker 1: John Quincy Adams, I believe this is actually when he

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Speaker 1: was Secretary of State, had this wonderful speech which historians

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Speaker 1: of American history, if we refer to as the monsters

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Speaker 1: to destroy speech, and what he said, this paraphrase, it's

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Speaker 1: very close paraphrase. He said that America does not go

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Speaker 1: abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the

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Speaker 1: well wisher of liberty to the masses around the world,

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Speaker 1: but she is the guaranteur only of her own. It

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Speaker 1: is a very sound conception of the sober limits of

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Speaker 1: American foreign policy. This Bush freedom agenda, forcible exporting of

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Speaker 1: Western liberalism, that cannot be what we are here to do.

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Speaker 1: We are here to try to set the conditions, in

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Speaker 1: this particular case in Iran for the Iron people to

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Speaker 1: take masaginesto their own hands. But we simply cannot do

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Speaker 1: it for them. To borrow a very old analogy, of course,

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Speaker 1: you can bring the horse to the water you cannot

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Speaker 1: actually forced the horse to drink the water, and that

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Speaker 1: very much applies here as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Just a quick word also on the Middle East before

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Speaker 1: zooming out a little bit. Lots else that I want

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Speaker 1: to get to here for the remainder of our show

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Speaker 1: to say, there was an unfortunate instance in Jerusalem on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday was Palm Sunday, and the man who was

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Speaker 1: essentially the head of the Catholic Church in the city

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Speaker 1: of Jerusalem. He is the head of the Latin patriarchate there.

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Speaker 1: My Latin is terrible, so you have to forget me

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Speaker 1: on that one. He's a cardinal the Catholic Church by

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Speaker 1: the name of Pierre Bautista Pizza Bala, who your mileage

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Speaker 1: may vary. He has been in the news at various times.

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Speaker 1: There a lot of folks who know him say that

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Speaker 1: he's a wonderful man. Some folks say that he is

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Speaker 1: something of a provocateur. So your mileage may vary as

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Speaker 1: to what exactly he was trying to do. So it's

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Speaker 1: Palm Sunday, obviously a deeply important holiday for Catholics, perhaps

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Speaker 1: above all in particular, and he was he was going

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Speaker 1: to the church with the Holy Sepulcher there in the

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Speaker 1: old Steer Jerusalem to try to lead a Sunday massag

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Speaker 1: Church of the Holy Sepulcher, one of the holiest sites

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Speaker 1: in all of Christianity. I have been there myself, and

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Speaker 1: the context for this is that because of this war

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Speaker 1: with Iran, there have been a lot of Iranian missiles

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Speaker 1: whose fragments have landed right there in the Old sag

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Speaker 1: of Jerusalem, where all three Abrahamic religions Judaism, Christianity, Islam

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Speaker 1: have holy sites. Because of them, the Israeli governmental authorities

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Speaker 1: have set a limit on gatherings there for the time

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Speaker 1: being at least, and a baseline rule of no religious

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Speaker 1: gatherings over fifty people. So because of that, the entire

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Speaker 1: Western Wall, or as Jews call the Kotel, like the

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Speaker 1: holiest site in Judaism, next to the Temple mount itself

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Speaker 1: on top there near that dome of the Rock mosque,

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Speaker 1: Jews cannot actually pray right now, like literally as I speak,

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Speaker 1: in the lead up to the Pasaberholida, Jews are not

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Speaker 1: praying at the Western Wall. So nonetheless, piece of Bala,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinal tries to lead a mass at the church

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Speaker 1: and he is stopped by the Israeli police because of

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Speaker 1: what I just said, because of this facially neutral rule

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Speaker 1: that's in place. The oppice of this are obviously horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 1: At a time where Israel's public image is dwindling in

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Speaker 1: many people's eyes, and they're having particularly fierce debates here

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Speaker 1: among some parts of the American Christian population, this could

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Speaker 1: not possibly have been handled in a worse matter. Now

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Speaker 1: the story has a happy ending, for what it's worth,

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Speaker 1: because bej Netti Yahu a few hours later, upon becoming

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Speaker 1: aware of this, said that this has been remedied, then

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Speaker 1: that he instructed the authorities to enable the patriarch to

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Speaker 1: hold services as he wishes. They clarified that it initially

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Speaker 1: could not be approved, but then they made an exception

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Speaker 1: for him, and Pizza Bolad, for what it's worth, had

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Speaker 1: a very gracious response there essentially said that yes, this

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Speaker 1: is actually just a bureaucratic missap that that has not

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Speaker 1: stopped some of the provocateurs here in American social media

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Speaker 1: discourse from saying that, oh, that's another example of Israel

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Speaker 1: hating Christians. It's a pure disinformation operation. Don't be stupid.

