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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale Morning Goring. In Ingrace America, I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: On this Wednesday, a lot of breaking news. The United

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Speaker 1: States has siezed to Venezuelan tankers run flying under a

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Speaker 1: Russian flag that has been the subject of a chase

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Speaker 1: for two weeks. One more recently identified has been seized

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Speaker 1: in the Caribbean. Protesters are bringing out all over Iran

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Speaker 1: and they've turned deadly. I'll get you details on that,

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Speaker 1: but the big story at this hour is coming out

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Speaker 1: of the Twin Cities where a protester, what is believed

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Speaker 1: to be a protester, a thirty seven year old white woman,

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Speaker 1: attempted to drive through an Ice agent after Ice agents

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Speaker 1: were talking to her by the side of the car.

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Speaker 1: We can play the best video of it as you

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Speaker 1: see she dead. The car is a big black Sedan.

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Speaker 1: There's an officer clearly the officer at the side of

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Speaker 1: the ICE agent who fires. I don't know how many shots.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was said. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. But if you're watching on the Salem

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Speaker 1: News Channel here in the Relief Factor studio, you can

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Speaker 1: see the slow motion. I've also posted this at the

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Speaker 1: top of my x account, so if you want to

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Speaker 1: see the best video I can identify thus far for

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Speaker 1: demonstrating what happened in Minneapolis, it's the one that I

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Speaker 1: have at the top of my ex account and we're

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Speaker 1: showing right now in the Salem News Channel. Mayor Fry

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Speaker 1: of Minneapolis immediately took to a press conference after the

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Speaker 1: shooting and killing of the driver, and so this cut

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Speaker 2: Do have a message for our community, for our city,

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Speaker 2: and I have a message for us.

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Speaker 3: To Ice out of Minneapolis. We do not want you here.

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Speaker 4: Your stated reason for being in this city is to

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Speaker 4: create some kind of safety, and you are doing exactly

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Speaker 4: the opposite. People are being hurt, families are being ripped apart.

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Speaker 4: Long term Minneapolis residents that have contributed so greatly to

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Speaker 4: our city, to our culture to our economy, are being terrorized,

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Speaker 4: and now somebody is dead. That's on you, and it's

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Speaker 4: also on you to leave.

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Speaker 1: Actually it's not on them. If they acted with legitimate force,

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Speaker 1: and it appears that they did, there'll be an investigation.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Jacob fry is, I'm moron who thinks he

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Speaker 1: is the President of the United States controls ICE. He doesn't.

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Speaker 1: ICE is a federal agency subject to the Director of

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security, who is subject to the President, and they

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Speaker 1: to be obstructed or attacked in any way or even

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Speaker 1: driven into I do not believe the ICE agent who

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Speaker 1: say this cut number three.

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Speaker 4: Collectively are going to do everything possible to get to

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Speaker 4: sure that there is an investigation that is conducted in full.

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Speaker 4: But what we do know is that a thirty seven

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Speaker 4: by ICE. We've dreaded this moment since the early stages

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Speaker 4: of this ICE presence in Minneapolis. Not only is this

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Speaker 4: They are not here to cause safety in this city.

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Speaker 4: What they are doing is not to provide safety in America.

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Speaker 3: What they are.

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Speaker 4: Doing is causing chaos and distrust. They're ripping families apart,

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Speaker 1: So Jacob Bry is a hard left mayor of a

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Speaker 1: Perhaps he's ignorant of basic constitutional structure, but ICE does

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Speaker 1: not answer to him. ICE does not go where local

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Speaker 1: this today at a Brownsville, Texas pressure cut number four.

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Speaker 5: Are you asked about a shooting that we just had

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Speaker 5: in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It was an act of domestic terrorism.

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Speaker 5: What happened was our ICE officers were out in an

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Speaker 5: continue to gather more information. But this goes to show

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Speaker 5: acts of terrorism. We're working with a Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: Now, Vice President Vance has given an interview to Jesse Waters,

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Speaker 1: Cut number five, well, I think Tim Walls should resign.

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Speaker 7: I almost feel bad for the guy, except for the

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Speaker 7: fact that he should have seen this and whether there

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Speaker 7: other way. It's a massive, massive failure of government.

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Speaker 1: gone to the left. He's inciting. I hope there's no

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Speaker 1: rioting tonight. He's trying to incite a riot intentionally or otherwise.

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Speaker 1: It could inside a riot. Meanwhile, on the tanker front,

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Speaker 8: The oil arrangement that we've made with pay Deavesa on

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Speaker 8: The President described it last night. Secretary Will Write will

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Speaker 1: They are running Venezuela through the leverage they have over

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Speaker 1: Terry Rubio went on to talk about Greenland at length

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Speaker 9: Seven by your comments, then why Greenland?

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Speaker 10: To the US intent to buy Greenland? Can you clarify

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Speaker 8: Well, that's always been the president's intent from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: He said it very early on. I mean, this is

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Speaker 8: He talked about it in his first term, and he's

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Speaker 8: not the first US president that has examined. They're looked at,

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Speaker 8: how could we acquire Greenland? There's an interest there. So

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Speaker 8: I just reminded them of the fact that not only

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Speaker 8: did Truman want to do it, but President Trump's been

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Speaker 8: talking about this since his first term.

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Speaker 11: Of the statement last night saying that the military options,

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Speaker 8: What I think the White House said yesterday is what

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Speaker 8: I will tell you now. And I've always said the

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Speaker 8: president always retained the option if he Every president, not

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Speaker 8: this president, every president always retains the option. I'm not

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Speaker 8: talking about Greenland. I'm just talking about globally. If the

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Speaker 8: through military means. As a diplomat, which is what I

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Speaker 8: am now and what we work on, we always prefer

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Speaker 8: to settle it in different ways. That included in Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: We tried repeatedly to reach an outcome here that did

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, the people are white came up to the same aggregate.

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Speaker 13: So you don't worry about that.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 8: First of all, the bottom line is that there is

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Speaker 1: Doing and are able to do.

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Speaker 8: But obviously this will be a process of transition. In

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Speaker 8: the end, it will be up to the Venezuelan people

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Speaker 8: to transform their country. We are prepared under the right conditions,

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Speaker 8: using the leverage that we have, which includes the fact

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Speaker 1: You a timeline on it.

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Speaker 8: We wanted to move as soon as possible, but we

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Speaker 12: It's been three days since this happened.

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Speaker 8: Four days since this happened. So I understand that in

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Speaker 8: this cycle and the society we now live in, everyone

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Speaker 8: already seeing progress with this new deal that's been announced

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Speaker 1: Alcoholm He's a referring to an announcement by President Trumpy

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Speaker 1: yesterday that two billion dollars worth of Venezuela and O

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Speaker 1: is going to be allowed to be exported from Venezuela

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Speaker 1: to the United States. Unclear to me whether or not

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Speaker 1: whether that is to defray the Operation Absolute Resolve costs.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, but we will continue to bring you news

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Speaker 1: of that. I'm talking to Secretary of Houston right after

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Speaker 1: the break. Find out what was said in the briefing

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Speaker 1: today in the Senate, if he intended, if indeed attended that,

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Speaker 1: and we'll continue to bring the updates from Minneapolis. And

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Speaker 1: just understand, the video appears to justify the shooting. But

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Speaker 1: we aren't there. You're not there. We don't have all

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Speaker 1: the angles. We don't know what was said to the

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Speaker 1: in the car was there now dead. We do know that,

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Speaker 1: Jacob Prize and moron and if you're listening on AM

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Speaker 1: twelve eighty the answer. I think he's inciting riots in

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Speaker 1: your city. Don't be surprised if you get them in

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Speaker 1: the stay tuned. Welcome back in America. I'm Hewett, joined

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Speaker 1: by the United States enter John Houston from the great

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Speaker 1: state of Ohio, my home state, Senator Houston, Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: happy twenty twenty six to you. I want to begin

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Speaker 1: by asking were you in the classified briefing this morning

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Speaker 1: on Operation Absolute Resolve in Venezuela over the weekend.

