1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Out of Zion podcast. I'm Shelley Niece 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: filling in for doctor Susan Michael. Today I have with 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: me Mark Dreystadt. He is the founder and president of 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Infinity Concepts Group. Infinity Concepts has been working with ICJUSA 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: many years, so we're excited to have you on this show. First, 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: can you just explain to our listeners it's not obvious 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: in the name, what does Infinity Concepts do and what 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: is the why behind it. 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 3: Let's take a break and hear a message from one 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: of our sponsors. Welcome to the Israel Answer Series, Connecting 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 3: Israel the Bible, and you join Susan Michael as she 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: explores timely issues and current events from a scriptural perspective 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: to equip the Christian world with a balance and biblical response. 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: Be shure to you subscribe for future episodes which will 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: ignite your faith and bring the Bible to life in 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: your everyday world. Now, let's join Susan with your Israel answers. 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 4: Years ago, we started Infinity Concepts as a brand communications agency. 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 4: I had been working in Christian television and as a 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 4: senior VP, I was responsible to work with all the 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 4: different agencies and figure out how to apply their recommendations 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 4: for our organization. And so when I left to start 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: Infinity Concepts, I had decided that we needed to put 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 4: together an organization that could do the same thing, that 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: could develop the brand in a good, strong way and 26 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 4: then apply it across multiple platforms. That was a revolutionary 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: idea in two thousand and two because everything was siloed, 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 4: and so we started with this revolutionary idea that we 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: can do multiple things as long as the brand is 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 4: expressed correctly. And so that's what we began to do. 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: For Christian ministries. We wanted them to excel at what 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: they did. We wanted them to express their calling and 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: their heart and mission as accurately as we can. And 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 4: we made decision early on what someone asked me, Are. 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: You going to sell? 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 4: Are you're going to serve? And it was a sobering 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 4: question because I really wanted to serve. And so we 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 4: made that commitment that we wanted to be partners with 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 4: our clients. When partners with our ministers, we don't want 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 4: to be vendors who want to come alongside and really 41 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 4: serve the Kingdom of God through serving our clients. 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: Well, one thing that we love about you, Mark is 43 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: that you have a heart for Israel that has just 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: really permeated your whole career. So can you just explain 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: where did that first start, that love for Israel, and 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: how has it grown through the years. 47 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety three, I had a daily talk show 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 4: on a Christian TV station, We've wornts, I worn you 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: many hats over the years, and I received an invitation 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 4: from the Israel Ministry Tourism to come to Israel. So 51 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: I explored the possibility, and long story short, they finally 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: agreed to let me bring a cameraman come myself, and 53 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: they gave me a driver and a guide and for 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 4: a week they said, go where you want to go, 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: shoot what you want to shoot. Just tell the truth. 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 4: And I did. 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: Showey. 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: I met wonderful people. I discovered things about my faith 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 4: I never understood. I began to put pieces together geographically 60 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: that I didn't understand before I visited Lambda. I'd saved 61 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: the Bible all my life, but I really fell in 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 4: love with the people and came to understand their heart 63 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: and why God has a heart for them as well. 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: And so my heart is and in fact, my friends 65 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: tell me. I have a Jewish art may not have 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: a Jewish lineage, but I have a Jewish arut. 67 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, see, you wrote an article that really just 68 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: set off a bomb in our community. It was called 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: why Israel Matters, and it was a wake up call 70 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: to Christian leaders. I probably had that article forwarded to 71 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: me from five different people, you know, the day it 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: came out. 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: So can you explain just what was the alarm and. 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: Your own spirit of why you wrote it and what 75 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: are you seeing in the church today of why they 76 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: need it this way up? 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: Okay? 78 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: And infinity concepts. We do regular research. We want to 79 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: effectively communicate to an ever changing generation. So we know 80 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 4: that in order to do that, we have to study, 81 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: we have to learn, we have to know what's evolving. 