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Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country,

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Speaker 2: fighting for the future of our republic. My call is

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Speaker 2: to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most

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Speaker 2: important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: end up miserable. But if the most important thing is

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Speaker 2: doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody.

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Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You

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Speaker 2: should get married as young as possible and have as

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Speaker 2: many kids as possible. Go start at turning point, you

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Speaker 2: would say, college chapter. Go start atturning point, you say,

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Speaker 2: high school chapter. Go find out how your church can

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Speaker 2: get involved.

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Speaker 3: Sign up and become an activist.

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Speaker 2: I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade,

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Speaker 2: most important decision I ever made in my life, and

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Speaker 2: I encourage you to do the same. Here I am.

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Speaker 3: Lord, Use me.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 2: my family, friends and viewers.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to our two of The Charlie Kirk Show. Blake,

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Speaker 1: this is the I think the moment everybody's been waiting

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Speaker 1: for today, and that's because, of course we have Erica

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Speaker 1: Kirk on the show. She is joining us remote because

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Speaker 1: she has a busy, busy day. But Erica, if you

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Speaker 1: can hear us, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everyone, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Brand New York City?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 1: Well, today is the book launch of Charlie's book, his

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Speaker 1: final book, Stop in the Name of God. And here

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Speaker 1: is this beautiful artwork. Yes, and Erica, you and Charlie

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Speaker 1: and your beautiful daughter are on the back. And it's

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Speaker 1: just a beautiful book. I've been voraciously reading it. It

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Speaker 1: is a wonderful personal tribute and that such an important

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Speaker 1: message tell us about it.

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Speaker 4: It is a book that my husband, as you know, Andrew,

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Speaker 4: he was writing this for what a year and a

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Speaker 4: half and he finished it in July and I'll never

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Speaker 4: forget him coming downstairs and he was like, I've finished it.

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Speaker 4: I finally finished it. I was like, maybe, I'm so

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Speaker 4: proud of you. And he was like, you know, if

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Speaker 4: this only changes just one person's life, at least it

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Speaker 4: changed just that one. He's like, but honestly, he and

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Speaker 4: I have to tell you this, watching him live this

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Speaker 4: out in real time changed his life, totally elevated him.

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Speaker 4: I mean he was already elevated, but it was the

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Speaker 4: next level. It was amazing. I mean, yes, my husband

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Speaker 4: was amazing to begin with, but this really took it

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Speaker 4: to the next level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I can just tell you and Blake

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Speaker 1: probably saw this as well. So this is a little

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Speaker 1: this is a little funny stroke. So Charlie loved to work.

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Speaker 1: He loved loved working. He's good because he had to

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Speaker 1: do it all the time. Yeah, he I mean, and

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Speaker 1: he really loved working. And I remember when I first

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Speaker 1: like twenty four seven, you know, And he was always

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Speaker 1: good natured about it, always upbeat. He loved he loved it.

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Speaker 1: And I remember my wife was like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: we are we ever going to have any you know,

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Speaker 1: time down? Yeah, like how about a weekend husband? And

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we know, we will, I'll talk,

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Speaker 1: into this idea of how to rest, how to rest well.

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Speaker 1: And I can just tell you that I saw not

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Speaker 1: only did I see Charlie, this take Charlie to the

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Speaker 1: next level, but it also allowed everybody else to kind

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Speaker 1: of go to the next level too, because our lives

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Speaker 1: and everybody that he was leading their lives became more

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Speaker 1: in balance too. It was an amazing transformation for the

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Speaker 4: Was, and not even so much from just a productivity level.

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Speaker 4: But Andrew and Blake, you guys both know this. The

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Speaker 4: become this absolute trifecta of this weight on you where

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Speaker 4: you're just like, can I just have a second to breathe?

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Speaker 4: I just need a second to breathe. And that's what

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Speaker 4: pause the noise for a second. Just stop the noise

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Speaker 4: for a second. What truly matters? Have people pour into you,

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Speaker 4: have some alone time with the Lord, spend some time

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Speaker 1: Day you choose to do this.