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Speaker 14: I was, I thought Secretary of Rubio and Secretary heg

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Speaker 14: Seth turned General Bondi and General Cain did an amazing

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Speaker 14: job of explaining what I think was one of the

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Speaker 14: most effective military actions of my lifetime. To go in

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Speaker 14: It's absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 14: We have federal law enforcement officials that enforce that law.

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Speaker 14: That's just like saying that you're going to tell the

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Speaker 3: In these look, we have to enforce the rule of law.

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Speaker 3: So we want to end that.

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Speaker 3: And look, we need it, Hugh.

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Speaker 14: I had somebody say, hey, the Chinese government subsidizes people

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Speaker 1: Senator John Houston of Ohio always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Come right back, t I'm here here, Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, we don't want an incident to end this way,

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Speaker 10: But there are several angles of this interaction between ice

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Speaker 10: There will be an investigation, but I'm sort of mystified

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Speaker 1: Stop that is to get the blank out of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: and then Keith Ellison is going to try and prosecute him.

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Speaker 1: And so if there aren't riots tonight, which Jacob Fry

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Speaker 1: might very well be setting off, I am afraid of

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Speaker 1: a circus. Am I overreacting to the fact that Keith

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Speaker 1: Ellison's a moron?

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Speaker 13: I don't think you're overreacting.

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Speaker 10: That seems like a very likely chain of events, and

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Speaker 10: I hope that it won't come to pass that there

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Speaker 10: are riots. Protests of course totally fine, But again, the

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Speaker 10: left is not great at observing the difference between a

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Speaker 10: protest and an act of violence, and that we don't

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Speaker 10: know motives yet or exactly what came before this incident,

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Speaker 10: but it looks like that may have been sort of

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Speaker 10: what happened here is that a protest turned into an

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Speaker 10: act of violence, and those are not covered by the

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Speaker 10: same protections.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me play for you Jacob Fry from three

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Speaker 1: days ago. Okay, so this is three days ago, cut

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Speaker 4: May Or Fry, I am increasingly concerned because of the

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Speaker 4: chaos that is being caused by these ice agents, that

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Speaker 4: somebody is gonna get seriously injured or killed. Somebody is

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Speaker 4: going to get seriously injured or killed. And whether that

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Speaker 4: is an ICE agent or a community member, we all

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Speaker 4: know the tinderbox that could explode because of it.

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Speaker 1: Americ Catherineze helping things are just being a profit there?

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Speaker 13: Well that yeah, Well, that's that's the question.

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Speaker 10: Are you predicting or are you sort of willing into existence?

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Speaker 13: What's going to happen here?

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Speaker 10: Look, I think chaos has come for a long time

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Speaker 10: from lack of governance and lack of abiding by the

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Speaker 10: law or enforcing the law in liberal cities, and that

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Speaker 13: Law enforcement is in those cities. In some of those cities.

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Speaker 10: Local law enforcement is not allowed or refuses, thanks to

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Speaker 10: liberal mayors to help with the calm enforcement of the law,

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Speaker 10: and then officers end up in more dangerous positions than

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Speaker 13: I think this is a really.

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Speaker 10: Sad outcome, and I fear that it will get worse

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Speaker 10: in the coverage thereof and in the prosecution if Ellison

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Speaker 10: decides to do that thereof. But I don't usually take

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Speaker 13: But there are three to.

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Speaker 10: Four angles of this video that it seems clear that

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Speaker 10: this person was intent on driving toward the officer and

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Speaker 13: That's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: It is a big deal. The question will be whether

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Speaker 1: or not the firing of the shot is an appropriate

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Speaker 1: response to them, And I don't know the answer to

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Speaker 1: she backed up and then accelerated forward and he thought

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Speaker 1: he was in danger of his life. But we don't

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Speaker 1: know yet. I just know Jacob Friesa warn who's going

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Speaker 1: to try and get Minneapolis burned down. Mary Katherine Ham

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to hear you and Vic talk about

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Speaker 1: this on the next Getting Hammered podcasts. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: like and subscribe to it and see Mary Catherine along

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Speaker 1: with me often on the Fox News Channel, Stay tuned,

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Speaker 1: America Morning Glory and Amian Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewitt

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Speaker 1: in the Early Factory Studio West. I am joined in

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Speaker 1: this day of breaking news by Noah C. Rothman, Senior

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Speaker 1: editor at National Review, is also, of course the participant

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Speaker 1: frequently in the mimentary podcasts, as well as occasionally on

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Speaker 1: I've Got This Reversed, the National Review podcast, and occasionally

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Speaker 1: on the podcast for commentary. Noah, welcome, big breaking newsday.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Minneapolis. President Trump has just posted a

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Speaker 1: truth social post. I want to read it to you.

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Speaker 1: I've just viewed the clip of the event, which took

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Speaker 1: place in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is a horrible thing to watch.

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Speaker 1: The woman screaming was obviously a professional agitator, and the

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Speaker 1: woman driving the car was very disorderly obstructing and resisting,

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Speaker 1: who then violently, willfully and viciously ran over the ice

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Speaker 1: officer who seems to have shot her in self defense.

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Speaker 1: Based on the attached clip, it is hard to believe

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Speaker 1: he is alive but is now recovering in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: The situation is being studied in its entirety. But the

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Speaker 1: reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left

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Speaker 1: capital ar capital is threatening, assaulting, and targeting our law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officers and ice agents on a daily basis. They

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Speaker 1: are just trying to do the job of making America safe.

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Speaker 1: All in caps. We need to stand by and protect

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Speaker 1: our law enforcement officers from the radical left movement of

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Speaker 1: violence and hate. Now, Noah, before we get to your reaction,

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Speaker 1: tell people what the new title of your forthcoming book is.

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Speaker 15: It's called Blood and Progress, A Century of Left Wing

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Speaker 15: Violence in America. It's coming out on May nineteenth, and

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Speaker 15: I hope you'll consider pre ordering it.

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone will. And Dwayne and I were talking

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Speaker 1: with you off air. You may have to add another chapter.

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Speaker 1: If what happens in Minneapolis tonight happens in Minneapolis, I

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Speaker 1: think Jacob Fry's comments are going to lead to a riot.

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Speaker 1: Your assessment of this entire situation.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, First, the inciting incident.

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Speaker 15: I've watched about three or four videos of it, and

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Speaker 15: I've seen enough to get a general shape of the event,

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Speaker 15: but not nearly enough to render a verdict on it.

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Speaker 15: And I'm shocked at the extent to which so many

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Speaker 15: in the common terry class and political professionals and elected

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Speaker 15: officials are rendering judgments on this event as practically as

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Speaker 15: it's happening in real time, to a degree that seems

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Speaker 15: designed to inflame public opinion, the precise opposite of what

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Speaker 15: responsible communicators and responsible political actors should be doing in

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Speaker 15: these moments. I've seen Jacob frees reactions, I've seen Governor

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Speaker 15: Wall's reactions. Who's preemptively activating in the National Guarden?