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: And so we do regular research reports and we do 83 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: these on various topics, from giving to church attendance to 84 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: Israel as one of those. And so we did a 85 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: research report and in that we asked questions that people 86 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 4: usually don't ask so we get fresh insights. And so 87 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 4: one of the things we asked about was how often 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: do pastors speak about Israel or the Jewish people from 89 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: the pulpit and We also asked, you know, about people's 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 4: commitment or awareness of Israel, how they felt about the 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 4: Jewish people, what they thought about them being the people 92 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: the chosen people of God. And we began in that 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: report to find some pretty startling information. I'll give you 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: a couple pieces. I have a formul it's five two 95 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: one two. Five out of ten believe that the Jewish 96 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 4: people are God's chosen people. Two out of ten believe 97 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 4: in replacement theology that the churches replaced the Jewish people, 98 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 4: one out of ten says they were never the chosen 99 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 4: people in first place, and the other two have no 100 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 4: idea and would don't know how to even begin to 101 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 4: think about it. 102 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: Wow. 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 4: So that obviously set off some concerns, and that means 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 4: fifty percent of the evangelicals in America do not believe 105 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 4: that the Jews are God's chosen people. 106 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: And these are pretty baseline questions. 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 4: Baseline questions. And so as we began to drill down 108 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 4: into this, we found out there was a correlation that 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: churches that taught about Israel and taught about the Jewish 110 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 4: people and our commitment to bless the land and the 111 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 4: people of Israel had a much higher commitment to that 112 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 4: and a much higher understanding of the Jews were the 113 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 4: God's chosen people, and that we need to stand with 114 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 4: Israel and pray for the peace of Jerusalem and many 115 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: things that we talk about. Those that were not hearing 116 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 4: that from the pulpit had a much lower level. The 117 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 4: second thing that made me very concerned is that when 118 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: we looked at it demographically and chok the same information 119 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 4: and split it by age, older folks were much more 120 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: committed to Israel and the younger folks were not. And 121 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 4: we put all of the pieces together, and what we 122 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: discovered is that the churches stopped talking about Israel as 123 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: being the land of Promise, They stopped talking about Christian's 124 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 4: responsibility for blessing the land and people of Israel. They 125 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: stopped talking about the Jews being God's chosen people. And 126 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: when you don't talk about it the pulpit, that people 127 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: don't learn about it, and so therefore there's a void 128 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: of knowledge and understanding. And so when I put the 129 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: data together with what we see today, it made sense 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: that the leaders, the men and women who have been 131 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: called by God to be teachers and pastors and leaders, 132 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: are dropping the ball. And I am a pastor. I'm ordained, 133 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: and I've been in that position, and I know that 134 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 4: that's a heavy responsibility. I feel that it's an ordination 135 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: of God, you know, And so I wanted to call 136 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: pastors back to that that we need to talk about 137 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: is we talk about the roots of our faith. We 138 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 4: need to talk about the source of the scriptures, and 139 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 4: that God's people has covenant with his people has not 140 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: been waived, he hasn't repented. He still honors that covenant today. 141 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: And so that's what drove the article that I wrote 142 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: that I hope is calling pastors to re examine how 143 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 4: they approach Israel and the Jewish people from the pulpit. 144 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 4: I know in my church, I have a pastor who 145 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 4: loves Israel, goes to Israel on tours, loves the Jewish people, 146 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: but never talks about it from the pulpit. I have 147 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: not yet figured out why, but it is going on. 148 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: I think you and I had a previous conversation. You 149 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 4: have had similar experiences. 150 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean we move frequently and so and always 151 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: I would never go to a church that the pastor 152 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: didn't have a heart and a love for Israel, right, 153 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: But it. 154 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: Is just so interesting. It's just this. It seems to 155 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: be a fear to offend. 156 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 4: It could be. 157 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 2: And so one thing that we're saying and that we 158 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 2: believe is like be courageous. 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: And nothing about Israel is offensive. If Israel's offensive, then 160 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: the Bible's offensive. 