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Speaker 1: I do not fall for this is the only cut

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Speaker 1: in the region folks where they growing Christian population. You

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Speaker 1: want to, you wanna, you want to, you want to

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Speaker 1: go to Qatar or bob Rain or Satura Abia and

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Speaker 1: see if the Christian population there can openly pray. And

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Speaker 1: it's just nuts. It is pure disinformation. Clearly the Israeli

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Speaker 1: governments not handle this well. Definitely unforced error at a

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Speaker 1: very sense of time there. But if you think that

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Speaker 1: this is an act of the nets Nahoo governments hating

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Speaker 1: on Christians, uh, then frankly you are either stupid or

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Speaker 1: just deeply vulnerable to information operations, because even the cardinal

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Speaker 1: himself is saying that's clearly not what happened there. So

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Speaker 1: don't believe the crap that you see on social media.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of crap that happened on social media and in

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Speaker 1: the real world, over the weekend, we had another of

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Speaker 1: these so called no Kings protests that happens here over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Now they've tried this numerous times. They first

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Speaker 1: tried if memory serves last Spring into into last June.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to even know what there is to say

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Speaker 1: about these no Kings protests that has not been said.

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Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing is basically just just a

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Speaker 1: grand exercise in performative virtue and performative outrage. They're trying

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Speaker 1: to make themselves look outrage for the sake of being outraged.

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Speaker 1: There apparently eight million people. It's could have fulled me.

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Speaker 1: Eight million people. Appearently it's what they're Smy took to

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Speaker 1: America's streets this past Saturday, which are passed the seven

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Speaker 1: million that they had at the last No King's event

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Speaker 1: in October twenty twenty five. I think if you actually

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Speaker 1: did full gonzo journalism, if you tried to do the

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Speaker 1: whole Nick Nick Shirley style man on the Street thing,

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Speaker 1: and you actually went to talk these people and say

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Speaker 1: what exactly are you protesting? They would have presumably no

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Speaker 1: freaking clue. Really what are they there for? I actually

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Speaker 1: don't think I know the answer. I mean, they're there

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Speaker 1: presumably as a name and plod because I think that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a king. Oh really, I mean you

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Speaker 1: mean like literally every president, says Woodrow Wilson, who has

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Speaker 1: acted in some sort of varying degree of quasi editorial fashion.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be really super textual super formalists,

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Speaker 1: going back to original separation of powers. The modern presidency,

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Speaker 1: the monern executive branch is obviously not at all what

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Speaker 1: the founders thought that it would be. It's not And frankly,

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Speaker 1: the last I checked it actually was Barack Obama, noted

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Speaker 1: Democrat Barack Obama who had the infamous I have a

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Speaker 1: pen and I have a phone line. You remember that

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Speaker 1: in his second term. Memory starts around the time of

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Speaker 1: the whole executive anueity debates. There was Docta, then there

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Speaker 1: was Dappa. Obama says, I've got a pen, I have

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Speaker 1: a phone. You, Paul Ryan, you, Eric Canter, John Banner,

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Speaker 1: whoever was in charge the you'd try to stop me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this sort of stuff is ubiquitous now. Dontrm,

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Speaker 1: of course, is not a monarch. He's not. We've had

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Speaker 1: multiple record breaking shutdowns just over the course of this presidency.

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Speaker 1: There was a massive, massive shutdown a few months ago,

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Speaker 1: and now there's been a forty five day DHS partial shutdown.

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Speaker 1: If Dontrum was actually a king, actually a monarch, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure he would not allow that to happen. Now.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing to note is that virtually none of

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Speaker 1: this that you see from the so called no Kings

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Speaker 1: Idiots is organic. It is, as we have previously explained

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Speaker 1: on the show, coming from some foreign and some domestic

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Speaker 1: but subversive forces. It is definitely answerturfed and is definitely inorganic.