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Speaker 1: It I don't know about this. What's Walls doing? That's

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Speaker 1: news to me.

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Speaker 15: Preemptively activating the National Guard, issuering a warning I'm sorry,

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Speaker 15: and order a warning order to the Minnesota National Garden

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Speaker 15: in anticipation of civil unrest. And it seems very much

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Speaker 15: like the civil unrest is the sort of thing that

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Speaker 15: they anticipate, if not invite. Jacob hard thing for me

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Speaker 15: to say, let me have the estate to which they're agitating,

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Speaker 15: makes it hard for me to think anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me have the audience listen to Mayor Jacob

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Speaker 1: Frye cut number two.

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Speaker 2: Do have a message for our community for a city,

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Speaker 2: and I have a message for Ice.

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Speaker 3: Two. Ice out of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: We bleeped out the F bomb. Noahs for the benefit

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Speaker 1: of you. We are an FCC regulated broadcast station on

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Speaker 1: television and radio, so we can't use the F bomb.

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Speaker 1: Even when the Mayor of Minnesota does Minneapolis. Here's a

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Speaker 1: second comment cut number three. The audios off Harley of.

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Speaker 4: This to get justice and to make sure that there

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Speaker 4: is an investigation that is conducted in full. But what

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Speaker 4: we do know is that a thirty seven year old

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Speaker 4: woman is dead and that she was shot by ice.

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Speaker 4: We've dreaded this moment since the early stages of this

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Speaker 4: ice presence in Minneapolis. Not only is this a concern

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Speaker 4: that we've had internally, we've been talking about it.

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Speaker 1: So Caro, I want to phrase the cat hold the

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Speaker 1: screen on there? Can you put the clip back up there,

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Speaker 1: Harley and freeze it? No, there's a police officer who

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Speaker 1: is left. There's a police officer to do, is right?

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Speaker 1: There's an interpreter. Then there are these two guys standing there.

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Speaker 1: Who are they? What are they doing there?

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Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 15: I mean stakeholders in Minneapolis at this point, and certainly

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Speaker 15: stakeholders in the career of Mayor Fry and Governor Wallas

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Speaker 15: given the corruption scandals swirling around them. That's such a

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Speaker 15: profoundly irresponsible statement. We don't have the body cam footage.

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Speaker 15: We don't know if a jury presented with all the

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Speaker 15: facts will determine that the woman who engaged a vehicle

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Speaker 15: prior to these shots being fired. We will determine that

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Speaker 15: the driver was going at the police or away from

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Speaker 15: the police. All that matters in a courtroom, but we're

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Speaker 15: a judicating this now in the court of public opinion,

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Speaker 15: which is a terrible place for these facts to be assessed.

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Speaker 15: And I think that's in part because they want that

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Speaker 15: to be the case. These political officials in Minneapolis want

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Speaker 15: Minnesota want us to be chewing over a narrative, not facts,

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Speaker 15: a narrative in order to inflame. And the passions are

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Speaker 15: alive on social media right now, and it's the sort

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Speaker 15: of passions we should be very afraid of. Over the

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Speaker 15: course of the last year, there were multiple attacks on

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Speaker 15: ice officers, on CVP officers, deadly attacks designed to murder them,

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Speaker 15: including a small cell terrorist action in Texas involving ten

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Speaker 15: individuals who use sophisticated strategies in order to lure out

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Speaker 15: their targets and attack them from multiple fire positions, multiple angles.

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Speaker 15: It was a terrorist assault, one of several. And the

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Speaker 15: increasing attacks on American law enforcement are, just to bring

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Speaker 15: it a little bit back to my book, are indicative

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Speaker 15: of waves of terroristic violence. Of the sort left wing

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Speaker 15: terroristic violence of the sort we've seen throughout the twentieth

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Speaker 15: century and the nineteen tens, in the nineteen twenties, nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 15: nineteen seventies, early nineteen eighties, and now these waves had

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Speaker 15: they come in cascades and they crest in ways that

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Speaker 15: that bloodshed will look like if we have a wave

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Speaker 15: of violence akin to the one that overtook the nineteen

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Speaker 15: and that's what I try to warrant about.

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Speaker 12: But these warnings are going unheated.

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Speaker 15: There is so much temptation out there in the zeitgeist

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Speaker 15: for something like an existential violent conflict with their political opponents.

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Speaker 15: I don't even know if it can be stopped at

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Speaker 15: this point.

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Speaker 1: No, I got to go back in time to nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two. It was my second month on television. Is

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Speaker 1: nightly news and public affairs show Life and Times. And

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Speaker 1: I've been on the air to two months when La

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Speaker 1: went up in flames in the nineteen ninety two riots.

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Speaker 1: Many many people were killed, many people were injured. It

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Speaker 1: first trial falling from the Rodney King beating, and I

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Speaker 1: believe Darryl Gates said something that was, if not inflammatory,

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Speaker 1: it was almost to stand down order. Then we had

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Speaker 1: Florence and Normandy, and nothing happened. It was like beaming

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Speaker 1: an alert signal to every bad guy in the city

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Speaker 1: who then went out and rioted. I would not be

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Speaker 1: surprised if Minneapolis is the scene of violence tonight.

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Speaker 15: Would you be, well, you'd said something at the end

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Speaker 15: of the last hour, which is a hopeful mitigating circumstances.

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Speaker 1: That's cold, yep.

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Speaker 15: If it was the summertime, it would be almost a

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Speaker 15: certainty that we would at least see agitated demonstrations and

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Speaker 15: isolated incidents of riot.

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Speaker 12: Is violence.

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Speaker 15: You can't rule it out, though, because a lot of

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Speaker 15: the violence, the mob violence that we saw in twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty twenty one, was not organic, was not spontaneous.

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Speaker 15: It was coordinated and planned. You don't take my word

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Speaker 15: for it, take the word of New York city's police

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Speaker 15: officials who identified out of state actors who were working

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Speaker 15: in concert with other actors across the country in order

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Speaker 15: to foment that kind of riot is violence. This sort

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Speaker 15: of thing is organized, and to the extent that it's organized,

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Speaker 15: it can materialize even in the absence of the kind

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Speaker 15: of organic circumstances in which people just languidly mill about

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Speaker 15: until there's some sort of an incident which snaps the

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Speaker 15: reptilian part of your brain into action and you just

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Speaker 12: That's not what we would be talking about. We would

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Speaker 15: About organized insurrectionary activity, and we cannot rule that out.

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Speaker 1: Let me move from this to Operation Absolute Resolve. Do

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Speaker 1: you believe the demonstrators urging the release of Maduro in

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn or New York where he was held to Manhattan

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Speaker 1: or Brooklyn, that that was organically organized? That promaduvan Chevass

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Speaker 1: in New York just showed up on behalf of Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 15: Maybe some, because it was really only a handful. It wasn't,

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Speaker 15: you know, a mass demonstration. But I would imagine there's

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Speaker 15: a list serve somewhere that appeals to the fellow travelers

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Speaker 15: out there.

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Speaker 12: I don't think any of them were paid to show up.

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Speaker 15: For example, there really are a bunch of people who

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Speaker 15: are just mindless progressive buffoons who believe in the utopia

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Speaker 15: that Hugo chav has established in Caracas. They're just you

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Speaker 15: can't you can't say that you know, it's Handlin's razor.

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Speaker 15: You can't attribute necessarily to malice that which is more

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Speaker 15: easily explained by stupidity. So I'm willing to lean into

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Speaker 15: stupidity there. But certainly there's they're organized organizations that foment

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Speaker 15: that kind of hostility and say this is where we're

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Speaker 15: going to meet, and you guys should all show up.