161 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: And we're not to be in the practice of like 162 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: being timid around anything about it a Bible. 163 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a lot of misinformation about Israel, and 164 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: I think that's a pastor's responsibility to call us to 165 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: truth and help the congregation and the individuals understand truth 166 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: about Israel and the Jewish people, because what I hear 167 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 4: on the news in many cases, or what I read 168 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: in publications does not align with my experience with the people, 169 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: or the land, or even the government of Israel. 170 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: So I mean, Mark, you are the solutions guy, You 171 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 2: who help Christian organizations think of solutions. So I mean, 172 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: what are kind of our marching orders going forward? Do 173 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: you see a way out of this quagmire? 174 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: Well, that's what the beginning of the article was starting 175 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: to talk about. Let's let's be bold, let's be courageous, 176 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 4: let's understand truth. Let's let's know what's real, what's true, 177 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: what's right, what's righteous, and separate that from the propaganda 178 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 4: and the lies, because there are more and more of those. 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 4: You know, It's it's one of those desaris in our 180 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: culture today where you know, if the lie is told 181 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 4: so often and so much, you begin to understand, I 182 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: don't know whether it's a liar it's truth. So you 183 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: don't know what truth is either. So I think we 184 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 4: need to be p of the truth, teachers of the truth, 185 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 4: livers of the truth. And when that comes to Israel, 186 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 4: that means we need to recognize that our faith came 187 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 4: from a group of prophets that God called that were Jews, 188 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 4: that Jesus was Jewish, and he celebrated his Judaism as 189 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: it was celebrated in that time. He had twelve disciples 190 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: that he sent around the world that were Jewish men 191 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: who were carrying the gospel. And so our faith today 192 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: and I'm not Jewish, I'm gentile, but I recognize that 193 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: I only have this faith because Jewish men and women 194 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: were faithful in days before we have the scriptures because 195 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: Jewish men and women were faithful, and so we have 196 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 4: to honor I believe we have to honor who they 197 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 4: are and what they have given us. And more than that, 198 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: we know that God honors them and loves them and 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: has made a commitment to them. And so our solution 200 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: is tell the truth, share the truth. Whether you're a pastor, 201 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: a Sunday school teacher, a small group leader, or just 202 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: a believer who is trying to walk out their faith, 203 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 4: we need to understand the truth, speak the truth boldly, fearlessly, 204 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: and stand with Israel in the ways that are aligned 205 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 4: with the truth. Does that mean that Israel's perfect? 206 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 6: No? 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: Does you know I heard someone say this just the 208 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: other day that I'm an American, I love my country. 209 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 4: I would I would stand, fight and die for my country. 210 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 4: Does that mean I agree with everything that the leadership does, 211 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 4: everything Congress does. Absolutely not. But I will not abandon 212 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: the country because my heart is with the country, and 213 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 4: that is true with Israel. That's the way we need 214 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: to stand with Israel as well. Everything may or not 215 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 4: be in agreement with our politics or our policies, but 216 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 4: God loves his people and he is committed to the 217 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: land and people of Israel, and we need to be 218 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 4: as well. 219 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Let's take a break and hear a message from 220 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 3: one of our spons welcome back to the Auto Zion 221 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: podcast with Susan Michael. 222 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: You know, we're living this post October seventh world and 223 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: the scripture that I would just hear over and over 224 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: as we're all just seeing this horrific footage and one 225 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: horrible story after another coming out of Israel. It's just 226 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: and then that people are celebrating this. You just woe 227 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: to those who call good evil and evil good, you know. 228 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: And so we are living in those times now where 229 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: the world has often just turned upside down on its head, 230 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: and so it's easy to despair. But what can you 231 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: you work with so many pro Israel Christian ministries, just 232 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: what are the ways that we're failing, you know, what 233 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: are the ways that we are not meeting these challenges? 234 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: And how how can we do better? 235 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: How can we communicate better and tell the story better? 