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Speaker 4: It does not have to be a Friday, does not

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Speaker 4: be a Wednesday. You can choose that. That's what's so beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Charlie was not legalistic about the Sabbath. He was saying,

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Speaker 4: please just take the time to be just set aside,

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Speaker 4: to be able to just even journal. How Charlie loved

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Speaker 4: a journal. He left hundreds of his journals, and that

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Speaker 4: just I don't know when. He would go for a

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Speaker 4: superpower for him. People would say, how do you do this?

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Speaker 4: How do you operate? And he would always say, I

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Speaker 4: But not only that, he made sure that if he

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Speaker 4: thought it was cool to pull all nighters. Actually it's not,

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Speaker 1: On them on that can. I just read this section

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Speaker 1: that hit me so hard last night as I was this.

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Speaker 1: It's such a good book, and it's like so good.

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Speaker 1: I think it's there's just something about I just God

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Speaker 4: The depth and level of the theology in here is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he really took I mean, I'm telling you, Resting

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Speaker 1: is perhaps the most radical command God ever gave humanity.

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Speaker 1: In a world governed by unrelenting drive, by the mantras

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Speaker 1: Stop in his name, Cease cease striving, cease earning, cease proving,

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Speaker 1: It is a divine imperative. What did you notice when

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Speaker 1: Charlie really put this into practice? Because I have my

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was already amazing husband to me, but

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Speaker 4: our love for one another just amplified him, and his

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Speaker 4: down to a millisecond. You guys know that. But Charlie

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Speaker 4: he's addressing it to me personally. And again, he made

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Speaker 4: these organizations. Yes I have my show, but what's the

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Speaker 4: most important to me is God and my family. You

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Speaker 4: guys can wait twenty four hours. If it's an emergency.

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Speaker 4: you can wait, and that's so special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so intentional. And by the way, what

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Speaker 1: serious Charlie took this. Yes, it was. It was very

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Speaker 1: notes like heye, see you later.

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Speaker 5: I'm not even that it was always I always met

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Speaker 5: coming around the same time Shabbat Shalom exclamation point.

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Speaker 5: Telegram always the same one, and I'm like I would

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Speaker 5: something right before, and it would come through. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: it's done. Not getting a respected that one until Sunday.

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Speaker 1: We still got everything done. That's the key. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think you get more done in

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Speaker 4: And another thing too, is that Charlie made sure that

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Speaker 4: this wasn't a legalistic thing. It didn't matter if you

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Speaker 4: can use that to be destructive. You have an option.

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Speaker 4: Charlie knew that if he took the time to have

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Speaker 4: if you didn't have the time to give his brain

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Speaker 4: He's just in a different location.

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Speaker 6: of y REFI it has been an honor and a

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Speaker 6: endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and

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Speaker 6: we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point

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Speaker 1: Course, of course, Erica Kirk. You are doing an amazing job.

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Speaker 4: It's a Charlie schedule.

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Speaker 1: We're honoring him well exactly you are today. You're not resting,

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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, pick up your copy today. This is

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Speaker 7: put them together, Yeah exactly, Yeah, but I mean the

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Speaker 7: extend to which there are two documents they go together.

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Speaker 7: You can't do without the Declaration.

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Speaker 1: Well, and here's here's something that you say about this,

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Speaker 1: uh you said? Thomas Jefferson called the Declaration of Independence

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Speaker 1: an expression of the American mind, not merely a document.

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Speaker 1: The Declaration is the common creed of our civic life,

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Speaker 1: and it inspires the shared poetry of our political soul.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really fascinating way to put it.

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Speaker 1: It is a common creed, it is. I guess the

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Speaker 1: question then, for you, doctor, would be, you know, we

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Speaker 1: just love Hillsdale. Charlie loved Hillsdale, so you know. I

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Speaker 1: didn't give your bio. But you are the Kirby Professor

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Speaker 1: in Constitutional Government and Dean of the Van Andel Graduate

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Speaker 1: School of Government at Hillsdale College. And you have a

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Speaker 1: lot of other titles, which is very academic academia of you.