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Speaker 12: But I don't know if.

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Speaker 15: There's an organized effort there akin to what we were talking

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Speaker 15: about when it comes to the violence of twenty twenty

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Speaker 15: and the riots and the degree to which those were

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Speaker 15: organized and coordinated.

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Speaker 1: Now, can I keep you in front of the segment? Noah?

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Speaker 1: Have you got time? Sure? Okay, I want to comment

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Speaker 1: to you on what the web has done, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to the very unusual way of get leading into this.

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Speaker 1: Last year or the year before that, a revival of

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Speaker 1: sorts began at Asbury College in Kentucky and because of

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Speaker 1: the web. It became a national incident, and people attracted

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Speaker 1: to in quote revivals flooded the town and the college

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Speaker 1: and they were overwhelmed. I do believe the Internet allows

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Speaker 1: people to get you know, turn their car around and

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Speaker 1: head for Minneapolis. Right now and after the break, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk with Noah if he thinks that might

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Speaker 1: happen tonight in Minneapolis. I'll go check the weather during

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Speaker 1: the break as well. Don't go anywhere America. I'm to

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Speaker 1: chew it. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewett, joined

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Speaker 1: by our friend Noah Rothman of National Review. Noah is

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Speaker 1: the author of the forthcoming book Blood and What We

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Speaker 1: Call It Noah, Blood and.

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Speaker 15: What Blood and Progress, a Century of left wing violence

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Speaker 15: in America.

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Speaker 1: You are going to you are going to need another chapter, Noah.

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Speaker 1: It is forty one degrees in Minneapolis right now. It's

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Speaker 1: not going to get that cold tonight. It's going to

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Speaker 1: get down to thirty degrees. And tomorrow about two pm

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Speaker 1: Minnesota time, it's going to rain or snow a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but it's from Minnesota. That's balmy. There are crowds already

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Speaker 1: chasing cops out. We have some video of that. So

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Speaker 1: let me play the Tim Walls clip that we just

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Speaker 1: got so that the audience can hear what you know,

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Speaker 1: a rothsman have already heard cut number thirteen.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I hope maybe we're at their McCarthy moment.

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Speaker 6: Do you have no decency? Do you have no decency?

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Speaker 6: We have someone dead in their car for no reason whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And and I.

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Speaker 6: Don't want to be right about this, but I said,

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Speaker 6: if they do this, they're going to create a chaotic

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Speaker 6: situation where someone innocent's going to get killed and they.

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Speaker 1: No for no reason. What do you make of that commentary?

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Speaker 1: For no reason?

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Speaker 15: I mean a couple of things first, and it's a

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Speaker 15: relatively cheap shot. But the quote is not do you

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Speaker 15: have no decency? The Joe Welsh quote, which is famous

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Speaker 15: is have you no decency?

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Speaker 1: Sir?

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Speaker 15: That has the advantage of being grammatically correct. Yeah, And

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Speaker 15: I can't understand why you said it twice, Actually I can't.

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Speaker 15: It's because he has absolutely no concern for how he

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Speaker 15: comes off. The man is a buffoon, He's a boob.

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Speaker 15: He cannot meet the measure of any moment much.

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Speaker 1: No need do in indulgent compliments. Noah you don't have

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Speaker 1: to build up.

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Speaker 15: His inclination here is so reckless, so grotesque. It is

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Speaker 15: to indict the federal government and law enforcement officers having

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Speaker 15: absolutely no basis to render that judgment. He does not

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Speaker 15: have the evidentiary threshold to render that judgment. So rather

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Speaker 15: than be responsible and hold back and allow cooler heads

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Speaker 15: to prevail, he's instigating. He's telling them that this person

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Speaker 15: was killed, was murdered.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps add that number fifteen, which is where you say

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Speaker 1: X hoping not X happens. Cut number fifteen A sultans,

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Speaker 1: don't take the bait.

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Speaker 6: Do not take the bait. Do not allow them to

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Speaker 6: deploy federal troops into here, do not allow them to

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Speaker 6: invoke the Insurrection Act, do not allow them to declare

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Speaker 6: martial law. Do not allow them to lie about the

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Speaker 6: security and the decency of this state. And let's let

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Speaker 6: this investigations play itself out. Let's make sure we protect

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Speaker 6: our neighbors. I encourage you to use your First Amendment rights,

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Speaker 6: in all of your constitutional rights, but do so in

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Speaker 6: a peaceful manner. We'll gather back with you as soon

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Speaker 6: as we gather more information that needs to be put out.

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Speaker 1: But again, Stace, what do you think of that.

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Speaker 15: Noah, I'm glad you said, do so in a peaceful manner,

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Speaker 15: But that is the sort of thing you say to

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Speaker 15: indemnify yourself after you've expressed fourteen other sentences which are instigatory,

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Speaker 15: which are the sort of thing that would inspire people

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Speaker 15: to get out in the streets under the impression that

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Speaker 15: they are acting righteously and judiciously because the federal government

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Speaker 15: is lawless and is indeed engaged in a violent attack

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Speaker 15: on the citizens of Minnesota. He had said previously, we

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Speaker 15: have never been at war with the federal government. He

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Speaker 15: said that word. He said those words as though we are. Now,

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Speaker 15: what's the implication there? Why would you even say such

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Speaker 15: a thing unless you were saying that in order to

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Speaker 15: identify the anyateh the time, the before and after, before

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Speaker 15: it was peaceful. Now it is a state of conflict.

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Speaker 12: This is all very reckless. Now I want to go

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Speaker 12: back playing with fire. Then they don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back five years in a day

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump addressing a crowd near the Lincoln Memorial

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Speaker 1: on the Ellipse, when he said, now go march to

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Speaker 1: the Capitol peacefully and demonstrate, and Jack Smith said that

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Speaker 1: was enough to charge him with the incent to riot,

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Speaker 1: and he thought hold him responsible for the capital riot

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Speaker 1: of January sixth. Is there a difference in kind here?

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Speaker 1: Because I think actually Walts is inciting and I don't

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Speaker 1: think President Trump was because of the distance that had

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Speaker 1: to be covered under the Brandenburg test in the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court lore. But I don't think Walts will be guilty

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Speaker 1: of anything either. If people riot tonight, do you no?

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Speaker 15: Because no, because the Brandenburg Test, this is not the

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Speaker 15: right thing to apply here. We're not talking about criminal charges.

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Speaker 15: We're not talking about the charge of incitement to violence,

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Speaker 15: which is a notoriously difficult to prove.

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Speaker 12: This is not a legal issue.

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Speaker 15: This is about being a responsible political actor, and responsible

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Speaker 15: political actors say, yeah, you know this is this is

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Speaker 15: an assault on your rights. We are a war with

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Speaker 15: the federal government. They're coming to murder you. They want

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Speaker 15: to invade this state, they want to occupy this state.

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Speaker 15: They want to take away your rights.

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Speaker 1: But be peaceful.

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Speaker 15: That doesn't invalidate the last fourteen sentences you said. And

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Speaker 15: I would say the same thing about Donald Trump and died.