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Speaker 1: So I knew. Fox News Digital Investigation and the folks

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Speaker 1: of Fox News have a common been doing some excellent work.

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Speaker 1: Actually in this respect, they've been doing a lot when

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Speaker 1: it comes to foreign operations and foreign funding into American

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Speaker 1: politics in general. So the Fox News Digital Investigation team

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Speaker 1: finds that these No Kings protests, all eight million of

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Speaker 1: them roughly, are collectively backed by a network of about

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Speaker 1: five hundred groups with an estimated three billion dollars in

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Speaker 1: combined annual revenue, including various communists and socials organizations calling

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Speaker 1: for revolution. The man at the center of this, if

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Speaker 1: you watch over listen to the show every day, you

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Speaker 1: know his name by now is Neville Roy Singham, who

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Speaker 1: is the American born tech tycoon who literally lives in Shanghai, China,

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Speaker 1: and is very very close to the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 1: She jimpaign the entire Paul Buro there in Beijing and

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Speaker 1: is a massive, massive funder of subversive pro China, anti

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Speaker 1: American causes. He's a funder of Code Pink and various

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Speaker 1: other organizations like that. They are the ones who fund

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Speaker 1: the People's Forum. We're the ones that were organizing these

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Speaker 1: pro maduro rallies after them Dua Traction, these pro kommanie rallies,

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Speaker 1: after the kmmonies. Communization, it's coming from China, It's coming

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Speaker 1: from Nevill Royce, Singam. George Sororo's obviously is involved as well.

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Speaker 1: He is as he has been one of the lead

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Speaker 1: coordinators his organization for a lot of these movements throughout

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Speaker 1: the country. So none of this is organic. It's done,

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Speaker 1: it's performative, and I wish we could ignore it, but

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Speaker 1: for the fact that this level of foreign influence in

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Speaker 1: astroturfing and riling up the American people is bad, and

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Speaker 1: if we were a true first world country, we would

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Speaker 1: have this sort of regulation in place to try to

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Speaker 1: crack down on deliberate foreign medaling. Last I checked, the

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Speaker 1: Left pretend to care a lot about form meddaling. What

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Speaker 1: was that Russia Gates? Really, you guys should care a

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Speaker 1: lot about Nevill Royce Singham and the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 1: information operation is so called noekings. So I wanted to

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Speaker 1: finish my thoughts on that before we move on here.

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Speaker 1: If the Left were actually intellectually consistent on this, if

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Speaker 1: they actually opposed foreign meddling, foreign funding in American politics there,

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Speaker 1: which if you take an other word, which you really

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Speaker 1: should not do, but if you do, then you would

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Speaker 1: think that they oppose that based on their total hysteria

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Speaker 1: over Russian election interference, then they really, really really should

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Speaker 1: care about the level of Chinese financial sponsorship of American

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Speaker 1: astroturfing operations, of Iranian involvement there that grew bad out

649
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Speaker 1: of New Jersey that we sometimes highlight on this show.

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Speaker 1: The Network Contagion Research institutent NCI just had a recent

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Speaker 1: study about the extents of Iranian propaganda financial dissemination throughout

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Speaker 1: American grassroots astroturfs. The Left really ought to care a

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Speaker 1: lot about this, like, really, really, really a lot about this.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they don't is just a total ditments

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Speaker 1: on their lack of any principles and the lack of

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Speaker 1: anything you're multi resembling intellectual consistency. Well, speaking of things

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Speaker 1: that the present United States has been intellesting assistant on

658
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Speaker 1: for a very long time, one of his long standing

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Speaker 1: issues is that of birthrights and ship So we're going

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Speaker 1: to do a deeper dive on this topic on Oral

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Speaker 1: Argument Day, which would be this Wednesday. The case is

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Speaker 1: Trump versus Barbara. This is a case that is at

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Speaker 1: the US Supreme Corps now to determine the constitutionality of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's Day one executive order essentially getting rid of

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Speaker 1: birthright citizenship for illegal aliens here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: I have lots and lots of thoughts on this issue,

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Speaker 1: will we will save a longer legal constitutional analysis for

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Speaker 1: Wednesday's show. The fourth Amenment debate happens to be a

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Speaker 1: very very interesting one one that I've been paying very

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Speaker 1: close attention to my very first days in law school

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Speaker 1: over a decade ago. But for now, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the politics and the actual

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Speaker 1: policy and the morality of this. The entire premise of