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Speaker 1: Your titles are always so long. But but I guess

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Speaker 1: the question, the real question of our time is with

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Speaker 1: how much the nation has changed, with how much technology

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Speaker 1: has changed, how many new cultures have come into the

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Speaker 1: country in the last forty years especially, can this common creed,

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Speaker 1: this shared poetry of our political soul, can it bring

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Speaker 1: us together again?

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Speaker 7: And that a great question, central question probably the question

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Speaker 7: for us to think about. But here's the way to

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Speaker 7: answer that. I think that Charlie, among those, I think

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Speaker 7: was getting at when he was studying more and more

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Speaker 7: about these questions, in particular the American Founding. The founding

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Speaker 7: occurs in a time period that's not the modern one

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Speaker 7: we are used to being surrounded by and what is

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Speaker 7: taught in college campuses. It was a world in which

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Speaker 7: we still had Christian moral horizons and we were still

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Speaker 7: within the broad confines of what we might call a

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Speaker 7: classical educational system. And in that way of thinking, the

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Speaker 7: way we think about things that change, technology, methods of warfare, shipbuilding,

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Speaker 7: whatever it might be, there are things that change, but

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Speaker 7: the most important things, understand are the things that don't change.

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Speaker 7: And the things that don't change are those things that

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Speaker 7: have to do with our theological pursuits, which is why

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Speaker 7: the Christian roots of Western civilization is so important.

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Speaker 3: But also the kind of.

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Speaker 7: The intellectual, moral, rational roots of our thinking about unchanging

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Speaker 7: principles and the Declaration really brings in the American context especially,

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Speaker 7: brings both of those things together in a very deep way.

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Speaker 3: And so the argument of kind of this that this

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Speaker 3: sense of education that.

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Speaker 7: We were underlia All this is that you know the

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Speaker 7: permanent things, and then these other questions become kind of

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Speaker 7: crudential matters. We can debate about them, we can think

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Speaker 7: them through, but you look at them in light of

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Speaker 7: something else.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 7: One of the problems is we look at these things

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Speaker 7: in particular as if that's the only thing at issue here,

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Speaker 7: this particular policy question. The founders looked at it differently.

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Speaker 7: I think Charlie looked at it differently. I think we

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Speaker 7: at Hillsdale look at it differently, Which is, these are

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Speaker 7: all interesting questions. Let's think it through, Let's argue and

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Speaker 7: debate and deliberate, which is why it's so important to

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Speaker 7: have that conversation. But we do so in light of

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Speaker 7: things that don't change. Because you can't judge whether something

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Speaker 7: immediate new is good or bad unless you have something

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Speaker 7: a standard by which to judge it.

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Speaker 3: And that's really the heart of the declaration.

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Speaker 7: It's also the heart of the kind of the Westerns,

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Speaker 7: the whole Western tradition, both Christian and rational, going back

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Speaker 7: to the Greeks.

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Speaker 3: And the Romans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's the Western tradition.

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Speaker 5: But I think one thing that's often worth remarking upon

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Speaker 5: is how really fortunate America has been. We were created

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Speaker 5: in a revolution, But you can compare the French Revolution,

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Speaker 5: another Western country, another historically Christian country, and their revolution

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Speaker 5: was spectacularly bloody. We've had other spectacularly violent overturnings of

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Speaker 5: the existing order, and in America ours was relatively peaceful.

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Speaker 5: Even our civil war we recovered from quickly. I was

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Speaker 5: wondering if you could comments on were there special ingredients

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Speaker 5: into the American declaration of independence?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and you're you're again at that is a fabulous

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Speaker 7: question itself as well, because there's an American we call

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Speaker 7: it the American Revolution, and then to know they called

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Speaker 7: the French Revolution. They are diametrically opposed in very different

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Speaker 7: and it's important to understand the differences, which is why

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Speaker 7: we call it an American Revolution. But more rightly we

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Speaker 7: referred to it as the American founding. As they were

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Speaker 7: they were declaring their independence, having a revolution against England,

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Speaker 7: but at the same time they were starting a new nation,

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Speaker 7: so that it really kind of points the roots in

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Speaker 7: a way that whereas the French Revolution was all about

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Speaker 7: tearing things down. But there are a number of important differences.