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Speaker 15: I have in a twenty five hundred word piece published

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Speaker 15: today about the January sixth revisionism that was published to

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Speaker 15: the White House's website, which I found absolutely obnoxious. So

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Speaker 15: I've got credibility on both ends of the spectrum here.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're talking about one role. I've always had one role,

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Speaker 1: which is Jack Smith was out of control. Because you

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Speaker 1: might condemn whatever happened on the mall, and certainly I

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Speaker 1: condemn what happened at the Capitol, but not that wasn't

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Speaker 1: criminal what Donald Trump said and Roddy Giuliani and Johnny Baseman.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't branden Berg incitement. And neither Jacob Frye nor

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Speaker 1: Tim Waltz are engaged in brandon Burg incitement because you

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Speaker 1: must have the present ability and intent to cause violence

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Speaker 1: when you urge people to cause violence, and they don't

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Speaker 1: have that. But they are remarkably indifferent to the history

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Speaker 1: of Minneapolis. Right, This is blase, Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Bluse to a degree that is really irresponsible. And I

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Speaker 15: don't think you can divorce the scandal that is engulfing Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. So I was getting there, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: expand because the guys in the picture, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that they are Somali Americans. I don't know that they're not.

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Speaker 1: I suspect that they are, but I don't know. Do

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Speaker 1: you think they are?

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Speaker 15: I don't know either, But that's a really reasonable suspicion. Yes,

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Speaker 15: based on the extent to which this diaspora has an

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Speaker 15: outsize influence, given the size of the population, outsize influence

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Speaker 15: over the politics of Minnesota, Minneapolis in particular, in Minnesota too,

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Speaker 15: and we've seen the degree to which they can builk

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Speaker 15: this state out of untold billions of dollars with very

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Speaker 15: little oversight. Indeed, we have records that indicate that, in

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Speaker 15: at least the case of the Minneapolis Education Department, they

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Speaker 15: were scared to death of this community merely because they

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Speaker 15: could be accused by it of being racist for looking

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Speaker 15: too hard at their graft and corruption, and they won

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Speaker 15: that argument with an ultimatum alone. So yes, it's important

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Speaker 15: for us to say that because of your own admissions,

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Speaker 15: we can assess that you do not have the wherewithal

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Speaker 15: to confront this community, to police this community. And because

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Speaker 15: it has become such a scandal in Minnesota, it's blowing

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Speaker 15: up in Minnesota. It's not so much a national scandal anymore.

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Speaker 15: Minnesota has been consumed with this for months at least

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Speaker 15: since the piece of New York Times that came out

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Speaker 15: just before Thanksgiving, And that's the sort of thing that

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Speaker 15: you might want to get off the front pages, especially

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Speaker 15: last jam Tim Walt's career.

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Speaker 1: Last question, if you were a fraudster in Minneapolis, if

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Speaker 1: you actually know that you're guilty, but you haven't been

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Speaker 1: convicted yet are charged, would you want a riot tonight?

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Speaker 12: That's a good question. Why, in your estimation, just.

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Speaker 1: To turn the page, change the subject get get away,

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Speaker 1: and which changed out all resources? It would?

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Speaker 15: I don't think it would save you from being indicted

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Speaker 15: or prosecuted. So the individual who makes that calculation is

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Speaker 15: probably miscalculating. But from a political perspective, for individuals who

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Speaker 15: presided over this scandal, who aren't going to face criminal

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Speaker 15: charges for it, but are facing consequences in the arena

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Speaker 15: of public opinion for it, yeah, you absolutely would want

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Speaker 15: to turn the page on this. And even domestic violence,

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Speaker 15: as awful as that was, it really didn't turn out

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Speaker 15: so terribly for Tim Walls and Jacob Fry. They survived it,

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Speaker 15: so that's their experience, that's how they approach this scenario.

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Speaker 15: Why wouldn't they think they'll survive.

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Speaker 1: This Oh, that's an excellent point. Muscle memory is be

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Speaker 1: on the side of the rioters. I was re elected.

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Speaker 1: That's muscle memory. There are no riots right now. There

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Speaker 1: are some crowds that have gathered in Minneapolis. They've changed

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Speaker 1: some police away in various neighborhoods, but there are no riots,

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Speaker 1: no violence yet, other than the killing of the thirty

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Speaker 1: seven year old driver for appears to have backed up

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Speaker 1: and then accelerated into an ice agent. No Ce Roffman

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Speaker 1: on X. Thank you, Noah. I'll be right back in America. Statement.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back America. I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm joined by Philip Belbonie,

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Speaker 1: CEO and lead at the GlobalPost. GlobalPost dot com covers

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Speaker 1: the world every single morning in your inbox, Philip, Happy

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Speaker 1: New Year to you. How are you.

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Speaker 16: Happy New Year here? I'm great, I'm great, very good

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Speaker 16: to see you.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you very well. We're going to talk. We're

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Speaker 1: going to divert from Minnesota for a moment, and from

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Speaker 1: Venezuela and from Iran. Yes, because I read your lead

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Speaker 1: story this morning on Haiti. Now, Haiti comes in and

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Speaker 1: out of the American news cycle, and it's never good news.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it had gotten this bad. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you fill the audience in on the eleven million hations

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Speaker 1: and what they're living through right now?

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Speaker 13: Sure?

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Speaker 16: Well, first I want to say you in a world

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Speaker 16: filled with great problems, which you and all your listeners

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Speaker 16: and viewers now, Haiti is a special kind of hell

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Speaker 16: there really is. It's a very sad place. You know,

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Speaker 16: it's our lead story this morning pointed out. You know,

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Speaker 16: it's a country devastated by gang warfare. I mean, gangs

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Speaker 16: control ninety percent of the capital city of Porto Prince,

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Speaker 16: ten percent of the population of eleven million.

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Speaker 13: As you mentioned, you have.

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Speaker 16: Been displaced, basically homeless. Fifteen thousand people have been killed

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Speaker 16: by the gangs in the last four years. There's basically

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Speaker 16: no government.

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Speaker 13: There is a.

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Speaker 16: Transitional Council which has been in place for a couple

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Speaker 16: of years. Their mandate runs out in February next month,

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Speaker 16: and then there will be no government at all. So

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Speaker 16: it's a dire situation that despite the efforts of the

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Speaker 16: international community over decades, really has not improved. If anything,

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Speaker 16: it has gotten worse.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to remind people the United States has

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Speaker 1: invaded Haiti at least three times, most recently in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety four, when President Clintons sent American Marines in an

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Speaker 1: attempt to bring calm. The UN has had a multinational

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Speaker 1: force there which failed to bring order, and now there

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Speaker 1: is talk of a different UN force. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be the same thing, isn't it. Papa Doc and Baby

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Speaker 1: Doc were dictators, but people didn't die every day by

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Speaker 1: gang warfare.

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Speaker 13: Right, You're right.

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Speaker 16: There is the UN Security Council, with the support of

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Speaker 16: the United States, Russia and China abstained from the vote,

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Speaker 16: but it did pass. Fifty five hundred new police and

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Speaker 16: troops from somewhere not known yet will go and they

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Speaker 16: will try their hand at bringing some degree of order.

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Speaker 16: It's called the Gang Suppression Force, aptly named. Will this

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Speaker 16: make a difference, I surely can't say it's fair to

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Speaker 16: note that, as you have, I think already that all

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Speaker 16: these other efforts have not succeeded. You know, the Kenya

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Speaker 16: sent almost a thousand troops to Haiti in the hope

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Speaker 16: of bringing some peace. They've been able to achieve little

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Speaker 16: to nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've only been to the Dominican Republic, which is

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Speaker 1: on Hispanola, the island that was discovered by Columbus fourteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two. And the DR is a relatively stable place

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Speaker 1: and Haiti refugee you are not welcome there. If they

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Speaker 1: get there, they end up living in dumb, most impoverished areas,

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Speaker 1: the very mountaintops of this because they have no money

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Speaker 1: and no resources. But the the d R does not

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Speaker 1: want Haiti right, they won't let them across their border.