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Speaker 1: the American con constitutional governments, of our entire scheme here

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Speaker 1: is one premise, as you might know, upon popular sovereignty

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Speaker 1: and the consent of the government. That's the entire premise,

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Speaker 1: that's the entire notion of the we the people of

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Speaker 1: which the pre embold to the US Constitution speaks, we

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Speaker 1: the People of the United States in order to form

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Speaker 1: a more perfect union, etc. Et cetera, et cetera. It's

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Speaker 1: all based on we the people, who are the people. Well,

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Speaker 1: people are not the citizens of the world. It's not

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Speaker 1: the global masses. If we want to welcome in aliens

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Speaker 1: foreigners to join us in, we the people, we can

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Speaker 1: do that. That's called immigration policy. Congress has an article

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Speaker 1: one section and ability to do exactly that, to prescribe

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Speaker 1: a quote uniform rule of naturalization. And they've done that

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Speaker 1: many many times since the origins of the republic. But

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Speaker 1: in order to have a system of beside the government,

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Speaker 1: you have to know who is the government. Well. A

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Speaker 1: system of immigration that rewards not just legal status, but

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Speaker 1: full on citizenship to those whose first acts here are

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Speaker 1: to cross the border illegally is to so greatly diminish

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Speaker 1: the moral heft, the moral salience, indeed the sanctity of

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Speaker 1: American citizenship. It is to strip it of anything remotely

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Speaker 1: resembling meaning and substance. It is to vitiate the very

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Speaker 1: notion of we the people in the first place. Who

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Speaker 1: are to we the people if we're just giving out

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Speaker 1: citizenship willy nilly, not just as someone who applies to

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Speaker 1: be here legally and goes to the process. But the

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Speaker 1: people who cross the border illegally. There's all sorts of

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Speaker 1: more practical ramifications as well. When it comes to the

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Speaker 1: rise of birth tourism, which is a horrific industry. I

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00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: actually saw this my wife was pregnant. It's nuts. It's

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Speaker 1: really quite nuts. Actually. How people come here later in

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Speaker 1: their in their term, usually there in their eight month,

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Speaker 1: for the express purpose of giving birth on us soil.

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Speaker 1: These are a lot of these folks are Russian from

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Speaker 1: Eastern Europe, at least here in Florida, where I love.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them seem to be from the uh

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Speaker 1: the former Iron Curtain states there in eastern Europe, including

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Speaker 1: Russia itself. It's nuts. How can we operate like this?

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Speaker 1: And in America is also an outlier when it comes

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Speaker 1: to this topic as well. We're one of the only

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Speaker 1: First World countries that has this. It is essentially a

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Speaker 1: non starter when it comes to Europe. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that is necessarily the winning argument. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of things where America is different than the Europeans.

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Speaker 1: We are more religious, we are more faithful. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that separate US there. But this is

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Speaker 1: this is one where America I would argue as an

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Speaker 1: outlier in a wrong direction, and it's an outliar in

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Speaker 1: a wrong direction. Also when it comes to the legal argument,

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Speaker 1: which again we will get to in much career depth

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Unfortunately, I think that the Trump maturation has

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Speaker 1: something of an uphill climb when it comes to this,

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Speaker 1: or at least to winning it in the US Spreme Court.

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Speaker 1: I very very much hope that I am wrong. I've

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Speaker 1: been carrying about this issue for a very very long time.

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Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump is exactly right. There's a wonderful

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Speaker 1: executive order. I read the entire thing. It was pretty

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Speaker 1: much spotless. Unfortunately, if I'm trying to count votes on

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Speaker 1: the current Supreme Court, I think there are at most,

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Speaker 1: really and most I think two votes for this Clarence Thomas,

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Speaker 1: the same Alida. And Unfortunately, if I'm crrast then President

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Speaker 1: Trump himself ultimately then earns some of the blame based

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Speaker 1: on the justice that he selected the first time. If

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Speaker 1: I'm a career that neither Kavanaugh nor Gorses nor Barret

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Speaker 1: will ultimately vote to uphold this, but a much greater

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Speaker 1: legal unpacking of the constitutional merits dmerit to this on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday show, make sure to tune in that I hope

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Speaker 1: to bring on a great expert guest for you to

743
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Speaker 1: continue to unpack that as well. For now, I want

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Speaker 1: to turn, as I tease in the very opening minute

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Speaker 1: the show, to something a little more frivolous but also

746
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Speaker 1: a little more personal, which is basketball actually, of all

747
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Speaker 1: the topics, so it's March Madness. You may or may

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Speaker 1: not have noticed. The tournament is now just over two

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Speaker 1: weeks old, and I am personally dealing with today, as

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Speaker 1: are my fellow Duke fans, dealing with what can only

751
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: be described as the single worst loss in the history

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00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: of the very story program that is Duke basketball. And unfortunately,

753
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: there are no shortage of possible contenders for that dubious distinction.