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Speaker 7: One is the the the American Revolution, American founding is

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Speaker 7: influenced by the roots of Western civilization that go through

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Speaker 7: in particular England, which means it's more religious. It also

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Speaker 7: means it's more tolerant and focus on constitutionalism in the

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Speaker 7: rule of law. The French Revolution really is all the

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Speaker 7: bad aspects of the Enlightenment, the French thinkers which give

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Speaker 7: rights to the German thinkers, and a lot of the

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Speaker 7: modern progressive liberals we have today, which which largely rejects.

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Speaker 7: It was very anti religious, it was anti constitutional order.

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Speaker 7: The other aspect I would add to it, which I

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Speaker 7: get into some here, but is another aspect of some

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Speaker 7: of my other scholarship, is the people involved. The members

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Speaker 7: of the Continent of Congress and in particular George Washington,

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Speaker 7: are their their particular roles, their characters, their their shaping

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Speaker 7: of their values, and their their moral sensibility. So our

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Speaker 7: revolution ends in Washington making sure we have a constitutional convention,

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Speaker 7: as opposed to the French Revolution ends in people cutting

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Speaker 7: getting their heads cut off the guillotine and Napoleon making war.

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Speaker 3: On the rest of the world for his own glory.

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Speaker 7: So they can't be You couldn't have two revolutions that

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Speaker 7: are more different than each other than the America and

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Speaker 7: the French.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the French Revolution. I have not studied

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Speaker 1: it to the extent that Blake has, but it is,

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Speaker 1: as you said, diametrically opposed to the American experience. By

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Speaker 1: the way, there is something you know. You hear sometimes

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Speaker 1: these arguments about a case for British colonialism and a

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Speaker 1: case for the British Empire, and it really is remarkable.

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Speaker 5: It was such a Britain has shaped the world so much.

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Speaker 5: We overlook how amazing Britain was the places that created America, Australia,

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Speaker 5: even Canada.

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Speaker 1: Before you go, I don't know about that, but yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But I will say what I I'm

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Speaker 1: really curious doctor, I want to I want to dive

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Speaker 1: into this because you're saying that the Declaration is a

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Speaker 1: particular and a unique outflow of the spirit of the

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Speaker 1: people of America. And so I when we have you

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Speaker 1: in the next segment, I want to I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you what what was the break and what was

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Speaker 1: the distinction between America and UH and in Britain, what

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Speaker 1: what what what made us so unique? UH? And so

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on to that thought, there, doctor, until

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Speaker 1: we have you for for the next segment. But that

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Speaker 1: is that is a unique question. I think Thanksgiving holds

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Speaker 1: so many memories, and I'm sure it's the same for you.

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Speaker 1: Right now, there's a girl finding out she's pregnant in

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Speaker 1: and whatever decision she makes will become her memory of

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Speaker 1: this Thanksgiving for the rest of her life. What will

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Speaker 1: take any of these classes? Have you? Have you taken them?

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Speaker 1: Have you gone through them?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I take I take most of the when they

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Speaker 3: first come out, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And I know they're amazing to do.

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Speaker 3: We talk about them a lot.