236 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: You know. 237 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: It's when when October seventh happened, I met with my 238 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 4: staff on a zoom we're all over the country. I 239 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: met with the staff and I said, this is what's 240 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 4: going on, and I said, we all need to pray 241 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: with Israel, but recognize this right now the world is 242 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: standing with Israel. Within seven days, the world will turn 243 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 4: against Israel. And the only thing I was wrong in 244 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 4: that prophetic word was it only took twenty four hours. 245 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 4: It happened so quickly. And there is a deep bias 246 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 4: anti Israel, bias. We heard about it in some of 247 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 4: the things that we've been sharing here, how that so 248 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: many are standing and there's propaganda and it's a plan, 249 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: it's deceitful. And so I think as organizations, we need 250 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: to write about Israel. We need to visit Israel. No 251 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: way to stand like Israel, like stand with Israel, standing 252 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: in Israel. I used to say that when we work 253 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 4: with tourism, and so visiting Israel, being part of Israel, 254 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: understand it. Building relationships with Jewish people. Some of my 255 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: best friends are wonderful Jewish people that I got to 256 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: know since I fell in love with the land and 257 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: the people. And you know, I have a friend in 258 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 4: Los Angeles who who I meet with periodically, who is 259 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 4: afraid to walk from his home to the restaurant about 260 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: three or four blocks because of the threats that he 261 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: has received. And this is in a nice neighborhood. This 262 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: isn't a bad neighborhood. Because the anti Semitism is real, 263 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: it's true, but the depth of anger, I think is 264 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: something we have to take a stand against. And I 265 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: think what I've been hearing and that I've been learning 266 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 4: is it's not just against the Jewish people, it's against 267 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: Judeo Christian values, right, And I think that empowers us 268 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: all to be able to get involved. So an organization 269 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: or a news say well, I'm not involved with Israel. 270 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 4: I'm not involved with the pro Israel ministry, but we 271 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: all live because of it. Within the bounds of our 272 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 4: Judeo Christian values, the things that we learned, the values 273 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: that we cherish, and freedom speech, freedom of religion, the 274 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 4: ability to worship God and to love one another and 275 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 4: follow the Ten Commandments, those are all values that are 276 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: part of our tradition here in America that is being undermined. 277 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: And Israel is just the first casualty in a much 278 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: bigger war than is being waged. And so whoever we are, 279 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: whether an organization, whether an individual, I think we need 280 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 4: to begin to be bolder, take stands, be pro Israel, 281 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: and speak the truth in every opportunity we have. We 282 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: there may be folks that will say, well, if that's 283 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: what you believe, I don't want to be your friend. Anymore. 284 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: A lot of my friends have been unfriended and or 285 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: have unfriended me. But that's okay, because we have to 286 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 4: stand with truth and what's right, and we have to 287 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: stand with what God says. 288 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: And positives have come, you know, absolutely, since October seventh, 289 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: it's just been there's been so many people who have 290 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: found their boys to speak about for Israel, Like it 291 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: really did just take something so disastrous and so ugly 292 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: in a world that seemed to be cheerleading it for 293 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: them to find their own voice to speak out for 294 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: Israel and to educate themselves. 295 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: So that I find encouraging. 296 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: I find encouraging just the deepening of the Jewish Christian 297 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: relationship that has happened since then, that the friendship is 298 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: just more incredible than ever. So for our listeners, can 299 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: you tell them how to find infinity concepts, how to 300 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: appreciate what you do? 301 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 5: Sure? 302 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. One last comment though, I think, however, back 303 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 4: to my article, it goes back to the church leadership. 304 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: We are all coming together as a body of Christ 305 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: to learn, to study, and to grow, and so church 306 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: leadership needs to clearly communicate that. And you can learn 307 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: more about this particular study at Infinityconcepts dot com and 308 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: if you go to infinityasconcepts dot com, one of the 309 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: choices will be insights. If you click on insights, underneath 310 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: Insights will be research and it will be there's a 311 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 4: number of reports on Israel in that research. 312 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: All free. Thank you, I mean that's the key, all free. 313 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Out of Zion podcast. 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