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00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: What happened on Sunday is just utterly unfathomable. Duke was

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Speaker 1: playing Yukon the University of CONNECTICU at the Huskies in

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00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: a one to two Elite eight matchup in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: They were up by nineteen points at its widest margin

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Speaker 1: in the first half, completely dominating the pace of play

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00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: so slowly solely. The lead starts to dwindle in a

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Speaker 1: series of just horrific decisions by both players and coach

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00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: alike in the final minute of the game really ultimately

762
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Speaker 1: culminated in a Yukon player with the name of Breillan

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Speaker 1: Mullin sinking a thirty five to forty foot jump shot

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Speaker 1: a three pointer that is to win the game by

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Speaker 1: one point. One of the most improbable endings you will

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Speaker 1: ever see in a basketball game, and unfortunately it happens

767
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: for Duke against Yukon, a programs that mightily upset Duke

768
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Speaker 1: in the nine ninety nine Natal Championship game that was

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Speaker 1: Yukon's first big breakthrough. That was an amazing Duke team.

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Speaker 1: They had won thirty two games in a row until

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Speaker 1: you Coon beat them that year, and then two thousand

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Speaker 1: and four, a very similar thing happened in the Final

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Speaker 1: four in San Antonio where a mecha ogra four and

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Speaker 1: Ben Gordon did it as well, a final two minute

775
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: comeback to defeats a very good Duke team as well.

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: So Yukon really just seems to have Duke's number in

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Speaker 1: these moments, and it's really painful. This is two years

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Speaker 1: in a row, frankly, where where my team and I

779
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: am a hardcore fan. I watch every single game, I

780
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: read all the blogs. I am I'm really really into this.

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Speaker 1: My wife last night I was like a zombie, was

782
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Speaker 1: trying to cheer me up, and it's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you understand, Like I am like dead on the inside,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm just like steering at the tv for the

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Speaker 1: second straight year. Houston the Final four last year, similar thing,

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Speaker 1: massive collapse in the final two minutes, And unfortunately, are

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Speaker 1: our young coach John Shire, who objectively is having an

788
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: amazing started his career, is now going to start to

789
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Speaker 1: get a lot of these questions. There is he at

790
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: choke ars, etcetera, etcetera, et cetera, And all this kind

791
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Speaker 1: of raises an interesting question, which is for those of

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Speaker 1: us who are so into this, this realm of sports,

793
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Speaker 1: and we end up feeling this way after a devastating loss,

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Speaker 1: I think the natural thing to do as a human

795
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 1: being is to ask is it worth it? In other words,

796
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: are the highs so high or is the inherent thrill

797
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: of following your team so worth it that these lows

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00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: and this is a real low, tell you really it's

799
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: just awful. Is it worth it? And the answer has

800
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Speaker 1: to be yes. I have one of my friends joking

801
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: actually is like, I can't do this again. I'm done

802
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: next year. I'm residing at the Duke before sports Fan.

803
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I am not done. I will look forward to coming

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00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: back next season. It's as painful as it is to

805
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: say in this most solemn moments right now, because it

806
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: is beautiful. These are amazingly talented humans competing at the

807
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: highest level for sheer enjoyment, in love with the game,

808
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: testing their bodies to their greatest and at the end

809
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: of the day, you win, you lose. But it's always

810
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Speaker 1: It sounds cheesy, corny, but it always is really really fun.

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Speaker 1: And that is how I conclude this. I do look

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Speaker 1: forward to coming back next year, but for now, for now,

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for any one other than Yukon to cut

814
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Speaker 1: down the nests in Indianapolis next month, folks, have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of evening, Josh hammerre signing off for now.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I'm in a better spirited place tomorrow. We'll be

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Speaker 1: bullied back then.