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Speaker 7: We have two coming out next year on the on

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Speaker 7: seventeen seventy six from the American Revolution, So look out

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Speaker 7: for those two.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's fantastic. They are really well produced. People don't

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Speaker 1: like appreciate that. Like, they're beautifully shot, the lighting is perfect,

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Speaker 1: the visuals, I mean, they're incredible, and plus this one

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Speaker 1: you get doctor Larry On. So we're talking about how

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Speaker 1: great British the British imperialism actually maybe was because if

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Speaker 1: you could pay I mean, I know that's a controversial statement, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it. It was complicated business. But if you

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Speaker 1: take their colonies versus others, you could see that they

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Speaker 1: were far more successful. Even in Kenya, you know, which

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Speaker 1: was a British colonies. It's one of the most stable

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Speaker 1: countries in Africa anyways. But America was a British colony,

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Speaker 1: but we broke from what made America unique from the motherland,

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Speaker 1: From the mother country, what made the American soul so different?

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Speaker 7: Well, I'd almost have to write a book in you

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Speaker 7: a full answer to that question.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's your next one, doctor.

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Speaker 7: This one gets into a lot of that because I

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Speaker 7: actually draw that out, because that's again a crucial, crucial question.

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Speaker 7: So America is unique and different because it draws on

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Speaker 7: a lot of these traditions, I mean Western civilization, going

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Speaker 7: back to the Greeks and Romans, going through the Christian tradition,

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Speaker 7: going through England in particular, that is extremely important, creates

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Speaker 7: this thing called America. And America could go places the

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Speaker 7: British just could not go. The British weren't going to

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Speaker 7: get rid of their king as a practical matter, they

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Speaker 7: were going to have consent.

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Speaker 3: But the really the turning point comes when all those.

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Speaker 7: Things kind of combine, if you will, the Christian tradition

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Speaker 7: in particular, and the kind of rational Greek Roman tradition

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Speaker 7: and the British ruled law tradition, and they are forced

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Speaker 7: by the king and by his regulations and taxes to

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Speaker 7: come up with a new idea for the basis of

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Speaker 7: their freedom, and they do.

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Speaker 3: And the base of that is to.

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Speaker 7: Recognize in the very nature of things there is human equality.

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Speaker 7: And that is a radical idea, not revolutionary in the

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Speaker 7: modern sense of the French, but radical in the sense

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Speaker 7: of going back to the root of things, which is

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Speaker 7: the word radical means. That's a radical idea. Now that

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Speaker 7: grows out of the whole Western tradition through England, and

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Speaker 7: equality is a very Christian idea. But it's the first

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Speaker 7: time a nation dedicates itself to the idea.

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Speaker 3: Is the Americans.

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Speaker 7: So what's unique about it the American tradition is that

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Speaker 7: it's both a tradition of people.

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Speaker 3: We have a particular history. We're a place. We're made of.

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Speaker 7: This mix of these English people especially that can mix

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Speaker 7: with other people, and we have a lot of different religions.

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Speaker 7: All that is important, but we have this political these

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Speaker 7: ideas which are universal. All men are crety equal, not

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Speaker 7: just Americans, not just British. All men are cret equal.

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Speaker 7: So we're a particular nation dedicated to universal principles. That

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Speaker 7: those two things together gets back to what you were

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Speaker 7: earlier asking about what's unique here. A lot of countries

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Speaker 7: are defined as merely because they're they're German, or they're ethnicity.

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Speaker 7: And then there are a lot of modern countries like

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Speaker 7: the French or kind of radical claims, these various forms

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Speaker 7: of rational idealism. But the Americans had this melding, if

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Speaker 7: you will, of a certain ethnicity, tradition, and history with ideas.

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Speaker 7: But their ideas really go back to the earlier arguments

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Speaker 7: And as a result, I would say that's why America

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Speaker 7: really is is as Lincoln said the Last.

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Speaker 1: Great Hope, Doctor.

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Speaker 3: We do represent Western tradition today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and I wish we could keep going. We're

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Speaker 1: hitting the end of our show here. But it does

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Speaker 1: feel like America somehow took all the best things from

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Speaker 1: all the all the best ideas and put them together

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Speaker 1: and lifted up these universal truths. Of course, yeah, exactly. Well,

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Speaker 1: please check out that book, doctor spauld Spaulding. It was

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Speaker 1: so good to have you. We are the making of

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Speaker 1: the American mind. Thank you so much much. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys tomorrow.

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