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Speaker 16: No, no, I mean, the Dominican Republic has a thriving

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Speaker 16: tourist industry, and obviously there many Dominicans are very well

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Speaker 16: known for baseball. We had one here in Boston, as

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Speaker 16: you may remember, Big Poppy, very beloved figure here in

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Speaker 16: Red Sox baseball.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting to meet Philip Belbony is that nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to go in in the United States? Am I correct

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Speaker 1: in observing? There isn't a left wing Democrat or a

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Speaker 1: right wing Republican or anybody in between. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: take on Haiti. It is the Rubricks Creek cube of

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Speaker 1: the world. It's worse than Gaza, It's worse than the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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Speaker 17: It's not governable, it's not I mean, and you know,

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Speaker 17: this is a country that is close to us closer

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Speaker 17: even than Venezuela.

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Speaker 16: The people there deserve a good life, a better life.

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Speaker 16: You know, not to overdo it, but as I said,

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Speaker 16: it is a special kind of hell. I don't know

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Speaker 16: why the Good Lord has done this to the people

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Speaker 16: of Haiti. Somehow, some way, maybe it'll be a miracle

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Speaker 16: for them. I wish I knew the answer. I wish

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Speaker 16: I could help myself.

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Speaker 1: Well. I appreciate that. By the way, my brothers in

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Speaker 1: laws operator in orphanage in Haiti for years. They gave up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were great Christian people. They tried for

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Speaker 1: years and years and years, as did many missionaries of

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Speaker 1: variety of both Catholic and Protestant. Most have pulled out

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Speaker 1: because it's too dangerous. It's just too danger dangerous. So Philip,

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Speaker 1: I've gotten new affiliates at the start of the new year.

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Speaker 1: I want to tell them about the Global Post. I

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Speaker 1: would not have known about the Haiti story and the

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Speaker 1: gang suppression initiative. Doom though it might be maybe it

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Speaker 1: And when I want to emphasize to our new listener,

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Speaker 16: Sure, our mission is to help people know the world

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Speaker 16: better here. That's as simple as that. You know, all

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Speaker 16: of us have been focused on what's happening in Venezuela.

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Speaker 16: The challenge is facing the world. People need to know more.

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Speaker 16: It's very hard to get trustworthy global news. This is

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Speaker 16: what we do. We're nonpartisan. We have a pretty large audience,

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Speaker 16: thank goodness, and we're here to help people stay better

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Speaker 13: And the price is only forty six dollars a year.

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Speaker 16: We arrived in your inbox at six am every Monday

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Speaker 16: students and teachers, high school college. It's free to them

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Speaker 13: Doing that work.

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Speaker 16: We have students all over the world now and teachers

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Speaker 16: reading Global Posts every morning. It's a wonderful thing.

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Speaker 13: I know it means a lot to you too.

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Speaker 16: And young people as much as anyone need to be

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Speaker 16: better informed about the world, they are going to be

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Speaker 16: the ones who are taking over leadership and business world,

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Speaker 16: and they need to understand now more than ever.

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Speaker 1: We used to joke about people they couldn't find X,

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Speaker 1: Y and Z on a map. Now people can't find

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Speaker 1: anything on a map. And so one of the things

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Speaker 1: is I like Global posts is they provide you the maps,

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Speaker 1: they provide you the background, and they bring stories to

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Speaker 1: your attention. It's a genuine christ Haiti. I had no

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Speaker 1: idea it had dissolved into this level of complete chaos.

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Speaker 1: It's a talk about a failed state. It reminds me

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Speaker 1: of Mgadishu during blackhawk Down days. But if you didn't

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Speaker 1: expect Venezuela, Philip Balboni has been covering it for months.

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Speaker 1: I know he'll be covering the Iranian Revolution as well

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Speaker 1: as that continues to descend into chaos. Philip, good to

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Speaker 1: see you. Follow Philip on x at p Balboni and

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Speaker 1: to get the Global Post, whether for free or via subscription,

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Speaker 1: about the world, even if your local media outlets aren't.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned America. I'll be back with the latest from

1006
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Speaker 1: Saint Paul and Minneapolis. As unrest appears to grow there

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Speaker 1: at this hour, I'll bring up the speed when I'm

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Speaker 1: back on the qq AT show. Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Keth Hewitt, joined by Sarah Bedford. Happy New Year

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Speaker 1: to the Washington Examiner Senior, your political correspondent.

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Speaker 12: How are you, Sarah, I'm great, Happy new year, Hugh,

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I began the program with Senator Houston, who briefed us

1014
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Speaker 1: about what he could brief is about about the Senate

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Speaker 1: classified briefing on Operation Absolute Result. What's the reaction three

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Speaker 1: days out to the extraordinary maneuver of the United States

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Speaker 1: military and Venezuela. Over the weekend, you.

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Speaker 9: Still have Democrats expressing outrage over what happened, skepticism about

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Speaker 9: the plans for the future of Venezuela, the control of

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Speaker 9: the country, the plan to continue selling Venezuelan oil and

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Speaker 9: potentially control the revenues from that by the Trump administration.

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Speaker 9: You also had some frustration from the Senate Judiciary Committee,

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Speaker 9: which I thought was interesting because Chuck Grassley, the chairman,

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Speaker 9: very rarely criticized the Trump administration, but there was frustration

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Speaker 9: having been left out of those initial briefings because the

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Speaker 9: administration is building this as a law enforcement operation simply

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Speaker 9: supported by the military, but overall you're really seeing the

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Speaker 9: reactions continue to break out on party lines.

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Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton, new chairman of the Intel Committee in

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Speaker 1: the Senate and a member of the Group of Eight,

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Speaker 1: was my guest two days ago. He was not upset

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Speaker 1: that the notice he received was after the mission was over,

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Speaker 1: at three point thirty in the morning. When Secretary Rubio

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Speaker 1: called him Secretary Ruby, of course formerly in the Group

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Speaker 1: of Eight, because he had formerly been head of Cented Intel.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me he is very much, perhaps more

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Speaker 1: than any Secretary of State in our lifetime, aware of

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Speaker 1: the nuances of South and Central America, because he's from

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Speaker 1: Florida and is of Cuban descent, and we seize two

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Speaker 1: Venezuelan anchors to oil tankers today at the same time

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Speaker 1: President Trump agreed to let oil from Venezuela into the

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Speaker 1: United States.

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Speaker 9: I think you're right about Marco Rubio. I mean, his

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Speaker 9: influence is clearly enormous here. He's in the right place

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Speaker 9: at the right time for this sort of operation, having

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Speaker 9: such a deep well of knowledge, and this is something

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Speaker 9: that he's advocated for in the past, so he's really

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Speaker 9: perfectly positioned to have a big impact here. But it

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Speaker 9: all really depends if this is part of Rubio's legacy

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Speaker 9: on what the future.

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Speaker 13: Of this is.

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Speaker 9: That if you're talking about through a domestic political lens, Trump's supporters,

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Speaker 9: a lot of them feel, you know, they didn't vote

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Speaker 9: for foreign policy adventurism. The nexus to sort of America

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Speaker 9: first interest isn't immediately clear for a lot of you know,

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Speaker 9: mega America first people. And so the risk for Rubio

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Speaker 9: and to Donald Trump is that this devolves into some

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Speaker 9: sort of nation building exercise, which is the precise thing

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Speaker 9: that Donald Trump did run against. Whatever you think of

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Speaker 9: the merits of the Operation Venezuela, that's absolutely not something

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Speaker 9: that was part of Trump's pitch to vote.

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Speaker 1: Now. I saw Harry answerin yesterday say that eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of people who voted for Trump approve of the Venezuelan

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Speaker 1: operation eighty six percents a lot, and so there is

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Speaker 1: a fourteen percent or I either don't know or oppose it.

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Speaker 1: So there is that element, But I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: nation build building. I do think it's Reagan big stick

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Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt big stick quote diplomacy, and that we are

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Speaker 1: running the country because we're not letting them move their

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Speaker 1: oil without a say show, do you think there's a

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Speaker 1: happy medium between isolationism and nation building, because I do,

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Speaker 1: and I think Trump's hitting it.

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Speaker 9: I think so, and you've seen him try to strike

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Speaker 9: that balance previously. I mean, we've had limited military engagements

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Speaker 9: in Iran, for example, when he went after some of

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Speaker 9: their nuclear capabilities. You remember back in the first term

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Speaker 9: when he dropped the MOAB. He's certainly not afraid to

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Speaker 9: use the big stick. And I think the real question

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Speaker 9: is what happens from here, right it's objectively also the

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Speaker 9: military stuff that DELSA Force did snatching Maduro from his

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Speaker 9: safe house in Caracas, so there's obviously pretty high support

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Speaker 9: for it now. But how this plays out in the

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Speaker 9: future and the level of American involvement and if it

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Speaker 9: becomes necessary to have military involvement in Venezuela, that will

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Speaker 9: determine ultimately how this fits into a Rubio and Trump's legacy.

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Speaker 1: Now, I have a proposition as we talk, rioters are

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Speaker 1: sailing the Federal building in Minneapolis, ice out, ice out

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Speaker 1: after the woman is killed. I will bet you right

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Speaker 1: now that ice in Minneapolis matter more in November elections

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Speaker 1: than does Maduro in Venezuela. You agree with me or

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Speaker 1: disagree with me.

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Speaker 13: I agree with you on that one, So no, I'm

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Speaker 13: not a good bet. I think it'll be much more determinative.

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Speaker 9: People rarely vote on foreign policy, especially not in midterm elections,

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Speaker 9: and what we're seeing in Minneapolis is really tragic. But

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Speaker 9: public opinion doesn't tend to be on Democrat side when

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Speaker 9: it comes to immigration and when it comes to their

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Speaker 9: rhetoric towards immigration officers, and so that sort of reaction,

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Speaker 9: it's not representative of what the median voter thinks.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think Jacob Fry and Tim Walls are

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Speaker 1: setting fire to their city, and I think they're setting

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Speaker 1: fire to their party by siding with people who a

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Speaker 1: and attempt to injure ICE agents and don't immediately come

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Speaker 1: in it. I hope it does. I hope that remains

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Speaker 1: figurative and not literal tonight. Sarah C. Bedford to The Examiner,

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Speaker 1: going to I'm Hugh Hewitts. So glad that former Senator

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Speaker 1: Jim Tallent of Missouri is here to talk with us

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Speaker 1: about Operation Absolutely Resolve Center Town. I've been focused a

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Speaker 1: lot today on the shooting in Minnesota, but I want

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Speaker 1: to veer back to the capture of Maduro and his

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Speaker 1: rendition to New York. Your assessment of the operation and

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Speaker 1: what it means when President Trump says we are running Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: we are in charge.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'll give you my assessment, but maybe maybe you'll

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Speaker 18: allow me to read three sentences from the National Security Strategy,

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Speaker 18: which I read last night on the pod. Okay, so

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Speaker 18: if you go to page yeah, if you go to

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Speaker 18: page five of the National Security Strategy, they lay out

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Speaker 18: the vital strategic goals of the United States, which you

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Speaker 18: know you kind of do win a strategy. Well, here's

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Speaker 18: the first one. These are described as the vital or

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Speaker 18: interests of the United States. We want to ensure that

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Speaker 18: the Western hemisphere remains reasonably stable and well governed enough

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Speaker 18: to permit and discourage mass migration to the United States.

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Speaker 18: We want a hemisphere where governments cooperate with US against

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Speaker 18: narco terrorists, cartels, and others national criminal organizations. We want

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Speaker 18: a hemisphere that remains free of hostile foreign incursion or

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Speaker 18: ownership of key assets. It was not a yes that

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Speaker 18: is defined. It's right on. You know, people ought to

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Speaker 18: read the national security strategy. That's the number one goal.

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Speaker 18: We are securing our strategic perimeter. Having secured our national border.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we should send that parent Should we

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Speaker 1: send that to Denmark and our NATO allies who've got

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Speaker 1: their shorts in quest over Donald Trump?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 18: Greenland? Well, the Greenland exercise or or the Greenland Impulse

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Speaker 18: is part of this. Yes, we are expelling foreign adversaries,

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Speaker 18: and as you know, Venezuela is the poster child both

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Speaker 18: for narco terrorism and also for incursion of foreign adversary.

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Speaker 18: Are you familiar with Margarita Island?

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Speaker 1: You no, one with a different one that belongs to Columbia,

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of islands off the shore

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Speaker 1: of both countries.

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Speaker 18: Right, and it's basically run by Hezballah. There's a twenty

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Speaker 18: year relationship between Venezuela and the Chavistas and Iran and

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Speaker 18: Iran's proxy groups. So they train there, they have business

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Speaker 18: facilities there, they wunder passports there, And when I think

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Speaker 18: of what's on the menu for the administration to continue

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Speaker 18: applying pressure, I'm wondering if Margarita Island might be on

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Speaker 18: that menu.

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Speaker 1: That's so.

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Speaker 18: When we talk about running Venezuela, what we're saying is

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Speaker 18: the elements of the regime that remain are going to

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Speaker 18: have to play ball with us in terms of our

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Speaker 18: national interests. If they do, we're going to accommodate them,

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Speaker 18: at least transitionally. Rubio has been very clear about this.

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Speaker 18: This is not building democracy in Venezuela. It is protecting

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Speaker 18: the strategic perimeter of the United States and more power.

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Speaker 1: To them now. Today two tankers were taken, one in

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean relatively close to Venezuela full of hot oil,

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Speaker 1: and the one that got away and got a Russian

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Speaker 1: sub in front of it and then reflagged themselves as

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Speaker 1: a Russian boat, which they weren't at a transparent pirate tactic,

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Speaker 1: and Russia warned us away, but we took it as well.

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Speaker 1: What is your assessment of those operations.

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Speaker 18: Well, as you know, there's shadow fleets that engage in

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Speaker 18: this flag hopping. In other words, they're constantly they're going

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Speaker 18: radio silent, they hide their GPS coordinates, they try to

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Speaker 18: change flags, and they carry illicit sanctioned cargo. They are

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Speaker 18: all subject to seizure, including this one. Now I'm wondering

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Speaker 18: what else besides oil is at stake here, because this

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Speaker 18: is pretty interesting that we would track it. I wonder

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Speaker 18: what kind of personnel or on there. I wonder what

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Speaker 18: we're going to find out in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 18: But the broader strategy here, you is to apply pressure

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Speaker 18: both to the Venezuelan government and for example, to Cuba

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Speaker 18: and to our other adversaries by cutting off a source

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Speaker 18: of revenue from them, which is what Venezuela and oil

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Speaker 18: has meant to them. And I think this is going

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Speaker 18: to continue. Yeah, I mean, sink the drug boats, seize

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Speaker 18: the tankers, arrest the president. But at the same time,

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Speaker 18: classic Trump's strategy offering negotiations with a deal on our

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Speaker 18: terms but a deal that ought to be acceptable to

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Speaker 18: regime elements that don't want to end up in jail

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Speaker 18: or dead.

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Speaker 1: Now we'll see what happened. I had in exchange with

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Speaker 1: the New York Times report on X Lulu Navarro who

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Speaker 1: had said, oh, journalists are being arrested, Chavista gangs are

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Speaker 1: roaming the street. The United States owns this, and I said, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't. We are not in charge of the regime.

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Speaker 1: We are running quarantine. And Marco Rubio's explained this, and

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Speaker 1: the President went at length to explain this on Air

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Speaker 1: Force One on Sunday night. Done it again since, and

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Speaker 1: we went back and forth. I have a column coming

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Speaker 1: out tomorrow five. We might be running the country via

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Speaker 1: indirect leverage, the way a bankruptcy court controls a company

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Speaker 1: in bankruptcy. Doesn't hire the secretarias or fire the salesman.

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Speaker 1: It approves the final liquidation or the reorganization plan. That's

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Speaker 1: what I understand is to be doing. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to have a viceroy there, like Ambassador Paul Bremer. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with me on this?

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Speaker 18: No, yes, I do, because the point here is to

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Speaker 18: protect in advance to clearly identified American interests. This is

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Speaker 18: basically defense of the homeland and eliminating risk in the

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Speaker 18: perimeter surrounding the homeland. And so now it is given

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Speaker 18: the Venezuelan people the best chance they have to regain

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Speaker 18: their freedom and rebuild their country that they've had in

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Speaker 18: walent close to twenty five years. And we will certainly

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Speaker 18: cooperate with that insofar as it's consistent with our vital

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Speaker 18: national objectives. Dwayne and I talked last night about the similarities,

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Speaker 18: and there are differences, but the similarities between how Trump

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Speaker 18: approaches foreign policy and how Reagan did It is at

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Speaker 18: heart a realist foreign policy done in the belief that

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Speaker 18: a strong, secure, and prosperous United States is of course

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Speaker 18: needed for the American people, but is also the best

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Speaker 18: hope for freedom and democracy in the world.

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Speaker 1: Center telling if i can get you to stay over

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Speaker 1: for one segment, I'm going to give you two minutes

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Speaker 1: to think about this. What's it mean for Cuba? I

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Speaker 1: think Raoul Castro is alive, but maybe not compassment this,

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Speaker 1: but there's a new dictator down there. It's an old

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Speaker 1: police state. They have been a thorn in our side

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Speaker 1: since nineteen fifty nine. It's a failed state, the poor

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Speaker 1: Kibbin people are impoverished. Uh, you're like Final Jeopardy. We're

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Speaker 1: going to play the dun dunt dunt dunt dun dun

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Speaker 1: And then I need an answer from you. And so

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Speaker 1: what's gonna what the fallout is for Cuba. On the

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Speaker 1: other side of this, don't go anywhere America, because Senator

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Speaker 1: Talent is going to predict the future of Cuba. Next

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Speaker 1: on The Hugewitt Show, Welcome Back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: I gave Jim Tallon, senior fellow at the regular inste

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Speaker 1: Center for Peace through Strength and former Senator from Missouri

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Speaker 1: two and a half minutes to figure out what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen to Cuba now because they don't have any

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Speaker 1: way to buy anything. All they can sell was a

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Speaker 1: security service which failed badly.

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Speaker 18: Right, Yeah, well we saw it that was worth and

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Speaker 18: what the Russian S three hundreds were worth. And I

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Speaker 18: bet the Chinese are wondering how they're going to get

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Speaker 18: their how they're going to get their loans paid back?

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Speaker 1: You bet?

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Speaker 18: Right now then as well is not looking like a

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Speaker 18: real good proposition. By the way, do I have to

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Speaker 18: phrase my answer in the form of a question.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's not that fine, it's just beginning. It's

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Speaker 1: only double jeopardy.

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Speaker 18: It's not that final. Okay. Well, mister Diaz Canal, I

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Speaker 18: imagine it's pretty worried now by a number of things.

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Speaker 18: And you mentioned the big one, which is they were

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Speaker 18: really heavily dependent on venezuel and revenue from Venezuela and oil.

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Speaker 18: I mean that was the deal. They sent in the

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Speaker 18: security forces, they got to help loot Venezuela and in

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Speaker 18: return they get a big cut of the what is it,

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Speaker 18: half a million barrels a day they're able to ship

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Speaker 18: down like eighty percent from what they used to be

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Speaker 18: able to do. And the other thing that mister Diaz

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Speaker 18: Canal's got to worry about is if there is a

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Speaker 18: regime our secretary of State would like to see changed

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Speaker 18: or overthrown, it's in Cuba, yep, for personal as well

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Speaker 18: as official reasons. So I don't imagine he's resting too

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Speaker 18: comfortably right now. But what I will say is, I

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Speaker 18: mean they're gonna do one out adversarial outposts I think

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Speaker 18: at a time right in Venezuela. If we can accomplish

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Speaker 18: what we want to accomplish, in Venezuela. That's going to

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Speaker 18: open up possibilities in a whole lot of other places,

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Speaker 18: to include Cuba, but also Iran.

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Speaker 1: That's falling apart in time. I haven't even brought it

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Speaker 1: up yet, but the Foundation for the Defensive Democracies is

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Speaker 1: running a real time update. Hundreds of demonstrators have been killed,

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Speaker 1: and there have been hundreds of demonstrations, many of them

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Speaker 1: violent because the country's out of money. And again it

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Speaker 1: always comes back to the Soviet Union falling apart in

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Speaker 1: front of our eyes. When a country runs out of money,

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Speaker 1: desperate people take out the government, no matter how many

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Speaker 1: Stossy agents or KGB agents or Cuban security agents or chavistas.

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Speaker 1: When they get desperate, they rise up.

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Speaker 18: You know, I watched Dan Seno or his Slatest podcast.

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Speaker 18: I know how much you like Dan, Yes, and he

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Speaker 18: and his guests were discussing and they used it. They

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Speaker 18: used a metaphor for these Islamic republic that I thought

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Speaker 18: was really good. And this time, when I use it,

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Speaker 18: I'm going to give them attributes. In the future, I

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Speaker 18: may not. But they said it's it's a zombie regime.

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Speaker 18: It's ideological, ideologically dead and it's financially dying, but it's

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Speaker 18: still capable of staggering around and killing people until somebody puts,

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Speaker 18: you know, an arrow through its head. And that's that's

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Speaker 18: really where I think Iran is now. I think the

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Speaker 18: fall of the regime is probably inevitable, but I still

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Speaker 18: am skeptical that it's imminent.

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Speaker 1: Well, because there's a lot of I mean, from your

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Speaker 1: lips of God's ears, because Mark Givovitch and a few

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Speaker 1: other Iran specialism I think it's closer than I thought

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Speaker 1: it was, so hopefully they're right and we're wrong. And

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Speaker 1: I still think it's going to be years before how

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Speaker 1: many I think Hamaine's got to die and we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Jim Talent can be followed on x at Jim Talent

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Speaker 1: you can follow me to tomorrow. Thank you, Arley, thank you, Adam,

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Speaker 1: thank you generation. Thank all of you for listening or watching.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow and the next you do at

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Speaker 1: show

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